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Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast.

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I am Corey J.

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Mahler. And I'm Wo.

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Today we are going to be talking about the concept of frame.

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It's a term that came from psychology and Corey's going to define

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that in a minute.

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But to begin I'd just like to give a a brief example

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to sort of set the frame for this discussion.

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So imagine that you are overlooking a large grassy field field.

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It's a it's a featureless field.

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There's no discernible uh objects there except for a bison in the

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center of the field.

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It's a you know big two thousand pound animal right in the

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middle. You can see it clearly.

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And about a hundred yards away to the west, you can see

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a man facing that bison.

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So there's a man, he's facing east towards the bison in the

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field. You can see all of this.

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Now picture in your mind a sort of a a penciled in

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diagram like you might find in a textbook where there's a plane,

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there's a rectangle about halfway between the man and the bison that's

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perpendicular to him.

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So there's a rectangle that's basically the man's field of view.

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So it's going to be pretty large.

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It's going to fill up you know everything that he can see.

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It's going to be a you know a good chunk of the

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size of the the field itself.

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And then picture you know four lines from the corner of each

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corner of the rectangle back to the man's head.

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So what that rectangle is showing is his field of view.

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It's what he can see in in his visual field.

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It's anything outside of it he can't see or at least can't

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see clearly.

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It might be in his peripheral vision, but what's inside the rectangle

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is what he's going to recognize and see.

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So as he as he's looking through that rectangle that's you know

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invisible to him, but visible to you, he sees the bison clearly.

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So his frame is that he can see the field, he can

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see the sky, and he can see the bison.

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You can see all those things plus the man.

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Now imagine that he rotates 90 degrees clockwise.

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So instead of being on the west, he's now to the north

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of the bison.

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But rather than continuing to face it, he continues facing east.

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And so that rectangle moves with him, that frame of reference is

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still facing in the same direction, it's still the dis same distance

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from him.

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But what is inside his frame of reference now?

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There's no bison.

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All he sees is the sky in the field.

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And from his point of view, from his frame, he's not in

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any danger.

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But you as sort of a you know, kind of a god

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mode observer, you're looking down and you can see that there's a

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two thousand pound mammal Camel, you know, 100 yards from him that

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could potentially charge.

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So

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frame is asking yourself, is there a bison there or not?

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From your frame, from your perspective, from your point of view, there

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is. There's a field, there's a man, and there's the animal.

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From his point of view, from his frame, there isn't.

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And it's because of what is in that rectangle.

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So that's a that's a limited portion of it.

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And that's just sort of setting the very basics for when we're

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talking about frame in terms of discourse, we're not talking about what

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you can see.

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We're talking about what you can say and about what you can

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think. So when a conversation is framed, the terms that are permissible,

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the ideas that are accepted, are part of that frame.

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They're the things that sort of define the scope of the discussion.

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It's the reason that virtually all of these episodes that we have

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done have specifically talked about the definitions of things.

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Whereas you've as you've said many times, you have some choice comments

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about the definitions, the terms at the beginning of a contract, and

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what sort of power that gives you.

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Yeah, essentially if if I'm drafting a contract, or even if you

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don't let me draft the contract, I don't need to draft it.

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Let someone else draft the contract.

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If I get to define the terms at the beginning of it,

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I don't care what the rest of the contract says.

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If you get to define the terms, you win, as long as

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you know what you're doing.

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And the r and the reason whether that we're talking about this

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we're we're gonna talk about things in terms of winning and free

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frame control, but w as Christians, we're not doing this advocating manipulation.

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some of the things that we say, if an evil man is

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doing it, and often it is evil men doing it, they are

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absolutely using this tool to manipulate, to control.

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Is as you said, you can you can have a perfectly good

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contract, and if you maliciously alter the the definitions, the terms, you

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can make it do something terrible, even if the drafter of the

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contract had no such intent.

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So

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we're not advocating using this for evil.

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We're advocating understanding and applying frame correctly for two very important reasons.

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One, so that you were not misled when you're in conversations with

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others, when you're having any sort of discussion, if someone is being

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sloppy with the frame or if they're shifting it, or if they're

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trying to rigorously control it in a way that precludes your points

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from even being acceptable, you need to know that that's going on

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so that you can combat that directly.

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And the other is that if you're sloppy, if you're committing logical

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errors If you're committing framing errors, you can un in an unintentionally,

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inadvertently mislead people by framing things poorly when you weren't trying to

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mislead, but you mill will mislead simply because you said things in

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such a way that you accidentally prevented the right conclusion from being

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reached. And so framing things properly, it's completely natural.

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We do it all the time without thinking about it.

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And in conversation, it's it it's a it's a fluid thing.

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Like it's not as rigorous as a legal contract.

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There's you talk about ideas, and if you realize that maybe you're

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you're not using the same definition of a word, you rewind and

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say, so are you meaning this when you say that?

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So So that you can have the same shared frame, the same

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shared perspective, so that you make sure you're actually understanding and discussing

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the same thing.

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I think errors happen a lot more often in these discussions, at

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least when we're talking about fellow Christians or just those who have

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not wicked intentions, not necessarily good intentions, but at least neutral.

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There are those, of course, as mentioned, who have wicked intentions who

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are acting out of malice, but I think it's most often just

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sloppiness. It's not thinking about things accurately and thoroughly.

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Yeah, reason I've I've mentioned before.

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Reason is a skill.

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It's a gift from God that is distributed unequally.

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It's also a skill.

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it's a tool that must be used and honed.

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And just because you may be born with the capacity for reason

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doesn't mean that just that you can just reason things out and

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you're done gonna do a good job.

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Particularly when you're dealing in an adversarial situation where someone else is

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framing things in such a way to mislead you, whether intentionally or

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not. And as you said, like when it's unintentional, that's even worse

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because there are lots of cases where pastors mean well, they believe

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that they're speaking truthfully, and they will frame things in a way

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that

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doesn't violate their conscience, but and it doesn't necessarily even sound wrong,

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but the way that the conversation is framed precludes you from actually

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getting to the truth of the matter.

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And so for us, this is about reaching the right conclusion.

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When you're having a debate or an argument with someone, if you're

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doing it properly, it should not be to win.

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It should not be simply to score the most points and to

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prevail. If you're having a good debate, like a proper, you know,

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moderated two sides with with opposing uh viewpoints, a really good debate

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would be one where one side made the point so clearly and

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concisely that the other side conceded not only that the first side

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had won, but that he had changed his mind, that he realized

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that his arguments were not as good as the arguments on the

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other side.

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So it's very important to me personally to always be right.

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And when most people hear that you're gonna think, well you think

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you're always right.

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No, I always want to be right.

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And very often that means I need to change my mind because

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the the givens that I brought into the conversation, maybe they aren't

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borne out.

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So framing things in a clear manner is about arriving at truthful

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conclusions. And if that means you have to change your mind at

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the end of it, thank God.

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You're right about more things than you were when you started.

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So to seek to be right is not simply about trying to

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win. It is about trying to come out the other side of

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a conversation closer to or with the truth and grasp than you

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began. And that's why this is so important, because if you fail

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to frame things well, you can very easily be misled and end

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up in the weeds I guess we can move on to the

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psychology of this.

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Now there are a lot of things that we could address when

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it comes to psychology.

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This is a deep field.

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But just for the basics, essentially what we want to go over

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is what is called framing effect and a few related matters.

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Framing effect is

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the most basic form of it.

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If you frame something with positive connotations versus negative connotations, people people

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will select the positive connotations significantly more frequently than the negative connotations,

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even if the two things that you are offering are in fact

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the same thing, just slightly different emphasis.

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So to make that more concrete, if you went to the doctor

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and you were told that you have some disease, some ailment, and

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you need to have a surgery.

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If you are told the surgery has a fifty percent chance of

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success versus there is a fifty percent chance the surgery will not

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be successful, you are more likely to opt to have the surgery

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in the first case, where the doctor tells you there's a 50%

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chance of success.

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Same exact outcome, because if there's a 50% chance of success, that

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means there's a 50% chance of failure.

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And vice versa for emphasizing the negative.

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But psychologically, human beings are wired to choose the positive.

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And there are a lot of reasons for this.

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Relatedly, you're more likely to choose the positive if it is a

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certain gain versus probabilistic.

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So if you tell someone there's X percentage chance of the good

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outcome versus there's an absolute chance of this good outcome, even if

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the absolute chance is smaller than the probabilistic one, people will choose

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the certain one.

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And to give a concrete example of how this sort of field

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is used in your everyday life, in order to manipulate you essentially.

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If you go to almost any store anywhere and look at the

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options of what you can buy, they'll be different levels, they want

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you to buy that middle one.

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And that's why there's a middle one.

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Because they know psychologically, if you are given three options, you usually

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will choose the middle option because you'll you'll think to yourself, well,

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the the top of the line option's too expensive, so maybe I

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won't get that one.

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But I am willing to spend a little more than the bottom

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option, so I'll pick the middle option.

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That's why there are three sizes of popcorn and three sizes of

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soda at the the movie theater and everything else.

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This is psychology, this is framing, because you're looking at it.

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Well, these are my sets of options.

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This is a totally artificial construct why you have these three options.

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But they know if they give you these options, you'll pick the

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one they want you to pick, and that's usually the one that

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has the highest margin for them.

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There's tons of literature on this you can easily find.

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Papers on it.

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I'll I'll link one in the show notes, just a brief one.

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From American Express, showing this is very well known thing.

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You see another similar thing when you go and get fuel.

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It's never two dollars and ten cents a gallon.

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It's a dollar ninety-nine.

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That's their goal.

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And that's why you also have at the end of that you'll

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notice and nine tenths.

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Because they have shown, they have proven psychologically that if it ends

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with a nine, for whatever reason, your brain doesn't roll over and

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go, there is no functional difference between a dollar ninety-nine and two

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dollars. You just look at that first significant digit, you look at

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that one, and so you're more likely to make the per purchase.

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And it's just again, this is all psychology.

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And to give one more example of how this works in the

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real world, we all know what spin is.

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Spin is just framing in the field of politics and public relations,

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so corporations do it too.

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But you'll have people, their whole job, the spokesperson, the entire job

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is just to spin things, to frame them in such a way

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that people look at them as as not being as bad as

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they are or as better than they are.

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And that's just psychology.

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It's just framing.

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It's making you think about something in a certain way.

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And so it's important to step back and actually look at what

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is being done and why they want you to think about something

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in a certain way and whether or not maybe you should do

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that or should not do that.

