Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast.
I am Corey J.
Mahler. And I'm Wo.
Today we are going to be discussing a uh subject that we
have mentioned numerous times in previous episodes, that is race.
Uh this week's episode and next week's episode will both be specifically
about the subject of race.
Now before you delete this episode and fast forward and just say
I don't want to hear that crap, I'd like to give a
preamble and a a a plea to those who are listening to
please bear with us before you decide that this is something that's
just taxing on your mind and you don't want to hear it.
Uh it's understandable if that was your first response, if you heard
me say race and you're like, I'm out of here.
I don't want to hear any of this stuff.
There are basically three groups of people that you have ever heard
discussing race in your life.
First are the atheists, uh, they're the scientists, they're the evolutionists who
unfortunately have most of the data about these things, about the scientific,
and again, as we've mentioned in the past, scientific means it's scantia
from Latin knowledge.
Science is not simply about hypothesizing, it's not about theories.
Science is fundamentally about facts.
And while the atheist evolutionist scientists who deal with the subject of
race specifically in terms of genetics often have theories that are contrary
to scripture.
That doesn't mean that the underlying data is false.
And so today we're going to be discussing the underlying data and
we're going to present our own conclusions from that data that is
consistent with scripture.
So that's the reason you haven't heard this before.
You haven't heard someone who's willing to engage with the facts and
then willing to look at scripture and m see where they fit
together because what a scientist discovers in a lab by looking at
DNA is a real thing.
It's actually true.
And if they have evolutionary givens that that cause them to apply
false theories to reach incorrect conclusions, that doesn't mean that the data's
bad. It means that their conclusions are bad.
So we're going to discuss the data in our own terms.
And it's not that far from what they're saying, but it's probably
pretty far from what you've heard before.
So that's group one, the evolutionists.
Group two, the you've heard before, are based on the Marxists, people
who will not really let you pin them down on what race
actually means.
They'll just tell you that it's they'll basically use it as a
weapon. They're gonna swing some aspect of race or racism or whatever
they're talking about, specifically as a political cudgel, within a conversation to
demean one group or to elevate another group or to set true
two groups against each other politically
and it's a huge turnoff.
It's incredibly aggravating.
You've probably un been on the receiving end of some of those
lies. And so when you hear race, you think I'm sick of
this crap.
I don't want to hear it anymore.
That's not us.
We're not evolutionists.
We're not Marxists.
We're not using this as a cudgel.
And the third group is frankly probably the group that you were
in as a Christian who I'm going to call you naive, but
it's not meant to be demeaning or insulting.
It's just you've never looked at this stuff.
You don't care.
You don't think it applies to your life.
And so you haven't delved deeply into the facts that underlie the
history of the subject.
The reason that that's a problem is that when a Christian ignores
the facts related to race, as a Christian, you're going to then
simply turn to scripture.
And so it's very easy for Christians who ignore the facts, look
at scripture to re s it reach incorrect conclusions that sound scriptural,
but they're nonsense.
And we're doing this episode specifically to try to get people over
the hurdle of saying things like one race the human race, as
though that precludes the possibility that there are subdivisions among humans.
To say that that doesn't exist is to contradict scripture.
And so this episode is actually going to be broken into two
parts. Today, this first episode on race is specifically going to deal
with the scientific basis.
Uh, it's going to be in episodes that's a little bit unusual
from some of the others, is in that we don't talk much
about scripture, but we're going to talk a fair amount about Genesis,
particularly Genesis 1 through Genesis 11.
So from the creation through the Tower of Babel, and then we'll
extrapolate a little bit from then more into recorded human history as
that we get records from elsewhere and archaeological evidence.
But we're not gonna rely very heavily on scripture.
And in particular, we're not going to address any of the soteriological
disputes of the notions of race, of the claim of race, of
the fact of race.
So if as we're going along, you have in mind Galatians three
twenty-eight, which said that there's neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither
slave more nor free, there is no male and female for all
in one in car in Christ Jesus.
I'm going to ask you for the the sake of argument to
simply set that aside.
We're going to address it in the second episode.
We're going to address it in detail.
That could be an episode all by itself.
We could do multiple episodes just on Galatians 328.
We're not going to address it today.
So if as we go along you find yourself shouting at your
your phone or whatever, there's neither Jew nor Greek.
We're gonna get to that.
That's not remotely what that passage means.
It's not a refutation of what we're saying in this episode.
So that's basically just a preamble as a plea to hear the
whole thing out before you decide that we fall into one of
the first two buckets of either the evolutionists or the Marxist, uh
which is what some people online, particularly a number of pastors have
accused us of, uh, mainly to discredit us and say that we're
hateful and we're not Christian at all Corey and I fall into
a fourth group.
Men that have looked at this stuff have studied it.
Because we see that the world cares, we see that Satan cares.
You as a Christian may not think their race has anything to
do with with your life or with salvation or with how God
operates in the world, Satan feels differently.
And you can tell that even right this moment, before you've heard
anything else we have to say in any of our arguments, you
can tell that Satan cares because you can't get away from this
damn subject.
That tells you that Satan has a skin in the game when
it comes to the subject of race.
Now, the hurdle that we're hoping to get people over is the
idea that talking about it at all is evil.
We obviously don't believe that or we wouldn't be talking about it.
if we believe that we were saying something evil, you know, if
we were Christians, we would shut our mouths, we wouldn't say it.
So I simply ask for you to bear with us for this
episode and the next episode.
And if at the end of that you find that we have
been evolutionists and Marxists all along, that's fine, you can reach that
conclusion. Just hear our argument first.
So with that out of the way, we're going to begin with,
as I mentioned, the the first fundamental misconception that is widely applied
among Christians, and that is that there is one race, the human
race.
And
so the argument that we often hear from Christians when it comes
to race, as stated, is one race, the human race.
And the underlying argument for that is that because we are all
ultimately descended from Adam, we are all of the race of Adam.
The problem with that statement is that it is both true and
false. It is true because to speak of men as the race
of Adam is accurate.
But to then conclude from that that all men are of the
same race is to equivocate with regard to the term race.
Race can refer to various levels in the hierarchy in the ancestry
of a particular life form.
And so for instance, a good example would be you can speak
of the race of dogs.
Usually for dogs, yes, we call them breed instead, but it's the
same thing, same concept here.
If you speak of the breed of golden retriever, you are speaking
of something more specific than just dog.
They're all dogs, so a golden retriever, a Pomeranian, a Rotweiler, these
are all dogs.
But they are different breeds of dog, the same The same for
humans, you can speak of the race of Adam, human beings, as
being one species, because we are in fact one species, by any
reasonable definition of that term, all of humanity, one species, the race
of Adam.
But we have over time, according to God's good ordering of creation,
become separate races, distinct from each other.
Because as we moved, we adapted to the areas where we started
to live.
God designed it that way.
It's very clear.
He gave us the order, be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth
and subdue it.
That was what we were supposed to do.
Different groups move to different areas.
And so as that happened, you have the creation of the different
races as they exist today.
Now, of course, the real genesis of this is in Genesis
is right after the flood.
And the reason we have a real break there is because you
have obviously from Adam and Eve up until the time of the
flood, you have man proliferating over the face of the earth.
There are various genetic differences over time.
We don't know as much about the antideluvians as we do about
those who've come after the flood, of course, that would be us
in the latter category, but you have a bottleneck, and that bottleneck
is Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives.
We don't know the genealogy of their wives.
Much of the genetic variation we see today probably came from the
wives of Noah's sons.
Because obviously Noah's sons very closely genetically related.
The wives, not necessarily so closely related.
And they spread out after they got off the Ark.
The Ark came to land in Mount Ararat, which our best guess
is eastern Turkey, or maybe a little over the border of Turkey,
right in that area.
And that bears out.
If you look at the DNA of the various human groups, if
you look at how related we are and to whom we're related,
you can see that we spread out from basically Turkey.
The old out of Africa hypothesis was not wildly wrong, it was
off by several thousand miles.
Because the art came to land in roughly modern day Turkey.
Europeans are descended from Japheth.
Jap moved north and west, filled Europe, Eventually some became sailors and
also filled the southern end of the Mediterranean, which would be North
Africa. The Shemites stayed in the Middle East and also moved eastward
into what is today Asia, and the Hamites moved south, through Egypt,
and then into Africa.
