WEBVTT 00:00:37.120 --> 00:00:39.440 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. 00:00:39.440 --> 00:00:40.480 I am Corey J. 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:42.480 Mahler. And I'm Wo. 00:00:43.040 --> 00:00:47.280 Today's episode of Stone Choir is going to be discussing something that 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:51.120 was produced by the president of the Missouri Synod uh several weeks 00:00:51.120 --> 00:00:55.440 ago. President Matt Harrison put out a press release that originally began 00:00:55.440 --> 00:00:59.280 as an email that was sent to district presidents uh leaked online 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:03.360 on Facebook and then subsequently sent out to the world. 00:01:03.360 --> 00:01:06.240 Up front I want to say two things just to clarify something 00:01:06.240 --> 00:01:08.240 we've said in previous episodes. 00:01:08.240 --> 00:01:13.040 We don't want this to become an inside baseball podcast about Lutheranism, 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:14.640 let alone the N L CMS. 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:16.800 I know we have a lot of listeners who are in other 00:01:16.800 --> 00:01:19.680 denominations and we don't want to bore you. 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:22.960 Uh the reason they were talking about this particular letter is that 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:26.640 this letter was literally written against the Stone Choir podcast. 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.400 This was written expressly against Corey and against me. 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.160 So we're going to go through it because it is directly relevant 00:01:34.160 --> 00:01:37.520 to the state of the church uh in the West, not simply 00:01:37.520 --> 00:01:42.800 our denomination, not simply Protestantism, uh but really the whole church is 00:01:42.800 --> 00:01:44.880 is facing similar issues. 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:47.760 So I hope you'll bear with us and we're gonna be going 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:49.680 through a letter once again line by line. 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:51.200 I know we did that last week. 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.520 I promise we won't do that again for a while. 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:55.680 Uh it's not something we want to make a habit, but in 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:59.520 this particular case, there's so much error and so much evil in 00:01:59.520 --> 00:02:02.960 this thing, and the fact that it's directly related to a podcast 00:02:02.960 --> 00:02:05.600 that's only been around for twenty episodes. 00:02:05.600 --> 00:02:08.000 I I think that it's worth our time to discuss it and 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:09.680 certainly to respond to it. 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:12.320 And hopefully you'll find that it's worth your time listening to it. 00:02:12.320 --> 00:02:14.240 So I I hope you'll bear with us as we do one 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:18.000 more episode that's a bit inside baseball, but again, not too much. 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.920 Um we're gonna rely pretty heavily on some previous episodes that we've 00:02:21.920 --> 00:02:25.680 done. Uh it's been, I think, no coincidence at this point that 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.200 every time we manage to lay down an episode within a couple 00:02:29.200 --> 00:02:32.960 of weeks, it becomes a seminal aspect of what is going on 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.400 in the world That's you know, we talked a little about in 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:37.680 the IQ episode. 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:39.920 We can see where the ball is going so we know some 00:02:39.920 --> 00:02:43.040 of these things are coming before they actually explode in public. 00:02:43.040 --> 00:02:46.000 So we're gonna begin this by uh we're gonna take turns reading 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.200 paragraphs and discussing them. 00:02:47.200 --> 00:02:50.560 I want to begin by pointing out something from the framing episode 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.800 that we did a few months back, where we discussed how the 00:02:54.800 --> 00:03:00.320 nature in which someone frames the discussion fundamentally bounds how you can 00:03:00.320 --> 00:03:04.160 think about it if you're just going to acquiesce to their frame. 00:03:04.160 --> 00:03:07.440 If you will fight back, if you'll sort of disregard their frame, 00:03:07.440 --> 00:03:09.840 then you can escape it and you have your own thoughts. 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.200 But if you go along with what they're trying to say, you 00:03:13.200 --> 00:03:16.240 get end up in a situation where they can absolutely control what 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.440 you're thinking, simply by the way they frame it. 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:25.120 So the title of this press release was President Harrison Denounces Disturbing 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.560 Ideologies. Now I'll just briefly unpack those five words because there's a 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:30.320 whole lot going on, even right there. 00:03:30.320 --> 00:03:32.880 President Harrison, okay, great, that's his title. 00:03:32.880 --> 00:03:34.960 It's also asserting a degree of authority. 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:37.280 So this is the president of the Missouri Senate. 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:38.720 He's speaking with authority. 00:03:38.720 --> 00:03:41.840 He's on the LCMS webpage, he's coming to the whole world saying 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:42.880 something's going on. 00:03:42.880 --> 00:03:43.920 What does he do? 00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:46.000 He denounces. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:47.680 That's perfectly reasonable. 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.480 Uh we're doing this podcast to denounce what he's saying. 00:03:50.480 --> 00:03:52.400 So there's nothing wrong inherently with that. 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:53.760 But it's a very strong word to use. 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.440 It's not a comment, it's not an observation, it's not concern. 00:03:57.440 --> 00:03:58.720 He denounces. 00:03:58.720 --> 00:04:03.200 And in the book of Concord, this would be the equivalent of 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.120 we reject and condemn. 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:08.560 So for him to say denounces is pretty much the strongest possible 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.280 word that he could use to sort of frame what it is 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:12.880 he wants to tell us about. 00:04:12.880 --> 00:04:15.200 Next word he uses is disturbing. 00:04:15.200 --> 00:04:17.520 That's a very emotionally laden word. 00:04:17.520 --> 00:04:20.720 When you say something is disturbing, it sort of primes whoever's reading 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.040 to think, Oh, what's gonna happen next? 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:25.360 Like I'm I'm already a little bit concerned, I'm a little bit 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.480 frightened, I'm gonna be exposed to something terrible. 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:32.400 So that's a very emotionally manipulative word to use. 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:34.080 It was very deliberately chosen. 00:04:34.080 --> 00:04:37.040 And then the last word he used is probably the the piste 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:39.680 resistance of what he's done here. 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.440 President Harrison denounces disturbing ideologies. 00:04:43.440 --> 00:04:47.520 Now that's interesting because as we've talked in past episodes, there's the 00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:50.400 doctrine of the kingdom of the left hand of Christ and the 00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:53.520 kingdom of the right hand of Christ, where the left hand is 00:04:53.520 --> 00:04:56.560 sort of the the civil, the secular, for lack of a better 00:04:57.200 --> 00:05:01.280 term, the world where the church isn't necessarily directly involved, and then 00:05:01.280 --> 00:05:03.520 you have the right hand kingdom where the church is talking. 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:08.880 So when Harrison says ideologies, he's implicitly shoving what he's about to 00:05:08.880 --> 00:05:11.280 tell you about into the left hand kingdom. 00:05:11.280 --> 00:05:13.280 He's saying this has nothing to do with church. 00:05:13.280 --> 00:05:14.720 This is an ideology. 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.520 This is something that does not come from scripture. 00:05:17.520 --> 00:05:18.720 It's not godly. 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:21.040 It's something that's just from somewhere else. 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.360 And I'm President Harrison of the Missouri Synod. 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:25.040 I'm gonna tell you what's wrong with it. 