WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:00.640 Yeah. 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:39.600 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:40.480 I am Cory J. 00:00:40.720 --> 00:00:45.120 Mahler and I'm still woe. 00:00:45.120 --> 00:00:48.480 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 00:00:48.480 --> 00:00:52.160 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the 00:00:52.160 --> 00:00:55.280 face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:56.800 the face of the waters. 00:00:56.800 --> 00:01:00.880 And God said, Let there be light, and there was light, and 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.480 God saw that the light was good, and God separated the light 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:05.680 from the darkness. 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:09.600 God called the light day, and the darkness he called night, and 00:01:09.600 --> 00:01:13.520 there was evening and there was morning the first day. 00:01:13.520 --> 00:01:16.640 And God said, Let there be an expanse in the midst of 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:20.560 the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters, and 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.680 God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:27.440 expanse, from the waters that were above the expanse, and it was 00:01:27.440 --> 00:01:31.360 so, and God called the expanse heaven, and there was evening and 00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:34.080 there was morning, the second day. 00:01:34.080 --> 00:01:37.760 And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.600 into one place, and let the dry land appear, and it was 00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:45.520 so. God called the dry land earth, and the waters that were 00:01:45.520 --> 00:01:50.160 gathered together he called seas, and God saw that it was good. 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:53.520 Today's episode of Stone Choir as you might have guessed is going 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:57.600 to be about the six days of creation, as it intersects with 00:01:57.600 --> 00:02:03.040 theology today and as it intersects with modern scientific understanding. 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.480 This is a subject that we broached in episode six on the 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:11.120 perspicuity of scripture, where we discussed in in some different detail than 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:16.240 we're going to go in today the fact that there are modern 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:21.360 debates among Christians about to what degree do we believe the Bible. 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.760 Do we believe that it is allegorical in some areas? 00:02:25.760 --> 00:02:30.720 Are this is this some sort of fictional genre of literature that 00:02:30.720 --> 00:02:32.800 isn't to be believed literally? 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.560 What do you do when God is saying things that don't line 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:38.560 up with our understanding of physics? 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:41.920 Yeah, for example, when you read through Genesis one and two, light 00:02:41.920 --> 00:02:44.560 appears before stars appear. 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:48.240 Obviously as as intelligent men, we know that's stupid because we know 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:49.840 that light comes from stars. 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.600 God says the opposite. 00:02:51.600 --> 00:02:55.760 And so as Christians, we have one approach to these things and 00:02:55.760 --> 00:02:58.640 then the world has another approach to these things. 00:02:58.640 --> 00:03:01.440 One of the reasons we want to tackle this subject today is 00:03:01.440 --> 00:03:06.320 that the question of how does scientific knowledge match up with or 00:03:06.320 --> 00:03:10.080 conflict with what's in scripture is a stumbling block for some people 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:11.440 who are coming to the faith. 00:03:11.440 --> 00:03:14.320 I know that lately we've picked up quite a few new listeners, 00:03:14.320 --> 00:03:17.280 uh, particularly from the myth of twentieth century appearance. 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:18.800 Uh thank you again to Adam for that. 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:20.800 That was a a treat to be on there. 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.120 And I one of the things that I mentioned, and it surprised 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.560 him a little bit, was that I am a young earth creationist. 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:29.280 The reason that I am, and the reason we're discussing this today, 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:33.200 is that it is the only possible Christian position. 00:03:33.200 --> 00:03:35.760 So today's episode is going to be in two parts. 00:03:35.760 --> 00:03:37.840 The first part's going to be the short part talking about the 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:40.400 theology, and then we're going to spend the rest of the time 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:41.920 talking about some of the science. 00:03:41.920 --> 00:03:44.080 Because I know that a lot of you, if you're looking at 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.880 Christianity, that you maybe you want to believe it, you're trying to 00:03:46.880 --> 00:03:49.920 figure out what this stuff is about, the things that you know, 00:03:49.920 --> 00:03:52.800 the things that are scientific knowledge that you think you can have 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.600 confidence in, if they're at odds with this Jesus stuff, you got 00:03:57.760 --> 00:03:59.120 to keep your bearings. 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.960 And then and as Christians for the majority of the audience, those 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.320 who are fully engaged in the faith, what do we do with 00:04:06.320 --> 00:04:09.440 a world that's saying, no, that's nonsense. 00:04:09.440 --> 00:04:11.200 Here's what we actually believe. 00:04:11.200 --> 00:04:13.120 And today there are a lot of people in the church who 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.440 want to kind of split the difference and say, well, you know, 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:18.160 it's just kind of it was it was flowery language. 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.160 Who knows what God really meant? 00:04:20.880 --> 00:04:24.480 One of the tricks that's played within the church is that you'll 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.440 find guys today saying, Well, if you look at the early church 00:04:27.440 --> 00:04:31.040 fathers, they debated whether the six days of creation was literal or 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.360 not. It is true to an extent. 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.440 There were some church fathers who disputed whether it was six natural 00:04:37.440 --> 00:04:39.840 twenty four hour days. 00:04:39.840 --> 00:04:43.680 However, they were not doing that in defense of a universe that 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.840 was millions or billions of years old. 00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:49.920 Their argument was whether it was 168 hours or whether it was 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:50.800 less than that. 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:55.120 Because the other side of that argument was specifically saying creation was 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.520 instantaneous, effectively the big bang. 00:04:57.520 --> 00:05:02.160 And then after that, God, you know, put everything together. 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:06.480 And so they were debating within a very small amount of time, 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.680 was it you know a femtosecond or was it 168 hours? 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.760 That's not remotely the debate today. 00:05:11.760 --> 00:05:14.800 So if you hear someone claiming to be a Christian who says, 00:05:14.960 --> 00:05:18.720 oh, that's an open question because the early church fathers debated, know 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:20.960 that they're lying to you, flat out lying. 00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:23.920 None of the church fathers say what they were saying when they 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:25.600 want to say who could not possibly know. 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.240 Maybe it might have been a thousand years, ten thousand years, a 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:29.120 million years. 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:30.400 They weren't saying that. 00:05:30.400 --> 00:05:32.640 And if they had, they would have been wrong, because they were 00:05:32.640 --> 00:05:37.040 flawed, sinful men, just like you and me and everyone who's ever 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:38.480 looked at these things. 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:40.000 We have scripture. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:41.680 We have scripture to be confident in. 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.280 And that was episode six on the clarity of scripture, discussing the 00:05:45.280 --> 00:05:49.280 fact that as Christians, that is our frame of reference. 00:05:49.280 --> 00:05:54.560 When God spoke the universe into existence, as Corey just read, that's 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.680 it. It appeared because he said it. 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.480 He declared it and it became. 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.880 That's That is power. 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.080 That is the infinite power of the creator. 00:06:06.080 --> 00:06:07.920 Creation began at that point. 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:12.560 And so the six days of creation are when God was putting 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:17.040 the universe together, when he was establishing the order that we see 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:18.400 observable today. 00:06:18.400 --> 00:06:22.560 Yeah, we see rules, we see constants, we see patterns emerge over 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.720 and over, and they tend to be very consistent. 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:26.560 We don't see a lot of variation over time. 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:31.600 Or if we do see variation, it's predictable based on rules inherent 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.040 to the system. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:37.120 And that is something that people want to sort of soft pedal 00:06:37.200 --> 00:06:39.440 and say, well, I'm not going to talk about the Bible, but 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:42.080 there's got to be an intelligent designer, don't you think? 00:06:42.080 --> 00:06:45.280 Well, yeah, that's true, but why why be godless? 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:46.640 It's God. 00:06:46.640 --> 00:06:49.760 And so the second half of this episode, you know, the majority 00:06:49.760 --> 00:06:52.320 of the episode we're talking about the science stuff, we're going to 00:06:52.320 --> 00:06:55.680 be making the case that if you If you reject scripture, or 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.120 if you don't believe scripture yet, you say, well, that's faith-based. 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:00.560 I'm fact-based. 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:01.680 We will demonstrate. 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.280 Mostly Corney's going to be demonstrating by because he's he's actually well 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:06.320 versed in science. 00:07:06.320 --> 00:07:08.560 I'm going to be your voice in this episode, just kind of 00:07:08.880 --> 00:07:12.480 being the the dummy listening and asking questions because I'll tell you, 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.880 my science education was utter garbage. 00:07:14.880 --> 00:07:17.920 I the Lutheran high school I went to in Indianapolis had the 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.560 same science teacher in tenth and eleventh grade. 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:24.400 I very distinctly remember the first day of eleventh grade. 00:07:24.400 --> 00:07:28.320 She said, Hey guys, remember last year when I told you what 00:07:28.320 --> 00:07:31.040 exothermic and endothermic reactions were about? 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:32.240 I got those backwards. 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.280 So So I knew she was wrong at the time, but like 00:07:35.840 --> 00:07:38.880 Lutheran schools are variable in quality. 00:07:38.880 --> 00:07:40.800 So I love science. 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:44.000 I'm I'm that guy, except I'm also Christian. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.240 But whenever I look at these things, it's always in view of 00:07:46.320 --> 00:07:50.080 here's what I already believe based on scripture, what is it that 00:07:50.080 --> 00:07:52.640 we're discovering in creation? 00:07:52.640 --> 00:07:56.880 If you've gone back through the catalog of Stone Choir episodes, you 00:07:56.880 --> 00:08:00.880 will find that Corey and I will very often point back to 00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:07.280 Job chapters 38 and following, where God finally appears to Job to 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:11.200 answer him, to answer his complaints and his demands for explanation. 00:08:11.200 --> 00:08:13.120 And And what you find, please go read it. 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:13.600 It's beautiful. 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.160 It's the as I've said is one of my favorite passages. 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:21.520 When God appears to Job and talks to him, he doesn't coddle 00:08:21.520 --> 00:08:24.400 him. He doesn't say, oh, sorry, you're going through this, or he 00:08:24.400 --> 00:08:27.120 doesn't, he doesn't try to make things better right away. 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:32.480 His immediate response when Job is demanding explanations from the Creator is 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:33.920 who are you? 00:08:33.920 --> 00:08:38.000 Where were you when I formed the world. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:42.880 And he goes into great length for multiple chapters describing his creation 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.280 as testifying to his glory. 00:08:45.280 --> 00:08:48.880 So when I say I love science, it's not the the reddit 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.880 atheist soyjack face. 00:08:50.880 --> 00:08:53.760 I love the fact that when I look at creation, every time 00:08:53.760 --> 00:08:57.600 there's something that we finally figure out a little bit more, it's 00:08:57.520 --> 00:09:01.200 a greater revelation of God's natural revelation. 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.000 I see God in those things because I believe God when He 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:05.360 said He made them. 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:08.080 And so as we get into some of the details, what we 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:13.440 will establish is that it is also faith-based to believe the science, 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.120 so-called, against Scripture. 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:19.120 And it's in fact a much more absurd belief system. 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:19.840 It 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.600 might be helpful to point out before we get into more of 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:30.320 the scripture, the word that is underlying day there in Genesis, and 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.960 the word is Hemera. 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.240 That word just means day in Greek. 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.320 From B Dag. 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:43.440 The first definition is the period between sunrise and sunset. 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.720 Exactly what we would call a day in English. 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:51.440 The second definition is the civil or legal day, which includes the 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:55.680 night. Again, one of the main definitions we would use in English. 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.880 This is a term that means day. 00:09:58.880 --> 00:10:00.400 It means 24-hour day. 00:10:00.400 --> 00:10:02.800 It means exactly what it says. 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:04.400 This is not a figurative day. 00:10:04.400 --> 00:10:06.320 This is not a metaphorical day. 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:10.560 This is not an age, this is not an era. 00:10:10.560 --> 00:10:14.480 That is an argument that has been raised many times, because just 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:20.000 like English, most other languages have a figurative use of the term 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.440 day. You know, every dog has his day. 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.920 That doesn't necessarily mean a literal day. 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:27.760 Could mean a period of time. 00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:33.120 The same thing can be true in Greek or indeed in Hebrew. 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.040 But the core sense of the term, and if you read in 00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:39.920 the context, it is very clear the core sense is meant. 00:10:39.920 --> 00:10:44.800 The core sense of the term is the 24-hour literal day. 00:10:44.800 --> 00:10:45.840 So creation 00:10:46.880 --> 00:10:52.720 24-hour twenty four our literal day six days, and then resting on 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:54.400 the seventh day. 00:10:54.400 --> 00:10:57.600 That is why when you look at the Church Fathers, many of 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:01.040 them will have written something titled the Hexameron, which is just on 00:11:01.040 --> 00:11:01.760 the six days 00:11:03.520 --> 00:11:08.160 because creation was a literal week. 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:10.000 The modern attempt to 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.720 hand wave away on the basis of, well, there could be this 00:11:14.800 --> 00:11:21.040 figurative use of this particular term is simply embarrassment at what scripture 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:23.680 says in light of what science supposedly claims. 00:11:23.680 --> 00:11:28.480 And it is generally embarrassment by men who do not understand either 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.360 scripture or the science. 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.520 And we will get into those in that order in this episode. 00:11:37.680 --> 00:11:41.680 And God actually goes out of his way rhetorically in the first 00:11:41.680 --> 00:11:45.200 five days of creation to say each time, and there was evening 00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:47.840 and there was morning the first day, and the second, and the 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:49.760 third, and the fourth, and the fifth. 00:11:49.760 --> 00:11:54.080 God over and over again says this is a 24 hour day. 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:55.920 So I thank you pr for bringing that up. 00:11:55.920 --> 00:11:59.760 That is a it's a crucial point because as a Christian, if 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:04.080 you actually believe scripture, it's necessary to believe that. 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:04.640 And And 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.120 it's a small detail, but it's consistent with the rest. 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:12.480 And as I said at the beginning, one of the one of 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.160 the things to understand when we're looking at the six days of 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:20.480 creation before God finished, as he declared it to be finished and 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.160 said is very good, is that everything was up for grabs. 00:12:24.160 --> 00:12:27.520 As I said, you have light before you have stars, like the 00:12:27.520 --> 00:12:31.520 order of operations doesn't make sense based on the way things exist 00:12:31.520 --> 00:12:35.840 today. And so if you're looking at a system evolving and building 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.360 on itself internally, yeah, it doesn't make sense. 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.960 But we don't need a system to make sense internally because God 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:44.320 wasn't done making it. 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.240 It was on the last day when he said it was very 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:49.040 good and then he rested that it was complete. 00:12:49.040 --> 00:12:51.120 At that point it was locked in. 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.680 Before that, he was messing with things. 00:12:53.680 --> 00:12:57.520 He was changing things, he was moving parts around. 00:12:57.520 --> 00:13:00.880 So it's okay for the beginning not to add up. 00:13:00.880 --> 00:13:04.720 That's not illogical because God is doing stuff. 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:05.680 He's working. 00:13:05.680 --> 00:13:09.600 You know, imagine you you come to someone who's building a watch 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.120 or a garden, you know, whatever he's doing, some creative, you know, 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.640 as we call creative process, and he's in the middle of it, 00:13:16.640 --> 00:13:18.640 and you come in and say, Well, you're missing this and this 00:13:18.640 --> 00:13:20.160 and this, and it doesn't make any sense. 00:13:20.160 --> 00:13:20.800 It's not gonna work. 00:13:20.800 --> 00:13:22.240 And you say, Well I'm not done yet. 00:13:22.560 --> 00:13:25.840 Come back on the seventh day and I'll be done with the 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:30.560 thing. The creative process involves a period of time where it's unfinished 00:13:30.640 --> 00:13:32.560 and then at the end it's finished. 00:13:32.560 --> 00:13:35.520 Personally, as a perfectionist, it's something that keeps me from doing a 00:13:35.520 --> 00:13:39.760 lot of things because I start and I am simultaneously my own 00:13:39.760 --> 00:13:42.320 critic and like that's crap, that's not good enough and so I 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.440 never get very far into anything because I destroy it before there 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.440 can be enough there for me to build on it. 00:13:47.760 --> 00:13:49.840 God doesn't have that problem. 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:54.080 When He built the thing, it was all internally consistent. 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.560 So that's a small point, but it's it's a crucial point for 00:13:56.560 --> 00:14:00.560 Christians. It's not necessarily going to convince you if you think that 00:14:00.560 --> 00:14:01.760 it's permissible to believe in 00:14:02.800 --> 00:14:05.680 old earth or something else. 00:14:05.680 --> 00:14:09.280 The things that we say next in these parts about theology are 00:14:09.280 --> 00:14:11.280 going to go directly at you. 00:14:11.280 --> 00:14:14.400 We're going to be dire very direct that if you believe in 00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:19.600 old earth, you are sinning, you're believing something contrary to scripture. 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:23.440 the six-day thing, like it's it's true and it's correct, but you're 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:25.520 not going to believe it until you believe this next part. 00:14:25.520 --> 00:14:30.080 So the crucial argument, the old The only argument, the only argument 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:37.440 that's necessary for any Christian to understand is that every theory, 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:42.000 every system of the universe, every system of life that is older 00:14:42.160 --> 00:14:45.840 than six thousand years, that's you know millions of years or billions 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:52.400 of years, any of those necessarily have death before death came into 00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:53.200 the world. 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.480 So we're gonna go first over the passages that make very clear 00:14:56.880 --> 00:15:01.040 that there was no death before Adam sinned, and therefore nothing could 00:15:01.040 --> 00:15:02.400 die before Adam sinned. 00:15:02.400 --> 00:15:06.960 Nothing. Not only people, but nothing in the universe could have died. 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:08.560 That was also a change. 00:15:08.560 --> 00:15:10.160 That was a change to the universe. 00:15:10.160 --> 00:15:14.080 It wasn't only a change to a man or to humanity. 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:17.200 All of creation fell with Adam. 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:21.040 Because Adam was the head of the world. 00:15:21.040 --> 00:15:23.120 God had put him in place. 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:26.240 God created the animals and then brought them to Adam, and he 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.640 named each of them, including Eve. 00:15:28.640 --> 00:15:32.080 That was an exercise of authority over all of creation. 