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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I am Corey J.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Mahler.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm still woe.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Today's Stone Choir is a continuation of last week's episode on the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>life of the Reverend Dr.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Martin Luther King Jr.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Or Michael King, or Mike as we're gonna call him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>As we discussed last week, Mike was not a Christian.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Every day of his life that he spent dealing with Christian subjects</v>

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<v Speaker 3>was a day spent in blaspheming the god of Scripture.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So last week we specifically focused on the theological aspects of his</v>

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<v Speaker 3>life. This week we're going to be specifically focusing on what he</v>

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<v Speaker 3>did once he got into the pulpit, he pretty much immediately leapt</v>

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<v Speaker 3>out of the pulpit into political activity, which was really what his</v>

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<v Speaker 3>goal was from the beginning.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And he pretty much said as much in in his own early</v>

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<v Speaker 3>writings when he was in seminary.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Before we get into the meat of this proper, I want to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>give a couple uh preambles briefly.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>One, as I said last week, we're not just doing this to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>beat up on a guy.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not because we don't like his politics, although obviously we don't.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The specific reason that this matters is that King is inserted into</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Christianity today.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>His beliefs, his morals, his ethics, his political views are pretty much</v>

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<v Speaker 3>sanctified by almost every church today.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Your pastors, your leaders in your churches have almost certainly quoted him</v>

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<v Speaker 3>favorably on the high holy days of the black religion of this</v>

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<v Speaker 3>country. You will see his shining face with some meme on Facebook</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and Twitter and wherever else your churches use social media, holding him</v>

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<v Speaker 3>up as an example of here's a good Christian man and here's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>a good Christian life and here's what good Christians sound like.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The sainthood that was conferred upon him pretty much by fiat serves</v>

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<v Speaker 3>political ends.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so today we're going to be talking about that, and that's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the second part of the preamble I want to give</v>

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<v Speaker 3>here, is that while this is an episode talking about political stuff,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the reason that we're doing it is that fundamentally at some point</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that dichotomy that dichotomy between religious and political, between the Christian church</v>

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<v Speaker 3>life and the Christian civic life breaks down.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There are important distinctions.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There are things that the state should do and that the church</v>

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<v Speaker 3>should do that should not overlap.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what the two kingdoms doctrine is about.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not about Christians being stuck in one sphere or the other.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's about the Christian organizations that exist for the blessings of all</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Christians and all men by God are structured in such a way</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that when the state does something it the church shouldn't it and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>vice versa.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the reason for talking about these political things today is that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>fundamentally calling them political is really giving short shrift to what's actually</v>

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<v Speaker 3>happening. Because w again, when this man, who we're told was he</v>

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<v Speaker 3>was a pastor, he was a preacher, he was a good, peaceful,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>nonviolent man, he had a lot of good teachings, he had a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>lot of good civics lessons, and if you disagree with those, you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>are religiously condemned.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You are damned as an unbeliever and a hater and you know</v>

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<v Speaker 3>all these other defamatory things that are said about men who will</v>

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<v Speaker 3>dare to question the civic religion, which today is indistinguishable from his</v>

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<v Speaker 3>religion. So that's that's why we're talking about this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not it's not gonna be it's gonna be an episode we're</v>

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<v Speaker 3>talking about political m events, but the important distinction is that fundamentally</v>

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<v Speaker 3>if you let Satan just chip away and chip away at the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>entire civic life until you're just limited to a couple hours on</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday, you can't be a Christian anymore.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's really but what's been accomplished by so many of these</v>

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<v Speaker 3>teachings. So to begin, as I said, you know, last week we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>talked about his his childhood, his college days, his seminary days, a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>little bit about his PhD days, and then very briefly when he</v>

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<v Speaker 3>was in the pulpit.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We kinda ended there.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And he lived another about f fourteen, fifteen years.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So today we're mostly gonna be talking about those years after he</v>

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<v Speaker 3>got his PhD.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna be talking a lot today about communists and about Jews</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and about communists, Jews, and about Jewish communists.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That will be a recurring theme throughout this, which again sounds political.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I want to preface what we say in the rest of this</v>

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<v Speaker 3>episode with a brief excerpt from an article from the Atlantic from</v>

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<v Speaker 3>2017. This is an article that was talking about the history of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the Soviet Union as it viewed race relations in the United States.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think this is a part of history that most people</v>

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<v Speaker 3>don't know about, and it's critical because as we're talking about civil</v>

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<v Speaker 3>rights and MLK in the South in the fifties and sixties and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>then we are also talking about communists.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If all you know about communists is from oh it's McCarthy and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it's Hoover and they were just name calling and they were being</v>

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<v Speaker 3>mean, then you're not going to be able to put two and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>two together.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm going to begin with this quote from the Atlantic</v>

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<v Speaker 3>specifically because it makes perfect sense in light of what the Atlantic</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is saying.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Like, not our guys.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're not by any stretch friendly to anything that we have to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>say. And yet they're telling the truth here about this because frankly</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they're kind of proud.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The Atlantic rites.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Playing on racial tensions inside the United States was a Soviet tactic.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, it predates even the Cold War.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen thirty two, for instance, Dimitri Moore, the Soviet Union's most</v>

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<v Speaker 3>famous propaganda poster artist, created a poster that cried freedom for the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>prisoners of Scottsboro.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It was a reference to the Scottsboro boys and nine black teenagers</v>

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<v Speaker 3>who were accused of raping two white women in Alabama, and then</v>

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<v Speaker 3>repeatedly convicted by all white Southern juries.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The case became a symbol of the Jim Crow South, and the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>young Soviet state milked it for all the propagandistic value it could.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It was part of a plan put in place in nineteen twenty</v>

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<v Speaker 3>eight by the Comintern, the Communist International, whose mission was to spread</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the Communist Revolution around the world.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The plan initially called for recruiting Southern Blacks and pushing for self-determination</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the Black Belt.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>By nineteen thirty, the Comintern had escalated the aims of its covert</v>

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<v Speaker 3>mission and decided to work towards establishing a separate black state in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the South, which would provide it with a beachhead for spreading the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>revolution to North America.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So as we're talking about communists today and we're talking about Southeastine's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>political, you need to keep in mind that as early as 1928,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>just ten years after the Jewish Communist Revolution in the Soviet Union,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>where they murdered the Russian rulers and replaced them with their own</v>

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<v Speaker 3>people, within ten years they had correctly identified the using racial divisions</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States</v>

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<v Speaker 3>was going to be a key fracture point to A advance the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>goal of spreading communism in the United States and B diminishing the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>United States political power.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so all the things we're going to say today, just keep</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in mind that 20, 30 years later, the Soviet Union, when they</v>

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<v Speaker 3>were deciding how to destroy America, they decided let's use blacks in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the South to spread communism.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So when we say later on there are communists in the South</v>

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<v Speaker 3>using blacks against the United States government, that's not just us name</v>

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<v Speaker 3>calling. That's literally what the plan was.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so if you can put those two and two together, it</v>

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<v Speaker 3>gets a little bit easier to take what we're saying at face</v>

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<v Speaker 3>value and like you don't need you don't need to believe any</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You can go research for yourself.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>These are all just historical facts.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So just keep in mind when we're talking about communists in the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>South, they had already decided in nineteen twenty-eight that this was the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>plan they wanted to enact.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll start with a little bit of context just to give</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you an idea of where it is that we're beginning</v>

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<v Speaker 2>or picking up this narrative with regard to MLK, and that is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty four, in September of that year, he became pastor</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama Alabama, and the city</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is relevant here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>As mentioned, he didn't really spend over much time as an actual</v>

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<v Speaker 2>pastor, he was really more interested in the civil rights movement.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so in nineteen fifty five, in December, of course, that is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>when we have the Montgomery Bus Boycott, that was coordinated and organized</v>

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<v Speaker 2>by the organization called the Montgomery Improvement Association, which was organized and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>basically began its life on December fifth, and MLK was made the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>head of it the same day.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is the day that they were going to originally have the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>bus boycott.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It was meant to be one day.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It wound up being over a year.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot that follows on from that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into more of those facts shortly.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But it's worth noting that this didn't actually begin with the Montgomery</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Improvement Association.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It began years earlier with an organization called the Women's Political Council</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that was founded by Mary Fair Burks, who was head of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>English department actually at Alabama State, she resigned.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There's some questions about whether or not it was really a resignation</v>

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<v Speaker 2>or a forced resignation.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Resignations often are not voluntary.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And she did that because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>she was an activist and she was involved with a number of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>other activists at the school who had been dismissed specifically because of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>their in this case, yes, Marxist activism.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, when you think of the bus boycott, there's a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>name that is going to come to mind immediately, and that's going</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to be Rosa Parks.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason Rosa Parks comes to mind is because in your</v>

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<v Speaker 2>history books, most likely you were taught that Rosa Parks was the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>one that sparked this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>To some degree that's true, to some degree it's not.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because there had been a number of blacks who had been arrested</v>

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<v Speaker 2>over the years for violating the laws in place with regard to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>public transportation.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>However, those who wanted to push for the boycott wanted to pick</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect plaintiff.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is plaintiff shopping.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is something that attorneys do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's not always permissible how it's done, but it's not always impermissible.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But at any rate, it points out that this bus boycott was</v>

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<v Speaker 2>very much a planned matter.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This was not a spur of the moment.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This was not, you know, Rosa Parks was tired, I've heard people</v>

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<v Speaker 2>say that over the years.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And she flatly refutes that in her memoirs incidentally.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But to go back to the actual bus boycott here and the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>facts of what happened, the driver in this case was James Blake,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and actually, Rosa Parks and James Blake had interacted earlier along the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>same lines, because twelve years earlier she had refused to sit in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the bus and had been confronted by James Blake,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this same driver.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>At that point she got off the bus.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She was not removed from the bus, she got off of her</v>

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<v Speaker 2>own accord.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So this is twelve years later, and this is when the bus</v>

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<v Speaker 2>boycott and really MLK's real activism begins.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I think the important thing to note is we're going along and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>mentioning all these disparate little, seemingly friendly sounding organizations like the Women's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Political Council, the Montgomery Improvement Association.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>How could you possibly object to anything that a group like that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>would ever do?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Once you observe and learn how the left works, you'll find that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this is exactly how it works.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They will set up an entire brand new organization created from whole</v>

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<v Speaker 3>cloth with a set goal in mind that will not be the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>goal that is the stated goal of the organization.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Montgomery Improvement Association.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds like the nicest thing in the world.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Who wouldn't want Montgomery to improve?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>However, when you start unraveling who was behind it, who was financing</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it, who is organizing it, what were their plans going in, and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>then what did they do as soon as they hit the ground,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it becomes very clear that their intentions went far beyond improving Montgomery.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so we're going to mention a bunch of different groups like</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this, just little organizations.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's happening today in our own church in Missouri Sand.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You have the Lutherans for Racial Justice.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They appeared fully formed within a few weeks of George Floyd's suicide.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And everyone's saying, well, you know, they're Lutherans and they want racial</v>

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<v Speaker 3>justice. Well, that sounds, you know, if you know a little bit,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you think, you know, that's probably bad news, because only bad people</v>

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<v Speaker 3>talk about racial justice, incidentally starting in the fifties with these people.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But</v>

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not really paying attention and you just see a new</v>

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<v Speaker 3>group pop up, you think, oh my, there's a ground swell, there's,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's not Astroturfed, it's a natural upwelling of the people</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in pursuit of some particular goal.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so all these seemingly disconnected organizations with completely innocuous names, they're</v>

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<v Speaker 3>all effectively fronts.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And when you call something a front, it sometimes there's a very</v>

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<v Speaker 3>deliberate specific roadmap behind it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And sometimes it's spontaneous.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, for example, the the Antifa blog that was set up</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to dox Corey and me sprang into existence for the sole purpose</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of assassinating our character.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only reason it exists.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They the people existed before, but the new brand that they created</v>

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<v Speaker 3>was created for that specific purpose.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So they sprang up, they do it, and then you know later</v>

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<v Speaker 3>on they'll just walk away from it because there's no investment in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the organization.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of these groups, you know, like the women's political</v>

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<v Speaker 3>council, I don't know if it's still around, it's probably not.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it wasn't just that time passed, it was that in that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>moment it had served its purpose.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So when you hear these names, keep in mind that if you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>were doing this stuff, because you're an honest person, you're a Christian,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you would stick to your principles and you would apply them to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>whatever you're doing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot give that benefit of the doubt to these organizations.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>When they're playing these shell games with organizations that let them mask</v>

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<v Speaker 3>funding and mask organizers, the reason for that is that it seems</v>

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<v Speaker 3>spontaneous when it's actually all coordinated.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 2>the names are always a dead giveaway for anyone who's familiar with</v>

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<v Speaker 2>how the left works.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They always sound like this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Hence why of course you have the People's Republic of China.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They name them in ways that, like you said, sound positive.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like something you couldn't possibly oppose, but then you look</v>

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<v Speaker 2>into what they're actually doing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so to continue with that particular theme, the husband of Rosa</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Parks was Raymond, and he was a member of the NAACP, which</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of course is the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they're still allowed to use that term.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She did not initially join the NAACP because her husband expressed some</v>

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<v Speaker 2>reservations or concerns about her safety.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not those were genuine, one could debate, but she did</v>

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<v Speaker 2>eventually join the NAACP in nineteen forty three, so she's already an</v>

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<v Speaker 2>activist, more than a decade before this happens.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And she also had a history of violating the various laws in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the South related to segregation.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So this was not the first instance of her just being tired</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and refusing to give up her seat.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That narrative is totally false.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond that, she was actually specifically trained</v>

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<v Speaker 2>by communists as a political activist, as an agitator.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And she was trained at what was then called the Highlander Folk</v>

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<v Speaker 2>School. And that was in August of nineteen fifty five, just shortly</v>

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<v Speaker 2>before this bus boycott, which started in December.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Incidentally, I looked it up and surprisingly this school still exists.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's only a half hour from where I live, which is interesting.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's now called the Highlander Research and Education Center, still a socialist,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>far left, communist think tank, as it were, training agitators and advocating</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for the sort of policies you would expect.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There are some notable people involved in this school.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of them would be Myles Horton and his wife, Zylphia.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The reason she is interesting here is that she is the one</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who adapted a Christian hymn to create the song We Shall Overcome,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>which of course became the sort of anthem of the civil rights</v>

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<v Speaker 2>movement. There are a lot of individuals who wind up connected to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this school, as it is called.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Rosa Parks never officially became a member of the Communist Party,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and you will see that in in some of the individuals as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we go through this history.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them become members, some of them don't become members.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Her husband was a member, and she attended meetings.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So whether or not she was officially a member of the Communist</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Party hardly matters.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It may have been her husband who introduced her to the Communist</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Party, it may have been another that's not particularly clear.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But what is clear is that most likely her husband became involved</v>

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<v Speaker 2>with the Communist Party in the 1930s, when the NAACP was raising</v>

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<v Speaker 2>funds to appeal the convictions in the case that was mentioned in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the opening the Scottsboro Boys, which was a gang rape case involving</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a group of blacks and two white women.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The Communist Party agitated along with the NAACP to get the convictions</v>

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<v Speaker 2>overturned and helped the Communist Party helped raise funds.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This was largely organized by the group called International Red Aid.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now at the International Red Aid</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is, they deliberately use the name as really sort of a pun,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>because they called themselves a version of the Red Cross but for</v>

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<v Speaker 2>political prisoners and political activists and of course red is also associated</v>

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<v Speaker 2>with communists.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We have the colors reversed in the US</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is because a newspaperman decided that he didn't want to associate</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the left with communism in the US, so the colors got switched</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and it stuck.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's dumb, but that's just the way it is in the US.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Typically conservatives are actually blue in most of the world But at</v>

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<v Speaker 2>any rate, the International Red Aid was one of the revolutionary organs</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of international communism.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It was in fact started by the Communist International in 1922.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But to get back to Parks, we pointed out in the opening</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that many of these individuals have basically become a sort of saint</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in a new religion.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And toward that point, Parks is commemorated in five states, at least,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>there may be more now, but she is commemorated in California, Michigan,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio, Oregon, and Texas.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So whatever you may think of Texas as being a conservative state,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps reconsider that on some counts.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>As for Parks in her later life, she became even more of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>an activist.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She got involved in the Black Power Movement.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She advocated for murderers and rapists, arsonists, and various other criminals through</v>