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:29.920 So just in five words, he's really conducted a master class in 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:34.320 framing to ensure that what you receive next is gonna be something 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:36.800 that you're gonna be ready to be scared about and you're going 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.440 to be ready to think, yeah, this is definitely not Christian. 00:05:39.440 --> 00:05:42.480 And then he goes on with the uh the title, The Statement 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.960 of Recent Online Unchristian Teachings. 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:46.640 Which again, that's sort of doubling down. 00:05:46.640 --> 00:05:49.360 It's it was online, so you know it's kind of fringe automatically. 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.040 Anything online isn't real. 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:52.000 Like it's not published. 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:55.120 It's just it's out there in the the Twitter sphere or whatever. 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.720 And unchristian makes clear that you know, again, that ideology thing. 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.520 We're not talking about doctrine, we're not talking about scripture, we're talking 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:01.680 about 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.800 non-Christian things being done somewhere related to the church. 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:08.000 And then teachings. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.680 So as president of the Missouri Synod, he is now framing it 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.920 in terms of there are competing teachers out there opposed to the 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.520 church. So just in the first two lines, before he even even 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.640 gets to his dear friends in Christ, he's already set this up 00:06:22.640 --> 00:06:27.200 as the church versus evil men from outside the church. 00:06:27.200 --> 00:06:29.680 And maybe that's true, maybe that's false. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:34.320 that's like framing is not inherently impermissible or duplicitous, but it is 00:06:34.320 --> 00:06:36.960 very powerful when someone's not paying attention to it. 00:06:36.960 --> 00:06:39.920 Because if you see to the frame without thinking about it, if 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.640 it's unconscious, just you absorb it and you're like, okay, I'm gonna 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:44.000 go along with this for now. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.800 And that's very typical when you're dealing with, you know, the president 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.160 of the Missouri Senate. 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:51.760 This is a pastor, he's ordained, he has a caller, he's well 00:06:51.840 --> 00:06:55.360 respected by people who are themselves well well respected. 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.000 So you know, you're gonna tend to believe him. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.840 You certainly wouldn't think he was a liar. 00:06:59.840 --> 00:07:02.000 You wouldn't think he was going to be doing something evil. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.880 And so when he tells you unchristian and these other things, you 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:09.120 gonna tend to believe 'em. 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:13.440 So this first paragraph is is just five lines, but it's gonna 00:07:13.440 --> 00:07:16.720 be where we spend, I think, the bulk of this episode simply 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.440 because there's there's so much to unpack here 00:07:20.320 --> 00:07:21.520 Matt begins. 00:07:21.520 --> 00:07:26.080 Dear friends in Christ, the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, its president, vice 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:31.840 presidents, and all 35 district presidents, along with its ministerium and congregations, 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:36.720 categorically reject the horrible and racist teachings of the so called alt-right 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:43.760 in Toto, including white supremacy, Nazism, pro-slavery, anti-interracial marriage, women as 00:07:43.760 --> 00:07:48.160 property, fascism, death for homosexuals, even genocide. 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:49.200 So that was one paragraph. 00:07:49.200 --> 00:07:51.120 That was the very beginning of this thing. 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.440 Uh there are two things to point out there and we'll we're 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.320 gonna spend most time talking about the second, but the first is 00:07:56.320 --> 00:08:00.800 that he says this is the president All six vice presidents and 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.640 all thirty-five district presidents. 00:08:02.640 --> 00:08:05.280 I want to name for you the vice presidents up front because 00:08:05.280 --> 00:08:07.920 what he is saying and what they are saying by their silence 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.280 and acquiescing to this letter that was published in their name is 00:08:11.280 --> 00:08:12.640 that they all agree with this. 00:08:12.640 --> 00:08:15.040 So we are not picking on Matt Harris. 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.720 This is, according to him, the unanimous voice of the entire Missouri 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.080 Synod speaking against these things that are to follow. 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:26.160 So the vice presidents are Peter Lang, John Wool Robby Jr., Scott 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.760 Murray, Nabil Noor, Chris Escott, and Ben Ball. 00:08:29.760 --> 00:08:32.800 Those six men are all equally responsible for what we say. 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:35.520 So when we say Matt, you can hear all their names, you 00:08:35.520 --> 00:08:38.800 can hear the names of all thirty-five district presidents. 00:08:38.800 --> 00:08:42.560 Every man in synod who's in one of these positions is guilty 00:08:42.560 --> 00:08:44.960 of everything that is said in this letter. 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.640 So that's the first part of it. 00:08:46.640 --> 00:08:47.600 And then uh 00:08:48.640 --> 00:08:52.720 the LCMS categorily rejects the horrible and racist teachings of the so 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:53.760 called alt right. 00:08:53.760 --> 00:08:56.400 So I think we'll begin with the term alt right itself because 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.120 it's something I think most people probably don't know what it is. 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.760 You actually probably don't hear it much anymore, and there's a reason 00:09:01.760 --> 00:09:02.480 for that. 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.720 So the term alt right came to prominence a number of years 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:08.960 ago. About twenty sixteen. 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:12.800 We have a graph in the show notes that illustrates the searches 00:09:12.800 --> 00:09:16.000 for the term which roughly corresponds with when the term was in 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.520 use. And of course it just means alternative right. 00:09:19.520 --> 00:09:22.400 There were some on the right who were pushing the use of 00:09:22.400 --> 00:09:25.920 this term and some on the left using it as a pejorative, 00:09:25.920 --> 00:09:28.720 but as a way to distinguish those on the right who weren't 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.200 establishment right. 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.880 The term did not catch on, fell out of favor, and basically 00:09:34.880 --> 00:09:35.920 is not used today. 00:09:35.920 --> 00:09:39.840 So it's first off ridiculous the term would be resurrected to be 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:41.840 used in this letter. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.480 And second, this isn't a term that anyone uses to describe himself 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.360 today. I have never called myself altright. 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:53.200 I've had many discussions with people about the ridiculousness of the term. 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.280 I hate the term for a number of reasons. 00:09:55.280 --> 00:09:58.640 This isn't really the place for the discussion of that though. 00:09:58.640 --> 00:10:03.280 But there's no one who has critiqued the catechism, who has critiqued 00:10:03.280 --> 00:10:07.200 the leadership of the LCMS, any of these things, who describes himself 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:08.480 as alt right. 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:12.320 This is a term that to day is used as a propaganda 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:17.600 term, largely by the mainstream media, to attack anyone who is a 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:22.080 little further right than you're allowed to be or just happens to 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.040 hold views that the media don't like. 