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:34.320 God put Adam in charge. 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.920 So when Adam, the head, fell, all the stuff fell. 00:15:37.920 --> 00:15:38.800 Everything fell. 00:15:38.800 --> 00:15:40.000 The animals fell. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.280 There would not be death without Adam's sin. 00:15:43.280 --> 00:15:44.960 You and I die today. 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.280 Our animals die, our pets die. 00:15:47.280 --> 00:15:51.360 Death that's today such a natural part of our lives and of 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:52.320 the world 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.000 was introduced by Adamson. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.320 So to begin, just gonna read a a couple passages that use 00:16:00.640 --> 00:16:03.440 the word in Greek cosmos. 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.120 Same word, it's where we get the word. 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.040 And it means everything. 00:16:07.040 --> 00:16:12.960 It means it's more than simply limited to humankind or mankind. 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:16.560 The first passage is from Romans five. 00:16:16.560 --> 00:16:20.160 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man and 00:16:20.160 --> 00:16:24.000 death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.480 sinned. This is very clear. 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.560 Romans 5 is saying, death came into the world, into the cosmos 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.040 by Adam's sin. 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:34.400 That's reiterated 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:37.520 in John 1. 00:16:37.520 --> 00:16:40.800 The next day, John the Baptist saw Jesus coming toward him and 00:16:40.800 --> 00:16:44.480 said, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:45.920 the world. 00:16:45.920 --> 00:16:47.200 Same word here. 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.240 Sin of the world is the sin of the cosmos, Meaning all 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:51.520 the sin everywhere. 00:16:51.520 --> 00:16:54.160 Now, this these this in particular is a passage that some of 00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:58.960 the reformed must necessarily dispute if they believe in limited atonement, because 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:04.160 if you you you must necessarily limit world down to not only 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:08.720 humanity but to the elect, otherwise you have to reject that verse. 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.080 So these are some places where one of the reasons it's important 00:17:12.080 --> 00:17:16.160 to tackle this question is that when the six days of creation 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:17.040 are undermined. 00:17:17.040 --> 00:17:19.200 When you start messing with 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:24.560 the question of how God created things, it goes directly to the 00:17:24.560 --> 00:17:26.240 question of original sin. 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.080 And that is fundamentally what is attacked by a denial of the 00:17:30.080 --> 00:17:32.800 sixth natural twenty-four-hour day creation. 00:17:32.800 --> 00:17:37.040 It is fundamentally an attack on these passages, on the fact that 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:40.400 the whole universe fell when Adam sinned. 00:17:40.560 --> 00:17:43.840 And the last passage that make this abundantly clear using the word 00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:46.800 cosmos is Colossians one. 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:49.840 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all 00:17:49.840 --> 00:17:53.440 creation, for by him all things were created in heaven and on 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:58.640 earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, or rulers or authorities, 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:02.320 all things were created through him and for him, and he is 00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:06.160 before all things, and in him all things hold together, and he 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.320 is the head of the body, the church, he is the beginning, 00:18:08.320 --> 00:18:12.880 the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:16.240 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:20.480 and through him to reconcile himself to all things, whether on earth 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:25.520 or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. 00:18:25.520 --> 00:18:32.000 So when Colossians one says that Jesus reconciles himself to all things, 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.360 that's also talking about the cosmos, in earth or in heaven, the 00:18:35.360 --> 00:18:36.240 earth in heaven. 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:41.200 it's talking about all the stuff, all the universe, all of creation. 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:46.160 Jesus reconciliation on the cross is not limited to man. 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:49.760 Forget the elect, it's not simply limited to man, it's limited to 00:18:49.760 --> 00:18:55.280 nothing. God reconciles and makes peace by his blood on the cross 00:18:55.600 --> 00:18:57.360 all things. 00:18:57.360 --> 00:18:57.680 So 00:18:59.120 --> 00:19:02.800 this is the reason that this is such a crucial question for 00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:04.160 the Christian faith. 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:06.080 Because see, it's it's small fiddly point. 00:19:06.080 --> 00:19:08.880 If you want to just argue about six natural 20, four hour 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:10.320 days, okay, well, whatever. 00:19:10.320 --> 00:19:12.720 When you get to the fact that all the stuff we're going 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.200 to talk about in the latter part of the episode dealing with 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.760 the so called scientific evidence, all of it necessarily involves death existing 00:19:19.760 --> 00:19:23.120 before Adam sinned, which has to deny all this. 00:19:23.120 --> 00:19:26.400 It has to say that Adam's sin did not cause the universe 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.200 to fall. 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.280 There was no sin anywhere in the universe. 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:34.640 And incidentally, these passages also preclude the existence of life anywhere else. 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:39.600 There can only be salvation where this promise has been given. 00:19:39.600 --> 00:19:41.760 This is the only place where there's life because it's the only 00:19:41.760 --> 00:19:44.960 place where God delivered his salvation. 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:48.480 The existence of Adam as the head of 00:19:49.360 --> 00:19:54.320 this world necessitates that although the rest of the universe fell, there 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:59.680 can't be life elsewhere that would not have access to this information. 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:00.000 So 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.160 this is a it's a it's the root of the Christian faith. 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.760 If you get rid of of original sin, if you get rid 00:20:07.760 --> 00:20:11.600 of the fact that by whom all things were made through Christ 00:20:11.840 --> 00:20:16.240 is the same Christ through whom all things are reconciled, that's the 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:17.680 whole shooting match. 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.320 And see, it's this is one of those end runs that Satan 00:20:20.320 --> 00:20:21.280 loves to do. 00:20:21.280 --> 00:20:24.160 Satan doesn't go directly at stuff and say, Well, Jesus didn't die 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:25.040 for the whole world. 00:20:25.040 --> 00:20:28.000 He'll say, Oh, well, there's there was death before Adam. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.520 And then it unwinds everything. 00:20:29.520 --> 00:20:32.480 Because if you believe there was death before Adam, well then what 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:33.840 what did Jesus die for? 00:20:33.840 --> 00:20:38.720 Suddenly Jesus propitiating death on blood on the cross get gets very 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.080 limited. It gets narrowed down to to a sliver of the very 00:20:42.080 --> 00:20:46.400 creation that God Himself said he was redeeming, because it was only 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.960 through the death of the one through whom it was created that 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.160 that redemption would have been possible. 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.080 The other passage in Romans 8 that is perhaps the most clear 00:20:56.080 --> 00:21:00.240 on this point is one that doesn't use the word cosmos. 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.600 It uses a different Greek word that also means creation. 00:21:03.600 --> 00:21:08.880 Effectively it's it's related to the next ex nihilo creation creation of 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:14.560 everything. So again, that is vastly superseding the elect or even mankind 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:15.920 or even life. 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:17.440 It's all the stuff. 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.120 Everything that was created in the six days is what is being 00:21:21.120 --> 00:21:26.000 referred to here in this passage in Romans eight. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.280 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not 00:21:29.280 --> 00:21:32.640 worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us, 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.000 for the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:41.040 sons of God, for the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, 00:21:41.040 --> 00:21:44.560 but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation 00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:48.960 itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.600 the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:55.280 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in 00:21:55.280 --> 00:21:58.960 the pains of childbirth until now, and not only the creation, but 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:02.000 we ourselves, who have who have the first fruits of the Spirits, 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:06.080 groan inwardly as we wait we eagerly for the adoption as sons, 00:22:06.080 --> 00:22:07.840 the redemption of our bodies. 00:22:07.840 --> 00:22:09.680 For in this hope we are saved. 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.720 Now hope that is seen is not hope, for who hopes for 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:13.520 what he sees? 00:22:13.520 --> 00:22:16.080 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait 00:22:16.080 --> 00:22:18.000 for it with patience. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.320 So here in this passage in Romans eight, Paul, in God's words, 00:22:22.320 --> 00:22:27.600 is explicitly contrasting the whole world with we the believers. 00:22:27.600 --> 00:22:33.120 So again, there's just to hammer this point home, there is no 00:22:33.120 --> 00:22:39.360 possibility that all of creation did not fall with Adam's personal sin. 00:22:39.360 --> 00:22:42.560 The very same sin that you inherit, the very very same sin 00:22:42.560 --> 00:22:47.280 that causes you to yourself sin and to die. 00:22:47.280 --> 00:22:51.200 Adam's sin did that to everything. 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:55.200 And so as we get into the things that will address the 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.720 claims that, well, maybe the earth is millions of years old, and 00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:02.160 you know, it's it's okay to believe that because you know we're 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:04.800 we're not really sure because the you know the genre of Genesis 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:05.280 1 and 2. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.280 It could be anything. 00:23:07.280 --> 00:23:08.960 You don't have to read that literally. 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:13.840 If you do that, you necessarily deny the death entered the world 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:14.800 with Adam. 00:23:14.800 --> 00:23:16.720 And if you do that, you deny the faith. 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.640 Because if you deny original sin and you deny how God redeems 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:24.240 the universe, that's a denial of God. 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:29.840 So just by itself, the fact that original sin applies to the 00:23:29.840 --> 00:23:35.280 whole world as scripture attests, necessarily negates the possibility of any sort 00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:38.640 of theistic evolution, any sort of theistic evolution. 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:44.240 There's no possibility for any of the evolutionary macro scale processes that 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.800 we're all familiar with from school. 00:23:46.800 --> 00:23:48.960 They cannot exist without death. 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.040 So it's literally one or the other. 00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:54.800 Either death came into the world through Adam, as God says, or 00:23:55.360 --> 00:23:57.120 death has always just been a natural thing 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:02.800 and you know, eventually, you know, God made people or you know, 00:24:02.800 --> 00:24:04.560 somehow people came to be. 00:24:04.560 --> 00:24:06.320 And then we're off the races. 00:24:06.320 --> 00:24:09.600 Then we have the period of of human existence. 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:13.200 To believe the latter is to deny God and to not be 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:17.280 Christian. That there's a very clear dividing line there. 00:24:17.280 --> 00:24:20.880 And that's why that the lie that I mentioned earlier where guys 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.920 will say, oh well, the early church fathers debated over the six 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:25.680 days, the hexameron. 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.640 they'll say, well that you know, they weren't sure, you know, sometimes 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:31.280 said some said it was six twenty four hour days, somet said 00:24:31.360 --> 00:24:32.560 it was a different period of time. 00:24:32.560 --> 00:24:34.640 Yep. The ones who said it was a different period of time 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:35.840 said it was instant. 00:24:35.840 --> 00:24:39.920 They were they were debating inside of 168 hours how much shorter 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:40.720 might it have been. 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:45.840 Now, I believe they were wrong, but even if they got that 00:24:45.840 --> 00:24:48.800 right, it it doesn't matter because the very fact that there was 00:24:48.800 --> 00:24:50.560 a dispute in the historic church 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:56.720 never, ever, ever opened the door for someone to believe that the 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:01.440 earth or the universe is older than several thousand years old. 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:05.840 Now one thing that we mentioned in the episode six on the 00:25:05.840 --> 00:25:10.240 perspecuity of scripture is that yeah, the most obvious thing is when 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:14.560 we take measurements of things, obviously, you know, if if a if 00:25:15.360 --> 00:25:19.600 you believe what Christians have believed throughout history, the earth is about 00:25:19.600 --> 00:25:22.400 six thousand years, you know, maybe seven, it's somewhere in there. 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.880 It's thousands of years old, certainly less than ten. 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.760 Corey and I believe six, but if you want to be off 00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:29.840 by a thousand years, that's fine. 00:25:29.840 --> 00:25:34.000 That's fundamentally a question of some of the variations in the genealogies 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.200 of scripture, which is how we calculate those dates. 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:42.160 The difference is that if you go back further than that, you 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.440 can't believe anything that's in the Bible. 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.840 And yet, if say say that say everything's inside 10,000 years, well, 00:25:49.840 --> 00:25:53.520 that would mean that if there's any light coming to Earth from 00:25:53.520 --> 00:25:57.840 any system more than ten thousand light years away, it can't exist. 00:25:57.840 --> 00:26:00.400 It would mean that the furthest away that we could see anything 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.360 would be six thousand light years or seven thousand. 00:26:03.360 --> 00:26:06.880 Nothing could be, you know, billions of light years away. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.640 It that's impossible. 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.240 That's absolutely true. 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:15.280 If when God created the universe in the six days, he booted 00:26:15.280 --> 00:26:17.040 it up from scratch. 00:26:17.040 --> 00:26:20.000 And so the argument that we make in in episode six is 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.840 that that's not at all the case. 00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:26.160 Just as Adam was created as a full grown sexually mature man 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.680 with an age, Cory and I believe that he was seventy. 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:31.760 Because if Adam was created as a seventy year old, that would 00:26:31.760 --> 00:26:33.120 make him an elder. 00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:37.040 It would mean that when he died at 930 years, he was 00:26:37.040 --> 00:26:38.960 effectively a one thousand-year-old man. 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.880 It would make him the oldest man ever. 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.920 It would make him living a thousand years, which is a perfectly 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:48.080 round scriptural number, it would have made him an elder over creation, 00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:51.920 which would have incidentally been necessary for him to have the very 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.800 headship over creation that God had ordained. 00:26:54.800 --> 00:26:57.120 So if we're wrong about that, no big deal. 00:26:57.120 --> 00:26:57.440 But 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:00.800 Adam was created with an age. 00:27:00.800 --> 00:27:02.080 He was an he was an adult. 00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:02.880 He wasn't a child. 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:03.600 He wasn't a baby. 00:27:03.600 --> 00:27:05.840 He wasn't an infant or a zygote. 00:27:05.840 --> 00:27:07.280 He had an age. 00:27:07.280 --> 00:27:09.040 The universe also has an age. 00:27:09.040 --> 00:27:11.520 And it didn't match because it didn't need to match, because God 00:27:11.520 --> 00:27:14.320 had not yet established the order of everything. 00:27:14.320 --> 00:27:19.280 You know, the things that we observe today as constants, as scientific 00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:23.040 universal constants, those are God's variables. 00:27:23.040 --> 00:27:25.440 They're whatever He set them to be. 00:27:26.800 --> 00:27:30.080 The comparison that came to mind when I was thinking about preparing 00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:31.200 for the show was 00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:35.440 when I was in school, there a game came out from, you 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:40.240 know, everybody knows Sene Halo from Bungie before Microsoft acquired them. 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.720 Bungie's first game was Marathon. 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.520 And one of the amazing things about Marathon, it was around the 00:27:45.520 --> 00:27:46.400 same time as Doom. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:48.000 It was a little bit newer than Doom. 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.080 It was much more advanced in a lot of ways. 00:27:50.080 --> 00:27:53.680 One of the amazing things about playing Marathon, a first-person shooter, was 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:58.880 that they m Bungie shipped the same map editors that they themselves 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.920 used to make the game, which meant that anyone could make their 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.400 own maps. 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.480 And so people had a lot of fun playing with them. 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.960 And one of the things that really kind of expanded my mind 00:28:07.040 --> 00:28:11.040 just from messing with that was in the level editor, you could 00:28:11.040 --> 00:28:12.480 mess with constants. 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.120 So every level had a constant for gravity. 00:28:15.120 --> 00:28:18.000 And one of the most entertaining levels was when was when guys 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.200 would change gravity. 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.840 They would, you know, they would reduce it by 90%. 00:28:21.840 --> 00:28:25.280 So you could suddenly jump huge distances. 00:28:25.280 --> 00:28:29.680 Because gravity, the gravitational constant, there's just a variable in the table 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.040 for the level editor. 00:28:31.040 --> 00:28:33.280 God did the same thing with the universe. 00:28:33.280 --> 00:28:37.440 He set these numbers seemingly in stone, but he ordained them. 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:38.160 He set them. 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.440 And so we're stuck with them. 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:41.360 Like we we don't have the level at her. 00:28:41.360 --> 00:28:43.360 We can't mess with creation. 00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:47.600 But the point is that when God ordained those things that to 00:28:47.600 --> 00:28:51.200 us seem like constants, they're only constants because he liked them. 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:52.000 We don't know why. 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.600 He just he picked them and they work. 00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:57.120 And everything in the universe works because of them, because of how 00:28:57.120 --> 00:29:01.520 precisely tuned they are to the world that God created. 00:29:01.520 --> 00:29:04.400 If the numbers were different, we can tell in simulations that everything 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.680 would go flying apart. 00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:09.520 So it's all a perfectly balanced system from our perspective. 00:29:09.520 --> 00:29:13.120 The important thing is that God set what he wanted. 00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:16.720 And so is the earth six thousand years old? 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.280 Yes. Is the earth four and a half billion years old? 00:29:19.280 --> 00:29:23.440 Yes. God created a four and a half billion year old Earth 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.040 six thousand years ago. 00:29:25.040 --> 00:29:28.960 He created a thirteen point eight billion year old universe six thousand 00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:30.320 years ago, give or take. 00:29:30.320 --> 00:29:34.560 Again, not sticking to the six thousand number, but the creation of 00:29:34.560 --> 00:29:38.880 an old universe and an old earth is entirely consistent with the 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.400 belief of a God who can create everything from nothing simply by 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.120 speaking. So that is an article of faith, but it's no stretch. 00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:50.640 If you if if you can't believe that, then you certainly can't 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.280 believe any of the miracles in the Bible. 00:29:53.280 --> 00:29:56.560 And so the the crucial point that I want the the Christians 00:29:56.560 --> 00:30:00.000 in the audience to take home from this is that when we 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.040 look at the evidence, when we talk about the scientific stuff for 00:30:03.040 --> 00:30:05.600 the rest of this, it's not to bolster our faith. 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:08.160 It's not to justify what we already believe. 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.880 It is that we have confidence in our faith that when God, 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.080 who created the universe, says these things, we just believe them. 00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:18.560 And then, as we understand creation better, as Christians have always done 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.760 for thousands of years, discovery of God's creation, as God testifies in 00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:26.960 Job, testifies to God. 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:31.520 God uses creation to testify to us about his own glory. 