Probably assume that the Sahara was not quite as big at the
time, so it was more passable.
And that is how you end up with the modern racial groups.
They spread out from Noah's Ark, descended from the three patriarchs, and
so you have essentially three major groupings of human beings, major divisions
of human races.
Within that, yes, you have smaller divisions to go back again to
the term of race and what it means, going from the smallest
up to the greatest.
You could speak of the race of Germans.
Then you could speak of the Germanic race, which would include the
English and the Dutch and others.
Then you could speak of the Japhethitic race, which would be Europeans
descended from Japheth.
Then you could speak of either Noah or Adamic race, which would
be all men.
And so it's important to note how the term is being used,
and not to equivocate, not to conflate the different senses of this
term, because that is often deliberately misleading, but in many cases for
Christians it is unintentionally misleading because there is a use of a
term as if it were univocal when it is not.
I
I think one of the toughest things that Christians have to face
when looking seriously at the data about these matters is that as
I said, group one, the atheists and the evolutionists who do most
of the research, who control most of the publication.
Historically they haven't lied about the data, although that's happening today just
in the last five and ten years.
There's more deliberate fudging of the data, specifically to accord with what
Christians claim as their own morality, to say one race, the human
race. Today the scientists are now saying the same thing and they're
altering their data to achieve that desired outcome when the data doesn't
support it.
So as you delve into this, it's a real challenge because you're
forced to listen to people who are going to reach incorrect conclusions
based on their faulty givens.
And most people are not really equipped to to sort the good
from the bad, to to look at data that itself is sound,
is solid, like for example, genetic data that bears out what Corey
just said about three different racial groups that are present in genetic
data. You can you can look at someone's genes and determine based
on statistical analysis which of those major buckets they fall into.
And in fact, with a reasonable probability, which of the smaller buckets
they fall into.
It's not a hundred percent certain, but even when it's off by
a bit, it's not going to be off by much.
You're not going to look at the the DNA of a German
and mistake him for a Ghanon.
You will mistake him for a Frenchman.
You could mistake him for an Englishman.
You're probably not going to mistake him for a Bosnian.
And again, you're you're you're not going to mistake him as Japanese,
even at the genetic level.
You have no idea where it came from.
Like it's just it's a blood sample that from which you extracted
DNA or epithelial where wherever you get your DNA sample, when you
profile it, this stuff is present.
And so you don't need to be a Christian to look at
the data.
And that's that's a hard part of this conversation because as I
said, the evolutionary atheists who were crunching the numbers will then reach
evolutionary atheist conclusions.
And for a Christian, when you're looking at it, you're faced with
sorting the true data from the false conclusions and the temptation is
just to say, ah, this is all crap.
Because what you're looking at is, you know, a scientist who will
say that the Earth is that the universe is 14 billion years
old, Earth is four and a half billion years old.
Life is a couple billion billion years old, and you had proteins
that somehow became cells, and then a cell became a fish, and
then a fish became a monkey, and a monkey became a man,
and a man became a race of men.
And as a Christian, you know that almost all of that is
nonsense. The earth is six thousand years old, and all the DNA
in our bodies comes from Adam and comes from Noah and the
the wives of Noah's sons.
That's a
scriptural fact.
It's also a scientific fact.
What the scientists get wrong are the time frames that are involved.
And so when you're looking at the raw data, you're going to
find a bunch of erroneous conclusions.
And
I think that for a lot of people, I we're ho we're
ho we're doing this episode in the hope that you can at
least take a basis for being able to understand these questions in
in a Christian fashion that is not at odds with the scientific
facts. If at the end of this you just throw up your
hands and say, I don't I have no idea what's going on.
I can't make heads or tails out of it, honestly, that's okay.
Not everyone is equipped to be able to actually wrap their heads
around this stuff.
What I what I would say to you is that if you
personally get to the end of what we're saying and say I
can't make heads or tails of it, that's fine, but you should
in the future, when you hear discussions of race, refrain from participating.
Because what you're saying is, I don't know enough to be even
be able to reach a conclusion.
And what we're trying to say is that there are conclusions that
can be reached that are consistent with scripture that are also consistent
with the facts.
Because guess what?
That's what the truth means.
The truth from God, the truth that is revealed in scripture, and
the truth that is revealed in creation are all of one spirit.
It's all the same thing.
And the fact that there are scientists who are atheists who come
along and butcher the facts of creation doesn't alter creation.
It just means that they're telling lies about it.
And so as we discuss this, it's important to tease those out.
So as Corey said, everything became with Adam, began with Adam.
All of the genes in every single human being today came from
within Adam's body.
Eve was created from Adam.
We have no reason to believe that there was any portion of
Eve that did not come for directly from him.
In fact, I would say it's it is arguably a heresy to
say that there is a single cell in her body that was
not derived from Adam.
Now, it's important to note when as we go down this path
that when we're talking about inheritance and we're talking about relation, you
get half of your DNA from your father and half of your
DNA from your mother.
What that implies is that half of your father's DNA is not
inside you because the other half came from your mother.
You have forty six chromosomes, you get twenty three from each of
them. As you go back generationally, you know, when you go back
generations are powers of two.
So
one generation back means that 50-50, that's one half.
Two generations back is one quarter, so 25%.
If you go back seven generations, you're at less than one percent
because two to the seventh is a hundred and twenty-eight.
So you're looking at one one hundred and twenty-eighth of the available
genetic data from your great great great great great grandfather in your
own body.
What that means is that there's a there's a 50-50 chance that
you'll have a shot at having some of their DNA in you.
Now, this is important for two reasons.
One, it's possible if you go back far enough that you may
not have any of the specific genes from one of your own
ancestors. This is very common and it's something that shows up when
genetic analysis is being done.
If you go back not too many generations, it's possible simply to
lose the thread of relation.
Not because you're not related to them, but that just that there
were no specific genes coming from them.
On the other hand, the second vital point is
that all humans are approximately something like 99.2, 99.5% the same
genetically. This is one of the arguments that's made for one race,
the human race, saying all the genetic variation among various human groups
is in that last per half percent.
The reason that's misleading is that chimpanzees are about ninety-eight point eight
percent the same as human DNA, which is why the evolutionary scientists
will say fish, monkey, man, race, because they see the similarity between
the monkey and the man and say, well, clearly they came from
the same place.
As Christians, we know
that's not the case.
And even more ridiculously, dog are ninety-four percent.
So is is it one is it one race, the mammal race?
Cats are ninety percent.
And to give people an idea of how little DNA varies even
across species, fruit flies are 60% the same as human beings.
So it does not take a huge difference in order to well,
it doesn't take a huge difference genetically in order to have a
significant difference phenotypically, which is the expression of course of the genotype.
Yeah. In fact in some cases for humans it can be as
little as one base pair.
Yes.
What that tells us is that God likes patterns.
He likes repetition.
We see this everywhere in the universe.
Galaxies all have similar structures.
Galaxies all have different structures too, but they're variations on a theme.
You know, it's just like Beethoven or Bach when they're writing their
magnificent works, they will begin with a phrase and then they'll build
it and they'll evolve it and they'll grow it into something magnificent
and then we'll stall start all over again and they'll do the
same sort of process and reach something that begins with the same
basic theme, the same phrase, but it takes it in a very
different direction.
But you'll hear those same echoes throughout the entire piece.
That's a reflection of what God does in creation.
So the fact that monkeys are 98.8% the same as humans doesn't
mean that we're related in the sense that we have a common
ancestor. It means that we're related by the fact that we have
the same creator.
And God created mammals in one sense.
And then he created lobsters and he created all these weird things
that have all these varieties and variations.
That's according to God's good creation.
And we can say that a chihuahua and a healer are subspecies,
we're terrified to say that human races are subspecies.
We completely preclude the idea of subspecies when talking about human beings,
in part because of the implications.
Does it mean that an African
somehow has a different degree of value than a European or an
Asian? That's a moral question.
And the answer before God is no.
That's never going to be an argument you're going to hear from
either of us.
Jesus died for all Homo sapiens.
Jesus died for every descendant of Adam.
That's all of us, regardless of any of these differences that we're
talking about in these episodes, we will never make any argument that
says, well, this man is different than from this man, therefore, God
cares about this man and doesn't care about this man.
That's absolutely the polar opposite of why we're talking about it in
the first place.
