WEBVTT 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:39.600 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:40.480 I am Corey J. 00:00:40.720 --> 00:00:48.320 Mahler. And I'm still woe. 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.280 On this episode of Stone Choir, we're going to be doing something 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.120 that we have not done previously. 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:56.960 We were asked by the folks at Antelope Hill if they would 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.880 discuss one of their publications with us, a book that they've published. 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:02.080 And we're happy to do that. 00:01:02.160 --> 00:01:05.280 Uh it's not something anyone's ever asked us to do before. 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:06.880 Uh I'm excited about it. 00:01:06.880 --> 00:01:09.600 Uh it's uh it was a very interesting book to read. 00:01:09.600 --> 00:01:10.800 I was happy to read it. 00:01:10.800 --> 00:01:14.560 It's kind of funny looking at the table of contents and then 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:15.760 reading through it. 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:18.640 I it's in a lot of ways it's kind of a an 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:23.200 overview of much of the content that Stone Choir has covered in 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.080 our first year of producing this c podcast. 00:01:26.080 --> 00:01:30.080 So I I think that the specific subject of today's book, which 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:34.560 is titled The Sword of Christ by Giles Corey, very much dovetails 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.360 with kind of the home turf for Stone Choir. 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:40.160 Uh today with us also for the first time we have a 00:01:40.160 --> 00:01:43.920 guest from the editorial team at uh Antelope Hill. 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:47.200 So uh if you just introduce yourself and your company, I'm curious 00:01:47.360 --> 00:01:50.880 how did you come to reach out to us and how did 00:01:50.880 --> 00:01:53.440 you come to publish this book in particular and why do you 00:01:53.440 --> 00:01:54.800 think it'd be a good fit? 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.520 Certainly. So uh my name is Taylor. 00:01:57.520 --> 00:02:00.880 I'm part of the editorial team at Antelope Hill. 00:02:00.880 --> 00:02:05.120 That's kind of a long question, but we we publish the book 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.080 because it we find that that it fits our mission. 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:11.520 and um we were started about three years ago now we just 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:18.000 recently celebrated our third birthday with the intention of making available books 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:22.720 that are difficult to obtain or censored or ones that just aren't 00:02:22.720 --> 00:02:28.160 available in English and specifically in the the um rightist political tradition 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.760 and that have to do with the philosophy and history of Europe 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.520 and its diaspora. 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:38.240 So that's where it started and and since then we've really in 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:42.880 in our based on our expectations we've been um amazingly successful in 00:02:42.880 --> 00:02:46.560 the kinds of works that we've been able to translate as well 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.400 as the kinds of uh authors that we've been able to inspire 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:51.840 to come publish with us. 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.280 So I I personally don't remember exactly how this one ended up 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.000 with us, but as soon as we got it, we I was 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.400 actually one of the people who reviewed it initially and I was 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.560 very, very interested. 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:06.160 So you know, within kind of our our mission statement, we'll we'll 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:07.200 publish different authors. 00:03:07.200 --> 00:03:12.240 We've published uh uh Protestant authors, Catholic authors, secular authors as well. 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.320 Um But it you know, as long as it contributes toward that 00:03:16.320 --> 00:03:21.920 goal of of making available books that have important um ideas and 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:27.920 important facts and that can make a contribution to understanding the history 00:03:27.920 --> 00:03:31.280 and uh contributing to the current struggle of our people, then it's 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:32.960 something we're interested in. 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:39.680 So me personally, I uh I'm a Protestant in the Calvinist tradition. 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:40.000 So 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:45.040 for that I actually don't remember I maybe I shouldn't admit this, 00:03:45.040 --> 00:03:47.200 but I don't remember off the top of my head if uh 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.080 um Giles Corey necessarily approaches this this book from a specific um 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.280 uh Christian tradition and and what it is. 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:58.480 But I mean I think that's that recommends it in some ways 00:03:58.720 --> 00:04:02.160 because um the topics he deals with are relevant to all of 00:04:02.160 --> 00:04:04.720 Christendom and all of uh Christian history, especially 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:07.280 European and white Christian history. 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.000 So in a lot of ways it is exactly the kind of 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.920 book that I've always thought should exist, one that deals uh very 00:04:13.920 --> 00:04:19.920 specifically with issues like Christian Zionism and uh addresses the interaction between 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.320 ethno nationalism and Christianity and kind of is intended as a weapon 00:04:24.320 --> 00:04:29.120 to help us come to grips with the extreme liberalization that's taken 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.120 place uh in the church. 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.640 And as to uh why I'm here, well, I mean I was 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:38.240 I've been aware of you guys and your podcast for a while 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.400 now, uh back when I um had a Twitter account before uh 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.400 Elon banned me again. 00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:46.720 Um I've followed you guys. 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.840 I checked out a couple of the podcasts and I just thought 00:04:49.840 --> 00:04:52.720 that honestly it would be something that I think like you said 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:56.000 would be interesting to you and your audience just based off of 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.200 how similar it is to uh what you guys talk about. 00:04:59.200 --> 00:05:02.400 So very happy and very grateful to have the opportunity to come 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:04.480 on here and uh share it with you guys. 00:05:05.280 --> 00:05:06.480 We appreciate your time. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.520 And uh I've I was taking a look through the catalog from 00:05:09.520 --> 00:05:10.320 Antelope Hill. 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.600 your name has come up for I think pretty much since you 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.200 came on the scene. 00:05:15.200 --> 00:05:17.760 And it's very an interesting collection. 00:05:17.760 --> 00:05:21.040 Obviously, as you said, you know, most the vast majority of the 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:25.360 books I think are focused specifically on politics and there tends to 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.720 be at least cursorly it looks like there was a lot of 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:32.640 focus around kind of the history of fascism and and things around 00:05:32.640 --> 00:05:35.920 that in the twentieth century, which is valuable because that's one of 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.080 those things that's such a a dirty word. 00:05:38.080 --> 00:05:40.800 You know, people use it as an epithet, but no one can 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:41.600 define it. 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:46.080 And so I'm very grateful that you've produced and published and reprinted 00:05:46.080 --> 00:05:49.280 a number of works that you know, or just in many cases 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.240 from the men who were on the ground in those days. 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.720 So I would I would commend folks who are listening. 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.080 We'll obviously put a link in the show notes to this book. 00:05:58.080 --> 00:06:00.960 And I I should say up front, uh we're not getting paid 00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:01.600 anything for this. 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:02.800 We want nothing for it. 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:04.640 They asked and so we're happy to do it. 00:06:04.640 --> 00:06:07.760 Um I think that's probably the approach we'll always take. 00:06:07.760 --> 00:06:11.600 I mean this is a a fringe podcast that has no monetary 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:12.480 value really. 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.360 And so I honestly would not not want to be in a 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:19.680 situation where I wanted someone's commercial success to be hinged to what 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:21.360 people thought of our podcast. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.560 So in the future, you know, with this or anything else we 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.520 ever do or refer, if if we're going to get anything from 00:06:27.520 --> 00:06:31.200 it, we'll tell you, we'll be transparent, but this is just entirely 00:06:31.200 --> 00:06:35.120 because it's such a great uh there's so much synergy between again 00:06:35.200 --> 00:06:38.160 the the topic of this book and what Ann Lopel is trying 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:38.640 to do. 00:06:38.640 --> 00:06:42.080 I wanna just briefly read the introduction to the book because it 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.040 it is really in a lot of ways almost kind of one 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.560 of the underlying mission statements of Stone Choir as well. 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.240 Uh this is from the the preface by Giles Corey. 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.560 The hatred for Christianity on the right truly pains me. 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:58.480 This is the reason that I wrote this book. 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.920 I fully understand the hatred, for as I argue in my introductory 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:05.840 essay, there's very little to praise about organized Christianity today. 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:09.840 If anything, organized Christianity, includes the Catholic Church and each of the 00:07:09.840 --> 00:07:14.720 Protestant denominations, has indeed become yet another instrument of white genocide. 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:18.400 Organized Christianity has capitulated and bent the knee to Satan's coalition of 00:07:18.400 --> 00:07:21.840 the damned, thereby turning its back on our Lord and Savior Jesus 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:26.000 Christ. I despise the organized Christianity too for this reason. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.360 But usurped though the mantle of the church may be, that is 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.280 no reason to simply abandon the faith. 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:33.680 So many of us who observe the collapse of the church into 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:38.240 anti white leftism have been led to the facile conclusion that Christianity 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:39.760 itself is irredeemable. 00:07:39.760 --> 00:07:40.720 It isn't. 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.640 Christianity does not even need redemption, for our faith remains what it 00:07:44.640 --> 00:07:45.360 has always been. 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:49.760 The Pharisaical teachers of false doctrine, whom we witness on parade today, 00:07:49.760 --> 00:07:53.200 simply are not Christians, no matter what they may say. 00:07:53.200 --> 00:07:57.920 Remember Paul's warning, for such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves 00:07:58.400 --> 00:08:02.080 into the apostles of Christ, and no marvel, for Satan himself is 00:08:02.080 --> 00:08:04.000 transformed into an angel of light. 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.600 Therefore it is no great thing if the ministers also be transformed 00:08:07.760 --> 00:08:11.840 as the ministers of righteousness, whose ends shall be according to their 00:08:11.840 --> 00:08:14.000 works from Second Corinthians eleven. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:15.760 And he continues on the next page. 00:08:15.760 --> 00:08:20.000 The same sense of illiteracy lies behind the more absurd contention that 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.480 Christianity is some far off life denying suicidal Jewish psyop. 00:08:24.640 --> 00:08:28.000 First, if this was true, why after nearly two thousand years did 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.640 organized Christianity only betray its race and civilization in the twentieth century 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:36.080 after the Jewish coup that was accomplished in no small part by 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:40.000 the creation and promotion of the heresy of Christian Zionism. 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.760 So that's really kind of the the thesis of the book itself. 00:08:43.760 --> 00:08:49.520 I do take issue with the phrase organized religion, organized Christianity. 00:08:49.520 --> 00:08:53.200 That's a modern term that emerged in the 20th century, really as 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.440 things were starting to go to pot. 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.520 But I think he's absolutely correct when he recognizes that when those 00:08:59.520 --> 00:09:04.160 on the right who are not Christian critique Christianity, they're only looking 00:09:04.560 --> 00:09:08.640 at what it is now and not what has been for 1900 00:09:08.640 --> 00:09:12.400 years. And so I'm in complete agree with the author that them 00:09:12.560 --> 00:09:14.800 that's a thesis of Stone Choir as well. 00:09:14.800 --> 00:09:16.000 Christianity doesn't change. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.960 So if we have problems today caused by doctrine changing, that's what 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:22.080 we need to fix. 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:26.400 And personally, I think that it's it's one of the weaknesses that 00:09:26.400 --> 00:09:30.160 a lot of modern discourse has from the pagan right, you have 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:34.160 folks saying, Well, Christianity did this and then there are folks who 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:37.360 who agree with the author and say, Well, that's only the organized 00:09:37.520 --> 00:09:40.080 portion. That's just like denominations or whatever. 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.800 I don't take that view and I uh to be clear, when 00:09:42.800 --> 00:09:46.480 when we go through this and we level criticisms and critiques of 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.560 some of the things, it's in no way saying it's a bad 00:09:48.560 --> 00:09:49.760 book, it's a really good book. 00:09:49.760 --> 00:09:52.880 And in particular, I just wanted to highlight this up front because 00:09:52.880 --> 00:09:56.800 it doesn't really color his actual conclusions or his arguments, but it's 00:09:56.800 --> 00:09:59.280 a term that he uses that we hear a lot and uh 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:01.680 you had mentioned earlier you weren't sure if he came from a 00:10:01.680 --> 00:10:03.440 particular denominational background. 00:10:03.680 --> 00:10:05.520 he never says this at any point in the book. 00:10:05.520 --> 00:10:10.480 Um he does speak favorably of uh Eastern Orthodoxy, but I didn't 00:10:10.400 --> 00:10:12.880 get the sense that he was Eastern Orthodox. 00:10:12.880 --> 00:10:15.680 But again, it it's immaterial to the book. 00:10:15.680 --> 00:10:19.200 So this is this is why we're all here. 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:23.920 I want the future of our people to be a Christian future. 00:10:23.920 --> 00:10:27.360 And I want to be one where our people are intact, where 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:28.560 our race is intact. 00:10:28.560 --> 00:10:31.920 And I'm very thankful that Antelope Pillis published this book because you 00:10:31.920 --> 00:10:34.480 know, not many of the books are, even if some are by 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:39.920 Christian authors, they're not overtly about Christian subjects, which is fine. 00:10:39.920 --> 00:10:43.120 But part of the reason that Corey and I started Stone Choir 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.880 was to inject Christian discussions from informed Christian men 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:52.080 into a space where it's largely absent and most of what we 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.200 do see from Christian men is completely disastrous. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.680 So I that's that's just the introduction of the book and I 00:10:57.680 --> 00:11:00.880 think it's a very good introduction to what it is we're going 00:11:00.880 --> 00:11:02.880 to be talking about here today. 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:08.160 From reading through the book and really looking at the citations or 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:12.160 the references and also the ones that were not included notably, I 00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:16.560 get the general sense that he is reformed of some variety. 00:11:16.560 --> 00:11:20.480 Although I couldn't necessarily say that I know which particular one, but 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.000 that would be my takeaway as to which tradition to which he 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.080 belongs. However, that's not really what comes through in the book. 00:11:28.160 --> 00:11:32.480 He's not making a specific argument for any particular Christian tradition, which 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:37.280 is why when I hear a critique of organized religion or organized 00:11:37.280 --> 00:11:41.760 Christianity, I really hear echoes of point twenty four of the twenty 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:47.280 five point program of the National Socialists, the notorious one as it 00:11:47.280 --> 00:11:51.440 were about positive Christianity, because it's the same general sense. 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:57.520 It's opposition to the corrupted and subverted churches of the day as 00:11:57.520 --> 00:12:00.640 organizations. So organizational in that sense. 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:05.440 I wouldn't take it to mean necessarily that organized Christianity is a 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.680 problem. I don't think that he's advocating that. 00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:10.080 I know that there are those who do advocate that, and that's 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.640 wrong. The church is an organization. 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:14.320 The church has always been an organization. 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:19.600 The church will always be an organization The fact that the modern 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:25.920 organizational church, the various corporate entities, have been subverted, does not mean 00:12:25.920 --> 00:12:29.280 that the organization of the church is the problem. 00:12:29.280 --> 00:12:31.600 And I'm not saying that he's arguing that, I don't believe that 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:32.640 he is. 00:12:32.640 --> 00:12:36.800 It's the same sort of problem that was faced in the previous 00:12:36.800 --> 00:12:40.560 century, where the church had also been subverted, not to the same 00:12:40.560 --> 00:12:45.280 degree as today, certainly the churches today have have been more subverted, 00:12:45.280 --> 00:12:49.360 Satan has had more time to perfect the same sort of subversion, 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.880 really. It's not even of a different kind. 00:12:52.880 --> 00:12:55.040 It's just taken to a different degree. 00:12:55.040 --> 00:12:56.560 It's taken to a different level. 00:12:56.560 --> 00:12:58.960 Because again, he's had more time to perfect it and he has 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:02.160 more men working for him now, unfortunately. 00:13:02.160 --> 00:13:06.240 But as for the the book itself, I I also would recommend 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:06.960 it. It is a good book. 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:08.160 It is worth reading. 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:11.120 I will note, we did get our copies for free, so that 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:11.200 is 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.880 in so far as there's any sort of incentive we had we 00:13:14.880 --> 00:13:18.000 got a copy for free, but that's for us that's not an 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.120 incentive. I would have bought the book anyway. 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.680 And quite frankly, if we got a book for free and didn't 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.640 like it we would tell you that because well that's just the 00:13:26.640 --> 00:13:27.440 sort of people we are. 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.880 I think everyone listening to this podcast knows by now that we're 00:13:30.880 --> 00:13:33.840 quite comfortable saying that a book is not good if it's not 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.760 good. In this case, of course. 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.040 We're not famous for mincing words. 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.040 Uh no, that's I don't think anyone tunes in to hear us 00:13:43.040 --> 00:13:45.680 add nuance. 00:13:45.680 --> 00:13:48.480 When it comes to this book, there are obviously there are some 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.160 things with which we are going to disagree, particularly as 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:58.000 it's not even necessarily particularly as Lutherans, but may maybe as Megisterial 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.480 Protestants there will be a handful of things, but he doesn't really 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:06.000 get into specifics of denominational distinctive, say, or any of that. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:07.920 That's not the point of the book. 00:14:07.920 --> 00:14:12.560 The general points, the general chapter and section headings are things with 00:14:12.560 --> 00:14:16.160 which any Christian should be able to agree. 00:14:16.160 --> 00:14:18.400 And the same holds for 00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:22.640 almost all of his concluding points in the last bit he has 00:14:22.640 --> 00:14:24.880 eight points that he goes through. 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.080 The main parts of the book are the Christian question, so Christianity 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.960 as it relates to the to the West, as it relates to 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:33.680 the white race. 00:14:33.680 --> 00:14:35.920 Is Christianity a positive? 00:14:35.920 --> 00:14:37.920 Is Christianity a negative? 00:14:37.920 --> 00:14:40.800 That's relevant for all Christians, as relevant for anyone living in the 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:43.120 West. It's relevant for anyone who is white. 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:47.120 And then then there's of course the heresy of Christian Zionism. 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:47.760 We would agree. 00:14:47.760 --> 00:14:49.360 That's how we would phrase that. 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.400 Incidentally, that's one of the things where we have not yet done 00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:52.960 an episode. 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.720 We've discussed it, it's come up tangentially. 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.600 But we will do an episode on that. 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.480 We will try to do it in the near future because obviously 00:15:02.800 --> 00:15:06.400 for various reasons it is quite relevant today. 00:15:06.400 --> 00:15:10.080 And as we go down the list, there all of these things 00:15:10.640 --> 00:15:15.680 are salient issues in the church today with which any Christian any 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.080 I'm just going to say any Christian, I'd say any Christian on 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.640 our side, but there are no Christians on the other side. 00:15:20.640 --> 00:15:25.040 So any Christian should be able to agree with these things. 00:15:25.040 --> 00:15:29.920 And yes, we're going to have some minor differences, and perhaps dare 00:15:29.920 --> 00:15:34.880 I use the word nuance, but by and large, this is a 00:15:34.880 --> 00:15:38.640 good book for an overview of many of the things we have 00:15:38.640 --> 00:15:43.920 been discussing on various episodes during the course of the past year, 00:15:43.920 --> 00:15:48.240 and just in general things that are relevant to the political right, 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.480 specifically with regard to Christianity. 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:57.120 His mission statement talks about how those who carry the false doctrines 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:00.160 that he talks about simply are not Christians. 00:16:00.160 --> 00:16:03.120 And when I was reading the book, that really stood out to 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.000 me because it echoed something that I had experienced a lot. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.680 I've I've been a Christian my whole life. 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.040 Um I used to be a lot more uh a Pentecostal, kind 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:17.120 of came from that branch, uh guess you would say. 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.560 And obviously there's you know, we can all understand there's a lot 00:16:20.560 --> 00:16:26.960 of kind of temperamentally conservative or politically conservative Christians who you know 00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:32.240 they'll they'll see things like uh some denomination or like some some 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:37.280 church um out there will you know accept uh homosexuality or they'll 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:43.040 um accept uh um having gay uh clergy um or they'll promote 00:16:43.040 --> 00:16:44.800 black lives matter or something like that. 00:16:44.800 --> 00:16:45.760 And they'll um 00:16:46.800 --> 00:16:48.160 they'll reject it, of course. 00:16:48.160 --> 00:16:52.320 They they'll say that that's wrong and and they'll say, well, those 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.400 people just aren't Christians. 00:16:54.400 --> 00:16:58.320 And in my experience, what they mean when they say that is 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:02.480 it's it's a dismissal of the fact that there's any battle to 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.000 be fought at all, basically. 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.200 It's just saying, well, I'm I'm saying in my mind to myself 00:17:07.280 --> 00:17:11.280 that like this person just doesn't count as uh as a Christian, 00:17:11.280 --> 00:17:13.040 and therefore I don't have to worry about it. 00:17:13.040 --> 00:17:14.960 And it's it's not my problem. 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.400 Um and it's probably also just comes from a feeling of powerlessness 00:17:18.560 --> 00:17:23.360 because both politically and probably theologically that they don't feel like they 00:17:23.360 --> 00:17:27.840 have a theological justification for fighting it. 00:17:27.840 --> 00:17:28.160 Um 00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:33.440 so in in my mind, I think it is important for ordinary 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:38.640 Christians like that to understand that while it I obviously agree that, 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.400 you know, when you identify false doctrines, it's it's appropriate to say 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.280 that that at some point those people simply are not Christians because 00:17:45.280 --> 00:17:46.800 they are not living out Christianity. 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:50.000 At the same time, as I think the author recognizes, there is 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.120 such a thing as as just Christianity as a whole, as a 00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:56.720 phenomenon that's present in the culture and society. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.840 And if it it was pretty much what he discusses, at least 00:17:59.840 --> 00:18:02.320 in the the first part of the book, the way that it 00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:06.000 is um increasingly manifesting as an anti-white force. 