00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:34.800 So when we look at these things and we see how magnificently, 00:30:34.800 --> 00:30:39.200 incomprehensibly huge the world is, that testifies that God's glory. 00:30:39.840 --> 00:30:42.000 That doesn't make us small and insignificant. 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.440 It makes God huge. 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:47.280 The fact that the scale makes us seem small doesn't diminish the 00:30:47.280 --> 00:30:48.800 importance of humanity. 00:30:48.800 --> 00:30:52.720 It shows that of all the things in creation that testify to 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.000 God's glory, he came as a man. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.440 We were made in his image, and then he came as one 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.440 of us to redeem us and all things because of Adam's sin. 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.800 So there's no it's either you believe the Bible or you believe 00:31:07.040 --> 00:31:08.000 Bill Mai. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.480 And unfortunately, we have a lot of people in the church today 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.960 who want to believe Bill Nye and stay in the church. 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:13.920 And it's like 00:31:15.040 --> 00:31:16.000 what do you say? 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.880 Like there's there are two different approaches to this. 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.120 And for peop people who are in the middle, I hope you 00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:22.960 take that contrast seriously. 00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:27.920 the I love science atheists, the Reddit atheists, they will believe any 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:28.800 sort of absurdity. 00:31:28.800 --> 00:31:32.160 The same people who are adamant that we are stupid, that we're 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.040 rubs for thinking that the Earth is six thousand years old. 00:31:35.040 --> 00:31:38.320 Also today think we're rubes for thinking that a man is a 00:31:38.320 --> 00:31:40.560 man and a woman is a woman. 00:31:40.560 --> 00:31:45.840 Like this the the idol of science, the false god of science, 00:31:45.840 --> 00:31:50.000 that is in fact no science at all, because scantia means truth, 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:54.400 knowledge. The absence of truth and knowledge it means that there's nothing 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.800 related to to science That's just it's a false religion. 00:31:58.800 --> 00:32:02.800 And so just as the church has been used as a cloak 00:32:02.800 --> 00:32:07.280 for a false religion that's Jesus flavored, the pursuit of knowledge of 00:32:07.280 --> 00:32:11.120 creation is a cloak that's being used by these atheists to to 00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:16.000 be a a a cloaking device for them to twist the creation 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.720 that was intended by God to testify to his glory. 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.720 They try to use it to testify to 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:21.120 uh 00:32:21.520 --> 00:32:21.680 I 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.320 don't know what, to to the absence of God. 00:32:24.320 --> 00:32:26.800 Which if facially is absurd. 00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:29.600 And so that's gonna be the rest of this episode. 00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:29.840 You 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:34.960 mentioned Bill Nye and I always find him particularly amusing because inevitably 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:40.880 the I love science crowd are credentialist in their leanings, and Bill 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.760 Nye is a mechanical engineer, and they take his word as a 00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:49.680 sort of gospel on things about which he has no formal training 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:54.160 whatsoever, so it's just a little bit of hypocrisy from that crowd, 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.640 not surprising. 00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:04.080 But before we dive into the science property I'll take the opportunity 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.400 to critique the simulation theory because you mentioned that if we change 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:13.360 the constants in a simulation of whatever body it happens to be, 00:33:13.360 --> 00:33:15.360 things don't work so well. 00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:19.600 The fundamental problem with simulation theory, and I've mentioned this elsewhere, is 00:33:19.600 --> 00:33:26.400 that any evidence for us existing in a simulation is simultaneously evidence 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.440 for a creator. 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:34.160 And Ockham's razor or however you prefer to phrase it, it is 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.520 more reasonable to conclude there is a creator than that there is 00:33:37.520 --> 00:33:38.800 a simulation. 00:33:38.800 --> 00:33:42.960 So it is actually impossible to prove simulation theory because any evidence 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:51.440 for it is simply proving a creator even more strongly. 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:55.920 But at the outset of this segment, the balance of this podcast 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:01.600 episode, there are five questions I want to highlight that are relevant 00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:05.600 here. These are questions that science simply cannot answer, and we're using 00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:10.320 science, of course, here in the lowercase sense, as it were, the 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.880 minor sense, the modern sense, not the proper Latin sense of the 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.520 term, which as mentioned is just knowledge. 00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:20.480 And it is fair also to say that is truth, because what 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:21.200 is knowledge? 00:34:21.200 --> 00:34:25.280 It is true warranted belief, to use the philosophical definition. 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:26.800 So the five questions 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:32.000 First, why is there anything instead of nothing? 00:34:33.120 --> 00:34:34.800 Science has no answer for this. 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.200 Science has no way of answering this. 00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:45.440 Second, why do immaterial things exist and not just material? 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:51.200 Or phrased another way, why is there immaterial, not just material? 00:34:51.200 --> 00:34:55.680 We'll get into that the distinction there, why that matters. 00:34:55.680 --> 00:35:01.360 Third, why is there life instead of just matter? 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.760 Science has no answer to bridge the gap from non living matter 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.640 to living matter to life. 00:35:08.640 --> 00:35:13.120 This is a biogenesis, life arising from non-life. 00:35:13.120 --> 00:35:17.200 This is one of the things for which the I Love Science 00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:22.400 Crowd and others will often ridicule our medieval ancestors, because they believed 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.720 in abiogenesis of a certain kind. 00:35:24.720 --> 00:35:28.560 They thought, for instance, if you left meat out, it spawned maggots. 00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:30.640 Which is more or less true from their perspective. 00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:32.480 They observed it, that's what happened. 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.360 They did not have a vacuum chamber, they couldn't isolate the meat 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.920 to prove that no you actually need a fly to come and 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.880 lay eggs on the thing, and then it produces maggots. 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:41.520 They didn't know that. 00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:44.720 They had no way to test that. 00:35:44.720 --> 00:35:50.720 But modern theories of evolution rely on abiogenesis. 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.320 very thing they mock. 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.320 And you can get them with this, incidentally. 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:58.560 You can start to describe a biogenesis and they'll laugh along with 00:35:58.560 --> 00:36:00.880 you, they'll think it's ridiculous, but then you point out that no, 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.320 I'm talking about the very basis of the Neo Darwinian evolution you 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.480 believe. They turn bright red, it's good fun to watch. 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.120 Fourth, why is there intelligent life? 00:36:11.120 --> 00:36:14.880 Because there is a fundamental distinction between something that is merely alive 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:19.360 and something that is intelligent, something that has that inner life to 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.120 a certain degree. 00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:24.640 And I say a certain degree because I distinguish between them in 00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:28.240 the next question, but there is a difference between broccoli and a 00:36:28.240 --> 00:36:33.920 cat. A cat is intelligent life, broccoli is not. 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:39.520 How do you explain that within the framework of science? 00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:44.640 And then fifth, why is there sapient, which is to say human, 00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:47.120 self aware, life? 00:36:47.120 --> 00:36:49.760 This is really two questions in one. 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.480 There's the easy problem of consciousness and the hard problem of consciousness. 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:59.360 The easy problem is the mechanics of cognition. 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:00.800 Objective experience. 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:08.400 How do you explain the mechanic of human cognition, of self-awareness. 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.480 How do you explain these systems? 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.480 And then there's the hard problem of consciousness, which is the metaphysics 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:15.360 of cognition. 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.760 How do you explain subjective experience? 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.280 Qualia, which is the personal subjective experience of 00:37:22.240 --> 00:37:27.040 something. A quale is the singular is a quality or property as 00:37:27.040 --> 00:37:30.640 perceived or experienced by a person. 00:37:30.640 --> 00:37:35.760 And so these are the questions that it's important to contemplate when 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:42.080 dealing with science's supposed explanations for everything. 00:37:42.080 --> 00:37:44.640 We won't go into each one of these in detail in this 00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:48.720 episode, but we will investigate at least two of them in a 00:37:48.720 --> 00:37:53.280 fair degree of detail. 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:58.000 And so to start off, I want to start with a major 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:04.560 problem for Neo-Darwinian evolution, I'm going to use NDE or Neo-Darwinian evolution, 00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:07.360 because that's really a description of the modern 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.720 version of evolution that is believed in the academy and the sciences. 00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:16.000 You could also call it the modern synthesis, there's technically a small 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:21.520 distinction there, but I'll probably use them interchangeably because they effectively are. 00:38:21.520 --> 00:38:25.120 But the issue is irreducible complexity. 00:38:25.120 --> 00:38:26.960 And irreducible complexity is 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.560 how we describe a system 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:36.320 that is complex in a way where if you remove any particular 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.520 part of the system, it no longer functions, or at least no 00:38:39.520 --> 00:38:44.560 longer functions at a level that makes the system useful. 00:38:44.560 --> 00:38:46.640 And there are many systems like this. 00:38:46.640 --> 00:38:49.600 There are many of them in your body, there are many of 00:38:49.600 --> 00:38:51.760 them out in nature. 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:56.320 In these systems, any particular part of the system can be removed 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.640 to make the system no longer function. 00:38:58.640 --> 00:39:02.640 And the problem with that is that if you believe the evolutionary 00:39:02.640 --> 00:39:08.160 explanation for these things, then all of these components have to evolve 00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:11.440 simultaneously and synchronously. 00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:16.240 Because if one appears before another, they don't interoperate, they don't work 00:39:16.240 --> 00:39:19.200 together. Yes, in some cases, 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:24.800 there are subparts of a system that may be useful in and 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.880 of themselves, separate from the system itself. 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:33.600 And for those, you don't need to deal with this irreducible complexity 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.920 for that part of the system. 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.440 For the rest of the system, you still do, but there are 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.400 also systems where the subparts are not useful at least not in 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:49.200 isolation, and so they are only useful in the system itself, and 00:39:49.200 --> 00:39:51.920 there are many of these in the body. 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:58.240 In those systems there is no evolutionary way to explain the evolution 00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:00.080 of any particular subpart 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:07.760 without having to explain the entirety of the system evolving at once. 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:08.320 Now 00:40:10.080 --> 00:40:14.160 I've said that there's such thing as an irreducibly complex system. 00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:18.240 You'll see this all over a certain kind of literature, and you 00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:20.720 will see this also incidentally from evolutionists. 00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:23.200 They admit that this is a problem, to some degree. 00:40:23.200 --> 00:40:27.680 They try to dismiss it, but if you read their actual journals, 00:40:27.680 --> 00:40:31.920 the academic ones, they will admit there are problems here. 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.320 But a fundamental point I want to make is that there is 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.960 no such thing as a simple system. 00:40:37.200 --> 00:40:38.960 No system is simple. 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.440 All systems are irreducibly complex. 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.200 This is tautological. 00:40:43.200 --> 00:40:49.520 A system is an irreducibly complex set of things that interact in 00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:50.640 a particular way. 00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:57.280 Now a given system may have ancillary or additional parts of the 00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.560 system that you can remove and the system will still function, but 00:41:00.560 --> 00:41:03.840 it is that core that is irreducibly complex. 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.320 That is the core of the system. 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.840 The other parts may be helpful, but if you can remove them, 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.640 they are not part of the irreducible complexity 00:41:16.560 --> 00:41:22.640 For example, some of the systems in your body that are irreducibly 00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:26.080 complex. We'll go over two of them t just sort of in 00:41:26.080 --> 00:41:27.280 a cursory fashion. 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.320 We're not going to go into all of the chemistry for this. 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:31.760 There's no reason to do that here. 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.600 If you are interested, it's very easy to find papers or a 00:41:35.600 --> 00:41:39.040 YouTube video or what have you on these subjects. 00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:45.680 But But vision, your visual system, is irreducibly complex. 00:41:45.680 --> 00:41:49.200 There are parts of your visual system that if you take them 00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:52.560 in isolation, they have no value. 00:41:52.560 --> 00:41:57.920 If you remove really any particular part of the complex system that 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.760 results in you being able to see, you are no longer able 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.040 to see. 00:42:03.040 --> 00:42:07.520 Yes, there are certain parts that you can impair and still see. 00:42:07.520 --> 00:42:10.800 Of course, some of you listening may be wearing glasses. 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:14.400 You can still see, with or without the glasses. 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.840 Without the glasses your vision is impaired in some way, otherwise you 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:19.680 wouldn't need the glasses. 00:42:19.680 --> 00:42:20.640 But that isn't a removal 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.200 of part of this complex system, it is an impairment, and as 00:42:25.200 --> 00:42:28.560 you can see, it causes problems. 00:42:28.560 --> 00:42:33.920 But the visual system for human beings, for mammals more generally, but 00:42:34.080 --> 00:42:38.640 phototransduction, which is just a fancy way of saying taking the light 00:42:38.640 --> 00:42:43.200 that is outside, external to you, strikes your eye, and translating it 00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:45.360 into a signal in the brain so that you can see. 00:42:45.600 --> 00:42:47.440 Translating into a picture. 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.040 Phototransduction has about twelve steps. 00:42:51.040 --> 00:42:55.120 These are complicated chemical processes. 00:42:55.120 --> 00:42:56.240 This is biochemistry. 00:42:56.240 --> 00:42:59.920 I said I won't go over the specifics, there's no need here. 00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:02.960 But that's just to transmit 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:08.080 the fact that a single photon hit one of the receptive cells 00:43:08.080 --> 00:43:12.960 in your eye into your brain via the optical nerve to paint 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.640 that tiny part of a picture of the outside world, and this 00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:20.240 happens on the order of single or double digit depending on the 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:23.600 cells involved, millisecond resolution. 00:43:23.600 --> 00:43:27.760 And this happens millions of times every single day. 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:35.360 This happens across the many receptive cells in your eye constantly. 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:42.560 This system is incomprehensibly complex and delicate, and it has to have 00:43:42.560 --> 00:43:47.840 all evolved simultaneously and synchronously in order for it to make any 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:53.840 sense. Now, some, particularly Richard Dawkins comes to mind, have attempted to 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.720 raise the argument that there are precursor systems to the mammalian eye, 00:43:58.720 --> 00:44:02.480 and therefore we can explain that we went from this to this 00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:05.200 to this and eventually got to the human eye. 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:09.280 The problem is, if you look at the biochemistry, and this is 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.680 a little game they play, I'll go over this in more detail 00:44:11.680 --> 00:44:12.560 in a minute. 00:44:12.560 --> 00:44:18.160 But if you look at the biochemistry These simpler systems, supposedly simpler 00:44:18.160 --> 00:44:22.000 systems, they are in a sense simpler, but in a sense not, 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.360 because the idea that single cells are simple is archaic and wrong. 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:32.640 Single cells are not simple, they are highly complex. 00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:39.360 But this idea that these supposed precursors are simple breaks down biochemically, 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:44.160 and it breaks down biochemically because they are not a biochemical precursor. 00:44:44.160 --> 00:44:46.000 And this is the issue. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.800 There are three systems for any given function that have to develop 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.000 simultaneously and synchronously. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.560 Because it's not just one overarching system. 00:44:58.560 --> 00:45:00.960 So for instance, let's stay with the eye. 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.120 There's the mechanical, which is of course the muscles that move the 00:45:05.120 --> 00:45:09.600 eye, the cells that comprise the eye, the lens that shields the 00:45:09.600 --> 00:45:13.200 eye, etcetera, there are many systems here. 00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:17.280 So that's the mechanical part of the overall system. 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.040 There is the chemical. 00:45:19.040 --> 00:45:20.000 All of these 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:26.880 various chemicals that are transmitting information from one step to the next, 00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:33.600 translating it from a photon eventually into voltage gated by calcium that 00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:38.080 that transmits along the optic nerve into the brain. 00:45:38.080 --> 00:45:40.560 And then there are neurotransmitters involved. 00:45:40.560 --> 00:45:42.480 Th that's the chemical system. 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:44.800 And then there is the neural system. 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:48.240 The brain has to be able to interpret these signals. 00:45:48.240 --> 00:45:50.160 And the same thing is true of any other part of your 00:45:50.160 --> 00:45:51.040 body, your hand. 00:45:51.040 --> 00:45:53.760 You have fingers and a thumb, you have the nerves and the 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.200 tendons, you have the chemicals that actuate the muscles, and you have 00:45:57.200 --> 00:45:59.440 the part of your brain that controls these things that receives the 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.720 signals and sends them back. 00:46:02.720 --> 00:46:08.800 These three systems have to develop together because no single system is 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.040 of any use in isolation. 00:46:11.040 --> 00:46:16.720 If you have this sea of chemicals, but no surface with which 00:46:16.720 --> 00:46:21.600 they can interact, no mechanics, no machinery they can operate, they're useless. 00:46:21.600 --> 00:46:26.160 If you have the machinery and the chemicals, but no receptors in 00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:27.920 the brain to actually deal with them. 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.680 The systems are utterly useless, in fact they are detrimental, because they 00:46:31.680 --> 00:46:35.040 incur an immense energy cost. 00:46:35.040 --> 00:46:38.880 These must develop simultaneously. 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:44.880 It is incomprehensibly unlikely to the point of being mathematically impossible that 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:45.520 this could happen. 00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:48.160 We'll get into the numbers a little later. 00:46:48.160 --> 00:46:50.960 But this is just for the vision system or for the hand 00:46:51.040 --> 00:46:53.600 as I mentioned, and this is true of so many different systems 00:46:53.600 --> 00:46:55.440 in your body. 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.040 Blood clotting is another one. 00:46:59.040 --> 00:47:03.680 Blood clotting is an excellent example because blood clotting again 00:47:04.720 --> 00:47:09.040 seems like something that could be simple, but then you start to 00:47:09.040 --> 00:47:10.080 read about it. 00:47:10.080 --> 00:47:12.400 It is extremely complex. 