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<v Speaker 2>her various organizations, with which she involved herself, or in some cases</v>

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<v Speaker 2>started. She founded the Detroit chapter of the Joanne Little Defense Committee,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>which that organization is notable.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You may even recognize this name.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They defended Angela Davis, who is an open Marxist and a professor</v>

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<v Speaker 2>at UC Santa Cruz.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They defended her, I believe that was on a murder charge.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>To expand on Angela Davis, for those who are mercifully heretofore not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with her She lived in the USSR, longtime member of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Communist Party, deeply involved in far left agitation, communist politics, and she</v>

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<v Speaker 2>has been frequently accused, perhaps reasonably, of engaging in calls for political</v>

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<v Speaker 2>violence. These are the sorts of individuals who were involved from the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>very beginning of this.</v>

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Well

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<v Speaker 3>most people when you hear the name Rosa Parks you think of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the the hagiography.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Poor old woman, tired feet, made to sit in the back of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the bus, she objected 'cause why shouldn't she be allowed to?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then maybe if you knew later on in her life that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>she was politically motivated to be an activist?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>well of course.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>She s suddenly she realized how bad racism was and she wanted</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to devote her life to fighting it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's an easy story to buy if you don't pay any attention,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what they're counting on.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're counting on all of us being stupid and not having any</v>

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<v Speaker 3>interest in figuring out where any of this stuff came from.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fundamentally this is a genealogy of ideas episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What is the genealogy of these people and their ideas and their</v>

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<v Speaker 3>supporters and the organizations that they were in.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because the actual Rosa Parks, as as Corey's just laid out, was</v>

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<v Speaker 3>effectively a communist agitator.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't matter whether or not she was a communist party</v>

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<v Speaker 3>member, because as I mentioned in the intro, as it popped up</v>

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<v Speaker 3>again here with the um the Scottsboro boys, this was the playbook.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This was literally the Soviet Union's communist playbook.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They wrote it down in the twenties and thirties, and then in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the forties and fifties they did it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a direct line between the political goals of communism to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>overthrow you the United States and all these nice old black people</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the South having sore feet and just wanting to be left</v>

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<v Speaker 3>alone. And if you don't pay any attention, you don't see the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>connection between the two.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And when someone tells you there's a connection, typically all you're gonna</v>

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<v Speaker 3>hear is people shouting and say, You're racist, you're whatever.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just they want to cancel you because if you're not</v>

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<v Speaker 3>canceled and people hear you out, they're like, Oh wow, you can</v>

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<v Speaker 3>go read for yourself.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, you know, the the Atlantic article on many articles</v>

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<v Speaker 3>when they describe these things today looking backward, they don't hide these</v>

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<v Speaker 3>connections because there's no longer any concern to be ashamed.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason for that is that communism, A, we think is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>dead, because we don't fundamentally understand what it is, we'll be doing</v>

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<v Speaker 3>a future episode specifically on that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we're we're kind of jumping in the middle of you know</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the fifties and sixties.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I think we'll probably have to do an an episode on the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>civil rights movement at large because there's much more to it than</v>

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<v Speaker 3>just these people, particularly MLK.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then we'll have to deal with communism both forward and backward</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in time, because again, it's it's theology.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the communist values the Soviet Union was an atheist state.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Well the very first things they did was A ban anti Semitism,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>which incidentally they just invented, and you'd be put to death for</v>

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<v Speaker 3>anti Semitism in the USSR.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And B, Christianity was made illegal.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Almost simultaneously.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And you would be executed for being a Christian.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They tortured and murdered tens of millions of Christians.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They starved them to death, they put them in gulags, they were</v>

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<v Speaker 3>systematically exterminating Christians.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That was communism, and it's still communism.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It happens everywhere the communism spreads up.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And when we hear the term we think, oh well that's just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>political. And some people even today in our own churches try to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>sanctify some of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's a pastor in the LCMS who literally says with</v>

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<v Speaker 3>pride, my Marxist, when he's talking about one of the laymen in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>his own congregation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That should not be the case in any Christian church.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's important to tackle where the theology ends if it</v>

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<v Speaker 3>does, and where the politics be begins.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And frankly, I don't think the theology ever ends, which is not</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the same as saying we want a theocracy.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's important as we tackle these things to make clear.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're not saying theocratic rule is the alternative to this.</v>

00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.840
<v Speaker 3>We're simply saying that Christians can be Christian in all spheres of</v>

00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:34.480
<v Speaker 3>their life.</v>

00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.520
<v Speaker 3>And if they're doing that, it doesn't look like the life of</v>

00:24:37.520 --> 00:24:40.320
<v Speaker 3>Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King Jr.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Before we return to the aftermath, what happens because of that boycott,</v>

00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:50.000
<v Speaker 2>there is another individual who needs to be mentioned here because he</v>

00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.160
<v Speaker 2>is one of the founders of the Montgomery Improvement Association, and that</v>

00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:54.800
<v Speaker 2>is E.D.</v>

00:24:54.800 --> 00:24:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Nixon. His father was a Baptist minister.</v>

00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Speaker 2>It's worth noting because as we go through this, you are going</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to notice there are a lot of ministers, many of them Baptists,</v>

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:11.120
<v Speaker 2>some Methodist, I believe there's one Episcopalian at one point, but there</v>

00:25:11.120 --> 00:25:17.440
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of men who are masquerading as Christians.</v>

00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Now the reason they're doing this should be obvious.</v>

00:25:20.080 --> 00:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>It's because it lends a sort of credibility, it lends a sort</v>

00:25:23.520 --> 00:25:27.360
<v Speaker 2>of prestige that they would otherwise not have.</v>

00:25:27.360 --> 00:25:29.440
<v Speaker 2>And we have some of this happening today.</v>

00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:33.200
<v Speaker 2>There are men who are very much not Christian and yet are</v>

00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>wearing a collar.</v>

00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:39.360
<v Speaker 2>And so we have to be careful of wolves who are</v>

00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.280
<v Speaker 2>dressing up as shepherds.</v>

00:25:43.280 --> 00:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>But at any rate, Nixon was one of the ones who was</v>

00:25:46.560 --> 00:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>really one of the organizers of the effort to find a good</v>

00:25:49.520 --> 00:25:53.440
<v Speaker 2>plaintiff for the lawsuit that would follow on from the Montgomery bus</v>

00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:58.000
<v Speaker 2>boycott. Because of course from the beginning, that was the goal.</v>

00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>The goal was to change the law of the land by creating</v>

00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>chaos and forcing a court case.</v>

00:26:05.040 --> 00:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>And so there were a number of individuals who were ignored who</v>

00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 2>had been arrested for violating the very same sort of laws.</v>

00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:17.040
<v Speaker 2>One was a fifteen year old student who was arrested nine months</v>

00:26:17.040 --> 00:26:20.080
<v Speaker 2>prior to the Rosa Parks incident.</v>

00:26:20.080 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>This was very much a planned endeavor.</v>

00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.440
<v Speaker 2>They knew what they were trying to achieve, and they set about</v>

00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.800
<v Speaker 2>doing so ruthlessly.</v>

00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Now, as mentioned, originally the boycott was meant to last for one</v>

00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>day, December fifth, but it wound up going for more than a</v>

00:26:36.800 --> 00:26:40.400
<v Speaker 2>year, and it eventuated in the court case called Browder v.</v>

00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Gale. That was a U.S.</v>

00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.960
<v Speaker 2>District Court case in the middle district of Alabama, and this found</v>

00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>against the segregation laws of Alabama.</v>

00:26:49.760 --> 00:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>So basically, this is one of the cases that forces integration, particularly</v>

00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.080
<v Speaker 2>in the South.</v>

00:26:58.080 --> 00:27:01.840
<v Speaker 2>The judge in this case was Frank Minnes Johnson.</v>

00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:07.360
<v Speaker 2>He would go on to oversee many desegregation cases, including desegregating the</v>

00:27:07.360 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Alabama school system.</v>

00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>The other two justices who were involved here was Seaborn Harris Lynn,</v>

00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>he notably dissented, although on technical grounds, and Richard Rivas, who is</v>

00:27:20.800 --> 00:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>not particularly relevant in this narrative.</v>

00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>What is relevant is that this case was of course appealed, and</v>

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>it was summarily affirmed by SCOTUS, by the Supreme Court, on the</v>

00:27:33.520 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 2>thirteenth of November in nineteen fifty-six.</v>

00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>And the holding of this case</v>

00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>is that conditions created by segregation</v>

00:27:44.320 --> 00:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>violate the equal protection</v>

00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>under the 14th Amendment.</v>

00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>That's the basic holding.</v>

00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>And of course that's always how we wind up with these segregation</v>

00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>cases going.</v>

00:27:55.760 --> 00:28:00.240
<v Speaker 2>These measures are struck down because well initially it was found by</v>

00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court separate but equal, which is Plessy V.</v>

00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Ferguson. This sort of overrules that to some degree, but of course</v>

00:28:09.760 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>that was really overruled by Brown v.</v>

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Board of Education, which was the desegregation of public schools.</v>

00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>That incidentally was a unanimous opinion, which is worth noting.</v>

00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:23.760
<v Speaker 2>We didn't have dissenting justices who decided to uphold the law.</v>

00:28:23.760 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 2>They all decided to overturn it.</v>

00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:32.800
<v Speaker 2>And so this is an extension to some degree of that.</v>

00:28:32.800 --> 00:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>But to go into the facts of Brown v.</v>

00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Board of Education a little more, that was also an NAACP case.</v>

00:28:40.560 --> 00:28:45.120
<v Speaker 2>In fact, it was five cases that were sponsored by the NAACP</v>

00:28:45.360 --> 00:28:49.840
<v Speaker 2>that were combined into one case and then taken before the court.</v>

00:28:49.840 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Another noteworthy individual here would be the chief counsel for the NAACP</v>

00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>at that time, and that was Thurgood Marshall, who would later be</v>

00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>appointed to the Supreme Court by Lyndon Johnson.</v>

00:29:02.560 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Thurgood Marshall was a far leftist.</v>

00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>There are many things we could mention about him, many anti Christian</v>

00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:11.920
<v Speaker 2>stances that he took.</v>

00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.360
<v Speaker 2>One in particular would be that he was a lifelong staunch opponent</v>

00:29:15.360 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>of the death penalty.</v>

00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Incidentally, also one of the justices who played a key role in</v>

00:29:23.040 --> 00:29:26.080
<v Speaker 2>undermining obscenity law in the US.</v>

00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>And so you will see these Marxist agitators and those around them</v>

00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:37.600
<v Speaker 2>constantly working to undermine civil society and the morality of society.</v>

00:29:37.600 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 2>One of the biggest ways in which the courts have done that</v>

00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.080
<v Speaker 2>is the changes to obscenity law over time.</v>

00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Now we could go through the history of obscenity law with Hicklin</v>

00:29:49.120 --> 00:29:53.280
<v Speaker 2>and Roth and Miller, but we're not going to do that, because</v>

00:29:53.280 --> 00:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>this isn't the point of this podcast.</v>

00:29:55.120 --> 00:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>The point here is that</v>

00:29:59.600 --> 00:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Thurgood Marshall was one of the driving forces behind Stanley v.</v>

00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Georgia, which was the case that ruled that the criminalization of obscene</v>

00:30:08.800 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 2>materials was unconstitutional.</v>

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>You may not immediately recognize</v>

00:30:15.280 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the problem with that case in which Marshall actually wrote the opinion.</v>

00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>The big reason that that case is a problem is that it</v>

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:30.320
<v Speaker 2>was founded upon the grounds of privacy, a right to privacy.</v>

00:30:30.320 --> 00:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Now, if you are familiar with some other areas of the law,</v>

00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>you may understand the problem here.</v>

00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>The right to privacy is also how we got abortion.</v>

00:30:39.360 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>That is incidentally why we have pornography so widespread as well.</v>

00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>It's all a ratchet.</v>

00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>If you give an inch, they take a mile, and they will</v>

00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>always work toward whatever the next evil is.</v>

00:30:53.040 --> 00:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>And so of course from Stanley v.</v>

00:30:55.600 --> 00:31:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Georgia, we have now the Miller Test, nineteen seventy three, which basically</v>

00:31:00.560 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>just permits obscenity.</v>

00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Our obscenity law at this point in the US is a complete</v>

00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>joke. The things that are banned are so egregious that we will</v>

00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>never mention them on this podcast.</v>

00:31:14.080 --> 00:31:19.840
<v Speaker 3>The personal privacy angle is also how how contraception was legalized nationally.</v>

00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 3>That was another key thing to abortion, contraception, pornography are they all</v>

00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 3>part and parcel.</v>

00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.280
<v Speaker 3>It's all part of the same group of people.</v>

00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 3>And although MLK was not himself personally an advocate of these things,</v>

00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.200
<v Speaker 3>it was all the people surrounding him in a c in a</v>

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.880
<v Speaker 3>cloud. So he didn't have to because he legitimized all these other</v>

00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 3>moving parts, all advancing inexorably towards the same sort of goals.</v>

00:31:43.760 --> 00:31:43.920
Well

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.360
<v Speaker 2>he didn't care about pornography.</v>

00:31:45.520 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 2>He was much too busy with prostitutes.</v>

00:31:47.520 --> 00:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Indeed. But as a follow yeah, as a follow-on from The Bus</v>

00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Boycott, MLK writes his Strive Toward Freedom book, which was his so-called</v>

00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:03.040
<v Speaker 2>memoir about this boycott, and he does this throughout his life.</v>

00:32:03.040 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>He does something that is agitating, something that is disruptive, and then</v>

00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>writes a book or an article or speech about it.</v>

00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Although it is not entirely accurate to say he writes because he</v>

00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 2>used ghost writers, that is very obvious.</v>

00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I would hope the last episode made very obvious that his most</v>

00:32:21.280 --> 00:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>famous speeches were written by others.</v>

00:32:25.280 --> 00:32:28.720
<v Speaker 2>We saw the sort of things he wrote.</v>

00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>But moving forward in time to one of MLK's speeches, 1957, he</v>

00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>delivers the Give Us the Ballot speech at the Lincoln Memorial.</v>

00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.120
<v Speaker 2>This is of course highly praised by the NAACP.</v>

00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Not surprising considering they helped organize the event.</v>

00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.080
<v Speaker 2>The event is attended by</v>

00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>a number of prominent individuals.</v>

00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>One salient one here is A Philip Randolph.</v>

00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.040
<v Speaker 2>And the reason that he is relevant is because he was the</v>

00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:03.120
<v Speaker 2>founder of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters and and the Negro</v>

00:33:03.120 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>American Labor Council, Nalk, which will be relevant later.</v>

00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>He is one of the individuals who pushed for the march on</v>

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Washington. He was an open socialist.</v>

00:33:17.520 --> 00:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>He explicitly tied in his comments, in his speeches, in his public</v>

00:33:22.080 --> 00:33:27.040
<v Speaker 2>appearances, overcoming racism to enacting socialism.</v>

00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>And of course, bear in mind that when we use socialism in</v>

00:33:30.560 --> 00:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>this context, we mean the sort of socialism that the communist used</v>

00:33:35.520 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>as the pathway to communism.</v>

00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>In keeping with the theme of a lot of involvement of supposed</v>

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Christians and pastors, Randolph claimed to be a Methodist.</v>

00:33:48.800 --> 00:33:51.520
<v Speaker 2>He was probably an atheist, though.</v>

00:33:51.520 --> 00:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>He signed a document called the Humanist Manifesto II, the second version</v>

00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>of it.</v>

00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>This was signed by a number of prominent individuals.</v>

00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Asimov, Isaac Asimov, for instance, signed this one.</v>

00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:10.640
<v Speaker 2>This rejected theism, deism, any argument there is proof of the afterlife,</v>

00:34:10.640 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>rejected and opposed racism, proposed an international court, supported contraception, abortion, divorce,</v>

00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and euthanasia, and supported quite a few other Marxist or leftist causes,</v>

00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.520
<v Speaker 2>very clearly not something that a Christian could even contemplate signing.</v>

00:34:27.520 --> 00:34:29.680
<v Speaker 2>And of course the nail in the coffin he was also a</v>