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So one of the examples that occurred to me earlier today is

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something that we've been talking about a lot lately uh r with

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regard to Christianity and Christian doctrine, Protestant doctrine, and particularly the Lutheran

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distinctive or the Lutheran focus on law and gospel.

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Um Um

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and the re so that law and gospel is a is a

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tool that can be brought to to any text or to any

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situation to distinguish the law is that which shows our sin.

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This is what what Lutherans are taught in in uh catechism class.

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The law shows our sin, the gospel shows our salvation.

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The SOS.

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That's the this basic shorthand you're given as a kid.

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And the the premise is that we know correctly that we cannot

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save ourselves, we cannot justify ourselves before God.

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And so it's crucial when we're looking at scripture that we not

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inadvertently trip over ourselves and try to interpret a passage in such

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a way that we think, oh, well, maybe this means I can

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save myself.

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And this was this was one of the principal battles that the

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Luther and the Reformers had against Rome in the 16th century was

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that the Roman Catholic Church had lost any semblance of the proper

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scriptural understanding of justification.

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And so the writings of the early reformers, particularly the Lutherans, were

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very heavily focused on justification, on law and gospel, on making sure

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that no man, no one who reads the book of Concord, which

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was what was produced by 1580 by the Lutheran Reformers, if you

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read that and you believe it, and you should, because it's all

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straight from scripture.

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It's basically just a big Bible study.

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There's no possible way to read the book of Concord and come

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out the other side thinking, yeah, maybe I can save myself, maybe

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I can do a little bit to earn my salvation.

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That is framing the question in in a good way.

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It's taking to understand that the law is God's eternal will, and

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it's it's an eternal will that we cannot fulfill perfectly.

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Jesus was born a man in order to fulfill it perfectly in

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our stead because none of us could, because our will and our

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nature is turned ever against God until God comes and gives us

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faith and gives us a renewed spirit, where we are able to

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then turn towards Him by faith.

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And this is where the law gospel distinction I won't say it

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falls apart, but it becomes misused because law versus gospel, which for

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one thing, shouldn't shouldn't said in the first case.

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They're not an opposition.

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That's really a that's the kind of the rebirth of the the

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ancient heresy uh Of Minicianism, where you have the demiurge of the

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Old Testament, and then you have Jesus born in the New Testament

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as the new, more loving God.

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And that was a it was a heresy that was dispensed with.

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But the premise still lingers where a lot of people think, well,

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yeah, that old testament, there's a lot of law in there, there's

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a lot of rules, and thank goodness for the New Testament where

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we're set free from all those rules.

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Uh yeah, unless you read the red letters.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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if you actually pay attention to what Jesus said, there are still

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rules, but the and that's the important distinction.

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There are still rules because God's law, God's will is eternal.

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What the ru the distinction of law and gospel is that the

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rules don't save you.

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We don't obey God so that we can be saved.

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We obey God because we are saved.

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So when you read, for example, the Epistle of James, which I

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hope people you know will pick up and read after this episode,

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just as a good example, it's just a few pages long and

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you know it's probably about eight, ten minutes to read the whole

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thing. James is an epistle written to a church, written to believers,

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and there's a lot of law in it.

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He says, here's what you guys need to be doing.

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Now, is he saying that so that they can save themselves?

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No. They're already saved.

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They are post-justification, if you can say it that way.

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they are they they are Christians living the Christian life.

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And part of the Christian life is asking, what am I supposed

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to do?

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How am I supposed to live?

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So So Lutherans have long been allergic to James because there's a

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lot of law in it and there's a lot of you need

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to do this.

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But as Corey, as you just mentioned, what Jesus says is a

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lot of law and a lot of you need to do this.

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But the reason that frame is applicable to this is that it's

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not about saving yourself.

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It's not about you need to obey the law so that you

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can be saved.

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It is about

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God has saved you, God is your creator, you are a creature.

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What is our response in the Christian life?

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And we know that faith is given as a gift and that

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the good works that we do were prepared for us by God

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to do them.

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So we're not seeking credit for the good things that we do

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that God gave us.

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We simply want to know what does God want.

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And And the framing error that is very incredibly common among Lutherans

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is to take this law gospel dichotomy and try to apply it

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everywhere, to try to make every single question a question of justification.

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Because in the sixteenth century, that's a lot of what was going

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on, both with Rome and then with some of the other post-Reformation

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sects. You had controversies about, well, can we save ourselves?

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How much do we do?

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And so yes, that is a very important distinction, but it's not

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the only one in the Christian life.

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And the fact that Lutherans are given this very powerful and important

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and true tool doesn't mean that it can be misused.

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The frame of law and gospel is a valuable tool in the

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context of dealing with soteriological questions, of dealing with questions of salvation.

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It is totally inappropriate, it is completely misused when it is applied

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to questions of the Christian life.

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it's typical when you're talking to a Lutheran to say, hey, you

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should obey God, and they say, Well, what, you think I can

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save myself?

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And like it's just a knee-jerk reaction to apply the law gospel

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dichotomy and think that the person the they're listening to is trying

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to say he can save himself, which is nuts.

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Like no no Lutheran would ever think that or say it and

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yet the the framing of law and gospel is so powerful in

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the line of in the mind of the well-catechized Lutheran that they

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end up kind of retarded because they'll just apply it all over

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the place where it's totally r irrelevant.

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And we're talking about frame just in general today with that specific

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example because it's that's a good demonstration of how something true can

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suddenly become false.

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Law gospel is true in the context of soteriology.

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It is false in terms of the Christian life.

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It has no place there.

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But a Christian, a Lutheran in particular, in good conscience, will bring

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the law gospel distinction to everything because it's a it's his hammer.

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He knows it's gonna work and he knows it's important.

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He doesn't remember why.

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And so he's just swinging that hammer at everything he sees.

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And it does tremendous harm because you end up with people arguing

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against God and saying that either God doesn't want us to do

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anything, which it is a clear denial of scripture, or

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just falsely accusing the people they're talking to of trying to save

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themselves when nothing can be further further from the truth.

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So framing is is situational.

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It's contextual.

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It's not simply it's not a tool that can just be used

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like a hammer.

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Well it is framing is understanding that it's not just a hammer,

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that it can also be a nail pillar.

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You have you have different aspects of it, depending on where it's

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being used.

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And there's some cases where you don't want a hammer at all.

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If you're working on glass, you probably don't want a hammer anywhere

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near it.

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And that's perfectly fine.

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Understanding the frame is understanding that the tool is suitable to the

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job and that you don't take the tool to every job if

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it's not applicable.

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So when it comes to framing, people are actually relatively familiar with

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framing, even if they don't recognize the term, even if they don't

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recognize the actual underlying psychology.

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Because there are so many examples that are related to framing in

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our everyday experience and in our academic experience for those who've had

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any of that.

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What it is sometimes called as gradualism is one way that this

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plays out.

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And that will be that

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Via framing, you have the acceptable range of beliefs or views,

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obviously the center being the consensus, as it were, policy, to use

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the term typically used with the Overton window and we'll get more

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into that.

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And then you have less and less acceptance as you go out

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until you get to the unthinkable.

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Now if you are a member of a group that wants the

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unthinkable

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on either end of this spectrum to be policy, you do not

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start at least if you're competent you do not start, by advocating

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for the unthinkable.

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Because if you do that, people will double down against you and

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you will never get anywhere.

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Instead, you change things slightly, a little bit at a time.

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One of the

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examples that's often used to illustrate this is the boiling frog.

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If you stick a frog in a pot of cold water and

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slowly heat it up, he adjusts to the increases in temperature over

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time. If you throw him into boiling water he will try to

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jump out.

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Another example that some may know, I think this one is probably

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a little for the older generations more so than younger, the camel's

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nose If you're in a tent, and a camel sticks his nose

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under the edge of your tent, if you ignore that, you will

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soon have an entire camel in your tent.

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You may not have cared about the camel's nose, you probably care

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about having the entire camel in your tent.

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And so it's it's habituation, it's gradualism.

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You're changing things slowly over time.

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You're changing that frame, you're moving that window in order to get

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people to accept accept something they would never have accepted.

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So sometimes called the slippery slope, shifting baseline, there were terms for

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this in

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communist countries in Eastern Europe, how they enacted policies to slowly stamp

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out opposition and change society.

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And it's a playbook.

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It's something Something It is absolutely it yeah, it works a deliberate

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can yeah, it worked.

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It works on all of us because everybody wants to be reasonable.

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Everyone instinctively wants to be in the center.

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we're social creatures.

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We don't like the idea of being on the outside because it's

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not so much the case today, but in in the history of

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human civilization, if you're cast out, you may well die.

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If you are outside of the social group, it's not simply social

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death. It may be physical death because there may be nowhere else

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for you to go.

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And the the idea of the rugged individualist dies quickly when you're

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off alone in the woods.

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There are very, very few men who can actually pull that off.

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And so we have to do exile used to mean something.

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Yeah. It was it was usually a death sentence.

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And so we we have an instinctive both social and even deeper

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than that need to belong, to to be in a community where

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our views and our values are shared and where we are not

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going to be seen as the outlier.

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Because when you're the outlier, well you may be getting closer and

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closer to the edge where maybe maybe social and and physical death

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awaits you if you keep going.

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And so there are there are laws and there are social mores

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and there are these different frames that are used in a human

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society to keep things within the acceptable bounds.

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And those things will vary by culture, they'll vary by nation, but

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they all behave the same way, which is to sort of keep

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people kind of corralled in the middle.

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And in a good society, that's a beneficial thing.

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If we had a Christian society, we would be corralled in the

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center of obeying God, of doing what God wants.

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Instead, we have a society where doing what God wants will get

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you fired.

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Do saying what God says will cost you your bank account.

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It will cost you your livelihood.

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It will may cost you your house.

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It could cost you your life.

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And the control of discourse goes directly to where those lines are

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drawn. As you as you said, they move.

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they move in history.

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And I think it's important particularly for Christians to recognize that this

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moving

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we as Christians we want we typically if we're doing a good

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job if we're trying to be Christian, we try to frame things

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in terms of our faith and to make sure that our sure

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that our moral pronouncements match with scripture.

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But as you can see as these things are are reframed in

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a society, very often

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things that used to be morally permissible are today morally impermissible.

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For example, slavery used to be morally permissible.

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For thousands of years it was considered morally permissible for some people

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in some certain certain situations situations to be kept as slaves, to

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be literally property of others.

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That was moral.

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That was considered to be in accord with scripture.

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And churches upheld this for thousands of years.

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Then in the eighteen hundreds, that went away.