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.880 I think it's just important to understand that that you know that 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.920 that is the perception that a lot of people have of Christianity. 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:17.120 When they when they think of Christianity, that that's the only reference 00:18:17.120 --> 00:18:18.640 point for it that they have. 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.400 Um and this really does call us to uh fight against that 00:18:22.560 --> 00:18:26.000 and to um reform it or you know destroy it or how 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:28.720 whatever um however you may want to put it. 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:32.640 Um but I think that in my own experience, this is a 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.360 question that I think is is very difficult for a lot of 00:18:35.360 --> 00:18:38.240 Christians to uh think about and grapple with. 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.520 And I think um again, one thing that I like about the 00:18:41.520 --> 00:18:45.120 book is how direct it is at addressing this and saying, well, 00:18:45.120 --> 00:18:47.280 you know, we're not rejecting the faith. 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:52.240 We are in fact embracing and uh putting forth the true faith. 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.480 Um and it is important to do this because that which calls 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:02.640 itself Christianity, that cultural manifestation, that cultural phenomenon that calls itself Christianity 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:07.520 is increasingly just has has absolutely nothing to do with what Christianity 00:19:07.520 --> 00:19:08.400 really is. 00:19:08.800 --> 00:19:09.040 Yeah, 00:19:09.040 --> 00:19:10.160 I agree completely. 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:14.080 It's necessary for faithful men to stand and fight where we are, 00:19:14.080 --> 00:19:18.560 wh whatever denomination that is in is these things come among us. 00:19:18.560 --> 00:19:20.080 We have to do something about it. 00:19:20.080 --> 00:19:21.680 We can't just you're right. 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.120 We can't just say, well that guy's irrelevant because he has bad 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:28.880 doctrine. Well, if they're in positions of power, then they're going to 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:32.960 do unspeakable harm with with their power. 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:39.360 Uh the first chapter, Christianity Today, uh begins by discussing the complicity 00:19:39.360 --> 00:19:45.280 of all the major denominations in the so-called refugee crisis, which is 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.640 it is a crisis, it's a civilizational crisis, but these are not 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.160 refugees, these are for the churches, they're moneymakers. 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.240 These are industrial operations where they are getting paid by states and 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:02.720 by other NGOs, including Lutherans, Lutherans, Catholics, Methodists, pretty much everybody is 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.240 in on the grift. 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.200 and they're doing it in the name of God. 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:12.800 They're using false scriptural arguments to say, yes, we must overrun Europe 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:16.960 and we must overrun America and anywhere that any white homelands on 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:22.160 the planet must necessarily be overrun by the third world because Jesus, 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.640 because Jesus went to Egypt, therefore you need infinity Africans in your 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.640 country. And whatever happens to your community and your family, well, you 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.360 know, you should just love them and that's that's not a gospel 00:20:33.360 --> 00:20:35.840 matter. That's a it's a huge problem. 00:20:35.840 --> 00:20:37.360 It is it is a seminal problem. 00:20:37.360 --> 00:20:39.840 It's one of the as he says in the preferences we've said 00:20:39.840 --> 00:20:42.160 elsewhere, it's one of the principal reasons that a lot of 00:20:43.040 --> 00:20:45.920 guys on the right who are maybe they've left the church or 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.440 were never in the church actively hate Christianity because that's all that 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:50.160 they see. 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.280 And I absolutely agree. 00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:54.960 It's necessary to document this is evil and it's coming from inside 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.320 our own house as Christians, but it is not Christian. 00:20:58.320 --> 00:21:00.800 And so in the first chapter, he does a good job laying 00:21:00.800 --> 00:21:04.080 out kind of the some of the history and the basic details 00:21:04.080 --> 00:21:05.920 of those things happening. 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:09.280 The other part of that, that's a a key part of the 00:21:09.280 --> 00:21:14.000 whole argument that that runs throughout much of the book, is that 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.800 anti-racism is a core of the religion that these people espouse as 00:21:18.800 --> 00:21:23.440 they import the third world rapists and murderers into our neighborhoods. 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:28.080 And he holds up as an example the Southern Baptist Convention, which 00:21:28.080 --> 00:21:33.120 is similarly conservative to the LCMS, and has been going down very 00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:35.920 much the same path as as our denomination has in the last 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:36.240 few years. 00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:38.320 I was fascinated. 00:21:38.320 --> 00:21:41.920 I I never really pay attention to other other denominations too much. 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.800 And so I've I was ignorant of some of these things, but 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:49.760 there were a few Russell Moore quotes that he introduced beginning about 00:21:49.840 --> 00:21:53.680 2015 through 2017 and then I think a bit newer than that. 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:56.240 I'm gonna I'm gonna read these, but the reason they s they 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.480 smacked me in the face was some of them are virtually verbatim 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:05.440 the attacks from within the LCMS leadership against Corey and me for 00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:06.560 Stone Choir. 00:22:06.560 --> 00:22:11.120 So the these are from Russell Moore and the Southern Baptist Convention. 00:22:11.120 --> 00:22:14.160 He writes many of those who have criticized Mr. 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.840 Trump's vision for America have faced threats and intimidation from the quote 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:23.040 alt-right of white supremacists and nativists who hide behind avatars on social 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:25.200 media. Another quote. 00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:30.160 his twenty seventeen meeting, the Southern Baptists adopted another obnoxious resolution quote 00:22:30.320 --> 00:22:34.000 on the anti gospel of alt right white supremacy. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:38.240 That's pretty much verbatim from the screed that Matt Harrison released in 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.480 February attacking us. 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:43.520 And the last quote I wanted to mention, the church should call 00:22:43.520 --> 00:22:45.840 white supremacy what it is terrorism. 00:22:45.840 --> 00:22:49.040 But more than terrorism, white supremacy is Satanism. 00:22:49.040 --> 00:22:51.840 Even worse, even worse than Satanism. 00:22:51.840 --> 00:22:55.280 White supremacy is a devil worship that often pretends that it is 00:22:55.280 --> 00:22:56.480 speaking for God. 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:01.920 With false sobriety, more closed his editorial by stating, quote, White supremacy 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:04.000 angers Jesus of Nazareth Nazareth. 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.240 The question is, does it anger his church? 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.680 And this is again, this these were charges leveled against Corey and 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.160 me by the leadership of the Missouri Senate. 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:16.480 They called the FBI and accused us of terrorism for talking about 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:17.280 this stuff. 00:23:17.280 --> 00:23:20.320 So I was fascinated to see Russell Moore saying the same thing 00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:21.360 about Baptists. 00:23:21.360 --> 00:23:22.720 It's the same playbook. 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.360 It's exactly the same slander, the same lies. 00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:30.640 Interest interestingly, is uh the Stone Choir telegram chat has grown uh 00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:34.400 a number of people who have joined have told me both there 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:38.640 and privately and elsewhere that one of the episodes of Stone Choir 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.120 they introduced them to us and kind of got them hooked in 00:23:41.120 --> 00:23:46.400 some cases was the four hour death march that we did describing 00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:51.200 the events that the Missouri Senate had taken against the four men 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.280 who had initially exposed some of the most current evil going on 00:23:55.280 --> 00:23:57.200 within our denomination. 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:01.440 And they it resonated with them from other denominations because they've seen 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:02.560 the the same things. 00:24:02.560 --> 00:24:06.480 So I very much appreciated Guiles mention of a lot of these 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.040 things just because to me they were it was the first time 00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:10.160 I was seeing them. 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:13.120 It was no surprise because of course we all know that these 00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:16.880 guys are running a playbook and it's not it it's a supernatural 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:20.320 playbook, which is why I I doubt that Russell Moore hangs out 00:24:20.320 --> 00:24:21.520 with Matt Harrison. 00:24:21.520 --> 00:24:25.120 Yet when it comes to spiritually, they are bosom buddies. 00:24:25.120 --> 00:24:28.960 They have the same God and they're preaching the same religion, but 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.720 it's not a Christian religion. 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.520 So it's there's a there's a great deal of research that he 00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:36.000 has done in this book that I find very valuable because it's 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:39.440 filling in a lot of blanks that personally I didn't I wasn't. 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.720 And I think for reas readers who pick up the book, I 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:45.440 think that it will do a really good job of fleshing out 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.960 exactly what's going on with the so called refugee crisis. 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.520 Yeah, you see these things on T V and you see them 00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:54.960 showing up and you know, how how are there Somalis in Minnesota? 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.880 Well, it's because the Catholics and the Lutherans in Minnesota that explicitly 00:24:58.880 --> 00:24:59.760 imported them. 00:24:59.760 --> 00:25:02.480 Yes, the government helped and the government, you know, was doing some 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:05.360 of it, but it was church bodies that were doing the rest. 00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:08.240 And they're doing that not only in our name, but they're doing 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:09.440 it with our money. 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:12.480 And so I think that as as readers read through this book, 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.200 which again we commend, I hope that I'd love to see, you 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.960 know, Stone Choir listeners sell this thing out just because it's an 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.080 important asset for folks to have to have some of the material 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:23.360 just lay out. 00:25:23.360 --> 00:25:25.520 Here's exactly what's been going on. 00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:28.080 And it's a great resource because it's a book that's in, you 00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:31.440 know, in one thing that you could hand to someone else in 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.840 many ways a synopsis of a lot of things that we cover 00:25:33.840 --> 00:25:35.040 on Stone Choir. 00:25:35.040 --> 00:25:38.160 So as I we've said before, the nice thing about having a 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.120 podcast or a book or an article is you can hand it 00:25:41.120 --> 00:25:43.600 to a friend kind of non-committally. 00:25:43.600 --> 00:25:45.600 You don't have to say this is the most important thing in 00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:46.000 the world. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.000 You have to agree with every word of this. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.440 You can just say, hey, check this out. 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:51.120 There's some amazing stuff in here. 00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:52.880 I'm not even sure what to think. 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.240 That's a it's a nice passive way of of broaching a subject 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.520 that can be very upsetting and just say, look, these seem like 00:25:59.520 --> 00:26:02.160 facts to me when I look stuff up it checks out. 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.480 I'm glad you mentioned the the longest episode we've done, and quite 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:07.760 frankly, probably the longest episode we 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.880 will do, because we'll do what we've done with other topics, split 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:16.720 them into multiple episodes into a series if we're going to go 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:18.640 that long on a particular subject. 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:23.840 That one it made sense to simply sit down and get it 00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:26.320 done, to do it in one go. 00:26:26.320 --> 00:26:30.080 But we really went through and aired the dirty laundry of our 00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:33.280 synod, our church, because it's important. 00:26:34.080 --> 00:26:37.440 These are things that are being done in our name, and as 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.240 Woe said, with our money, but they're also being done in public 00:26:42.560 --> 00:26:43.520 to a certain degree. 00:26:43.520 --> 00:26:45.840 Yes, they'd like to keep some of this underhanded, they don't want 00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:47.440 you to know exactly what they're doing. 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.440 But these are public sins. 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.360 And public sins have to be rebuked publicly. 00:26:53.360 --> 00:26:57.200 You do not go to a man privately, you can do this 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.720 as well, but you do not exclusively go to a man privately 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.120 to rebuke him for his public sins. 00:27:03.120 --> 00:27:06.960 For his public sins you rebuke him publicly. 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:08.720 And the reason we see this 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:16.880 agreement across denominations, across traditions, across churches, with men who do not 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.640 talk to one another, who probably in some cases don't even know 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:25.040 of the existence of one another unless perhaps Russell Moore happened to 00:27:25.040 --> 00:27:29.280 see the fact that Matt Harrison spoke before Congress at one point. 00:27:29.280 --> 00:27:33.200 These are not men who attend the same country clubs, they obviously 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:34.960 don't attend the same churches. 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.680 The reason they have this same script is as we have said 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.680 in a number of episodes, I'm not going to go and search 00:27:41.760 --> 00:27:43.920 so I know how many times we've used the phrase, but there 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:48.560 is an animating intelligence behind all of this evil. 00:27:48.560 --> 00:27:52.640 Satan is running a playbook, and he has developed it over a 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.400 course of millennia. 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.720 He has perfected it at this point. 00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.560 Satan, at the very least, seems to believe that he is in 00:28:00.560 --> 00:28:01.760 the end game. 00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:03.200 Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.600 We are not going to speculate on whether or not that's the 00:28:05.600 --> 00:28:09.200 case. Woe is going to lean more toward it being the end 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:11.840 game, I'm going to lean more in the other direction. 00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:14.880 One of the few places where we disagree a little bit. 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.920 But no man knows the day or the hour. 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.360 Satan seems to be acting as if he's playing for all the 00:28:21.360 --> 00:28:22.800 marbles right now. 00:28:22.800 --> 00:28:25.040 And so he has all of his pieces in play, he has 00:28:25.040 --> 00:28:26.800 all of his units on the board. 00:28:26.800 --> 00:28:29.360 That's why we see the full court press, that's why we see 00:28:29.360 --> 00:28:34.160 this happening in every single denomination and tradition. 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.120 And that's an important point. 00:28:37.120 --> 00:28:43.600 The churches have been the very last thing to be subverted. 00:28:43.600 --> 00:28:49.040 Oftentimes if you're speaking to a neopagan or someone who has a 00:28:49.040 --> 00:28:53.760 particular animus toward the church, perhaps with warrant, I won't say it's 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:58.720 unwarranted, but has this particular hatred of the church will point out 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.440 that the modern churches have been subverted. 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:02.880 That's true. 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.480 But show me something in our society that has not been subverted. 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.680 The churches held out the longest they were subverted 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.840 last. All of the things we've gone over in previous episodes when 00:29:15.840 --> 00:29:18.800 it comes to subversion of the culture and corruption of all of 00:29:18.800 --> 00:29:23.360 our institutions happened before the church was corrupted. 00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:27.760 The Church stood against this for a very long time. 00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:31.840 Satan has been trying all these attacks for centuries. 00:29:31.840 --> 00:29:36.560 The Church has rebuffed them all until today. 00:29:36.560 --> 00:29:40.320 He finally figured out the best way to subvert the church, and 00:29:40.320 --> 00:29:43.200 he is actively working to do so, to come to bring that 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:44.480 to completion. 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.560 And that is the war that we're actually fighting. 00:29:48.560 --> 00:29:53.440 Because if he wins over the churches in sort of a full 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:58.240 sense, if he wins that particular engagement, if he wins that battle 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.200 of the larger war, then he's won. 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.960 Because the church is in point of fact the last bastion, the 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.120 last thing standing against his complete victory. 00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:14.080 And Taylor, you mentioned the issue where what is a Christian, basically, 00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:15.440 is the question. 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.720 What does it mean for someone to be a true Christian or 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:19.920 a false Christian? 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.400 Is there such a thing as a false Christian? 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.120 Are these people who hold these false beliefs Christians or not, and 00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:31.680 we went over this in the episode on the Jews, the first 00:30:31.840 --> 00:30:36.400 in the series specifically dealing with the Jews, episode thirty four, and 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.760 that is the No Scotsman fallacy. 00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:42.480 We went over it there, but I'll go over it again briefly 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.800 here. There is such a thing as a Christian. 00:30:46.800 --> 00:30:50.960 Just as there is such a thing as a Scotsman, the reason 00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:55.760 that you have the fallacy is because there is such a thing 00:30:55.760 --> 00:30:58.960 as the thing to which you are applying the fallacy. 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:04.960 To make that clearer, a Scotsman is a member of the nation, 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.400 of the race, of the Scottish. 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.920 If you find a Scottish man who does something you don't like 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.280 and say oh well he's no true Scotsman, no he's still a 00:31:15.280 --> 00:31:18.640 Scotsman. You just don't like what he's doing. 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.440 But that doesn't change the fact there is such a thing as 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:22.640 a Scotsman. 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.040 If there is an Indian in Scotland, he's not a Scotsman. 00:31:27.040 --> 00:31:29.280 No matter if he's doing things you like or don't. 00:31:29.280 --> 00:31:33.200 He's probably doing things you don't like, but he's not a Scotsman. 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.320 There is such a thing, though. 00:31:34.320 --> 00:31:37.840 The same thing applies to Christianity. 00:31:37.840 --> 00:31:40.960 In the case of the Scotsman, it is a matter of blood. 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.280 In the case of Christianity, it is a matter of tenets, because 00:31:45.280 --> 00:31:49.200 Christianity is a religion, it is an ideology, in the broader sense 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.560 of that term. 00:31:50.560 --> 00:31:54.800 It has a number of tenets, core ones, to which you must 00:31:54.800 --> 00:31:58.640 assent, to which you must agree, or you are not a Christian, 00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.680 because that is the definition of what it means to be a 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:09.040 Christian. Conveniently, the Church historically has reduced this to the confessions, 00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:10.720 to the creeds. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.000 We are able to point to something and say, this is what 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.880 it means to be a Christian. 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.200 And to a man, every single one of our enemies cannot actually 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.960 recite the creeds and believe what he's saying, because he fundamentally rejects 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:26.720 things in the creeds. 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.880 Now, of course, as we have brought up a number of times 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:36.000 in the past on this show, Satan has figured out Figured out 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:41.520 that it is more effective for him to attack the church from 00:32:41.520 --> 00:32:42.320 the side. 00:32:42.320 --> 00:32:44.640 Basically, he's flanking the church. 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:48.240 As Woe pointed out in a previous episode, you have the Maginode 00:32:48.320 --> 00:32:50.720 line, Satan is going around it. 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.200 He's not going to just smash his face into the wall. 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.360 He's not going to attack us on, for instance, the deity of 00:32:57.360 --> 00:33:02.160 Christ. He's tried that in the past, centuries past. 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.520 The creeds have made very clear what we believe with regard to 00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:09.280 that. Read the Athanasian Creed. 00:33:09.280 --> 00:33:14.320 However, that is not where Satan is attacking us today, because that's 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:15.360 where we have our defenses. 00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:20.000 We have very good defenses for those big heresies of the past. 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.480 The things where you had someone who denied that Christ is God 00:33:24.560 --> 00:33:29.200 or said Christ was created or said that there are three essences 00:33:29.280 --> 00:33:31.600 or any of a number of things. 00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:36.160 We have all of the responses to these reduced to formulae that 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:40.960 we can recite, that we do recite in church, and that's good, 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.120 because we are rejecting the false teachings of the past. 00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:48.960 As Woe was mentioned before, the reason we have the creeds is 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.280 because the heresies arose. 00:33:51.280 --> 00:33:54.720 We would not have needed the creeds if the heresies had not 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.080 arisen. And so when someone says that all well the creeds aren't 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:03.200 in scripture, every single part of the creeds is in scripture. 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:08.080 And we've passed around documents before detailing which verses correspond with which 00:34:08.080 --> 00:34:10.000 parts of the creed. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.840 No the creeds themselves word for word are not in Scripture, and 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:18.640 the reason for that is again, the heresy had not arisen yet. 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:23.040 You don't need to address the heresy until the heresy is a 00:34:23.040 --> 00:34:25.200 live issue. 00:34:25.200 --> 00:34:29.280 Usually a widespread issue, in the case of some of these. 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:34.320 And so Satan is attacking us where we don't have a creed. 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:38.480 We have responses in Scripture, but you actually have to be familiar 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.480 with Scripture in order to formulate these, in order to respond to 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.160 what he is doing. 00:34:44.160 --> 00:34:48.320 And most men are not equipped to do that, and particularly not 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:52.480 so when the supposed leaders of the church are deliberately misleading the 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:57.680 flock. And so Satan is attacking us on issues like race and 00:34:57.680 --> 00:35:00.560 nation and what is an enemy? 00:35:00.560 --> 00:35:01.360 What is a friend? 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.600 What does it mean to love our enemies? 00:35:03.600 --> 00:35:07.360 Because these are issues we don't have in a creed. 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.280 We have answers in scripture. 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.800 We have answers in many of the church fathers, incidentally. 00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:16.160 But most men are not going to be able in the first 00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:19.760 case to formulate the response, or in the second, simply to have 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.680 read well, it's quite a lot of information, actually, it's many thousands 00:35:23.680 --> 00:35:26.400 of pages, to read the Church Fathers. 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.080 And so Satan is attacking us where he believes us to be 00:35:30.080 --> 00:35:32.160 weak. And he's right. 00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:36.320 The institutional church is very weak on these issues. 