00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:32.640
<v Speaker 2>pacifist. Christians cannot be pacifists.</v>

00:34:32.640 --> 00:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps we'll go into that in greater depth at some point in</v>

00:34:35.680 --> 00:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>the future.</v>

00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Another thing that follows on from this Montgomery bus boycott is the</v>

00:34:45.040 --> 00:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>formation of</v>

00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>a particularly salient group.</v>

00:34:49.520 --> 00:34:55.680
<v Speaker 2>That group is the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.</v>

00:34:55.680 --> 00:34:59.600
<v Speaker 2>One of their stated goals in establishing this group was to quote</v>

00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:03.600
<v Speaker 2>redeem the soul of America, unquote.</v>

00:35:03.600 --> 00:35:04.240
<v Speaker 2>You may</v>

00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:08.720
<v Speaker 2>find that similar to things that you have heard from pastors and</v>

00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 2>politicians today.</v>

00:35:10.640 --> 00:35:14.720
<v Speaker 2>You may think of those who say that racism is America's original</v>

00:35:14.720 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 2>sin. This is an alternative religion to Christianity.</v>

00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Christians don't talk about politics redeeming the soul of anything.</v>

00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.760
<v Speaker 2>That's not what politics does.</v>

00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And yet that is supposedly what this group thought they would do,</v>

00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and you may think, oh well they have the name the word</v>

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Christian in their name.</v>

00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Obviously their no.</v>

00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Their original name before well, I believe this one was actually Levison.</v>

00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to him soon enough.</v>

00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.080
<v Speaker 2>But the original name before some of MLK's handlers got to it</v>

00:35:50.080 --> 00:35:57.200
<v Speaker 2>was the Southern Negro Leaders Conference on Transportation and Nonviolent Integration, which</v>

00:35:57.200 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 2>is not only a mouthful but nonsense and doesn't involve the word</v>

00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Christian.</v>

00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons that this group is relevant is the individuals</v>

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>involved in it.</v>

00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 2>And so now we'll run through a number of key individuals from</v>

00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>this group.</v>

00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.240
<v Speaker 2>We'll start with perhaps the</v>

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.640
<v Speaker 2>most relevant, although perhaps this man and the last one we'll mention</v>

00:36:22.720 --> 00:36:26.240
<v Speaker 2>are probably the two most relevant from this particular group.</v>

00:36:26.240 --> 00:36:28.080
<v Speaker 2>The first is Bayard Rustin</v>

00:36:29.520 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Rustin notably was a communist.</v>

00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>More he was a communist sodomite.</v>

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.240
<v Speaker 2>He joined the Young Community League, which was a communist feeder group</v>

00:36:40.240 --> 00:36:41.680
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty six.</v>

00:36:41.680 --> 00:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>He did leave that one because he became disillusioned with their effectiveness.</v>

00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And then he became involved with the Communist Party USA.</v>

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>He became disillusioned with them as well, and the reason that he</v>

00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.080
<v Speaker 2>became disillusioned with them is notable because this happened with a number</v>

00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 2>of the so-called civil rights leaders.</v>

00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>When World War II started, international communism, understandably, shifted focus from</v>

00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to gin up racial hatred and division in the US in</v>

00:37:13.680 --> 00:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>order to undermine and destabilize the US, to attempting to get the</v>

00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:21.120
<v Speaker 2>US to enter World War II.</v>

00:37:21.120 --> 00:37:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Because of course, the Communists would have lost World War II if</v>

00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:26.240
<v Speaker 2>not for U.S.</v>

00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 2>entry into that war.</v>

00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 2>These individuals became disillusioned with the Communist Party because they saw the</v>

00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Communist Party as abandoning them because they were focusing on the war</v>

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:44.160
<v Speaker 2>instead of on these various civil rights issues in the US.</v>

00:37:44.160 --> 00:37:47.600
<v Speaker 2>And so he joined the Socialist Party instead.</v>

00:37:47.600 --> 00:37:52.240
<v Speaker 2>This man was also another one of the architects behind the march</v>

00:37:52.240 --> 00:37:54.160
<v Speaker 2>on Washington.</v>

00:37:54.160 --> 00:37:58.560
<v Speaker 2>To give a little more information about this man's life and the</v>

00:37:58.560 --> 00:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Life and the sort of character he was.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested in nineteen fifty three.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He was forty years old then.</v>

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.280
<v Speaker 2>He was caught having sex with two other men, in their twenties,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in a parked car.</v>

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Later in his life when he was seventy years old, he adopted</v>

00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:22.240
<v Speaker 2>his catamite, and the katamite at that point was thirty.</v>

00:38:22.240 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>He took a trip to Russia, communist Russia at one point, which</v>

00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 2>is another thing you will see with many of these</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Marxist agitators, even if they don't publicly profess to be Marxists, they</v>

00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>will take questionable trips to various communist states, whether it happens to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>be Cuba or Russia or China.</v>

00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 2>They go there, of course, often to get training, partly just as</v>

00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a sort of solidarity with their fellows in other states.</v>

00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.160
<v Speaker 2>He was also a friend of Norman Potteretz, some of you will</v>

00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.720
<v Speaker 2>recognize that name.</v>

00:38:58.720 --> 00:39:02.080
<v Speaker 2>And later in life he became a Zionist.</v>

00:39:02.080 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>And I guess as one sort of final point for attacking another</v>

00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:11.280
<v Speaker 2>idol that we may eventually get around to, upon Rustin's death, he</v>

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<v Speaker 2>was praised by Ronald Reagan.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that stuck out to me in the story</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the story of Rustin is that he became disillusioned with the communists</v>

00:39:22.640 --> 00:39:26.720
<v Speaker 3>because they had been using blacks in America as part of their</v>

00:39:26.720 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 3>proxy war against the United States, against Christians in this country.</v>

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.680
<v Speaker 3>And as soon as political need shifted, they got dumped like a</v>

00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:38.240
<v Speaker 3>sack of potatoes because they were never the point.</v>

00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 3>What I found interesting is that if you remember the feminism episode</v>

00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.640
<v Speaker 3>we did a couple months ago, the exact same thing happened with</v>

00:39:44.640 --> 00:39:48.160
<v Speaker 3>feminism and slavery in the US in the eighteen hundreds.</v>

00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Only this time it was the African Americans in the pursuit of</v>

00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 3>emancipation that was the primary mover and the feminist agitators were piggybacking.</v>

00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.240
<v Speaker 3>And they thought that the revolution was going to include everyone at</v>

00:40:02.240 --> 00:40:06.160
<v Speaker 3>the same time, that liberation would be universal, that all blacks would</v>

00:40:06.160 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 3>be freed, all women would be freed, all children would be freed,</v>

00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:09.600
<v Speaker 3>there'd be just</v>

00:40:09.600 --> 00:40:11.040
<v Speaker 2>infinite freedom.</v>

00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>And as soon as</v>

00:40:12.560 --> 00:40:18.640
<v Speaker 3>the emancipation movement got enough steam going that it was clear that</v>

00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:24.080
<v Speaker 3>there was going to be a concerted effort to end slavery, the</v>

00:40:24.080 --> 00:40:25.520
<v Speaker 3>women got left behind.</v>

00:40:25.520 --> 00:40:29.680
<v Speaker 3>They had been active participants, they had been key in many aspects,</v>

00:40:29.680 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 3>and they got dumped like a sack of potatoes because they weren't</v>

00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.120
<v Speaker 3>politically expedient anymore.</v>

00:40:35.120 --> 00:40:38.560
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't gonna work if they were on board.</v>

00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Because they knew they could only tackle one thing at a time.</v>

00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.160
<v Speaker 3>We'll do slavery.</v>

00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 3>This women's stuff just r is gonna have to wait.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that was really the advent of the open feminist movement as</v>

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<v Speaker 3>its own thing.</v>

00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:52.720
<v Speaker 3>They had to split because it became clear that they were not</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the principal reason.</v>

00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 3>And so every time on the left you see there's some sort</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of what they call advancement of these goals of their stated goals,</v>

00:41:03.200 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 3>it's always mercenary.</v>

00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.960
<v Speaker 3>It it's always whatever is expedient is what they're gonna do.</v>

00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.120
<v Speaker 3>And if they have to shoot their own people in the back</v>

00:41:11.120 --> 00:41:12.720
<v Speaker 3>to do it, they don't care.</v>

00:41:12.720 --> 00:41:18.080
<v Speaker 3>They They the communists absolutely dumped the African American allies that they</v>

00:41:18.080 --> 00:41:21.120
<v Speaker 3>had on this in on this soil on the floor.</v>

00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:23.520
<v Speaker 3>They just they let them go because they had other things to</v>

00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 3>worry about.</v>

00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:27.600
<v Speaker 3>And yet these people never learned the lesson that they're being used</v>

00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.600
<v Speaker 3>as a tool.</v>

00:41:29.600 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's one of the hard parts about contextualizing when</v>

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 3>we say that men like Michael King, he was obviously a dirtbag</v>

00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 3>in his own life, but he wasn't nearly smart enough to be</v>

00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.720
<v Speaker 3>the sort of tool that if we just said he was a</v>

00:41:44.720 --> 00:41:46.720
<v Speaker 3>mastermind, no one would believe that.</v>

00:41:46.720 --> 00:41:50.160
<v Speaker 3>But he was absolutely a tool in someone else's hands.</v>

00:41:50.160 --> 00:41:53.120
<v Speaker 3>And that's why it's important that it didn't matter if he was</v>

00:41:53.120 --> 00:41:58.640
<v Speaker 3>a communist member or if he particularly in person wanted pornography or</v>

00:41:58.640 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 3>contraception or any of these other things to be legalized, because he</v>

00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.720
<v Speaker 3>was part of the same march and he was locked arm in</v>

00:42:04.720 --> 00:42:07.680
<v Speaker 3>arm with all these other people pursuing the same goals.</v>

00:42:07.680 --> 00:42:10.720
<v Speaker 3>And one by one the goals get achieved and the people who</v>

00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 3>are advancing other things either advance or they get dumped.</v>

00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Because as long as things are getting worse and worse The satanic</v>

00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.160
<v Speaker 3>animating force behind all this is gaining ground.</v>

00:42:22.160 --> 00:42:25.520
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't hit care who gets destroyed in the process.</v>

00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:29.120
<v Speaker 3>So I just found it interesting that Rustin was personally aggravated and</v>

00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.600
<v Speaker 3>offended that the that the Soviet Union would not be worried about</v>

00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:37.680
<v Speaker 3>black liberation in America when they were trying to fight a global</v>

00:42:37.680 --> 00:42:40.240
<v Speaker 3>war. But that's that's what we're dealing with.</v>

00:42:40.240 --> 00:42:45.280
<v Speaker 3>You have macro scale geopolitical events that are over most people's heads</v>

00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 3>and seem very theoretical.</v>

00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 3>And on the other hand, you have things like bus boycotts.</v>

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.600
<v Speaker 3>And it can sound completely harebrained to try to tie the two</v>

00:42:53.600 --> 00:42:57.520
<v Speaker 3>together. And when you look at the moving parts, sometimes they're disconnected</v>

00:42:57.600 --> 00:43:01.200
<v Speaker 3>because like in this case the Soviets quit caring for a while</v>

00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.840
<v Speaker 3>they weren't pushing that stuff because they needed different things from different</v>

00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.040
<v Speaker 3>people but once the war was over they came back around in</v>

00:43:09.040 --> 00:43:12.560
<v Speaker 3>the late 40s and 50s and as Corey said earlier, Rosa Parks</v>

00:43:12.720 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 3>went to one of these schools that they were funding and pushing,</v>

00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 3>just like Saudi Arabia has their madrasas training people up to overthrow</v>

00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.120
<v Speaker 3>their governments, different religions, but ultimately serving the same sort of evil</v>

00:43:25.120 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 3>ends. And so there's an ebb and flow to these things.</v>

00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:31.440
<v Speaker 3>And if someone can't come along and just say, yes, there was</v>

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.680
<v Speaker 3>A and then there's B and there was C and there's a</v>

00:43:33.680 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 3>straight line and there was a consistent force applied throughout.</v>

00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.320
<v Speaker 3>No, it comes and goes because this is all happening in real</v>

00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 3>time. And so as we look back on it, some of the</v>

00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 3>things seem a little bit disconnected.</v>

00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.720
<v Speaker 3>It's simply because there were bigger things happening that were also moving</v>

00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 3>different parts around on the board that weren't a part of anything</v>

00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.520
<v Speaker 3>that MLK was doing.</v>

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When

00:43:54.160 --> 00:43:59.040
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the gentleman who was the ultimate handler for MLK,</v>

00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 2>we actually don't know who that was.</v>

00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.240
<v Speaker 2>We know the group that was really controlling what he was doing</v>

00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and in fact what he was saying.</v>

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.840
<v Speaker 2>We will get to the intermediate handler though, the puppet master as</v>

00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>it were.</v>

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I see him coming up in my notes here, after we get</v>

00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.720
<v Speaker 2>through The rest of those who were involved in this particular group,</v>

00:44:20.720 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the SCLC.</v>

00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 2>And so the next individual for this group is Ella Baker.</v>

00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Ella Baker was a Marxist agitator, but one of the interesting facts</v>

00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>about her is that she was close friends for much of her</v>

00:44:35.680 --> 00:44:41.040
<v Speaker 2>life with Anne Braden, who was a Jewish communist and open advocate</v>

00:44:41.040 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>for anti racism and for many of the so called or really</v>

00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.200
<v Speaker 2>modern Marxist causes that we see being pushed today.</v>

00:44:51.200 --> 00:44:51.760
<v Speaker 2>And so</v>

00:44:52.720 --> 00:44:57.680
<v Speaker 2>even back here, decades ago, a number of decades ago, we see</v>

00:44:57.680 --> 00:45:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the same sort of evil being pushed that is being pushed today.</v>

00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Jewish communist pushing anti-racism.</v>

00:45:05.120 --> 00:45:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Just go on Twitter any day and you will find the same</v>

00:45:08.080 --> 00:45:10.720
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing.</v>

00:45:10.720 --> 00:45:15.920
<v Speaker 2>The next individual is Charles Kenzie Steele, an NAACP activist.</v>

00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Basically anyone we mention at this point in this episode</v>

00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:25.200
<v Speaker 2>is probably going to be connected to the NAACP in some way.</v>

00:45:25.200 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the organizations they all wind up joining in some</v>

00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:34.640
<v Speaker 2>fashion. Steele notably was also a Baptist preacher, you may be noticing</v>

00:45:34.640 --> 00:45:36.160
<v Speaker 2>a theme.</v>

00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Next individual was Fredley Shuttlesworth.</v>

00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.480
<v Speaker 2>He would later help provoke the Selma riots, which we won't really</v>

00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 2>get into in this episode, but I'll put some stuff in the</v>

00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.640
<v Speaker 2>show notes for that.</v>

00:45:50.640 --> 00:45:53.600
<v Speaker 2>But one of the reasons that he is notable is he helped</v>

00:45:53.600 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 2>organize what was called the Freedom Riders.</v>

00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 2>And now what the Freedom Riders did was they would deliberately get</v>

00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.600
<v Speaker 2>on an interstate bus and take that bus from somewhere where it</v>

00:46:05.600 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>was legal for an integrated bus to exist to somewhere where it</v>

00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>was not legal.</v>

00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.120
<v Speaker 2>And so in other words, they would deliberately cross state lines in</v>

00:46:15.120 --> 00:46:18.560
<v Speaker 2>order to violate the law.</v>

00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Why this is interesting is not so much that they did that,</v>

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>because that's just what you expect from Marxist agitators the goal is</v>

00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.560
<v Speaker 2>to cause chaos and undermine rule and order and the law.</v>

00:46:30.560 --> 00:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>The interesting part here is that Robert F Kennedy gave Shuttlesworth his</v>

00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:38.720
<v Speaker 2>personal phone number and told him to call in case he needed</v>

00:46:38.720 --> 00:46:43.120
<v Speaker 2>any legal help with this particular scheme.</v>

00:46:43.120 --> 00:46:46.960
<v Speaker 2>And so our own leaders who are tasked with upholding the law</v>

00:46:47.120 --> 00:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>are deliberately, of course, undermining it.</v>

00:46:50.560 --> 00:46:54.160
<v Speaker 2>The next individual is Joseph Lowry.</v>