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Now it's one thing for the law to change.

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Laws can change.

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Countries can do what they want.

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There are reasons to change laws.

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That's fine.

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What is not fine is for a person to then

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make the retroactive claim that morality has changed, or worse, to say

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the morality hasn't changed and all those in the faith before us

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were immoral when they believed they were no moral.

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Because if if all the people who said one thing did so

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with a clean conscience and now we come along in current day

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and we have the diametrically opposed belief about something that we hold

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in good conscience.

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One of those is damnable.

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One of those views nailed Jesus Christ to the cross to pay

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for because it was a sin.

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And And as Christians, we must face head on that it has

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to be one of them and we must recognize the implications of

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what it means if it's either.

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Either we are sinning today by holding certain beliefs where we say

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that morality has changed, or we must condemn all of our fathers

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in the faith as unrepentant sinners because they held a belief that

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we condemn.

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So see the the overton window, the the window of what is

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acceptable discourse gets shifted first socially and then legally and then morally,

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and then retroactively we try to say, well, yeah, morality mor the

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morality says that this says that this is the way it has

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to be and we try to find justifications for it in scripture

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and that is a terrible place to be as a Christian because

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suddenly you've turned scripture into a wax nose where you can make

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it fit any face, you can make it look like anything you

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want. You just decide what you want and then you go find

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the verses that support it.

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That is not what the Christian should be doing, and yet it's

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what we find very commonly today.

00:29:43.520 --> 00:29:47.440
Because the frame is being controlled by those outside the church and

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:48.560
then we adopt it.

00:29:48.560 --> 00:29:51.840
We adopt their frame, we import it, we say, Oh yeah, this

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.880
this moral value I hold that to because I'm a moral person

00:29:55.120 --> 00:29:57.680
and then we find it in a place where it was never

00:29:57.680 --> 00:29:58.720
found before.

00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.040
Maybe all the church missed it for thousands of years.

00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:03.360
They missed this slavery was a sin.

00:30:03.360 --> 00:30:05.520
If that's the case, then say so outright.

00:30:05.520 --> 00:30:08.240
Say that all those people are burning in hell because they live

00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.320
lives of unrepentant sin.

00:30:10.320 --> 00:30:14.880
Or deal with the fact that you are importing an amoral frame

00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:20.240
into a moral framework and that simply can't work.

00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.680
if God is changing, he's not God.

00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.000
And that's the that's the bottom line when it comes to talking

00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:27.840
about morality shifting.

00:30:27.840 --> 00:30:31.840
And a lot of these frame discussions will ultimately boil down to

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.520
for the Christian, did God change?

00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:37.520
And we have to answer that question.

00:30:37.520 --> 00:30:38.560
The answer is clearly no.

00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:41.920
Scripture is abundantly clear that God does not change.

00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:46.080
And so if we're changing our morality, where are we getting it

00:30:46.080 --> 00:30:49.520
from? What is the genealogy of the ideas that we are spouting

00:30:49.600 --> 00:30:52.880
that we are claiming come from a Christian frame because that's not

00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:54.320
where they originated.

00:30:54.800 --> 00:30:59.200
And just as humans, we are very good at either justifying what

00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.240
we have done or excusing it after the fact.

00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:08.000
And we need look no further than Genesis, the beginning, to see

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.640
human beings doing this, to see this in action.

00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.080
What did Adam do when he was confronted by God?

00:31:14.080 --> 00:31:18.720
Well no God, this woman that you gave me, he's blaming Eve

00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:19.760
and God.

00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:23.280
He's already attempting to reframe things and say, Well, no, it wasn't

00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:24.400
me. I didn't do this.

00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:25.600
I didn't sin.

00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:27.680
It was the woman that you gave me.

00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.600
And so ultimately, God, you are responsible for what you did.

00:31:33.600 --> 00:31:38.320
And that is the human tendency to try and justify what we

00:31:38.320 --> 00:31:42.240
are doing instead of looking at it objectively and realizing, no, no,

00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.600
actually, I did sin.

00:31:43.600 --> 00:31:44.720
I am wrong.

00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:49.360
I know I need to amend my beliefs and my actions instead

00:31:49.360 --> 00:31:53.120
of attempting to justify them.

00:31:53.120 --> 00:31:57.360
And to look at how quickly this Overton window can shift, because

00:31:57.360 --> 00:32:02.960
it can happen pretty quickly, even within the lifetime of an individual.

00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:08.160
In two thousand eight, California had Proposition eight.

00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.080
Now if you want to look for it you have to use

00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:12.640
the year because the numbers do get recycled.

00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:18.000
Proposition eight in two thousand eight in California was a proposition to

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.640
define marriages between a man and a woman.

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.960
And it passed.

00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.040
That's California in two thousand eight.

00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:32.240
Now, homosexual marriage, so called, is the law of the land for

00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.000
the entire nation.

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.000
That's how quickly things can change.

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.760
If you have people who are working hard to shift that window,

00:32:41.760 --> 00:32:46.560
which is usually the media and the academy and many others, abetted

00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.720
by Christians who do not think.

00:32:49.040 --> 00:32:51.760
Yeah, you can you can go back and look at what Obama

00:32:51.760 --> 00:32:54.240
said when he was running for president and what he said as

00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.520
a senator in 2006 as it relates to sodomite so called marriage.

00:32:59.600 --> 00:33:02.400
He would be unpersoned today for saying those things.

00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.680
And he was on the left.

00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:07.120
He was further to the left than most of the Democrats when

00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:08.560
he was saying those things.

00:33:08.560 --> 00:33:11.200
And now fifteen years later, not only is it the law of

00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:15.600
the land, but in the majority of our own churches, it is

00:33:15.600 --> 00:33:20.800
seen as if not ideal, at least licit, it's seen as something

00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.560
well love is love.

00:33:22.560 --> 00:33:25.600
And if these people love each other, who are we to judge?

00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:28.480
And even if they say, well, sure, maybe it's not a marriage

00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.000
in God's eyes, yes, it it's still definitely a marriage for civil

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.520
purposes. And that's a good thing.

00:33:33.520 --> 00:33:36.240
I I don't I don't want to interfere with their relationships.

00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.320
Who am I to judge that?

00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:40.800
That's in inside the church that this has happened.

00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:43.440
Yeah, they're at the acceptable or the sensible level.

00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:48.000
The May as well list what the the stages are.

00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:53.760
Within the Overton window, how the range of discourse is parsed, is

00:33:53.760 --> 00:33:57.440
essentially you have it starts out as unthinkable.

00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.240
When it's no longer unthinkable, it's radical.

00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.720
When it's no longer radical, it's acceptable.

00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.520
This is where many Christians are today with the idea of homosexual

00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.560
marriage. When it's no longer just acceptable, well then it's sensible, and

00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:14.000
then it becomes popular, and then it becomes policy, and this obviously

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.960
can go one way or the other, left or right.

00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.680
And so many Christians today, with regard to these things that have

00:34:19.680 --> 00:34:23.600
changed in the culture are at the I I don't personally want

00:34:23.600 --> 00:34:25.120
it, but it's acceptable.

00:34:25.120 --> 00:34:26.240
Or it's sensible.

00:34:26.240 --> 00:34:29.040
It makes sense for policy for the government to do this.

00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:31.280
And that's where they are.

00:34:31.600 --> 00:34:36.400
And within the in within the Christian context, that policy demarcation at

00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.680
the far end for Christians becomes morality.

00:34:39.680 --> 00:34:44.480
So today there are still Christians in the world, in the workplace,

00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:49.040
you cannot condemn sodomite marriage, or you will be destroyed in most

00:34:49.040 --> 00:34:52.400
cases. But in the church, there's still some people who speak out

00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:52.960
against it.

00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.920
A lot are okay with it, but there are still there's still

00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.200
opposition to it.

00:34:57.200 --> 00:35:00.720
But But if you looked at a lot of the articles talking

00:35:00.720 --> 00:35:04.320
about sodomai marriage and the rulings and the laws as they were

00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:08.960
passing, they would all hearken back to the sixties, to Loving v.

00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:12.080
Virginia, where interracial marriage

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.800
was codified as being legal for the first time.

00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:21.680
There had been a ruling in 1883 after the Fourteenth Amendment on

00:35:21.680 --> 00:35:28.480
equal uh protection had been passed, where laws against interracial marriage, against

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.480
miscegenation, were upheld by the Supreme Court.

00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.280
And then between eighteen eighty three and nineteen sixty seven, the culture

00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:44.480
changed, the overturn window shifted, and finally the law was struck down.

00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:46.960
Now the law didn't change, the constitution didn't change.

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:47.600
What changed?

00:35:47.600 --> 00:35:48.560
The people's change.

00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:50.240
People's hearts changed.

00:35:50.240 --> 00:35:54.640
And so that's a case where I'm sure there are people listening

00:35:54.720 --> 00:35:57.760
to hear a man who claims to be a Christian to even

00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.120
use the word miscegenation may make your skin crawl.

00:36:01.120 --> 00:36:03.760
It may sound like a truly evil thing to say.

00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:08.160
And that's a perfect illustration of the Overton window shifting, because today

00:36:08.240 --> 00:36:10.960
to say miscegenation is unthinkable.

00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.360
It's outside of the Overton window.

00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.920
It may be something that is said, but it is never said

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:17.280
by polite people.

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.040
It's never said by Christians.

00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:22.640
It is an evil thing that is only said outside of the

00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:26.080
fringes, out in the wilderness, in the cursed earth where there is

00:36:26.080 --> 00:36:27.600
only damnation and suffering.

00:36:27.600 --> 00:36:29.680
That's where those ideas are.

00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:34.880
Where if you look back in nineteen sixty-six and even after Loving

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:40.560
v. Virginia, the Supreme Court had to change it because the legislatures

00:36:40.560 --> 00:36:44.080
wouldn't change it because most people were still opposed to it.

00:36:44.080 --> 00:36:48.320
So the majority not only felt that it was a moral issue

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.680
going in the opposite direction, but they were fine with it.

00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:56.080
And yet in just a couple generations, the Overton window, the frame

00:36:56.080 --> 00:36:59.440
of what is acceptable discourse has shifted.

00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:04.800
Now, the claim made today is that morality changed, I guess.

00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.760
I mean, God doesn't change, and God's a source of morality, but

00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:12.880
somehow what was immoral in nineteen fifty is today moral to the

00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:17.520
point that is necessary to destroy someone who would even question whether

00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:18.960
that was a good thing.