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.200 And so part of what we need to do, and part of 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:43.760 why it's important to have books like this, is we need to 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:49.200 respond to these issues where the church doesn't just have a one-page 00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:54.080 answer. The church doesn't have here's the Apostles Creed, that's my response. 00:35:54.080 --> 00:35:57.680 Here's the Athanasian Creed, that's my response. 00:35:57.680 --> 00:35:59.680 We need something like that. 00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:02.640 It has not been developed yet, it has not been put forth, 00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:09.440 and unfortunately we're a little short on truly competent theologians these days. 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.280 However, that doesn't mean that we can't have an answer to these 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:17.680 questions. It just means we don't have something that rises to the 00:36:17.680 --> 00:36:19.600 level of a creed. 00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:23.200 But we do have things like this book that we'll go over 00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:28.240 Christian Zionism, that we'll go over somewhat briefly, but still in a 00:36:28.240 --> 00:36:32.480 useful and important way, what it means to be a racialist, why 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.520 that's compatible with Christianity. 00:36:35.520 --> 00:36:38.880 These are the things we need to know, because this is the 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.360 field on which Satan is currently fighting. 00:36:41.520 --> 00:36:44.880 And if you're a faithful soldier, you have to be on the 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.760 field where the battle is actually joined. 00:36:48.720 --> 00:36:52.320 This is something that is reflected in chapter two of the book, 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.960 Christianity Yesterday and Tomorrow. 00:36:55.120 --> 00:36:58.080 He has a couple quotes from uh Victor Craig that I want 00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:01.120 to read here because they I think they make an important point 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.680 that goes along with what m some of what you just said, 00:37:03.680 --> 00:37:08.640 kind of from a different direction, but again, much of his audience 00:37:08.640 --> 00:37:08.960 is 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.840 perhaps unbelievers who don't know some of these things about the church 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:15.840 or about church history. 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.240 But I also hope that a lot of believers will will pick 00:37:18.240 --> 00:37:20.640 up the book because as we get into some of the later 00:37:20.640 --> 00:37:24.640 chapters, there's a great deal of information, some of which is so 00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:28.640 horrifying that I don't think we even go into much detail about 00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:32.960 it. Um I should mention, I forgot to mention up front, families, 00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:36.640 fathers, if you're listening with kids, be sure to check the show 00:37:36.640 --> 00:37:40.720 notes before you get into the later part of this episode just 00:37:40.720 --> 00:37:42.560 to see the details on what we get into. 00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:46.000 We didn't discuss yet how much we'll go into, but there's definitely 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.080 stuff that is not child friendly if we talk about it. 00:37:50.080 --> 00:37:56.400 Anyway, Victor Craig writes The same revolutionary forces that undermined Europe's civilizational 00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:01.600 and racial identity have only recently succeeded in undermining its religious identity. 00:38:01.600 --> 00:38:04.800 Therefore to condemn the church for what amounts to an eleventh hour 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.720 conversion to a movement that it has adamantly opposed for generations is 00:38:08.720 --> 00:38:10.320 short sighted and unfair. 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.800 No student of history can argue that Christianity is somehow inherently defective 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.960 in ways that weaken the race. 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.800 Craig later continues, how can whites claim to be defenders of a 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.760 people and of a race and yet scoff at the deepest convictions 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.800 of their ancestors? 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.640 How How can they speak of preservation when they oppose the faith 00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:31.760 that has for so long defined and guided our race? 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.960 Today's whites are the final link in the chain of faith that 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.440 reaches more than a thousand years into the past. 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.960 If they can throw off their ancient religion so easily, what else 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.320 might they cast aside? 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:43.200 Their language? 00:38:43.200 --> 00:38:44.000 Their culture? 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:44.960 Their race? 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.920 Should we not be suspicious of men who invoke the wisdom of 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.760 their ancestors, views on blacks or immigrants, but who reject the spiritual 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.560 foundation on which their ancestors built their lives, who reject what their 00:38:56.560 --> 00:39:00.800 ancestors would have said was the source and strength of all wisdom. 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.440 Again, I think that's consistent, Corey, with what you just said. 00:39:03.600 --> 00:39:06.800 And this is a an argument that we often make, it's important 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:11.120 for us when we're sitting here in current year looking at the 00:39:11.120 --> 00:39:15.200 hellscape of the world, you know, in our neighborhoods, in our communities 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:21.680 globally, whatever scope you're looking at, if you think that you can 00:39:21.680 --> 00:39:26.400 just roll back to some earlier date without all of the preconditions 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.600 of that date, you're you're kind of just doing a five sci-fi 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.080 exercise. And there's nothing wrong with that. 00:39:32.080 --> 00:39:35.600 But in particular, when we're talking about Christians in the West, when 00:39:35.600 --> 00:39:39.920 we're talking about whites, there's no way to roll back to any 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.840 period of European history that would we consider glory Are glorious today 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.600 without rolling back to a point where Christians were in charge and 00:39:47.600 --> 00:39:51.680 it was actually a Christian nation with Christian rulers. 00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:54.160 And we've discussed in the past the glory of Rome and the 00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:58.400 glory of Greece and how to some extent those things were true, 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.360 but they also had many of the exact horrors that we see 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:07.040 today. They had abortion and infanticide and euthanasia of the old and 00:40:07.040 --> 00:40:10.320 all sorts of horrible things that today we would reject and say, 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.640 well that that has no place in in the West. 00:40:12.640 --> 00:40:13.760 And that's true. 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:18.320 But that's only because the West was redefined by Christianity to the 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.560 point that we consider them synonymous. 00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:23.680 So in the second chapter he lays out a good argument that 00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:28.400 we can't get back the things that all of us as as 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:34.720 white people, regardless of our religion, seek to preserve without simultaneously either 00:40:34.720 --> 00:40:38.320 preserving or returning to the faith of our fathers. 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.760 Because that was the genesis of the things that made Europe great. 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:48.080 All the greatness that we had went along with us being Christian 00:40:48.080 --> 00:40:49.600 nations. 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.360 There's a part where he says that you know if we undertake 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:58.720 kind of like a a political attempted a political revolution but without 00:40:58.720 --> 00:41:03.120 Christianity, quoting Craig again, he says, you'll have established a nation without 00:41:03.120 --> 00:41:06.640 an identity and a body without a soul, which I I think 00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:09.840 is um it's it's important in the way that you're saying. 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.920 I also find it personally encouraging thing in a way, um because 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.280 it kind of solidifies for me, you know, how how tremendous of 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.120 a thing is is my faith and how um intrinsic it is 00:41:23.120 --> 00:41:26.960 to not just the the greatness but you know even the the 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.960 survival um of my people and how much it's something that we 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.080 can all lean on for encouragement uh in the struggle that we 00:41:36.080 --> 00:41:37.120 have before us 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.840 indeed and it's not unknowable. 00:41:40.080 --> 00:41:42.720 we we don't have to invent something new. 00:41:42.720 --> 00:41:45.440 We just have to go back to doing the things that used 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.560 to be done by the folks who in provided inheritance that was 00:41:50.560 --> 00:41:53.440 then destroyed at some point in recent generations. 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.000 But we don't need to start from scratch. 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.120 We just need to go back to that which actually worked for 00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:00.160 our own people. 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.600 A sort of tangent, but you mentioned the necessity of having all 00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:08.320 of the underpinnings in place if you want to go back to 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.960 a particular time or achieve the equivalent of that time in the 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.800 modern world. 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.720 There was an experiment in the 60s, I think it he may 00:42:18.720 --> 00:42:21.680 have run it into the seventies as well. 00:42:21.680 --> 00:42:24.400 But a man by I can't remember his first name, but the 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.840 last name of Calhoun ran an experiment involving mice. 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.440 I think he may have also run the experiment with rats, but 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.640 He basically built a utopia for them. 00:42:34.640 --> 00:42:36.720 What he thought was a utopia. 00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:41.280 They had food, they had shelter, they had everything they needed. 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:48.000 But it was a thoroughly artificial environment, a very constructed environment that 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:53.360 was not natural, and it led to complete disaster for the rodent 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.400 populations. They would have a boom cycle followed by a bust, there 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:56.880 was all sorts of 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.520 aggression despite the fact that they had all the resources they needed. 00:43:01.520 --> 00:43:04.800 Basically, he was trying to create a utopia and wound up creating 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:10.160 the mouse version of hell, which is essentially the lesson of all 00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:12.800 utopian fiction, as it were. 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.520 For those who do not know, it's been mentioned previously, but utopia 00:43:17.520 --> 00:43:20.640 in the Greek means not a place. 00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:24.800 Built into the word itself is sort of a joke about the 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.640 impossibility of this utopia. 00:43:28.640 --> 00:43:32.400 Which is an important thing, another tangent, but it's an important matter 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.800 for those on the right to remember and this is where Christianity 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:42.000 really serves the right particularly well in this particular way. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:47.680 We will never build a utopia, not in this life, because this 00:43:47.680 --> 00:43:50.720 is a fallen world, this is a sinful world. 00:43:50.720 --> 00:43:53.360 This is a world tainted by original sin. 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.160 There will be no utopia in this life. 00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:58.160 That doesn't mean we can't build a better world. 00:43:58.160 --> 00:44:01.120 It doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to build a better world. 00:44:01.120 --> 00:44:04.000 That is in fact our duty as Christians, to those who will 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.360 come after us, and also of course our duty to God. 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.160 We can make a much better world than the one we currently 00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:11.520 have, of course. 00:44:11.520 --> 00:44:16.320 And no, I'm not being an optimist or any of the various 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.400 flavours of millenarian. 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:22.320 I'm simply pointing out it is possible to build a better world 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:23.920 than the one we currently have. 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:24.880 We know that. 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.800 Our ancestors had that for centuries. 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:33.200 Prior to well, modernism. 00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:37.360 However, we have to bear in mind that if we lose sight 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.960 of the fact that we're working in a fallen world with fallen 00:44:41.040 --> 00:44:46.160 sinful beings, and we think that we can create a utopia, odds 00:44:46.160 --> 00:44:48.800 are we're going to create hell on earth. 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.280 You cannot create a utopia. 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.040 You can create a better life for those who come after you, 00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:56.720 and that should be our goal. 00:44:56.720 --> 00:45:02.320 And this is something that Christianity is really vitally important for any 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.400 sort of political movement on the right. 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:10.240 You have to have a conscience for your political movement, and that 00:45:10.240 --> 00:45:15.200 is what Christianity is, for the actual political right. 00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:22.960 Christianity informs our ethical decisions, our moral calculus, it is our conscience. 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:28.400 And without it, we will probably build a complete disaster. 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:34.080 I'm not saying that historically we haven't had European pagan societies that 00:45:34.080 --> 00:45:36.320 were relatively successful. 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.440 But as well as pointed out a number of times. 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:44.000 You had abortion, you had infanticide, you had human sacrifice in some 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:49.360 cases, very rare in the European context, but not zero. 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:54.960 These were very real problems that arose in the absence of Christianity. 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.640 And as we've pointed out in previous episodes, part of the reason 00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:03.120 that Europeans did so well relative to others, is that we did 00:46:03.120 --> 00:46:07.680 not fall as far from our historic Christian faith. 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:12.080 Gaz obviously our father, our original father of all of the European 00:46:12.080 --> 00:46:15.280 peoples, was a Christian when he stepped off the ark. 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.560 Noah had taught him the Christian faith. 00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:22.160 He went ahead and transmitted that to his sons. 00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:24.640 At some point that chain was broken. 00:46:24.640 --> 00:46:28.240 But it was not broken as early or as thoroughly as in 00:46:28.240 --> 00:46:31.360 the case of the sons of Ham and many of the sons 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.320 of Shem. 00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.320 So the sons of Japheth were loyal for longer, were true to 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.880 Christianity, and we benefited from that. 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.080 We also We also returned to Christianity more quickly, and we benefited 00:46:42.080 --> 00:46:43.520 from that as well. 00:46:43.520 --> 00:46:47.200 And so that is another point to bring up for those who 00:46:47.200 --> 00:46:53.120 think that Christianity is incompatible with a functioning European society. 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.840 The most functional European society we've ever had was Christian. 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:01.920 And it was for centuries. 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.160 It is only since we've abandoned Christianity, in large part, that we've 00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:07.920 had these problems. 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.480 Yes, there are other complicating factors. 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.840 There's rampant Satanism, and 00:47:14.720 --> 00:47:18.000 well, we've gone over a wealth of problems in previous episodes and 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.960 we'll go over more in future episodes. 00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.200 But we've lost our core. 00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:28.640 We no longer have any real moral or ethical core to our 00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:29.680 people because we abandoned 00:47:30.560 --> 00:47:37.200 Christianity. And that is the central point of really this podcast, and 00:47:37.200 --> 00:47:40.480 also a central point in this book. 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.200 You need Christianity because it is one of the prerequisites in order 00:47:45.200 --> 00:47:49.920 to build back the sort of society that our ancestors enjoyed and 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:54.560 that we have lost in only the last handful of generations. 00:47:54.560 --> 00:48:00.960 You can't You cannot restore the structure unless you restore the foundation. 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:06.560 And the foundation of the Western world is Christianity, because the Western 00:48:06.560 --> 00:48:09.040 world is Christendom. 00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:13.040 In In chapter three, which is a short chapter on what he 00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:18.240 calls Christian Reformation, but it's really about the migration of Christianity from 00:48:18.240 --> 00:48:21.120 the Mediterranean into Northwestern Europe. 00:48:21.120 --> 00:48:23.680 It's the first argument that Giles make and I refer to him 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.920 by his b first name just so I don't call him Corey 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.920 because that would be incredibly confusing. 00:48:28.080 --> 00:48:30.880 The argument that he makes is one that it seems that he 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:35.760 adopted from James Russell, which I I disagree with completely the way 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.360 he presents it, but I'm interested, Corey, for you to chip in 00:48:39.520 --> 00:48:42.640 because I'm sure that you know more about the background of this 00:48:42.640 --> 00:48:46.880 argument. Basically it comes down to this James Russell quote. 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:51.360 The process by which Christianity was Germanized in its attempt to Christianize 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:55.760 the Germanic peoples was not the result of organized Germanic resistance to 00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.400 Christianity or of an attempt by the Germanic peoples to transform Christianity 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.160 into an acceptable form. 00:49:02.160 --> 00:49:06.640 Rather, it was primarily a consequence of the deliberate enculturation of Germanic 00:49:06.640 --> 00:49:11.440 religiocultural attitudes within Christianity by Christian missionaries. 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:16.720 This process of accommodation resulted in the essential transformation of Christianity from 00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:21.840 a universal religion to a Germanic and eventually European folk religion. 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:26.240 Now I don't know the background of that argument, but interestingly, later 00:49:26.080 --> 00:49:31.120 on when in the chapter Ree's discussing African and the global south 00:49:31.120 --> 00:49:36.320 adoption of Christianity, he makes much the same argument except very critically. 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:41.040 Uh for me, I think that the my read on what was 00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:45.040 going on, I think it's a framing issue that I I fundamentally 00:49:45.040 --> 00:49:48.800 have, because I think when you look at Christianity in the first 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:53.920 few centuries where there was persecution because Christians were a minority. 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.440 They're first a small minority. 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:56.880 They were viewed as a cult. 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.560 Then they became a larger minority. 00:49:58.560 --> 00:50:02.320 And in some cases they became, you know, the overwhelming majority, but 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:08.160 yet still not a an official state religion because all states had 00:50:08.160 --> 00:50:11.040 a state religion and generally the the head of the state, the 00:50:11.040 --> 00:50:13.520 head of the nation, was also a god. 00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:16.640 You know, the pinch of of incense to Caesar was to acknowledge 00:50:16.640 --> 00:50:17.840 his godship. 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:23.280 I think that what changed when missionaries moved into Germany and elsewhere 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:29.040 in Europe was that Christianity was not migrating to different cultural contexts, 00:50:29.040 --> 00:50:34.560 but it was migrating to places where it simply became the dominant 00:50:34.560 --> 00:50:38.800 religion. And the dominant religion is always in a preferred place and 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.440 should be an exclusive place in in the case of a monotheistic 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.360 religion, which is almost an obscenity because there is only one God. 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.360 And so the notion that that monotheism can have different faces is 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.960 itself a separate lie. 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:57.680 But I my read on the history of Christianity moving into places 00:50:57.680 --> 00:51:01.920 like the German peoples and elsewhere in Europe was not that it 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:07.120 was being adapted to local mores or that there was syncretism. 00:51:07.120 --> 00:51:10.640 It was simply that when the German people became Christian 00:51:11.600 --> 00:51:14.400 Christianity became their culture. 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.120 It was incorporated into their culture as always happens. 00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:18.800 You know, it's natural that 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.400 a German Christian and a 00:51:23.600 --> 00:51:28.080 French Christian, even, and an English Christian, are going to behave in 00:51:28.080 --> 00:51:29.040 slightly different ways. 00:51:29.040 --> 00:51:31.840 Certainly an Irish Christian, you know, you put those four in one 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:36.320 place, and you're going to have differences in behavior and approach that 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:42.000 isn't simply a function of the history of their denominational changes throughout 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.600 time, but it's also a function of them as a race. 00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:48.720 You know, the race of Irishmen is distinct from the race of 00:51:48.720 --> 00:51:54.240 Englishmen that's been the source of the troubles because when the English 00:51:54.240 --> 00:51:56.640 try to dominate the Irish, the Irish don't like it, and so 00:51:56.640 --> 00:51:57.840 they fight. 00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:58.800 That is 00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:02.160 it's part of race, it's it's part of one of the things 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.400 that makes it so ludicrous to think that race isn't inextricable. 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.880 Because when an Englishman becomes Christian, he's gonna approach things differently than 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.560 a German who becomes Christian. 00:52:12.560 --> 00:52:13.280 That's fine. 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:16.720 It's both those are both Christian and I I simply reject the 00:52:16.720 --> 00:52:19.200 minor point that doesn't really flow into the rest of the book 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.160 that somehow that was syncretistic. 00:52:22.160 --> 00:52:25.040 I think it was simply that when the Germanic peoples became Christian 00:52:25.120 --> 00:52:27.920 they were they were still Germans, so they didn't they didn't stop 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.000 having German character. 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.440 Christianity simply became their their worldview as well as their religion. 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.400 So Corey, I'm curious what you have to say about that theory 00:52:38.560 --> 00:52:40.560 because I'm sure it's something you've given a lot more thought and 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:42.560 reading. 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:47.200 He gives a sort of light touch to an argument that became 00:52:47.200 --> 00:52:49.040 popular in the academy 00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:53.840 really, I guess it's been probably a couple decades ago at this 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:55.120 point. But 00:52:56.560 --> 00:53:02.400 yeah, Russell's book was nineteen ninety-six, so probably maybe thirty years ago 00:53:02.560 --> 00:53:06.480 this started to crop up and it's kind of waxed and waned 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:13.920 over time, but the argument essentially is that Christianity started out this 00:53:14.080 --> 00:53:17.200 I'm not making this argument for myself, please note that this is 00:53:17.200 --> 00:53:20.080 the academic argument that has been advanced. 00:53:20.080 --> 00:53:25.760 Christianity started out as a Middle Eastern religion because they always neglect 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.000 the fact that Christianity started in the garden. 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.800 But they say that it started out as a Middle Eastern religion. 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.880 And then from there it moved into the Greek and Roman context, 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:40.320 the Roman context, via the Greeks, and became eventually under Constantine, because 00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:46.160 he always plays this outsized role in all of these mythologies. 00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:51.840 Under Constantine it becomes the state religion, it becomes Romanized to a 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:57.040 certain degree, which of course means Europeanized to a certain degree, and 00:53:57.040 --> 00:54:01.760 then when the Germanic tribes invade and start taking Christianity back with 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.160 them, it becomes Germanized. 00:54:04.160 --> 00:54:10.160 And so the argument is that Christianity through this transmission route became 00:54:10.160 --> 00:54:16.240 a German, a Germanic European religion, whereas it had originally been a 00:54:16.240 --> 00:54:18.240 Middle Eastern religion. 00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:23.360 This is, of course, complete nonsense when taken to the degree that 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.040 the That the Academy would like to take it. 00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:33.680 Now, the problem isn't that the argument itself is necessarily false, it's 00:54:33.600 --> 00:54:35.520 the emphasis is totally wrong. 