00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>He becomes part of the reason for the case that becomes known</v>

00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.680
<v Speaker 2>as New York Times v.</v>

00:46:59.680 --> 00:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Sullivan. There are a number of other cases below it that turn</v>

00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:04.480
<v Speaker 2>into ultimately New York Times v.</v>

00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Sullivan, that is the case that basically permits the media to slander</v>

00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:17.040
<v Speaker 2>people. Basically, if you are a public figure, you are going to</v>

00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:19.680
<v Speaker 2>lose a defamation suit.</v>

00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Because the standard is that you have to show actual malice, which</v>

00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>is a very high bar.</v>

00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:31.760
<v Speaker 2>The general standard for defamation for a private individual is essentially just</v>

00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.680
<v Speaker 2>false information that is damaging.</v>

00:47:33.680 --> 00:47:37.600
<v Speaker 2>It's more complicated than that, but this isn't legal advice or a</v>

00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>legal podcast.</v>

00:47:38.560 --> 00:47:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to explain defamation law.</v>

00:47:42.240 --> 00:47:47.680
<v Speaker 2>The added, as I mentioned, element, the added requirement for a public</v>

00:47:47.680 --> 00:47:51.040
<v Speaker 2>figure, and there is such thing as a limited public figure, notably,</v>

00:47:51.040 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 2>so you can be a public figure with regard to this one</v>

00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:59.120
<v Speaker 2>area, or you can be general, so a politician, general public figure.</v>

00:47:59.120 --> 00:48:05.600
<v Speaker 2>A sports figure, probably more limited, someone who becomes infamous for something</v>

00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>in particular, limited public figure.</v>

00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.280
<v Speaker 2>But the added requirement is actual malice.</v>

00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:16.720
<v Speaker 2>You have to show actual malice on the part of the publisher.</v>

00:48:16.720 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And if you're a public figure, good luck.</v>

00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Lowry is also an NAACP activist, unsurprising.</v>

00:48:25.120 --> 00:48:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Later in life he advocates for homosexual rights so called and homosexual</v>

00:48:29.520 --> 00:48:31.680
<v Speaker 2>marriage so called.</v>

00:48:31.680 --> 00:48:36.400
<v Speaker 2>One interesting part about this individual, and some of you may perhaps</v>

00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 2>remember this, he gave the benediction at the inauguration of Barack Obama.</v>

00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.320
<v Speaker 2>You may notice a theme we have a sort of state religion</v>

00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.720
<v Speaker 2>that is being formed here.</v>

00:48:48.720 --> 00:48:54.480
<v Speaker 2>And so the last individual for this particular group is Ralph Abernathy,</v>

00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.560
<v Speaker 2>another Baptist pastor.</v>

00:48:58.240 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 2>You may recognize his name if you read the news or have</v>

00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:05.200
<v Speaker 2>ever seen some certain memes.</v>

00:49:05.200 --> 00:49:10.160
<v Speaker 2>He opposed space exploration and he protested NASA a number of times.</v>

00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 2>He's the one who basically said we shouldn't be spending money</v>

00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:18.720
<v Speaker 2>on the universe out there, space exploration when there are poor people</v>

00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 2>here. And so he was advocating for basically shuddering NASA and dispersing</v>

00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:26.960
<v Speaker 2>all the money to poor blacks.</v>

00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 2>However, in addition to that little historical tidbit, one of the reasons</v>

00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Speaker 2>he is a particularly salient individual in this narrative is because he</v>

00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>was a close friend with MLK for many years, and he wrote</v>

00:49:42.240 --> 00:49:46.480
<v Speaker 2>a memoir that was rather revealing.</v>

00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.720
<v Speaker 2>In fact, he was roundly condemned by other associates of MLK</v>

00:49:51.600 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 2>He was accused of betraying MLK's trust because he is one of</v>

00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the ones who wrote about MLK's constant cheating.</v>

00:50:01.680 --> 00:50:08.640
<v Speaker 2>And also, he confirmed the FBI narrative that MLK spent his last</v>

00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 2>night on Earth cheating with two women and also beating a third</v>

00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 2>woman. So this is not just the FBI, this is also one</v>

00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:23.280
<v Speaker 2>of MLK's closest friends, who confirms for us the sort of nature</v>

00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of the individual who has been turned into a saint in the</v>

00:50:28.560 --> 00:50:30.160
<v Speaker 2>modern US religion.</v>

00:50:31.040 --> 00:50:35.680
<v Speaker 2>But staying in nineteen fifty seven briefly before we get to the</v>

00:50:35.680 --> 00:50:43.200
<v Speaker 2>aforementioned puppet master, and this leads right into him, in nineteen fifty-seven,</v>

00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:47.040
<v Speaker 2>MLK spoke at the American Jewish Congress.</v>

00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Now you may wonder why he was speaking at the American Jewish</v>

00:50:50.080 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Congress. Incidentally, later on, the AJC becomes involved in the march on</v>

00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Washington. But the reason that he speaks at the American Jewish Congress</v>

00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>is that earlier in the year he sent out a telegram asking</v>

00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:11.040
<v Speaker 2>various organizations for support, and Israel Goldstein, I am not making up</v>

00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that name, that is actually his name, who was then president of</v>

00:51:14.560 --> 00:51:21.120
<v Speaker 2>the American Jewish Congress, responded with support and advice for deliberations regarding</v>

00:51:21.120 --> 00:51:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the SCLC, which was the organization for which MLK had requested support</v>

00:51:26.080 --> 00:51:27.680
<v Speaker 2>at that time.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>A quote from his speech at the AJC: My people were brought</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to America in chains.</v>

00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Your people were driven here to escape the chains fashioned for them</v>

00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:39.600
<v Speaker 2>in Europe.</v>

00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Our unity is born of our common struggle for centuries not only</v>

00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to rid ourselves of bondage, but to make oppression of any people</v>

00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.240
<v Speaker 2>by others an impossibility.</v>

00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:54.160
<v Speaker 2>This is just another instance where you will see very close connections</v>

00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 2>between MLK and various Jewish individuals, particularly Jewish communists, and yes, Israel</v>

00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Goldstein was in fact a Marxist.</v>

00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Moving forward to nineteen fifty eight.</v>

00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>We have another speech by MLK at an AJC conference, this one</v>

00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.320
<v Speaker 2>their biennial conference.</v>

00:52:14.720 --> 00:52:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And here is the individual whose name you should truly know.</v>

00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:25.280
<v Speaker 2>He is at least the intermediate puppet master for MLK and a</v>

00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.160
<v Speaker 2>number of other so-called civil rights figures.</v>

00:52:28.160 --> 00:52:33.360
<v Speaker 2>He acts as a go between between international communism, particularly in the</v>

00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 2>USSR, and Marxist agitation, communist agitation, in the US.</v>

00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And that man is Stanley Leveson.</v>

00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>He was MLK's contact at the AJC.</v>

00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Stanley Levison was a Jewish attorney from New York.</v>

00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 2>He is one of the individuals, the key individual, in fact, who</v>

00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.720
<v Speaker 2>helped raise funds for the earlier Montgomery bus boycott.</v>

00:52:58.720 --> 00:53:01.600
<v Speaker 2>He is the one who ran the day to day operations of</v>

00:53:01.600 --> 00:53:02.800
<v Speaker 2>MLK's movement.</v>

00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.360
<v Speaker 2>He was the administrator.</v>

00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:10.720
<v Speaker 2>The FBI at the time had long known that Levison was a</v>

00:53:10.720 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 2>communist, had known that he funneled money from international communism into groups</v>

00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.920
<v Speaker 2>in the US to sow chaos.</v>

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 2>And so he was surveilled.</v>

00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Part of the reason the FBI began surveilling MLK was MLK's close</v>

00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.200
<v Speaker 2>relationship with Levison.</v>

00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>To give you a little bit of an idea of the sort</v>

00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.440
<v Speaker 2>of man Levison was, he was one of the individuals who helped</v>

00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.560
<v Speaker 2>support the defense of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.</v>

00:53:40.560 --> 00:53:44.160
<v Speaker 2>You should know those names, they were two traitors who were executed,</v>

00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 2>two Jewish communists who were executed for stealing nuclear secrets.</v>

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To

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<v Speaker 3>be fair, they would be traitors if they were Americans, but in</v>

00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.720
<v Speaker 3>fact they were serving their home country.</v>

00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:55.520
<v Speaker 3>They were</v>

00:53:56.640 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 3>they were Soviet.</v>

00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.240
<v Speaker 3>The fact that they happened to be here didn't change anything.</v>

00:54:00.240 --> 00:54:02.800
<v Speaker 3>So it's yes, they they were they were murdered.</v>

00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 3>They were executed.</v>

00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.400
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't just execution for treason.</v>

00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh but</v>

00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 3>they were serving their true master.</v>

00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.760
<v Speaker 3>They didn't betray anyone because they were never here to be a</v>

00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 3>part of America.</v>

00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:15.840
<v Speaker 3>They were here to help bring it down.</v>

00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.720
<v Speaker 3>And that's the case throughout much of the history of twentieth century</v>

00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:25.680
<v Speaker 3>espionage, particularly atomic espionage, over and over, you will find that wherever</v>

00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.480
<v Speaker 3>there were Jews who had access to this stuff, not at the</v>

00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:32.560
<v Speaker 3>highest level, because as we all know, the Manhattan Project was itself</v>

00:54:32.560 --> 00:54:37.520
<v Speaker 3>almost entirely a Jewish project, and many of them were well, they</v>

00:54:37.520 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 3>wanted to create the bomb for Europe, not for Asia, but it</v>

00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.520
<v Speaker 3>just so happened that it it needed to be used in Asia</v>

00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.080
<v Speaker 3>because we had already won the war in in Europe by the</v>

00:54:46.080 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Speaker 3>time they'd finished it.</v>

00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:48.080
<v Speaker 3>But</v>

00:54:49.680 --> 00:54:52.160
<v Speaker 3>it's not that every Jew who is a member at a high</v>

00:54:52.160 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 3>level of the industrial the in military industrial complex acted in a</v>

00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:02.720
<v Speaker 3>treasonous fashion, but very frequently when you run down the people who</v>

00:55:02.720 --> 00:55:09.760
<v Speaker 3>were committing slightly lower levels of espionage, they're almost invariably genetically</v>

00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.120
<v Speaker 3>linked back to their Jewish family in Russia.</v>

00:55:13.120 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 3>That's over and over again.</v>

00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:15.600
<v Speaker 3>We see that to this day.</v>

00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Many of the people who were accusers against Trump from within the</v>

00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:24.880
<v Speaker 3>military and elsewhere, over and over, it's Russian Jews, Ukrainian Jews.</v>

00:55:25.120 --> 00:55:27.600
<v Speaker 3>At some point the pattern means something.</v>

00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:30.560
<v Speaker 3>And that's not to say that it's a Jew we should dislike</v>

00:55:30.560 --> 00:55:33.920
<v Speaker 3>them. It's to say when almost everyone who's doing this sort of</v>

00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 3>thing has the same ethnic background, at some point it's worth noticing</v>

00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:39.200
<v Speaker 3>the pattern.</v>

00:55:39.200 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 3>And that's why we're explicitly pointing this out, to say over and</v>

00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:47.040
<v Speaker 3>over, whenever a Jew shows up in these stories, it's doing something</v>

00:55:47.040 --> 00:55:51.120
<v Speaker 3>that's contrary to the interests of America.</v>

00:55:51.120 --> 00:55:56.080
<v Speaker 3>And as we get further along into this series of episodes, I'll</v>

00:55:56.080 --> 00:55:58.080
<v Speaker 3>tell you folks who are listening.</v>

00:55:58.080 --> 00:56:00.240
<v Speaker 3>At some point we may cross the line for some of you</v>

00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:03.200
<v Speaker 3>where you will think I used to like those stone choir guys,</v>

00:56:03.200 --> 00:56:04.240
<v Speaker 3>but they've gone too far.</v>

00:56:04.240 --> 00:56:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't abide by any of this.</v>

00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I I'm not gonna listen anymore.</v>

00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.600
<v Speaker 3>I would hope that if and when you reach that point that</v>

00:56:11.680 --> 00:56:15.680
<v Speaker 3>rather than just turning it off mid episode, you would at least</v>

00:56:15.680 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Speaker 3>for another episode or two become a hate listener.</v>

00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Uh we have quite a few hate listeners to this podcast who</v>

00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:25.760
<v Speaker 3>feverishly tune in every week so they can be just completely outraged</v>

00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:27.680
<v Speaker 3>at the things that we say.</v>

00:56:27.680 --> 00:56:30.800
<v Speaker 3>If we cross one one of your red lines when we're dealing</v>

00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.640
<v Speaker 3>with these hot button subjects, I would just encourage you to consider</v>

00:56:34.640 --> 00:56:38.720
<v Speaker 3>the fact that we're applying the same level of rigor to that</v>

00:56:38.720 --> 00:56:42.160
<v Speaker 3>subject, whatever it is, as we do to every other subject we've</v>

00:56:42.160 --> 00:56:43.200
<v Speaker 3>ever discussed.</v>

00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 3>So if your red line is crossed by one of the comments</v>

00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.000
<v Speaker 3>that we make, keep listening and then prove us wrong in your</v>

00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 3>own mind.</v>

00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 3>You don't need to send us hate mail.</v>

00:56:52.160 --> 00:56:53.040
<v Speaker 3>we get plenty of that.</v>

00:56:53.040 --> 00:56:54.640
<v Speaker 3>But you know, if you want to, fine.</v>

00:56:54.640 --> 00:56:56.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying you have to answer to us.</v>

00:56:56.240 --> 00:56:59.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm simply saying if we say something that you're like that is</v>

00:56:59.600 --> 00:57:03.920
<v Speaker 3>completely unforgivable, go do Go do the research yourself and see if</v>

00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 3>we lied to you.</v>

00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 3>You might not like the conclusion, but frankly, you no one's entitled</v>

00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:10.400
<v Speaker 3>to his own facts.</v>

00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Things are either true or false.</v>

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.800
<v Speaker 3>And so as we give this, you know, the the rest of</v>

00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 3>this episode is getting read like the Tel Aviv phone book.</v>

00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.280
<v Speaker 3>That's not a coincidence.</v>

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.000
<v Speaker 3>it's what actually happened.</v>

00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.960
<v Speaker 3>And I think at some point any honest person has to say</v>

00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 3>this seems a bit disproportionate.</v>

00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of the social conditioning that's emerged since the 50s</v>

00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.240
<v Speaker 3>and 60s, frankly, it's specifically to make sure that if someone says</v>

00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:38.880
<v Speaker 3>these things, they do get shut down mentally.</v>

00:57:39.120 --> 00:57:40.640
<v Speaker 3>There's a mental block.</v>

00:57:40.640 --> 00:57:43.760
<v Speaker 3>It's like an emergency fire door that as soon as the alarm</v>

00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.840
<v Speaker 3>goes off it just drops and people can no longer interact or</v>

00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:49.280
<v Speaker 3>communicate or anything.</v>

00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 3>So most stone choir listeners you you're smart enough to be able</v>

00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:55.760
<v Speaker 3>to engage with things even if you don't necessarily like them.</v>

00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 3>If you hate something we say, just for a little while longer,</v>

00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:03.440
<v Speaker 3>keep engaging with it, because I will tell you in all sincerity,</v>

00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 3>one, we're not lying.</v>

00:58:05.120 --> 00:58:07.760
<v Speaker 3>And two, if you're willing to engage with the thing you find</v>

00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:13.680
<v Speaker 3>upsetting, you're gonna learn something because what we're telling you is factual.</v>

00:58:13.680 --> 00:58:17.520
<v Speaker 3>You may disregard our conclusions, but the facts can't be argued.</v>

00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 3>And so we believe that this pattern that is not emergent at</v>

00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.200
<v Speaker 3>this point, it's inescapable, that it is a significant pattern and that</v>

00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:26.240
<v Speaker 3>there's something to it.</v>

00:58:26.240 --> 00:58:29.520
<v Speaker 3>And we'll be doing future episodes where we specifically talk about how</v>

00:58:29.520 --> 00:58:33.360
<v Speaker 3>that pattern emerged and why it matters for Christians and for a</v>