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:27.280 And that's how Harrison is using it here. 00:10:27.280 --> 00:10:30.240 He's using it as a term to say these are evil people 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:34.480 who are outside the bounds of what is acceptable to believe today, 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.240 and so he wants you to condemn all of these things in 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.760 this letter on the basis of this term, on the basis of 00:10:41.760 --> 00:10:45.920 what he has labelled those who are critiquing what he has been 00:10:45.920 --> 00:10:49.600 doing in the name of Synod, on behalf of Synod, and what 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:53.360 others in Synod have been doing, particularly with the large catechism, which 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:57.120 is sort of what kicked this off for the Synodical leadership. 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.920 Yeah, I also don't think I've ever called myself all right. 00:10:59.920 --> 00:11:04.720 I've used other terms, but like it's this is a boomer term 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.360 that was stuck in there basically to scare boomers. 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.560 If you say alt-right, somebody doesn't know what it is, they remember 00:11:10.560 --> 00:11:13.600 reading something about a few years ago, it sounds scary. 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:14.720 So what does it do? 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.240 It triggers fear in the mind of the reader, just as the 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.000 disturbing ideologies headline was designed to trigger fear. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.800 So this is emotional manipulation bundling all bundling up all of these 00:11:26.800 --> 00:11:31.440 things together as one package, ascribing it to a few people, and 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.840 then singling them out and saying, You cannot listen to anything those 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:36.640 men say. 00:11:36.640 --> 00:11:39.280 And that's the whole purpose of that intro paragraph. 00:11:39.760 --> 00:11:42.480 he put this up front for very specific reason. 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.360 And it's not really gonna get into the parenthetical of the including 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.520 white supremacy, etcetera. 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.320 Begin with the first one, including white supremacy. 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.480 Well, we just did a five episode series on race, concluding with 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.840 the last episode that was specifically on the made up sin of 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:04.080 racism, in which we went through basically line by line the twenty 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:08.560 nineteen scen Sononical resolution that the Missouri Senate passed against the fake 00:12:08.560 --> 00:12:09.680 sin of racism. 00:12:09.680 --> 00:12:13.360 And I think we for my purposes, I think we demonstrated categorically 00:12:13.520 --> 00:12:14.800 that it's nonsense. 00:12:14.800 --> 00:12:17.520 It's it it's ham fisted nonsense. 00:12:17.520 --> 00:12:18.160 And so 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.760 if you agreed with anything that we said, even if you only 00:12:21.760 --> 00:12:24.960 agreed with part of one of the episodes, maybe the episode on 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:27.520 crime stats you thought was interesting. 00:12:27.520 --> 00:12:30.640 But then when we talked about IQs, you're like, well, maybe I 00:12:30.640 --> 00:12:33.440 can see violence correlating with race, but not IQ. 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:34.240 I don't buy that. 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:35.120 Or vice versa. 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.600 Like if you agreed with any of the things we said in 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:42.640 any of those IP five episodes, you are, by Matt Harrison's definition, 00:12:42.640 --> 00:12:46.080 by the definition of the Missouri Senate, a white A white supremacist. 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.480 Because that's fundamentally what we were talking about, that there are races, 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.800 that they exist, that they exist distinctly, and that they have different 00:12:54.800 --> 00:13:00.480 characteristics. As we said a hundred times, probably nearly every episode, not 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.320 before God, but relative to each other, we behave in different waves. 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:06.080 We have different properties. 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.800 And to say that out loud is quote unquote white supremacy. 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:14.400 Uh just this past week there's something in the news um a 00:13:14.400 --> 00:13:18.480 law professor, uh one of the major law law programs, is being 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.720 expelled and losing tenure because she said that black students are not 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:23.440 as smart. 00:13:23.760 --> 00:13:28.640 Now, that's a horrible white racist white supremacist thing to say if 00:13:28.640 --> 00:13:30.000 it's not true. 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.640 But if it's true, what do you do? 00:13:32.640 --> 00:13:34.880 Do you let the label stick even though the fact 00:13:35.760 --> 00:13:37.120 is verifiable? 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:42.160 Or do you say that labels and categorizations based on morality are 00:13:42.160 --> 00:13:44.160 more important than telling the truth? 00:13:44.160 --> 00:13:46.080 So that's really where all of this is. 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.840 When white supremacy is used as a scare tactic and as a 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.440 label, it's fundamentally designed to shut down your brain. 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:57.680 Just like the thing talking about these uh these disturbing ideologies is 00:13:57.680 --> 00:14:00.640 there to shut down your ability to think rationally. 00:14:00.880 --> 00:14:04.800 Because if you think rationally, you'll think about crime stats and IQ 00:14:04.800 --> 00:14:06.400 and all the other things that we talked about. 00:14:06.400 --> 00:14:09.760 And you'll think about the fact that maybe there's subsubstance to some 00:14:09.760 --> 00:14:10.320 of it. 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.440 Even if you disagree with the conclusions, even just thinking that the 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:17.040 thing exists is itself white supremacy. 00:14:17.040 --> 00:14:21.680 So a warning for anyone who's a podcast subscriber to Stone Choir, 00:14:21.680 --> 00:14:25.120 you are a white supremacist by the definition of this church simply 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:25.920 by listening. 00:14:25.920 --> 00:14:28.560 Doesn't even matter if you disagree with us. 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:32.320 The very fact that you would tolerate our voices in your ears 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:34.720 makes you evil according to these people. 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:38.080 Now that's it's a term from the from the mainstream. 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.320 These talking just like MSN. 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.440 And uh we'll be doing a a talk coming up here soon 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:47.840 about the fallout from this letter and the subsequent activities from within 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:49.040 the Missouri Synod. 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:51.440 There's a great deal of this that's been going on behind the 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:55.200 scenes in secret, or so they think, and we'll be exposing all 00:14:55.280 --> 00:14:57.920 that. We're gonna not gonna discuss it today, but suffice it to 00:14:57.920 --> 00:15:01.760 say that the Missouri Senate has been acting in concert with pagans, 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:07.200 with atheists, with evil people, for the sake of these terms for 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:12.560 the sake of upholding the morality of the dark world that does 00:15:12.560 --> 00:15:13.840 not serve God. 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.080 And so that's just the first term there. 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:17.760 Yeah, the second one is Nazism. 00:15:17.920 --> 00:15:19.200 What does that even mean? 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.360 Are you can there people who Well 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.040 they never define any of these terms. 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:23.760 Yeah, of course. 00:15:23.920 --> 00:15:27.280 I mean they did they didn't define white supremacy because they want 00:15:27.280 --> 00:15:31.360 you to take the term white supremacy and just think that really 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.920 any positive statement about whites is white supremacy. 00:15:33.920 --> 00:15:36.320 That was what the whole point of the it's okay to be 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.480 white campaign was. 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:42.000 The point is the reaction of people to saying that. 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.800 None of us would object to someone saying it's okay to be 00:15:44.800 --> 00:15:48.320 Asian, it's okay to be African, it's okay to be whatever you 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.680 want to insert. 