We're talking about it because
Satan is using this as a wedge to divide Christ's church and
to divide all of humanity in ways that are unnatural.
Now there are natural divisions, and that is what race is.
Race is a natural division.
As you look from Babel, what was the story of Babel?
The people who all shared a common language when they were told
by God, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue
it. They said, No, we're not going anywhere.
We're going to build a tower that's going to be a monument
to our own greatness.
It's going to keep us together in this place, and we will
be as God.
We will be magnificent, and everyone will respect us for how unified
we are.
That is the spirit of this age.
One race, the human race, is the cry of Babel.
God was so infuriated at the evil of Babel that he came
down to earth and he deliberately confused the languages of men so
that they couldn't talk to each other each other anymore.
Suddenly one man could not speak to another at all.
You have one guy speaking
proto-Germanic and another guy speaking proto-Japanese.
They're aliens to each other.
Even though by blood they're related, God said, You know what?
You didn't go your separate ways.
I'm gonna separate you because you're never going to be able to
communicate again.
And they did.
That was what it finally took was the division of language to
separate groups which were then still fairly closely related because they'd they'd
only recently come off the arc.
We I don't know if we know how many generations, but it
wasn't very long.
Those people were scattered across the face of the earth by God
because they were crying one race the human race.
God said, this is evil, I am stopping it now.
And so what did he do?
According to Acts 17, 26, he appointed the boundaries of men and
their dwelling the boundaries of their dwelling places and the numbers of
their days.
He said, You're gonna go here and you're gonna go there.
And as I mentioned before, you can look at a topographical map
of Europe and you can see Norway, Sweden, and Finland from space
in the topography.
You can see the mountain range that divide the nor the Norsemen
from the Swede.
You can see the mountain range that divides the Portuguese from the
Spanish. If you just look at a at a political map of
of Portugal and Spain, you're like, why is that little sliver there
a separate country?
It never made any sense to me.
I was I was many years old when I finally saw this
topographical map.
I'm like, holy crap, I see Portugal.
Now God did that.
God made those mountain ranges and he sent men to those places.
And what happened when they went to those places?
They became isolated.
First they were isolated by language, as God ordained, and then through
the process of interbreeding and intermarrying, the genetic content in their bodies
became winnowed.
So the men who were descended from Adam and from Noah who
went to Norway got more and more pale because the genes for
them to lose the expression of for melanin that would cause them
to reject most vitamin D in their skins went away.
Now a Norseman who moves to the equator is not going to
suddenly turn black again.
It was a one-way trip, just as you cannot take a chihuahua
and turn him back into a wolf.
Even though I think that personally, I think it's arguable that if
you look at the species that were on the ark, I don't
think that you had a wolf and a coyote and a German
shepherd, even though those all look very similar.
They all have a same common ancestor.
And see the the evolutionist will tell you that ancestor is you
know tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years in the past.
The Christian will say, well, the earth is about six thousand years
old, so that doesn't make sense.
And all the a all the mammals were killed except for those
that were two by two on the ark.
So forty five hundred years ago we have this choke point where
all the genes of all the creatures that live on land or
fly were placed on the ark.
Personally, I believe that there was a wolf or a proto wolf
on the arc, and that all of the speciation of the wolf,
the coyote, the dog, the fox, everything downstream from the wolf classification
genetically came from that pair.
And as they went their separate ways and they went to their
separate areas where God had ordained for the Arctic fox to live
here and the desert fox to live here.
They're both foxes, but they're very differently equipped genetically.
And human beings work the same way.
Not that we're foxes, not that we're dogs, but that we're creatures,
that we're God's creatures, and in his infinite wisdom, he gave Adam
the genetic material to fill the entire year Earth.
So when we talk about race, it is not a denial of
creation, it's not a denial of the six-day creation or of the
six thousand year history of Earth.
And it's not to say that human beings are just another animal
like all the rest, but we do behave in similar ways because
we're all made from the same stuff.
And the genes that God gave us work in the same ways.
And one of the values of looking at things like dogs is
because they have much shorter gestational periods, you can get, you know,
most of the dog species, subspecies today
didn't exist 200 years ago.
They all have a common ancestor that's almost in living memory.
If you get a really old person who remembers another really old
person from their family, they can probably that person would be able
to remember the ancestor of all the dogs today.
Even though that person 200 years ago, if he looked at a
chihuahua and looked at a St.
Bernard, like, what is this stuff?
I have no idea.
It looks like nothing I've ever seen.
Genetically, they all came from the same place.
We're talking about the same thing with people, and that's not a
denial of humanity, and it's not a denial of salvation.
It's saying that this is how God has chosen to work in
the last forty five hundred years since since the flood in human
lives. And that's one of the big hurdles because the data sounds
atheist, but the conclusions are entirely consistent from s with scripture, and
they're also entirely consistent with observable reality.
And that's something that I hope people will take away from this
discussion is that we're not talking about theories, we're not talking about
hypotheses, we're talking about measurable, discernible facts and ones that actually have
consequences. And we'll deal with those consequences in future episodes.
But first we need to establish that this stuff is actually real
and it's not a threat to your faith to look at it
as a real thing.
In
fact, the real denial of the faith comes from denying these things.
Because if you deny the reality of human race or or these
distinctions, these differences, what God did in time in the physical world.
Really that's a form of Gnosticism because you are denying the reality
of the flesh.
And so that is a violation of the first article of the
Creed. But I think possibly this is a good time to do
a just a quick biology lesson to give those who haven't had
biology in a while or perhaps never took it, a bit of
the fundamentals, the mechanics here, how this actually works and plays out
in reality.
And so there are some terms it is important to know.
I would hope people are familiar with a few of the terms
here, but one in particular that is important is haplogroup.
And a haplogroup is basically a group of people who share a
common ancestor.
It's defined as a certain number of alleles that tend to be
inherited together of Alleles being a different form of a gene, you
can have different forms of the same gene if it's a different
one that's an allele.
And so you can look at a map of haplogroups and you
can see race on that map.
But two of the most important haplo types of haplogroups, and we'll
put some images of these in the show notes, would be according
to mitochondrial DNA and according to Y chromosome DNA.
And the reason that these two are important is because mitochondrial DNA
is inherited from the mother alone.
You do not get your mitochondrial DNA from your father.
You get it from your mother.
Because the mitochondrial DNA that comes from the sperm is destroyed in
the ovum.
It is not passed on.
Only the mitochondrial DNA from the mother is passed on and so
we have a mitochondrial Eve.
There is a woman at some point in history from whom all
mitochondrial DNA comes.
And of course, that in the Christian case is Eve, that's why
she's called mitochondrial Eve.
Now, mitochondrial DNA can mutate over time, because really any DNA can
mutate over time.
Not all mutations are beneficial, most are harmful.
But But some of the mutations are either neutral or they don't
harm the organism in such a way that it doesn't carry on.
And so that will carry on to successive generations.
That's the sort of mutation that does not terminate a line, it
will continue.
Mitochondrial DNA is very stable.
We aren't certain how stable yet, but there are some studies that
estimate that it mutates as infrequently as once every eight thousand years.
Now of course, being Christians, again, we know the earth is about
six thousand years old.
This is the year of our Lord six thousand twenty seven, give
or take two or three years.
So they're probably off by a little bit on the rate of
mutation. But the point is that it is very stable.
There's very little mutation in mitochondrial DNA.
The other group is Y chromosome DNA.
Hopefully those who've taken biology remember that women have two X chromosomes
and men have an X and a Y chromosome, and so obviously
you have to inherit your Y chromosome from your father.
Y chromosomes do not really recombine.
And now what recombining is
when you get your genetic information, you get half from your mother
and half from your father.
The chromosomes that match, so if it's the same chromosome, chromosome five
from each parent, whatever it happens to be, there can be recombination
where DNA can get swapped back and forth, and that's some of
how you get genetic variance in populations over time is recombination.
The Y chromosome recombines very little.
It only recombines on a tail where it matches with the X
chromosome that you receive from the mother.
95% of the Y chromosome does not recombine.
And so you wind up having a relative stability in inheritable Y
chromosome DNA over time.
And so you can define human groups according to the Y chromosome
because you can look back to a common male ancestor from whom
this population inherited that chromosome.
However, the Y chromosome mutates much more frequently, much more quickly than
mitochondrial DNA, you get a mutation every generation or so in the
Y chromosome.