00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Christian nation.</v>

00:58:34.720 --> 00:58:40.160
<v Speaker 3>If a certain ethnic group is continuously stealing secrets like atomic secrets,</v>

00:58:40.160 --> 00:58:43.760
<v Speaker 3>maybe that ethnic group shouldn't have access to atomic secrets.</v>

00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 3>That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask.</v>

00:58:46.640 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, if if every time you executed someone for treason it</v>

00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.320
<v Speaker 3>was an Irishman, at some point you'd ask what's going on with</v>

00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.440
<v Speaker 3>these Irish?</v>

00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.160
<v Speaker 3>There's no one who gets a special out in the narrative of</v>

00:58:58.160 --> 00:59:01.600
<v Speaker 3>the twentieth century has provided a special out for a certain group.</v>

00:59:01.600 --> 00:59:04.560
<v Speaker 3>And so that doesn't scare us.</v>

00:59:04.560 --> 00:59:06.160
<v Speaker 3>We're willing to tackle these things.</v>

00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:08.400
<v Speaker 3>So this is another blasphemy episode.</v>

00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:10.560
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna blaspheme some things that people don't like.</v>

00:59:10.560 --> 00:59:13.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not to be scandalous or shocking.</v>

00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.440
<v Speaker 3>It's just these are facts.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Stanley Levison was a communist.</v>

00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Stanley Levison ran Martin Luther King for a decade.</v>

00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Ran him like a puppet.</v>

00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.080
<v Speaker 3>And like that that's not just us saying it.</v>

00:59:26.080 --> 00:59:30.000
<v Speaker 3>It's his own biographers and others widely hold that view.</v>

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.280
<v Speaker 3>They'll phrase it differently.</v>

00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.240
<v Speaker 3>But you know, credit of Scott King and all of his other</v>

00:59:34.240 --> 00:59:36.640
<v Speaker 3>family members after he was killed.</v>

00:59:36.640 --> 00:59:40.240
<v Speaker 3>They credited Levinson for the trajectory of his career.</v>

00:59:40.240 --> 00:59:44.480
<v Speaker 3>So when we credit Levison for the trajectory of his career, we're</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in agreement with everyone who was there on the ground as it</v>

00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:48.080
<v Speaker 3>happened.</v>

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When

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the theft of nuclear secrets, there's basically one exception</v>

00:59:52.080 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 2>to the Jewish rule, and for anyone who is familiar with political</v>

00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:00.240
<v Speaker 2>science, the name should immediately come to mind, AQ Khan, who is</v>

01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:00.560
<v Speaker 2>the</v>

01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Well it depends on how you define your terms, either Indian or</v>

01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Pakistani because he was from an Indian family but emigrated to Pakistan</v>

01:00:09.120 --> 01:00:10.880
<v Speaker 2>because he was Muslim.</v>

01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.120
<v Speaker 2>But at any rate, he is the one responsible for stealing nuclear</v>

01:00:15.120 --> 01:00:20.720
<v Speaker 2>secrets largely from Europe and then proliferating them basically all over the</v>

01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:26.400
<v Speaker 2>world. He is the reason we have such an immense problem with</v>

01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.760
<v Speaker 2>nuclear arms in certain parts of the world.</v>

01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:34.000
<v Speaker 2>We have a problem with nuclear arms in basically there were a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>number of stages.</v>

01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:38.160
<v Speaker 2>You had the US first, then the USSR and a couple others,</v>

01:00:38.160 --> 01:00:42.320
<v Speaker 2>then you had India, Pakistan, North Korea, etc.</v>

01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.320
<v Speaker 2>The second one, that second wave of expansion, is due to Jewish</v>

01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 2>infiltration and theft of nuclear secrets.</v>

01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.520
<v Speaker 2>The third one is largely due to AQ Con.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But the second point that I wanted to make here is another</v>

01:00:58.560 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 2>tangential point.</v>

01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I did promise I would say something nice about the Irish, other</v>

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:05.440
<v Speaker 2>than they make good beer.</v>

01:01:06.560 --> 01:01:11.360
<v Speaker 2>One of the organizations that is salient throughout all of this is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the AFL CIO.</v>

01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Unions in particular play an outsized role when it comes to civil</v>

01:01:19.040 --> 01:01:23.600
<v Speaker 2>rights and socialism and communism, in large part because they were infiltrated,</v>

01:01:23.600 --> 01:01:27.600
<v Speaker 2>because they were seen as a very good way by Marxist agitators</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to spread their propaganda.</v>

01:01:29.120 --> 01:01:31.600
<v Speaker 2>It was very effective.</v>

01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:36.800
<v Speaker 2>The AFL CIO was founded essentially by two men in nineteen fifty-five.</v>

01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.160
<v Speaker 2>The first one is William Meany, who was an Irishman and a</v>

01:01:40.160 --> 01:01:41.760
<v Speaker 2>staunch anti-communist.</v>

01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:43.920
<v Speaker 2>And so he deserves praise for that.</v>

01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.240
<v Speaker 2>The second one, and here I will say something</v>

01:01:47.120 --> 01:01:51.840
<v Speaker 2>not nice about a German, Walter Reuter was the German co-founder of</v>

01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:56.720
<v Speaker 2>the AFL CIO, and he was a communist.</v>

01:01:56.720 --> 01:02:01.600
<v Speaker 2>But to return to Levison.</v>

01:02:01.600 --> 01:02:05.600
<v Speaker 2>And we left off with the defense of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg,</v>

01:02:05.600 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 2>of course, which is why we were talking about nuclear secrets.</v>

01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.000
<v Speaker 2>So per the FBI, Levison was one of the chief conduits for</v>

01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:17.440
<v Speaker 2>funneling money from the USSR into various organizations in the US, including</v>

01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.080
<v Speaker 2>the Communist Party USA, and also including MLK.</v>

01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:25.120
<v Speaker 2>He gave MLK some untold amount of money.</v>

01:02:25.120 --> 01:02:28.960
<v Speaker 2>There was one point where he just gave him $10,000.</v>

01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Today, that would probably be in the 90s, so $90 some thousand</v>

01:02:33.520 --> 01:02:35.120
<v Speaker 2>dollars. I don't know exactly how much.</v>

01:02:35.120 --> 01:02:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I'd have to look up the math on that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But a non trivial sum.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Levison was also one of the ghost writers for MLK's books and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>speeches. He did not necessarily write all of them, but he wrote</v>

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<v Speaker 2>large parts of a number of them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And here in particular is a very salient fact.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Levison worked for MLK for this entire time with zero compensation Compensation.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That should make you think about what he was attempting to do</v>

01:03:10.560 --> 01:03:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and who was pulling his strings.</v>

01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Now Levison, of course, was connected to other communists who were also</v>

01:03:18.560 --> 01:03:20.400
<v Speaker 2>tied to MLK.</v>

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Mention several of them here, two key ones.</v>

01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Hunter Pittsodell is the first.</v>

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:30.640
<v Speaker 2>He was a member of the Communist Party USA and the SCLC,</v>

01:03:30.640 --> 01:03:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Odell helped with the Birmingham campaign, which was basically a campaign to</v>

01:03:35.680 --> 01:03:40.800
<v Speaker 2>just bring Birmingham to its knees to cause chaos and to set</v>

01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:45.920
<v Speaker 2>up additional court cases and media coverage and sympathy and fundraising, etcetera,</v>

01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the sorts of things that you expect from communist agitation.</v>

01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Now with regard to both Levison and Odell, MLK was repeatedly told</v>

01:03:58.720 --> 01:04:04.080
<v Speaker 2>by high-ranking government officials, including the aforementioned Kennedy, that he needed to</v>

01:04:04.080 --> 01:04:08.800
<v Speaker 2>sever ties with these men because they were open communists, they were</v>

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.360
<v Speaker 2>known communist agitators.</v>

01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>MLK, of course, disregarded that.</v>

01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:18.160
<v Speaker 2>So even if he didn't personally find out some way, he knew</v>

01:04:18.160 --> 01:04:20.720
<v Speaker 2>because he was told multiple times this was the case</v>

01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:22.160
I

01:04:22.160 --> 01:04:25.440
<v Speaker 3>think I read that in sixty two or sixty three that ML</v>

01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:31.600
<v Speaker 3>that um I think Levison himself publicly stepped back from his interface</v>

01:04:31.600 --> 01:04:35.680
<v Speaker 3>with MLK specifically because of the wiretapping and the other pressure.</v>

01:04:35.680 --> 01:04:39.680
<v Speaker 3>But he continued his lifelong r relationship with with him in private.</v>

01:04:39.680 --> 01:04:42.960
<v Speaker 3>So the influence didn't change, he just ceased to be public about</v>

01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.040
<v Speaker 3>it. And that that's something that was in his</v>

01:04:45.040 --> 01:04:46.080
<v Speaker 2>own words.</v>

01:04:46.160 --> 01:04:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he exactly that is exactly what he did.</v>

01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Because he wanted to sort of attenuate that connection to some degree</v>

01:04:52.720 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 2>so that MLK would continue to be this shining example of nonviolence</v>

01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.640
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and not have this connection to</v>

01:05:01.600 --> 01:05:06.640
<v Speaker 2>a known communist who is funneling money from the USSR into the</v>

01:05:06.640 --> 01:05:08.560
<v Speaker 2>US to see chaos.</v>

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:13.360
<v Speaker 2>But the second individual here is Clarence Benjamin Jones.</v>

01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:16.160
<v Speaker 2>He was part of the defense team that argued New York Times</v>

01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:17.600
<v Speaker 2>v. Sullivan.</v>

01:05:17.600 --> 01:05:21.280
<v Speaker 2>He was also general counsel for a group called the Gandhi Society</v>

01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.760
<v Speaker 2>for Human Rights.</v>

01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:29.360
<v Speaker 2>This society is Society is noteworthy for a number of reasons.</v>

01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Mostly because of the individuals who are involved.</v>

01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:33.920
<v Speaker 2>You may see a theme with that as well.</v>

01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:37.680
<v Speaker 2>It was founded by Theodore Keel, who was a Jewish attorney from</v>

01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:38.640
<v Speaker 2>New York.</v>

01:05:38.640 --> 01:05:43.600
<v Speaker 2>The The other man Jones, just mentioned him, and Harry Vachtel, who</v>

01:05:43.600 --> 01:05:48.400
<v Speaker 2>was another Jewish attorney from New York, and member of the Communist</v>

01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Party.</v>

01:05:50.240 --> 01:05:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Other members of the Gandhi Society included Mordecai Johnson, who was the</v>

01:05:56.160 --> 01:05:59.360
<v Speaker 2>black president emeritus of Howard University.</v>

01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Although when I say black, I do encourage you if you are</v>

01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:03.920
<v Speaker 2>listening to look up pictures of this gentleman</v>

01:06:05.200 --> 01:06:06.480
<v Speaker 2>just go ahead and do that.</v>

01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:09.280
<v Speaker 2>You can pause the episode if you need to.</v>

01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:13.920
<v Speaker 2>William Moses Kunstler, I think you can probably guess this gentleman was</v>

01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Jewish. He was also an attorney, also an open communist, and incidentally,</v>

01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:20.000
<v Speaker 2>also from New York.</v>

01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Additionally, he was special counsel to the ACLU at the time.</v>

01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:29.040
<v Speaker 2>And the last individual, Benjamin Mays, president of Moorhouse College.</v>

01:06:29.040 --> 01:06:34.880
<v Speaker 2>You may remember Morehouse College from the last episode.</v>

01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:39.840
<v Speaker 2>A sort of aside here, but salient in the narrative, and there's</v>

01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.440
<v Speaker 2>a comment worth making on it.</v>

01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:46.800
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fifty-nine, MLK travels to India for a month.</v>

01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Somewhat salient, we just mentioned a Gandhi Society, but also salient because</v>

01:06:52.080 --> 01:06:56.880
<v Speaker 2>MLK didn't really act as a pastor, despite being pastor of a</v>

01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.680
<v Speaker 2>church, he spent his time being a political activist and then travelling</v>

01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:05.200
<v Speaker 2>to India for a month, and this made his congregation somewhat unhappy</v>

01:07:05.200 --> 01:07:07.680
<v Speaker 2>with him, understandably.</v>

01:07:07.680 --> 01:07:11.520
<v Speaker 3>And in yeah, nineteen fifty nine, when he got back from India,</v>

01:07:11.520 --> 01:07:15.360
<v Speaker 3>there was enough pressure from his congregation from from some members of</v>

01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.800
<v Speaker 3>it that he actually resigned his pastorate.</v>

01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Which is interesting because we're talking about fifty nine.</v>

01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Now he was He'd been in the pulpit since 48, but he</v>

01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:25.680
<v Speaker 3>didn't graduate.</v>

01:07:25.680 --> 01:07:27.600
<v Speaker 3>He didn't get his PhD till 54.</v>

01:07:27.600 --> 01:07:32.960
<v Speaker 3>And so effectively he was only technically in the pulpit outside of</v>

01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:34.640
<v Speaker 3>school for five years.</v>

01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:37.520
<v Speaker 3>But when you go back through the stuff that we've just listed,</v>

01:07:37.520 --> 01:07:40.960
<v Speaker 3>yeah, we didn't talk about all the things that MLK was personally</v>

01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:44.720
<v Speaker 3>doing, but he was active in all these things all the time.</v>

01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:49.520
<v Speaker 3>So as Corey just said, the man was not a pastor.</v>

01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:51.920
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't doing pastor stuff.</v>

01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:57.200
<v Speaker 3>Basically, what he did, he went through a grooming school, a preparatory</v>

01:07:57.200 --> 01:08:00.800
<v Speaker 3>process, at the end of which he was declared to be a</v>

01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:04.720
<v Speaker 3>reverend, and that gave him entree into pulpits anywhere he needed to</v>

01:08:04.720 --> 01:08:07.680
<v Speaker 3>go. So anywhere in the South, anywhere in you know the net</v>

01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Yankee North where he would be welcome as a you know as</v>

01:08:10.720 --> 01:08:14.400
<v Speaker 3>a black man in a white congregation, they would be very excited</v>

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:20.560
<v Speaker 3>to have this famous civil rights leader come preach in quote.</v>

01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Functionally, the man was just a politician.</v>

01:08:23.440 --> 01:08:25.680
<v Speaker 3>He was only an activist.</v>

01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:29.120
<v Speaker 3>And so looking back to the first episode, we made it very</v>

01:08:29.120 --> 01:08:32.880
<v Speaker 3>clear the man didn't wasn't Christian, didn't care about Christian doctrine.</v>

01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.920
<v Speaker 3>The whole reason that he got into the pulpit in the first</v>

01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:40.720
<v Speaker 3>place was to enable a life of this sort of activism.</v>

01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:41.760
<v Speaker 3>And that's what we see.</v>

01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:46.160
<v Speaker 3>he spent he spent so much time in his first five years</v>

01:08:46.160 --> 01:08:50.720
<v Speaker 3>as a so-called full-time pastor that his own congregation basically asked him</v>

01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:52.560
<v Speaker 3>to step down, and he did.</v>

01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:56.880
<v Speaker 3>And then the subsequent year, he did become an associate pastor in</v>

01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:00.320
<v Speaker 3>his father's congregation, but that wasn't because he was going to get</v>

01:09:00.480 --> 01:09:03.440
<v Speaker 3>back into the pulpit as a serious preacher.</v>

01:09:03.440 --> 01:09:07.200
<v Speaker 3>It was to maintain that credibility check mark.</v>

01:09:07.200 --> 01:09:10.640
<v Speaker 3>He needed people to be able to r to address him as</v>

01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.480
<v Speaker 3>reverend and say, here's a here's a wonderful pastor from the south.</v>

01:09:14.480 --> 01:09:16.160
<v Speaker 3>He's here to preach to us today.</v>

01:09:16.160 --> 01:09:18.800
<v Speaker 3>It was a skin suit from the very beginning.</v>

01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:22.240
<v Speaker 3>And that's why that's why we're talking about on a Christian podcast.</v>

01:09:22.240 --> 01:09:26.720
<v Speaker 3>A man who cloaked himself in the Christian faith went on to</v>

01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:30.480
<v Speaker 3>work for communists to do destructive things.</v>

01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 3>That's That's it.</v>

01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:33.920
<v Speaker 3>And you know, we said before, is that politics?</v>