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:21.760 Blood clotting is a cascade of chemical reactions that have to fire 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:26.320 perfectly. And the reason they have to fire perfectly, now bear in 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:30.000 mind when I say perfectly, I'm not saying absolutely perfectly. 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.520 There's a different thing here. 00:47:31.520 --> 00:47:34.000 I'm saying they cannot misfire. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:39.360 Because if blood clotting misfires, there are a handful of options. 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:44.800 If you cut yourself and your coagulation system doesn't fire properly, maybe 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.400 it doesn't clot and you bleed out, and you die. 00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:54.160 Or it triggers randomly, somewhere in your body, forms a clot, causes 00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:58.320 you a stroke, heart attack, what have you, you die. 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.800 And so this system not only has to be able to trigger 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:07.280 at the right time, in the right place, for the right period 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.720 of time, and then shut down, it has to not accidentally trigger 00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:16.240 anywhere else in the body at the wrong time. 00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:22.000 Now, instead of going through the cascade of how blood clotting actually 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.160 occurs, and there are actually two paths that 00:48:25.120 --> 00:48:26.800 trigger in a different way. 00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.360 There's some important reasons for that. 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.160 There's still some research as to why exactly that is the case. 00:48:32.160 --> 00:48:35.680 But I want to read through just some of the factors, some 00:48:35.680 --> 00:48:41.360 of the chemical substances that are involved in blood clotting. 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:45.040 Just to give you a sort of idea of how complex the 00:48:45.040 --> 00:48:46.560 system is. 00:48:46.560 --> 00:48:53.680 There's factor one, fibrinogen, factor two, prothrombin, factor three, tissue factor, 00:48:53.680 --> 00:49:00.480 factor four, the calcium ion, factor five, proacelarin, factor six, factor seven, 00:49:00.560 --> 00:49:07.600 Proconvertin Factor eight Antihemophilic Factor A Factor nine Antihemophilic Factor 00:49:07.600 --> 00:49:14.720 B, Factor ten, Stuart Prower factor, eleven, plasma thromboplastin antecedent, factor 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:20.400 twelve, the Hagaman factor, factor thirteen, fibrin stabilizing factor, then there's the 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:27.520 von Willibrand factor, precalocrine, calicrine, high molecular weight kinogen, fibronectin, anti 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:34.080 thrombin three, Heparin COFACTOI, Protein C, Protein S, Protein Z, Protein Z 00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:41.360 related Protease Inhibitor, Plasminogen, Alpha II antiplasmin, Alpha II macroglobulin, tissue 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:48.560 plasminogen activator, urokinase, plasminogen activator inhibitor one, plasminogen activator inhibitor 00:49:48.560 --> 00:49:51.600 two. And these all interact 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.760 in a delicate dance that if it goes wrong, you die. 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:03.520 And somehow we are supposed to believe that this evolved by chance. 00:50:03.520 --> 00:50:04.800 And I think this is a good point 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:10.880 to highlight exactly what the evolutionists claim. 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.000 Because they will up one side and down the other, in many 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:18.000 cases, say they do not believe in random chance, but they do 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.800 and here's why. 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:26.160 They will highlight the natural selection part of their doctrine, of their 00:50:26.160 --> 00:50:31.120 theory. What they will try to downplay for the common man when 00:50:31.120 --> 00:50:35.280 they are speaking to the laity as it were, is the random 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:42.240 chance part because the issue is against what is natural selection acting? 00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:48.800 It's acting against mutations that arise randomly. 00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:52.960 And so all of this relies on random chance, and that's important 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.520 when we get to the math in a little bit. 00:50:55.520 --> 00:50:58.560 I know we started with science and we'll get to math. 00:50:58.560 --> 00:51:02.720 It couldn't be more terrible, but it's important to have sort of 00:51:02.720 --> 00:51:07.440 a general understanding of some of this and why neo-Darwinian evolution is 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.440 so utterly ridiculous. 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:16.640 If you are relying entirely on random chance to produce the material 00:51:16.640 --> 00:51:22.480 against which natural selection can act, then the math becomes very important. 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.640 Another example, not a human example, although I guess it is to 00:51:28.640 --> 00:51:32.000 some degree because you have them living in you, creatures that have 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.600 them, the cilia that bacteria, or flagella in that case, use to 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.800 propel themselves around. 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.600 We'll link to something on that, I won't go over it. 00:51:43.600 --> 00:51:48.480 It's another case of an extremely complex system that interacts to the 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:53.040 point where you cannot have any particular part of it arise by 00:51:53.040 --> 00:51:55.520 itself because it would actually be harmful. 00:51:55.520 --> 00:51:59.680 If parts of that particular system arose independently of the system they 00:51:59.680 --> 00:52:01.600 would actually tear the cell apart. 00:52:01.600 --> 00:52:08.000 Which could hardly be said to be reproductively beneficial. 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:08.560 I 00:52:08.560 --> 00:52:13.120 think as folks are processing this episode, the the science stuff, keep 00:52:13.120 --> 00:52:16.000 in mind the recent episodes we did on the big lie and 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.640 on conspiracy theories, because the principles that we demonstrated in the first 00:52:20.640 --> 00:52:24.720 one and then outlined in the second one are a play here. 00:52:24.720 --> 00:52:27.520 In the conspiracy theory episode we talked a lot about the moon 00:52:27.520 --> 00:52:30.640 landing. And so some of the examples that Corey's given and some 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:32.720 more he's gonna give are 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.440 similar in the sense that they're pot shots at 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.560 the facts that are claimed by the other side, just as the 00:52:42.560 --> 00:52:46.000 ones that Owen Owen Benjamin uses for, well, how did they make 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:47.360 a phone call from the moon? 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.240 And what about the Van Allen belts? 00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:52.960 The distinction that we made there that I want you to keep 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.000 You to keep in mind as you're listening to these things is 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:56.320 that 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.400 one, there was a very easy answer to both of those. 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:02.320 It was a solvable problem. 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:03.920 It was not a tricky problem. 00:53:04.240 --> 00:53:08.640 it's always easy to ask a question, but Those are questions that 00:53:08.640 --> 00:53:11.760 in the case of the moon landing, the NASA guys figured it 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:17.040 out. They solve that problem as part of the system. 00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:20.320 So when Benjamin takes his pot shots at the moon landing, it's 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:21.760 fundamentally disingenuous. 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.520 These are also pot shots in the sense that they're easy. 00:53:25.520 --> 00:53:29.440 The difference is that just as in the episode on The Big 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.280 Lie of the 20th century, if these If these things are not 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:36.320 true, then the whole thing falls apart. 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.840 So they're not pot shots in the sense that they're cheap shots, 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.120 that they're they're fake. 00:53:41.120 --> 00:53:45.600 It's that they're easy because they're there's gimme. 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:46.400 If 00:53:47.680 --> 00:53:52.720 the complexity of these systems is to be believed, they never could 00:53:52.720 --> 00:53:55.840 have evolved in place as we're told they evolved. 00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:01.120 So it's it's an internally inconsistent claim that falls apart when you 00:54:01.120 --> 00:54:05.680 actually examine it, you don't need to they're the ones who are 00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:08.400 effectively resorting to to faith. 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.880 They're saying, well, then a miracle occurred. 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:13.600 And they won't call it a miracle, obviously, because their whole reason 00:54:13.600 --> 00:54:17.200 for going down this path of not glorifying God by what they 00:54:17.200 --> 00:54:22.800 look at, their purpose in their scientific inquiry is denying God. 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:26.480 We'll say given that there is no God, how then do we 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.080 explain this system? 00:54:28.080 --> 00:54:32.960 As Corey's laying out, you can't you can't explain an eyeball or 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:39.200 cilia if you cannot account for God creating it, in place as 00:54:39.200 --> 00:54:41.200 a whole functional thing. 00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:42.400 Just like Adam. 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:44.320 Adam was an entire man. 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.360 Had all his parts in all the right places, had forty six 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.080 chromosomes, all the stuff was there It wasn't finished until God said 00:54:52.080 --> 00:54:52.960 it was very good. 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.520 But as God made the things, they were done. 00:54:55.520 --> 00:54:58.960 And they were conceived in God's mind. 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.960 I guess that's how scripture says it. 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.000 So we can say that. 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:02.960 God doesn't have a mind. 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.800 I mean, it's it's another one of those irreducibility problems, except it's 00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:07.920 the infinite one. 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.560 You really don't want people messing with that because when you try 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.880 to introspect how God works as though he's an amoeba, you're gonna 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.920 become a very splendid heretic. 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.520 But even just looking at the smallest things, the arguments fall apart. 00:55:21.520 --> 00:55:24.000 So part of the reason we did this episode after the big 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.600 lie and conspiracy theories is that here's an example of when you 00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:33.680 apply Proper scrutiny to the fundamentals of the claims, the claims fall 00:55:33.680 --> 00:55:38.880 apart. And that's the distinction between somebody like Benjamin saying, well, that 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.520 can't have happened because of X, Y, and Z, and us saying, 00:55:41.600 --> 00:55:44.240 well, that can't have happened because of X, Y, and Z. 00:55:44.240 --> 00:55:47.680 The X, Y, and Z, if you're not thinking about it, will 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.760 seem like it's, you know, just it's pot shots. 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.160 It's just, well, you said this and they said that, and so 00:55:52.160 --> 00:55:54.720 what can be true? 00:55:54.720 --> 00:55:59.760 If you can clearly demonstrate that the claim itself is falsifiable, then 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.720 you're left with the rest of it. 00:56:02.720 --> 00:56:06.160 And in a case of these things like these evolutionary processes so 00:56:06.160 --> 00:56:09.120 called, literally nothing is possible. 00:56:09.120 --> 00:56:12.800 If you believe what they are saying about how these things came 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.760 about and you look at what we have, they couldn't have come 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.400 about. So these questions are the important questions for I hate to 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.120 use the word debunking, but that's really what it is. 00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:28.560 For debunking the claims of evolutionists and the claims of those who 00:56:28.560 --> 00:56:33.440 say that, well, you know, and particularly theistic evolutions, who say maybe 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.640 that maybe they'll they'll put Adam on the sixth day where it 00:56:36.640 --> 00:56:39.760 ceases to be metaphorical, but then you have this long period of 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.200 p time before that where other stuff was happening and then God 00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:48.400 kind of congealed mankind at the last minute and then landed it 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:49.680 and then it became real. 00:56:49.680 --> 00:56:52.160 But before that we had amoeba and we had evolution and all 00:56:52.160 --> 00:56:52.880 this stuff. 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.040 Even if you ignore the death part from the scripture intro, the 00:56:57.040 --> 00:56:58.240 math still doesn't work. 00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:01.600 The f the physics and the chemistry still doesn't work. 00:57:01.600 --> 00:57:07.200 The biology itself is literally impossible in their own system. 00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:10.720 So I just wanted to point out that those episodes previously dealing 00:57:10.720 --> 00:57:14.640 with weighing evidence are they're a crucial part of just being good 00:57:14.640 --> 00:57:15.520 at thinking. 00:57:15.520 --> 00:57:18.880 Like one of the overarching themes of Stone Choir, apart from the 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.560 theology stuff, is we hope that anyone who's listening will get better 00:57:22.560 --> 00:57:23.520 at thinking. 00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.240 Because you don't have to be smart to be careful. 00:57:26.240 --> 00:57:29.120 You don't have to be smart to do a good job and 00:57:29.120 --> 00:57:30.880 not being hoodwinked. 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.600 You know, Cory, like I said, Cory knows a whole lot more 00:57:33.600 --> 00:57:34.960 about the science than I do. 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:38.160 He could probably trick me, but I at least know enough that 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:40.880 he would have to be doing a really good job. 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:44.320 And so whether it's him or it's someone else, you know, there 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.120 was there was a post that came up a couple months ago 00:57:47.120 --> 00:57:54.320 on Reddit where someone was making an anonymous claim about biological aliens. 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:56.080 And I read it and it checked out. 00:57:56.080 --> 00:58:01.040 It's consistent with my beliefs about so-called aliens, that they're demonic, that 00:58:01.040 --> 00:58:08.400 they're real physical manifestations using created material for for evil for demonic 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.120 purposes. And so I I sent that to someone who has a 00:58:11.120 --> 00:58:14.960 PhD in this stuff and said, I my smell test passes with 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:18.080 this. I can't see anything obviously wrong with it, but I know 00:58:18.080 --> 00:58:20.320 that I could be tricked because I'm I'm not that knowledgeable about 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.720 it. And so I asked someone who knew whole knew a whole 00:58:22.720 --> 00:58:25.600 lot more about the specific claims in the article. 00:58:25.600 --> 00:58:27.440 And he said, yeah, it basically makes sense. 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.400 So it's good to have someone you can refer to to help 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.240 you with smell tests, but even if at a basic level, just 00:58:34.240 --> 00:58:38.960 being careful about thinking and analyzing things can give you the foundation 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.680 that it's going to be a lot harder for you to fall 00:58:41.680 --> 00:58:43.760 for stuff that's plainly dumb. 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.240 And so the things we're going to go over, although the the 00:58:46.560 --> 00:58:50.560 scientific inquiries are complex, we'll we'll link to some of the papers 00:58:50.560 --> 00:58:53.360 and some videos that go into a ton of detail on this 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.680 stuff. And if you're excited about that, cool. 00:58:55.680 --> 00:58:58.320 Like it I don't find that interesting because I don't worry about 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.680 it. But if it's something that worries you, I would say go 00:59:01.680 --> 00:59:02.800 look at the data. 00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:07.040 But I would also say if you're worried that the evidence is 00:59:07.040 --> 00:59:11.200 going to invalidate scripture, then it doesn't matter what evidence you find 00:59:11.200 --> 00:59:13.280 because you have a spiritual problem first. 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.880 You have a spiritual problem of not believing believing scripture, even when 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:19.520 it's in a ration irrational, because sometimes it is. 00:59:19.520 --> 00:59:23.120 I mean, miracles are irrational to say that God did something that's 00:59:23.120 --> 00:59:23.840 outside the bounds of 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.360 material creation is irrational. 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.680 It's reason cannot explain the things why we call it a miracle. 00:59:31.680 --> 00:59:33.840 Something also is in episode six. 00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:37.120 So it's okay for there to be miracles, and that's another reason 00:59:37.120 --> 00:59:41.120 why this episode is important, because there are miracles. 00:59:41.120 --> 00:59:46.640 God does creative impossible things that are not impossible for him because 00:59:46.640 --> 00:59:47.440 he's God. 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.280 They're impossible for us to explain in some cases, particularly when we 00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:54.320 try to make up fairy tales like some of this stuff. 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.280 And so these attacks on the six days of creation, not only 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:04.800 is it an attack on original sin and an attack on Christ's 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.680 redeeming work in the world. 01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:11.600 But it's also just an attack on the supernatural, on whether or 01:00:11.600 --> 01:00:13.440 not God can do these things. 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:18.240 Forget for a moment, did He the fundamental denial of someone who's 01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:23.360 concerned that unless I see the fact I can believe the Bible, 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:25.280 that's not a question of did he. 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:27.120 That's a question of can he? 01:00:27.120 --> 01:00:30.480 And if you believe that God can't do something, then we're not 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.640 talking about the same God because the God that we as Christians 01:00:34.640 --> 01:00:36.800 hold to is infinite. 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:38.400 He's omnipotent. 01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:39.600 he knows everything. 01:00:39.600 --> 01:00:40.880 He can do anything. 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:42.720 Nothing is beyond his ability. 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.120 that's literally the definition of God. 01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:47.840 Like it's it's another one of those systems where when you start 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:50.960 looking at the definitions, they describe the thing inextricably. 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.240 There's no way to remove or subtract or or it's all ha 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:57.680 it all has to fit together, just like these tiny examples. 01:00:57.680 --> 01:01:01.120 And I think frankly, that's to me, I see that also as 01:01:01.120 --> 01:01:03.440 evidence of the existence of God. 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:06.240 That from the smallest to the largest, you know, whether you're looking 01:01:06.240 --> 01:01:09.920 at the structure of an atom or the structure of a galaxy, 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:11.440 they're shaped the same way. 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:14.240 You got something really heavy and big in the middle, and you 01:01:14.240 --> 01:01:16.560 have a cloud of stuff circling around it. 01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:19.680 God loves these patterns and they play out over and over in 01:01:19.680 --> 01:01:20.880 creation. Why? 01:01:21.120 --> 01:01:23.120 'Cause it's what he wanted to do. 01:01:23.120 --> 01:01:25.680 We just we're along for the ride and it's how everything works 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:27.360 and we should enjoy it. 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.800 And if you're trying to figure stuff out, that's good. 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:32.880 It's important to try to figure stuff out. 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:37.520 Just be clear that if you're looking at evidence and weighing it 01:01:37.520 --> 01:01:40.560 to judge scripture, you've got it backwards. 01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:43.760 When we do these subjects about science and things like that, we 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:48.320 never want to give the impression that we are subjecting scripture to 01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:50.640 our own reason or our own senses. 01:01:50.640 --> 01:01:52.640 That's never the point we want to make. 01:01:52.640 --> 01:01:56.400 We want to make that having believed in what scripture says as 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:59.200 best we possibly can, with absolute faith to the best of the 01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:02.560 ability God's given us, then what? 01:02:02.560 --> 01:02:05.520 Then we look at these things and it turns out that as 01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:08.880 I said earlier, believing that God did this stuff is actually the 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:10.160 easiest sell of all. 01:02:10.160 --> 01:02:14.320 It's far easier than believing the theories that are presented to explain 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.880 the world without God. 01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:22.240 You mentioned tricking people, and that's actually exactly the point that I 01:02:22.240 --> 01:02:26.400 have here as my next item on this list as it were. 01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:34.560 Evolutionists play fast and loose when it comes to three distinct 01:02:34.560 --> 01:02:40.080 concepts. These are all evolutionary concepts in the broader sense of the 01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:46.080 term evolution, not just in the biological sense, because you have evolution 01:02:46.080 --> 01:02:50.160 of, say, the pencil over time as it is refined in terms 01:02:50.160 --> 01:02:52.640 of its design. 01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:59.760 But the three distinct concepts are morphological evolution, conceptual evolution, and biochemical 01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:04.480 evolution, the last one being the most properly biological of all of 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.640 them, although morphological is also 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.680 biological in this sense. 01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:11.920 But the issue here is that 01:03:13.120 --> 01:03:20.480 scientists, evolutionists, particularly science apologists, so called, will either deliberately or carelessly 01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:26.480 conflate these, and they are not identical, they are quite distinct. 