Now it's a small mutation, but this can be tracked over time.
What that means is you can tell how groups split from each
other over time as human beings spread out over the surface of
the earth.
And so if you look at these two maps together you can
pretty much tell exactly where the races are delineated simply on the
basis of Y chromosome haplogroups and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups.
And again, we will put the image the images of this in
the show notes.
You can literally look at it and go, I can see the
jaffitites on here, I can see the Hamites on here, I can
see the Shemites on here, I can see Germanic Europe versus Slavic
Europe versus Celtic Europe.
These are real things that can be seen and tested in the
real world, and they do not disagree with our faith whatsoever, because
they actually prove, again, it's further proof of the truth of the
scriptures. Because you can see the groups that spread out from the
ark. You can actually see a confirmation of what scripture says playing
out in the real world as God designed
it.
We mentioned the show notes a lot, and I I hope that
you're checking those every week.
I hope you're clicking through the URL to look.
This is a podcast that has homework.
Now you you don't need to go look at the stuff in
order to like follow up on future episodes.
So it's not it's not homework that's graded.
But in some cases, at least half of the episode isn't anything
that we say, but that's a stuff that we like.
So if you get value out of what we're saying this episode
and the next couple episodes in particular, please click through and look
at this stuff so you can see for yourselves because this is
an audio presentation and we're this is a superficial look at this
stuff. We're not going super in depth because frankly, it's not important
for the purpose of these conversations.
This conversation, this episode, is specifically making the case that race is
a real thing.
So if you have gone around and said one race, the human
race, which is very common.
People say it without without a guilty conscience.
They think that they're being Christian.
That's part of why we're we're refuting it, is that it's not
a Christian say thing to say, but it sounds Christian.
It's important as Christians to tell the truth.
And the fact that Satan is attacking this specific area of the
truth should be an indication to every qu Christian that there's something
going on here that matters.
Now, in the episode that we did on Christian nationalism and in
the episode that we did on election, both of those we talked
at some length um in part, probably about 20 minutes in in
each ep episode, we talked about some of these things about how
race and ancestry are concentric circles.
So the notion and this was this was present I mentioned in
a previous episode In the Webster 1828 definition of race or of
nation, it specifically addresses the fact that we're the race of Adam,
and the you know the Jews are the race of Abraham, that
we as Europeans are the race of Japheth.
And then as you go on down, those races get smaller.
And one of the common false arguments, it's a cheap shot and
it's dishonest, but it sounds convincing, superficially, is that well, how can
a German and a Dutchman be a separate race if European and
African are a separate race?
None of it makes any sense.
Like you hear you'll hear people say that, that well, if there's
this sort of continuum I can't make sense of any of it,
none of it must exist.
That's just facially nonsense.
The fact that you have a mother and a father and that
your third cousins have a different mother and father, and that the
yet that you have a common great grandparent, however however far back
it goes, doesn't mean you're not related.
It just means that you're related to a different degree than your
immediate cousin or your brother or sister.
These degrees of relation are the basis of race.
Now, there's the discussion of the subject, one of the things that
will come up is that there are people who say nobody even
talked about any of this stuff until Jar Darwin.
Charles Darwin invented the origin of species and invented evolution in 1859,
and suddenly everyone started talking about race.
race and it never existed before that.
That's a bald face lie.
it's such a laughably retarded lie that it it it's it beggars
belief that it even exists.
And yet there's some fairly intelligent people superficially who will say things
like that?
Not because it's true, but because it's a it's a conversation-killing lie
that no one is going to fight him over.
You can go back to Aristotle and see him discussing ethnicity and
he broke it down into culture, language, and genetics, which is is
a good way of breaking it down.
As Corey mentioned, the Germans and the Dutch are genetically almost indistinguishable.
On if you looked at genes, you're probably not gonna be able
to tell someone who's Dutch from someone who's German.
Yet if you talk to 'em for thirty seconds, you can clearly
tell the difference.
And in many cases you might be able to tell just by
looking, because there are differences that there are a lot of things
about genetics that we don't understand yet.
That doesn't mean it's not real.
It just means we don't know what's going on.
The fact of ignorance of a man does not disprove the reality
of a fact.
It simply means that what we see with our own eyes, we
don't yet have a downstream explanation for it.
It's okay not to know, but it's not okay to lie because
you don't know.
So it is true that there is no one gene for race.
And we'll get into this more in a little bit, but the
reason that there's no one gene is that race is so inextricably
linked to who you are as a human being, as a man
or woman that God created in time, from all of those fathers
and all of those mothers going all the way back to the
flood and back to Adam There's such an intrinsic part of you
that is from that winnowing process.
That's the reason there's no race gene.
That's the reason there's no skin color gene, which is another lie
that we'll get to in a minute.
These are not superficial things.
These are things that are so deeply embedded in us that we
don't yet understand how deep they go.
That doesn't mean that they don't exist at all.
It just means that as current year science looks at genetic data,
it doesn't know where to find it.
It and it doesn't know where to find it because there's so
much of it that we don't yet understand.
So looking at these things and saying, well, we don't understand doesn't
pre-proclude the existence of a thing.
It just means we don't have an explanation.
And it's okay as a Christian to leave it at that.
There are lots of things we don't have explanations for.
That doesn't mean they're false.
And the fact that some of these discussions are coming from atheists
and from evolutionists who have harmful intent in mind when they spread
their lying conclusions doesn't undermine the reality of the created order that
God has given for all of us to observe.
And that's the important part of this
So to expand on you brought up skin color, it's a good
place to expand on that since we just went over the genetics
as well.
There are those who will try to argue that because
you see different skin tones in different parts of the world, despite
them clearly being different races, which is interesting they're importing that assumption
in there.
But for instance, there are fair skinned Japanese.
There are fair skinned Europeans.
There are many fair skinned people in the Middle East, even to
this day.
Did they Despite the various conquests that have taken place since the
time of the New Testament.
But it is not skin color that is the determiner of race.
It is genetic descent that is the determiner of race, and that's
why we speak of the race of Japheth, or the race of
Shem, or the race of Ham.
It is because a race is founded by a founding stock.
Now, the genes that express and cause skin color may be shared
across people groups.
As mentioned, there are fair skinned peoples in various parts of the
world. There are dark skinned people in various parts of the world.
There is some genetic relation between the Aborigines in Australia and sub
Saharan Africans, but they are distinct people groups despite having the same
skin tone.
Because race is not skin tone.
Skin tone is part of your phenotype, and again, your phenotype is
the physical expression of your genotype.
Your genotype is your genetics.
Now there's more to heritability than genetics, but we won't get into
that now.
And quite frankly, even the sciences aren't yet settled on what exactly
and how exactly that works.
So genetics, DNA is good enough for our purposes.
But race is not your skin color.
Skin color is not your race.
Because it is more than that.
You are who and what you are, because of quite a lot
of things that came together historically to make your people unique.
You are a member of that group because God saw fit to
make you a member of that group.
That was part of his plan.
All of these genetic differences between the various races of men existed
in Adam.
They were part of God's plan from the beginning.
And so there are those who will tell you
that race is a punishment from God as part of the Tower
of Babel, and that is lying about God.
That is high handed sin.
Christians should never let those words pass their lips.
The various races of men are part of God's plan because God
intended for us to spread over the face of the world, adapt
to the area in which we lived, to be fruitful and multiply.
And he built into Adam the ability to do that.
And that is what has taken place.
And so part of that, of course, is going to be skin
tone. And if you want to look at the explanation for skin
tone, it's very easy.
Pull up a map of human skin tones.
You'll see that it is simply a matter of how far you
are away from or how close you are to the equator.
And the reason for that is very simple.
If you get farther away from the equator, you need to be
able to absorb more sunlight for various biological processes.
And so if you have more melanin in your skin, if you
have darker skin, you are going to have a problem producing certain
vitamins and other things, and you are going to have health problems
because of that, so you need fair skin to let the sunlight
pass through.
If you are close to the equator, you are going to get
plenty of sunlight.
If you are as fair skinned as a Swede or a Norwegian
and you're living on the equator, you are going to get sunburned.
That's not advantageous, unless you live there long enough and are able
to tan, of course.
And so that's all skin tone is.
When we speak about race, we're not speaking about skin tone.
Skin tone is part of the equation.
It is simply what God built into humanity so that we could
live anywhere on the planet, instead of just having one skin tone
and having to live in a narrow latitude.