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Is it religion?</v>

01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I don't care.</v>

01:09:36.080 --> 01:09:37.280
<v Speaker 3>It's evil.</v>

01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:38.720
<v Speaker 3>It's insincere.</v>

01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.400
<v Speaker 3>It's not Christian.</v>

01:09:40.400 --> 01:09:41.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just bad.</v>

01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.480
<v Speaker 3>You don't need to sort of put it into the correct bucket</v>

01:09:44.480 --> 01:09:46.240
<v Speaker 3>to be able to know what to know what to think about</v>

01:09:46.240 --> 01:09:48.880
<v Speaker 3>it. The man pretended to be a pastor so that he could</v>

01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:50.720
<v Speaker 3>do all of this other stuff.</v>

01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:54.240
<v Speaker 3>And that's that's kind of what this entire episode boils down to.</v>

01:09:54.240 --> 01:09:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Not only was he not Christian as we talked about last episode,</v>

01:09:57.120 --> 01:09:59.760
<v Speaker 3>but he wasn't he wasn't a pastor either.</v>

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.000
<v Speaker 3>The man didn't do pastoral stuff.</v>

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.400
<v Speaker 3>He did get in pulpits and gave speeches.</v>

01:10:04.400 --> 01:10:07.200
<v Speaker 3>And occasionally he would talk and he'd talk about God and he</v>

01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:09.280
<v Speaker 3>would talk about Jesus, but not at the same time, 'cause as</v>

01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:11.360
<v Speaker 3>we mentioned, he didn't think they were the same.</v>

01:10:11.360 --> 01:10:14.880
<v Speaker 3>He didn't think that Jesus was God or is God.</v>

01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:19.600
<v Speaker 3>But he knew that Jesus opened pocketbooks and Jesus would open doors.</v>

01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.040
<v Speaker 3>And so that word, that shibboleth that he would provide to actual</v>

01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Christians in some of these places was the opportunity for him to</v>

01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.120
<v Speaker 3>do what the communists had sent him to</v>

01:10:29.120 --> 01:10:37.280
<v Speaker 2>do.</v>

01:10:37.280 --> 01:10:40.640
<v Speaker 2>If we mention that MLK spent a month in India</v>

01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and that MLK was an advocate of so-called non-violence, then it's probably</v>

01:10:48.400 --> 01:10:52.640
<v Speaker 2>incumbent on us to at some point go after the idol that</v>

01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:55.120
<v Speaker 2>is Mahatma Gandhi.</v>

01:10:55.120 --> 01:11:00.080
<v Speaker 2>Because of course the nonviolence thing was his big argument.</v>

01:11:00.080 --> 01:11:02.320
<v Speaker 2>And it's as much of a lie as in the case of</v>

01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:07.840
<v Speaker 2>MLK. But returning to MLK, the topic of this episode, in nineteen</v>

01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:12.480
<v Speaker 2>sixty, he moves to Atlanta because he wants to become more involved</v>

01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:16.960
<v Speaker 2>in the SCLC, which was based in Atlanta, and so he becomes</v>

01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:23.200
<v Speaker 2>associate pastor at his father's church, Ebenezer Baptist Church.</v>

01:11:23.200 --> 01:11:27.280
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty three, this is where we get the Birmingham Campaign,</v>

01:11:27.280 --> 01:11:28.960
<v Speaker 2>which was mentioned earlier</v>

01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:35.440
<v Speaker 2>these are large scale protests to disrupt the operation of Birmingham.</v>

01:11:35.440 --> 01:11:39.200
<v Speaker 2>The goal here is complete and utter chaos to bring the city</v>

01:11:39.200 --> 01:11:42.240
<v Speaker 2>to its knees and to force change.</v>

01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Which sounds an awful lot</v>

01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:51.200
<v Speaker 2>like something that is not nonviolence, so called.</v>

01:11:51.200 --> 01:11:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Notably, in this campaign, they deliberately used children and young adults in</v>

01:11:56.320 --> 01:12:02.160
<v Speaker 2>order In order to garner sympathy and that was one hundred percent</v>

01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:08.400
<v Speaker 2>fully undertaken with the knowledge that the use of riot tactics would</v>

01:12:08.400 --> 01:12:12.480
<v Speaker 2>be in play because of what these protesters so called were doing.</v>

01:12:12.480 --> 01:12:16.800
<v Speaker 2>The goal was to have children or young adults injured in front</v>

01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:19.840
<v Speaker 2>of the media so that they could take this to the world</v>

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:22.320
<v Speaker 2>and garner sympathy.</v>

01:12:22.320 --> 01:12:24.560
<v Speaker 2>This was scripted beginning to end.</v>

01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:29.600
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't executed well, but it was scripted from the beginning.</v>

01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:33.600
<v Speaker 2>The mastermind, as it were, behind the use of children and young</v>

01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:35.920
<v Speaker 2>adults was James Beville.</v>

01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:39.360
<v Speaker 2>You may be surprised to learn that James Beville was a serial</v>

01:12:39.360 --> 01:12:44.480
<v Speaker 2>pedophile, who frequently abused his own daughters and undoubtedly others.</v>

01:12:44.480 --> 01:12:47.840
<v Speaker 2>One of his daughters in the court case where he was convicted</v>

01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:51.760
<v Speaker 2>of incest, testified that he began molesting her when she was only</v>

01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.160
<v Speaker 2>six years old.</v>

01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Lest you believe that these charges were ginned up against him, One</v>

01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:03.920
<v Speaker 2>of the items introduced to evidence into evidence in that case was</v>

01:13:04.160 --> 01:13:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a recording of a conversation between James Bevel and one of his</v>

01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:13.040
<v Speaker 2>daughters, in which he admits to having raped her, and states that</v>

01:13:13.040 --> 01:13:16.880
<v Speaker 2>he just wanted to have sex with her, not get her pregnant.</v>

01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.400
<v Speaker 2>This was of course admitted when he denied it, because then it</v>

01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:24.400
<v Speaker 2>is an admission against interest and it is permissible to admit that</v>

01:13:24.400 --> 01:13:28.640
<v Speaker 2>over hearsay objection a little A little legal aside for some what</v>

01:13:29.040 --> 01:13:32.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying And that's relevant for one specific reason.</v>

01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:34.560
<v Speaker 3>These are moral matters.</v>

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:39.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, the the accusation of racism is a morac moral accusation.</v>

01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.720
<v Speaker 3>It is an accusation of sin against a god.</v>

01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:48.000
<v Speaker 3>And that makes it relevant when men who will rape their own</v>

01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:52.880
<v Speaker 3>children will also call racism evil.</v>

01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:57.120
<v Speaker 3>We said many times, if you as a Christian believe that something</v>

01:13:57.120 --> 01:14:01.840
<v Speaker 3>like racism is evil or misogyny or all of these other words</v>

01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:04.480
<v Speaker 3>that didn't exist in the nineteenth century century.</v>

01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:09.360
<v Speaker 3>If you believe that those are sins against God, ask yourself how</v>

01:14:09.360 --> 01:14:12.800
<v Speaker 3>your morality perfectly matches someone who rapes his own daughters.</v>

01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Because it does.</v>

01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Someone who says that racism is evil has the same god as</v>

01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:22.160
<v Speaker 3>someone who says that pedophilia is okay.</v>

01:14:22.160 --> 01:14:29.440
<v Speaker 3>And those those two keep coming up with freakishly creepy frequency.</v>

01:14:29.440 --> 01:14:33.440
<v Speaker 3>It's really disturbing to me how often someone who comes after Corey</v>

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:37.040
<v Speaker 3>or myself, or anyone, you know, on the right, anyone who's not</v>

01:14:37.040 --> 01:14:41.760
<v Speaker 3>afraid to say, actually maybe human beings are not all just fungible</v>

01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.360
<v Speaker 3>economic cogs.</v>

01:14:43.360 --> 01:14:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Maybe God creates us differently, and perhaps for different purposes.</v>

01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.720
<v Speaker 3>When someone says that, and the person who's furious with them is</v>

01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:54.560
<v Speaker 3>also a child rapist, that's morally relevant.</v>

01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Because these are moral questions.</v>

01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:02.240
<v Speaker 3>If harming children in such a horrific manner is okay to someone,</v>

01:15:02.240 --> 01:15:06.320
<v Speaker 3>and using a mean word about someone is horrific to the same</v>

01:15:06.320 --> 01:15:09.600
<v Speaker 3>person, at some point you have to ask yourself: is your moral</v>

01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:13.840
<v Speaker 3>compass broken if it's pointing the same direction as theirs?</v>

01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.520
<v Speaker 3>Because if you're pointing in the same direction on racism, how are</v>

01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.240
<v Speaker 3>they pointing in the in a different direction when it comes to</v>

01:15:20.240 --> 01:15:23.280
<v Speaker 3>something that's clearly much more serious.</v>

01:15:23.280 --> 01:15:25.680
<v Speaker 3>And yet these things keep coming up.</v>

01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:26.800
<v Speaker 3>And he's not the only one.</v>

01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Like this happens all the time.</v>

01:15:29.120 --> 01:15:32.160
<v Speaker 3>we talked in the past about uh Jeffrey Dahmer.</v>

01:15:32.160 --> 01:15:37.200
<v Speaker 3>He was a sodomite, a cannibal, a rapist, a murderer.</v>

01:15:37.200 --> 01:15:40.320
<v Speaker 3>The thing that he was upset about when he was arrested and</v>

01:15:40.320 --> 01:15:42.960
<v Speaker 3>in the press was when he was called a racist.</v>

01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:46.240
<v Speaker 3>That was the only thing that anyone accused Dahmer of that actually</v>

01:15:46.240 --> 01:15:47.120
<v Speaker 3>offended him.</v>

01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:49.920
<v Speaker 3>that was against his religion.</v>

01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:52.160
<v Speaker 3>That should be a big deal to Christians.</v>

01:15:52.160 --> 01:15:55.360
<v Speaker 3>If you're still not over the hump of thinking that racism is</v>

01:15:55.360 --> 01:15:58.480
<v Speaker 3>not only not a sin, but it's actually talking about something that</v>

01:15:58.480 --> 01:16:02.320
<v Speaker 3>may be r relevant in the Christian faith, you should just stop</v>

01:16:02.320 --> 01:16:03.840
<v Speaker 3>what you're doing and and work on that.</v>

01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.320
<v Speaker 3>That's why we did a whole series on race and we did</v>

01:16:06.320 --> 01:16:08.080
<v Speaker 3>an entire episode on racism.</v>

01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Cause don't forget Martin Luther King Jr., Mike devoted his whole life</v>

01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:13.520
<v Speaker 3>to fighting racism.</v>

01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:14.320
<v Speaker 3>And he did.</v>

01:16:14.320 --> 01:16:15.280
<v Speaker 3>He fought racism.</v>

01:16:15.280 --> 01:16:16.560
<v Speaker 3>He toppled racism.</v>

01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.440
<v Speaker 3>The reason he comes up in our churches today, because he is</v>

01:16:19.440 --> 01:16:21.840
<v Speaker 3>the patron saint of anti racism.</v>

01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:26.080
<v Speaker 3>He's also a communist, he's also godlist, he's also a rapist, he</v>

01:16:26.080 --> 01:16:28.640
<v Speaker 3>was an evil, wicked man who's burning in hell, and he was</v>

01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:30.080
<v Speaker 3>anti racist.</v>

01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:32.480
<v Speaker 3>That makes it relevant for every Christian today.</v>

01:16:32.480 --> 01:16:35.680
<v Speaker 3>If you can have a religion that has bits and pieces of</v>

01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Satan's religion and then bits and pieces of God's religion, and you</v>

01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:42.560
<v Speaker 3>throw them all together, does God survive that?</v>

01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:48.800
<v Speaker 3>does the true Christian faith survive contact with utterly wicked things?</v>

01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:50.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it can.</v>

01:16:50.160 --> 01:16:55.280
<v Speaker 3>And it's not powerlessness on God's part, it's unbelief on our part,</v>

01:16:55.280 --> 01:16:58.720
<v Speaker 3>if we're willing to take these wicked things from wicked men and</v>

01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:00.560
<v Speaker 3>say, Yeah, that's mine, that's my new religion.</v>

01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm really passionate about this now.</v>

01:17:03.280 --> 01:17:07.360
<v Speaker 3>At some point you're jeopardizing your soul and it doesn't take long.</v>

01:17:07.360 --> 01:17:09.840
<v Speaker 3>As we can see from all of these men, these all these</v>

01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:10.560
<v Speaker 3>men are evil.</v>

01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.080
<v Speaker 3>There's not a good one among them.</v>

01:17:12.080 --> 01:17:13.200
<v Speaker 3>And we didn't pick.</v>

01:17:13.200 --> 01:17:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Like this is just a l this is just a litany of</v>

01:17:15.440 --> 01:17:18.880
<v Speaker 3>the men in in Mike's life who were all working towards the</v>

01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:23.040
<v Speaker 3>same goals that are by and large anti-racist, which as we said</v>

01:17:23.040 --> 01:17:27.520
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning, was an explicit Soviet tenpole of the destruction of</v>

01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:28.880
<v Speaker 3>America. You</v>

01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:33.200
<v Speaker 2>bring up an important point there that I want to emphasize.</v>

01:17:33.200 --> 01:17:37.760
<v Speaker 2>We did not pick these individuals at random, we did not go</v>

01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:39.680
<v Speaker 2>looking for the worst ones.</v>

01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:46.400
<v Speaker 2>In fact, this list was almost exclusively made from the King Institute</v>

01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:48.080
<v Speaker 2>at Stanford.</v>

01:17:48.080 --> 01:17:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Just taking the names of the individuals the King Institute considers relevant</v>

01:17:53.360 --> 01:17:54.800
<v Speaker 2>in his life.</v>

01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:55.840
<v Speaker 2>So there are others</v>

01:17:56.720 --> 01:18:00.800
<v Speaker 2>who could be listed here, and they aren't.</v>

01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:05.520
<v Speaker 2>We listed the ones that the defenders of King say were relevant</v>

01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:07.840
<v Speaker 2>in his life.</v>

01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:11.840
<v Speaker 2>So this is the good representation of MLK.</v>

01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:14.800
<v Speaker 2>There's a worse one we could make.</v>

01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:18.320
<v Speaker 2>But return for just a moment to Bevel.</v>

01:18:18.320 --> 01:18:21.920
<v Speaker 2>During the trial he also admitted to having had sixteen children with</v>

01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.880
<v Speaker 2>six seven different women.</v>

01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I will decline to draw any conclusions from that.</v>

01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Notably, the Jesuits were involved in the Birmingham campaign.</v>

01:18:34.480 --> 01:18:36.160
<v Speaker 2>They did, however, remark</v>

01:18:37.120 --> 01:18:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that the protesters were disorganized and in their words quote misdirected.</v>

01:18:44.480 --> 01:18:49.280
<v Speaker 2>But the Roman Catholic Church has long had involvement in the so-called</v>

01:18:49.280 --> 01:18:52.000
<v Speaker 2>civil rights movement, and not just in the US, but in other</v>

01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:54.960
<v Speaker 2>places as well.</v>

01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.240
<v Speaker 2>And I am not just picking on the Roman Catholics because obviously</v>

01:18:58.320 --> 01:19:02.720
<v Speaker 2>we've already mentioned Baptists and Methodists, and I believe there either is</v>

01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:05.360
<v Speaker 2>an Episcopalian in this list or I saw him while I was</v>

01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:07.840
<v Speaker 2>reading, I may not have ultimately included him.</v>

01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.720
<v Speaker 2>But this same year, after this</v>

01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:16.240
<v Speaker 2>immense civil unrest caused by MLK.</v>

01:19:16.240 --> 01:19:18.640
<v Speaker 2>And men there were deaths in this.</v>

01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:22.320
<v Speaker 2>There were individuals who were killed as part of this rioting.</v>

01:19:22.320 --> 01:19:26.880
<v Speaker 2>MLK, of course, caps this off by giving a speech about nonviolence</v>

01:19:27.040 --> 01:19:32.480
<v Speaker 2>because how better to cap off a riot that lasts for days</v>

01:19:32.480 --> 01:19:34.400
<v Speaker 2>on end.</v>

01:19:34.400 --> 01:19:37.680
<v Speaker 2>But this is used as one of the reasons that the FBI</v>