00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:38.960 The goal of the Academy, of course, is to discredit Christianity, is 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.840 to make it seem like it's this chameleon that just adapts itself 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:43.840 as it moves through the world. 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.440 And incidentally, we do see this today with those who are trying 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.520 to say that oh well now Christianity has become African and Asian, 00:54:51.520 --> 00:54:54.720 it's part of the global south, it's a new thing. 00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:58.640 That's this argument for idiots. 00:54:58.640 --> 00:55:01.040 But in reality, what you have 00:55:02.080 --> 00:55:03.760 is you have Christianity 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:09.920 becoming the core of these cultures as it goes, which really it's 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.200 a restoration of the ancient faith, but it becomes the core of 00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:18.400 the culture, and the culture molds itself around that Christian core. 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:20.400 There's nothing wrong with that. 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:27.600 If we manage to say Christianize Japan, Japanese Christianity will not look 00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:30.880 the same as Western Christianity. 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.520 Japanese Christianity, if it is Christianity in fact, will have the same 00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:38.720 tenets because again it's those tenets that are important. 00:55:38.720 --> 00:55:42.160 If you have some differences in the look and the way you 00:55:42.160 --> 00:55:44.720 conduct your ceremonies, that's fine. 00:55:44.720 --> 00:55:46.480 That's a cultural difference. 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:50.480 There is no reason ceremonies need to be the same everywhere, and 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.840 incidentally I'm basically quoting the Book of Concord right there. 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.360 That is one of the arguments we put forth that you can 00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:03.280 have differences in the ceremonies due to cultural differences. 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.840 And one of the examples that Luther liked to use was actually 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:09.200 the Italians versus the Germans, which despite the fact that we're next 00:56:09.200 --> 00:56:12.240 door neighbors, two very different peoples. 00:56:12.240 --> 00:56:16.240 We're going to behave differently in all of our cultural contexts. 00:56:16.240 --> 00:56:18.880 We're going to have different ceremonies. 00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:23.680 You're going to have very different singing in a German Lutheran church 00:56:23.680 --> 00:56:27.120 versus an Italian church, whatever they happen to be. 00:56:27.120 --> 00:56:31.200 Granted, Italians almost certainly Roman Catholic. 00:56:31.200 --> 00:56:35.120 But Christianity did not become German. 00:56:35.120 --> 00:56:36.800 That's not what happened. 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:41.440 Christianity became the core of the German culture. 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:47.680 Now of course, Christianity was in large part entirely compatible culturally 00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:51.360 with the Germans as it found them. 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:55.840 Obviously not religiously because the German tribes were pagan at the time, 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.240 and so that had to be jettisoned. 00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:00.960 But the culture can remain. 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:05.280 Because the culture had many of the things that are required in 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:10.080 Christianity, that are part of the Christian religion, because again, they had 00:57:10.080 --> 00:57:13.360 not fallen as far and they had not been apostate for as 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.680 long. And so for instance, you have Roman historians, who will specifically 00:57:17.680 --> 00:57:21.920 note that marriage was held in high esteem among the German tribes. 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.920 Adultery was basically unheard of, it was very severely punished, usually by 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:26.240 death 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:32.800 etc. There are many arguments along these lines from the pagan historians 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.280 who are noting how these various tribes behaved. 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.840 And so when you have Christianity that comes in and says, Thou 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.680 shalt not commit adultery, well that's perfectly in line with what the 00:57:43.680 --> 00:57:45.840 Germans already believed. 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:53.200 Now, notably, they didn't reject Christianity if instead of actual 00:57:53.200 --> 00:58:00.160 Christians, actual missionaries going and proclaiming actual Christianity to these tribes, you 00:58:00.160 --> 00:58:07.360 had someone proclaiming the modern conception of Christianity as propounded by the 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:12.640 mainline so called churches, and by Rome, and in large part by 00:58:12.640 --> 00:58:17.600 basically all of the organized forms of Christianity. 00:58:17.600 --> 00:58:20.560 The European tribes would have rejected it. 00:58:20.560 --> 00:58:26.400 Because what you have today, the modern conception of this theology, so 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.200 called, is a is a death cult. 00:58:29.200 --> 00:58:30.960 It's a death pact. 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:32.320 It's a suicide pact. 00:58:33.040 --> 00:58:38.000 These are not the actual tenets of Christianity, these are corruptions of 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.040 them, and so you would have never been able to convert the 00:58:41.040 --> 00:58:45.600 European peoples with the false faith that is masquerading as Christianity today 00:58:45.600 --> 00:58:47.200 in the West. 00:58:47.200 --> 00:58:51.040 And the global South is another problem, it's mostly syncretism that's the 00:58:51.040 --> 00:58:52.640 problem down there. 00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:59.120 In the West it's mostly these liberal ideas in the technical sense. 00:58:59.120 --> 00:59:03.120 But the takeaway point is that Christianity was not Germanized. 00:59:03.120 --> 00:59:05.440 I'm not saying that the book isn't worth reading. 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:06.320 It's an interesting book. 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.040 If you're the sort of person who finds this interesting, then by 00:59:09.040 --> 00:59:10.800 all means grab the book and read it. 00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:15.360 There's plenty of other material as well, many journal articles. 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.320 But the emphasis is wrong. 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:23.680 Germany did not transform Germany in the grand sense here, obviously it 00:59:23.680 --> 00:59:25.360 was Germanic tribes at the time. 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.560 Germany did not transform Christianity. 00:59:28.560 --> 00:59:35.040 Christianity became the core of Germanic culture and eventually became the core 00:59:35.040 --> 00:59:37.520 of all European culture. 00:59:37.520 --> 00:59:43.280 It is the foundation upon which the Western world is built. 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:48.000 You cannot have the West without Christianity, and in point of fact, 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.040 you cannot have Christianity without the West. 00:59:51.040 --> 00:59:56.240 As has been proven, the West is the only bastion of Christianity. 00:59:56.240 --> 01:00:00.400 It has always been the only bastion of Christianity. 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.400 The only possible exception 01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:07.280 was when basically all of the sons of Noah, at this point 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:11.840 great great great grandsons, depending on where in the world, when all 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:16.960 of these progeny of Noah had fallen away, God chose 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:24.320 a small tribe in the Near East in order to maintain the 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:25.600 Christian faith. 01:00:25.600 --> 01:00:32.400 And that was with active, pervasive, and constant intervention by God Himself. 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.440 That is what it was reduced to for a time. 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:39.680 But since the coming of Christ, since the transmission of the gospel 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:45.840 to the West, the West has been Christendom, and Christendom is the 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.440 West. Without the West, you don't have the Church, and without the 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:51.760 Church, you don't have the West. 01:00:52.080 --> 01:00:52.320 And 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.680 that is fundamentally what is discussed in the third part of the 01:00:55.680 --> 01:01:00.000 book. Um so the first three chapters cover the just kind of 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.320 a brief introduction of the state of the church. 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.600 The second part of the book is about half of the book. 01:01:05.600 --> 01:01:08.320 In my opinion, I think it's really the meat of what is 01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:12.080 presented here is on the heresy of Christian Zionism. 01:01:12.560 --> 01:01:16.240 Giles gives a really good survey of the history of both premillennial 01:01:16.240 --> 01:01:18.480 and post-millennialist thought. 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:23.520 Uh Notably, he ignores omillennialism altogether, which is kind of a bummer. 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:28.080 As Lutherans, we reject the notion that there is a millennium as 01:01:28.240 --> 01:01:30.000 a thousand-year period. 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.880 There is the ascension of Christ, and there's Pentecost, and then that 01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:39.520 is the millennium until almost before the return of Christ. 01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:42.400 So we are living in the millennium now. 01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:44.160 that is what we believe. 01:01:44.160 --> 01:01:47.280 And you know, there are variations of these various things. 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.440 I it's a little bit of a bummer that he wasn't familiar 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:49.840 with it. 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:51.920 I did a I didn't see it at all in the book 01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:52.960 and I did a word search. 01:01:53.040 --> 01:01:56.400 All millennium doesn't appear even once, which is fine. 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:59.120 Like that's again, is as we note these things, it's not to 01:01:59.120 --> 01:02:01.680 say, Oh, this is a bad book, but it's just I think 01:02:01.680 --> 01:02:05.520 that whenever any you're listening to anything or reading anything, you should 01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:06.880 always be critical. 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.360 You know, we we always encourage you to be critical of things 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.200 that we say because we know Because we know that they will 01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:12.960 withstand scrutiny. 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.440 That should be the approach that we take to everything. 01:02:15.680 --> 01:02:21.840 if you are absorbing things mindlessly, you're you're basically a weapon at 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.320 the hands of whoever's feeding you information. 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.680 So So w the the small criticisms that we have of the 01:02:27.680 --> 01:02:30.080 book are in no way a negation of the the really good 01:02:30.080 --> 01:02:31.360 work that he's done here. 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:33.920 I you know if I wanted a better book to exist, I 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:35.360 should have written my myself. 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.480 it's a huge undertake and I have a tremendous amount of respect 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:41.280 for him for producing this. 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:44.080 So, you know, when we mention these things, please don't take it 01:02:44.080 --> 01:02:45.600 as as an indictment. 01:02:45.600 --> 01:02:49.120 Uh he does he covers the the history of Zionism really well 01:02:49.200 --> 01:02:52.000 and it's a a really nice compliment to again the series that 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.360 we did on the Jews, the four part series, particularly the the 01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.400 last two I think that get get the most into Zionism, as 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:02.480 Corey mentioned, we've had a ton of requests recently for an episode 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:03.760 on dispensationalism. 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:04.800 I think we're gonna have to do that. 01:03:05.120 --> 01:03:09.040 Um I I don't I don't want to because it's painful, which 01:03:09.040 --> 01:03:11.040 is just me whining like a little girl. 01:03:11.040 --> 01:03:14.560 I I I have decided I need to treat this podcast basically 01:03:14.560 --> 01:03:17.280 as my job at this point and if I find a topic 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.240 unpleasant, that just means it's that much more important to do it 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.120 because we a lot of people asking for that in you know, 01:03:23.120 --> 01:03:28.000 as we're as we're recording this right now, uh Israel's dropping bombs 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.440 on hospitals and killing hundreds of people in Gaza. 01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:34.560 That sort of violence ebbs and flows in that part of the 01:03:34.560 --> 01:03:36.240 world throughout time. 01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:38.320 I one of the things that we don't want to do with 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.800 with Stone Choir episodes is to make them highly time sensitive. 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.200 I want someone to be able to come along years from now 01:03:45.200 --> 01:03:48.160 and listen to one of these episodes and not feel like they're 01:03:48.160 --> 01:03:49.440 listening to a time capsule. 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.240 I I hope that the things that we're discussing are are always 01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:55.440 relevant. And so that means there are some topics we avoid. 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:59.760 So in the case of dispensationalism, it is again, it is the 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:04.960 the heresy that undergirds Christian Zionism in this in this book. 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.440 And so he does a really good job in a great deal 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:12.000 of detail laying out how we got here. 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:16.400 And it's it's fascinating reading through part two of this book how 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:22.080 much of it plays directly into the headlines like this afternoon. 01:04:22.080 --> 01:04:23.840 I and it's it's aggravating. 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:24.800 That shouldn't be the case. 01:04:25.040 --> 01:04:29.200 we should not have events in the Middle East being dictated by 01:04:29.200 --> 01:04:30.560 bad theology. 01:04:30.560 --> 01:04:32.720 But the case that he makes in the book and the the 01:04:32.720 --> 01:04:35.840 pivotal case that we'll also be making when we do an episode 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:40.400 on dispensationalism is that the heresy of Christian Zionism and the heresy 01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:46.080 of dispensationalism was specifically created in order to ensure that when this 01:04:46.080 --> 01:04:50.640 day and current year came when Israel was going to war again 01:04:50.640 --> 01:04:54.960 with all their neighbors, that the United States would the people of 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.800 this country would feel that we have a moral obligation to support 01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:02.400 Israel because they're our greatest ally, and because God gave them that 01:05:02.560 --> 01:05:04.240 land and all that nonsense. 01:05:04.240 --> 01:05:06.880 Uh, there are a couple quotes I wanted to mention here because 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:12.800 they undergird the the overarching theme of the heresy of Zionism. 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:18.240 Quote Indeed, Zionism would most probably have remained a theological position, were 01:05:18.240 --> 01:05:22.480 it not for the intervention of a handful of influential aristocratic politicians 01:05:22.560 --> 01:05:27.680 who came to share the theological convictions of Way, Irving, and Darby, 01:05:27.680 --> 01:05:30.160 and translated them into political reality. 01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:36.160 One such politician, the philanthropist, Lord Shaftsbury, was convinced that the restoration 01:05:36.160 --> 01:05:39.360 of the Jews to Palestine was not only predicted in the Bible, 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:44.480 but also coincided with the strategic interests of British foreign policy, a 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.800 view shared by Prime Minister Lord Palmerston, as well as future Prime 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:52.480 Ministers Lord Arthur Balfour and David Lloyd George. 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:55.680 So I believe this quote was from the mid 1800s. 01:05:55.680 --> 01:05:59.200 It was before, incidentally, the Schofield Bible had been covered. 01:05:59.200 --> 01:06:01.760 And that's one of the things that he discusses in in detail 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.400 in a future chapter. 01:06:06.160 --> 01:06:10.240 Again, that like we we try not to do topical episodes, but 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:15.760 the the notion that Palestine being ripped away from the Palestinians who'd 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:20.000 lived there for thousands of years and given to another people, the 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:24.240 Genesis was part of the genesis of Christian Zionism, this heresy. 01:06:24.240 --> 01:06:27.040 And then today people are dying because of it. 01:06:27.040 --> 01:06:28.960 Americans are going to die because of it. 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.800 Right now we have naval ships moving into place they're gonna get 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.720 shot at, soldiers and marines are gonna be on the ground in 01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:40.560 whether it's in Gaza or elsewhere, they're gonna get hurt and they're 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:41.360 gonna get killed. 01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.120 Never mind the civilians and the others who are already dying. 01:06:45.120 --> 01:06:48.880 I don't mean to imply that American lives are worth more to 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:52.480 us than their lives are to them, but certainly the American life 01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.840 is worth more to me in terms of we shouldn't be going 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:58.640 there and dying for someone else's war. 01:06:58.640 --> 01:07:02.800 And so that was the the key reason that this heresy was 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.400 invented two centuries ago was to make the wars then the the 01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:08.720 troop movements that we're seeing today even possible 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:11.200 that's a big deal. 01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:14.320 And that's why this part of the book is so vitally important, 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:18.800 because if you don't understand where this stuff came from and how 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:24.400 pervasive it became in Western culture, particularly American and British culture, there's 01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:28.080 no way to understand what's happening today. 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.640 One thing that I I think really kind of suggests itself as 01:07:32.640 --> 01:07:36.080 you read that particular uh part that you read. 01:07:36.080 --> 01:07:41.520 Um he's talking about uh Lord Shaftesbury's view that the restoration of 01:07:41.520 --> 01:07:44.640 the Jews to Palestine not was not only predicting the Bible but 01:07:44.640 --> 01:07:48.560 also coincided with the strategic interests of British foreign policy. 01:07:48.560 --> 01:07:52.400 I I think my immediate thought was, you know, how m how 01:07:52.560 --> 01:07:56.240 absolutely clear it is in hindsight that there is no truth to 01:07:56.240 --> 01:08:00.160 that idea at all, that um uh you know the interests of 01:08:00.160 --> 01:08:04.720 the uh Jewish state in any way coincided uh with the interests 01:08:04.720 --> 01:08:06.640 of the British Empire. 01:08:06.640 --> 01:08:10.000 The whole the the formation of you know as as we're all 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.520 well aware of the the coming to existence of the state of 01:08:13.520 --> 01:08:17.920 Israel after World War Two um and the whole process there that 01:08:18.080 --> 01:08:22.560 came about by the same process that led that destroyed the British 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:27.440 Empire. Um, you know, their uh insistence on uh fighting the world 01:08:27.440 --> 01:08:30.160 war uh with uh Germany. 01:08:30.160 --> 01:08:34.560 Um and he goes into that argument uh kind of the same 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:38.400 type of argument uh uh not specifically on that point but just 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:42.640 generally making the point that uh you know the idea that phylosemitism 01:08:43.120 --> 01:08:48.000 uh and uh blessing the physical people of Israel, the physical Jews, 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:51.440 is in any way a blessing to the nation that does it 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:54.560 is just completely not borne out by history. 01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:58.720 Um but that's that was just something that really stood out to 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:02.080 me while while reading that though so I'm happy that you uh 01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:04.400 kind of picked up on that specific passage. 01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:11.120 You can say that you're avoiding the dispensationalism issue, and that's entirely 01:09:11.120 --> 01:09:14.320 understandable. I've read a fair amount of it, and it's not exactly 01:09:14.320 --> 01:09:18.560 the most enjoyable slog, but at the same time, if you're reading 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:23.680 about dispensationalism, it is a valid excuse to put off reading Palamus, 01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:27.600 which is in fact worse, although we will still eventually get around 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:30.320 to the episode on Eastern Orthodoxy. 01:09:30.320 --> 01:09:34.640 And I do have the the full translation of his major work 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:36.160 now instead of just the 01:09:37.120 --> 01:09:41.040 it's really not a summary, it's still something like half to two 01:09:41.120 --> 01:09:42.640 thirds of the work. 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:46.400 But I have the definitive edition now by a Greek Orthodox priest, 01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:50.880 so that particular objection that has been voiced by some will no 01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.360 longer be valid when we get around to that episode. 01:09:55.360 --> 01:10:02.160 But it is a very interesting point that in hindsight, obviously, the 01:10:02.320 --> 01:10:07.520 British decisions in and during World War II, leading up to it, 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:11.040 during it and after it regarding what is today known as the 01:10:11.040 --> 01:10:11.760 State of Israel 01:10:13.200 --> 01:10:18.960 did not coincide with British interests insofar as the British nation is 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:24.080 concerned. Now it certainly helped line the pockets of many British politicians 01:10:24.080 --> 01:10:26.240 and businessmen. 01:10:26.240 --> 01:10:31.200 But it certainly destroyed the British Empire, and ultimately, as we see 01:10:31.200 --> 01:10:34.000 today, it destroyed the British nation. 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:37.360 Perhaps not yet beyond the point of salvage, we can certainly hope 01:10:37.360 --> 01:10:38.800 and pray for that. 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:44.560 But things are not looking good for the United Kingdom, certainly. 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:48.560 Because well, quite frankly, Israel has flooded Europe 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:51.760 with so called refugees. 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:57.600 It is biological warfare against the European nations, whom the Jews view 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:02.080 as their mortal enemies, always have and always will. 01:11:02.080 --> 01:11:02.560 And so 01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:09.360 we, in sort of a larger sense here, in the West, largely 01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:14.160 yes, the British and the Americans, basically established 01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:20.000 our centuries old enemy in a state of their own, and then 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.080 have funded them to the tune of quite frankly, at this point, 01:11:24.080 --> 01:11:27.280 probably an uncountable amount of money. 01:11:27.280 --> 01:11:30.880 And we see the consequences of that today. 01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:34.080 You mentioned that you hope that the episodes aren't topical in the 01:11:34.080 --> 01:11:38.080 sense of not standing the test of time because of things that 01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:41.280 are no longer relevant, were relevant only in the moment. 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:44.960 In point of fact, I do hope that these episodes, certain ones, 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.560 become entirely topical, because I would very much like to see Israel 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.480 no longer be an issue at some point. 01:11:50.480 --> 01:11:54.240 So hopefully someone listening fifty years in the future will have to 01:11:54.240 --> 01:11:55.840 go and look at a history book for that one. 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:03.680 So part of the dispensational heresy is the Schofield Reference Bible. 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.640 I think pretty much everyone who's listening has probably heard about it 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:09.040 before. This was a study Bible that was published 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.240 in nineteen oh nine. 01:12:12.240 --> 01:12:14.800 The author of this book does a really good job going into 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:18.720 the history of that man or the absence of history of that 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:21.840 man, uh, who called himself a doctor and called himself a number 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:25.760 of other things, despite there being literally no evidence of any of 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:28.880 them. As best we can tell, he was a complete fraud and 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.200 charlatan at every step. 01:12:31.200 --> 01:12:37.920 He was an absolute nobody scumbag grifter who somehow became connected with 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:43.520 the highest echelons of Western society on both sides of the Atlantic. 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.880 And this translated directly into him 01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:50.800 publishing so-called this Bible. 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.120 I think it was the Oxford Press that did it, which was 01:12:53.200 --> 01:12:54.640 again completely out of the blue. 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:58.320 Is the publisher, the press that produced it? 01:12:58.320 --> 01:13:00.640 I don't think they'd done a Bible at least in quite some 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:03.600 time. It was it was far outside of their purview. 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:07.040 And so as as he makes the case, all these little facts 01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:11.280 on the ground, seemingly out of nowhere, make no sense. 01:13:12.240 --> 01:13:17.120 But looking back in time, i they do make sense if you 01:13:17.120 --> 01:13:21.440 believe that the supernatural acts to cause things and if you believe 01:13:21.440 --> 01:13:24.240 that there are men who conspire to achieve things in time, which 01:13:24.240 --> 01:13:26.800 I would hope all of us do as you know, as we 01:13:27.040 --> 01:13:32.720 established in the beginning of the the greatest lie episode, we talked 01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:34.000 about uh COVID. 