01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:33.840 To give some examples to make this easier to understand, a bicycle 01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:39.840 is morphologically the predecessor of the motorcycle. 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.640 It is also conceptually the predecessor. 01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:44.480 It is not biochemically the predecessor. 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:50.080 We're dealing with mechanical systems here, non-biological mechanical systems, because of course 01:03:50.080 --> 01:03:52.000 there are biological mechanical systems. 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:58.800 You are, to some degree, a series of biological machines. 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:04.160 But morphologically is just simply speaking in terms of form, using the 01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:05.520 Greek there. 01:04:05.520 --> 01:04:11.280 And so you have something that is, with regard to its form, 01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:14.400 the antecedent of something else. 01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.920 And so that would be the case with various kinds of transport. 01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:22.560 You can go from the bicycle to the motorcycle or from the 01:04:22.560 --> 01:04:29.040 bicycle to the car, these are similar in form to some degree. 01:04:29.040 --> 01:04:32.480 They are also similar to some degree in concept. 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.880 They are forms of transportation using wheels to get you from point 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:38.720 A to point B. 01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:44.400 Now, conceptually, if we expand the concept, a bicycle can be the 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.960 conceptual antecedent of an airplane. 01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:50.480 It is It is not the morphological antecedent of an airplane, most 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:55.120 certainly, and biochemical we've left aside because it's not even involved in 01:04:55.120 --> 01:04:57.680 this realm at this point. 01:04:57.680 --> 01:05:02.560 But when it comes to biology, this becomes a major problem for 01:05:02.560 --> 01:05:08.160 the evolutionist, because you can say that the eye spot on some 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:15.520 simple relatively speaking creature is perhaps the conceptual antecedent of the 01:05:15.520 --> 01:05:20.960 mammalian eye, but it is most certainly not the biochemical antecedent, and 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.440 so it is not an argument for evolution. 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.960 The evolutionist is looking at it as an intelligent being from the 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:31.440 outside and saying this is conceptually related to this, well that's actually 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.680 proof of a creator of an intelligence relating concepts. 01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:37.600 They'll never admit that. 01:05:37.600 --> 01:05:43.440 But giving that there is not that biochemical relationship, you cannot say 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:48.560 that the one is evolutionarily the antecedent of the other. 01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:51.360 And so it's important to be careful when someone brings up these 01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:52.560 arguments to identify 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.520 which one of these kinds of evolution is in play. 01:05:57.520 --> 01:06:02.240 Because evolutionists have to prove morphological and biochemical. 01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:05.440 They don't have to prove conceptual, although conceptual is a problem for 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:09.440 them because if you prove conceptual, you're really proving there's intelligence involved 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:11.600 in some way. 01:06:11.600 --> 01:06:14.960 But they'll play fast and loose because they expect you not to 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.800 pay close enough attention and just say okay, well, an eye spot 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:22.640 detects photons and so it must be the antecedent of the eye. 01:06:22.640 --> 01:06:24.480 No, it's not. 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.920 They are biochemically distinct and you cannot get from one to the 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.040 other using the systems of the one, in this case, the eye 01:06:31.200 --> 01:06:31.440 spot 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:33.920 getting to the eye. 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.320 And so it is not proof for evolution. 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:42.560 But before we get into really the last part of this episode, 01:06:42.560 --> 01:06:46.000 which would be the philosophical issues, and I don't know if we'll 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:46.640 go over all of them. 01:06:46.720 --> 01:06:49.280 The episode might run a little long if we do that. 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:53.360 There are a few major problems I want to highlight before we 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:54.560 move on. 01:06:54.560 --> 01:06:57.520 I've touched on a couple of them to some degree. 01:06:57.520 --> 01:07:02.080 I touched on the issue of abiogenesis, how do you explain that 01:07:02.080 --> 01:07:03.360 we have life? 01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.520 How did it arise from non life? 01:07:05.520 --> 01:07:07.440 That's the issue of abiogenesis. 01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.120 There's no answer. 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.960 in the scientific literature. 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:17.840 You may have heard of an experiment back in the nineteen fifties, 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:23.520 in which some scientists set up a supposedly primordial soup that that 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:30.480 was theoretically the conditions of some primordial earth, and then passed a 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:35.040 very high voltage through it, and wound up with some precursors to 01:07:35.040 --> 01:07:37.920 certain chemicals that are necessary for life. 01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:40.720 And that's possible they did that. 01:07:40.720 --> 01:07:45.360 There has been absolutely no progress in seventy years on that front. 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.840 They have not been able to make any progress toward creating more 01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:55.040 complex materials, molecules, etc needed for life. 01:07:55.040 --> 01:07:59.200 And that's with the application of intelligence, which is of course a 01:07:59.200 --> 01:08:02.000 fundamental problem with all of these experiments. 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:08.480 They all run afoul, necessarily, of the very sort of strictures that 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:13.200 should be in place for any experiment designed to prove evolution. 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.640 Because all of them have intelligent input. 01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:22.720 If you're saying that an intelligence can create conditions and then apply 01:08:23.200 --> 01:08:27.040 energy or what have you, some outside factor to a system and 01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:30.080 create life, you haven't proved evolution. 01:08:30.080 --> 01:08:33.280 You've proved intelligent design. 01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:36.720 The only way you could prove evolution is if you were to 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:42.080 find some sort of primordial planet out there that approximates Earth, and 01:08:42.080 --> 01:08:44.960 then watch it for millions of years. 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:47.040 If life arises, okay fine. 01:08:47.040 --> 01:08:48.560 Evolution is true. 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.120 You have to make sure that you didn't have life arise on 01:08:51.120 --> 01:08:54.080 the planet because you contaminated the planet. 01:08:54.080 --> 01:08:55.280 But that's the only way to do it. 01:08:55.280 --> 01:08:58.960 If you are setting up an experiment as an intelligent actor, you 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:04.480 have already violated what is necessary as preconditions to prove your conclusion. 01:09:04.480 --> 01:09:06.800 You've defeated yourself before you started. 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:13.920 The other issue, one of the other issues of the four, is 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:19.440 chirality. This sort of adds a level of complexity to the biochemistry. 01:09:20.400 --> 01:09:20.720 And 01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:27.280 two things, or a thing in two forms, is chiral if it 01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:31.440 is asymmetric in such a way that the structure and its mirror 01:09:31.440 --> 01:09:33.920 image are not superimposable. 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.400 That sounds complicated, but stick your hands in front of your face 01:09:38.400 --> 01:09:39.200 and look at them. 01:09:39.200 --> 01:09:41.120 Your hands are chiral. 01:09:41.120 --> 01:09:44.400 And you know this because you've probably accidentally tried to put on 01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:46.720 the wrong glove at some point. 01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:51.200 You cannot, no matter how you orient it, put on the left 01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:53.840 glove on the right hand, or vice versa. 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.000 Because your hands are chiral. 01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:57.280 They're not superimposable. 01:09:57.280 --> 01:09:59.840 You can't just reorient the one to be the other. 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:02.080 And that's why your gloves are handed. 01:10:02.080 --> 01:10:06.560 They do not fit on the wrong hand. 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:13.440 Many molecules, many of the building blocks of life, including amino acids, 01:10:13.440 --> 01:10:15.200 are chiral. 01:10:15.360 --> 01:10:19.120 Now there are about five hundred some amino acids, but really the 01:10:19.120 --> 01:10:22.320 relevant ones are the alpha amino acids, of which there are twenty 01:10:22.320 --> 01:10:24.480 two, twenty naturally occurring. 01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:26.240 These are the ones that form proteins. 01:10:26.240 --> 01:10:28.560 These are obviously very important for life. 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.920 Nineteen out of twenty of them are L chiral, which is to 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.360 say left handed. 01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:36.240 You cannot use the other. 01:10:36.240 --> 01:10:38.880 You cannot make use of the right-handed version. 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.080 In fact, it's going to cause problems in many cases. 01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:48.320 This is also relevant in the pharmaceutical industry, because, believe it or 01:10:48.320 --> 01:10:51.760 not, drugs, many of them, are handed. 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:53.520 The molecules in them are handed. 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.360 They are either left handed or right handed, and if you use 01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:01.600 the wrong version, it may very well kill you instead of help 01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.720 you. That is how important chirality can be. 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:08.160 The same is true of the naturally occurring compounds, the wrong one 01:11:08.160 --> 01:11:11.040 may very well destroy the cell. 01:11:11.040 --> 01:11:15.520 And so this is just an additional layer of complexity, and leading 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:20.400 into my next point, an additional problem with probability, because it significantly 01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:25.920 decreases the probability of creating the molecule you want by chance anyway. 01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:29.120 If you have an intelligently designed system, it does it by design. 01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:33.360 If you have a randomly designed, as it were, system, well it 01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:36.480 has to do it according to probability, and the probabilities here simply 01:11:36.480 --> 01:11:37.360 don't work. 01:11:37.360 --> 01:11:40.880 I'll get into more of the specifics in the philosophical section section 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.520 of the episode. 01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:48.960 But even given the immense amount of time that fine, I am 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:52.480 willing to grant to the evolutionist that the universe is billions of 01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:53.200 years old. 01:11:53.200 --> 01:11:55.040 I also believe it's six thousand years old. 01:11:55.200 --> 01:11:57.200 I have an article on that, I will put it in the 01:11:57.200 --> 01:11:58.240 show notes. 01:11:58.240 --> 01:12:01.200 But even if you take the billions of years old and give 01:12:01.200 --> 01:12:05.760 them that time in order for life to evolve, well you can't 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.120 actually give them the eleven or twelve or thirteen or however many 01:12:09.120 --> 01:12:10.080 billions of years they want. 01:12:10.080 --> 01:12:11.680 Give them fifty, I don't care. 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:13.840 You can't give them that because you have the age of the 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:17.840 Earth, which is four and a half billion supposedly, even if you 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.840 don't subtract the time from them for the Earth cooling from the 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:25.280 molten phase according to their cosmology. 01:12:25.280 --> 01:12:28.960 Even if you give them four and a half billion, it doesn't 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:32.240 work. The probability does not play out, there's not enough time. 01:12:32.240 --> 01:12:34.320 There are a lot of reasons for that, some of them are 01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:35.040 very complicated. 01:12:35.040 --> 01:12:39.280 I'll give a couple examples that are very easy to understand in 01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:41.600 the philosophical section. 01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.320 But the final of the four major problems that I want to 01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:47.440 highlight before moving on is the information problem. 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:49.680 This is the easy information problem. 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.440 There's also a hard one, which is in the next section. 01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:59.680 The easy information problem, very simple to understand, but truly insurmountable, to 01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:02.400 date, for the evolutionist. 01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:07.360 Within a biological system, no evidence has ever been presented of the 01:13:07.360 --> 01:13:10.960 creation of novel to that system information 01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:16.480 Now you may think, how can that possibly be true? 01:13:16.480 --> 01:13:18.560 We have Darwin's finches. 01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:21.600 We won't get into some of the funnier bits of Darwin's finches, 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.200 he mislabeled things and lost specimens, but other than that. 01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:31.760 That does not prove the creation of novel information, because that did 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:35.120 not happen according to the creation of novel information. 01:13:35.120 --> 01:13:38.640 You're probably more familiar with dog breeds than you are with the 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:42.880 various subspecies of finch or what have you. 01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:49.120 Dog breeds are created through selective breeding that results in the loss 01:13:49.120 --> 01:13:52.000 of information. 01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:58.960 A Pomeranian has less genetic information than whatever the original ancestor, dog, 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.280 or wolf was. 01:14:01.280 --> 01:14:05.360 From the original ancestor, the one that came off Noah's Ark, you 01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:09.680 could arrive at all of the current species through the selective loss 01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:13.200 of information over successive generations. 01:14:13.200 --> 01:14:18.720 You cannot get back to that original dog, that original canid, from 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:24.080 what we have today, because the information has been lost. 01:14:24.080 --> 01:14:27.920 That is what we have been able to demonstrate, through experiments and 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.320 just through breeding animals. 01:14:30.320 --> 01:14:35.680 If you lose information selectively, you can create subspecies. 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.400 That's what happened with human beings. 01:14:38.400 --> 01:14:44.080 Through the selective loss of information, we went from what was present 01:14:44.240 --> 01:14:44.560 in 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.960 depending how far back you want to go, Adam or the sons 01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:52.240 of Noah, to the various nations we see today. 01:14:52.240 --> 01:14:54.480 You cannot get back to them from us. 01:14:54.480 --> 01:14:57.760 The information has been lost. 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:03.360 This is a fundamental problem for the evolutionist because evolution necessitates it 01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:08.400 relies upon the ability to create novel information that has not been 01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:16.480 demonstrated, and if you cannot demonstrate that, then evolution is necessarily false. 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:22.240 This leads into the philosophical section and the hard information problem. 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.240 The hard information problem is simply this. 01:15:26.240 --> 01:15:30.480 Information can neither be created nor destroyed. 01:15:30.480 --> 01:15:33.360 Now I said information can be lost, that's a different thing. 01:15:33.360 --> 01:15:35.680 You can lose information from a system. 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:36.640 The information's still 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.840 exists in sort of a grand sense. 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.480 The information itself is not destroyed. 01:15:44.480 --> 01:15:48.080 This gets into the difference between instance and form and the mind 01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:48.480 of God. 01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:49.280 We won't get into that. 01:15:49.280 --> 01:15:52.880 It's constant, that's maybe for another episode. 01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:56.800 But the fundamental point is simply that information can neither be created 01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:57.760 nor destroyed. 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:02.640 This is a hard information problem philosophically for the evolutionist. 01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:07.520 Because again, evolution relies on the creation of novel information at least 01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:11.120 within a given biological system, and that has not been demonstrated to 01:16:11.120 --> 01:16:13.520 happen as I mentioned before. 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.640 Now, surely someone listening, at some point, or someone who has sent 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:19.920 a clip of this episode, what have you, is going to say 01:16:20.080 --> 01:16:22.720 aha black holes. 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:27.440 They destroy information, and so information can be destroyed. 01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:30.240 Two problems with that. 01:16:30.240 --> 01:16:35.280 One, we don't know that black holes destroy information, there's the issue 01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:37.920 of Hawking radiation and various other things. 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:42.640 But two, and more saliently, the person raising this objection is undoubtedly 01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:47.040 going to be the I love science type. 01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:51.760 Beyond the event horizon, nothing is knowable, according to the best of 01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:55.120 our current science and certainly the best of our current technology. 01:16:55.520 --> 01:17:00.720 And so anything beyond the event horizon is purely conjecture. 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:04.800 Therefore, it is not falsifiable, therefore, it is not per the terms 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:08.160 set by the scientific community itself science. 01:17:08.160 --> 01:17:09.920 It is conjecture. 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:16.720 It is no more compelling, in a hard sense, than fiction. 01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:17.360 And so 01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:22.720 again, I would highlight that adaptation is driven by loss, and this 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:27.280 is another facet of this information problem, because the information drops out 01:17:27.280 --> 01:17:30.880 of the system, it's not destroyed, it is simply no longer available 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:31.520 to that biological 01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:33.040 system. 01:17:34.320 --> 01:17:39.200 The next philosophical issue that I would raise is this a relatively 01:17:39.200 --> 01:17:42.800 simple one, very easy to understand this one, get a firm grasp 01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:47.280 of it, but it is absolutely fatal to the evolutionist. 01:17:47.280 --> 01:17:52.480 And that is the difference between analog and digital information. 01:17:52.480 --> 01:17:57.840 Analog information is what it is because it is what it is. 01:17:58.320 --> 01:18:04.160 Digital information is what it is because some intelligence defined it to 01:18:04.160 --> 01:18:05.280 be that. 01:18:05.280 --> 01:18:09.040 This is a fundamental distinction. 01:18:09.040 --> 01:18:12.960 So if we use the most basic example, pick up any physical 01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:16.400 object, it is what it is because it is what it is. 01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:20.000 There's information there, in the broad sense of information. 01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:22.480 That's analog information. 01:18:23.040 --> 01:18:24.720 Digital is something entirely different. 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.400 So the pen I'm holding is a pen, analog information, it's a 01:18:28.400 --> 01:18:31.120 pen because it's a pen. 01:18:31.120 --> 01:18:32.080 The word pen 01:18:33.040 --> 01:18:34.320 is digital. 01:18:34.320 --> 01:18:38.560 The word pen means this thing that I am holding. 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:42.240 It references really the form, the concept of a pen, but it 01:18:42.240 --> 01:18:45.440 also references the specific instance that I do have in my hand 01:18:45.440 --> 01:18:46.160 right now. 01:18:46.160 --> 01:18:48.240 That is digital information. 01:18:48.240 --> 01:18:49.680 The letters PEN 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:55.600 reference pen because we as human beings have defined it to do 01:18:55.600 --> 01:19:02.480 so. An intelligence is required for digital information to have meaning. 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:08.480 Digital information does not mean what it means because it inherently means 01:19:08.480 --> 01:19:15.280 that. DNA is digital, because DNA is a language. 01:19:15.280 --> 01:19:16.320 It is a language based 01:19:17.280 --> 01:19:19.920 on AGTC. 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:25.760 Or if you're talking about RNA instead, AGUC, Uracil instead of thymine. 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:31.200 It is based on these base pairs, which are used to construct 01:19:31.200 --> 01:19:38.560 the human and animal genomes, pretty much life on Earth. 01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:42.240 If DNA is digital, which it in fact is, then you need 01:19:42.240 --> 01:19:49.040 an intelligence to have defined what these mean, why they mean that. 01:19:49.040 --> 01:19:53.360 PEN means pen, because humans define that. 01:19:53.360 --> 01:19:58.320 DNA means human being in the case of our genome because God 01:19:58.320 --> 01:20:00.400 defined that. 01:20:00.400 --> 01:20:03.760 This is a fundamental problem for the evolutionist. 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:08.240 You do not have analog information contained in the genome. 01:20:08.240 --> 01:20:10.880 You have digital information stored there. 01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:14.080 And that is why there is so much information stored in the 01:20:14.080 --> 01:20:17.120 human and other genomes. 