01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:45.440
<v Speaker 2>finally wiretaps MLK and then consistency consistently begins collecting recordings</v>

01:19:45.440 --> 01:19:48.720
<v Speaker 2>of his conversations with others.</v>

01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:52.800
<v Speaker 2>This is also when he writes his famous or infamous, depending on</v>

01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.760
<v Speaker 2>your point of view, letter from Birmingham Jail.</v>

01:19:55.760 --> 01:20:00.800
<v Speaker 2>This is in part a response to mostly white pastors who had</v>

01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:01.840
<v Speaker 2>urged MLK.</v>

01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:05.680
<v Speaker 2>These are individuals who didn't disagree with MLK.</v>

01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.120
<v Speaker 2>They believed in the things for which he was fighting.</v>

01:20:09.120 --> 01:20:10.560
<v Speaker 2>They agreed with his goals.</v>

01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:15.600
<v Speaker 2>They just said, be less radical, be more patient.</v>

01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:20.960
<v Speaker 2>He rejected that, and then he ultimately turned that letter into his</v>

01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:24.000
<v Speaker 2>third book, Why We Can't Wait.</v>

01:20:24.320 --> 01:20:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Declaring, I guess, a a very high time preference.</v>

01:20:29.200 --> 01:20:33.040
<v Speaker 2>But also in nineteen sixty-three we have the March on Washington, one</v>

01:20:33.040 --> 01:20:35.040
<v Speaker 2>of the more Famous</v>

01:20:36.320 --> 01:20:39.520
<v Speaker 2>bit pieces, acts in this entire saga.</v>

01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Officially, it was called The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.</v>

01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Unsurprisingly, they dropped jobs and also freedom.</v>

01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:52.720
<v Speaker 2>This was organized largely by Randolph and Rustin, two individuals mentioned earlier</v>

01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:57.280
<v Speaker 2>and noted specifically for having helped organize the march on Washington.</v>

01:20:57.280 --> 01:21:02.560
<v Speaker 2>There were about two hundred thousand demonstrators who descended on Washington for</v>

01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:03.680
<v Speaker 2>this march.</v>

01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:06.800
<v Speaker 2>This is, of course, where MLK gives his I Have a Dream</v>

01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:11.440
<v Speaker 2>speech. There are a number of notable participants, in fact, quite a</v>

01:21:11.440 --> 01:21:17.760
<v Speaker 2>few notable participants come out for this particular rally.</v>

01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I will note one who has not been mentioned previously, a number</v>

01:21:21.440 --> 01:21:24.560
<v Speaker 2>of those who were mentioned previously, of course, attend to this rally,</v>

01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:29.200
<v Speaker 2>but one who was not, was Rabbi Joachim Prince, who was the</v>

01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:33.680
<v Speaker 2>president of the American Jewish Congress at the time, an organization we</v>

01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.680
<v Speaker 2>have mentioned a number of times already.</v>

01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:41.680
<v Speaker 2>He had notably been expelled from Germany in nineteen thirty seven, perhaps</v>

01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:45.120
<v Speaker 2>for similar activity which he is now engaging in on U.S.</v>

01:21:45.120 --> 01:21:51.520
<v Speaker 2>soil. This man notably joined the march through Memphis after MLK was</v>

01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:58.400
<v Speaker 2>killed. And so we're sort of coming to the end of MLK's</v>

01:21:59.280 --> 01:22:04.960
<v Speaker 2>well, timeline as it were here, but not necessarily the end of</v>

01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:09.280
<v Speaker 2>describing exactly what it is we've just gone over, what is happening</v>

01:22:09.280 --> 01:22:14.000
<v Speaker 2>here. There's a lot of disparate seeming information.</v>

01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:18.240
<v Speaker 2>If we drew a full web, however, of the connections between and</v>

01:22:18.240 --> 01:22:20.800
<v Speaker 2>among these individuals, it would be so dense you would not be</v>

01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:23.760
<v Speaker 2>able to read the names.</v>

01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:28.640
<v Speaker 2>This is all connected, this is all organized, this is all part</v>

01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:34.160
<v Speaker 2>of a plan, in this case, an international communist plan, to subvert</v>

01:22:34.160 --> 01:22:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the United States, to s to cause chaos, because the goal, in</v>

01:22:39.280 --> 01:22:44.880
<v Speaker 2>large part, for international communism was the destruction of America because America</v>

01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:48.960
<v Speaker 2>was really the only standing power against communism.</v>

01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Europe had already been destroyed.</v>

01:22:51.040 --> 01:22:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Western Europe was busy attempting to rebuild still.</v>

01:22:54.320 --> 01:22:54.800
<v Speaker 2>They did not</v>

01:22:56.080 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 2>form any sort of real opposition to communism, to the spread of</v>

01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:01.280
<v Speaker 2>international communism.</v>

01:23:01.280 --> 01:23:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Only the US did.</v>

01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:06.240
<v Speaker 2>And so the goal was to destroy the US, and one of</v>

01:23:06.240 --> 01:23:06.560
<v Speaker 2>the</v>

01:23:07.440 --> 01:23:09.760
<v Speaker 2>key arrows in that quiver.</v>

01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:13.920
<v Speaker 2>One of the key parts of that plan was to use Southern</v>

01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:19.200
<v Speaker 2>blacks to agitate for along social lines and along racial lines to</v>

01:23:19.200 --> 01:23:23.280
<v Speaker 2>destabilize the U.S., to force the U.S to look inward to attempt</v>

01:23:23.280 --> 01:23:27.680
<v Speaker 2>to solve these problems to address the chaos, and therefore retreat from</v>

01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:31.520
<v Speaker 2>opposing international communism.</v>

01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:34.640
<v Speaker 2>But the final two events we have here we'll just go through</v>

01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>these two because really they're the most salient for this.</v>

01:23:38.480 --> 01:23:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen sixty four.</v>

01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:44.080
<v Speaker 2>MLK is named Man of the Year by Time Magazine.</v>

01:23:44.080 --> 01:23:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Now in some cases the man of the year Is just the</v>

01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:50.640
<v Speaker 2>most salient man of the year, the one who has done the</v>

01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:54.320
<v Speaker 2>most or caused the most chaos as the case may be.</v>

01:23:54.320 --> 01:23:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But here we actually see some of the building of the narrative</v>

01:23:59.440 --> 01:24:05.280
<v Speaker 2>of MLK as Saint, in the new religion of the US.</v>

01:24:05.280 --> 01:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>That religion being essentially Marxism, but often called many other things.</v>

01:24:10.240 --> 01:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>It's anti racism, its egalitarian, its it's in favor of equality, it's</v>

01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:16.800
<v Speaker 2>all of these things.</v>

01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:17.360
<v Speaker 2>It's</v>

01:24:19.120 --> 01:24:22.000
<v Speaker 2>We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are</v>

01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:23.120
<v Speaker 2>created equal.</v>

01:24:23.120 --> 01:24:24.560
<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.</v>

01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Made into a religion with various tenets and various different cults.</v>

01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:32.880
<v Speaker 2>These days largely sex cults, as we have gone over in this</v>

01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.440
<v Speaker 2>and other episodes.</v>

01:24:35.440 --> 01:24:39.600
<v Speaker 2>But it is a false religion, and if you're Christian, obviously you</v>

01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:44.880
<v Speaker 2>cannot participate in a competing religion.</v>

01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:50.320
<v Speaker 2>And so of course we end MLK's timeline with him being shot</v>

01:24:50.320 --> 01:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>and killed on april fourth of nineteen sixty eight.</v>

01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>We'll decline to speculate as to what exactly happened there because quite</v>

01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:03.440
<v Speaker 2>frankly, it's not entirely clear who did what.</v>

01:25:03.440 --> 01:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>The white The why is obvious.</v>

01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>His corpse was used as a sled to push through civil rights</v>

01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:15.120
<v Speaker 2>legislation. And so it's very obvious why it happened and how it</v>

01:25:15.120 --> 01:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>was used, but who exactly played what role is probably something that</v>

01:25:20.080 --> 01:25:24.560
<v Speaker 2>is known only to God and those who were actually involved.</v>

01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:25.440
At

01:25:25.440 --> 01:25:28.400
<v Speaker 3>some point in the near future we will definitely be doing an</v>

01:25:28.400 --> 01:25:33.920
<v Speaker 3>episode specifically on the history of so-called civil rights in the US</v>

01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:38.400
<v Speaker 3>one of the things that I hope as you're listening to the</v>

01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:44.160
<v Speaker 3>news and reports today in current year, as you see trannies and</v>

01:25:44.160 --> 01:25:48.400
<v Speaker 3>all this other demonic activity out in the open, the people who</v>

01:25:48.400 --> 01:25:51.760
<v Speaker 3>are doing those things make it very clear that that is the</v>

01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:54.400
<v Speaker 3>culmination of the civil rights movement.</v>

01:25:54.400 --> 01:25:55.840
<v Speaker 3>They say that</v>

01:25:57.200 --> 01:26:02.480
<v Speaker 3>So-called transgender mutilated men and women standing on the lawn of the</v>

01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:09.120
<v Speaker 3>White House, half naked, exposing their mutilated bodies, is the pinnacle of</v>

01:26:09.120 --> 01:26:12.800
<v Speaker 3>civil rights, that this sort of acceptance of this sort of behavior</v>

01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:18.000
<v Speaker 3>of these sort of people is the end stage civil rights movement.</v>

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:19.200
<v Speaker 3>And they're right.</v>

01:26:19.200 --> 01:26:21.520
<v Speaker 3>I I think that's the hard part for a lot of Christians</v>

01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:24.160
<v Speaker 3>to acknowledge is that they're telling the truth.</v>

01:26:24.160 --> 01:26:26.160
<v Speaker 3>These people don't always lie.</v>

01:26:26.160 --> 01:26:29.600
<v Speaker 3>When they show you the absolute most evil thing that you can</v>

01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:33.200
<v Speaker 3>possibly imagine and say, yeah, this is we're finishing.</v>

01:26:33.200 --> 01:26:36.000
<v Speaker 3>This is the finish line of of what Martin Luther King Jr.</v>

01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:40.560
<v Speaker 3>started. If you like MLK, you want to defend his legacy, you</v>

01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:42.720
<v Speaker 3>say, oh no, he was he was a good man, judge a</v>

01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.000
<v Speaker 3>man by the content of his character, not this stuff.</v>

01:26:46.400 --> 01:26:50.800
<v Speaker 3>If you believe who Mike King really was, it's a lot easier</v>

01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.680
<v Speaker 3>to believe these people when they're doing these evil things and they</v>

01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:56.240
<v Speaker 3>say, Yeah, we're on the same team as that guy.</v>

01:26:56.240 --> 01:26:58.960
<v Speaker 3>And as we said at the beginning, sure, he didn't go as</v>

01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:01.520
<v Speaker 3>far. He might not have approved of some of those things, but</v>

01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:06.400
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter because Cory just said his once he had served</v>

01:27:06.400 --> 01:27:09.600
<v Speaker 3>his purpose he had one last purpose, and that was to be</v>

01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>the sled that the rest of this stuff rode on to advance</v>

01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:16.160
<v Speaker 3>the ball further than he had in his life.</v>

01:27:16.160 --> 01:27:19.040
<v Speaker 3>In his death he did even more damage in his life as</v>

01:27:19.040 --> 01:27:19.920
<v Speaker 3>a saint.</v>

01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:22.880
<v Speaker 3>And he's continuing to do that damage today in our churches.</v>

01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.960
<v Speaker 3>When this man is invoked as a source of morality and Christian</v>

01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:32.960
<v Speaker 3>virtue. Once you know the things that we'd said this week and</v>

01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:37.360
<v Speaker 3>last week about the man, what does it say about your pastor,</v>

01:27:37.360 --> 01:27:41.680
<v Speaker 3>whoever is is spreading that in your church for him to believe</v>

01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.280
<v Speaker 3>that, to actually believe that this man who had an entire life</v>

01:27:45.440 --> 01:27:49.680
<v Speaker 3>against God and God's things, he didn't get one thing right.</v>

01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:51.360
<v Speaker 3>He didn't get anything right.</v>

01:27:51.360 --> 01:27:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Everything he ever did was intrinsically evil, and it was in service</v>

01:27:56.160 --> 01:27:58.480
<v Speaker 3>to evil that was even greater than himself.</v>

01:27:58.480 --> 01:28:01.680
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't smart enough to understand that Levinson was handling him.</v>

01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:03.840
<v Speaker 3>He thought Levison was a friend.</v>

01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:07.520
<v Speaker 3>It's funny with the the discussions in in the memoirs and the</v>

01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:13.040
<v Speaker 3>wiretaps. Levinson was a typical New York Jewish lawyer.</v>

01:28:13.040 --> 01:28:15.120
<v Speaker 3>He was very much invested in money.</v>

01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:17.280
<v Speaker 3>A lot of the one of the complaints from the FBI is</v>

01:28:17.280 --> 01:28:20.320
<v Speaker 3>that a lot of the wiretaps are crazy Are completely mundane.</v>

01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:24.400
<v Speaker 3>They're this guy whining about nickeling and diming these other circumstances.</v>

01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:27.360
<v Speaker 3>And yet when it comes to devoting so much of his time</v>

01:28:27.360 --> 01:28:33.600
<v Speaker 3>and energy to King's work, never a dime was transferred from King</v>

01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:34.960
<v Speaker 3>to Levinson.</v>

01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:37.520
<v Speaker 3>As Corey said, that tells you something.</v>

01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.720
<v Speaker 3>There was so much value that this man who would be so</v>

01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:43.760
<v Speaker 3>cheap in every other aspect of his life was like, no, I'm</v>

01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:45.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna do this for free.</v>

01:28:45.280 --> 01:28:47.680
<v Speaker 3>If you're being charitable and if you think these are good people,</v>

01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.600
<v Speaker 3>you think, oh wow, it was so important.</v>

01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, it was important to Levison to achieve the goals that</v>

01:28:55.120 --> 01:28:57.920
<v Speaker 3>global communism had, that global jewelry had.</v>

01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:03.600
<v Speaker 3>This was their goal was to use civil rights law as a</v>

01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:05.520
<v Speaker 3>solvent to dissolve</v>

01:29:06.400 --> 01:29:08.000
<v Speaker 3>American society.</v>

01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah we'll we'll talk about it in the in the civil rights</v>

01:29:10.320 --> 01:29:16.240
<v Speaker 3>episode, but I think that as we look back from current year</v>

01:29:16.240 --> 01:29:20.240
<v Speaker 3>onto the civil rights marches and the civil rights efforts in the</v>

01:29:20.320 --> 01:29:24.160
<v Speaker 3>50s and 60s, it's very easy to say, well, yeah, they were</v>

01:29:24.160 --> 01:29:27.360
<v Speaker 3>fighting for what's fair and black people were mistreated and I don't</v>

01:29:27.280 --> 01:29:27.680
<v Speaker 3>like that.</v>

01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:29.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to see people mistreated.</v>

01:29:29.440 --> 01:29:31.120
<v Speaker 3>That's not a bad impulse.</v>

01:29:31.120 --> 01:29:33.040
<v Speaker 3>We wouldn't say that's a bad impulse.</v>

01:29:33.040 --> 01:29:36.000
<v Speaker 3>The question is why was it actually happening?</v>

01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.640
<v Speaker 3>And while things we'll talk about in more detail, but I think</v>

01:29:38.640 --> 01:29:41.920
<v Speaker 3>it's worth mentioning here just because of the Tel Vhone book we've</v>

01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:45.360
<v Speaker 3>just read here is that all of the laws, all of the</v>

01:29:45.360 --> 01:29:50.240
<v Speaker 3>rules, all the signs that prohibited Negroes in certain places also prohibited</v>

01:29:50.240 --> 01:29:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Jews in almost every case.</v>

01:29:52.080 --> 01:29:57.120
<v Speaker 3>The civil rights movement, we're told today, in retrospect, was about giving</v>

01:29:57.120 --> 01:30:02.080
<v Speaker 3>African Americans equal access to all of America's bounty.</v>

01:30:02.080 --> 01:30:06.640
<v Speaker 3>In reality, when those laws were passed, they also meant that you</v>

01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:10.400
<v Speaker 3>couldn't have social clubs, you couldn't have golf clubs, you couldn't have</v>