01:13:34.080 --> 01:13:36.480 We talked about the fact that we were all lied to about 01:13:36.480 --> 01:13:40.960 the origins of the disease, about the nature of the injections, conspiracies 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:42.160 actually happen. 01:13:42.160 --> 01:13:45.840 People in dark rooms make plans to hurt people and then they 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:47.200 put them into practice. 01:13:47.200 --> 01:13:48.800 And they often succeed. 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:49.840 They sometimes fail. 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:52.880 Plans don't always work, but they try. 01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:56.000 And as we've said in the past, one of the chief blind 01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:01.280 spots that Christians in particular have is we're governed by a belief 01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:04.800 though I would never do that, therefore no one would ever do 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:08.080 that, which is is a pernicious lie. 01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:12.000 And so after World War One, I'm gonna read a quote here 01:14:12.080 --> 01:14:15.600 now. After World War One, the Schofield Reference Bible flew off the 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:19.360 rack, exceeding two million copies by the end of World War II. 01:14:19.360 --> 01:14:23.440 Hence the pointless carnage of the World Wars literally sold the Schofield 01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:27.520 Bible and its apocalyptic pro-Israel message. 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:32.160 The nineteen forty-eight creation of the state of Israel also made Schofield's 01:14:32.160 --> 01:14:35.120 premillennialism seem prophetic. 01:14:35.120 --> 01:14:40.800 So basically, what he did with annotations and footnotes, they were very 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:45.440 selective. You know, as he went through the text of the Bible. 01:14:45.440 --> 01:14:48.640 It was the the only the only additions that were made, the 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:52.720 only changes that were made were done with the specific intent of 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:59.040 laying the groundwork for the mandate of Palestine to become what we 01:14:59.040 --> 01:15:01.200 now know as the state of Israel. 01:15:01.440 --> 01:15:02.320 Here's another quote. 01:15:02.320 --> 01:15:05.760 Schofield wisely chose not to change the text of the King James 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:09.440 Edition. Instead, he added hundreds of easy to read footnotes at the 01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:12.240 bottom of about half of the pages, and as the old English 01:15:12.240 --> 01:15:16.720 grammar of the King James becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:22.320 readers, students became increasingly dependent on the modern language footnotes That's entirely 01:15:22.320 --> 01:15:25.840 true. And I found this particular comment to be pretty hilarious because 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.880 in the preface, the very first words of this entire book by 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:33.920 Giles, he specifically says that the King James is essentially the only 01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:37.680 true Bible that all the others have basically been corrupted and it's 01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:41.920 the only one any sh one should use, and that the corruptions 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:46.480 in other translations are the fault of the problems that we have 01:15:46.480 --> 01:15:47.840 in the church today. 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:52.080 They're definitely bad translations, but we actually spent about half of last 01:15:52.080 --> 01:15:54.800 week's episode or two weeks ago now, because we had a brief 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:58.720 hiatus. Two weeks ago when we did the episode on their listener 01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:03.360 mail we talked about choosing Bibles and I specifically made the point 01:16:03.360 --> 01:16:08.560 that the King James is singularly unsuitable for a modern Bible precisely 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:10.400 for the reason he mentions here. 01:16:10.400 --> 01:16:14.720 Because the grammar was increasingly difficult, people relied on the footnotes. 01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:18.640 So the very thing that he holds up is a necessity for 01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:22.320 the preservation of the word, in fact, is its greatest weakness. 01:16:22.320 --> 01:16:25.680 As we said in that episode, it's a beautiful book. 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:29.680 It is the Bible, but it's archaic language to the point that 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:31.200 people don't know what they're reading. 01:16:31.200 --> 01:16:33.040 And that's borne out by history. 01:16:33.040 --> 01:16:36.640 It's borne out in modern denominations today. 01:16:37.200 --> 01:16:41.840 the more adamantly a denomination says we are King James only, nothing 01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:43.680 else is suitable. 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:48.400 I can pretty much guarantee that overwhelmingly they're going to be dispensationalist 01:16:48.480 --> 01:16:51.840 and they're gonna have a lot of other really bad doctrine too. 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.840 At some point, the two cannot be ignored as going together. 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:58.080 So it's a minor point that he made, and I don't mean 01:16:58.080 --> 01:17:01.680 to pick on him, but it's just it's important to recognize if 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.000 you can't understand the Bible, what are you gonna do? 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.480 You're gonna go to someone who can help you, and that's precisely 01:17:06.480 --> 01:17:10.640 what Schofield and his financial backers exploited. 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:13.920 They put these footnotes in and the footnotes didn't have anything to 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:15.040 do with scripture. 01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:22.160 Again, the what he inserted into the text was specifically around creating 01:17:22.160 --> 01:17:27.600 a moral imperative for Christians to recreate basically the third temple. 01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.160 The idea is that and and he gets it to in some 01:17:30.160 --> 01:17:32.160 of the later chapters. 01:17:32.160 --> 01:17:33.840 Forget the Jesus stuff. 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:37.840 We need Israel to be in the land of Israel, because that's 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:41.360 what God promised to Abraham, and we as Christians must do everything 01:17:41.360 --> 01:17:44.960 we can to give them back everything that was taken in AD 01:17:45.200 --> 01:17:48.480 70. It's blasphemous on its face. 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.520 It it's predicated on false doctrine. 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:55.600 And it's also fundamentally destructive to nations. 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.080 See, this is this is part of the reason that we need 01:17:58.080 --> 01:18:01.920 Christian voices in these discussions doing a good job with the Christian 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:08.960 stuff because geopolitics hinges on today it hinges on false doctrine 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:11.280 that was introduced over a century ago. 01:18:11.280 --> 01:18:13.440 And it was Schofield didn't up with this stuff. 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:17.920 he cribbed it from Darby and others, but it was inserted into 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:21.600 Western culture in a way that we're stuck with today. 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:27.120 And those footnotes in the annotations that he made are today cited 01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:29.120 as doctrine by many people. 01:18:29.120 --> 01:18:32.640 And the end result is the creation of the state of Israel 01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:38.560 in two carrier battle groups off the shore of Gaza today, ready 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.360 for us to go to war and die for a conflict that 01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:43.040 has nothing to do with us. 01:18:43.200 --> 01:18:48.000 And we see the long coattails of Schofield in many modern study 01:18:48.480 --> 01:18:52.480 Bibles. This is not something where someone needs to have Schofield in 01:18:52.480 --> 01:18:57.440 order to be influenced and really infected by these notes. 01:18:57.440 --> 01:19:01.680 Because there's Ryrie, which is an updating of the Schofield. 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:06.160 There's the MacArthur Study Bible, which in large part is the Schofield 01:19:06.160 --> 01:19:11.360 reworked. Yes, there are many additional notes, but Schofield still comes through, 01:19:11.360 --> 01:19:15.120 and this is the case for really anything produced by those who've 01:19:15.120 --> 01:19:19.680 attended any of the various institutions that are largely dispensationalist, one of 01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:24.800 the biggest offenders would be Dallas Theological Seminary, but the Southern Baptist 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:29.520 Theological Seminary is another major offender when it comes to promulgating and 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.240 pushing dispensationalist heresy. 01:19:32.240 --> 01:19:34.640 So this is very much a live issue. 01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:38.400 This is not something that has faded into the background, and I 01:19:38.400 --> 01:19:42.560 had the same reaction when I saw that particular comment in light 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.960 of the preface. 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:49.840 And that was the one the biggest problem I had with I 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:52.480 guess we could say really this edition, because you can go back 01:19:52.480 --> 01:19:56.560 through and swap out all of the citations to scripture for a 01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:59.280 different translation, that's fine. 01:19:59.280 --> 01:20:01.840 I would love to see a version of this that had, say, 01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:06.240 the ESV or the NASB or any of a number of translations 01:20:06.400 --> 01:20:09.200 other than the King James. 01:20:09.200 --> 01:20:13.520 Now I recognize there are copyright issues, but that's a separate matter. 01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:18.560 It would be more accessible to the reader if a modern translation 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.160 of scripture were used. 01:20:20.160 --> 01:20:23.360 And that's exactly what is admitted in that chapter. 01:20:23.360 --> 01:20:27.040 The King James is just not accessible to people anymore, as we 01:20:27.040 --> 01:20:30.960 went over at length in the previous episode. 01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:34.080 I do find it funny though that it's always the King James, 01:20:34.080 --> 01:20:38.080 which obviously sixteen eleven, although it's never the sixteen eleven because they 01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:40.000 always use the updated version. 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.120 So apparently updating it's fine as long as you're 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:45.920 still calling it the King James? 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:49.280 Because no one is using the original version with the old spelling 01:20:49.280 --> 01:20:50.720 in the Apocrypha. 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:52.240 You never see that. 01:20:52.240 --> 01:20:54.960 Okay. That's not entirely true. 01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:58.320 I did meet one man in a coffee shop who absolutely insisted 01:20:58.320 --> 01:21:01.920 that the original spelling was somehow also important and he had it 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:02.720 on him at the time. 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:06.160 So I've had I've encountered that once in my life. 01:21:06.160 --> 01:21:09.280 But I do find it funny that you don't have the original 01:21:09.280 --> 01:21:12.000 version of the King James being the one they always argue you 01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:13.440 have to use. 01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:17.120 And for some reason it's the King James, and not the Tyndale. 01:21:17.120 --> 01:21:21.600 You have the Tyndale that came before the King James in well, 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.960 it's an older English and it's even more difficult to read. 01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:28.240 But the point is the language has changed, so you need to 01:21:28.240 --> 01:21:29.920 have a version you can read. 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:33.760 I do also find it worth noting that the Tyndale Bible in 01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:38.480 English and the Luther Bible obviously in German essentially the exact same 01:21:38.480 --> 01:21:43.920 years for the initial and full versions fifteen twenty two and fifteen 01:21:44.080 --> 01:21:46.640 thirty four, fifteen thirty five. 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:46.880 And 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.160 to be clear, that critique of of the author in no way 01:21:50.160 --> 01:21:51.680 changes any of his conclusions. 01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:55.200 like Corey said, you could you could swap out any other version 01:21:55.200 --> 01:21:59.200 of the Bible and the theology would the arguments would work just 01:21:59.200 --> 01:21:59.760 as well. 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.240 In fact one of the first citations from the King James that 01:22:02.240 --> 01:22:05.920 he uses, I struggle with like what I what what does that 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:08.240 mean? I'm literate, I'm not dumb. 01:22:08.240 --> 01:22:12.080 And yeah, I if I'm struggling struggling with something, I guarantee that 01:22:12.080 --> 01:22:13.280 other people are. 01:22:13.280 --> 01:22:15.760 And guys who tell me, Oh, you you just need experience with 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.960 it. Well, uh you think that because you think it's a magic 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:19.680 Bible language. 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:21.760 And I'm sorry, I know that there are guys that get really 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:25.200 adamant about this, but you know, right in the text of this 01:22:25.200 --> 01:22:28.960 book, on one hand he says King James is the only thing, 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.320 and on the other he says it's causing problems, and everyone was 01:22:32.320 --> 01:22:33.440 going to the footnotes. 01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:37.360 The footnotes wouldn't have worked if not for the confusing language. 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:41.360 There's also the issue of if you're saying that you have to 01:22:41.360 --> 01:22:44.640 spend time with this in order to know how to read it, 01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:46.320 you're really admitting what you're doing. 01:22:46.320 --> 01:22:48.240 You're learning another language. 01:22:48.240 --> 01:22:52.560 Yes, you're learning a equivalent of, say, a dialect sort of you're 01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:56.560 learning a form of English, but if you're saying that you have 01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:59.120 to spend time with this to learn it, go ahead and learn 01:22:59.120 --> 01:23:05.360 Greek. Just read the untranslated New Testament and the Septuagint, then. 01:23:05.360 --> 01:23:08.640 The problem is you see men who are advocating King James only 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:12.320 and they don't put in the time to actually learn the Greek. 01:23:12.320 --> 01:23:14.880 I'm not saying you have to learn Greek to know scripture, but 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:17.440 I am saying if you're going to absolutely insist that oh you 01:23:17.440 --> 01:23:19.760 have to know this, that, and the other in order to understand 01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:22.160 scripture, Learn the original language. 01:23:22.160 --> 01:23:23.760 Put in the effort and do that. 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:28.240 Don't tell me that I have to read English from four hundred 01:23:28.240 --> 01:23:29.040 years ago 01:23:30.480 --> 01:23:33.840 because the men who were translating it were looking at the Greek 01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:34.880 when they translated it. 01:23:35.360 --> 01:23:37.440 So they were relying on the Greek. 01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:41.520 So if you want to insist that you absolutely must read in 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:45.200 this particular version, go ahead and learn the Greek. 01:23:45.200 --> 01:23:49.200 Then we can have a discussion about whether you find something in 01:23:49.200 --> 01:23:54.400 the Greek that doesn't come through in, say, the English Standard Version 01:23:54.480 --> 01:23:58.960 or the NASB, because then we can actually have a real conversation 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:01.760 about translation choices. 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:06.240 Otherwise it's really just turning the King James into an idol. 01:24:06.240 --> 01:24:08.960 Which is not what scripture is meant to be. 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:12.640 I'm not saying, you know, oh Biblicism is dangerous and you can't 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:14.160 rely too much on scripture. 01:24:14.160 --> 01:24:15.840 No, that's not the point. 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:22.000 The issue is when you turn one particular translation into the Bible. 01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:24.320 That's not how the Word of God works. 01:24:24.320 --> 01:24:27.040 That's not how God has told us it works. 01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:30.000 Because look at the history. 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:35.760 God caused the original Hebrew of the Old Testament and yes Aramaic 01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:39.360 in certain places to be translated into Greek. 01:24:39.360 --> 01:24:41.200 God caused that to happen. 01:24:41.200 --> 01:24:45.520 And then when he came to earth he cited the Greek. 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:49.520 So God gave his stamp of approval to translation. 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:53.600 So using a translation of Scripture is entirely fine. 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:58.960 As we keep telling people, read the scriptures, one, in the Bible 01:24:59.040 --> 01:25:03.520 you actually have, so you actually read, and two, in a language 01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:03.840 you actually 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:09.280 understand. With the one caveat being, if you want to learn a 01:25:09.280 --> 01:25:12.720 foreign language, reading scripture is a great way to do 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:13.040 that. 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:17.280 There's another long quote from this chapter that I want to read. 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.000 I think it's important to know that you know this was written, 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:26.480 I think, 2019, 2020, roughly, and yet this describes current circumstances almost 01:25:26.480 --> 01:25:27.440 to a T. 01:25:27.440 --> 01:25:29.920 A lot of the same names are in this as we're seeing 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:31.120 in the news today. 01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:32.720 As Corey said, that shouldn't. 01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:34.480 We shouldn't be hearing about this stuff. 01:25:34.480 --> 01:25:39.600 But the heresy of Christian Zionism is what has produced the geopolitical 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:41.440 situation we have. 01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:46.480 Quote. Falwell was the founder of Liberty University and operated a popular 01:25:46.480 --> 01:25:47.680 television ministry. 01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:52.560 In 1979, Falwell founded the Moral Majority, a major organization in the 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:54.400 American religious right. 01:25:54.400 --> 01:25:59.520 Israel, the state of Israel, provided Falwell with a personal Learjet, and 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:03.360 in nineteen eighty he became the first Gentile to be awarded the 01:26:03.360 --> 01:26:10.720 Vladimir Zev Jabotinsky Medal for Zionist Excellence by Prime Minister Bagan. 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:15.680 When Israel bombed Iraq in 1981, Bagan called Falwell before Reagan to 01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:18.960 explain to the Christian public the reasons for the bombing. 01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:24.640 Falwell regularly defended and minimized Israeli atrocities and in 1985, pledged to 01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:30.240 the Rabbinical Assembly in Miami to mobilize 70 million conservative Christians for 01:26:30.240 --> 01:26:32.960 Israel and against anti-Semitism. 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:37.200 Continuing the pattern, in nineteen ninety-eight, then and current Prime Minister Benjamin 01:26:37.440 --> 01:26:43.120 Netanyahu met with Falwell before President Clinton, and in two thousand Falwell 01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:47.280 revived the moral majority as People of Faith 2000, a pro-Israel movement 01:26:47.280 --> 01:26:51.120 to reclaim America as one nation under God. 01:26:51.120 --> 01:26:55.840 Sizer writes that Falwell succeeded probably better than any other American Christian 01:26:55.840 --> 01:27:00.080 leader in ensuring his followers recognized that their Christian duty to God 01:27:00.240 --> 01:27:05.120 involved involves providing unconditional support for the state of Israel. 01:27:05.120 --> 01:27:06.560 Oh boy howdy. 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.880 Does not sound like a lot of people on Twitter and pretty 01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:10.640 much everywhere else right now. 01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:14.160 When you see news from the Middle East, this is the first 01:27:14.160 --> 01:27:17.920 thing that many people who call themselves Christians will say. 01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:20.240 We must support Israel. 01:27:20.240 --> 01:27:22.640 Those who bless Israel will be blessed. 01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:26.080 That's what God promised, and it's eternal, and blah blah blah. 01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:31.280 He goes into several chapters detailing specifically how utterly blasphemous and nonsensical 01:27:31.280 --> 01:27:32.320 that is. 01:27:32.320 --> 01:27:37.520 But again, when this was created and then passed through time, it 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:40.400 it has reshaped our world physically. 01:27:40.400 --> 01:27:41.760 It's reshape the physical world. 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:43.280 This isn't just about ideas. 01:27:43.280 --> 01:27:47.200 This isn't just footnotes and theories and theology. 01:27:47.200 --> 01:27:50.240 This is life and death. 01:27:50.240 --> 01:27:52.960 And again, part of the reason it's important for it to be 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:58.080 s discussed in the political sphere, even among unbelievers, is to explain 01:27:58.480 --> 01:28:01.440 it's not the no true Scotsman fallacy for us to say that 01:28:01.440 --> 01:28:03.280 dispensationalism is evil. 01:28:03.280 --> 01:28:05.120 It is per se evil. 01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:08.160 Because it's not simply that these people are getting a few things 01:28:08.160 --> 01:28:10.880 wrong. There are those, you know, maybe they've they've fallen for the 01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:14.480 dispensationalist lies, but they're not particularly invested in them. 01:28:14.480 --> 01:28:15.840 Those people are in error. 01:28:16.080 --> 01:28:17.920 they're Christians who've made a mistake. 01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:22.640 The problem is that when push comes to shove, the vast majority 01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:27.360 of radical adherence to dispensationalism, which is most of them, there's there 01:28:27.360 --> 01:28:29.760 are not many lightweight dispensationalists. 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:32.800 If this is your bag, you're all the way. 01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:38.000 Those people will throw God out the window to support the terrorist 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.200 state of Israel. 01:28:39.200 --> 01:28:41.440 And they think it is more important. 01:28:41.440 --> 01:28:44.240 They think it is more important to do these things than to 01:28:44.240 --> 01:28:45.120 have Jesus. 01:28:45.120 --> 01:28:48.640 And they were told by false teachers that Jesus said that's okay. 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:54.000 It's interesting as he details in the book the history of this 01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:58.800 infiltration of these things every tale tell evangelist you've ever heard, every 01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:02.640 name you would recognize as a grifter, as someone who is a 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:07.120 thief and a liar and a blasphemer, they're all in there. 01:29:07.120 --> 01:29:09.600 They were all paid by the state of Israel to tell the 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:12.880 lies that they told oddly TV. 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:14.560 It was it was a system. 01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:20.080 They became fabulously wealthy serving Satan because it's one of the promises 01:29:20.080 --> 01:29:21.360 that Satan made to Jesus. 01:29:21.360 --> 01:29:23.600 I'll give you everything, just serve me. 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:27.680 Well, Jesus said no, but these televangers like that's a great deal. 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:28.640 I'd love a jet. 01:29:28.640 --> 01:29:29.600 I'd like a free jet. 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:30.880 Wouldn't be nice. 01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:35.200 These guys will happily sell out because they can convince themselves, well, 01:29:35.200 --> 01:29:36.400 no, it's okay. 01:29:36.400 --> 01:29:41.280 And so whether they are knowingly complicit in these lies, which I 01:29:41.280 --> 01:29:43.920 think virtually all of them are, I think they all are, whether 01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:48.400 or not they were knowingly complicit initially, they all have seared their 01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:51.680 consciences to the point that they cannot possibly be Christian when they 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:54.480 continue to perpetuate these things. 01:29:54.480 --> 01:29:55.920 But it's not just theology. 01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.960 It's not just a theological fight, and I think that's an overarching 01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:01.680 theme of the book and of Stone Choir. 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:07.840 This stuff that we're talking about, it's not simply an interdenominational squabble 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.080 over who's reading the Bible better. 01:30:10.080 --> 01:30:14.880 When these ideas are taken into the real world, civilizations rise or 01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:15.920 fall as a result. 01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:19.200 That makes it the most important thing that we can be talking 01:30:19.200 --> 01:30:20.000 about right now. 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:23.920 As Corey alluded to earlier, Satan's not coming after justification. 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:26.800 He's not coming after the nature, two natures of Christ, or any 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.200 of the other things that were past battles. 01:30:29.200 --> 01:30:33.200 He's coming after physical reality, he's coming after sex, he's coming after 01:30:33.200 --> 01:30:36.640 race, he's coming after nations and borders, and saying none of those 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:37.520 things exist. 01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:40.320 And virtually every church is going along with it. 01:30:40.320 --> 01:30:42.400 And the heresy of Christian Zionism 01:30:43.280 --> 01:30:47.040 was in many cases the solvent that made that possible. 01:30:47.040 --> 01:30:53.600 See, they were preaching against so-called anti-Semitism long before the anti-racism screed 01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:55.200 got fired up in churches. 01:30:55.200 --> 01:30:57.120 That's not a coincidence. 01:30:57.120 --> 01:31:01.440 The only way that we have current year problems in our schools 01:31:01.440 --> 01:31:07.120 and our workplaces is trace directly back to this original invention. 01:31:07.120 --> 01:31:11.600 If you have people who are so evil that they're napalm, they're 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:15.440 using the equivalent of napalm, that's effectively what white phosphorus is. 01:31:15.440 --> 01:31:19.120 It's just that it's something that you can get away with because 01:31:19.120 --> 01:31:21.520 there's a legitimate battlefield use for it. 01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:23.120 It's not how they use it. 01:31:23.120 --> 01:31:26.880 When they use that stuff against civilians, when they bomb hospitals as 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:31.440 they just did tonight, the dispensationalists are gonna say, Well, we gotta 01:31:31.440 --> 01:31:32.320 bless Israel. 