00:15:49.680 --> 00:15:51.520 Fine. God made the races. 00:15:51.520 --> 00:15:52.720 You want to wear that shirt? 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.640 Fine. The whole point is the reaction, and the goal here is 00:15:56.640 --> 00:16:00.640 to make the white supremacy term it's a kill word. 00:16:00.640 --> 00:16:04.080 As was m as you mentioned, they don't want people to think 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.200 when they hear the term, but they also want you to associate 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:12.480 anything that is positive with regard to whites as being white supremacy. 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.800 And that's one of the reasons they don't define it, because if 00:16:14.800 --> 00:16:19.360 they actually defined it, you might start going, Well, what these men 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.160 are saying doesn't match up with the way this term is being 00:16:22.160 --> 00:16:26.720 defined, this accusation Don't fit. 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.640 But these men don't care about the eighth commandment at all. 00:16:30.640 --> 00:16:32.240 That's why they never define these things. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:33.920 That's why it's always vague accusations. 00:16:33.920 --> 00:16:37.920 That's why they don't want to have the actual discussion of what 00:16:37.920 --> 00:16:41.120 it is they're saying, what it is we're saying. 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.880 They just want you not to listen, not to think about it, 00:16:44.880 --> 00:16:47.520 obey the ministerium, and shut up. 00:16:48.880 --> 00:16:49.200 The 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:55.280 LCMS itself, by the world standards, is a white supremacist church simply 00:16:55.280 --> 00:16:58.000 by virtue of the fact that 96% of the souls in the 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.760 Missouri Synod are white. 00:16:59.760 --> 00:17:01.760 That itself is white supremacy. 00:17:01.760 --> 00:17:05.520 It is a categorical imperative of the world that if you find 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:09.840 an overwhelming majority of white people anywhere, even if it's in places 00:17:09.840 --> 00:17:14.000 that they built themselves for themselves, if they still have that thing 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.320 that they built, that is white supremacy. 00:17:16.320 --> 00:17:18.560 Period. There's no way around that. 00:17:18.560 --> 00:17:21.680 And if you as a normal human being and a Christian recoil 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.200 from that and say, well, that's absurd. 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:24.000 That's obscene. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:24.720 Yes, it is. 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:25.760 That is the point. 00:17:25.760 --> 00:17:29.040 The term itself is, as Corey said, a killing word. 00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:32.320 It is designed to kill your ability to respond because who wants 00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:33.600 to be a white supremacist? 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:35.600 that's evil, obviously. 00:17:35.600 --> 00:17:37.200 But you can't discuss it. 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:38.880 You can't talk about what it is. 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.200 You just have to accept and move on. 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:42.640 Same with Nazi. 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:47.680 The national Socialist German Workers Party vanished in nineteen forty-five. 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.600 There have been no Nazis since nineteen forty-five, because that was a 00:17:51.600 --> 00:17:54.400 political party for a country that was killed. 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.880 That was killed by the West in the name of all of 00:17:58.880 --> 00:17:59.680 these things. 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:01.840 It was d it was done by communists and it was done 00:18:01.840 --> 00:18:03.600 by godless Americans. 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:05.840 And so for them to try to lump that in is again 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.040 it's just another scare tactic because what is more evil in the 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:10.640 universe than Nazism? 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.200 If you've watched movies in the last 30 years, you know that 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:13.840 there's nothing. 00:18:13.840 --> 00:18:16.160 There's nothing you could possibly do that could be more than evil 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:16.880 than Nazi. 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.760 So they throw the word out there to scare you. 00:18:19.760 --> 00:18:23.360 I'm not a Nazi, because I'm not that old. 00:18:23.360 --> 00:18:27.520 I don't particularly care about politics from the German people in the 00:18:27.520 --> 00:18:28.560 thirties and forties. 00:18:28.560 --> 00:18:30.080 I I don't find it interesting. 00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:33.600 I think there are aspects of every period that you can learn 00:18:33.600 --> 00:18:38.240 something from, good and bad, but to discuss things honestly is not 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.440 to be an unthinking subscriber, which is again what they want. 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.360 They just lump, they categorize, they smear, and then they move on, 00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:48.960 having labeled morally anything that they don't like with a term that 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:53.600 you are programmed by an entire lifetime of propaganda to recoil from 00:18:53.600 --> 00:18:54.560 in horror. 00:18:54.560 --> 00:18:57.600 So these disturbing ideologies, they're telling you what they are. 00:18:57.600 --> 00:19:02.080 The disturbance is the racism, it's the Nazis and the next one 00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:03.760 is pro slavery. 00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:08.000 Well scripture is not anti slavery. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.720 We're going to be doing an episode soon pr probably at some 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:14.160 point pretty soon here, specifically about slavery, and about the fact that 00:19:14.560 --> 00:19:16.880 scripture does not condemn it. 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.080 That is not to to say that, to say something that is 00:19:20.080 --> 00:19:24.480 a verifiable scriptural fact is not the same as being pro-slavery. 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:29.120 I've literally mentioned on Stone Choir episode a few episodes ago, I'd 00:19:29.120 --> 00:19:32.160 rather be a slave than own slaves because I've been an employer. 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:33.200 I've signed paychecks. 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.560 I know what it's like to not to own someone, but to 00:19:36.800 --> 00:19:39.680 have an employee and the prospect of 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:43.680 Yeah, well not in my own depending on the employees in 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:44.320 the the business, 00:19:44.320 --> 00:19:45.440 yeah. Yeah, sir. 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.040 Yeah, but Jeff Bezos is is pretty close to a slave owner. 00:19:49.040 --> 00:19:52.560 Um but even then he sends them home with virtually nothing. 00:19:52.560 --> 00:19:54.640 He sends he sends them home crippled. 00:19:54.800 --> 00:19:58.880 hi their their their health care, their welfare, their lives are not 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:00.240 his problem because he doesn't own them. 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.440 He just doesn't even give 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:02.720 them bathroom breaks. 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:06.480 I'm pretty sure no slave owners were that bad. 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.120 Yeah. 00:20:07.120 --> 00:20:11.200 So So the the the notion that any men, and including both 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.400 of us, both Corey and I, do not think that slavery is 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:15.280 a sin. 00:20:15.280 --> 00:20:19.840 This is something that the entire history of the faith agrees with 00:20:20.080 --> 00:20:22.640 until the last hundred and fifty years. 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:27.600 Now, it's interesting for the Missouri Synod to choose pro-slavery as an 00:20:27.600 --> 00:20:31.760 explicit attack on moral grounds and again as a smear, like again 00:20:31.840 --> 00:20:35.680 they w they didn't provide any proof that anyone was pro slavery. 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.480 They didn't pre provide any definition for what that is. 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.520 But we'll link in the show notes what the founder of the 00:20:41.520 --> 00:20:47.520 Missouri Synod, CFW Walther, said about slavery during the time that prohibition 00:20:47.520 --> 00:20:49.280 was rising. 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:50.720 They were atheists. 