01:20:17.120 --> 01:20:20.000 Because it's digital. 01:20:20.080 --> 01:20:24.560 And this leads into my next point. 01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:28.000 Many will say that there's a system or something in the world 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.400 that has the appearance of design 01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:34.560 is a misnomer. 01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:38.720 Now we do use it in a way that is fair, I 01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:40.320 will say. 01:20:40.320 --> 01:20:43.760 If you were to throw a bunch of marbles on the floor, 01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:47.040 and they formed what appeared to be a pattern, that is, to 01:20:47.040 --> 01:20:51.840 some degree, the appearance of design. 01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:54.400 But there is also design in play. 01:20:54.400 --> 01:20:57.840 And there is design in play, because all of those systems that 01:20:58.400 --> 01:21:03.200 contributed to that appearance of design, that appearance of a pattern, were 01:21:03.280 --> 01:21:06.560 in fact themselves designed. 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:09.280 Gravity is a constant set by God. 01:21:09.280 --> 01:21:12.800 The density of the marbles is a thing set by God, the 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:16.640 way these interact, the way that kinetic forces interplay, all of these 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:21.280 various things are design, and so the result is the result of 01:21:21.280 --> 01:21:25.600 design. And so we do a disservice to ourselves when we say 01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:28.560 that something has the appearance of design and don't really think about 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.320 what it is we're saying. 01:21:30.320 --> 01:21:34.080 It on a superficial level has the appearance of design, but on 01:21:34.080 --> 01:21:39.120 a fundamental level, it is still the result of design. 01:21:39.120 --> 01:21:41.040 This is a game that evolutionists play. 01:21:41.040 --> 01:21:43.760 They'll try to say that something has the appearance of design, and 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:47.200 they'll use this to gloss over all sorts of things that very 01:21:47.200 --> 01:21:51.040 clearly do not have the appearance of design, but have the reality 01:21:51.040 --> 01:21:52.880 of design. 01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:56.880 So we could go back to the vision system or blood clotting 01:21:57.040 --> 01:22:02.000 or neurochemistry or any of a thousand different things. 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:06.880 These are designed, very obviously designed, and they want you to disbelieve 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.360 your lying eyes, as it were. 01:22:09.360 --> 01:22:12.640 They want to tell you that well, obviously it looks like it 01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:15.520 was designed, but you can't possibly believe that because it can't be 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:16.000 designed 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:21.520 I'll get into that point in a little bit here. 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:25.760 But just be careful when someone is using this appearance of design 01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:31.680 argument. Most likely the person, if it's related to biochemistry, related to 01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:36.320 biology evolution, is attempting to mislead you, is attempting to hand wave 01:22:36.320 --> 01:22:41.120 away something that very clearly has design, not just the appearance of 01:22:41.120 --> 01:22:42.000 design. 01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:48.880 And this leads into another argument that is often raised. 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:54.160 This one is particularly popular amongst the Reddit set, and that is 01:22:54.160 --> 01:22:56.480 the argument that begins with given enough time 01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:02.320 and then add whatever you want after that. 01:23:02.320 --> 01:23:07.840 Fundamentally this works because most people are enumerate, and because most people 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:13.360 are not going to analyze the problems that arise, regardless of how 01:23:13.360 --> 01:23:15.840 much time there is. 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:19.200 And so for instance, if you have 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:22.800 A complex system 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.480 composed of say five parts. 01:23:26.480 --> 01:23:29.360 Picked an arbitrary number, it doesn't matter for the example. 01:23:29.360 --> 01:23:31.600 Composed of a number of parts. 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:36.160 If all of these parts must arise together, and any one part 01:23:36.400 --> 01:23:38.160 arising by itself 01:23:39.120 --> 01:23:44.480 not only causes the likelihood of the other parts arising to decrease, 01:23:44.480 --> 01:23:48.560 but makes it impossible in some cases, no matter how much time 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:52.880 you have, you are never going to get to the complex system 01:23:53.040 --> 01:23:55.520 arising in toto. 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:57.360 And this happens in biology. 01:23:57.360 --> 01:24:00.480 This is not just an example that I'm picking out of nowhere. 01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:06.880 If you use the primordial soup that biologists like to pretend existed, 01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:07.840 let's say it did. 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:10.320 Let's say you have the primordial soup. 01:24:10.320 --> 01:24:15.440 Let's say you get a reaction that produces one of the precursors 01:24:15.440 --> 01:24:18.720 needed for a certain biological system. 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:23.760 That reaction in a biological system is probably mediated by enzymes, it 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:24.640 almost certainly is. 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:25.120 It will have 01:24:26.160 --> 01:24:31.360 various processes that spin it up, processes that spin it down. 01:24:31.360 --> 01:24:32.960 Just like blood clotting. 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:36.000 If you didn't have something that stopped the clotting, you would just 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:38.000 become one giant clot and die. 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:40.640 Which if you want to experience that, you can go get a 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:43.600 booster shot. 01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:46.960 But the problem with the primordial soup 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:50.800 is that there's nothing to mediate this reaction. 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:53.840 So even if you have the enzyme needed to start the reaction, 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:55.760 or let's say it's a reaction that doesn't need an enzyme, it 01:24:55.840 --> 01:25:00.960 just happens very slowly, all of your precursors are going to turn 01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:02.800 into your product. 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:06.320 The problem is that many of those precursors are shared by other 01:25:06.320 --> 01:25:08.160 parts of the complex system. 01:25:08.160 --> 01:25:13.040 If this particular part of the complex system arises first, it will 01:25:13.040 --> 01:25:14.640 use up all the precursors. 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:17.040 There will be no precursors for the other parts of the complex 01:25:17.120 --> 01:25:17.200 system 01:25:18.080 --> 01:25:19.200 to arise. 01:25:19.200 --> 01:25:22.880 Your system has just defeated itself, and it doesn't matter how much 01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:26.720 time you have, because you have now made it impossible to get 01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:28.800 to the complex system. 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:30.320 And this props up everywhere. 01:25:30.320 --> 01:25:33.040 I've given just one simple example of this. 01:25:33.040 --> 01:25:37.360 This happens time and time again, regardless of how much time there 01:25:37.360 --> 01:25:41.280 is. And as we'll see, there's not enough time, even according to 01:25:41.280 --> 01:25:48.080 their arguments for billions of years. 01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:53.680 I guess briefly here I should respond to an objection that will 01:25:53.680 --> 01:26:00.160 come up inevitably regarding supposedly transitional species. 01:26:00.160 --> 01:26:06.000 There are certain scientists, archaeologists, paleontologists who will argue that we have 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:09.440 discovered non-humid hominid species. 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.720 There are a number of responses to this. 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:15.440 One response is that if you showed them the skull of the 01:26:15.440 --> 01:26:20.080 elephant man, they would probably identify it as some non human creature, 01:26:20.080 --> 01:26:22.800 despite the fact that he was just a malformed man. 01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:26.560 And this is the case with many sorts of deformities we have. 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.440 You could show them the skeleton of a dwarf, and they might 01:26:29.440 --> 01:26:32.480 tell you that it's no it's an ancient hominid that was of 01:26:32.480 --> 01:26:34.160 short stature. 01:26:34.160 --> 01:26:38.560 No, they're just deformities that happen to human beings. 01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:42.400 If you find a deformed skeleton you haven't found another species, you've 01:26:42.400 --> 01:26:46.320 found a deformed skeleton, we have those to day. 01:26:46.320 --> 01:26:52.080 But as we mentioned in a previous episode, Europeans have Neanderthal DNA. 01:26:52.080 --> 01:26:56.960 Asians have Denisovin, and Africans have the so called ghost DNA. 01:26:56.960 --> 01:27:01.520 Are these extinct nonhuman species. 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:10.560 No. They are no longer extant subspecies of the human species. 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:18.400 The evidence of non-humid hominids is not only incredibly thin, 01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:21.840 it doesn't actually prove any of the supposed things they claim it 01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:26.320 proves. And the more you look into it, the less convincing it 01:27:26.320 --> 01:27:33.440 becomes. On a related note to that, there 01:27:33.440 --> 01:27:37.280 is the issue of radiometric dating. 01:27:37.280 --> 01:27:42.240 Radiometric dating, very simply, I'm sure many listening already know this. 01:27:42.240 --> 01:27:47.600 But it is simply based on the fact that certain forms of 01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:51.600 atoms naturally decay over time. 01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:53.280 It may be a very long time, it may not be 01:27:54.160 --> 01:27:56.480 relatively speaking that long of a time. 01:27:56.480 --> 01:28:01.120 There are different pairs that are used for different lengths of time. 01:28:01.120 --> 01:28:05.200 And so carbon fourteen is probably the one you've heard the most. 01:28:05.200 --> 01:28:06.240 It's not the most important 01:28:07.120 --> 01:28:10.240 one for science, but it's probably the one you've heard the most. 01:28:10.240 --> 01:28:15.280 There are other compounds that decay at various rates. 01:28:15.280 --> 01:28:20.160 There is a fundamental problem with radiometric dating. 01:28:20.160 --> 01:28:26.400 And that is that the starting conditions are unknown, necessarily unknown. 01:28:26.400 --> 01:28:30.400 The starting conditions are conjecture. 01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:31.520 Which is not science. 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:32.400 That's conjecture. 01:28:32.400 --> 01:28:33.440 It's a different thing. 01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:34.240 Science in the sense 01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:39.520 that those who advocate for evolution would use it. 01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:41.840 In order to say that 01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:47.760 we now have this proportion of this isotope. 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:51.200 Therefore this item is X years old. 01:28:51.200 --> 01:28:56.320 You must know the starting proportion of the isotope. 01:28:56.320 --> 01:29:01.200 We will go ahead and say that yes, probabilistically you can say 01:29:01.200 --> 01:29:04.400 that if you know the starting proportion and you know the ending 01:29:04.400 --> 01:29:06.400 proportion, you can calculate the time. 01:29:06.400 --> 01:29:06.960 That's fine. 01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:09.600 That's simple statistics that that follows. 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:12.560 The problem is you can't know the starting proportion. 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:15.200 And you can't know the starting proportion because in many cases the 01:29:15.200 --> 01:29:18.880 claim is that it was millions or billions of years ago. 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:21.760 No one was there to measure. 01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.880 And so it is based on conjecture. 01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:29.520 Being based on conjecture, it really isn't even persuasive. 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:34.080 And not only that, there have been many cases where objects of 01:29:34.080 --> 01:29:40.400 known age have been taken and radio dated, and they have wound 01:29:40.400 --> 01:29:44.560 up with wildly different results that were wildly wrong. 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:49.280 One particular example of this is they have taken fresh rock produced 01:29:49.280 --> 01:29:54.240 by volcanoes to various labs to date it, and they've returned completely 01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:55.840 inconsistent results. 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.800 A million years, eight million years, four million years. 01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:02.240 Turns out it's twelve years old. 01:30:02.240 --> 01:30:07.120 So So radiometric dating is not very convincing. 01:30:07.120 --> 01:30:08.880 Really it's not convincing at 01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:10.960 all. 01:30:11.280 --> 01:30:14.000 It's the same sort of problem that we have with a lot 01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:18.800 of the climate data today, where they will say it's some amazing 01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:25.360 new record and it's it's many percent off norms when the satellite 01:30:25.360 --> 01:30:28.720 data goes back 10, 15, 20 years. 01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.320 The instrument and data in some cases may go back a hundred 01:30:32.400 --> 01:30:33.520 years or so. 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:36.240 And if you happen to be on the oceans, then you'll have 01:30:36.240 --> 01:30:40.320 some records from the eighteen hundreds where ship captains were recording as 01:30:40.320 --> 01:30:44.080 best they could with you know, obviously non-calibrated instruments. 01:30:44.080 --> 01:30:48.480 And so you can have some vague sense, but for us to 01:30:48.480 --> 01:30:53.280 claim today that what we are observing is normal and then to 01:30:53.280 --> 01:30:55.120 extrapolate back in time. 01:30:55.120 --> 01:30:57.120 As Corey just said, that that's not science. 01:30:57.120 --> 01:30:59.280 Like it's it's scientific inquiry. 01:30:59.280 --> 01:31:01.120 Like it's fine to try to model stuff. 01:31:01.120 --> 01:31:02.400 That's intelligent. 01:31:02.400 --> 01:31:08.080 But you don't make absolute claims when you have cr when you 01:31:08.080 --> 01:31:11.040 put garbage in, you don't then swear by it. 01:31:11.040 --> 01:31:16.320 And you certainly don't browbeat people who think something different when your 01:31:16.400 --> 01:31:20.160 evidence is functionally no better than their evidence. 01:31:20.320 --> 01:31:23.440 Yeah, it's again that's why we began we began with scripture because 01:31:23.440 --> 01:31:27.600 as Christians, the Word of God is our evidence. 01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:31.440 It is the standard by which we evaluate reality. 01:31:31.440 --> 01:31:35.040 And so if Scripture says that the sun rises in the west 01:31:35.360 --> 01:31:38.640 and we see the sun rising in the east, I'm gonna believe 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.200 the Bible as a matter of faith. 01:31:41.200 --> 01:31:46.320 The thing is, we don't have to believe things that are counterfactual 01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:52.320 because what we're told in scripture never ends up being in opposition 01:31:52.320 --> 01:31:54.560 to what we find in creation. 01:31:54.560 --> 01:31:58.080 There are things where we can't maybe come up with a scientific 01:31:58.080 --> 01:32:02.640 explanation. You know, obviously if if the rocks on the earth appear 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:04.640 to be millions of years old, 01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:11.840 that's a it's an inconsistency, but it's not an inconsistency that undermines 01:32:12.080 --> 01:32:14.800 scripture. It's something that should be addressed. 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.200 And that's part of the reason that we're doing this episode is 01:32:17.200 --> 01:32:20.880 that Christians should have sound answers to this. 01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:26.480 I don't want Christians to be shrieking about Darwin and just just 01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:28.560 being completely incoherent. 01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:30.720 You know, that's what happens to Corey and I when we try 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:32.080 to talk about race. 01:32:32.080 --> 01:32:33.920 Race is genetic. 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:38.480 It's genetic in a way that's explainable in scripture, going back six 01:32:38.480 --> 01:32:42.800 thousand years and going back to the flood, everything, all the variation 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:46.800 that we see today is explainable both in scientific terms and in 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:47.680 scriptural terms. 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:49.280 The two are not at odds. 01:32:49.280 --> 01:32:53.440 You know, the mention of dog breeds, most of the the variations 01:32:53.440 --> 01:32:56.720 of dog breeds today are less than two hundred years old. 01:32:56.720 --> 01:33:00.240 Some of the primary forms go back three and four thousand years, 01:33:00.240 --> 01:33:00.560 but 01:33:01.440 --> 01:33:05.040 when you look at the incredible variety today, there I saw one 01:33:05.040 --> 01:33:08.000 list that showed like four hundred and fifty distinct dog breeds. 01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:09.600 Most of those are new. 01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:15.280 And they're new in very substantially obvious ways, as Cory is saying, 01:33:15.280 --> 01:33:18.960 if you were an alien who landed on Earth and you dug 01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:24.240 up a Parsons Russell Terrier and you dug up a Great Dane, 01:33:24.240 --> 01:33:27.440 you might you know, if you're pretty good at it, you might 01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:32.400 be able to determine them morphologically they were similar at some point, 01:33:32.400 --> 01:33:35.440 you would never necessarily conclude that they were the same species from 01:33:35.440 --> 01:33:36.400 those two examples. 01:33:36.400 --> 01:33:40.080 Because he said, like, either one is a very tiny amateur version 01:33:40.080 --> 01:33:43.280 of the other, or one is a mutant version or deformed or 01:33:43.280 --> 01:33:45.360 something. You would never think they were both dogs. 01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:47.760 You know, we because we know the time periods are like, well, 01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:49.440 yeah, that's they're both clearly dogs. 01:33:49.440 --> 01:33:52.160 We can we can analyze their genes and we know the history 01:33:52.160 --> 01:33:53.360 of the breeds. 01:33:53.360 --> 01:33:53.680 So 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:58.160 when we look at data and then we look at scripture, as 01:33:58.160 --> 01:34:01.360 Christians, we have to believe scripture, and then you know, I hope 01:34:01.360 --> 01:34:02.640 that the data accords. 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:05.120 Like it's it's easier for me as a Christian, as a young 01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:10.320 earth creationist, when I point to these things And it's consistent with 01:34:10.320 --> 01:34:11.280 what I already believe. 01:34:11.280 --> 01:34:14.960 Now it doesn't undermine my faith that it doesn't, but it's easier 01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:18.560 in this world, especially in this day, to be credible to someone 01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:22.000 who's also intelligent and they believe you know they're well informed based 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:26.080 on the cutting edge version of the knowledge that they're given. 01:34:26.080 --> 01:34:28.560 If you have an explanation that doesn't make you look like you 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:32.640 just say you have to believe my crazy skydaddy religion and you 01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:34.720 have to take all these articles of faith. 01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:36.960 As I said at the beginning, it turns out that when you 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:40.720 go down this path of theistic evolution and 01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.280 long periods of time, it turns out that you have to have 01:34:45.280 --> 01:34:50.320 a de greater degree of faith in the theories presented by modern 01:34:50.320 --> 01:34:53.440 scientists than you would if you simply believed in the six days 01:34:53.440 --> 01:34:54.720 of creation. 01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:58.560 Yeah, in the case of some of the time periods necessary to 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:02.800 achieve some of the results, even conceivably, even for some of the 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:07.840 results that you know, where it's completely a random process and they 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:10.640 say, well, given a long, you know, it's the the million monkeys 01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:14.000 that a typewriter a typewriter's m may eventually produce the works of 01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:20.240 Shakespeare, that level of absurd speculation requires a duration of the existence 01:35:20.240 --> 01:35:24.400 of the universe that's orders of magnitudes beyond orders of magnitude beyond 01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:28.480 what we know to be true based on all available data. 01:35:28.480 --> 01:35:31.040 You know, I saw some of the latest speculation was maybe the 01:35:31.040 --> 01:35:34.800 Earth's or the universe is twenty six point seven billion years old 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:35.360 or something. 01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:35.920 I don't care. 01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:38.800 Like it doesn't it doesn't concern me if the thirteen point eight 01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:42.000 billion, which is a number I've used in the in episode six. 01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:44.480 If that turns out to be wrong, who cares? 01:35:44.480 --> 01:35:48.080 Like it's I'm always glad when we're learning more about how God 01:35:48.080 --> 01:35:50.640 put creation together because it's cool. 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:51.920 It's interesting. 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:54.640 I every week I tune in to look at the latest James 01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:59.200 Webb telescope pictures and data because they're looking back to the very 01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:02.000 beginnings of the creation of the universe. 01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:05.520 And what's funny is they're finding more and more impossible things. 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:09.520 the further back they look, they're finding, for example, much more mature 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:13.520 galaxies that according to their current models couldn't possibly exist. 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:17.120 You couldn't have a a galaxy as fully flushed out as some 01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:20.400 of the galaxies they're finding, you know, just a couple hundred million 01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:22.640 years after the big bang. 01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:25.360 That's not possible based on any of their theories. 01:36:25.360 --> 01:36:28.080 It's possible based on my theory because I just believe that God 01:36:28.080 --> 01:36:31.040 put the stuff together and he set it in motion in six 01:36:31.040 --> 01:36:34.720 days. And so as we're looking, you know you know, through thirteen 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:39.280 point six, you know, five or four billion light years of distance 01:36:39.280 --> 01:36:41.040 for that light to travel to us. 01:36:41.120 --> 01:36:44.480 Yeah, it's one of the questions that I think we we skipped 01:36:44.480 --> 01:36:46.080 over earlier. 