00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:22.480
And so those who tie sodomite marriage back to the

00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:26.880
miscegenation ruling are exactly right.

00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.680
It's a part of a continuum that they see clearly.

00:37:29.680 --> 00:37:33.040
It's a continuum that they have been moving, and now they're it's

00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:34.240
being shifted further.

00:37:34.240 --> 00:37:39.520
They're seeking to allow polyamory, they're seeking to allow children to have

00:37:39.520 --> 00:37:43.200
sex with adults, which was an inevitable result.

00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:44.080
And when

00:37:45.040 --> 00:37:50.400
when someone talks about the slippery slope, on one hand, there's a

00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:55.200
possibility for exaggeration, there's a possibility for extrapolation that's not justified.

00:37:55.200 --> 00:37:58.560
On the other hand, as we have seen repeatedly over the last

00:37:58.560 --> 00:38:02.240
couple of generations, it usually gets borne out.

00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:05.760
Where the thing that was unthinkable and insane, that you would have

00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.800
pedophiles in public discourse today it's it was it was just outed

00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:11.920
in the last week.

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:17.680
the man uh twitter joel roth roth who was in charge of

00:38:17.680 --> 00:38:23.520
censoring individuals like corey and myself he's an open homosexual he's an

00:38:23.520 --> 00:38:27.840
open sodomite he's an open pedophile now he hasn't been caught diddling

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.840
children, but his PhD thesis was on how do we get kids

00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:35.280
on Grinder, which is a sodomite hookup app, and that was what

00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:40.480
he pursued at Twitter to increase the engagement of children with

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:45.520
homosexuals who sought to have sex with them.

00:38:45.520 --> 00:38:46.960
That's pedophilia.

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:52.320
That's happening at the upper echelons of our society today.

00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.200
He was a rich man.

00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:54.240
He was, I think he was a VP.

00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:56.320
He was worth millions and millions of dollars.

00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.000
He's not an outcast.

00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.120
We are outcasts for saying that's a bad thing, and yet he

00:39:01.120 --> 00:39:05.120
is at the heights of modern accomplishment as a very well respected

00:39:05.120 --> 00:39:08.080
person. he's writing now for the New York Times and others.

00:39:08.080 --> 00:39:12.240
He's right in the center of the Overton window advocating homosexuals having

00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:14.480
access to minors for sexual purposes.

00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.160
That's how quickly it changes.

00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:18.000
And they're not gonna stop there.

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:24.080
It never stops because the shifting of the Overton window.

00:39:24.080 --> 00:39:28.240
We're told today in a in a beautiful example of framing that

00:39:28.240 --> 00:39:32.560
this is progress, that it's progressive, that a society will naturally progress

00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.960
from more restrictive to less restrictive.

00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.600
And so whenever someone calls these things progress, they're framing.

00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.920
they're controlling the frame of your mind and your ability to think

00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.320
about these things by saying the fact that now men and women

00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.280
of different races are free to marry is a good thing.

00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:54.240
That's progress.

00:39:54.240 --> 00:39:57.200
The fact that men are now able to marry men is a

00:39:57.200 --> 00:39:58.800
good thing, that's progress.

00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.080
The fact that soon men will be allowed to marry children is

00:40:02.080 --> 00:40:04.560
a good thing, that's progress.

00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:08.560
That's the shifting of the Overton window always inexorably in the same

00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:12.560
direction. You notice that none of this progress is ever in terms

00:40:12.560 --> 00:40:14.720
of us living more godly lives.

00:40:14.720 --> 00:40:19.120
And so that when men begin to advocate things like Christian nationalism

00:40:19.120 --> 00:40:23.440
as a reaction and a response, well, that's outside the Overton window.

00:40:23.680 --> 00:40:28.720
That that's an that's an evil that's unspeakable and must be destroyed.

00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:32.400
As long as you can keep moving that center, that juicy center

00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.120
of what's permissible for debate, even if there's strenuous debate against it,

00:40:37.120 --> 00:40:42.320
if you can combat it, you ultimately will win if you're using

00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.280
the the shifting of frame for evil purposes.

00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.480
And so this is a weapon that has been used against us.

00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.000
And because people want to be reasonable and want to be centrist,

00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.240
they don't want to be dis disliked.

00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:56.160
They don't want to be castigated.

00:40:56.160 --> 00:40:58.640
They don't want to be called extremist.

00:40:58.640 --> 00:41:01.040
You just sort of get out of the way, you keep your

00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:03.920
mouth shut, you don't want to be judgmental, you don't want to

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:07.600
be unloving, and they keep chipping away.

00:41:07.600 --> 00:41:10.960
And they can do it because we seed the frame.

00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.120
We seed the frame to people who are using it as a

00:41:13.200 --> 00:41:16.640
it as a weapon to destroy Christendom.

00:41:16.640 --> 00:41:19.040
And that's the reason that we're focusing on this.

00:41:19.040 --> 00:41:20.640
It's not about manipulation.

00:41:20.640 --> 00:41:24.960
It's about having a bulwark of defense against the most evil things

00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.720
that are happening in our world today.

00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:32.000
And this is not exactly a new issue in human affairs.

00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.560
We can go all the way back to Ovid.

00:41:34.560 --> 00:41:41.280
Finkipi is obstra etrespike finem resist the beginnings and consider the end.

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:45.840
This has been a problem in human society from the beginning.

00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:52.560
If you look at any of the ancient empires, great civilizations, they

00:41:52.560 --> 00:41:54.880
didn't collapse overnight.

00:41:54.880 --> 00:42:02.080
They had a slow slow, often orchestrated, societal and particularly

00:42:02.080 --> 00:42:06.320
moral collapse that eventually led to civilizational collapse.

00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.760
We are very far along in the moral collapse.

00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.560
And it is orchestrated.

00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:15.600
This has an animating intelligence behind it.

00:42:15.600 --> 00:42:17.920
Now there are those who will, of course, say that, well, now

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.600
you're just a conspiracy theorist and human beings couldn't possibly organize these

00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:25.120
sorts of things over multiple generations and centuries, and I you're absolutely

00:42:25.120 --> 00:42:27.280
correct, on the latter count.

00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:32.080
Human beings cannot very well organize these things over long periods of

00:42:32.080 --> 00:42:36.960
time and with millions of people involved.

00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.040
But Satan can.

00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:43.520
He doesn't sleep, he has plenty of time on his hands, and

00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:44.240
he doesn't die.

00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.760
So there is an animating intelligence behind this, and as was said,

00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.560
the goal is to destroy Christendom.

00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:55.840
And if you just take a little piece of territory at a

00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.240
time, well Christians won't notice.

00:42:58.720 --> 00:42:59.520
It weird.

00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:05.120
the media all seem to be praising homosexuality and these homosexual clubs

00:43:05.120 --> 00:43:08.720
and all these things, but that's just that's just leftists being weird.

00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:10.160
No, it's not.

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.400
They were constructing a narrative.

00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.320
They were building the future they wanted to see.

00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:20.640
And they've moved on already, from pedophilia, they are still working on

00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:23.360
getting that one legalized.

00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:24.880
But they've moved on to bestiality

00:43:26.080 --> 00:43:29.760
and sex bots and all manner of other things.

00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:33.440
Because there is no bottom when it comes to evil.

00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.520
There is no ground, there is no floor.

00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:38.000
Things can always get worse.

00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.000
And that's where we find ourselves today.

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.880
And you can look back and see them doing this.

00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.080
For instance, I want to just want to mention the pedophilia issue.

00:43:48.080 --> 00:43:50.320
Solon ran some articles.

00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.200
It's been more than a decade ago now, maybe even a bit

00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:54.400
more than that.

00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.760
But they ran up the flag to see what people would do.

00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.600
It's also deliberately shocking because if it shocks you the first time

00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.640
and it shocks you the second time, it shocks you a little

00:44:04.640 --> 00:44:05.760
less the third time.

00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:06.960
And so that was their goal.

00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.040
But they ran up that flag, they wanted to see what would

00:44:09.040 --> 00:44:11.600
happen. And they're still working toward it.

00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:16.080
They always telegraph what they're going to do, if you pay attention.

00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:22.320
There's a another good example of reframing that is dominating a lot

00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.280
of the political discourse for the last decades, really, and that's the

00:44:27.600 --> 00:44:30.240
term immigration.

00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:36.320
There's There's a moral aspect to immigration today where

00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:45.120
people, Christians in particular, who have adopted the frame of the the

00:44:45.120 --> 00:44:49.760
left will take what was once a stranger, what was once an

00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:54.000
alien, which w what was once a person sneaking across the border

00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.400
in the middle of the night, illegally for the purpose of coming

00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:03.280
into our country and taking our money on welfare and stealing our

00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:08.240
jobs by stealing social security numbers and identities so that they could

00:45:08.240 --> 00:45:10.320
get away with it.

00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.320
That's a series of criminality by a criminal who's illegally in a

00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:17.920
place where they're not welcome, where they do not belong.

00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.440
And the reframe is to say, well, that's an immigrant.

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.680
And immigrant is a really powerful word because the root of it

00:45:25.680 --> 00:45:27.040
is migrate.

00:45:27.040 --> 00:45:32.160
And even if people don't think explicitly in these terms, we sort

00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:36.240
of know instinctively when you hear emigrant, you hear migrate and you

00:45:36.240 --> 00:45:41.280
think, well, you know, large animals migrate, like bear and moose may

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.400
migrate, elk migrate, birds migrate.

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.320
Well, if that's happening in nature, that's a perfectly natural thing to

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.960
happen. Therefore it must be perfectly natural for people to migrate.

00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.680
And of course we know in the past that there have been

00:45:55.680 --> 00:45:58.640
migrations of people following herds typically.

00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:02.800
Yeah it's That's w when the American Indians would migrate, it wasn't

00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:06.160
because they were looking for welfare in another state, it's because they

00:46:06.160 --> 00:46:07.840
were following the bison herd.

00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:10.880
Bison would migrate, they would move with them because that was their

00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:15.680
source of food and fuel and clothing.

00:46:15.680 --> 00:46:21.760
So you have a category of people who are engaging in criminal

00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.560
activity. They're rightfully called alien.

00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.400
Alien is the it's the legal term for them.

00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:33.200
It is the normal English term for them, but that word has

00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:37.840
not only fallen out of disfavor, but it's actively attacked.

00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.800
To say that someone is an alien, well, you know, now we

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.240
have you know UFO stuff in in in pop culture.

00:46:44.240 --> 00:46:48.240
So to say a person is an alien, you're accused of dehumanizing

00:46:48.240 --> 00:46:51.760
them. When that's not the case, an alien is a stranger.