01:31:32.320 --> 01:31:34.960 You know, that those those Hamas people, those Muslims, they were the 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:35.280 bad guys. 01:31:36.240 --> 01:31:40.000 And to be clear, I don't think the Muslims are the good 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.080 guys religiously. 01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:46.880 It's not that Jews and Muslims one has a better religion, one 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:50.240 has a wor for worse religion because we know that they both 01:31:50.240 --> 01:31:51.600 worship Satan. 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:52.880 That's what scripture says. 01:31:53.040 --> 01:31:55.280 they don't worship Allah and Yahweh. 01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:58.160 They worship Satan because they don't worship Christ. 01:31:58.160 --> 01:32:01.600 They reject Christ as their religious identity. 01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:04.800 So when we talk about this, it's not picking a side in 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:05.600 that fight. 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:09.280 It's simply saying the evil that is being done is not being 01:32:09.280 --> 01:32:12.240 done a it's their problem, it's their fight. 01:32:12.240 --> 01:32:14.240 If they want to be evil to each other, it's none of 01:32:14.240 --> 01:32:15.200 our business. 01:32:15.200 --> 01:32:19.520 But when we look at what's happening, it's clear that the invention 01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:23.840 of Christian Zionism, so-called, was necessary for them to be able to 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:24.560 get away with it. 01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:27.920 It. If any other country on the planet were doing what they're 01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:31.120 doing right now, we would have intervened to stop them. 01:32:31.120 --> 01:32:33.600 We would have bombed them to prevent it. 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.000 And again, like, you know, we we try not to make this 01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:40.160 timely, but frankly, you could listen to this on any random day 01:32:40.160 --> 01:32:43.840 in any random year and have a pretty decent chance that it 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:46.000 would still actually be ripped from the headlines. 01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:47.840 Because this crap is always going on. 01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:51.920 And it's going on because this doctrine was permitted among Christians 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:56.240 and it eventually replaced Christianity itself. 01:32:56.640 --> 01:32:56.800 I 01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:59.520 think one of the only things you really need to 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:05.600 highlight how wicked dispensationalism is, Christian Zionism is 01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:09.600 first Timothy five eight, a verse that we have used a number 01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:11.360 of times previously. 01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:15.360 If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members 01:33:15.360 --> 01:33:19.200 of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than 01:33:19.200 --> 01:33:21.280 an unbeliever. 01:33:21.280 --> 01:33:23.600 And if you look at those who 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:30.400 say that they support the nation of Israel in quotes, they will, 01:33:30.240 --> 01:33:36.720 and they are in fact quite happy to support Israel above and 01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:38.640 before their own. 01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:40.720 And this verse is very clear. 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:43.120 That makes them apostate. 01:33:43.360 --> 01:33:48.640 You have, particularly among the older generation, but some in the younger 01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:53.760 generations as well, notably significantly decreasing, which is good news, but you 01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:58.080 have many who are willing to send their sons, their grandsons over 01:33:58.240 --> 01:33:58.880 to die 01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:00.160 for 01:34:01.040 --> 01:34:06.480 Israel in a war in which we have no interest, which will 01:34:06.480 --> 01:34:09.440 not benefit us in any way, shape, or form, which does not 01:34:09.440 --> 01:34:14.160 involve us, unless of course Israel decides to use the Samson option, 01:34:14.160 --> 01:34:17.200 but that is a separate matter. 01:34:17.200 --> 01:34:20.720 If they are willing to send their own flesh and blood, their 01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:23.360 own children, to die for some foreign people 01:34:24.320 --> 01:34:26.080 they're worse than an unbeliever. 01:34:26.080 --> 01:34:28.320 That's what Scripture calls them. 01:34:28.320 --> 01:34:33.760 We cannot call the people who hold to these heresies Christian. 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:35.920 Does that mean they are all damned? 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:36.480 No, of course 01:34:37.360 --> 01:34:40.880 not. Lutherans have the perfect answer for this one. 01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:43.600 We call it felicitous inconsistency. 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:45.360 We've mentioned this before. 01:34:45.360 --> 01:34:50.400 It may be that these men publicly profess one thing, but when 01:34:50.400 --> 01:34:55.440 it comes right down to it, they still trust in Christ. 01:34:55.440 --> 01:34:57.120 They still have faith. 01:34:57.120 --> 01:35:00.800 They still believe there is only one way to the Father. 01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:06.320 And certainly we hope that, for some of them at least, perhaps 01:35:06.320 --> 01:35:08.160 most of them. 01:35:08.160 --> 01:35:11.200 God of course hopes that all will be saved, and we agree 01:35:11.200 --> 01:35:12.640 with that. 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:17.360 However, we recognize the evil of these men, and we recognize that 01:35:17.360 --> 01:35:22.560 many of them are hardened, their consciences are seared, they have chosen 01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:26.640 wickedness, they have chosen evil, they are not Christians, and that is 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:32.080 simply what Scripture says of them, we don't get to debate whether 01:35:32.080 --> 01:35:34.160 or not these men are Christians. 01:35:34.160 --> 01:35:38.000 If Scripture says they are not, then they are not. 01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:42.080 Even if in their heart of hearts where we cannot look, God 01:35:42.080 --> 01:35:46.720 alone can look, they happen still to be Christians, we have to 01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:51.040 deal with them according to what they do outwardly, because we can 01:35:51.040 --> 01:35:54.000 only look on the outward behavior. 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.920 We can see what they say, we can see what they do. 01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:01.120 We have to judge according to those things, and we went over 01:36:01.120 --> 01:36:04.800 what it means to judge or judge not in a previous episode, 01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:10.880 conveniently entitled Judge not, not in parentheses, but we have to deal 01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:11.840 with these men 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:16.880 as they are, as we can see them, according to their deeds 01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:21.120 according to their words, and according to their deeds and their words, 01:36:21.120 --> 01:36:25.520 they are apostate, they are outside the faith, because they do not 01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:30.240 provide for their relatives, they have abandoned their households, they have abandoned 01:36:30.240 --> 01:36:33.760 their own, for the sake of foreigners, and not just for the 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:39.040 sake of foreigners, but for the sake of particularly wicked and vile 01:36:39.040 --> 01:36:41.040 pagans, in the 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:45.840 encompassing sense of pagan, which simply means not Christian. 01:36:46.080 --> 01:36:49.840 It would be one thing if they were advocating that we have 01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:52.720 to interfere to protect Christians somewhere. 01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:55.120 And there have been opportunities for that recently. 01:36:55.120 --> 01:36:59.680 There have been many opportunities for that historically, to defend persecuted Christians 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:01.360 around the world. 01:37:01.360 --> 01:37:03.680 They aren't advocating for that. 01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:08.240 They're advocating that we go and shed our blood and expend our 01:37:08.240 --> 01:37:15.360 treasure for those who every single day, multiple times a day, deliberately 01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:19.120 blaspheme God and curse Christians. 01:37:19.120 --> 01:37:22.640 There is absolutely no way we can call that Christian. 01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:25.680 And the details of those prayers are presented in one of the 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:27.600 later chapters. 01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:32.240 In chapter five on the theology of Christian Zionism, uh the author 01:37:32.240 --> 01:37:35.040 does a really good job examining a number of the Zionist proof 01:37:35.040 --> 01:37:39.120 texts that have historically been deployed to basically get us to where 01:37:39.120 --> 01:37:40.160 we are today. 01:37:40.160 --> 01:37:42.880 I want to read a couple snippets here. 01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:48.800 For example, Carlson argues that the 1967 new Schofield Reference Bible deifies 01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:49.920 the state of Israel. 01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:54.160 One newly inserted footnote reads For a nation to commit the sin 01:37:54.160 --> 01:37:57.280 of antisemitism brings inevitable judgment. 01:37:57.280 --> 01:38:00.240 That's a footnote to Genesis twelve three. 01:38:00.240 --> 01:38:03.360 These words, which might as well have been written by Theodore Herzel 01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:07.680 or Ariel Sheron, are found in the Bible, that is followed by 01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:10.640 millions of American church goers and students and is used by their 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:13.440 leaders as a source for their preaching and teaching. 01:38:13.440 --> 01:38:18.320 Carlson explains that Oxford has hereby made antipathies toward the state of 01:38:18.320 --> 01:38:20.080 Israel a sin. 01:38:20.080 --> 01:38:23.360 Well, isn't that exactly what Cory and I are accused of? 01:38:23.360 --> 01:38:25.360 The sin of antisemitism? 01:38:25.360 --> 01:38:27.200 That didn't come from scripture. 01:38:27.200 --> 01:38:30.560 It in It in large part it came from the Schofield update 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:32.320 in nineteen sixty seven. 01:38:32.320 --> 01:38:35.280 These moving pieces, one of the reasons that we focus on the 01:38:35.280 --> 01:38:39.440 genealogy of ideas is when you start looking at where this sin 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.240 came from, not only don't you find the scripture, but you will 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:45.600 find it in many cases within living memory. 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:47.600 As a Christian, that should terrify you. 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:52.640 That is literally a new religion being hot swapped for our own. 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:54.400 It's happening on the fly. 01:38:54.400 --> 01:38:57.760 It's like swapping organs in someone while they're alive. 01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:00.720 You put them on heartlung bypass and you just chop something out 01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:02.240 and you slap something in. 01:39:02.240 --> 01:39:05.440 That's what's being done to Christianity by this stuff. 01:39:05.440 --> 01:39:08.560 So the sins that have been made up in the twentieth century 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:13.360 that men like us are accused of are literally created for the 01:39:13.360 --> 01:39:16.400 purpose of achieving some of the other evils that he goes into 01:39:16.400 --> 01:39:16.880 this book. 01:39:17.200 --> 01:39:19.600 we're getting along, we're kind of close to two hours at this 01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:21.440 point. I guess I can tell you I mentioned earlier there are 01:39:21.440 --> 01:39:23.280 a couple chapters. 01:39:23.280 --> 01:39:26.160 I I only skimmed them because I was aware of some of 01:39:26.160 --> 01:39:28.560 the material and we'll get into some of that what what that 01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:32.880 was, but the depths of the evil that are downstream from these 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:34.960 things that we're talking about here. 01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:37.280 I we're not even gonna we're not even gonna talk about it. 01:39:37.280 --> 01:39:39.520 I I don't I don't want to put it in your ears. 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:41.920 I I commend the book to folks. 01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:44.960 If you buy it, there's some chapters that you may choose to 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.280 skip. You may You may you may get a few pages in 01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:49.280 and I can't take any more of this. 01:39:49.280 --> 01:39:51.520 And it's not that the author is doing anything bad. 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:57.280 He's just unflinchingly reporting as a decent historian, as a good historian, 01:39:57.280 --> 01:39:58.960 here are the facts. 01:39:58.960 --> 01:39:59.840 And the facts 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:03.840 are they're unspeakable. 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:07.840 I that's it's an overused term, but I we're not gonna speak 01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:09.760 them on this podcast because I don't want to do that to 01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:10.480 your ears. 01:40:10.480 --> 01:40:12.480 You can go opt into it and see on the page and 01:40:12.480 --> 01:40:15.840 decide if you want to be subjected to it. 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:20.080 Another quote by blessing the state of Israel, Christian Zionists believe that 01:40:20.160 --> 01:40:24.720 as Schofield said, Gentiles today are thereby blessed in association with the 01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:26.320 state of Israel. 01:40:26.320 --> 01:40:30.640 They frequently misapply God's promise to Abraham, that I will bless them 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:35.040 that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee, and in thee 01:40:35.040 --> 01:40:37.920 shall all families of the earth be blessed. 01:40:38.160 --> 01:40:44.800 Now, this is a shocking and blasphemous misapplication of that passage because 01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:48.640 when Abraham is going to be used to bless all the families 01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:51.200 of the earth, that's talking about Jesus. 01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:54.160 And I think that's a seminal point that cannot be missed when 01:40:54.160 --> 01:40:57.840 we're looking at dispensationalism and Zionism. 01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:04.320 They replace Jesus in Scripture with the modern nation state of Israel, 01:41:04.320 --> 01:41:09.280 just as the Holocaust replaced the crucifixion, and just as Hitler replaced 01:41:09.280 --> 01:41:14.800 Satan, you have these wholesale swaps of the fundamental elements of Christian 01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:19.280 doctrine, not small stuff, where we're not talking peripheral issues here. 01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:25.280 They literally remove Jesus from the explanation for this passage and insert 01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:30.480 a country, a modern synthetic country of wicked evil people. 01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:32.720 It's a pedophile capital of the world. 01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:34.880 It's the homosexual capital of the world. 01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:37.200 It's the transsexual capital of the world. 01:41:37.200 --> 01:41:40.560 It it's Satan's throne on earth today. 01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.520 And when these people say we must bless them at all costs, 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:47.360 all costs is us, as Cory said in reference to first Timothy, 01:41:47.360 --> 01:41:50.400 as talking about us and our children, our posterity. 01:41:50.400 --> 01:41:53.200 Let them die so that Israel might live. 01:41:53.200 --> 01:41:55.280 Why? Because the promise to Abraham. 01:41:56.080 --> 01:41:58.240 That's it's just demonic. 01:41:58.240 --> 01:42:00.880 I I I'm I'm almost at a loss for words. 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:04.960 And yet this is the this is the essence of how Zionism 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:09.200 works. There's bait and switch, there's removal of Christianity in terms that 01:42:09.200 --> 01:42:12.960 sound Bibley, this is the Jesus dust, and then what do you 01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:16.000 do? You start doing weak wicked things and you say you're doing 01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:16.960 it in the name of God. 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:18.480 And then you're off to the races. 01:42:18.480 --> 01:42:20.960 Because if you're doing wicked things in the name of God, you 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:22.400 gotta do them as hard as you can. 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:24.640 That's where we're at today. 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:29.360 The Bible that was corrupted by Schofield and the false preaching that 01:42:29.360 --> 01:42:33.520 comes from the heresy of Christian Zionism is one of the things 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:34.960 that uttergirds all of it. 01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:39.760 And necessary to those false beliefs again is racism and anti-Semitism. 01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:43.440 None of this works without those new sins. 01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:43.760 I 01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:46.960 think this is this whole whole discussion is a very good illustration 01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:51.680 of just how all this stuff is really tied together. 01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:55.600 And again, from uh kind of my own background, you know, I 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:59.440 I can attest that there's uh again, there's plenty of conservative Christians 01:42:59.440 --> 01:43:02.720 who would take issue with uh one thing here or one thing 01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:06.640 there, you know, like they they don't like uh um transsexualism or 01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:11.040 maybe they're even uncomfortable with anti whiteness, but they would really really 01:43:11.040 --> 01:43:14.960 balk at at understanding how all of these things are are very 01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:16.960 intrinsically connected to another. 01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:20.560 And uh how uh like you both were were saying and I 01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:25.360 especially liked what um Corey was saying from uh uh the book 01:43:25.360 --> 01:43:29.600 of Timothy, how um you know, this leads to uh the sacrifice 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.640 of your own family members and your own children on this uh 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:38.320 false uh altar, this false idol of egalitarianism and anti racism and 01:43:38.320 --> 01:43:39.840 anti Semitism. 01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:43.920 Um and I'm not gonna go into it because I I I 01:43:44.160 --> 01:43:46.880 I think I've pi picked up on that um from what you're 01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:49.760 saying, well, but there's a chapter in the book that's one of 01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:53.120 the uh ones that I also found difficult to read uh that 01:43:53.440 --> 01:43:58.480 uh talks about uh instances uh of in in recent history in 01:43:58.480 --> 01:44:02.560 the past like decade or so of you know where you had 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:06.160 uh uh people murdered by refugees or something like that and and 01:44:06.160 --> 01:44:10.480 the response by their own family members was um uh not even 01:44:10.480 --> 01:44:14.960 to in some cases to you know to say well we're forgiving, 01:44:14.960 --> 01:44:16.960 we just want to move on, but in some cases they even 01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:19.760 go go further than that and they use it as they use 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.880 the the death of their own family members as an opportunity to 01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:25.120 attack their race even further. 01:44:25.120 --> 01:44:28.800 So it's just it's it it is really evil and it's really 01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:36.080 amazing how how in incredible this this change to again what is 01:44:36.400 --> 01:44:40.880 kind of the uh cultural phenomenon of christianity how amazing that that 01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:44.080 change has been when you kind of look back like this book 01:44:44.080 --> 01:44:47.680 does and you uh look at that journey and how it's taken 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:48.320 place. 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:51.760 That's a good point that's actually continued in the next chapter w 01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:54.400 which is on the the myth of Judeo Christianity. 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:57.120 Talking about the evolution of these things. 01:44:57.120 --> 01:45:00.000 This is just a great quote and I I I'd never heard 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.720 it before, but it makes such perfect sense. 01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:08.000 Thorpe points to noontime on December twenty second, nineteen fifty-two as the 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:13.360 precise day, nay, the precise hour, the term Judeo Christian tradition achieved 01:45:13.360 --> 01:45:16.800 its vaunted victory over the term Christian tradition. 01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:22.080 President elect Dwight Eisenhower declared that the American Republic is founded in 01:45:22.080 --> 01:45:26.000 a deeply felt religious faith, and I don't care what it is. 01:45:26.000 --> 01:45:29.920 With us, of course, it is the Judeo Christian concept, but it 01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:33.440 must be a religion that teaches all men are created equal. 01:45:33.440 --> 01:45:38.400 In one fell swoop, Eisenhower reconfigured the American founding to be Judeo 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:42.880 Christian, and unprecedented in a historical superimposition. 01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:46.560 Our Latter day Saint Martin Luther King Jr., who shares with Jesus 01:45:46.560 --> 01:45:50.560 Christ the honor of a federal holiday for his birthday, utilized Judeo 01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:54.640 Christian as a way of grafting historical logic onto the Black Power 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:59.360 movement. By the nineteen eighties, the appellation of a Judeo Christian heritage, 01:45:59.360 --> 01:46:03.680 having begun its life as a slogan of Jewish revolutionaries, it achieved 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:08.320 mainstream status, such that it became a signature expression particularly among the 01:46:08.320 --> 01:46:09.440 religious right. 01:46:09.440 --> 01:46:12.560 And the term Judeo Krishna is used even in our seminaries by 01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:15.840 who are supposed to be the good guys, yeah, the the conservative, 01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:19.680 the really solid confessional Lutheran seminary professors. 01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:20.880 Say Judeo-Christian. 01:46:21.040 --> 01:46:22.560 I think there's nothing wrong with it. 01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:25.120 That's something we got into in one of the episodes on the 01:46:25.120 --> 01:46:27.200 Jews, the four part series. 01:46:27.200 --> 01:46:31.680 It's part of the Marcionite heresy that the Old Testament is the 01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:35.360 Jewish book, and the New Testament is the Christian book. 01:46:35.360 --> 01:46:39.040 And when you do that, suddenly you have two gods too. 01:46:39.040 --> 01:46:41.920 You have a God of the Old Testament, whom they often refer 01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:44.480 to. And then you have the God of the New Testament. 01:46:44.480 --> 01:46:47.840 And we can see and touch and hear Jesus Christ in the 01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:48.480 New Testament. 01:46:48.480 --> 01:46:50.080 So he's a God in the New Testament. 01:46:50.080 --> 01:46:52.480 But in the Old Testament, there was this other God who was 01:46:52.480 --> 01:46:55.280 mean and he killed a lot of people, then he had these 01:46:55.280 --> 01:46:58.320 harsh rules, but then the new God showed up and fixed it 01:46:58.320 --> 01:47:00.240 all, made us all loving. 01:47:00.240 --> 01:47:01.520 That's what we're told. 01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:04.160 You know, not in so many words in some cases, but when 01:47:04.160 --> 01:47:06.880 you say geo Judeo Christian, that's what you're saying. 01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:09.840 You're saying I buy into that, that there was one period for 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.000 them and there's another period for us. 01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:16.320 Well, that's basically just baby dispensationalism, which is not the case. 01:47:16.320 --> 01:47:21.360 As we laid out in one of those episodes, Noah, Adam, these 01:47:21.360 --> 01:47:23.520 men were not Jews. 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.840 Abraham, not a Jew. 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:30.320 They were Christians, and they were not ethnically Jewish. 01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:31.680 It's complete nonsense. 01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:33.440 It's utterly historical. 01:47:33.440 --> 01:47:38.000 Jews lasted in scripture for two thousand years, from about two thousand 01:47:38.080 --> 01:47:40.000 BC to the birth of Christ. 01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:43.920 And then what continued, there was a rapid conversion of some of 01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:47.360 the Jews, and it's important when we're discussing them as we as 01:47:47.360 --> 01:47:50.320 we did in those episodes, many of the Jews of that day 01:47:50.320 --> 01:47:52.000 converted to Christianity. 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:57.200 Much of the early church had been Jews, Jews by race and 01:47:57.200 --> 01:47:59.600 Jews by religion. 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.840 The reason that they converted was that it wasn't really a conversion. 01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:05.680 It was they were Christians. 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:08.880 And when Christ show up, when the Messiah showed up, like, yep, 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:09.600 there he is. 01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:12.640 The Messiah who was prophesied was delivered to us. 01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:14.720 That is what happened, and that's what they believed. 01:48:15.200 --> 01:48:20.000 So, you know, Paul had to be converted because he was murderous. 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:21.920 Mary didn't have to be converted. 01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:24.800 When the angel appeared to her and announced that she would be 01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:27.520 with child, she wasn't converted to a Christian. 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:29.440 She's like, I believe you, God. 01:48:29.440 --> 01:48:33.280 It was the same faith one minute before as one minute after. 01:48:33.280 --> 01:48:35.680 She was a Christian the entire time. 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:39.920 The necessity of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus was 'cause 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:41.200 he was a Pharisee. 01:48:41.200 --> 01:48:47.520 He was what rapidly became Talmudic Judaism, which is something that's discussed 01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:49.040 in a an upcoming chapter. 01:48:49.040 --> 01:48:51.760 We're not gonna get into details of it, but the Talmud is 01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:54.240 an absolutely wicked perverse book. 01:48:54.240 --> 01:48:58.640 And when King Louis burned as many as he could get his 01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:02.320 hand on in the disputation of Paris, that was a service to 01:49:02.320 --> 01:49:04.720 God. The rest of them should be burned as well. 01:49:05.040 --> 01:49:09.760 That would be appropriate for Christians Christian states to do. 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:13.120 I'm not saying individuals should be stealing them, but those books should 01:49:13.120 --> 01:49:13.680 be burnt. 01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:15.120 They're absolutely wicked. 01:49:15.120 --> 01:49:17.120 And there are a bunch of quotes in a later chapter discussing 01:49:17.120 --> 01:49:18.960 that. Just make abundantly clear. 