And
the reason that's important to discuss skin color first is because one
of the most common deceptions and frankly one of the laziest things
that is said, even among people who know what's going on, is
to call some people white and other people black.
You know what someone it means when they say that, but it's
a dangerous frame because
it begs the question that that's all race is.
That if someone were lighter, they wouldn't be black anymore.
You can Google pictures of albinos of various races.
You can have albinos where they have identical skin tone.
You can clearly tell who's white, you can tell who's Asian, and
you can tell who's African.
Because you know what?
There's a lot more going on, and it's not just facial features.
It's not just distinguishing eye shape or jaw shape or skull shape,
although the all those things are true.
There is a tremendous amount going on by virtue of genetic variation
in each of the distinct races.
And
we we begin with the color question because it's such nonsense.
Because one of the most common arguments against us will be: you
don't like people who look different, you don't like people with different
skin color.
That's just stupid.
It's just flat out stupid.
None of the discussion of race from those who say it's real
has anything to do with skin color.
Yes, it is a common shorthand because when you say black, everybody
knows what you mean.
However, that doesn't mean that because there's a gradient of colors in
assumption at some point you have a white person at the at
the opposite point of a black person in their shades in between
that we can't possibly know what the difference between black and white
is. That is a flat out logical fallacy.
It's just nonsense.
And yet it's very common when someone
Yeah. Yes.
It's it it it's deliberate deception in order to just throw chaff
into the air so no one can have an honest discussion about
this stuff.
There are so many aspects of what it means to have a
particular race that manifest in terms of behavior, in terms of intelligence,
in terms of disease profile.
And doctors know all of these things, or at least they did
20 years ago.
And this is what's really deadly about this lie, which is I
said, the atheist evolutionists are now getting on the same page as
the Christians and denying race exists and they're killing people as a
result. Because you know what?
If you are African, of African descent, you have a much higher
likelihood of having sickle cell anemia.
It's a blood disorder that everyone's heard about.
Your red blood cells have uh they're shaped wrong.
It turns out that the sickle cell
mutation is actually advantageous in terms of fighting malaria.
It's a mutation that harms your ability to correctly I think deal
with oxygen uptake in your blood.
I'm not sure what the effects are.
But it has a positive effect.
It has the effect of reducing the ability for malaria to reproduce
in your body.
That is only found in Africa because only Africans live near the
equator where malaria is rampant.
You can't have malarial swamps in places like Norway.
There are no mosquitoes carrying malaria in the fjords there are in
Africa. So these variations that have real-world consequences like sickle cell anemia
are specifically linked to race.
Now it's not that being an African causes you to have sickle
cell anemia, it's that the race of Africans tend to have that
particular mutation because of where they lived for 4500 years.
The same is true across numerous other groups.
If I had a friend who married a Jewish girl, and so
when they had their first kid, she had to go have specific
prenatal testing for lots of different uh genetic diseases that are particular
to Jews.
If he had married someone who's white, it wouldn't be an issue.
But Jews are more likely to have tay sacks.
They're 40% more likely to suffer from schizophrenia.
And all these things are genetics.
When I say Jew, I'm not talking about someone who reads the
Talmud and wears the funny hat.
I'm talking about someone who's descended from those who identifies the race
of Jews.
Now, it's not hateful to say that.
I'm not saying curse these people because they're Jews and I want
them to have bad diseases.
They have bad diseases in their genes that are particular to them.
These variations are racial and today, as I said, doctors are now
ignoring this stuff.
We're saying, Oh, what's it's all one race, the human race.
You can't possibly have any differences.
Well, that's gonna get a lot of people killed who wouldn't have
died if they had received the appropriate treatment.
And
I think as Christians, we need to be really concerned about the
fact that an unexamined given that we brought forward to say, well,
we're all descended from Adam, so we're all exactly the same.
And scientists for a long time were saying, no, that's not true
at all.
We have we have all these meaningful differences in our bodies, in
our genes, they have profound physical consequences.
Now suddenly the doctors, the the so-called experts are denying those things
and they're using the same rationale as the Christians.
As we've said before, that should really concern you because they're going
to get people killed by lying.
Lies cause harm.
They always cause harm.
And the fact that doctors are now lying about Tay Sachs and
they're lying about sickle cell anemia is done in the name of
anti-racism. It's saying, well, we can't possibly dis differentiate or distinguish, so
we must say we're all the same.
And then you have people suffering and dying from genetic diseases that
are derived specifically from their race because a doctor will say, well,
you're human.
I I can't tell.
There's there you have no specific risk profile.
You're just a human being.
that's a lie that does harm and it's a moral matter.
these things are moral matters.
They're not simply scientific inquiry.
We've danced a little bit around a point that I should probably
make more explicit.
When it comes to the percentage of your DNA that comes from
certain ancestors ancestors, if you have
very little DNA from someone who is seven or eight generations back,
and that could very likely be the case, you are still so
long as all of those individuals married within your particular ethnic group
related to the other people in your ethnic group in a web
of relations.
Because of course there is a great pool of shared genetic material
in that particular group.
And so you will be more related to any randomly chosen member
of that group than a member of another group somewhere else in
the world.
And so, for instance,
if you are descended from
the Dutch.
Living in the US, you're descended from the Dutch.
If you went to the Netherlands, you would be more related to
any random Dutchman you found than if you were to go to
Africa and pick anyone in Africa.
And this shows up in a couple places in the same sort
of vein as the medical issues.
If you are descended from Japheth, which is to say if you
are white, if you are European, and you marry someone from Africa,
which is to say someone descended from ham, your children are effectively
not related to you.
Because their DNA is so different from yours that you are more
closely related to any random person from your nation of origin than
you are to your own child.
And the reason this starts to cause problems is because if you
need a bone marrow transplant or an organ transplant or any of
a number of treatments, you will not be compatible.
The odds of you being a compatible donor for your child are
basically zero.
The odds of you finding a compatible donor are also extremely low.
So there are very real consequences of this in the real world.
This is not something you can deny and just ignore it and
hope for the best.
Because if you ignore these things, there's a very real chance those
consequences will occur, and there's nothing you can do about it at
that point.
And so another issue for disease frequency is that you do actually
see more diseases crop up in those who have a mixed lineage
than those who do not.
And so that is a consideration for Christians, because what you have
from your ancestors is what was given to you by God.
And so you are supposed to pass that on to your children.
You can, through poor decisions, steal from the next generation through your
selfish decisions.
And that is a moral consideration.
And so these are things that Christians have to take into account.
We do not simply get to ignore this issue because it makes
us uncomfortable or because the world tells us that we should ignore
it. And we have this happening today, as was mentioned, as Wo
mentioned, we have doctors who will pretend that these problems don't exist,
that oh, there's no predictive ability of your genetic ancestry, of your
racial ancestry, and that's just a lie.
But we've actually moved on from that.
We're now on the next step, down or up the Marxist ladder,
whichever way you want to think of it, I guess down given
the destination.
We now have doctors and others denying the reality of sex.
And the reason for that is that, as said, it's just the
next step on the ladder.
It makes perfect sense in the Marxist timeline, in their plan, to
go from denying the reality of human race to denying the reality
of sex.
Because if you're not really any particular race, you don't have an
ethnic origin, that's genetic.
Well, so is sex.
Sex is also genetically determined, again.
Women have two X chromosomes, men have an X and a Y.
And we see this coming up in the medical field and others
where there are doctors now who recommend a scan for ovarian cancer
for a man who's claiming to be a woman
or they won't do a check for prostate cancer in a man
who's claiming to be a woman.
Biology doesn't care what you claim to be.
If you are a man, if you were born a man, you
have a prostate, and you can get prostate cancer, and odds are
you will, if you live long enough.
So that is something for which you have to screen.
Because that is a biological reality.
The same plays out with regard to race.
There are biological realities that flow from race and have to be
considered, or real harm is caused.
As we mentioned earlier, none of this is a denial that we're
all the same species.
Uh one of the definitions of a species that's typically accepted taxonomically
for for any creature is the ability to interbreed.
If two creatures can reproduce viable offspring that themselves can reproduce.
They're typically considered that's one of the measures by which you determine
if it's the same species.
It is absolutely true that a European and an African can reproduce
and can reproduce viable offspring, which themselves can reproduce.