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:52.160
An alien

00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:54.880
is alienated.

00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.320
They are in one place where they do not belong, separated from

00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.400
the place where they do belong.

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.240
But when you reframe and you call them an immigrant, well suddenly

00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:05.680
that's a natural thing.

00:47:05.680 --> 00:47:09.040
Immigrating. Well I mean that's we're we're a nation of im immigrants,

00:47:09.040 --> 00:47:11.520
right? We're all we were all immigrants at one point.

00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:13.280
Well my family wasn't.

00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.120
My family was here over four hundred years ago.

00:47:15.120 --> 00:47:18.400
They built the place that others immigrated to to.

00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:18.720
So

00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.640
that reframe uh lets you get away from the question of are

00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.560
these people breaking the law?

00:47:26.560 --> 00:47:29.520
Are these people coming with hostile intent?

00:47:29.520 --> 00:47:32.960
Regardless of whether they're breaking the law or coming with hostile intent,

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.160
do they have any business being here in the first place?

00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:40.320
And when you reframe and say, oh well they're immigrants, the natural

00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.520
inclination in the mind of the hearer is to say, well, of

00:47:43.520 --> 00:47:45.360
course, everyone's welcome.

00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.680
America is is not a nation.

00:47:47.680 --> 00:47:51.120
It has no there's no posterity here, as we talked about in

00:47:51.120 --> 00:47:53.280
in the episode on Christian nationalism.

00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:54.720
It's a shopping mall.

00:47:54.720 --> 00:47:57.280
All you have to do is sign the the the guest book

00:47:57.600 --> 00:48:00.560
uh that says you you take the oath of citizenship and ta

00:48:00.720 --> 00:48:02.080
da, you're an American.

00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:04.160
That's how we all became American, right?

00:48:04.160 --> 00:48:07.920
No. That's not remotely what happened, but it's what is thought in

00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:12.400
the modern mind today because of the reframe.

00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:12.720
And

00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:16.240
Christians will go even a step further.

00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:21.440
They will to they will take this leftist framing of the illegal

00:48:22.080 --> 00:48:26.000
alien cast them as an immigrant, and what does the Christian want

00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.640
to do wants to morally justify it.

00:48:28.640 --> 00:48:32.320
So even though the genealogy of of the idea of these people

00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:38.240
being immigrants comes from hostile foreign powers seeking to destabilize our country,

00:48:38.240 --> 00:48:43.360
the the naive or the malicious Christian will go to scripture and

00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:47.680
find passages about sojourners and say, well gosh, I mean, these immigrants,

00:48:47.680 --> 00:48:50.000
these modern immigrants, that's just sojourning.

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:51.520
That's straight from scripture.

00:48:51.520 --> 00:48:54.000
And sojourners are protected by God.

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.520
It's a it's a blessed thing, right?

00:48:55.520 --> 00:48:58.480
I mean it's in the Bible as a good thing, so therefore

00:48:58.640 --> 00:49:02.480
we as Christians cannot oppose it or we stand condemned.

00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:06.560
So they will shift the overturn window even further from alien used

00:49:06.560 --> 00:49:10.800
to be normal, now it's bad, immigration and immigrant are good, but

00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.600
sojourner is best when whenever you're criticized by a Christian

00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.120
because who can argue with the Bible?

00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:21.520
Well, it's funny when you look at the word that's you the

00:49:21.520 --> 00:49:27.040
the word in Hebrew that is sometimes translated sojourner in most of

00:49:27.040 --> 00:49:27.840
the translations.

00:49:28.640 --> 00:49:30.400
It also means alien.

00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:31.920
It means foreigner.

00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.600
It means people who again they're alienated.

00:49:35.600 --> 00:49:37.760
They are not where they belong.

00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:45.600
And the passages where God exhorts Israel to protect the sojourner,

00:49:45.600 --> 00:49:48.160
it would be as though if I found

00:49:50.080 --> 00:49:55.680
Mexicans who had snuck across the border in my backyard.

00:49:55.680 --> 00:50:00.880
The prohibitions that God gives to protect sojourners would exhort me not

00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.920
to go beat them and steal their stuff just because they don't

00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:04.640
belong here.

00:50:05.200 --> 00:50:06.720
That hasn't changed.

00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:08.560
That should not be in the heart of a Christian.

00:50:08.560 --> 00:50:12.480
If you find someone who doesn't belong where they are, you shouldn't

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:16.400
set upon them because they're an outlaw and seek to harm them.

00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.760
That doesn't mean that you should not seek to right the wrong

00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.640
that they have done by being where they are in a place

00:50:22.640 --> 00:50:24.480
that they shouldn't be.

00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.080
And so it's funny what the the passages on sojourners also say

00:50:30.080 --> 00:50:34.160
things like if a sojourner blasphemes, you are to stone him to

00:50:34.160 --> 00:50:38.400
death. Now, do these do these guys who to who exhort us

00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.760
to to love and to cherish the sojourner on our land want

00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.840
to listen to that part of the Bible?

00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:48.880
Because if they're advocating that we execute blasphemers, I'm all in.

00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.280
You send all the sojourners if you want.

00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.200
If we can execute blasphemers on our lands, that is what Christians,

00:50:55.200 --> 00:50:56.880
Christian nations should be doing.

00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:58.640
Now, again, I'm not advocating for an individual

00:50:59.680 --> 00:51:05.520
to harm anyone, but the state should properly execute blasphemers.

00:51:05.520 --> 00:51:09.680
And as as Lutherans, we we totally ignore this because again we

00:51:09.680 --> 00:51:12.480
don't we don't want to believe our own confessions or the Bible.

00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.360
We just want to believe the parts that will advocate advocate our

00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:16.720
political positions.

00:51:16.720 --> 00:51:22.320
The confessions directly talk about blasphemers being executed by a godly prince,

00:51:22.240 --> 00:51:26.080
and it is commended, and it is said that is necessary.

00:51:26.560 --> 00:51:30.320
Yeah, that is in a number of places in the confessions.

00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.280
Anywhere you see, depending on which translation you have, you may see

00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.760
hangman or you may see Master Hans.

00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.520
And that's just the German euphemism for the hangman.

00:51:39.520 --> 00:51:42.480
And even in the fourth commandment about obeying your parents that is

00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.120
mentioned. If you will not obey God, if you not obey your

00:51:45.120 --> 00:51:47.520
parents, then obey the hangman.

00:51:47.520 --> 00:51:50.800
This is a very serious matter, and realistically most of the

00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:55.920
so called immigrants that we have in this country would be subject

00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.160
to execution as blasphemers.

00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:00.400
Very few of them are Christian.

00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.520
There are some, certainly there are some.

00:52:03.520 --> 00:52:06.720
But we have a lot of Muslims and others coming across the

00:52:06.720 --> 00:52:10.880
border who are very much not Christian and are very much blasphemers.

00:52:12.080 --> 00:52:14.720
But just to go back briefly to the issue of if you

00:52:14.720 --> 00:52:14.880
find

00:52:16.240 --> 00:52:20.640
foreigners in your lands, the treatment they deserve, the treatment they want

00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:25.520
is going to depend on whether they are in fact sojourners, if

00:52:25.520 --> 00:52:28.800
they are passing through for some reason, then you have to figure

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.800
out why they're passing through.

00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:31.120
But

00:52:32.560 --> 00:52:36.400
in our case today, many of them are just outright invaders.

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.880
They are here to plunder.

00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.720
And that's war.

00:52:40.720 --> 00:52:42.240
That's not a sojourner.

00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:45.360
So they would deserve very different treatment from a sojourner.

00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.920
They are not subject to the biblical injunctions with regard to sojourners.

00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.800
They would be re They would be subject to the biblical injunctions

00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.920
with regard to to enemies.

00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:59.840
Yep. And you know the etymology of Sojourner, but most people probably

00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.400
won. And this is where I want to get back to what

00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:07.600
a powerful reframing it is to to reframe the alien to the

00:53:07.600 --> 00:53:11.360
immigrant and then the immigrant to the sojourner to bind the conscience

00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:12.640
of the Christian.

00:53:12.640 --> 00:53:16.320
To sojourn, the the definition when it came into the English language

00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:20.240
was to stay temporarily, to reside for a time, to visit.

00:53:20.240 --> 00:53:25.920
And it came from Latin, from the word subduranare, where the the

00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.920
root there is diurnal.

00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:28.640
You might know that.

00:53:28.640 --> 00:53:30.480
It has to do with a day.

00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:35.440
Sojourn is an entirely temporary thing, and in fact in scripture it

00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:36.960
was a legal category.

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:40.400
the notion of someone sneaking into your lands and then just doing

00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:42.640
whatever and being welcomed was alien.

00:53:42.640 --> 00:53:46.160
If someone snuck into your lands, they would be properly executed.

00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:49.600
If they were a sojourner, they had a legal right, effectively the

00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:54.080
the ancient version of a green card, saying that they were permitted

00:53:54.080 --> 00:53:56.800
in that land, while they were there, they were subject to that

00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.440
land's laws, and that they had to leave.

00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.320
It was a temporary status.

00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:07.520
So note the note the powerful reframing that these so-called Christians are

00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:11.760
doing, where they reframe the immigrant as a sojourner.

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.800
They're trying to bind consciences by saying, well, this is a biblical

00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:20.640
category, ignoring the fact that the biblical category was implicitly and necessarily

00:54:20.640 --> 00:54:25.600
temporary. If these were actually immigrants, if they were migrating, there's no

00:54:25.600 --> 00:54:26.000
such thing.

00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.480
There's no one migrating into North America today.

00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:29.920
That's not a thing.

00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:34.480
But even if they were migrating, they would continue to move.

00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.160
As you said, Corey, that's not their goal.

00:54:36.160 --> 00:54:39.200
Their goal is to come here and to stay and to have

00:54:39.200 --> 00:54:44.320
anchor babies and to get jobs and to get homes, displacing our

00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:48.000
own brothers, according to the flesh, who can no longer afford homes,

00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:53.520
because people who've been subsidized are receiving them, and then to ta-da,

00:54:53.520 --> 00:54:56.880
they've become American in a couple generations, and then no one can

00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.240
argue with that.

00:54:58.240 --> 00:55:00.160
That's the power of reframing.

00:55:00.160 --> 00:55:04.240
You can take something that was once once not only unthinkable but

00:55:04.240 --> 00:55:08.320
illegal and subject to death, and turned it into a morally protected

00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:13.600
category that a Christian is told he is obligated to defend or

00:55:13.600 --> 00:55:15.360
he'll go to hell.