01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:21.600 You know, again, it's he the author d does a really good 01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:24.080 job of just laying out facts, you know, just as we tried 01:49:24.080 --> 01:49:25.040 to do on Stone Court. 01:49:25.040 --> 01:49:27.360 Like here you go, one fact after another. 01:49:27.360 --> 01:49:29.520 We're not gonna delve into it too much because we're we're getting 01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:33.760 along on time, but when you present those things, a lot of 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:38.640 what's presented, particularly in the later chapters on the Talmud, it's it's 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:40.960 vile. It's absolutely wicked. 01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:44.800 It goes into the lies and the blasphemies that every Jew is 01:49:44.800 --> 01:49:50.240 taught, every Jew to this day, because after the destruction of the 01:49:50.240 --> 01:49:54.800 temple they codified the beliefs of the Pharisees and the Sadducees who 01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:57.600 rejected Christ, and some of them converted, you know, at least some 01:49:57.600 --> 01:49:59.520 of the Pharisees converted. 01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:05.920 Those who didn't accept Christ as their savior produced a new religion. 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:12.560 And so the Judeo and Judeo-Christian, it's effectively saying Satan Christian, this 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:17.600 satanic religion that emerged from the ashes of the destruction of the 01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:23.440 second temple among these absolutely apostate demonic people whom Christ called the 01:50:23.440 --> 01:50:25.120 sons of Satan. 01:50:25.120 --> 01:50:27.840 And today consciences are bound. 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:32.080 If you don't say Judeo-Christian, there's something wrong with you because what 01:50:32.160 --> 01:50:34.560 we have to recognize our elder brothers in the faith. 01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:38.880 Well I recognize them to the extent that Scripture does, but I 01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:44.240 also recognize that the greater punishment is upon them because their inheritance 01:50:44.240 --> 01:50:45.760 they despise. 01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:50.320 We were grafted into the branch of Israel by God's grace, which 01:50:50.320 --> 01:50:53.920 makes us Israel and is a gift, just as everyone who receives 01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:56.000 faith is receiving it as a gift. 01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:58.000 That's basic Christian theology. 01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:01.360 And yet, if you say what scripture says about the Jews today, 01:51:01.360 --> 01:51:02.960 you're literally called anti-Semitic. 01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:05.280 There are laws being passed around the country right now. 01:51:05.280 --> 01:51:06.960 It's already happened in Florida. 01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:12.080 If you say what Scripture says about the Jews, the theologically, you 01:51:12.080 --> 01:51:14.320 will face prison time. 01:51:14.320 --> 01:51:17.200 That's on this that's on our soil. 01:51:17.200 --> 01:51:20.320 And it shouldn't be any surprise because again, all these things are 01:51:20.320 --> 01:51:20.960 in motion. 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:27.680 All these theological quibbles quickly turn to policy and they turn to 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:32.960 death and destruction and despair because Satan is running the board. 01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:36.560 So I I'm really thankful that he laid out the some of 01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:38.080 the details of that myth. 01:51:38.080 --> 01:51:40.640 It's something we've covered as well, but again I think it's part 01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:43.680 of what makes this book a really good compliment to Stone Choir, 01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:46.560 particularly if you want to introduce some of these subjects to somebody 01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:48.720 who maybe isn't going to listen to a podcast or you think 01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:50.000 it might be too much. 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:52.640 There are things in this book that will be shocking, like you 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:56.560 said, they go further than we want to discuss out loud simply 01:51:56.560 --> 01:52:00.000 for the sake of not giving people nightmares. 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:04.880 But that's the level of detailed evil we're talking about. 01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:06.320 And it's inextricable. 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:10.480 Is he he is he makes the case in the historical in 01:52:10.480 --> 01:52:14.000 the next chapter on historical Christianity on Judaism, there's just a short 01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:17.840 chapter, but he quotes Chris Chrysostom and Luther saying the same things 01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:22.400 that we say, that these are bad people, they're enemies of God. 01:52:22.400 --> 01:52:24.000 That's what God says. 01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:26.880 And as Christians, we should be able to say that without any 01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:27.840 fear or doubt. 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:29.680 In fact, we're obligated to. 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:33.200 You know, if if telling the truth is out of season, and 01:52:33.200 --> 01:52:36.640 if itching ears want to hear something else, the Christian is still 01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:40.400 under an obligation to God almighty to say what Scripture says. 01:52:40.400 --> 01:52:43.440 In fact, that's when it's the most important time to say it. 01:52:43.440 --> 01:52:46.480 If these things didn't matter, if no one cared, if they weren't 01:52:46.480 --> 01:52:49.840 getting people upset, sure, you could talk about other things, because there'd 01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:52.240 be something else that would be upsetting people in scripture. 01:52:52.240 --> 01:52:55.520 But today these passages, these are the things that will inspire such 01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:58.720 anger and hatred that people will try to physically harm 01:52:58.720 --> 01:52:59.920 you. On 01:52:59.920 --> 01:53:04.560 the Talmud note, I have been asked a number of times recently 01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:09.760 for readings or book recommendations related to the Talmud. 01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:11.920 I will include one in the show notes. 01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:16.080 It is a book by Peter Schaefer, who is a Jewish professor, 01:53:16.080 --> 01:53:20.560 but it is a book on the passages, many of the passages, 01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:23.680 not all of them, dealing with Christ in the Talmud. 01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:27.600 It is quite frankly an important book for Christians to read, or 01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:30.560 at least get a summary of what is covered. 01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:34.960 Eventually we will get around to an episode on the Talmud proper. 01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:37.600 I will not promise when that will be, that's going to be 01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:38.560 in the distant future. 01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:41.360 We have many other things on the list to get through first. 01:53:41.360 --> 01:53:44.880 However, Schaefer's book does a good job of that. 01:53:44.880 --> 01:53:50.720 And it also touches to some degree on the traditional Jewish prayers 01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:52.560 that curse Christians. 01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:54.720 I've answered that other places as well. 01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:59.200 Perhaps I'll do a write-up on that at some point. 01:53:59.200 --> 01:54:03.520 But I want to be clear about the topics in this book 01:54:03.520 --> 01:54:08.640 that we are reviewing today discussing today that will make some of 01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:10.160 you uncomfortable. 01:54:10.160 --> 01:54:13.120 We're not trying to hide what they are, we're not playing coy. 01:54:13.120 --> 01:54:18.640 It's dealing with sex crimes sex crimes and the reality of mass 01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:24.800 immigration so called really invasion of the West by the Third World. 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:28.880 The reality on the ground of what that means for largely women 01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:32.880 and children, but also in fact some men. 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:38.000 I may be somewhat biased, but I would say that the the 01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:43.760 treatment in this book is not unduly detailed, it is not unwarrantedly 01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:48.000 explicit. I think he strikes a fairly good balance when it comes 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:51.920 to that describing the accounts, but not going into like I said, 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:56.960 not undue detail, but I've also read some rather horrible fact patterns 01:54:56.960 --> 01:55:00.800 for various legal cases in the past, so I may be a 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:02.080 little biased on that. 01:55:02.080 --> 01:55:04.880 I do think that he does strike a good balance, though, and 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:07.120 I I think Well would probably agree with me on that. 01:55:07.120 --> 01:55:12.160 Still unpleasant to read, of course, but it is the reality of 01:55:12.160 --> 01:55:13.440 the situation. 01:55:13.440 --> 01:55:17.600 And particularly for the male listeners, and that would be the majority 01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:18.640 of our audience. 01:55:20.080 --> 01:55:24.800 You are not given the luxury of ignoring reality, particularly when it 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.080 is staring us in the face at every juncture as it is 01:55:28.080 --> 01:55:35.760 today. What is covered in those chapters will make you uncomfortable, 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:37.760 will make you angry, and it should. 01:55:37.760 --> 01:55:42.000 And that's a good thing, because that is the proper Christian response. 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:45.520 That is the proper response for a Christian man. 01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:48.880 It should drive us to want to change these things. 01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:54.560 It is an indictment of our forebears that despite having this knowledge, 01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:58.560 despite seeing what is happening, they did nothing. 01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:03.680 Well do not want to share in their wickedness by also failing 01:56:03.680 --> 01:56:04.960 to address these issues. 01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:08.560 And so it is important to understand the issues, to know what 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:11.680 they are, to know what is happening, so that we can have 01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:13.040 a proper response to them. 01:56:14.160 --> 01:56:15.360 Yeah, I agree completely. 01:56:15.360 --> 01:56:17.440 When I when I said I skipped over the stuff, I was 01:56:17.440 --> 01:56:18.480 already familiar with it. 01:56:18.480 --> 01:56:20.720 I didn't need a refresher. 01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:22.960 Many of our listeners probably don't know. 01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:27.040 Uh in chapter eight, it goes into the Talmud specifically, talks about 01:56:27.040 --> 01:56:31.920 the Talmud's hatred for scripture, talks about how it justifies violence and 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:33.600 murder against Gentiles. 01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:36.240 That's everyone else. 01:56:36.320 --> 01:56:40.960 And then in chapter nine, it goes into the specific manners in 01:56:40.960 --> 01:56:44.640 which they believe they are permitted to harm us. 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:47.760 And like I said, I Corey, I completely agree with what you 01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:50.800 said about the the degree of of detail of detail it's given. 01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:51.920 It's citations. 01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:54.320 He he's not just making stuff up. 01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:59.760 he's giving quotes and citations from real world events over and over 01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:00.880 and over again. 01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:02.800 And it doesn't belabor the point. 01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.800 It's necessary to reinforce that. 01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:07.680 It's not just, oh, there was one bad guy. 01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:09.760 This is their religion. 01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:15.680 The religion of bombing hospitals and starving children is their religion. 01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:17.280 That's what they do. 01:57:17.280 --> 01:57:21.920 And when they're doing it in current year, in current moment, they're 01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:24.240 saying those people deserve it as they're doing it. 01:57:24.240 --> 01:57:25.200 That's their religion. 01:57:25.200 --> 01:57:26.320 They're being honest. 01:57:26.320 --> 01:57:28.960 They're being completely honest about whom they serve. 01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:30.560 Except for calling him God. 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:31.600 They serve Satan. 01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:35.040 But you can tell by their actions whom they actually serve. 01:57:35.040 --> 01:57:40.640 Chapter nine: the title is Case Studies in Jewish Hostility: Degeneracy, Filth, 01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:42.560 and pornography. 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:42.880 And 01:57:44.400 --> 01:57:48.400 he omitted the second half of the of that chapter from the 01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:53.360 the header, but the second half is specifically about the sacrifice of 01:57:53.360 --> 01:58:00.560 children by Jews murdered murdering Christian children exanguinating them and using white 01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:04.160 children's blood for their magic rituals. 01:58:04.160 --> 01:58:08.480 Now I think that probably most people listening don't know anything about 01:58:08.480 --> 01:58:12.720 that. You might know the term blood libel, but you you know, 01:58:12.720 --> 01:58:14.320 libel, obviously it's false. 01:58:14.320 --> 01:58:18.320 Well, the one of the great things about that chapter in this 01:58:18.320 --> 01:58:23.040 book is that he makes extensive citations from a scholarly work by 01:58:23.040 --> 01:58:25.600 uh a work called Blood Passover. 01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:30.560 It was published in 2007 by a Jew named Ariel Toaf, the 01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:33.040 son of the former chief rabbi of Rome. 01:58:33.040 --> 01:58:39.280 So this is a Jew who's did an excellent, incredibly in-depth historical 01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:45.280 examination of the entire history of Jews murdering Christian children and stealing 01:58:45.280 --> 01:58:47.920 their blood and using them for their magic rituals. 01:58:48.160 --> 01:58:51.680 Going back to the beginning of the first millennium, I think some 01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:54.400 of the earlier accounts were from like 400 AD. 01:58:54.400 --> 01:58:56.480 And it gives great detail in each of them. 01:58:56.480 --> 01:58:59.360 And again, like I skipped some because I I didn't know some 01:58:59.360 --> 01:59:03.680 of those details, but I don't I don't need further convincing of 01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:05.520 just how demonic these people are. 01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:06.960 Some of you probably do. 01:59:06.960 --> 01:59:11.280 And that's one of the valuable things about this particular chapter is 01:59:11.280 --> 01:59:14.880 that the first part of his is talking about how they have 01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:21.440 used the liberalization of sexuality and sexualization of mass culture, which they 01:59:21.520 --> 01:59:26.880 of course control, to act as a solvent against the church, against 01:59:26.880 --> 01:59:29.360 the family, and against civilization itself. 01:59:29.360 --> 01:59:33.440 And again, it's a case where he goes into in significant innecessary 01:59:33.440 --> 01:59:38.080 depth on the excitement the Jews have as they're doing these things. 01:59:38.240 --> 01:59:40.320 Pornography is entirely Jewish. 01:59:40.320 --> 01:59:44.720 The destruction of the laws against the dissemination of pornography also entirely 01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:49.040 Jewish. It was Jewish lawyers with Jewish plaintiffs or Jewish defendants in 01:59:49.040 --> 01:59:52.880 most cases, because they're being prosecuted for committing crimes against a against 01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:56.480 America. And then Jewish judges would say, no, it's okay, we have 01:59:56.480 --> 01:59:59.040 the Bill of Rights, and so you're allowed to do this horrible 01:59:59.040 --> 02:00:02.800 stuff. This is the enemy that the West faces. 02:00:02.800 --> 02:00:04.720 Yeah, I think that's what that's why I say I think the 02:00:04.880 --> 02:00:07.600 the center half of this book is the most vital part of 02:00:07.600 --> 02:00:11.120 it because it lays out in detail, in documented detail. 02:00:11.120 --> 02:00:16.320 Like again, this isn't just the author extemporaneously spouting off about this 02:00:16.320 --> 02:00:20.000 stuff. He does a good job as a historian citing other historians 02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:23.280 who've delved into these things, like just laying it all out. 02:00:23.280 --> 02:00:26.640 When you look at the totality of the evidence that he presents, 02:00:26.640 --> 02:00:28.560 as Corey said, you're going to be angry. 02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:32.720 It made me viscerally angry to read this. 02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:34.480 It was a perfect hatred. 02:00:34.480 --> 02:00:38.560 Because the wickedness that is being done to us, again, as I 02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:43.040 said earlier and we said in other episodes, we as Christians, or 02:00:43.040 --> 02:00:49.040 even as non-Christians who are just decent Europeans, would not act in 02:00:49.040 --> 02:00:50.000 these ways. 02:00:50.000 --> 02:00:53.920 Because even those Europeans who have abandoned the faith, because their families 02:00:53.920 --> 02:01:01.040 typically abandon the faith, still have the ambient morality of Christendom informing 02:01:01.040 --> 02:01:04.480 the culture that until recently surrounded us. 02:01:04.480 --> 02:01:06.240 And so the idea of 02:01:07.120 --> 02:01:11.360 harvesting organs from people while they're still alive because they're not Jews. 02:01:11.360 --> 02:01:12.720 We would never do that to someone. 02:01:12.720 --> 02:01:14.800 Well, he's not white, just take his organs, it's fine. 02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:18.400 You know, don't don't don't use anesthesia either because that's gonna mess 02:01:18.400 --> 02:01:19.280 up the organ. 02:01:19.280 --> 02:01:21.600 You gotta do it while they're fully awake. 02:01:21.600 --> 02:01:22.800 Caught their heart out. 02:01:22.800 --> 02:01:24.320 We have a Jew who needs it. 02:01:24.320 --> 02:01:26.560 They're accounts of that sort of thing in the book. 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:28.400 And they're historic accounts. 02:01:28.400 --> 02:01:29.600 They're real accounts. 02:01:29.600 --> 02:01:31.760 This stuff actually happens. 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.640 And I think one of the important parts is you read through 02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:37.840 some of the chapters that specifically deal with horrors that we're not 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:41.120 going to go any further details on. 02:01:41.120 --> 02:01:45.520 This is just the stuff where they got caught when that Ariel 02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:50.080 Toaf goes back through the history of recorded 02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:55.600 murders of Christians by Jews to steal their blood for blood magic 02:01:55.600 --> 02:01:58.480 rituals. Those are just the times when they got caught. 02:01:58.480 --> 02:02:00.240 That's not the only times that they did it. 02:02:00.240 --> 02:02:03.120 That was the times where there was sufficient evidence that everyone agreed, 02:02:03.120 --> 02:02:04.800 yes, this actually happened. 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:07.840 And you know, I said one of the earliest examples from was 02:02:07.840 --> 02:02:09.360 from like 415. 02:02:09.360 --> 02:02:11.840 The later examples are from the 20th century. 02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:14.000 This stuff is still going on today. 02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:17.360 And if you if you find that shocking, think back to what 02:02:17.360 --> 02:02:20.800 we found out was going on with Epstein in with that entire 02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:25.040 circle, with the paintings, in with the rooms and the chambers, in 02:02:25.040 --> 02:02:28.720 what was called Pizzagate, and everyone's told, oh, that's just a conspiracy 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:32.880 theory. Well, if you know nothing else, yes, it's unbelievable. 02:02:32.880 --> 02:02:35.680 If you know the history of these people and you start noticing 02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:39.680 the last names of the people involved, you take a second look 02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:44.800 because it's frankly, it's it's the only logical conclusion. 02:02:44.800 --> 02:02:48.560 And then when examining the evidence, it's it's literally the only conclusion. 02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:52.080 These people are guilty of things that we would never conceive of. 02:02:52.080 --> 02:02:55.440 And that's part of why it's important for these heinous details that 02:02:55.840 --> 02:03:00.000 he provides in some of these middle chapters, are important for us 02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:01.120 to read. 02:03:01.120 --> 02:03:04.480 Because if you don't know the evil you're facing, you're never going 02:03:04.480 --> 02:03:06.000 to respond appropriately. 02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:10.000 When someone comes along in soothing tones and said, Hi, I'm your 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:11.600 Judeo Christian friend. 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:13.920 I'm from the other side of the tracts, but we worship the 02:03:13.920 --> 02:03:14.640 same God. 02:03:14.640 --> 02:03:15.840 We just have different approaches. 02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:17.600 Don't worry about it. 02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:22.080 You know, he was taught as a child to murder the Goyam. 02:03:22.080 --> 02:03:25.120 That's that is what they're taught, and it's what they believe. 02:03:25.120 --> 02:03:29.360 And there's video to this day of little Jewish children in their 02:03:29.360 --> 02:03:33.920 own schools like Laughing and talking about how excited they are at 02:03:33.920 --> 02:03:36.480 the prospect of killing non-Jews. 02:03:36.480 --> 02:03:38.240 It's part of their religion. 02:03:38.240 --> 02:03:41.280 And it's part of the religion that's concealed by the language barrier. 02:03:41.280 --> 02:03:43.840 It's one of the reasons that the translation of the Talmud was 02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:47.760 such a pivotal mode in in history because these things were secrets. 02:03:47.760 --> 02:03:50.880 It's one of the points that the the historian who d documented 02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:54.000 the so-called blood libel incidents makes very clear. 02:03:54.000 --> 02:03:58.080 The specific details in the accounts could only have possibly come from 02:03:58.080 --> 02:04:01.680 Jews because all the practices were completely hidden. 02:04:01.680 --> 02:04:05.680 The Seder meal, which incidentally was part of a satanic worship practice, 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:10.000 the the specific details that were revealed in some of the interrogations 02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:12.880 of the Jews who are guilty of these things could only have 02:04:12.880 --> 02:04:13.760 come from a Jew. 02:04:13.760 --> 02:04:16.640 It couldn't have been made up by an accuser trying to falsely 02:04:16.640 --> 02:04:19.040 accuse a Jew of something he didn't do. 02:04:19.040 --> 02:04:23.280 Only someone who knew the intimate details of their secret of religion 02:04:23.200 --> 02:04:26.240 religion would have been able to divulge them. 02:04:26.240 --> 02:04:29.840 So for that reason, I commend the whole book, but I simultaneously 02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:30.800 warn you. 02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:33.040 You there's there's stuff that's gonna be hard to read. 02:04:33.040 --> 02:04:36.080 And as Corey said, you need to know, particularly as a man, 02:04:36.080 --> 02:04:39.600 as a husband, as a father, you need to know what you 02:04:39.600 --> 02:04:44.000 are facing as as a blood enemy, as a mortal threat to 02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:46.000 your family, to your civilization. 02:04:46.000 --> 02:04:48.560 And that's really that's the crux of the book in its entirety, 02:04:48.560 --> 02:04:52.480 is that Is that once you understand the threat that we're facing, 02:04:52.480 --> 02:04:55.600 it recontextualizes how we respond to it. 02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:58.960 If you just think that these are doctrinal disagreements, it you know 02:04:59.040 --> 02:05:00.240 it's a church fight. 02:05:00.240 --> 02:05:03.120 When you realize that civilizations are rising and falling as a result 02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:06.960 of these battles, you have to take a different approach. 02:05:06.960 --> 02:05:08.720 And that's that's where the book concludes. 02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:11.040 There's some of the conclusions I don't really want to get into 02:05:11.200 --> 02:05:14.960 because frankly they're things that today people getting th thrown in jail 02:05:15.360 --> 02:05:18.080 for. And it's not a matter of cowardice, it's just you can 02:05:18.080 --> 02:05:19.200 draw your own conclusions. 02:05:19.200 --> 02:05:22.000 I'm not gonna I don't need to bite a bullet for something 02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:24.960 that isn't isn't gonna move the ball. 02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:29.200 Read the book, deal with the facts as they're presented and draw 02:05:29.200 --> 02:05:30.640 your own conclusions. 02:05:30.640 --> 02:05:35.040 But just be aware that when you're talking about everyone from Darby 02:05:35.040 --> 02:05:38.880 to Schofield to Jerry Falwell to Netanyahu, all on the same page, 02:05:38.880 --> 02:05:42.800 all saying the same things, and then DeSantis is passing laws saying 02:05:42.800 --> 02:05:44.640 you can be thrown in jail for disagreeing. 02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:45.440 That's real. 02:05:45.440 --> 02:05:47.760 You can go to jail for it, and you'll die in prison 02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:48.240 for it. 02:05:48.240 --> 02:05:51.280 There are a bunch of J6 prisoners who've died, some by their 02:05:51.280 --> 02:05:53.280 own hands. 02:05:53.280 --> 02:05:55.120 That's those are the stakes. 02:05:55.120 --> 02:05:57.760 The stuff is not academic. 02:05:57.760 --> 02:06:00.080 And that's I that's why I'm glad that we were able to 02:06:00.080 --> 02:06:04.960 tackle this book today because this stuff is it's consequential and it 02:06:05.040 --> 02:06:09.120 unfortunately it's timely because it's it's unfolding right before our eyes on 02:06:09.280 --> 02:06:10.480 in the news today. 02:06:10.480 --> 02:06:12.960 But like you said, it's still gonna be current in a few 02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:17.360 years because until these people are ended, until they're stopped in their 02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:19.600 evil, they will persist. 02:06:19.600 --> 02:06:22.960 They made clear for thousands of years they will persist in evil 02:06:22.960 --> 02:06:24.800 as long as they're permitted to do it. 02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:28.560 And so as Christians, we have to decide how to respond to 02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:30.720 that faithfully. 02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:33.040 It's good that we've gone into some detail on some of the 02:06:33.040 --> 02:06:35.520 chapters. We're gonna leave some as kind of a tease for you 02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:36.400 as listeners. 02:06:36.400 --> 02:06:39.520 Uh chapter ten on ethno nationalism. 02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:43.040 I Corey and I both despise this word because it's redundant. 02:06:43.040 --> 02:06:45.120 There's no such thing as an ethno-nation. 02:06:45.520 --> 02:06:47.680 It's It's a nation-nation. 02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:49.680 Natal is blood. 02:06:49.680 --> 02:06:54.240 Either it's a nation or it's a heterogeneous empire. 02:06:54.240 --> 02:06:56.640 The point is we need to get rid of the empires and 02:06:56.640 --> 02:06:58.320 get back to actually having nations. 02:06:58.320 --> 02:07:02.000 So I just as a framing issue, like he does he reaches 02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:07.760 good conclusions, but frankly to say ethno-nationalism or ethno-nation is really ceding 02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:09.840 the frame to the enemy that there can be any other kind 02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:12.560 of nation, and there simply isn't either you're a nation or you're 02:07:12.560 --> 02:07:15.760 not. And right now we're not, not in any meaningful sense. 