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:56.240 The men who were pushing prohibition were among the most evil men 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:58.000 in the United States at the time. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.000 They were not Christians primarily. 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.200 And the ones who were putative Christians were degenerate. 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.520 They were not anything that Lutherans would recognize remotely as Christian. 00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:11.360 They were so far off in the weeds because they were obsessed 00:21:11.360 --> 00:21:12.720 with the quality. 00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:17.840 They were obsessed with the follow-on to the French Revolution. 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:21.840 And one of the amazing points that Walther makes in I can't 00:21:21.760 --> 00:21:24.720 remember what year it was like eighteen fifty nine roughly. 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:30.960 Um he specifically ties the abolitionist movement to feminism, which didn't even 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:32.080 exist yet. 00:21:32.080 --> 00:21:34.480 You know, feminism was something that came later. 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:35.600 Because what did you have first? 00:21:35.600 --> 00:21:38.240 First you freed the slaves, and then you freed the women. 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:40.000 You had women's liberation. 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.000 And so he saw well before that ball began rolling, that it 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.400 was gonna start, and he saw that it was all part of 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:47.520 the same thing. 00:21:47.520 --> 00:21:50.960 So to get back to the headline of this thing, when Harrison 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:55.440 calls these disturbing ideologies, he's trying to make you think that these 00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:01.600 are completely beyond any possible scriptural discussion, that there's no moral grounding 00:22:01.600 --> 00:22:06.640 for anyone who might disagree with him when in fact virtually the 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.320 entire history of the church agrees with us, which we will be 00:22:10.320 --> 00:22:12.560 the first to admit doesn't prove that we're right. 00:22:12.560 --> 00:22:15.040 We would never point to the history of the church, say, look, 00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:16.880 everybody was doing it, it must be right. 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:17.760 What do we do? 00:22:17.760 --> 00:22:19.040 We point to scripture. 00:22:19.040 --> 00:22:22.800 So when we do the episode on slavery not being a sin, 00:22:22.800 --> 00:22:26.160 we will spend a lot of time in scripture because it's everywhere 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.480 and it's never condemned in scripture. 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:32.640 Even Philemon is not an anti-slavery book. 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.560 So this is worldly. 00:22:34.560 --> 00:22:41.760 This the fact that he's spouting these twenty-first century sentimental CNN talking 00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:45.840 points as condemnation and saying, Oh, there's no theology here. 00:22:45.840 --> 00:22:47.680 They're just fundamentally dishonest. 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:48.240 And 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.440 also just as a purely factual matter, I don't think I've seen 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:56.000 a single person on our side argue for slavery. 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.760 We've argued that slavery is not a sin because slavery is in 00:22:59.760 --> 00:23:02.080 Scripture not condemned by Scripture. 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:04.960 If we're described as slaves of Christ, that makes Christ a slave 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.560 owner. If you want to say that slavery is sin, you're calling 00:23:08.560 --> 00:23:12.160 Christ a sinner, good luck with that on judgment day. 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:14.560 But I don't think a single one of us has ever said 00:23:14.560 --> 00:23:18.080 we want to reinstitute slavery. 00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:23.360 So So pro-slavery is just actually wrong on its face. 00:23:23.360 --> 00:23:29.760 Because we recognize the horrible consequences of slavery for the nation and 00:23:29.760 --> 00:23:32.400 the hassle that it was and would be certainly if it were 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:37.040 reinstituted, and there's no reason for it. 00:23:37.040 --> 00:23:39.520 So no one is arguing we should bring back slavery. 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:41.120 no one is making that argument. 00:23:41.120 --> 00:23:45.120 We still have slavery technically because the thirteenth Amendment doesn't actually bar 00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:49.200 slavery, it bars slavery except as punishment, and so prisoners are slaves 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.640 in many ways. 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.760 But no one is arguing to bring it back. 00:23:53.760 --> 00:23:54.480 Yep. 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.840 And even if they were, that is a political matter. 00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.360 It is not a moral matter. 00:23:59.360 --> 00:24:00.800 And that's fundamentally what's 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.920 a policy decision, exactly. 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:05.920 It's perfectly within the power of the state, the rightful power of 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:09.360 the state, to practice slavery or not practice slavery. 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.040 And as a political matter, I am looking back over history, absolutely 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:21.840 fundamentally opposed to the slavery and the importation of Africans into North 00:24:21.840 --> 00:24:24.800 America. I think it's the single worst thing this country has ever 00:24:24.800 --> 00:24:29.280 done for entirely opposite reasons than those like Harrison who call it 00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:31.840 the original sin of the United States. 00:24:31.840 --> 00:24:34.880 I think that it was evil because it brought people someplace they 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:36.960 didn't want to be and they didn't belong. 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.000 And then when we emancipated them, we just left them here. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:41.600 They were dumped on their own. 00:24:41.760 --> 00:24:44.080 Now you want to talk about pro slavery. 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:46.560 If you go look back at many of the slaves who were 00:24:46.560 --> 00:24:50.080 so called emancipated, many of them wished that they could return to 00:24:50.080 --> 00:24:54.480 slavery, because their lives as slaves were easier than their lives were 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.200 when they were on their own, forced to fend for themselves. 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:58.640 That was a raw deal. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.600 They were put someplace that they hadn't intended to be, they didn't 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:05.040 want to be, they didn't have support systems, and they're just left. 00:25:05.040 --> 00:25:07.520 And it was terrible for them, just as it was terrible for 00:25:07.520 --> 00:25:08.960 them to have been brought here. 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.200 I am not pro African slavery. 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.480 I wish that the Africans who had kidnapped them in Africa had 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:15.120 not done so. 00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:17.600 I wish that the Jews who had brought them here on their 00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:19.280 slave ships had not done so. 00:25:19.280 --> 00:25:22.480 I wish that the plantation owners, who were predominantly Jewish in the 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.120 south, who had purchased them, had not done so. 00:25:25.120 --> 00:25:28.160 And I wish that when they were finally emancipated through violence that 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:33.840 was itself evil, that when that occurred, for by whatever means, I 00:25:33.840 --> 00:25:36.320 wish that they had been returned home, as many of them would 00:25:36.320 --> 00:25:37.040 have wanted. 00:25:37.040 --> 00:25:39.840 And I think to this day when you have on the far 00:25:39.840 --> 00:25:45.040 left, so called in the far right, agreeing Africans shouldn't be here. 00:25:45.040 --> 00:25:47.840 I don't I don't think anyone finds that controversial. 00:25:47.840 --> 00:25:49.200 And it's not hateful. 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.400 So see, Cory and I will speak of these things in these 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.240 terms in And when you actually hear us out, maybe you disagree, 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.440 but it doesn't sound as terrible as these guys want to make 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:00.000 it sound. 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:00.880 And that's the whole point. 