00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.800
So that reframe, that is a that's a an illicit reframe.

00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:22.720
That is something that's evil, is done with the intent of harming

00:55:22.720 --> 00:55:25.280
us as a nation, as a people.

00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.280
But it's a it's a beautiful example, I think, of the power

00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.320
of doing it.

00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.280
If you take someone who's an alien, well, aliens like you know,

00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:34.400
they should go away.

00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:35.520
Immigrant, well, I don't know.

00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:38.080
I mean, I weren't my weren't my ancestors immigrants.

00:55:38.080 --> 00:55:39.840
I'm not sure what to do about that.

00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.440
And then they get upgraded a sojourner, ignoring the fact that sojourners

00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:45.600
had to leave.

00:55:45.600 --> 00:55:48.960
Well, if it's a sojourner, you know, I I gotta give 'em

00:55:49.040 --> 00:55:50.160
my cloak, right?

00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:52.800
I mean Jesus says that you know the God said that they

00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.360
should be you should love them as you love yourself.

00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.160
Now that meant that you shouldn't starve them, you shouldn't beat them,

00:55:58.160 --> 00:56:00.080
you shouldn't take advantage of them.

00:56:00.080 --> 00:56:02.880
It didn't mean that they got to live on your couch.

00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:07.120
and that's what these guys who will call these people sojourners or

00:56:07.120 --> 00:56:08.960
even immigrants are trying to do.

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.960
There's trying to say that, well sure, maybe I couldn't force someone

00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.760
to live on your couch, but I can sort of force someone

00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.080
to live in your country because we got a lot of room.

00:56:18.080 --> 00:56:19.920
That's basically their argument.

00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.120
That is an overthrow of the law.

00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:25.120
It is an overthrow of

00:56:26.240 --> 00:56:30.560
of what is the right of every nation to protect its borders,

00:56:30.560 --> 00:56:34.160
to protect its own people against foreign invaders.

00:56:34.160 --> 00:56:38.960
And And invader doesn't necessarily imply intent.

00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.400
It doesn't need intent.

00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:44.320
If they're there and they don't belong, they're invading.

00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:48.560
They're doing harm by virtue of being in a place.

00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:52.640
And yet what we're saying here is outside the Overton window now.

00:56:52.640 --> 00:56:56.240
This like the things that we're saying are categorized as evil and

00:56:56.240 --> 00:57:00.400
unthinkable. Whereas calling their so them sojourners and immigrants, even though neither

00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:05.600
word applies, that'll that is the only accepted form of discourse.

00:57:05.600 --> 00:57:07.440
That is the power of frame.

00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:11.680
That is the power of reframing the discussion in your own terms

00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.120
of say, you know, the contract, the Constitution can say whatever you

00:57:15.120 --> 00:57:15.360
want.

00:57:20.720 --> 00:57:25.040
In some ways I actually prefer the left on these issues, not

00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.320
in terms of what they believe, but in terms of how they

00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.920
behave. And the reason I prefer them is because they're just more

00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:39.200
honest. If a leftist is arguing against slavery, for instance,

00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:44.000
an issue that does come up, he will simply flatly say that

00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:48.240
all of our ancestors, who practiced slavery or at least approved of

00:57:48.240 --> 00:57:51.120
slavery, did not condemn slavery, were evil men.

00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.760
And some of them will even say evil men who are now

00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.120
burning in hell, which coming from a leftist is rich, but that's

00:57:57.040 --> 00:57:58.480
a separate matter.

00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:04.160
I prefer that to what we get from some supposed Christians who

00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:09.680
will not argue, honestly, will not say that what these men did

00:58:09.680 --> 00:58:13.520
was evil from the perspective, the wrong perspective, but the perspective of

00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:15.600
the person advancing the point.

00:58:15.600 --> 00:58:20.240
He'll say, well they were mistaken, they didn't understand, they this long

00:58:20.240 --> 00:58:24.960
list of excuses, which is ridiculous because our ancestors, by and large,

00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.320
were better educated, more Christian men.

00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.400
They knew better than modern Christians.

00:58:31.520 --> 00:58:34.560
And yet Christians today will try to condemn these men, but they

00:58:34.560 --> 00:58:36.960
won't do it honestly, so I prefer the leftist who will just

00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.600
honestly come out and tell me that he wants to kill me.

00:58:39.600 --> 00:58:43.120
The honesty is a little refreshing sometimes.

00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.560
Yeah, and and they're not lying in the name of God, which

00:58:46.560 --> 00:58:48.800
is the biggest problem we have within the church.

00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:49.920
Where these people are not doing it.

00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.240
They're not trying to bind consciences.

00:58:52.240 --> 00:58:56.240
Yes. Which is deadly, particularly to the Christian, because again, if you

00:58:56.240 --> 00:59:01.360
don't if the Christian doesn't understand how a subject is being reframed,

00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:06.080
if they don't understand how the discourse has been altered in its

00:59:06.080 --> 00:59:11.120
terms to leave them with no out, well they there you do

00:59:11.120 --> 00:59:14.240
find that your conscience is bound if you don't really think about

00:59:14.240 --> 00:59:17.040
it and if you if you just sort of trust what your

00:59:17.200 --> 00:59:21.440
betters, what your pastors and others tell you, you have no out.

00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.640
And so the reason that we advocate understanding frame

00:59:25.520 --> 00:59:26.160
is that

00:59:27.200 --> 00:59:30.320
as we talked about last week, God commands us to be as

00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.600
wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.

00:59:33.600 --> 00:59:38.080
In terms of the illegal alien on your in the land that

00:59:38.080 --> 00:59:42.240
your ancestors owned, you should be as innocent as doves in terms

00:59:42.240 --> 00:59:45.040
of not going out and beating them and stealing from them.

00:59:45.040 --> 00:59:48.080
And you should be as wise as serpents in terms of understanding

00:59:48.080 --> 00:59:51.520
that they are aliens who do not belong there and must be

00:59:51.520 --> 00:59:55.360
physically removed, and that both of those are godly things.

00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:57.840
Not to hurt them, not to beat them, and not to hate

00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:01.200
them. And that's the thing, that it's not hate to say that

01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:04.720
you showed up unwelcome in you're living on my couch now, you

01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:05.520
need to leave.

01:00:05.520 --> 01:00:08.000
It's not hate for me to tell you to get out.

01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:14.080
it's my right as as a Christian to say it's time for

01:00:14.080 --> 01:00:14.880
you to go.

01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.600
Even if you were welcome for a short period of time, even

01:00:17.600 --> 01:00:20.720
if you were welcome to sojourn on my couch, if I invited

01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:22.880
a friend over and he spent the night, that's great.

01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.720
If he spends a year, we're gonna have a different conversation.

01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:29.760
And it's not that my morals have changed, it's that the conduct

01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:33.040
of the other person has has altered the equation.

01:00:33.040 --> 01:00:37.360
And the Christian who is wise as a serpent is free and

01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:41.120
is obligated to understand these things and then to act in a

01:00:41.120 --> 01:00:44.720
Christian way, and that is not to be bound in your conscience

01:00:44.720 --> 01:00:49.280
by men playing rhetorical tricks on you that will get you bound

01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.000
up in in knots so that you'd you don't know what to

01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.640
do, but you've you probably just gotta go along with it because

01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.120
what they said sounded pretty Jesus y and you don't want to

01:00:57.120 --> 01:00:57.520
go to hell.

01:00:57.520 --> 01:01:00.320
You don't want to be meaningful.

01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:02.800
it comes to the use and the abuse of so many of

01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.880
these terms, The left obviously don't care.

01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.080
They've gone all in on the redefining terms in order to shift

01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:10.320
the window, as we have been discussing.

01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.800
And that is one of their tactics, of course, is just redefining

01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:17.920
terms. If you redefine the terms of what is unthinkable

01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:24.160
into something that is well not acceptable yet, but maybe not totally

01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:28.160
unthinkable, you've moved the Overton window without actually having to do anything

01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:30.240
other than change the term.

01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:31.920
Which can be very effective.

01:01:32.240 --> 01:01:36.000
And it is important for Christians to notice when that is being

01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.560
done. Someone who is playing fast and loose with terms is probably

01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:41.600
trying to deceive you.

01:01:41.600 --> 01:01:43.040
He could just be stupid.

01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:44.480
That does happen.

01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:44.960
But he probably

01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:47.680
is trying to deceive you.

01:01:47.680 --> 01:01:49.520
He probably is acting out of malice.

01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:53.120
So Christians have to be, again, wise as serpents.

01:01:53.120 --> 01:01:57.440
An example of this that is happening, and this is something that

01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:00.480
would actually probably if I this is something if I said while

01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.120
I was living in Germany I could potentially be deported from Germany

01:02:03.120 --> 01:02:04.080
for saying it.

01:02:04.080 --> 01:02:08.560
There is a term in German for someone who has moved to

01:02:08.560 --> 01:02:11.120
Germany and been given citizenship

01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:13.680
but isn't German.

01:02:13.680 --> 01:02:16.640
It's papier Deutsch, a paper German.

01:02:16.640 --> 01:02:18.880
And you could use the same thing in English, you call paper

01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:22.960
Americans. Someone who has a piece of paper saying I'm an American,

01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.200
but that piece of paper doesn't really make you American.

01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:26.720
That's not what it means to be American.

01:02:26.720 --> 01:02:30.000
It means something more as we've discussed in other episodes.

01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.560
But that term is something that you aren't allowed to use in

01:02:34.560 --> 01:02:36.720
Germany because it is considered hate speech.

01:02:36.720 --> 01:02:40.400
And if you engage in hate speech as someone who is sojourning

01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:44.960
in Germany, someone who is not a legal citizen, you can be

01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.800
kicked out of the country, you can have the the your your

01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:48.720
paperwork revoked.

01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:51.920
But But what I want the point I want to make here

01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:55.840
is they're trying to redefine that term.

01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.520
They are taking it from the traditional sense of someone who is

01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:06.320
German only because of the piece of paper to mean German officialese,

01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:11.920
the legalistic style of some German documents.

01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:15.440
They're doing exactly what happened in 1984.

01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:20.800
They're trying to change the terms, the definitions of the terms, so

01:03:21.120 --> 01:03:25.280
that the crime think is impossible.

01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.360
Just remove the definition of the word.

01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.000
And it's you can see this happening in real time.

01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:33.120
There are people who know exactly what this word means, what it's

01:03:33.120 --> 01:03:36.480
supposed to mean, but now it's starting to pop up with the

01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.720
other definition in dictionaries.