01:36:46.080 --> 01:36:49.040 If the universe is only six thousand years old, how do we 01:36:49.040 --> 01:36:49.840 see in the light? 01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:54.000 Well, as we said at the beginning, God created light before he 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.600 created stars. 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:56.640 How does that work? 01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:57.680 I don't know. 01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:01.440 But the system was complete when he said it was very good. 01:37:01.440 --> 01:37:04.640 And so if there's light appearing, I think that's cool. 01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:05.920 I think like that's it. 01:37:06.080 --> 01:37:08.880 You know, it's a st it's a stupid response, but I think 01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:09.600 that's cool. 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:14.800 God put a star 14 billion years away, and then he put 01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:18.880 all of the photons from that star all the way along so 01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:22.640 that any human being at any point of observ observation would be 01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:23.920 able to see the light. 01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:25.760 Why? So we know the star is there. 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:27.520 And because it was a complete system. 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:32.960 Like God didn't put the photons in transit just for our sake 01:37:33.040 --> 01:37:34.320 or for our sake at all. 01:37:34.320 --> 01:37:36.640 He did it because he wanted a complete system. 01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:41.360 And And when it's set in motion and everything just works, the 01:37:41.360 --> 01:37:46.560 scientists who deny God have to try to find some explanation for 01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:50.240 patterns. And the explanation is in the system in the sense that 01:37:50.240 --> 01:37:52.000 all of it just works. 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.840 And I think it's the the normalcy bias that has really completely 01:37:55.840 --> 01:38:00.560 overwhelmed modern scientific thought to think, well, you know, this exists so 01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:02.560 obviously this must exist exist. 01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:05.760 You know, and sometimes they'll talk about the the unlikeliness of the 01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:09.280 creation of life or whatever and in particular the fact that there's 01:38:09.200 --> 01:38:11.760 no evidence for life anywhere else in the universe. 01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:16.240 I I don't think that's a strong evidence against the scientific arguments 01:38:16.320 --> 01:38:20.320 against scripture for the simple reason that in my lifetime we didn't 01:38:20.240 --> 01:38:23.520 have any proof that other planets existed. 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:27.760 It's only, you know, in in I think maybe Zoomer lifetimes, certainly 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:32.400 millennial lifetimes, that we've actually found physical evidence for exoplanets. 01:38:32.400 --> 01:38:34.080 Before that was just theoretical. 01:38:34.080 --> 01:38:37.360 So we're always finding new things. 01:38:37.360 --> 01:38:39.840 But I can say as a Christian we're not going to find 01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:41.840 life because this is where God put life. 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:43.040 Everything else is dead. 01:38:43.040 --> 01:38:44.960 Will that be the case in the new Earth? 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:45.520 I don't know. 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:47.200 Personally I think it probably won't be. 01:38:47.200 --> 01:38:49.360 I think there will probably be life elsewhere and I think we'll 01:38:49.360 --> 01:38:50.640 probably take it with us. 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:53.920 I think that God put all that stuff out there, including the 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:56.560 planets, for us to actually explore. 01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:59.280 I don't think it's gonna happen in this earth, but I think 01:38:59.280 --> 01:39:02.480 in the new earth, we're still gonna have the urge to explore. 01:39:02.480 --> 01:39:05.440 God made us to you know to fill the earth and subdue 01:39:05.440 --> 01:39:09.200 it. All this space, I don't think we're just stuck in the 01:39:09.200 --> 01:39:11.680 some corner of the Milky Way galaxy. 01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:13.920 I think that we will be able to travel. 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:15.520 You know, it's not a matter of faith. 01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:17.040 It's just my personal opinion. 01:39:17.040 --> 01:39:19.280 Because when I see the stuff, it's it's cool. 01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:22.320 And I think that people want to go see interesting stuff. 01:39:22.320 --> 01:39:26.080 You know, it's back to the the prior episode just dealing with 01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:30.080 conspiracy theories, one of the worst things that's come out of the 01:39:30.240 --> 01:39:34.480 skepticism about the moon landing is people saying space is fake and 01:39:34.480 --> 01:39:35.920 gay. It's not even real. 01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:41.520 You know, the flat earth stuff ends up reducing the immense beauty 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:47.280 and splendor of creation, of God's creation, that testifies to his glory. 01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:50.320 I just don't want to rob God of the glory that he 01:39:50.320 --> 01:39:51.920 ascribes to himself. 01:39:52.160 --> 01:39:55.120 As he said in in the ending chapters of Job that the 01:39:55.120 --> 01:39:57.920 heavens testify to his glory, all of it. 01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.880 Everything we see in in this world, everything that we see in 01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:01.920 the heavens, it's all 01:40:03.040 --> 01:40:05.920 God revealing himself as himself. 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:08.240 Not only to us, but just for its own sake. 01:40:08.240 --> 01:40:09.520 He put all this stuff together. 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:12.720 There's stuff we'll never ever be able to understand. 01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:14.880 No matter how long we look or how hard we think about 01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:17.200 it, there's stuff that's too far away to see. 01:40:17.200 --> 01:40:18.640 Well it's not there for us. 01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:20.880 It's there because God wanted to do it. 01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:24.000 And as a Christian, I take comfort in that. 01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:28.320 It never, when there's new discoveries, it never yeah, every time as 01:40:28.320 --> 01:40:32.240 I said in the the episode on scripture, it never undermines my 01:40:32.240 --> 01:40:34.720 faith because it's always more of what I always knew. 01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:38.000 Yeah, the Genesis passage we opened with, it's the very first thing 01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.280 that I personally read as a child when my parents were teaching 01:40:41.280 --> 01:40:43.520 me to read the first novel thing that they sent in front 01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:44.880 of me and said, Go read this. 01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:48.640 It was Genesis one and following. 01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:52.560 I knew the things the scientists are only now discovering because I 01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:54.480 believed those simple words. 01:40:54.480 --> 01:40:56.720 They weren't scientific explanations. 01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:00.560 They were explanations that a four-year-old could understand, or that Moses could 01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:04.320 understand, in an age where you know, they had astronomy, but they 01:41:04.320 --> 01:41:06.640 didn't know the details we know. 01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:07.760 It didn't matter. 01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:11.520 God gave us what we need in Scripture to believe in Him, 01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:16.400 but it's not at odds with the revelation of God in all 01:41:16.400 --> 01:41:17.680 of creation. 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:20.320 So I think these subjects are important for us to be conversant 01:41:20.480 --> 01:41:23.280 in because we're a part of the world. 01:41:23.280 --> 01:41:25.840 We're a part of being able to speak to others. 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:29.120 And in particular today, when we have a lot of people who 01:41:29.120 --> 01:41:33.360 are looking at the church for the moral questions. 01:41:33.360 --> 01:41:37.760 If we attack those people on the basis of our being bad 01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:41.840 at scientific explanations, that's going to undermine their ability to come to 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:42.320 the faith. 01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:43.680 It truly will. 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:46.720 As I said before, if you sound retarded as a Christian when 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:49.840 you talk about things that someone knows something about, they're not going 01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:51.280 to take you seriously. 01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:54.000 It's not that everyone has to be conversant and everything. 01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:56.480 As I said, like I'm Corey's going to do an infinitely better 01:41:56.480 --> 01:41:59.360 job at explaining some of the science than I could. 01:41:59.360 --> 01:42:01.200 I would give a much simpler version. 01:42:01.200 --> 01:42:02.480 That's fine. 01:42:02.480 --> 01:42:05.200 If you want to go in depth, the depth is there, but 01:42:05.200 --> 01:42:10.960 the anchor should not be perfect knowledge of scientific facts about creation, 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:14.960 the anchor should be scripture and what God has revealed in the 01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:19.520 Word. Because when the revelation of the Word is consistent with the 01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:24.480 revelation of creation, which is always the case, that's something for us 01:42:24.480 --> 01:42:27.360 to give thanks for as Christians and for us to be excited 01:42:27.360 --> 01:42:29.040 about sharing with unbelievers. 01:42:29.040 --> 01:42:31.600 And for those who are curious, we should be able to say 01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:36.480 this book that's thousands of years old is consistent, it's consonant with 01:42:36.480 --> 01:42:39.680 the things that you know in the things where there's an apparent 01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:44.960 disagreement. Let's talk through it because it turns out that your faith-based 01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:48.400 belief system in what you've been taught is actually a much bigger 01:42:48.400 --> 01:42:52.800 stretch than our faith-based belief system that a God spoke the universe 01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:56.480 into existence six thousand years ago and everything just worked. 01:42:56.480 --> 01:42:59.280 I take comfort in that and I hope to share that comfort 01:42:59.280 --> 01:43:00.240 with others as 01:43:00.240 --> 01:43:01.440 well. 01:43:01.440 --> 01:43:06.640 That's an important point, and you raised it previously as well, but 01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:10.160 it's one of the remaining five points I'd like to make in 01:43:10.160 --> 01:43:11.760 this section. 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:15.520 It takes more faith to believe in science, so called, than it 01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:19.360 does to believe in God. 01:43:19.360 --> 01:43:24.800 But fundamentally, it is important first to realize that both are based 01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:25.760 on faith 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:29.440 You have to have faith in the science 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:32.320 or you have to have faith in God. 01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:36.640 Now you can have faith in both to some degree, but you 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:41.600 cannot believe the science where it contradicts what God says, if you 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:43.360 have faith in God. 01:43:43.360 --> 01:43:47.040 Alternatively, you can have faith in the science and say that God 01:43:47.040 --> 01:43:47.920 is wrong. 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:50.000 I wouldn't recommend that. 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:53.200 But those are the two options. 01:43:53.200 --> 01:43:57.040 Science likes to claim, and this is one of the other remaining 01:43:57.040 --> 01:44:02.720 points, but science likes to claim that it is entirely objective, that 01:44:02.720 --> 01:44:06.960 it is truly empirical, it relies only on the senses and what 01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:14.320 can be measured and tested and falsified can be reduced to data 01:44:14.320 --> 01:44:17.360 somewhere and then analyzed. 01:44:17.360 --> 01:44:20.160 But that's simply not true. 01:44:20.160 --> 01:44:27.920 For one, science largely focuses on induction, which is the 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:31.360 inference of a rule from specific data points. 01:44:31.360 --> 01:44:33.520 So again it's just empiricism. 01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:38.560 As opposed to deduction which is the use of the rule to 01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:40.800 determine what will happen in individual cases. 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:42.000 Now science does both. 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:44.080 It tries to go up to the rule and then down from 01:44:44.080 --> 01:44:44.480 the rule. 01:44:45.120 --> 01:44:49.680 But science is largely an empirical enterprise. 01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:56.960 But fundamental to this empirical enterprise is really something taken perhaps 01:44:56.960 --> 01:45:00.640 somewhat ironically, from philosophy, from David Hume. 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:06.240 And that is the exclusion of miracles of God, of anything that 01:45:06.240 --> 01:45:12.080 is not to the mind of the scientist, empirical. 01:45:12.080 --> 01:45:16.800 Now if you're ever at a trial, whether you're attorney, a party, 01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:22.320 or member of the jury, the beginning of the trial phase starts 01:45:22.320 --> 01:45:26.160 with what is called void dire, which is just old French for 01:45:26.160 --> 01:45:28.080 speak truthfully. 01:45:28.080 --> 01:45:33.280 That is the interrogation, I guess you could say uncharitably, but is 01:45:33.360 --> 01:45:38.640 the interviewing of of the potential members of the jury panel, the 01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:43.120 members of the jury pool, to determine if they are suitable for 01:45:43.120 --> 01:45:44.560 the jury. 01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:49.120 During that phase, as the attorney, you have two kinds of ways 01:45:50.160 --> 01:45:55.360 to strike jurors from the pool and therefore not impanel them. 01:45:55.360 --> 01:45:59.040 They will not be part of the eventual jury that hears the 01:45:59.040 --> 01:46:03.200 case. The first is a challenge for cause. 01:46:03.200 --> 01:46:04.960 You have an infinite number of these. 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:07.440 And the reason you have an infinite number of these is because 01:46:07.440 --> 01:46:11.200 a challenge for cause is a challenge where you have a cause. 01:46:11.200 --> 01:46:15.760 So for instance, if you have someone in the jury pool who 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:17.120 hates your client 01:46:18.240 --> 01:46:22.000 or thinks that all people who have your client's hair color are 01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:27.600 guilty of crimes, or whatever it happens to be, some cause that 01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:32.560 is a legitimate reason to dismiss this person from the jury pool. 01:46:32.560 --> 01:46:36.080 You can dismiss for cause, as long as you can state that 01:46:36.080 --> 01:46:38.000 cause and the judge accepts it. 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:40.560 Which is to say that it's in the law. 01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:43.920 The other kind of judge that you have is what is called 01:46:43.920 --> 01:46:45.840 a peremptory challenge. 01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:51.120 A peremptory challenge is for use where you do not have a 01:46:51.120 --> 01:46:52.800 cause that you can state. 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:56.160 Now you can read into that whatever you please, but where you 01:46:56.160 --> 01:47:00.240 cannot state a challenge for cause, you can use one of your 01:47:00.240 --> 01:47:01.360 peremptory challenges. 01:47:01.360 --> 01:47:04.160 Now I say one of because you have a limited number. 01:47:04.160 --> 01:47:06.720 Depends on the venue and the kind of case as to how 01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:12.560 many you have, but you have to use them strategically and carefully. 01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:16.000 That's fine in a court of law, it has a place in 01:47:16.160 --> 01:47:17.920 certain venues. 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:22.960 That should not be something that we use in scientific investigation. 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:29.600 If you peremptorily exclude certain causes, certain explanations for phenomena, you have 01:47:29.600 --> 01:47:34.320 artificially limited yourself and crippled yourself, quite frankly, because you will not 01:47:34.320 --> 01:47:39.200 be able to arrive at a correct conclusion if the correct conclusion 01:47:39.200 --> 01:47:43.600 is contained with what you peremptorily excluded. 01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:49.600 If you peremptorily exclude something and it turns out that that thing 01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:55.200 is the cause of what you are investigating, there is no way 01:47:55.200 --> 01:47:57.840 for you to arrive at the correct conclusion. 01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:01.760 And that is exactly what modern science does. 01:48:02.080 --> 01:48:07.280 Because modern science, as a peremptory exclusion, says that miracles do not 01:48:07.280 --> 01:48:11.920 take place, says that God does not exist, says that design is 01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:14.640 not the explanation for life. 01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:19.440 And if you do that, you necessarily have limited your field of 01:48:19.440 --> 01:48:24.160 investigation. And so modern science isn't really science because it's not attempting 01:48:24.160 --> 01:48:28.800 to find true knowledge, it is attempting to find an explanation for 01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:32.560 everything that exists in the absence of God. 01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:35.360 That is what modern science actually is. 01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:41.680 Modern science is simply a long, convoluted, complicated attempt to explain away 01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:46.000 God. Because they don't want to believe in God. 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:48.800 It's not because there isn't evidence for God. 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:52.800 It's not because God doesn't have explanatory power, it's not because we 01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:56.080 can't look at creation and see that there was in fact a 01:48:56.080 --> 01:48:58.960 designer, that there is a designer. 01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:03.040 It's because they do not want God to be real, because they 01:49:03.040 --> 01:49:06.320 do not want to have to obey God. 01:49:06.320 --> 01:49:09.920 That is why science engages in the way that it does, and 01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:14.560 that is not properly science, that is an artificial construct that sh 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:17.200 has no right to be called science. 01:49:17.200 --> 01:49:21.760 But that is what we have today. 01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:27.360 And one of the ways that science hand waves away very clear 01:49:27.360 --> 01:49:34.800 instances of something that is inexplicable according to their materialism or clearly 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:39.520 shows design is they will call it an emergent property or an 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.480 emergent phenomenon. 01:49:42.480 --> 01:49:48.480 Anytime you hear either of those phrases, you should be on maximum 01:49:48.480 --> 01:49:54.480 guard. This person is probably or almost certainly trying to mislead you. 01:49:54.480 --> 01:50:00.640 One thing that some scientists have now started calling an emergent phenomenon 01:50:01.120 --> 01:50:02.720 is consciousness. 01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:07.680 They just hand wave away the problem of consciousness, which is one 01:50:07.680 --> 01:50:11.760 of the problems listed earlier, a serious problem that science, using its 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:16.480 methods cannot explain, they hand wave it away by saying If you 01:50:16.480 --> 01:50:22.800 create the brain, that material that just as an effect of existing 01:50:23.120 --> 01:50:26.320 produces the mind. 01:50:26.320 --> 01:50:28.000 What's the problem with that? 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:31.680 Well they don't give you any mechanism by which that happens. 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:34.400 They don't give you a means, and not only that, it can't 01:50:34.400 --> 01:50:38.080 be falsified, it can't be tested, and so it isn't science by 01:50:38.080 --> 01:50:39.440 their own definition. 01:50:39.440 --> 01:50:41.120 But they constantly do this. 01:50:41.120 --> 01:50:45.040 They encounter a hard problem they say all an emergent property, emergent 01:50:45.200 --> 01:50:46.160 phenomenon 01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:51.680 This is one of the ways they deliberately mislead you to make 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:54.160 you believe that they have an answer for everything when they very 01:50:54.160 --> 01:50:58.800 clearly do not have an answer. 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:02.160 And so the penultimate issue that I would like to address is 01:51:02.240 --> 01:51:05.200 I've said we would get into a little bit of math, and 01:51:05.200 --> 01:51:07.120 this is the little bit of math. 01:51:07.120 --> 01:51:13.520 We already mentioned DNA and RNA and the base pairs and those 01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:20.320 things. In a really very real, perhaps amusing sense human beings are 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.840 fertilizer held together by sugar. 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:26.000 If you don't get the joke, then you should look up the 01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:28.240 constituent parts of DNA. 01:51:28.240 --> 01:51:28.400 But 01:51:29.680 --> 01:51:31.360 the mathematics for this 01:51:32.320 --> 01:51:33.760 are very important. 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:35.600 And here is why. 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:41.360 In the human genome, there are three billion base pairs. 01:51:41.360 --> 01:51:44.720 If you give the diploid number, so not giving a gamete, giving 01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:49.040 a somatic cell instead, six billion base pairs total. 01:51:49.040 --> 01:51:53.040 Including because you have two copies of each chromosome. 01:51:53.360 --> 01:51:56.480 Except for the sex chromosome, if you are male, then you have 01:51:56.480 --> 01:51:59.440 one X and one Y, as opposed to females who still have 01:51:59.440 --> 01:52:00.480 two copies. 01:52:00.480 --> 01:52:02.880 Assuming nothing has gone wrong. 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:07.280 But you have six billion base pairs in your diploid cells. 01:52:07.280 --> 01:52:11.040 The number is a little higher for females versus males because the 01:52:11.040 --> 01:52:14.480 X chromosome is larger than the Y, but it's close enough. 01:52:14.480 --> 01:52:16.960 It's a little higher than six billion. 01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:22.240 So let's say we have these six billion base pairs. 01:52:22.240 --> 01:52:27.200 The claim is that Earth is four point five billion years old, 01:52:27.200 --> 01:52:30.480 and again we'll give them even the amount of time necessary for 01:52:30.480 --> 01:52:34.320 it to cool from a molten state will give them those hundreds 01:52:34.320 --> 01:52:37.920 of millions of years whatever it happens to be. 01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:41.600 Some of you will undoubtedly already see a problem here. 01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:44.800 You need to have a correct, which is to say a human 01:52:45.040 --> 01:52:51.760 word, mutation, more than every single year, for the entire existence of 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:58.080 the planet, in order to get from nothing to a human being. 01:52:58.080 --> 01:53:02.320 This becomes a very serious problem when you start taking into account, 01:53:02.320 --> 01:53:07.680 well, higher life forms have gestational periods. 