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.480 They want to make everything that is in opposition to anything they 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:08.400 believe just sound so unspeakably terrible that you can't even go near 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.720 it. Maybe you think it's great for Africans to be here and 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.800 they should be kept here even if it's against their will. 00:26:12.800 --> 00:26:15.680 Personally, I think that they should go back to Africa. 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:16.720 That's not hateful. 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.200 I think that that was where God put them. 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.400 I think that's where they were until they were plucked away against 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:23.120 their will. 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:26.320 And I think that if being surrounded by people who are not 00:26:26.320 --> 00:26:29.200 like them is bad for them, then returning to a place where 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.080 people are like them would naturally be good for them. 00:26:32.080 --> 00:26:35.920 I don't think that saying they should go back to Africa is 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.040 a matter of hate. 00:26:37.040 --> 00:26:40.800 I think it's what is the best possible thing for these people. 00:26:40.800 --> 00:26:42.240 That's my personal belief. 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:43.360 That's a policy belief. 00:26:43.360 --> 00:26:44.640 That's a political belief. 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.160 Is it a religious belief? 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:49.120 Well, it's only religio religious in the sense that I have a 00:26:49.120 --> 00:26:52.400 duty to my neighbor and to my kin, and I have a 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.520 duty to them insofar as they are my neighbors, and I think 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.480 personally that what would be best for them would be to be 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:00.480 back where God put them. 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:01.760 You can disagree. 00:27:01.760 --> 00:27:05.280 And it's okay for people to disagree about these things without saying 00:27:05.280 --> 00:27:07.440 that if you don't agree with me, you're going to hell. 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.840 I don't think if someone wants to keep Africans here, they're going 00:27:09.840 --> 00:27:10.320 to hell. 00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:11.520 I think they're wrong. 00:27:11.520 --> 00:27:15.520 I think it's worth discussion, but like this is what normal human 00:27:15.520 --> 00:27:19.760 beings can talk about when they stop damning each other and calling 00:27:19.760 --> 00:27:24.640 each other all these names that are fundamentally categorically el eliminators of 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.200 any discussion, which is why this letter was written. 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:28.960 It was written to end discussion. 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.160 Well too bad for Harrison and too bad for the Missouri Synod. 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.760 We're here to discuss. 00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:37.280 The next point in the list is anti-interracial marriage. 00:27:37.280 --> 00:27:40.640 Well again, here we we have a a moral point that's trying 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.320 to be made. 00:27:42.320 --> 00:27:47.040 Interracial marriage was literally illegal in the United States until within living 00:27:47.040 --> 00:27:52.160 memory, and it was illegal for centuries, and it was fundamentally something 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.960 that everyone thought was unnatural. 00:27:54.960 --> 00:28:00.000 I mean, there's a great video from uh Muhammad Ali when he 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.560 he was interviewed by some British guy specifically talking about interracial marriage. 00:28:04.560 --> 00:28:07.520 And the British guy, you know, was very enlightened and was was 00:28:07.520 --> 00:28:09.120 trying to browbeat him into it. 00:28:09.120 --> 00:28:13.520 And Ollie said, you know, some effect the butterflies breed with butterflies 00:28:13.600 --> 00:28:15.520 and bluebirds breed with bluebirds. 00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:19.440 And if bluebirds stop breeding with bluebirds they stop being blue and 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.400 he says that his black skin is beautiful and why wouldn't he 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.640 want his kids to look just white like him? 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.720 I find that to be completely respectable. 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.040 And when he says it because he's a black guy and because 00:28:29.040 --> 00:28:32.480 he converted Islam and because he's famous, well no one's gonna give 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.640 him too much grief, although you really upset that that uh interviewer. 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.600 But it's not a fringe belief. 00:28:39.600 --> 00:28:43.520 Even if you disagree, again, it's not a matter of damnation. 00:28:43.520 --> 00:28:48.160 And when it was illegal until within living memory, that fundamentally makes 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.520 it a matter of policy and not a matter of morality. 00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:56.160 The Missouri Senate itself not only didn't conduct interracial marriages until until 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.520 about 1959, 1960 or so, the Missouri Senate itself was segregated until 00:29:01.520 --> 00:29:03.200 within living memory. 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:08.480 So these guys want you to ignore history, to damn everyone in 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.320 history up until the 60s and then pretend like that's perfectly normal. 00:29:12.320 --> 00:29:15.280 And if anyone disagrees with that, they're going to hell. 00:29:15.280 --> 00:29:16.080 We're going to hell. 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:19.440 Corey and I are going to hell for saying, hey, what the 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.800 church did in nineteen sixty, whether it was a good policy or 00:29:22.800 --> 00:29:25.920 not, you can argue that it wasn't damnable. 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.440 And if you don't if you think it was damnable, you're condemning 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.120 everyone who handed you the faith that you pretend to carry today. 00:29:33.040 --> 00:29:38.080 This particular point was a direct response to a tweet that I 00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:43.040 made that happened to gain traction, as the winds of Twitter sometimes 00:29:43.040 --> 00:29:45.520 dictate, and that the tweet was very simple. 00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:48.960 If your children are different colors, then you were unfit for the 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.480 office of pastor. 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:52.400 And I actually did go ahead and explain this. 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.920 I explained it two different times, once in a reply to someone 00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.400 who asked me about it, once in another tweet explaining what I 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:01.840 had meant, and it's very simple. 00:30:01.840 --> 00:30:05.920 If you have children who are different colors, there are only two 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.760 ways you achieve that. 00:30:07.760 --> 00:30:10.640 One, multiple wives. 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.680 Not allowed if you're a pastor, because a pastor has to be 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.800 a man of one woman. 00:30:16.800 --> 00:30:20.880 Two, if you adopt foreign children, and I argue that is demonstrating 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.240 a lack of judgment, and under current circumstances it is most certainly 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:28.640 demonstrating a lack of judgment and a lack of judgment is disqualifying 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:30.560 for the office of pastor. 00:30:30.560 --> 00:30:36.240 And of course that completely set them off to some degree because 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:41.520 they took it to be a per se blanket condemnation of interracial 00:30:41.520 --> 00:30:44.960 marriage. Which is a point that I've never taken and an argument 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:46.480 I've never made. 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.360 Because marrying outside your race is not per se sinful. 00:30:51.360 --> 00:30:54.960 It can be sinful if your intent is sinful. 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.560 It can be sinful if it's due to a lack of judgment, 00:30:58.560 --> 00:31:01.920 if you don't take into account all of the things that flow 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.400 from that. 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.720 For instance, your children will probably not be able to get an 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.480 organ transplant, a bone marrow donation, any of a number of other 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.640 things. We discussed some of this stuff in previous episodes. 