01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:41.360
And so that is one of the ways you can move this

01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.680
window, you can reframe things.

01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:45.920
You don't have to use new terms, you don't have to use

01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.640
new arguments, just redefine things.

01:03:48.640 --> 01:03:52.640
And you can move we we see that today.

01:03:52.640 --> 01:03:54.640
Homosexual marriage.

01:03:54.640 --> 01:03:58.320
They redefined what marriage means.

01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:02.880
Marriage means a man and a woman.

01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:06.640
Now it doesn't, because now legally it means a man and a

01:04:06.640 --> 01:04:08.560
woman, or a man and a man, or a woman and a

01:04:08.560 --> 01:04:11.440
woman, and soon who knows what else will be added to that

01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:15.520
definition. Five men, one woman, five men and a donkey they'll change

01:04:15.520 --> 01:04:22.160
it, they'll keep changing the term and make the unthinkable acceptable and

01:04:22.160 --> 01:04:24.400
then the acceptable into policy.

01:04:25.200 --> 01:04:28.640
You mentioned a minute ago that there's uh sometimes when people are

01:04:28.640 --> 01:04:32.960
doing this, and that's a good example, of duplicity, of utter dishonesty.

01:04:33.200 --> 01:04:36.880
I want to read a passage here, and this is the worst

01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:38.800
case for someone

01:04:39.680 --> 01:04:46.080
deliberately reframing an argument and using whatever rhetorical trick they can to

01:04:46.080 --> 01:04:50.480
deceive you where you're interacting with them, you are you know hopefully

01:04:50.640 --> 01:04:54.560
a Christian, you're trying to be honest, you're trying to pursue truth,

01:04:54.560 --> 01:04:58.560
the person that you're talking with, see if any of these descriptions

01:04:58.560 --> 01:05:02.240
sound familiar to anyone that you've ever you've ever interacted with where

01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:06.320
you're trying to argue in good faith and they were trying to

01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:12.480
shuck and drive and to land blows and to to stab and

01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.840
to faint and to win a fight, not to Not to seek

01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.320
truth, but simply to win the argument.

01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.800
Listen to this and see if it rings true for your own

01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:23.280
personal experience.

01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.640
The more I debated with them, the more familiar I became with

01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:28.480
their argumentative tactics.

01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:32.320
At the outset, they counted upon the stupidity of their opponents, but

01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:35.360
when they got so entangled that they could not find the way

01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.880
out, they played the trick of acting as innocent simpletons.

01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.480
Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted

01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.760
as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away

01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.280
to another field of discussion.

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:51.360
They would lay down truisms and platitudes, and if you accepted these,

01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.160
then they would be applied to other problems and matters of an

01:05:54.160 --> 01:05:57.840
essentially different nature from the original theme.

01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.200
If you face them with this point, they would escape again, and

01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.080
you could not bring them to make any precise statement.

01:06:04.080 --> 01:06:07.200
Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on any of these

01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:12.000
apostles, one's hand grasps only jelly and slime, which slipped through the

01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:16.480
fingers and combined again into a solid mass moments afterwards.

01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.920
If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument on

01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.440
account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at

01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.480
last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:27.680
on the following day.

01:06:27.680 --> 01:06:31.120
They would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before,

01:06:31.120 --> 01:06:35.120
and would start once again by repleting the former absurdities as if

01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:36.640
nothing had happened.

01:06:36.640 --> 01:06:41.040
Should you become indignant and remind him of yesterday's defeat, he pretended

01:06:41.040 --> 01:06:45.120
astonishment, and could not remember saying anything, except that on the previous

01:06:45.120 --> 01:06:48.080
day he had proved that his statements were correct.

01:06:48.080 --> 01:06:49.840
Sometimes I was dubfounded.

01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:53.120
I do not know what amazed me more, the abundance of their

01:06:53.120 --> 01:06:57.440
verbiage or the artful way in which they dressed up their falsehoods.

01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:01.120
Now, I've argued with people like that in the past and I

01:07:01.120 --> 01:07:02.240
didn't know what was going on.

01:07:02.240 --> 01:07:05.680
It was very frustrating because again, I was arguing in good faith.

01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:07.840
I wanted to pursue the truth.

01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:10.480
Even if the truth was that I was wrong and I needed

01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.800
to be clarified by by the other person making a different point.

01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:18.080
What I got instead was insanity.

01:07:18.080 --> 01:07:20.800
And it it for a while it drove me insane.

01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:25.040
I I couldn't understand the mindset of the person I was talking

01:07:25.040 --> 01:07:29.520
to because it was it was an alien form of thought.

01:07:29.520 --> 01:07:33.200
And reading that quote w was really revelatory because it it w

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.640
in the context of framing, it was like, yes, well that's exactly

01:07:36.640 --> 01:07:39.600
what happens in so many of these discussions.

01:07:39.600 --> 01:07:42.800
And the person who was talking in that in that passage was

01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:49.120
talking about one group, but it's a form of discourse, of dialogue

01:07:49.200 --> 01:07:53.200
that has kind of become normal today, where again, people want to

01:07:53.200 --> 01:07:56.560
win, they don't want to pursue truth.

01:07:56.560 --> 01:08:00.400
And that's never what any Christian person should pursue.

01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:01.760
You should want to be right.

01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:04.400
And if that means you have to change your mind, then change

01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:05.360
your mind.

01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.320
If you're wrong, you need to repent, you need to get on

01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:09.760
the right side of things.

01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:11.840
But just because someone is

01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.160
seems to be making an convincing argument, take a look at their

01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:19.600
givens. Take a look at whether they've reframed in such a way

01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:22.960
that you have no choice but to agree with them because they've

01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:24.160
hemmed you in.

01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:28.720
if you get hemmed in by someone who's being duplicitous and deceptive,

01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:33.280
you will end up confessing falsely to something that is evil, and

01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:37.120
you'll do it with a clean conscious, if if not maybe a

01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:38.960
troubled one, but you'll do it willingly

01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:43.360
because you felt like you had no choice because of the conversation

01:08:43.360 --> 01:08:44.800
that led to that point.

01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:48.960
So the the convincing arguments that are that you accept

01:08:50.480 --> 01:08:52.560
it's not enough for them to be convincing.

01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:54.400
They have to be valid.

01:08:54.400 --> 01:08:58.880
They have to be based on actual reason and not on emotional

01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:02.240
appeals or on the twisting of language so that you have no

01:09:02.240 --> 01:09:05.680
choice but to agree with something that if you If you had

01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.000
had it presented to you in a different way, as in the

01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:10.800
case of, you know, do you want the small, medium, or large,

01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:12.960
if there'd only been the small or a large, you would have

01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:14.160
chosen differently.

01:09:14.160 --> 01:09:17.280
But because you was presented to you in a certain way, in

01:09:17.280 --> 01:09:19.200
your mind's eye, you were you're kind of hemmed in.

01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:21.440
There's only one obvious choice.

01:09:21.440 --> 01:09:26.000
Don't let that happen when you're talking to someone because it opens

01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.200
you up to manipulation, to abuse, to being deceived.

01:09:29.200 --> 01:09:32.800
And if you can be deceived, you can be damned.

01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:34.320
Satan wants to trick you.

01:09:34.320 --> 01:09:37.120
And as we talked about last week, any trick will do.

01:09:37.120 --> 01:09:40.640
Big one, small one, like as long as you start buying into

01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:45.920
lies, which includes reframing falsely, you will you will eventually slide far

01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:49.200
enough down the slope that you can't even see that you are

01:09:49.440 --> 01:09:52.880
sitting side by side with Satan and with with his friends and

01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:55.840
doing things that you never would have done if you had not

01:09:55.840 --> 01:10:00.080
been tricked those years before by that one simple real little reframe

01:10:00.080 --> 01:10:03.040
of a word that you didn't really think about it and so

01:10:03.040 --> 01:10:07.520
you bought it and everything that flows from that naturally yes it's

01:10:07.440 --> 01:10:10.400
a slippery slope, but slopes are real.

01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.920
If you've ever been on a on a hill that was icy,

01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.640
slippery slope is it it's inexorable.

01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.440
Once you lose your grip, you're t you're going down the hill

01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:22.400
and you're not gonna stop till you hit something at the bottom.

01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:26.720
And we see that with so many things that have happened in

01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:34.400
the relatively recent past, homosexual marriage is a great example.

01:10:34.400 --> 01:10:40.720
Because you the initial requests were not demands really, but they were

01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:45.920
not for equal so-called recognition under the law.

01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:51.360
The initial demands were that those in a homosexual relationship should have

01:10:51.360 --> 01:10:55.920
some of the same legal rights as those in an actual marriage.

01:10:55.920 --> 01:11:01.600
And so it was, well, life insurance should permit you to name

01:11:02.240 --> 01:11:05.040
Your so-called husband if you're a man.

01:11:05.040 --> 01:11:06.560
And so people didn't object to that.

01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:08.480
That seemed like a minor thing.

01:11:08.480 --> 01:11:10.880
Okay, fine, we can make that change.

01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:15.840
And then the demand was that, well, health insurance benefits should cover

01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.840
your partner, so called.

01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:19.760
And so we made that change.

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.320
And on and on and on and on.

01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:27.680
And eventually you get to today, where you have marriage redefined, you

01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:33.840
have Christian adoption agencies being driven out of their work, and so

01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.520
you have children who could have been adopted into good families who

01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:42.160
will not because they are accused of discriminating under the law because

01:11:42.160 --> 01:11:47.120
they will not adopt out to homosexuals.

01:11:47.120 --> 01:11:51.840
The slope is almost always slippery, and it just gets worse.

01:11:52.240 --> 01:11:55.360
And all of those steps on along the way, each of those

01:11:55.360 --> 01:11:57.680
concessions was perfectly reasonable.

01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:59.280
Like, oh, well, that makes perfect sense.

01:11:59.280 --> 01:12:00.160
That's just a small thing.

01:12:00.160 --> 01:12:01.200
Why wouldn't we do that?

01:12:01.200 --> 01:12:02.800
There's no harm in that.

01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:07.120
The harm was done the very moment that any man, woman, or

01:12:07.120 --> 01:12:09.200
child conceded that

01:12:10.480 --> 01:12:14.400
marriage was not the sexual union of a man and a woman

01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:18.320
blessed by God for the purpose of procreation.

01:12:18.320 --> 01:12:21.760
As soon as that definition was abandoned, as soon as it could

01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:25.920
be any other permutation, the whole shooting match was lost.