However, when you look at the fertility rates across all the various
populations
The peak fertility for how related you are to someone is actually
in about the fourth cousin.
So that's not simply talking about another white person, if you're European,
and it's not simply talking about another German.
It means, you know, if you're German, it means someone who lives
in the same town as you, probably, maybe the sex next town
over, but someone that you potentially would see at a family reunion.
Now a fourth cousin is a fairly distant cousin, but it's close
enough that you may well know their name, parti particularly if you're
blessed to live in a community which really doesn't exist anywhere where
you would keep in contact.
There's this theological import to the fact that fourth cousins have the
highest rate of fecundity.
That's not trivial.
Children are a blessing from God, and that which is blessed is
that which is most desirous from God.
He doesn't bless things that he finds to be evil, not in
the same way that he blesses things he finds to be good.
And so if fourth cousins are the peak fecundity, that what that
means is that if you marry a first or second cousin, you're
less likely to reproduce for any given event of marriage.
If you're looking at a sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth cousin or someone
who's a complete stranger from the other side of the world, the
fertility rate falls off significantly.
That's not random.
And I think one of the problems that humans have and Christians
have when dealing with questions of genetics is the question of randomness
because we can't see the inputs.
All we can see is behavior.
We can see a person A, person B, we can see their
behavior, and then we can see the app outcomes at sort of
a high level.
There's so much apparent randomness in what happens with genetic admixture that
is imperceptible to the human mind and in many cases simply un
incalculable, that we tend to disregard it as being inconsequential.
And I think that as Christians, the reality that we should focus
on is that God knows what's going on at these levels.
When God gave Adam 46 chromosomes, he knew the contents of every
single gene in there.
He knew all of it.
There are 30,000 odd genes.
He knew what was in each of them.
he chose them specifically for specific purposes.
When he brought Eve from out of Adam's body, Eve was a
fully formed woman.
What that meant was that she probably had in the order of
hundreds of thousands, maybe million or so eggs inside her body.
One thing that a lot of people don't know is that when
a little girl is born, she has as many eggs as she's
ever gonna have in her entire life.
Eggs are not reproduced during the life of a person.
They're produced at a a germ level in utero, and then they
die off throughout the person's life, the girl's life, and they're also
shed once ovulation begins.
And so a girl is born, she's conceived initially as something like
six or seven million of what could potentially become ova.
By the time of birth, there's about 300,000, give or take.
By the time
she begins to reach sexual maturity, she's lost about 10,000 of those
every month.
And then a one or two are shed every month through ovulation.
And then at menopause basically the system shuts down because the eggs
are based basically exhausted.
So there's a finite amount of them that God creates when he
creates life and then they're depleted.
And that's the end of a girl's reproductive life.
It's not the end of her life, but it's the end of
her life as someone who can potentially reproduce.
Men sort of work in the opposite direction.
We don't really begin producing sperm until puberty And then we produce
millions a day until long after we're likely to ever be reproducing.
And so God has architected our bodies in different ways to achieve
his ends.
But it seems random to us.
It's not random to God.
And so the fact that fourth cousins are the most likely to
be blessed by reproducing successfully is itself, I believe, in a theological
conclusion. It points to the fact that marrying not only within your
own race, like we're not just talking about white people marry white
people, Asians marry Asians.
It's a question of as Corey said, how closely related are you
to someone?
Because when you're looking, if you need a bone marrow match or
a you know a kidney donor or something, it's not simply another
European that's going to do the job.
They're not closely related enough.
Because we said these are concentric circles.
You need someone who's has very similar ancestry to your own to
have the chance, you know, the random chance from a from a
human perspective, but it's not random, it's up to God.
All of these things are passed down through time and God acts
in time to produce each of us in a particular way.
You know, I'm about seventy five percent English, give or take, and
about 20% German.
So someone else with a similar ancestry is my relative.
If you know if they came from Kent and they came from
Saxony, we're closely related, more so than someone, you know, even someone
who might be Spanish.
I would be more closely to related to a random Englishman who
was twenty percent Dutch than to a Spaniard, by virtue of the
fact that these things group over time and tend to cluster.
And
again, if if you've listened to us thus far, at no point
have we said anything hateful other than saying that human beings are
created by God differently.
And the fact that the world is now saying that that itself
is hateful should be a cause for great concern for Christians because
it flies in the face of scripture.
It flies flies in the face of the truth of what we
discover when we look at these facts Why is that lie so
important? Because when Satan authored it, he had something in mind.
And when Christians are parroting that lie, we need to be more
wily and more concerned about what the final goal of such a
lie is.
And when we repeat them, when we say it's just skin color,
skins is it's only skin deep, one race the human race, these
these bumper sticker tropes that make people feel better.
And maybe it's a good way to tamp down some disagreement that
people two people have in the moment.
And you say, look, it you know, this is a Noah family
reunion, you guys need just get along.
People should get along.
They should get along peacefully, but it shouldn't be done in terms
that cause us to have to lie to get there.
That's not what God desires.
He desires us to be peaceful, even in the face of things
that are maybe not desirable, but we don't lie to get there.
And when we lie about race, as Corey said, it's an attack
on the creator.
If you lie about how you were created, you were lying about
he who created you.
And he who created you is he who redeemed you.
And we'll talk a lot more about that in the second episode.
But again, these are these are theological questions that manifest in space
and time.
And the fact that they're all seen, particularly lately, through this Marxist
lens, where again they don't want to talk about what race is.
They just want to talk about it as a weapon.
We as Christians must get away from accepting their frame and looking
at the actual ground truth of these matters because fear failure to
do that is set setting us up for failure.
Because whatever lie you want to adopt, Satan has a step two
or a step three for that lie.
He knows what the next move is, even if we don't.
And that's why it's so important to guard ourselves up front against
not repeating some of these deceptions.
To go back for a second to something we said earlier, to
give people a a hard number since some will not be familiar
with this When we say that human beings, one human being to
another is going to be somewhere between ninety-eight and ninety-nine point nine
percent the same genetically, human beings have three billion base pairs, roughly,
in our genomes.
So a difference of one tenth of one percent is three million
base pairs.
This is not a trivial difference.
It sounds like a small difference until you realize the scale of
the thing about which we are talking.
And so when you're dealing with three billion base pairs, that one
tenth of one percent difference is significant, particularly given the rate of
mutations that occur over time.
When we talked about race being skin deep, there was a a
scientific scud study that was done about a year and a half
ago. It was uh done by someone, a doctor who was basically
employing what is called artificial intelligence uh to x-rays to make conclusions
related to healthcare outcomes, basically trying to determine with with a a
whole bunch of s of x-rays of people's chests and various other
body parts to make sure that as it was going through their
machinery that it would be giving them the desired outputs and not
undesirable ones.
And this person is diametrically opposed to us in terms of politics.
There in fact I I actually had trouble finding the thread earlier
today because the screenshot that I had of the thread was from
a Dr.
Luke, and now he's I think Dr.
Laura. This the guy who did this is now pretending to be
a woman.
So that gives you some idea where he is on the political
spectrum. And yet what he found in the paper that he and
some other authors did was that when they fed these x-rays into
their artificial intelligence algorithm, it was able to determine the race of
the patient, even when that was never the question asked.
Now the race that they were using wasn't anything based on genetics.
It was simply self-identified.
If the patient said on the form I'm white, I'm black, whatever,
that was what they correlated back to the images.
Now the important thing is that they never told the computer anything
about any of the racial data.
They just said, here are bunch of checks, chest x-rays, can you
divide them up?
What they found was that with a clear chest x-ray, the machinery,
the computer algorithm, with ninety-nine percent accuracy was able to determine if
someone was European, African, or Asian.
I'm gonna say that again.
Looking at a chest x-ray, the computer could tell if you were
European, African, or Asian.
No other information.
Now the authors completely freaked out because they're like, oh my god,
the computer's racist.
What do we do?
Because Because they were thinking the same thing a lot of you
were thinking, the race isn't real.
We're all one race, the human race.
And if these computers are finding this race stuff in these images,
we're in real trouble.
Now I said artificial intelligence, because that's the term that's used, but
it's really a nonsense term.
What these specific computer algorithms do is simply pattern matching.
They look at a collection of data, whether it's images or sounds
or whatever, and they measure the probability with which one thing is
likely to be similar to another.