01:30:10.400 --> 01:30:14.640
<v Speaker 3>any sort of private institution where the real power in so-called Wasp</v>

01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:17.440
<v Speaker 3>America excluded Jews.</v>

01:30:17.440 --> 01:30:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Because Jew is first and foremost an ethnicity.</v>

01:30:21.040 --> 01:30:24.160
<v Speaker 3>You can be an atheist Jew and it's not an oxymoron.</v>

01:30:24.160 --> 01:30:26.480
<v Speaker 3>See, it's one of these things where someone you say, well, is</v>

01:30:26.480 --> 01:30:27.920
<v Speaker 3>someone Jewish or not?</v>

01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:28.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.</v>

01:30:28.480 --> 01:30:30.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he goes to synagogue.</v>

01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:33.920
<v Speaker 3>That's a bait and switch that that's been put in our minds.</v>

01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:37.520
<v Speaker 3>Someone can be Jewish and not have the Jewish faith.</v>

01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:39.760
<v Speaker 3>They don't have to be practicing to be a Jew.</v>

01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:42.880
<v Speaker 3>And frankly, it's really offensive to say to someone you're not a</v>

01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Jew because they don't wear the hat and go to synagogue.</v>

01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:47.840
<v Speaker 3>That denies who they are.</v>

01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:49.360
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't do that.</v>

01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:53.920
<v Speaker 3>and yet that's something that gets played on us when someone wants</v>

01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:56.560
<v Speaker 3>to say, well, I I kind of have a problem with some</v>

01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.120
<v Speaker 3>of the political goals of this group of people.</v>

01:30:59.120 --> 01:31:03.440
<v Speaker 3>So as we go through the civil rights history in detail, just</v>

01:31:03.440 --> 01:31:06.240
<v Speaker 3>keep in mind that all the stuff that was presented is being</v>

01:31:06.240 --> 01:31:09.280
<v Speaker 3>done in the name of God, in the name of Christianity, in</v>

01:31:09.280 --> 01:31:13.520
<v Speaker 3>the name of African Americans, it achieved all the goals of these</v>

01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:17.040
<v Speaker 3>other people, of the Lebensons and the Kunzlers and all the others,</v>

01:31:17.040 --> 01:31:19.760
<v Speaker 3>without them having to be out in front.</v>

01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:23.840
<v Speaker 3>They never had to say, let me into your golf club, your</v>

01:31:24.080 --> 01:31:25.280
<v Speaker 3>your golf course.</v>

01:31:25.280 --> 01:31:27.600
<v Speaker 3>All they had to say was you should let this black man</v>

01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:31.120
<v Speaker 3>in. And then when the civil rights rights laws were passed, that</v>

01:31:31.120 --> 01:31:36.720
<v Speaker 3>basically made illegal individuals choosing with whom they would associate, they were</v>

01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:37.920
<v Speaker 3>let in as well.</v>

01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:40.400
<v Speaker 3>And I think that a big part of the fight that's completely</v>

01:31:40.400 --> 01:31:43.280
<v Speaker 3>invisible, and part of the reason that guys like Levison were doing</v>

01:31:43.280 --> 01:31:45.680
<v Speaker 3>all the work for free, was they got a lot out of</v>

01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:49.440
<v Speaker 3>it. Even apart from the global communist efforts, which you know, for</v>

01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:52.400
<v Speaker 3>some people maybe is a is a big ticket item to small</v>

01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.360
<v Speaker 3>o those we said at the beginning, like even the Atlantic says,</v>

01:31:55.360 --> 01:31:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's exactly what was going on.</v>

01:31:57.040 --> 01:31:58.800
<v Speaker 3>That's not that's not secret history.</v>

01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:02.960
<v Speaker 3>It's literally the history of the last century.</v>

01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:05.840
<v Speaker 3>I think the overall theme of this in man of our episodes</v>

01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:09.360
<v Speaker 3>is don't necessarily take what people say at face value.</v>

01:32:09.360 --> 01:32:12.480
<v Speaker 3>If someone says they're doing something in the name of fairness or</v>

01:32:12.480 --> 01:32:15.600
<v Speaker 3>in the name of Jesus or whatever they know is gonna sound</v>

01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>good in your mind, look at where they came from, look at</v>

01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>the genealogy of their ideas, and look at who else is along</v>

01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:23.680
<v Speaker 3>for the ride.</v>

01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Who are they partners and friends with and who's going to benefit</v>

01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:32.080
<v Speaker 3>if they convince you to do what they're asking you to do?</v>

01:32:32.080 --> 01:32:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Because the convincing part is always in moral terms.</v>

01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:38.560
<v Speaker 3>It's this is right, this is wrong, you must do this, you</v>

01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:39.760
<v Speaker 3>can't do that.</v>

01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:43.360
<v Speaker 3>But the doing is what actually matters.</v>

01:32:43.360 --> 01:32:47.840
<v Speaker 3>You could choose to end free association as a civil rights act</v>

01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:49.600
<v Speaker 3>did for any reason or no reason.</v>

01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>You would say, Yeah, I think everyone should be forced to associate</v>

01:32:52.400 --> 01:32:54.400
<v Speaker 3>with everyone else no matter what.</v>

01:32:54.400 --> 01:32:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay. All they have to do is convince you of one reason</v>

01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:00.880
<v Speaker 3>that's going to work and then agree with them and then do</v>

01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the thing and then it's over.</v>

01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:06.800
<v Speaker 3>And so every time these things happen, they advance the ball and</v>

01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:08.880
<v Speaker 3>they move things a little bit further.</v>

01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:12.400
<v Speaker 3>And then they restructure polite society.</v>

01:33:12.400 --> 01:33:16.080
<v Speaker 3>So for a man to question, huh, how did that happen?</v>

01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:17.360
<v Speaker 3>and what's up with all these people?</v>

01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Why are they all moving in lockstep across a century without any</v>

01:33:21.280 --> 01:33:22.640
<v Speaker 3>apparent coordination?</v>

01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:24.960
<v Speaker 3>And why is it always bad for my people?</v>

01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:28.320
<v Speaker 3>When someone asks that question, they're slandered and defamed in the worst</v>

01:33:28.320 --> 01:33:32.960
<v Speaker 3>possible terms in my in modern society, but they're terms that didn't</v>

01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.440
<v Speaker 3>exist a hundred years ago because they're not moral terms.</v>

01:33:35.440 --> 01:33:38.640
<v Speaker 3>They're new political terms for political enemies.</v>

01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:42.640
<v Speaker 3>And it's okay for Christians and honest men, even if they're not</v>

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Christian, to break free of someone else's labels of how you must</v>

01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:49.920
<v Speaker 3>limit your behavior.</v>

01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Behavior should be dictated by conscience.</v>

01:33:52.240 --> 01:33:56.080
<v Speaker 3>And as a Christian's conscience should be dictated by scripture.</v>

01:33:56.080 --> 01:34:00.000
<v Speaker 3>And when someone who's not Christian comes along and tries to dictate</v>

01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:01.840
<v Speaker 3>your conscience in</v>

01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Jesus-y sounding terms that aren't from scripture, just say no, I want</v>

01:34:07.440 --> 01:34:08.240
<v Speaker 3>no part of that.</v>

01:34:08.240 --> 01:34:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about what's in the Bible or let's not talk at</v>

01:34:10.240 --> 01:34:12.800
<v Speaker 3>all because I'm not interested in hearing you out.</v>

01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.520
<v Speaker 3>I think that if we were to unwind just a little bit,</v>

01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:18.720
<v Speaker 3>basically back to where we were in the fifties, in terms of</v>

01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:22.560
<v Speaker 3>viewing these ideas with either a jaundice eye or a welcoming one,</v>

01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:26.160
<v Speaker 3>we'll the conversations would be completely different.</v>

01:34:26.160 --> 01:34:26.480
<v Speaker 3>And</v>

01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:29.520
<v Speaker 3>right and wrong doesn't change.</v>

01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:30.720
<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't.</v>

01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Right and wrong is eternal because it comes from God.</v>

01:34:33.440 --> 01:34:36.080
<v Speaker 3>And so as long as God is not changing, what is sin</v>

01:34:36.080 --> 01:34:38.240
<v Speaker 3>and not sin doesn't change either.</v>

01:34:38.240 --> 01:34:42.320
<v Speaker 3>And our if our anchor is in the ethics of the day,</v>

01:34:42.320 --> 01:34:46.400
<v Speaker 3>it's easy to get bounced around by the tides of these things.</v>

01:34:46.400 --> 01:34:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Christians have to anchor our morality in scripture.</v>

01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:51.600
<v Speaker 3>If God said it, it's true.</v>

01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:53.680
<v Speaker 3>If God forbids it, it's evil.</v>

01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Begin there, and everything else is simple.</v>

01:34:56.480 --> 01:35:00.000
<v Speaker 3>And when someone comes along and says, for six thousand years, everyone</v>

01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:00.480
<v Speaker 3>was wrong.</v>

01:35:00.480 --> 01:35:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Today we have a different idea.</v>

01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:05.680
<v Speaker 3>You just need to know that that person's not speaking in God's</v>

01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:09.840
<v Speaker 3>name. And once you figure that out, you can decide who is</v>

01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:12.960
<v Speaker 3>actually acting in your benefit and who might be a threat to</v>

01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:14.800
<v Speaker 3>your soul.</v>

01:35:14.800 --> 01:35:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Ultimately a big part of this episode, and others like it, is</v>

01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:26.160
<v Speaker 2>simply an encouragement to heed the warnings of scripture that a tree</v>

01:35:26.160 --> 01:35:32.000
<v Speaker 2>is known by its fruit, and we are living with the fruit</v>

01:35:32.240 --> 01:35:36.880
<v Speaker 2>of the tree of the civil rights movement, because the fruit of</v>

01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>that movement is transgenderism.</v>

01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>The fruit of that movement is children having their genitalia removed in</v>

01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:51.120
<v Speaker 2>the pursuit of becoming the other sex as if that were possible,</v>

01:35:51.120 --> 01:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>as if we can undo what God did, if we can correct</v>

01:35:54.400 --> 01:35:57.520
<v Speaker 2>his supposed errors.</v>

01:35:57.520 --> 01:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>The fruit of that movement is the incredible increase in interracial crime.</v>

01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:05.760
<v Speaker 2>The fruit of that movement</v>

01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>is the fact that we have an enormous percentage of young children</v>

01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:15.520
<v Speaker 2>who are now depressed and some who commit suicide.</v>

01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.240
<v Speaker 2>And I could go on for quite some time.</v>

01:36:18.240 --> 01:36:22.640
<v Speaker 2>We all know because we are living through it.</v>

01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So if the fruit of the tree is poisonous, the tree is</v>

01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>poisonous. And so if you wouldn't eat the poisonous fruit, then why</v>

01:36:34.080 --> 01:36:36.240
<v Speaker 2>would you defend the tree?</v>

01:36:36.480 --> 01:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>If you look at the way the world is today and you</v>

01:36:40.400 --> 01:36:44.400
<v Speaker 2>recognize that it is anti Christian, if you recognize that the world</v>

01:36:45.040 --> 01:36:52.080
<v Speaker 2>hates God, hates his truth, hates his sheep, why would you</v>

01:36:52.080 --> 01:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>support the very sort of men and the very ideas that brought</v>

01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>us to where we are today.</v>

01:36:59.440 --> 01:37:03.840
<v Speaker 2>And there is a direct line from the civil rights movement to</v>

01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:05.520
<v Speaker 2>where we are today.</v>

01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:09.440
<v Speaker 2>And we will get into that eventually with an episode on civil</v>

01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:14.560
<v Speaker 2>rights. And if you go back through the list</v>

01:37:15.440 --> 01:37:20.080
<v Speaker 2>of the men and the women we talked about in this episode,</v>

01:37:20.080 --> 01:37:24.160
<v Speaker 2>you will find a lot of them who claim to be Christian.</v>

01:37:24.160 --> 01:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>You will find Baptists and Methodists aplenty.</v>

01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Some of them admitted they were not religious, most of them claimed</v>

01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>to be one of those two</v>

01:37:38.480 --> 01:37:41.280
<v Speaker 2>And yet look at their deeds.</v>

01:37:41.280 --> 01:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Or in the case of those who wrote, look at their writings.</v>

01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:47.120
<v Speaker 2>These men were not Christian.</v>

01:37:47.120 --> 01:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>They did not believe in the God of the Bible, they did</v>

01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>not behave as Christians they behaved for all the world as wicked</v>

01:37:56.400 --> 01:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>pagans, virtually their entire lives, in some of these cases.</v>

01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>And look at those with whom they surrounded themselves.</v>

01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:13.360
<v Speaker 2>They surrounded themselves with atheists and Jews, and quite a few communists,</v>

01:38:13.360 --> 01:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and there is indeed a lot of overlap in those categories</v>

01:38:18.320 --> 01:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Christians do not behave in that way.</v>

01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:25.520
<v Speaker 2>not to say that you cannot associate with sinners because that's always</v>

01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the charge whenever we make an argument like this.</v>

01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, Christ associate with prostitutes yes, he told them to stop</v>

01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:35.680
<v Speaker 2>being prostitutes.</v>

01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>If you are a Christian and you spend your entire life associating</v>

01:38:39.280 --> 01:38:40.560
<v Speaker 2>with communists</v>

01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.600
<v Speaker 2>There's a very good argument to be made you probably are not</v>

01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>a Christian.</v>

01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Because you should be calling the communists to repentance and then disassociating</v>

01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:54.560
<v Speaker 2>yourself if they refuse for a period of time.</v>

01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>You can debate the period of time, but you cannot debate.</v>

01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:02.240
<v Speaker 2>The scripture is very clear, do not even associate with such a</v>

01:39:02.240 --> 01:39:08.560
<v Speaker 2>one. There are injunctions in Scripture with relation to disentangling yourself from</v>

01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:15.200
<v Speaker 2>open impenitent sinners, because they will drag you down with them.</v>

01:39:15.200 --> 01:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>And yet here in the US, we are told that we are</v>

01:39:18.480 --> 01:39:21.840
<v Speaker 2>supposed to revere these men, that we are supposed to pursue the</v>

01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:25.040
<v Speaker 2>same things they pursued as if they were Christian.</v>

01:39:25.040 --> 01:39:28.160
<v Speaker 2>We're told these are part of the faith.</v>

01:39:28.160 --> 01:39:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Find it in the pages of Scripture.</v>

01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Find me where Scripture says racism is a sin.</v>

01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Find me where Scripture says anti-racism is a good work.</v>

01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:43.120
<v Speaker 2>You won't find it.</v>

01:39:43.120 --> 01:39:45.200
<v Speaker 2>You will find that Scripture says you have to care for your</v>

01:39:45.200 --> 01:39:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Care for your own above and beyond the stranger.</v>

01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:52.400
<v Speaker 2>You will find that Scripture says that if you forsake your own</v>

01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>family, you are worse than an unbeliever.</v>

01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>And yet we're told by so many modern pastors, this is a</v>

01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>sin of partiality.</v>

01:40:01.200 --> 01:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>It's not.</v>

01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>We've gone over that.</v>

01:40:05.120 --> 01:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Partiality is subverting justice.</v>

01:40:07.200 --> 01:40:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Partiality is not showing preference to your blood kin.</v>

01:40:12.240 --> 01:40:15.600
<v Speaker 2>That is simply behaving as a Christian.</v>

01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:18.480
<v Speaker 2>That's behaving as a human being, that's behaving as a man.</v>

01:40:18.480 --> 01:40:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Even pagans get that one right, better than many modern Christians.</v>

01:40:24.080 --> 01:40:28.480
<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to these new invented so called sins, there's</v>

01:40:28.400 --> 01:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a very simple standard.</v>

01:40:30.400 --> 01:40:33.440
<v Speaker 2>It has two steps.</v>

01:40:33.440 --> 01:40:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Can you find it explicitly in the pages of scripture.</v>

01:40:39.280 --> 01:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And then, if Christians did not write about it in virtually the</v>

01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:50.080
<v Speaker 2>entire two thousand year history of the New Testament Church, then why</v>

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<v Speaker 2>on earth</v>

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that it is a salient part or even a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>required part of the Christian faith?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If you cannot find it in Scripture, and you cannot find it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in the historical writings of the church, then it simply is not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Christian.</v>