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:31.360
And everything that happened downstream, down the slope, down that icy, slippery,

01:12:31.360 --> 01:12:36.720
murderous slope was inevitable because you gave away the the whole thing

01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:38.400
at the starting bell.

01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:43.440
You gave away the fight when you gave away what it meant

01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:46.960
to actually be married, which is sexual union between a man and

01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:48.800
a woman.

01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:53.920
That, when it is licit, is the foundation of society, all of

01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.800
it. It's the foundation of the family, it's the foundation of the

01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:58.240
state. And guess what?

01:12:58.240 --> 01:13:01.360
The people who seek the destruction of the state, who seek the

01:13:01.360 --> 01:13:05.040
destruction of the family for the sake of doing evil, they know

01:13:05.040 --> 01:13:05.840
what they're doing.

01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:08.800
Satan knows what he's doing by undermining this.

01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.280
So when they say, oh, love is love, let me show you

01:13:11.280 --> 01:13:13.680
this rainbow, which by the way is not really a rainbow.

01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:14.880
It's got six colors.

01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:17.280
God's rainbow has seven seven colors.

01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:20.400
You think about this later on what the significance of those number

01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:22.640
changes are, because that matters.

01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:27.600
When they have these false flags, literally, that they these banners that

01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:32.480
they fly and these slogans that they chant, they're all reasonable, they're

01:13:32.480 --> 01:13:36.480
all pretty, they always appear as an angel of light.

01:13:36.480 --> 01:13:41.040
And it's the premise that they're trying to sell that is the

01:13:41.040 --> 01:13:42.720
deadly poison.

01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:48.480
And Christians who are not aware of how these fights are actually

01:13:48.480 --> 01:13:54.000
taking place in the world are spiritually and intellectually disarmed and they're

01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:59.440
vulnerable to not only not fighting evil, but to actively participating in

01:13:59.440 --> 01:14:01.280
evil with a clear conscience.

01:14:01.280 --> 01:14:04.960
Because if you buy the frame of the evil, then it becomes

01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.960
yours. And suddenly you go find a a Bible verse that it

01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.120
turns out said that that was moral all along.

01:14:11.120 --> 01:14:12.560
And why didn't notice that before?

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Well, great.

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thank God for this progress that we've made in our religion where

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now we have we have new and more moral ways of doing

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things. Christianity does not progress.

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Christianity does not evolve.

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Christianity does not have more morality today than yesterday.

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If you want to try to be more moral than God, you're

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going to go to hell.

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And I I I often speak like this and I I don't

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mean to be

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brutal or blunt or forceful for the sake of of drama or

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something, but again, the slippery slope is real.

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You buy you into a little thing, you're gonna get what comes

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along with it.

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Because you're going down that icy hill, you don't have any brakes.

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There's nothing you can do except for spin and hit something at

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the bottom, you don't have a choice except for not going over

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the hill in the first place.

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And that requires knowing that there's a hill there, that it's icy,

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and that there's damnation at the bottom of it.

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And yes, I'm mixing my metaphors terribly.

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I love doing that, but it's

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this is life and death stuff of the soul, not only of

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the body.

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It's not just that well society's gonna get a little bit worse.

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It's that these people who can get you to agree to evil

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things, they're getting you to deny God.

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They're reframing in such a way that it sounds Jesus-y and it

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sounds loving and it sounds nice.

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And if you fall for their reframe, it becomes your religion, and

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you call that religion Christianity.

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When the genesis, the genealogy of that religion, is Satan, it's not

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God. These things are not found in Scripture, none of them.

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They are found in the world.

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They are found in the mouths of the most evil people in

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the world, and the fact that they're being found in the mouths

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of Christians is is horrifying and it needs to stop and it

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will only stop when people recognize and speak against these sorts of

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evils when it starts, not when it gets so bad that you're

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like, oh wow, we we got to do something about it now.

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You fight the first moment that the reframe occurs, you fight the

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moment that the evil is introduced, not when everyone suddenly realizes how

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gat bad it could actually get.

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By then it's gonna be too late.

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And in the case of homosexual marriage where we basically capitulated

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wasn't actually with the pride parades, which is noteworthy because well they

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call them pride parades.

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Satan's mask is never perfect, he always lets things slip.

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If you have people doing what they do at Pride Parades and

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calling them pride parades, maybe think about that and mortal sin.

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But where we actually capitulated had almost nothing to do

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with homosexuality.

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We capitulated when we stopped opposing birth control.

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Because that's where we undermined the nature of marriage, what it meant

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to be man and wife, what it meant to have a family.

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And from there, that was the beginning of the slippery slope.

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Because once you decouple marriage from procreation, well then why does it

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matter if you literally cannot procreate in this union?

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And that was the beginning of the slippery slope when it came

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to this particular issue.

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And some Christians did fight that battle.

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We do have to give credit.

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The LCMS fought long and hard on that one.

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The boomers capitulated, largely in the sixties, but before that our forebears

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did fight that issue.

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They didn't win, but they tried.

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And it's important to note, as Christians, God does not tell us

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go win the battle.

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In fact, a lot of times he tells us to go lose

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the battle, but you still have to fight the battle.

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God is the one who will fight for you, and he and

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exactly you never give up, you keep fighting.

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God may carry the day for you, he may not.

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Ultimately he will.

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But you don't have the option to stop fighting.

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Make the enemy bleed for every inch.

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Because the enemy will not stop fighting, and neither can Christians.

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We are not permitted to do that.

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God is truth.

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Beauty, goodness, truth.

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We will keep bringing up the transcendentals until people are saying them

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in their sleep.

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If you yield on the truth, you are necessarily yielding on God

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because God is truth.

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There is no falsehood in God, there are no lies in God.

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Lies cannot stand in his presence.

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And so if you are buying into the lies of the world,

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you are buying into things that are against God, you are opposing

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God, you are renouncing him, and that is why these things matter.

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That is why you do not let people reframe things and shift

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things away from what was good, what is good, because good doesn't

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change, the truth doesn't change, beauty doesn't change, because God doesn't change.

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You're absolutely right about contraception, about birth control, and and that led

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to normalizing divorce.

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Because well, if if it wasn't about procreation and the cre and

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the formation of families, then it just becomes a a social arrangement,

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it becomes a financial arrangement.

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And you know, maybe in some cases divorce should should be allowed.

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We have plenty of pastors who are divorced.

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And even though that's an ontological impossibility, it's it's something that's virtually

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never spoken against today.

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The fact that the majority of our pastors use birth control is

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demonstrated by the fact that most of them don't have seven or

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eight kids.

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You can tell which pastors have a scriptural view of birth control

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by how many kids they have.

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Yeah, they literally

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Yeah. and these are millennials.

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Like they these are guys who may still be having kids in

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five or ten years.

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they some of 'em may end up with clans of 20 and

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I hope they do because they're some of the best theologians that

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we have in the Missouri Synod today.

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Those are the guys who are filling pews.

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it's the guy with with one kid and then another adopted one

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from Venezuela that is the real problem because he didn't c just

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capitulate on one evil thing, he capitulated on a whole bunch of

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them because as you said, there there are no lies in God.

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we

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the cr the morality, the the religion of today is not which

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is not Christianity, says that hate is evil, that killing is evil

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per se, that they're those things are utterly impermissible under any circumstances.

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And that lying or that adopting false beliefs, well, you know, you

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you don't want lies, but you know, beliefs are malleable, they can

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be whatever.

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When you read scripture, you will find that God hates.

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There are things that God hates.

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To hate is one of the properties of God.

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It is not the one that we emphasize, because that would be

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bad news for us.

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We want to emphasize the gospel and not the law.

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But God hates whatever is contrary to God's nature.

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Sin which is contrary to God's nature, he hates.

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God will kill you because of your sin, which he hates, and

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he will kill you because he loves you, because just as Adam

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was cast from the garden, so that he can no longer eat

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from the tree of life, because then he would have lived forever,

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alienated from God.

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What God did was he sent him away so that he could

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die, so that the sin and the evil in Adam's life would

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have a finite end that could then be redeemed by Christ's propitiating

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sacrifice on the cross and that in eternity Adam would be given

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a new body and you will be given a new body and

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we will be given a second chance where there's no chance of

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sin, where all we can possibly do is obey God.

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But

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that love of God does not negate the fact that God hates

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and God kills as well.

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God killed everyone on the planet in an act of hatred for

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their evil in the flood.

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Apart from eight people, four men and four women were spared from

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the flood for the sake of continuing the promise of Genesis three

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fifteen that he would send a redeemer in for the fullness of

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time. So God will hate and God will kill.

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God will never lie.

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there's no portion of any lie that is possible anywhere in God.

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And yet today we've inverted that.

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We've said that God never, never hates, God never, never kills.

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But God, yeah, I mean, morality changes.

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If morality changes, then God's a liar.

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That's really what you're saying.

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And so these things that we call Christianity, that we call morality,

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they're not from God.

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The genealogy of those things has another source.

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And reframing those evil things in Christian terms by sprinkling Jesus dust

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on evil stuff, it reframes and lets people who are Christians who

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are not being wise as serpents, who are just being lazy and

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gullible, lets them fall for things that will ultimately separate your soul

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from God in eternity.

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And no one wants that.

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There's nothing more hateful than wanting someone to go to hell.

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We should we're forbidden to do that.

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And it it's sometimes it's hard

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because you know that when an evil person continues to be evil

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and they die in their evil, they will pay for eternity for

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every evil act they did, every careless word they spoke.

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I've committed many evil acts and I've said many were careless words.

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Jesus paid for all of those so that I won't have to,

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because I receive that gift through faith.

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Those who reject that sacrifice will take it upon them themselves to

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pay the eternal price for those things.

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And that is a truly terrifying thing.

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And as Christians, we're not to wish that on anyone.

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Sometimes that's hard.

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But it is a terrifying reality that those who use these tools

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of manipulation and of rhetoric for the sake of advancing evil, they're

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heaping condemnation upon themselves.

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They're nailing Christ to the cross with those sins, but they're also

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accumulating punishment and attorney for those sins because they will pay for

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them if they don't repent.

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And so Corey, you and I both pray for the repentance of

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all of these people to cease their evil for the sake of

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the world, for the sake of the church, and for the sake

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of their own souls.

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But if they will not cease, then may Master Hans visit upon

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them in a legal manner as soon as possible to rid us

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of the evil in this world, because the sooner that they stop

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doing the evil, the better off we'll be, and the better off

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they'll be even if they go to hell.