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.640 But it's worth repeating. 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.040 It is not per se sinful to marry outside your race. 00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:23.280 It can be due to other factors. 00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:25.360 It's the equivalent of 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.480 there are different kinds of defamation. 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.840 There's defamation per se, which is a statement that on its face 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:33.360 is defamatory. 00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:37.200 So for instance, if you're speaking about someone and you say 00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:42.320 that he lacks a certain attribute that is necessary for his profession, 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:47.600 that is per se defamatory because you're saying he's unfit. 00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:51.680 There's also per quod, which is defamation per quote, which means it 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:52.880 relies on facts. 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.280 It is facts-specific analysis. 00:31:55.280 --> 00:31:58.880 And so if you said something about someone that was defamatory, but 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.920 only if you understood the context in which it was stated, that's 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:02.880 per quote. 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:08.320 And so marrying outside your race can be per quote according to 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.480 the outside factors, according to the situation, the circumstances, sinful, but not 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:15.360 per se. 00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:19.040 And so that's part of why this is included in his list 00:32:19.280 --> 00:32:22.240 of alt right things that are condemned. 00:32:22.560 --> 00:32:25.680 And it's also included because both of his sons have married outside 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.840 their race, something he's very proud about. 00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:30.960 Yes, he very much has a personal stake as it 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:31.520 were. 00:32:31.520 --> 00:32:34.640 Yep. And so does Justin Panzer, one of the district presidents of 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:38.400 the Missouri Senate who on the LCMS racism page that we cited 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.040 last week, he's one of the featured highlights where he has a 00:32:41.040 --> 00:32:43.280 story about the African kid that he adopted. 00:32:43.280 --> 00:32:44.800 They've raised as his own son. 00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:47.280 There's nothing wrong with adoption, per se. 00:32:47.280 --> 00:32:50.080 Like Jesus was adopted by Joseph. 00:32:50.080 --> 00:32:50.720 We get that. 00:32:51.120 --> 00:32:52.960 We're not arguing against that. 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:59.120 And adopting the fatherless, the the parentless, is an act of love. 00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:01.440 The specifics still matter. 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.400 And over and over again, in virtually every case, when you have 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.320 a a kid from one race raised by parents of another, they 00:33:10.320 --> 00:33:12.960 almost invariably grow up to resent them. 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:18.000 Period. And being raised in a Christian household does not change that. 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.920 And frankly, it's even worse in the cases where there you have 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:26.000 interracial marriages where you have, for example, a white father or vice 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.680 versa and a black mother vice versa. 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.960 When a child doesn't know what culture they belong to, doesn't know 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.440 what nation they belong to, they're inherently alienated. 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.000 When we did the first episode on race itself in the episode 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:45.360 previously on election and the Nash Christian nationalism one, we talked about 00:33:45.360 --> 00:33:47.680 the fact that you have a people. 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.480 My people personally are predominantly English and secondarily German. 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.640 I'm almost entirely English and variants and German and variants. 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.200 Those are my people. 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.240 Do I identify with them directly? 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.080 I d identify as American because three quarters of my family was 00:34:06.080 --> 00:34:07.520 here by sixteen fifty. 00:34:07.520 --> 00:34:10.640 I don't I'm not eligible for a passport anywhere else. 00:34:10.640 --> 00:34:14.480 America is my home and American is what I am. 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:19.200 I am a product of those r nations mixing in this place. 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.640 But when the English and the Germans mixed, it was not the 00:34:22.640 --> 00:34:27.200 same as the English and the Zambezian mixing, because they share a 00:34:27.200 --> 00:34:32.720 common culture, they shared common religion, they shared common DNA until fairly 00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:35.440 recently. And the differences were minuscule. 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.360 So am I conflicted internally by being part English and German? 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.600 No. I can tell sometimes which parts are which just in my 00:34:43.600 --> 00:34:47.120 personality, but there's no inherent conflict there. 00:34:47.120 --> 00:34:49.440 That is not the case when you have a child who's a 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.000 product of a disparate interracial marriage. 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.520 Colin Kaepernick is a prime example of this. 00:34:55.520 --> 00:34:58.480 He was adopted by white parents. 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.160 Obama's another example. 00:35:00.160 --> 00:35:01.200 He's half black. 00:35:01.200 --> 00:35:03.920 You know, everyone calls Obama the first black president. 00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.080 Well, his grandparents were Irish. 00:35:06.080 --> 00:35:07.760 His mom was white. 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:12.080 So it's kind of an erasure to even deny that he had 00:35:12.080 --> 00:35:13.200 white family. 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:15.040 He was mixed race. 00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:20.800 And he chose to identify as African American because, you know, he 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:21.520 looked black. 00:35:21.520 --> 00:35:23.680 He looked like a light skinned black guy. 00:35:23.680 --> 00:35:26.240 He looked much lighter than his father. 00:35:26.240 --> 00:35:28.000 And that's usually how it works out. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:33.520 And so the problem inherent to disparate interracial marriage is not that 00:35:33.520 --> 00:35:36.160 you have necessarily done something evil, but what 00:35:37.520 --> 00:35:41.200 sort of burdens are you causing your children to inherit? 00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:43.520 Now, we're not going to make this an episode about that, and 00:35:43.520 --> 00:35:46.240 we're not making a defense of our positions one way or another. 00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:49.440 We're illustrating simply by talking about it for a few minutes that 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.960 these are discussions worth having. 00:35:51.520 --> 00:35:54.560 Maybe you disagree and you think no it's fine. 00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:59.520 Whatever. The point is that this is not impermissible for the Christian 00:35:59.520 --> 00:36:00.560 to discuss. 00:36:00.560 --> 00:36:04.000 And so for the Missouri Synod to categorically say, this is damned, 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.280 which is what they're doing here. 00:36:05.520 --> 00:36:06.640 we'll get to that in a minute. 00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:10.000 But obviously the way it was well, he said we categorically reject 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.760 the horrible and racist teachings, including anti interracial marriage. 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.440 Well, if it's a question of something that was you could go 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.600 to prison for until Georgia, Alabama would be loving. 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:22.560 Loving v. 00:36:22.560 --> 00:36:23.440 Virginia. 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:24.160 Loving v. 00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:25.120 Virginia, thank you. 00:36:25.120 --> 00:36:25.440 Um 00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:30.160 it was illegal in most states until living memory. 