01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:10.800 And not every mutation is in the right direction. 01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:14.160 Some mutations, in fact, most mutations, are deleterious. 01:53:14.160 --> 01:53:16.240 Some mutations result in death. 01:53:16.240 --> 01:53:21.040 There's war and famine and accident, misadventure. 01:53:21.440 --> 01:53:25.600 The mathematics simply does not work. 01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:28.960 But let's look at some concrete numbers here so we can get 01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:35.200 a better idea of what is going on here in probability. 01:53:35.200 --> 01:53:41.760 When you speak of probability for things like this, and I will 01:53:42.400 --> 01:53:45.360 link an article that deals with this. 01:53:45.360 --> 01:53:49.680 It actually deals with copying and pasting passwords of all things, but 01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:51.120 it gives the math for this. 01:53:51.120 --> 01:53:55.360 It's an article I wrote some years ago. 01:53:55.360 --> 01:53:57.680 But the relevant numbers are 01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:00.480 the number of characters 01:54:02.240 --> 01:54:05.600 in your pool, which is to say the distinct characters, and then 01:54:05.600 --> 01:54:09.920 the number of characters for we'll call it a word. 01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:13.680 For the word you need to create. 01:54:13.680 --> 01:54:18.240 You need to arise, in this case by random chance. 01:54:18.240 --> 01:54:23.200 And so for the alphabet, you have twenty-six characters. 01:54:23.200 --> 01:54:28.960 For a one character word, that means if you do random chance, 01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:33.440 roll a twenty six sided die, say you have a one in 01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:35.280 twenty six chance. 01:54:35.280 --> 01:54:42.160 If you do this every hour, you'll probably wind up getting the 01:54:42.160 --> 01:54:46.240 letter you want in just over a day. 01:54:46.240 --> 01:54:48.480 Doesn't take very much time. 01:54:48.480 --> 01:54:51.920 The same thing is true if you deal with the alphabet and 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:55.040 basic punctuation, in this case, I'm just going to say space and 01:54:55.040 --> 01:54:57.920 period because that's what you need for just a basic sentence. 01:54:57.920 --> 01:55:01.280 But of course that's not complete yet, is it? 01:55:01.280 --> 01:55:03.360 Because I've only included lowercase. 01:55:03.360 --> 01:55:05.680 We have to include uppercase, so fifty-four characters. 01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:10.960 Now it takes about two days of rolling that die. 01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:14.960 Now a you know fifty four sided die, but rolling that die 01:55:15.200 --> 01:55:19.600 every hour to get that one character word that you need. 01:55:21.040 --> 01:55:25.440 Well, let's bump that up a little bit to five. 01:55:25.440 --> 01:55:27.440 A five character word. 01:55:27.440 --> 01:55:34.320 We'll stick with our upper and lowercase and basic punctuation character set. 01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:40.560 Well now the odds instead of being one in fifty four are 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:43.840 one in four hundred and fifty nine million one hundred and sixty 01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:46.960 five thousand and twenty four. 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:49.920 It's now going to take you fifty two thousand four hundred and 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:55.920 sixteen years to get that string. 01:55:55.920 --> 01:56:00.160 Let's again bump things up just a little bit. 01:56:00.160 --> 01:56:03.520 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:07.920 That's fifty six characters in our character set. 01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:12.880 How long would it take us rolling that die once every hour 01:56:13.200 --> 01:56:16.800 to arrive at that string? 01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:20.640 And the answer is one point one seven nine times ten to 01:56:20.640 --> 01:56:23.840 the ninety third years. 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:24.880 That's an incomprehensible 01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:29.920 number. But in order to put it a little bit more in 01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:33.680 context, not entirely, because once you start getting into exponents that large, 01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:36.480 it's very difficult to grasp them. 01:56:36.480 --> 01:56:40.080 The number of atoms in the universe is estimated to be ten 01:56:40.160 --> 01:56:43.040 to the eighty second. 01:56:43.040 --> 01:56:46.800 It would take you more years to create that simple string by 01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:52.640 chance than there are atoms in the universe. 01:56:52.640 --> 01:56:55.920 Which is really just a long and complicated way of saying it 01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:58.960 is mathematically impossible. 01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:03.840 You will never get a human being by random chance, no matter 01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:07.440 how much time you give the evolutionist, and the problem for the 01:57:07.440 --> 01:57:12.160 evolutionist is that he only has about four billion years. 01:57:12.160 --> 01:57:14.800 Which sounds like a very long time. 01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:19.440 Until you actually run the numbers, and then suddenly it doesn't work 01:57:19.440 --> 01:57:25.920 whatsoever. And so I come to the last point that I want 01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:29.280 to make in this section. 01:57:29.520 --> 01:57:32.000 And this is a point that is a little different from the 01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:35.360 others. And the reason I want to make this point is that 01:57:35.360 --> 01:57:37.760 it is important for you to understand 01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:41.520 this specific point that I'm going to make, because in the years 01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:46.240 to come, it is going to become highly relevant to the Christian. 01:57:46.240 --> 01:57:50.880 Now, as mentioned earlier, there are irreducibly complex systems. 01:57:50.880 --> 01:57:55.440 There is no explanation for how you could go from something that 01:57:55.440 --> 01:57:59.840 does not have blood that clots, to a creature that has the 01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:04.160 sort of clotting capabilities that a mammal does, that a human being 01:58:04.160 --> 01:58:10.240 has. There is no way to explain that. 01:58:10.240 --> 01:58:15.040 We cannot get from the non existence of the system or some 01:58:15.040 --> 01:58:20.800 supposed simple version biochemically up to the complicated system that we have 01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:23.440 today, the one that we see, the one that exists that must 01:58:23.440 --> 01:58:26.960 be explained by evolution if evolution is true. 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:30.800 And here's the problem. 01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:36.480 In probably not too many years, we will see scientists devising so-called 01:58:36.480 --> 01:58:41.040 AI experiments to get from point A to point B, which is 01:58:41.040 --> 01:58:45.200 to say, to get from nothing to get to the complex system. 01:58:45.200 --> 01:58:49.600 And they will say, Well, look, the system found a path. 01:58:49.600 --> 01:58:54.160 The problem with this is that it will be impossible to replicate 01:58:54.160 --> 01:59:00.080 that properly, to analyze it whatsoever, and it will prove nothing, and 01:59:00.080 --> 01:59:04.240 the reason that it will prove nothing is that the scientist will 01:59:04.240 --> 01:59:09.120 have set the conditions for the experiment, and then the AI will 01:59:09.120 --> 01:59:14.320 have modified them undoubtedly, but the result will not be falsifiable. 01:59:14.320 --> 01:59:15.840 The result will not be science. 01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:18.400 The result will be pure speculation. 01:59:18.400 --> 01:59:21.280 But they will try to use this to say, look, we have 01:59:21.280 --> 01:59:24.800 proved that evolution is true, and they will have proved no such 01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:29.360 thing. It is vitally important to understand the game that they are 01:59:29.360 --> 01:59:32.960 going to play, because this is going to happen, and it will 01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:35.120 not be that long before they start doing it. 01:59:35.120 --> 01:59:37.840 Some of them are probably already trying. 01:59:39.120 --> 01:59:42.400 But there will be papers published that will say we have explained 01:59:42.400 --> 01:59:44.480 how blood clotting occurs. 01:59:44.480 --> 01:59:49.840 This supposedly irreducibly complex system that we couldn't explain in the context 01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:54.160 of Neo Darwinian evolution, we have shown conclusively with AI that it's 01:59:54.160 --> 01:59:58.400 possible. But again they will have shown no such thing. 01:59:58.400 --> 02:00:02.400 Because all they will have done is shown that if a scientist 02:00:02.400 --> 02:00:06.880 tells an AI to get from A to B, the AI will 02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:09.840 spit out something that supposedly gets from A to B. 02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:12.720 There will be no way to prove that that is true, there 02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:15.440 will be no way to falsify it, there will be no way 02:00:15.440 --> 02:00:18.880 to analyze it, subject to the very terms that science sets for 02:00:18.880 --> 02:00:22.000 itself, or any other terms, quite frankly. 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:25.120 But this is something that is coming down the pipeline, and it 02:00:25.120 --> 02:00:27.440 will be used against Christians. 02:00:27.440 --> 02:00:30.480 It is a weapon from Satan, like much of the rest of 02:00:30.480 --> 02:00:34.080 AI, even if AI has certain promise in some areas, I think 02:00:34.080 --> 02:00:37.440 personally, it is dangerous to the point that we should ban it. 02:00:39.280 --> 02:00:42.880 This is something that Satan will use against the Christian faith, and 02:00:42.880 --> 02:00:47.120 Christians have to be on guard against this. 02:00:47.120 --> 02:00:49.680 We live in an era where there are going to be novel 02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:54.080 challenges to the Christian faith, but at the same time they aren't 02:00:54.080 --> 02:00:57.600 novel. Because it's just Satan sewing doubt. 02:00:57.600 --> 02:00:59.520 It's what he's been doing all along. 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:04.240 He just happens to have a new and shiny tool. 02:01:04.240 --> 02:01:08.800 There's no reason to believe the evolutionists when they hand wave away 02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:10.640 problems by ignoring them. 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:15.040 There's no reason to believe the evolutionists when they conflate the morphological, 02:01:15.040 --> 02:01:17.040 the conceptual and the biochemical. 02:01:17.040 --> 02:01:20.800 There's no reason to believe the evolutionists when they hand wave away 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:22.480 irreducible complexity. 02:01:22.480 --> 02:01:26.240 There's no reason to believe the evolutionist when they say that chirality, 02:01:26.240 --> 02:01:30.400 oh that doesn't matter, life could have arisen in some other way. 02:01:30.400 --> 02:01:33.280 And there is no reason to believe them when in the not 02:01:33.280 --> 02:01:36.640 too distant future they come out and say, Well AI has proved. 02:01:36.640 --> 02:01:38.160 No it hasn't. 02:01:38.160 --> 02:01:39.680 They're just lying. 02:01:39.680 --> 02:01:43.760 As they've been doing all along. 02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:49.680 So we started this episode with five questions, and we didn't go 02:01:49.680 --> 02:01:51.760 into all of them in depth because some of them are 02:01:52.800 --> 02:01:55.600 really beyond the scope of this episode. 02:01:55.600 --> 02:02:00.880 Yes, we delved into the philosophy, but really only insofar as it 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:03.200 directly touches on the question of evolution, which is 02:02:04.080 --> 02:02:06.800 the topic proper of this episode. 02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:10.560 We'll get into the others in some future episode. 02:02:10.560 --> 02:02:14.880 But the takeaway for the Christian, really. 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:18.560 It isn't all the scientific information presented. 02:02:18.560 --> 02:02:23.280 It isn't the scientific information that will be in the show notes, 02:02:23.280 --> 02:02:28.720 where you can get further detail on many of these subjects in 02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:30.800 really as much depth as you'd like. 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:33.600 You could very well get a PhD in many of these, if 02:02:33.600 --> 02:02:35.200 you were so inclined. 02:02:35.200 --> 02:02:38.400 I personally am not. 02:02:38.400 --> 02:02:40.000 That's not the point. 02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:42.160 The takeaway of this episode Episode 02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:49.680 is really that you can choose between what God says and what 02:02:49.680 --> 02:02:52.240 godless scientists tell you to believe. 02:02:55.280 --> 02:03:02.480 And many come to this from the exact wrong side. 02:03:02.480 --> 02:03:07.440 They come at the question as if we should look at it 02:03:08.800 --> 02:03:13.440 from the way that really the evolutionists tell us we should. 02:03:13.440 --> 02:03:18.000 Look at all of these little shiny things we've collected and built 02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:19.440 up this system by expanding 02:03:20.400 --> 02:03:23.520 God. Because again, that's what they do. 02:03:23.520 --> 02:03:29.120 They exclude God just as one of their preconditions, their presuppositions, they 02:03:29.200 --> 02:03:31.600 say there is no God. 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:36.320 That is the exact wrong way to look at this. 02:03:36.320 --> 02:03:40.080 The way a Christian should look at these matters is if there 02:03:40.080 --> 02:03:41.600 is a God. 02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:43.200 That's the first question. 02:03:43.200 --> 02:03:44.320 Is there a God? 02:03:44.320 --> 02:03:50.000 If there is a God, then you look to the nature of 02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:50.960 that god. 02:03:50.960 --> 02:03:53.600 You look to what that god has said. 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:54.640 Has he spoken to you? 02:03:54.640 --> 02:03:57.360 What has he told you? 02:03:57.360 --> 02:04:02.640 And so as a Christian, first and foremost you trust God. 02:04:02.640 --> 02:04:05.360 And so when you look to God's Word, you aren't looking to 02:04:05.360 --> 02:04:09.440 God's Word to find ways that it disagrees with science or ways 02:04:09.440 --> 02:04:11.840 science disagrees with God's Word. 02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:15.920 Because God is the fundamental foundation of truth. 02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:20.480 And God is the fundamental foundation of truth will never lie. 02:04:20.480 --> 02:04:22.400 God is always true. 02:04:22.400 --> 02:04:24.000 Everything he says is true. 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:26.000 Everything he says is reliable. 02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:26.640 And so we know 02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:32.240 as a matter of fact, as an absolute fact, that God's word 02:04:32.400 --> 02:04:33.120 is true. 02:04:33.120 --> 02:04:36.720 And so you look to God's word, and it is not God's 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:40.240 word that we subject to science, it is science that we subject 02:04:40.240 --> 02:04:41.360 to God's word. 02:04:41.360 --> 02:04:45.520 If the scientists come to a conclusion that is contrary to Scripture, 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:48.160 there are two possibilities. 02:04:48.160 --> 02:04:53.120 One, we have misinterpreted it, that is entirely possible. 02:04:53.120 --> 02:04:55.840 Not with regard to things that are clear. 02:04:55.840 --> 02:05:00.400 So the six days of creation literal days, very clear. 02:05:00.400 --> 02:05:06.000 Science, in so far as science supposedly disagrees, is wrong. 02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:09.600 But the other alternative is just that, that the scientists are in 02:05:09.600 --> 02:05:11.440 fact wrong. 02:05:11.440 --> 02:05:14.400 And so if the scientists say that scripture says X and the 02:05:14.400 --> 02:05:19.040 scientists claim not X, we as Christians are bound to believe X, 02:05:19.040 --> 02:05:20.400 and the scientists are wrong. 02:05:20.400 --> 02:05:24.880 Now we can investigate with the tools that science uses to prove 02:05:24.880 --> 02:05:26.000 the scientists are wrong. 02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:29.760 There are many great Christian scientists who have done this, particularly when 02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:33.520 it comes to genetics, or when it comes to high level, say 02:05:33.680 --> 02:05:35.920 synthetic chemistry. 02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:40.720 Those sorts of fields tend to find men who don't believe in 02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:43.600 the dogma of Neo Darwinian evolution. 02:05:44.080 --> 02:05:48.640 Because it does not square with what they know about the world. 02:05:48.640 --> 02:05:52.160 Now you'll find some biologists who believe it, because they hand wave 02:05:52.240 --> 02:05:56.080 away the chemistry problems, the math problems, these problems, about which the 02:05:56.080 --> 02:06:00.880 biologist doesn't know that much. 02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:05.920 But Christians can very well investigate these problems, can delve into them, 02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:09.200 can find ways in which they clearly agree with Scripture. 02:06:09.200 --> 02:06:14.320 We've gone over those in this episode on a number of topics. 02:06:14.320 --> 02:06:16.320 There are many more we could have addressed. 02:06:16.320 --> 02:06:18.960 We did not address everything because we didn't want the episode to 02:06:18.960 --> 02:06:24.240 run for sixty hours. 02:06:24.240 --> 02:06:28.960 But that fundamental takeaway is what it is vitally important, what we 02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:32.000 want you to hear in this episode, what we want you to 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:36.720 remember from this episode, you can remember or forget the science as 02:06:36.720 --> 02:06:39.200 is useful to you in your life. 02:06:39.200 --> 02:06:43.440 It's useful to have a basic understanding of some of this stuff. 02:06:43.440 --> 02:06:47.840 You probably don't need to remember all of the various compounds that 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:50.640 are involved in the cascade that is blood clotting. 02:06:50.640 --> 02:06:51.680 I don't remember them all. 02:06:51.680 --> 02:06:54.240 I have them written down, that's why I could read them. 02:06:56.080 --> 02:06:58.160 But fundamentally, take away and remember 02:06:59.120 --> 02:07:02.560 that God is true and what he says is reliable, and so 02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:06.640 we come at it from almost the exact opposite direction of the 02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:11.280 scientists. The scientists assume there is no God, and then try to 02:07:11.280 --> 02:07:16.320 explain his creation, which of course is an insane proposition. 02:07:16.320 --> 02:07:19.440 It is impossible. 02:07:19.440 --> 02:07:24.240 We as Christians come at it from the exact opposite direction. 02:07:24.240 --> 02:07:27.680 We know there is a God, and so we look at creation 02:07:27.680 --> 02:07:31.520 through that lens, and we see his action in creation, we see 02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:33.440 his design in creation. 02:07:33.440 --> 02:07:38.320 We see creation as something that was built by an intelligent God 02:07:39.760 --> 02:07:43.280 Not as a clock from which he walked away after he spun 02:07:43.440 --> 02:07:47.040 it up, not what the deist claim, but as a god who 02:07:47.040 --> 02:07:51.920 is actively involved in creation, who is responsible for every cell division, 02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:57.120 every coming together or separation of atoms or molecules or what have 02:07:57.120 --> 02:08:04.000 you, every last thing that happens in creation happens because God created 02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:07.440 it that way and permits it to happen or causes it to 02:08:07.440 --> 02:08:14.080 happen. Our God is an awesome God, who is in charge of 02:08:14.080 --> 02:08:20.160 all things, who is king over creation, who is in charge of 02:08:20.160 --> 02:08:25.520 all things, who mediates all things, as Scripture says, in whom we 02:08:25.520 --> 02:08:30.560 live and move and have our being. 02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:36.240 And so contrary to what the scientists, the evolutionists would claim, belief 02:08:36.240 --> 02:08:38.640 in God doesn't cripple the mind. 02:08:38.640 --> 02:08:42.480 Belief in God doesn't preclude you from answering these questions. 02:08:42.480 --> 02:08:46.400 Rather, belief in God is the only thing that enables giving an 02:08:46.400 --> 02:08:50.400 accurate answer, that enables you to give a true answer. 02:08:50.640 --> 02:08:54.320 Because if you're the evolutionist, we went through a list of things 02:08:54.560 --> 02:08:57.440 you simply cannot answer. 02:08:57.440 --> 02:09:02.960 All of the questions with which we started this episode have answers 02:09:02.960 --> 02:09:04.800 for the Christian. 02:09:04.800 --> 02:09:08.000 Not one of them is answerable for the evolutionist 02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:13.440 This is one of their key arguments, one of their key dogmas, 02:09:13.440 --> 02:09:16.800 particularly when you get into the philosophy of science. 02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:22.480 The explanatory power of a theory, of a belief, what have you, 02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:24.960 matters matters. 02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:29.680 If something has no explanatory power, then it's false. 02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:31.520 What use is it? 02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:35.120 If you came up with a theory that explained absolutely nothing. 02:09:35.120 --> 02:09:38.720 At the absolute best that theory is irrelevant. 02:09:38.720 --> 02:09:42.400 If on the other hand, you have a theory that explains everything, 02:09:42.400 --> 02:09:46.320 that theory is extremely powerful, that theory is very relevant, that theory 02:09:46.320 --> 02:09:48.080 is true. 02:09:48.960 --> 02:09:54.000 God explains, God gives an answer to each one of these questions. 02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:57.360 Evolution answers not one of them. 02:09:57.360 --> 02:09:59.920 Evolution has no explanatory power. 02:09:59.920 --> 02:10:02.720 God has infinite explanatory power. 02:10:02.720 --> 02:10:07.360 And no it's not the god of the gaps that certain neo 02:10:07.360 --> 02:10:11.360 atheists, certain new atheists attempt to argue. 02:10:11.360 --> 02:10:15.520 Because each one of those questions is a key question, is a 02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:19.600 vitally important question, is a question that has relevant to your life 02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:22.320 and the life of everyone else who ever has or ever will 02:10:22.320 --> 02:10:27.040 live. Because of course it's important to know why is there anything 02:10:27.040 --> 02:10:28.640 instead of nothing? 02:10:28.640 --> 02:10:31.520 How is there immaterial and not just material? 02:10:31.520 --> 02:10:33.920 How is there life and not just matter? 02:10:33.920 --> 02:10:35.200 Why is there intelligent life? 02:10:35.200 --> 02:10:36.400 Why is there sapient life? 02:10:36.400 --> 02:10:37.600 Why do humans exist? 02:10:37.600 --> 02:10:39.040 Why are we self aware? 02:10:39.040 --> 02:10:40.640 How are we self aware? 02:10:40.640 --> 02:10:42.800 What does it mean to have qualia? 02:10:42.800 --> 02:10:46.480 All of these things are answerable for the Christian, and these are 02:10:46.480 --> 02:10:50.240 key matters of life. 02:10:50.240 --> 02:10:52.160 Why believe in a theory that cannot answer 02:10:53.200 --> 02:10:54.880 any of these? 02:10:54.880 --> 02:10:57.600 These aren't little gaps in knowledge. 02:10:57.600 --> 02:11:03.280 These are fundamental gaping chasms in human knowledge that science can never 02:11:03.280 --> 02:11:03.600 fill 02:11:05.120 --> 02:11:08.400 And yet, for the Christian, we know the answer to each and 02:11:08.400 --> 02:11:09.440 every one. 02:11:09.440 --> 02:11:12.000 The answer ultimately is God. 02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:15.280 But there are, of course, answers leading up to that. 02:11:15.280 --> 02:11:18.160 I can give a concrete, firm answer to each one of those, 02:11:18.160 --> 02:11:21.440 and undoubtedly we will do that. 02:11:21.440 --> 02:11:26.160 But the takeaway for the Christian, again, is that we come to 02:11:26.160 --> 02:11:31.840 these problems knowing that God exists, and therefore, there is an answer, 02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:35.040 there is a true answer, there is a right answer, and that 02:11:35.040 --> 02:11:39.120 answer is grounded in God as Creator. 02:11:39.120 --> 02:11:42.880 As we confess in the first article of the Creed. 02:11:42.880 --> 02:11:49.280 I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth. 02:11:49.280 --> 02:11:53.280 God is the creator of all things, He is the foundation of 02:11:53.280 --> 02:11:55.440 all things. 02:11:55.440 --> 02:11:57.680 He is the explanation. 02:11:57.680 --> 02:12:02.960 And as Christians, that means we have the only true answer. 02:12:02.960 --> 02:12:06.640 The scientists ultimately have nothing.