02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:17.360 We don't have our own lands. 02:07:17.360 --> 02:07:23.360 Are we being deracinated, being done forcibly in the church, in advertising 02:07:23.440 --> 02:07:24.480 and everything. 02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:27.520 So in in that chapter he covers some of the same ground 02:07:27.520 --> 02:07:29.200 that we've discussed in the past. 02:07:29.200 --> 02:07:32.080 Uh talks about the passage about neither Jew nor Greek, uh the 02:07:32.080 --> 02:07:34.720 flood and Noah's sons, talks about Babel. 02:07:34.720 --> 02:07:37.200 It's a fairly short chapter, but it g it covers some important 02:07:37.200 --> 02:07:41.280 scriptural ground and he does a good job there In chapter 11, 02:07:41.280 --> 02:07:46.320 the title is Evangelism at What Cost, Non-White, quote-unquote Christianity. 02:07:46.320 --> 02:07:49.840 And in this chapter, he makes the argument that we referenced towards 02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:53.520 the beginning about the global South syncretism that really goes back to 02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:54.880 the beginning of colonization. 02:07:54.880 --> 02:08:02.320 Effectively, wherever Christian Europeans have brought Christianity to non-white nations, virtually 02:08:02.320 --> 02:08:07.040 all of them have engaged in such a high degree of syncretism, 02:08:07.040 --> 02:08:12.800 meaning incorporating Christian beliefs and practices in with their demon worship. 02:08:12.800 --> 02:08:14.000 That's what it is. 02:08:14.240 --> 02:08:15.760 That that's the syncretism. 02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:17.760 That's the the syncretic part of it. 02:08:17.760 --> 02:08:18.720 You take 02:08:19.920 --> 02:08:22.720 you take a belief from one religion and add it to a 02:08:22.720 --> 02:08:26.880 belief from another, and you don't end up with Christianity because you 02:08:26.880 --> 02:08:27.760 can't possibly. 02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.880 There's only one God and there's only one path to heaven. 02:08:30.880 --> 02:08:34.640 So he makes an argument in this in this chapter that in 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:37.600 all the cases where Christianity has been brought to these people, they 02:08:37.600 --> 02:08:40.640 have butchered Christianity. 02:08:40.640 --> 02:08:40.960 And 02:08:42.640 --> 02:08:45.920 One of the important things for Corey and me as we're tackling 02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:49.120 these subjects is that that's no excuse not to take the gospel 02:08:49.120 --> 02:08:52.240 to them, but it does raise the question when you have taken 02:08:52.240 --> 02:08:55.680 the gospel to people who are only ever going to butcher it 02:08:55.840 --> 02:09:02.560 if they're not supervised heavily, the open question, at least for me, 02:09:02.560 --> 02:09:05.920 is are we obligated to heavily supervise them? 02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:08.960 Or is it sufficient to take the gospel and then set them 02:09:08.960 --> 02:09:11.760 loose? Corey has his opinions, I have mine. 02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:15.200 They're not they're not the point of of this discussion, but I 02:09:15.200 --> 02:09:19.280 I think it is interesting that this ch this chapter is a 02:09:19.280 --> 02:09:22.720 good companion to the episode that we did on Race and IQ, 02:09:22.720 --> 02:09:26.640 where we took the same subject from a different angle, not talking 02:09:26.640 --> 02:09:32.320 about their spiritual inclination to syncretize with their pagan beliefs, their demonic 02:09:32.320 --> 02:09:35.680 acts. We took it from the perspective that they their IQs are 02:09:35.680 --> 02:09:40.480 so low that apart from any spiritual issues that these people may 02:09:40.480 --> 02:09:43.200 have, they're still not smart enough to actually do it. 02:09:43.200 --> 02:09:44.320 And we make the case there. 02:09:44.320 --> 02:09:47.280 So he doesn't tackle that, he tackles it from another perspective, which 02:09:47.280 --> 02:09:47.920 is is important. 02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:51.200 Again, these are complementary uh presentations. 02:09:51.200 --> 02:09:56.000 Chapter 12 is titled Pro-Slavery Theology: Slavery is not a biblical sin. 02:09:56.320 --> 02:10:00.800 He does a very strong scriptural defense of the institution of slavery. 02:10:00.800 --> 02:10:03.920 He pro He provides some good details on how masters in the 02:10:03.920 --> 02:10:07.920 South were held to account socially and legally if they abused their 02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:12.240 slaves. The one small criticism I have of this chapter is very 02:10:12.240 --> 02:10:14.800 clear that he is a southerner, and proudly so. 02:10:14.800 --> 02:10:15.920 I don't have a problem with that. 02:10:15.920 --> 02:10:18.800 As I've said before, I'm a I'm from a mixed race marriage. 02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:23.440 My dad's a Yankee going back to Plum Plymouth Rock, and my 02:10:23.440 --> 02:10:27.600 mom is a hillbilly going back to Plymouth Colony. 02:10:27.600 --> 02:10:31.440 So I was raised Yankee, I effectively am a Yankee, but at 02:10:31.440 --> 02:10:34.720 the same time I have complete sympathy for the plight of the 02:10:34.720 --> 02:10:38.560 Southerner. And I understand where they're coming from when they're pissed about 02:10:38.560 --> 02:10:41.520 what was done in the war of northern aggression. 02:10:41.520 --> 02:10:45.120 The problem that I have with this chapter is that one, he 02:10:45.120 --> 02:10:51.120 tries to make the slavery issue center around Yankee versus Confederate. 02:10:51.120 --> 02:10:53.840 And it's not really the subject of the chapter, but it's something 02:10:53.840 --> 02:10:57.840 that we see elsewhere, particularly in the dissonant right and online, there's 02:10:57.840 --> 02:11:02.160 a lot of public antipathy of Southerners, typically in in one direction. 02:11:02.160 --> 02:11:06.800 It's usually people saying they hate Yankees, which is really weird because 02:11:06.800 --> 02:11:09.520 when you actually look at much of the prosecution of the war 02:11:09.520 --> 02:11:12.000 itself, you find a lot of Jewish names. 02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:14.400 And you find that a lot of the soldiers, as we all 02:11:14.400 --> 02:11:16.640 know, were were Germans and Irish. 02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:19.280 They were just fresh off the boat, and then they were sent 02:11:19.280 --> 02:11:23.280 down to kill Americans in the South, which was despicable and evil. 02:11:23.280 --> 02:11:25.840 But to call some guy fresh off the boat a Yankee is 02:11:25.840 --> 02:11:26.800 kind of goofy. 02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:31.120 Now, it was certainly the Yankees sending them, but the other conspicuous 02:11:31.120 --> 02:11:34.720 thing that's missing from this chapter that I found particularly weird in 02:11:34.720 --> 02:11:37.920 light of how well he handled the Jewish question in the middle 02:11:37.920 --> 02:11:40.320 part of the book was that there's zero mention of Jews at 02:11:40.320 --> 02:11:45.920 any point in the slavery chapter, which I think is is a 02:11:45.920 --> 02:11:50.000 material omission because we know for a fact that a substantial portion 02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:55.040 of Southern slavery in slaveholding was tied to Jews. 02:11:55.040 --> 02:12:00.160 So his his framing is it's gotta be Confederate versus Yankee and 02:12:00.320 --> 02:12:03.280 it would really confuse that narrative to say that there were Jews 02:12:03.360 --> 02:12:07.920 present. I think that a more fleshed out historical approach to the 02:12:07.920 --> 02:12:10.720 subject would just being to include all those things, that there were 02:12:10.720 --> 02:12:13.600 different things in the mix and I don't want to say there 02:12:13.600 --> 02:12:16.080 were bad people on both sides because that it was a war 02:12:16.080 --> 02:12:17.760 of northern aggression. 02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:22.400 the evil was predominantly being done from the north to to make 02:12:22.400 --> 02:12:23.840 it crystal clear. 02:12:23.840 --> 02:12:25.920 The South had every right to secede. 02:12:25.920 --> 02:12:28.480 They had every right to their own self determination. 02:12:28.480 --> 02:12:30.240 It was wicked that that was prevented. 02:12:30.240 --> 02:12:33.760 I despise that as much as any Southerner because it was injust. 02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:35.680 It was an evil thing on its face. 02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:38.720 I don't think that you have to hate Yankees 170 years later 02:12:38.880 --> 02:12:41.120 in order to make your case. 02:12:41.120 --> 02:12:45.200 But that that small quibble aside, it doesn't change the the really 02:12:45.200 --> 02:12:48.400 good job that he does treating the subject of slavery. 02:12:48.720 --> 02:12:52.320 And the last uh section is theories of Christian violence, and he 02:12:52.320 --> 02:12:53.760 talks about pacifism. 02:12:53.760 --> 02:12:56.640 He does a good job uh dealing with uh turn the other 02:12:56.800 --> 02:12:59.440 cheek and warfare in scripture. 02:12:59.520 --> 02:13:01.680 Next chapter he deals with holy war. 02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:05.920 I I find that a little bit of a strange shift to 02:13:05.920 --> 02:13:08.880 go from Yeah, basically he's trying to make the case that there 02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:15.680 is the justification for muscular Christianity that is not ashamed of having 02:13:15.680 --> 02:13:20.800 a national identity, one where a Christian nation exercises its Christian rights 02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:24.320 as a nation to do things that in some cases may involve 02:13:24.320 --> 02:13:27.200 violence against other nations. 02:13:27.600 --> 02:13:30.640 I I wish I I think if he knew more about Lutheran 02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:34.400 doctrine, you know, not to plug us, but some of the treatment 02:13:34.400 --> 02:13:37.520 that came out of the 16th century from some of the Lutheran 02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:43.040 reformers, I think has some material that would have helped him make 02:13:43.040 --> 02:13:46.720 a slightly different case because when you talk about holy war, that 02:13:46.720 --> 02:13:48.960 kind of limits what you can actually fight a war over. 02:13:48.960 --> 02:13:51.520 And I think a war needs to be holy to be just. 02:13:51.520 --> 02:13:54.320 You don't have to be liberating you know, the Holy Land or 02:13:54.320 --> 02:13:58.960 something to say that it is permissible and in fact necessary for 02:13:58.960 --> 02:14:02.800 a Christian prince to go to war to protect his people and 02:14:02.800 --> 02:14:03.760 his interests. 02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:07.120 The problem today is fundamentally that we don't have Christian rulers and 02:14:07.120 --> 02:14:10.880 when we do go to war, it's for the worst possible reasons. 02:14:10.880 --> 02:14:15.440 And then the uh the last chapter, he's specifically dealing with uh 02:14:15.680 --> 02:14:22.160 abortion and and the treatment of the unborn and legal responses to 02:14:22.160 --> 02:14:25.040 it. And as I said, that's that's kind of one of the 02:14:25.040 --> 02:14:28.880 most fraught chapters in the book simply because it will be treated 02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:33.120 as something that you can get into legal trouble for talking, for 02:14:33.120 --> 02:14:35.440 fleshing out some of the things that he says. 02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:36.960 And I don't fault him for it. 02:14:36.960 --> 02:14:40.560 I think that it's an important moral point to be made. 02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:44.000 And then there's also the legal reality that people want to see 02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:44.640 us dead. 02:14:44.640 --> 02:14:46.880 And any And any excuse will do. 02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:50.240 And a careless word is very easy to get you in a 02:14:50.240 --> 02:14:53.280 position where you can go to jail where you may die. 02:14:53.280 --> 02:14:55.520 You may be there for the rest of your life for saying 02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:58.640 something that's entirely scriptural and entirely moral. 02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:01.920 But I think that again that I think the meat of the 02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:05.680 book for me at least was the really well fleshed out work 02:15:05.680 --> 02:15:10.000 that he did dealing with the history of Jews and of Zionism 02:15:10.080 --> 02:15:12.320 and now that they're inextricable. 02:15:12.320 --> 02:15:16.800 The fact that dispensationalism was inserted into Christianity and is now shaping 02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:18.640 world politics is a huge deal. 02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:21.200 And he provides a lot of really excellent detail there. 02:15:21.200 --> 02:15:24.800 So overall, I think Corey and I both absolutely commend this book 02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:27.280 to anyone who wants to delve into some of these subjects. 02:15:27.440 --> 02:15:28.480 It's not perfect. 02:15:28.480 --> 02:15:29.600 And that's not a criticism. 02:15:29.600 --> 02:15:31.920 Like I said, like if I wrote a book, I don't think 02:15:31.920 --> 02:15:33.920 I would necessarily do as well as and we did a really 02:15:33.920 --> 02:15:35.200 good job with the research. 02:15:35.200 --> 02:15:37.920 And I you have to give a lot of credit to someone 02:15:37.920 --> 02:15:39.920 who's willing to put in this time. 02:15:39.920 --> 02:15:44.560 So again, as as we make these relatively small criticisms at different 02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:47.200 points, I don't think any of them detract from the book. 02:15:47.440 --> 02:15:49.360 And I think that's a crucial point. 02:15:49.360 --> 02:15:51.920 But as you're reading them, it's it's important for you to draw 02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:53.040 your own conclusions. 02:15:53.040 --> 02:15:56.240 I think that the facts that are presented, there's only one possible 02:15:56.240 --> 02:15:57.760 conclusion about those facts. 02:15:58.080 --> 02:16:03.280 you will become very angry because any Christian, any decent human being 02:16:03.440 --> 02:16:05.920 would become very angry reading some of those. 02:16:05.920 --> 02:16:08.400 And some of the other stuff is just very interesting in formative 02:16:08.480 --> 02:16:10.240 history. Like, wow, I had no idea. 02:16:10.240 --> 02:16:14.560 But then when you see the arc of history plotted out, suddenly 02:16:14.560 --> 02:16:18.240 the things we see today make perfect sense because we can see 02:16:18.240 --> 02:16:22.640 where they came from where without someone drawing you a straight line 02:16:22.720 --> 02:16:26.480 or maybe a squiggly line in some places, you wouldn't necessarily notice. 02:16:26.480 --> 02:16:28.640 And so it's it's a very valuable book. 02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:31.120 I'm I'm glad that Ann Low Pillow has published it. 02:16:31.120 --> 02:16:34.800 Yeah I'm I'm very thankful to Giles Corey for for writing it 02:16:35.120 --> 02:16:39.120 because it's important for there to be Christian voices in this space 02:16:39.200 --> 02:16:41.680 and for us to be frank, you know, just as is when 02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:44.960 we approach these subjects, we we go into as not much detail 02:16:45.040 --> 02:16:46.480 as is necessary. 02:16:46.480 --> 02:16:49.520 Again, it's no criticism of him in some cases going into greater 02:16:49.680 --> 02:16:50.480 t detail. 02:16:50.480 --> 02:16:51.440 This is a place for it. 02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:52.640 You do that in a book. 02:16:52.640 --> 02:16:55.440 When you're you know, you can't really skip ahead nearly as easily 02:16:55.520 --> 02:16:59.120 easily in a podcast and some of the scuffs is is frankly 02:16:59.200 --> 02:17:00.400 it's kind of scarring. 02:17:00.400 --> 02:17:01.600 That's important. 02:17:01.600 --> 02:17:04.480 You are not permitted to be ignorant of how evil the world 02:17:04.480 --> 02:17:05.840 is as a Christian man. 02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:08.640 You need to to know how bad things are because it's the 02:17:08.640 --> 02:17:11.760 only possible way that we as Christians can be faithful to God 02:17:11.760 --> 02:17:15.760 in preserving what he intends for us to have. 02:17:15.760 --> 02:17:16.080 So 02:17:16.960 --> 02:17:21.200 thank you to Taylor from Yalo Pill uh for presenting this and 02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:22.240 giving us the opportunity. 02:17:22.240 --> 02:17:24.080 I again thank you for the free copy. 02:17:24.080 --> 02:17:26.160 I forgot to mention that up front. 02:17:26.160 --> 02:17:28.800 And we'll put a link in the show notes to the book 02:17:28.800 --> 02:17:32.720 itself. Uh Corey's gonna end with uh that couple quotes from the 02:17:32.720 --> 02:17:36.400 book there that uh was referenced I think really lay out a 02:17:36.400 --> 02:17:38.800 good case for why all this matters. 02:17:38.880 --> 02:17:41.040 Thank you guys again very much for having me on. 02:17:41.040 --> 02:17:43.920 Uh it's been really great and I hope that uh I'm glad 02:17:43.920 --> 02:17:46.400 you guys enjoyed the book and I hope people who are listening 02:17:46.400 --> 02:17:47.360 will enjoy it as well. 02:17:47.680 --> 02:17:48.560 I'm sure that they will. 02:17:48.560 --> 02:17:51.760 It's a good resource for an overview for a number of different 02:17:51.760 --> 02:17:55.840 subjects, and also does, as mentioned, dive into detail on some of 02:17:55.840 --> 02:17:59.520 them. From a Lutheran perspective, yes, I would have loved to have 02:17:59.520 --> 02:18:02.240 seen a reference to the Magdeburg Confession, which is a vitally important 02:18:02.960 --> 02:18:07.440 document in Christian history when it comes to resistance against unlawful or 02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:12.640 tyrannical authority, but we'll eventually get into that in a different episode. 02:18:13.440 --> 02:18:17.280 Conveniently, in my case, I had already read basically all of the 02:18:17.280 --> 02:18:20.480 books of a scholarly nature that are in the the footnotes in 02:18:20.480 --> 02:18:23.520 the book, so I happened to grab one from my shelves, and 02:18:23.520 --> 02:18:27.040 it is the Passovers of Blood Book by Ariel Toaf. 02:18:27.040 --> 02:18:30.000 It is a scholarly work, it is very well done. 02:18:30.000 --> 02:18:33.840 I guess I can recommend it for some of the listeners. 02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:36.480 Like I said, it is a scholarly work. 02:18:36.480 --> 02:18:39.680 It is going to be a little on the dry side, it 02:18:39.680 --> 02:18:41.120 is technical. 02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:43.360 It is going to demand of you at least a little bit 02:18:43.360 --> 02:18:45.280 of knowledge of Latin. 02:18:45.280 --> 02:18:48.880 There was also some Italian, a few other things in here, but 02:18:48.960 --> 02:18:54.400 we're going to close with a couple passages from this separated by 02:18:54.400 --> 02:18:58.880 a number of centuries to give the right sort of framing and 02:18:58.880 --> 02:19:00.720 impression of things. 02:19:02.000 --> 02:19:06.480 On the eve of Passover 1144, The mutilated body of William, a 02:19:06.480 --> 02:19:10.080 child of twelve years, was found in Thorpe's wood, on the edge 02:19:10.080 --> 02:19:11.840 of Norwich, England. 02:19:11.840 --> 02:19:15.360 No witness came forward to cast light on the savage crime. 02:19:15.360 --> 02:19:18.880 The child's uncle, a cleric by the name of Godwin Sturt, publicly 02:19:18.880 --> 02:19:22.720 accused the Jews of the crime in a diocesan synod held a 02:19:22.720 --> 02:19:25.760 few weeks after the discovery of the body. 02:19:25.760 --> 02:19:30.160 A few years later, between eleven fifty and eleven fifty-five, Thomas of 02:19:30.160 --> 02:19:35.840 Monmouth, prior of the Cathedral of Norwich, reconstituted with plentiful details and 02:19:35.840 --> 02:19:40.960 testimonies the various phases of the crime, perpetrated by local Jews, and 02:19:40.960 --> 02:19:44.400 prepared a detailed and extensive hagiographic report of the events 02:19:45.680 --> 02:19:48.640 These were the origins of what is considered by many to have 02:19:48.640 --> 02:19:52.320 been the first documented case of ritual murder in the Middle Ages, 02:19:52.320 --> 02:19:54.880 while for others it is the source of the myth of the 02:19:54.880 --> 02:19:56.960 blood libel accusation. 02:19:56.960 --> 02:20:01.360 The latter consider Thomas to have been the inventor and propagator of 02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:06.320 the stereotype of ritual crucifixion, soon to be rapidly disseminated not only 02:20:06.320 --> 02:20:10.400 in England, but in France and the German territories as well, fed 02:20:10.400 --> 02:20:14.240 by the information relating to the now famous tale of the martyrdom 02:20:14.400 --> 02:20:19.040 of William of Norwich by the Jews in the days of Passover. 02:20:19.040 --> 02:20:22.880 William was an apprentice tanner in Norwich and came from an adjacent 02:20:22.880 --> 02:20:26.560 village. Among the shop's clients were a few local Jews, who are 02:20:26.560 --> 02:20:29.840 thought to have chosen him as the victim of a ritual sacrifice, 02:20:29.840 --> 02:20:33.120 to be performed during the days of the Christian Easter. 02:20:33.120 --> 02:20:37.360 On the Monday following Palm Sunday, eleven forty-four, during the reign of 02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:40.880 King Stephen, a man claiming to be the cook for the Archdeacon 02:20:40.880 --> 02:20:44.480 of Norwich presented himself in the village of William, asking his mother 02:20:44.640 --> 02:20:47.520 Elviva for permission to take William with him to work as a 02:20:49.120 --> 02:20:53.120 The woman's suspicions and hesitation were soon won over, thanks to a 02:20:53.120 --> 02:20:54.880 considerable sum of money. 02:20:54.880 --> 02:20:58.720 The following day little William was already travelling the streets of Norwich 02:20:58.720 --> 02:21:01.920 in the company of the self proclaimed cook, directly to the dwelling 02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:06.640 of his Aunt Laviva, Godwin Sturt's wife, who became informed of the 02:21:06.640 --> 02:21:09.920 apprenticeship undertaken by the child and his new patron. 02:21:09.920 --> 02:21:14.160 But the latter individual awakened numerous suspicions in the aunt Laviva, who 02:21:14.160 --> 02:21:17.600 asked a young girl to follow them and determine their destination. 02:21:17.600 --> 02:21:21.280 The shadowing, as discreet as it was effective, took the child to 02:21:21.280 --> 02:21:24.400 the threshold of the dwelling of Eliazar, one of the heads of 02:21:24.400 --> 02:21:27.600 the community of Norwich, where the cook had little William enter the 02:21:27.600 --> 02:21:31.120 house with the necessary prudence and circumspection. 02:21:31.600 --> 02:21:35.920 At this point, Thomas of Monmouth allowed another key witness to speak, 02:21:35.920 --> 02:21:39.760 one who had been strategically placed inside the Jews' house. 02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:44.560 This was Eliazar's Christian servant, who, the following morning, had by chance 02:21:44.720 --> 02:21:48.960 witnessed with horror, through the crack of a door left inadvertently open, 02:21:48.960 --> 02:21:53.200 the cruel ceremony of the child's crucifixion and atrocious martyrdom, with the 02:21:53.200 --> 02:21:58.800 participation carried out with religious zeal of local Jews, in contempt of 02:21:58.800 --> 02:22:00.640 the passion of our Lord. 02:22:00.640 --> 02:22:03.920 Thomas kept the date of the crucial event clearly in mind. 02:22:03.920 --> 02:22:07.280 It was the Wednesday following Palm Sunday, twenty two march of the 02:22:07.280 --> 02:22:10.000 year eleven forty four. 02:22:10.000 --> 02:22:13.680 To throw off suspicion, the Jews decided to transport the body from 02:22:13.680 --> 02:22:17.040 the opposite side of the city to Thorpe's Wood, which extended to 02:22:17.040 --> 02:22:19.760 within a short distance from the last house. 02:22:19.760 --> 02:22:23.920 During the trip on horseback with the cumbersome sack, however, despite their 02:22:23.920 --> 02:22:27.440 efforts at caution, they crossed the path of a respected and wealthy 02:22:27.440 --> 02:22:31.120 merchant of the locality on his way to church, accompanied by a 02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:35.520 servant. The merchant had no difficulty realizing the significance of what was 02:22:35.520 --> 02:22:37.440 taking place before his eyes. 02:22:37.440 --> 02:22:40.960 He is said to have remembered years later, on his deathbed, and 02:22:40.960 --> 02:22:43.440 to have confessed to a priest, who then became one of the 02:22:43.440 --> 02:22:47.760 diligent and indefatigable Thomas's valued sources of information? 02:22:47.760 --> 02:22:51.520 Young William's body was finally hidden by the Jews among the bushes 02:22:51.520 --> 02:22:55.520 of Thorpe. 02:22:55.600 --> 02:22:59.520 Ritual murder accusations have been made against the Jews for thousands of 02:22:59.520 --> 02:23:03.520 years. The murders were sometimes alleged to have been accompanied by ritual 02:23:03.520 --> 02:23:05.760 cannibalism, but not always. 02:23:05.760 --> 02:23:09.520 In every case it is rather improbable that testimonies which have come 02:23:09.520 --> 02:23:13.360 down to us from antiquity were known, and disseminated in the Middle 02:23:13.520 --> 02:23:18.080 Ages, and could constitute a significant point of reference for later accusations, 02:23:18.080 --> 02:23:21.440 of crucifixion and ritual cannibalism. 02:23:21.440 --> 02:23:25.280 As early as the second century before Christ, the almost unknown Greek 02:23:25.280 --> 02:23:30.320 historian Democritus, who probably lived in Alexandria, recorded a violently biased anti 02:23:30.480 --> 02:23:34.480 Jewish testimony, at that time referred to under his name in Sweda's 02:23:34.480 --> 02:23:35.600 Greek dictionary. 02:23:35.600 --> 02:23:39.200 According to Democritus, the Jews were accustomed to render worship to a 02:23:39.200 --> 02:23:40.880 golden head of an ass. 02:23:40.880 --> 02:23:44.960 Every seven years they abducted a foreigner to sacrifice him, tearing the 02:23:44.960 --> 02:23:46.480 body to pieces. 02:23:46.480 --> 02:23:49.760 This horrible rite is said to have taken place probably every seven 02:23:49.760 --> 02:23:55.120 years In the Temple of Jerusalem, sanctuary of the Jewish religion. 02:23:55.200 --> 02:23:59.120 A report only partly similar to that reported by Democritus is found 02:23:59.120 --> 02:24:04.480 in the polemical contra Appioni by Flavius Josephus, quoting the tendentiously anti 02:24:04.560 --> 02:24:09.360 Jewish rhetorician Appioni, who lived at Alexandria during the first century of 02:24:09.360 --> 02:24:11.360 the Christian era. 02:24:11.360 --> 02:24:16.640 According to Appioni, Antiochus Epiphana, entering the Temple of Jerusalem, is said 02:24:16.640 --> 02:24:19.440 to have been surprised to find a Greek, stretched on a bed 02:24:19.520 --> 02:24:22.560 and surrounded by exquisite foods and rich dishes. 02:24:22.560 --> 02:24:25.920 The prisoner's report was extraordinary and horrifying. 02:24:26.160 --> 02:24:29.040 The Greeks said that he had been captured by the Jews, and 02:24:29.040 --> 02:24:32.800 taken to the temple and concealed from everyone, while they force fed 02:24:32.800 --> 02:24:34.560 him on all sorts of foods. 02:24:34.560 --> 02:24:38.160 At first, the unusual circumstances in which he found himself did not 02:24:38.160 --> 02:24:42.720 greatly displease him, until the sanctuary attendants remained the fate waiting in 02:24:42.720 --> 02:24:43.920 store for him. 02:24:43.920 --> 02:24:48.880 He was fated to die, the predestined victim of homicidal Jewish sacrificial 02:24:48.880 --> 02:24:53.680 practices. Quote The Jews carry out this rite every year on a 02:24:53.680 --> 02:24:57.520 pre established date, they catch a Greek merchant and feed him for 02:24:57.520 --> 02:24:58.480 a whole year. 02:24:58.480 --> 02:25:02.160 They later take him into a forest, kill him, and sacrifice him 02:25:02.160 --> 02:25:04.320 according to their religion. 02:25:04.320 --> 02:25:07.680 They then savour the viscera, and in the moment of sacrificing the 02:25:07.680 --> 02:25:10.800 Greek, they swear their hatred of all Greeks. 02:25:10.800 --> 02:25:14.480 They then dump the remains of the carcass into a ditch. 02:25:14.800 --> 02:25:19.520 Flavius Josephus reports that the history recounted by Appioni was not invented 02:25:19.520 --> 02:25:23.760 by him, but was rather derived from other Greek writers, an indication 02:25:23.760 --> 02:25:27.440 that its dissemination must have been much more widespread than we are 02:25:27.440 --> 02:25:30.880 led to imagine based on the two only surviving accounts, i. 02:25:30.880 --> 02:25:32.880 e. of Democritus and Appion 02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:40.240 And we will end this episode with one other brief reading from 02:25:40.240 --> 02:25:43.200 this particular book. 02:25:43.200 --> 02:25:46.320 That Christian Europe of the Middle Ages feared the Jews is an 02:25:46.320 --> 02:25:47.760 established fact. 02:25:47.760 --> 02:25:52.160 Perhaps the widespread fear that Jews were scheming to abduct children, subjecting 02:25:52.160 --> 02:25:57.280 them to cruel rituals, even antedates the appearance of stereotypical ritual murder, 02:25:57.280 --> 02:26:00.320 which seems to have originated in the twelfth century. 02:26:00.320 --> 02:26:04.080 As for myself, I believe that serious consideration should be given to 02:26:04.080 --> 02:26:08.240 the possibility that this fear was largely related to the slave trade, 02:26:08.240 --> 02:26:12.000 particularly in the ninth and tenth centuries, when the Jewish role in 02:26:12.000 --> 02:26:16.880 the slave trade appears to have been preponderant During this period, Jewish 02:26:16.880 --> 02:26:20.800 merchants from the cities in the valley of the Rhone, Verdun, Lyon, 02:26:20.800 --> 02:26:25.680 Arlais, and Narbon, in addition to Aquisgrana, the capital of the empire 02:26:25.680 --> 02:26:28.560 in the times of Louis the Pious, and in Germany, from the 02:26:28.880 --> 02:26:33.120 centres of the valley of the Rhine, from Vorms, Magonza and Magdeburg, 02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:37.920 in Bavaria and Bohemia, from Regensburg and Prague, were active in the 02:26:37.920 --> 02:26:43.280 principal markets in which slaves, women, men, eunuchs, were offered for sale, 02:26:43.280 --> 02:26:47.920 by Jews, sometimes after abducting them from their houses. 02:26:47.920 --> 02:26:52.160 From Christian Europe, the human merchandise was exported to the Islamic lands 02:26:52.160 --> 02:26:55.040 of Spain, in which there was a lively market. 02:26:55.040 --> 02:27:00.240 The castration of these slaves, particularly children, raised their prices, and was 02:27:00.240 --> 02:27:03.680 no doubt a lucrative and profitable practice.