So when I say pattern matching, when you match a pattern as
a person, maybe I show you a red ball and I show
you a blue ball and ask you are they the same?
And you would say, well, they're the same shape, but they're not
the same color.
What do you mean by same?
If I showed you a red ball and a red ball and
asked you are the same, the pattern would be, yeah, they're the
same. Maybe the size varies, but the shape and the color are
the same.
So when a human pattern matches, it's based on particularity.
Now we might generalize and just sort of a glance say, yeah,
those two things are similar.
The computers have no notion of ball.
They have no concept of ballness or colorness or any of the
other aptitudes, the other qualities of the thing.
All they're doing is saying image one is 83% consistent with image
two. And that's literally it.
So when they fed these chest x-rays and all the other x-rays
into the hopper, it didn't know what an x-ray was, it didn't
know what a skeleton was, it didn't know what a human was.
All it knew was that some bones and some other bones.
And it was still able to divide them with 99% accuracy into
the bucket of European, African, and Asian.
Now if you individually have ever said race is only skin deep,
race is a social construct, how do you process that?
How do you deal with the fact that an X-ray can show
and it wasn't a full body x-ray, it wasn't a skeleton.
We'll get to skeletons in a moment.
But when you just show a portion of a individual's skeleton to
a machine, it's able to tell what race they were.
Part of the reason it was so shocking to the scientists was
they didn't know it was possible.
It was a completely shocking revelation because no X-ray tech has ever
been able to look at someone's chest x-ray, and I'd say, Yeah,
that's a black guy, that's a white guy.
it doesn't happen.
And yet the computer, because it was able to see things the
humans can't see, just in terms of statistical comparison, it said, yeah,
these three buckets exist.
and these three buckets have names the humans have given them, which
are races, major mate racial groups.
And the wildest part of this thing was that with perfectly clear
x-rays, they were able to do with 99% accuracy.
They also used degraded x-rays where they deleted more and more information,
basically down resing it.
So you're like if you have a 4K picture and you take
it down to HD and then you take it bound to like,
you know, imagine the original iPhone with like a three twenty by
two forty screen.
And you take it even smaller than that.
They found that the computer was still able to tell what the
race was, even with radically reduced resolution, which really blew their minds.
Because like, where is it getting the information?
And yet the consistent results were still over 90% accuracy.
So they took it a step further.
They took the original image that was high definition, but they began
to apply a random noise filter to it.
Now what that means is that they would randomly flip pixels, black
or white.
And so you what you got was just a gray fuzz.
They were able to fuzz it to the point that the images
themselves just look like gray squares.
So as a human being looking at it, not only we you
would know as an x-ray, you wouldn't be able to tell one
image from apart from the other apart, and yet the the algorithm
was still able to tell with ninety percent 90% accuracy that one
image came from an African, another came from a European, and a
third came from an Asian.
Now all this is to say is that race is so deeply
and inextricably linked inside our bodies that it manifests in ways that
we had no idea even even existed.
It wasn't until they fed all these images into the computer that
anyone had any idea you could tell from a chest x-ray or
a wrist x-ray what race someone was.
There there's never been any study that showed that before, which doesn't
say it's false.
It was an absolutely true discovery, but it was completely unexpected.
And was unexpected by people who were terrified.
The paper that they wrote was basically, oh my god, the computer's
racist. How do we lobotomize it?
Because again, if if there's one race, the human race, and yet
the computer is saying this guy is white, this guy is Asian,
If you deny race, you're going to be terrified of the fact
that the computer is reaching impermissible outcomes.
And so it was a cause for hysteria.
But I look at it and say, well, on one hand, it's
kind of surprising how much it was intrinsic, but on the other
hand, it's not surprising at all.
It's because we know, as we m as we pointed back in
the albino example, facial structure, skull structure is radically different There's there
are intrinsic aspects of human beings that are distinctly categorized by race
that have nothing to do with skin color, they have nothing to
do with anything except for after thousands of years of of variation,
of genetic variation, we've come out differently.
Which again is not a value judgment.
It's just saying that we're different in observable ways.
And as Christians, we should be able to say, yes, we're observed,
we're different in observable ways, without feeling that that threatens anyone's salvation
or that it threatens the gospel, because it absolutely doesn't.
What does threaten the gospel is lying about these things, and that
should be our chief concern.
So
it's interesting that a machine would be able to pick out race
from something that for a human being looking at it, it would
be effectively noise.
There would be essentially no signal there that would be discernible by
us, and that was just with chest x-rays.
Human beings can actually tell, trained human beings, obviously, can tell from
skeletons
the race and the the sex of someone.
Because there are very distinct formations, the way the skeleton is shaped,
different densities, all sorts of things that you can tell.
So you can tell the race and the sex of someone from
a skeleton alone.
And we see this all the time.
This is done all the time by anthropologists, by archaeologists, by those
who are studying ancient civilizations, if you dig up a skeleton and
you have the training, you can definitively say that was a European
male between these ages.
And so
obviously yes, a computer can do this as well, because a computer
can do it from an x-ray that's downgraded to the point of
being noise, but it's just further refutation of those who would try
to say that skin color is race or that race is skin
color, that it's skin deep.
It's not.
There are fundamental differences.
And you can see that in the skeletal structure, you can see
that in the biology, you can see that in we'll get into
in later episodes, behavior and other things.
Race is a fundamental part of human nature, and that is by
God's design.
Because of course human nature is God's design.
And in the case of skeletons being dug up, this is actually
an important part of forensics for police.
If they discover a skeleton in a field or something for a
person who's been dead for some time and there's no no longer
any distinguishing physical characteristics, they will call it call in these experts
who can clearly determine the race, the the sex.
And in case in some cases, you know, even the age and
perhaps the the sort of life that the person led.
One of the interesting things from anthropology when uh digging up older
skeletons is that they can tell, for example
or any any skeleton really, they can tell what sort of childhood
and upbringing you had.
They can determine the rate of your uh your nutrition.
Were you being fed well?
Were you being underfed?
They can tell if you led an active physical lifestyle.
So if someone was engaged in strenuous physical activity, particularly as they
are going through puberty, that actually affects your glow growth plates.
So your bones will look different than someone who led a more
sedentary life.
Which in the case of history will tend to indicate what cast
someone fell into, what class.
You know, were they a laborer?
Were they a warrior?
Were they, you know, someone who lived in a castle and maybe
they they did those things for fun or for training, but not
because it was life and death.
So all of these things are manifest in our physical bodies and
they're left long after our skin is gone.
And this too has been become controversial recently.
I was reading an account earlier today from a girl who was
I believe she was teaching a class related to the study of
bones dug up by police to identify victims.
And the professor who was supervising the class and the students lost
their minds when she did when she said that you can tell
the race of someone by their skeleton.
they went into a frenzy.
They were so upset at the idea that you could tell the
race of a person without looking at their skin color.
Now that's not the response of someone pursuing an academic truth.
That's not the response of someone who
has in their mind, I want to learn what is real.
That's a religious response.
When you say something and people weep and they gnash their teeth
and they tear their clothes and they howl, that is religious.
That is a religious response to hearing blasphemy.
And we're doing this episode because it's blasphemous, not against God, but
discussing race in these realistic terms is absolutely blasphemous to the spirit
of this modern age, which for a while again said yes race
was real when they were talking about evolution, but now that they're
trying to collapse all of humanity back before the power tower of
Babel into a s single seething mass of ind undifferentiated humanity with
neither sex nor race nor any distinguishing characteristics apart from being a
consumer. The spirit of this age is in opposition to telling the
truth about the truth about these things now.
And unfortunately, most Christians are behind the eight-ball because we have not
seriously engaged in the question because of the origins of some of
the things.
Yeah, we've we've talked many times about the genealogy of ideas, and
I've tried to focus when we when we discuss that on the
genealogy is not simply from whence it came, but what was the
original motivation of whoever was coming up with it.
Now, race has always been understood by human beings.
It's found throughout scripture.
We've talked about that in the two previous episodes I mentioned.
The differentiation between the races has become greater and greater over time
as we as we left Mount Anarat and finally filled the earth
as God commanded.
There's far more diversity genetically today than there was five hundred years
after Mount Ararat, because as Corey's mentioning, that's simply how mutation works.
And that is how the migration of these genes back and forth
among people as they reproduce works.
That's not contrary to God's plan.
And you can see in Revelation 7:9 that all the nations are
gathered around the throne.
And when John was looking at them, he could tell what race
they were.
He could tell that they were from the various nations.
So that that goes back to the the Gnostic element of this
denial of the flesh.
It is fundamentally Gnostic for us to say, oh, we're all just
spirits. Well we'll get a new body that won't be anything like
this body we have now.
That's utterly blasphemous.
God created you personally exactly as He intended you to be.
Now, what came out of your mother's womb is indeed injured by
sin and by degradation.
When God raises us from the dead, all of those degradations, all
of the genetic deformities, all the defects will be washed away.
Nothing will be present that isn't perfect.
But the imperfections that are washed away will not include the race
that we are, because that is absolutely a part of God's perfect
plan. It's part of the plan in Acts seventeen twenty six, when
he describes the nations being given the boundaries of their dwelling places,
and it's present in Revelation seven nine before the throne of God,
when all the nations of the world, of every color, of every
appearance, of every language, gather before the throne of God, which means
that they are perfected in the languages and the physical bodies that
they were given in this life.
The race that you're given is the race that you will always
be. And if you despise that
you need to be seriously concerned because if you're despising how God
created you, the damned are resurrected too.
there's no annihilationism in scripture.
Every dead man will be raised on the last day.
And the sheep are then separated from the goats.
So those who deny their race and deny their creator as a
result of it and deny the resurrection of the body by saying,
Well, I'm not going to be raised as a white man or
as a a Japanese man or as a Ugandan.
I'm just going to be raised as as something new.
You're flirting with damnation.
And God will sort that out.
I'm not I'm not saying that you're not saved if you say
those things, but I am saying that you are saying to God,
I hate what you made, I want to be something different.
That is not a confession that any of us should seek to
take before the throne of God.
When Christ died for each of us and his blood covers our
sins and washes our robes white in his blood, that is for
every man who has ever descended from Adam, but only the robes
of those who confess Christ will receive that.
And confessing Christ means confessing how He created us.
We were created through Him, we were redeemed through Him, we will
be resurrected with him.
And if we take a hatred of self and a hatred of
creation to judgment day, that's a sin that we need to repent
for as well.
And denial of race and denial of these truths is a sin,
even though there are some who use these truths for evil ends,
that does not make the truths themselves evil, that makes the truths
themselves truth.
truth can be a weapon.
Truth can do harm or it can do good.
But you do not solve the harm that can be done by
a truth by denying that it's true.
And as Christians, we have no choice but to engage first in
truth and then to approach and love all that which is true.
So as the future episodes come and we go into more detail
on the spiritual aspects of this, I want everyone to keep in
mind that this is not some sideshow.
We can see in the world how much race matters to Satan.
And if it matters to Satan, it must matter to Christians.
And until we've done this episode, I'm not aware of any serious
discussion among Christians that had any depth or clarity that would address
these issues in a way that's going to be blasphemous to the
world, but yet consistent with scripture.
And I hope that there will be more Christians who will begin
to study and think and engage in this way, because
I think that the time is growing short for the church.
And I think that we should be prepared to give a defense
for everything, including creation itself.
Uh so I'd encourage everyone to please look at the show notes,
look at the uh all the different links we'll have there.
This is probably gonna have more than most.
Uh I would like to mention one of the s websites that
we're gonna link to is from uh an old friend from Twitter,
Thultide. He's not a Christian.
He is an old earth evolutionist, so many of the things that
he says you will find offensive for some of the conclusions.
The reason that we're going to link to him is that he's
honest. There are some things that are said within the right wing
sphere on Twitter that are based on race that he will also
refute to the right when it doesn't agree with the facts.
I don't know his background, but I can tell from reading him
for many years.
He's a very smart guy and he really knows his stuff.
And so we're going to link to him because he has a
number of one oh one articles that go down some of the
fallacies are involved in this subject.
Many things you you may well believe now.
We've refuted a few of them, but there are plenty of others.
So as you look at that again, I would encourage you to
try to separate the wheat from the traff.
There will be things on the webpage that I will I will
tell you right now, some of the conclusions, particularly around the timelines,
saying that these things took hundreds of thousands of years.
Those are false.
That does not mean that the data itself is false.
And so as you look through it, I hope that you'll find
some value as a Christian in synthesizing what you know from scripture
from the facts that are found within your own body.
Because those pages are about you too.
They're about the stuff that's inside you.
They're how God made you.
They're how God made each of us.
And that's something that we should know about and we should give
thanks for.
And we cannot deny.
And so it is because of our love and our thanks for
God and how He's done these things in our lives, that we're
doing these episodes because it's a challenging subject.
And frankly, just discussing race is enough for people to try to
dox and destroy you.
As recording this right now there's a massive campaign to dox us
and to get us expelled from our churches for saying these things,
which are not hateful, they're simply truthful.
But the fact that that elicits so much hate, I think, is
itself that this is a really big deal for Satan.
And as Christians, it needs to be a something that we at
least give due consideration as well, because souls are on the line.
Yes, as we record, I know there are people who are attempting
to harass my pastor.
But at any rate, to address an issue that I know will
come up for some people, there's the question of how Marxism plays
into this.
Because I know some will think well Marxists deny that race is
real, and that's true, they do that today.
But you have to realize, as we mentioned in previous episodes, you
can go back to the immediately previous episode, Marxism is a mercenary
ideology. It is ends seeking.
It has no actual core when it comes to principles or anything
like that.
And so there is no standard to which you can hold it.
It has a goal in mind, and it will do whatever it
takes to reach that goal.
Of course, the goal is unobtainable.
It's a utopia, which for those who know a little bit of
Greek know that utopia means not a place.
That's why it's a joke.
But the early Marxist theorists, including Marx, were all very firmly in
the race realist camp.
I have a number of quotes here I'm looking at from Marx,
and he at the very least addresses the German, the Jewish, and
I will say the African, because I am not going to use
the word that he did races.
And so you have race realism from them in the beginning, and
you have an explicit argument from the Marxist theorists that you have
to destroy these distinctions.
Because the goal is a creation of an undifferentiated global humanity without
borders, without differences, all of one class, of course, this is all
impossible to achieve, but that's the goal, and because it's what we
said earlier in the episode, in this episode, it's Babel.
They want to remake Babel.
Their goals are wicked and they will do whatever it takes to
get there.
Early on they affirm the races because they won't have to affirm
the reality in order to argue that they need to be destroyed.
Now that they have made some progress toward the ends of destruction,
they argue they don't exist, and so you shouldn't do anything.
that recognizes that you have a racial identity, that you're a member
of a nation, because they want to deny the reality of God's
good creation and restore the wickedness of Babel.
That is the end goal.
The end goal is rebellion against God and subversion.
That is what all of this is, and that is why we
are discussing the issue.
We discuss these issues because Christians have to know where the battlefield
is and what is being fought, the issues over which we are
actually fighting.
Because if you're standing on a different battlefield where the enemy isn't
there, it doesn't matter what you do.
You've lost.
Because the enemy is attacking the other side of the city.
And that is why we will keep harping on issues like this.
We will keep addressing these issues because these are the things that
are important.
If they do not get addressed, if Christians do not realize the
reality of what is happening, of what the enemy is doing, then
it doesn't matter how true you believe you are being, to scripture,
to the faith, to God, because you are not opposing the things
that Satan is attacking, you are not defending where Satan is attacking
you. And that is what we want Christians to do.
The church has to be defended.
That is one of the duties of a Christian man is to
defend the church, to defend his family.
And you cannot do that if you do not understand the enemy,
if you do not know when the enemy is going to attack
and where he is attacking.
That is why we address these issues.
We don't address the issue because we're obsessed with it, because we
find it particularly interesting or anything like that.
If not for the fact that the enemy is attacking here, we
probably wouldn't dedicate any time to this stuff.
But because the enemy is attacking it, because Christians are caught unaware,
that is why we are addressing these issues.
And so we need you to listen carefully to what it is
we're saying and what it is we are not saying, to read
through the materials in the show notes if you need the additional
context. And yes, if you still have questions, please do send those.
We are reading them.
We do, we know we have a backlog of them.
We will address them as we have time and as they come
up. But it is important for Christians to understand
what is going on in the world.
You are not called simply to be as harmless as a dove,
but also to be as wise as a serpent.
And this is part of that.
So pay careful attention, do your homework, and ask questions.