00:36:30.640 --> 00:36:36.240 If that is not suitable for public discussion, I don't know what 00:36:36.240 --> 00:36:40.160 is. And that's why we're talking about this. 00:36:40.160 --> 00:36:44.800 There's no situation in which a church can say that thing that 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:48.160 was normal a hundred years ago, today you go to hell if 00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:49.600 you even talk about it. 00:36:49.600 --> 00:36:51.520 That's not how Christianity works. 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:53.760 That's not how Christian brotherhood works. 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.880 I would never say to someone who disagrees with my views on 00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:00.000 these things, you're going to hell if you don't agree with me. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.760 Even if I make a scriptural case for my position, I understand 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.600 that we all live in such a propagandized world that even if 00:37:07.600 --> 00:37:10.320 someone's going to agree with me, it's gonna probably take them a 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.920 while. And that's particularly the case with interracial marriage, which by the 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.760 way, virtually never happens. 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.200 It's extremely rare. 00:37:17.200 --> 00:37:21.280 It's still, I think, well under five percent, even today, with all 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:26.400 of the pro-interracial marriage propaganda that you see everywhere, you cannot buy 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.240 stock photos or anything else. 00:37:28.240 --> 00:37:31.520 You can't see an ad or a TV show where you don't 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:32.880 see an interracial couple. 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.000 And if you think that's organic, if you think that's just it 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.200 just happened naturally because that was part of the character development of 00:37:39.200 --> 00:37:42.640 the plot, I'm sorry, but you're a fool. 00:37:42.640 --> 00:37:46.240 That is deliberate propaganda that's being put in your face to make 00:37:46.240 --> 00:37:50.160 you think something that has never existed and has never been seen 00:37:50.160 --> 00:37:52.000 as normal is now normal. 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.520 Now is normal equivalent with moral? 00:37:55.520 --> 00:37:57.280 No, I wouldn't make that case. 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.680 I think that often morality lines up with normality, but it's not 00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:03.920 a Christian case to be made for it. 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.880 It's an open question for Christians to discuss. 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.600 And it's impermissible for a Christian to say you're going to hell 00:38:09.600 --> 00:38:12.080 if you don't agree with me. 00:38:12.080 --> 00:38:15.680 Next one on this list is something we're going to may discuss 00:38:15.680 --> 00:38:18.720 in a future episode, but women is property. 00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:20.240 Well, what does that mean? 00:38:20.240 --> 00:38:24.720 It means that one property is basically the same as slavery. 00:38:24.720 --> 00:38:29.680 A slave is a particular term for a human being owning another 00:38:29.600 --> 00:38:30.640 human being. 00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:33.760 If you own a creature, if you own a pig or a 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.600 goat, that is your property that you can dispose of as you 00:38:37.600 --> 00:38:38.320 see fit. 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.080 Because it's an animal, it has no protections beyond you know the 00:38:42.080 --> 00:38:44.560 very most basic protections of law. 00:38:44.560 --> 00:38:48.400 To own a human is fundamentally what parenthood is. 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.840 When you give birth as a mother to a new child and 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.320 hand that child to the father and he cradles the child in 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.920 his arm for the first time, that is his child, that is 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.560 her child, that is their property. 00:39:00.560 --> 00:39:02.960 Is that is that defamatory? 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.920 Is that something that degrades the child. 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:07.760 No, that child is a treasure. 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.480 That child, especially the firstborn child, is the most precious treasure in 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.400 the lives of those parents. 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:18.880 To have that child as their own is the most incredible gift 00:39:19.680 --> 00:39:22.640 and responsibility that they will ever receive. 00:39:22.640 --> 00:39:25.200 And so we don't think about that in terms of property, but 00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:26.800 that's absolutely what it is. 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.880 And in fact that's something the the state is actively seeking to 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.200 encroach on today to say that, well, if your child at three 00:39:35.200 --> 00:39:38.720 years wants to if your boy wants to put on a tutu, 00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:41.120 we're gonna take him away from you if you don't let 'em 00:39:41.120 --> 00:39:46.240 get put on hormone replacement therapy, so that he becomes a girl, 00:39:46.240 --> 00:39:47.040 quote unquote. 00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:48.000 There's no such thing. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.120 But you can absolutely mutilate and destroy a child. 00:39:51.120 --> 00:39:56.240 So the idea that a child belongs to his parents is perfectly 00:39:56.240 --> 00:39:57.360 normal to us. 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.400 It's something libertarians kind of have a problem with, but that's part 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.440 of why we're having these problems today is that there's so much 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:07.920 libertarian thought that's pervading everything in in Western culture. 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:08.720 Well except maybe 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.600 Rothbard, but for different reasons. 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:18.560 Yeah. When slaves are owned, that means that there's a master and 00:40:18.560 --> 00:40:19.200 there's a slave. 00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:21.840 The master purchases a human being and owns them. 00:40:22.240 --> 00:40:26.560 and is responsible for them, twenty four seven, for clothing, for feeding, 00:40:26.560 --> 00:40:28.800 for their health, for everything. 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:34.000 And scripture is clear that slave owners are not to mistreat their 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.920 slaves. They are to be kind masters, they're to take care of 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:38.880 all their needs. 00:40:39.200 --> 00:40:41.600 We're not going to talk about the policies, but simply the fact 00:40:41.600 --> 00:40:48.320 that someone would be owned by someone else isn't foreign to Christianity. 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:48.720 So So 00:40:49.600 --> 00:40:54.240 the question of women as property is is another one where they're 00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:57.440 trying to m say something that's completely anti-feminist. 00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.800 You know, Walther said that feminism was coming if we go down 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.000 the road of abolitionism. 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:03.440 He was absolutely right. 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.240 What do you do? 00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:08.000 You have you have anti-slavery, you have abolitionism, and then what comes 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.160 next? Women's liberation. 00:41:10.160 --> 00:41:12.080 Well, liberation from what? 00:41:12.080 --> 00:41:14.000 Women were liberated from men. 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.640 They were liberated from patriarchy. 00:41:16.640 --> 00:41:22.640 Because prior to that movement that caused legal changes in the twentieth 00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:26.240 century in America and other countries, a woman 00:41:27.200 --> 00:41:31.440 was in the custody of her husband or of her father. 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.200 And we see this even to this day in the forum of 00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:39.200 Western marriages, where although it's now considered pro forma and kind of, 00:41:39.200 --> 00:41:42.160 you know, if it's done, maybe it's trad, but it doesn't serve 00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:43.920 any real purpose. 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.880 But it used to be a very significant thing for a suitor 00:41:49.040 --> 00:41:53.600 to approach the father and ask his permission for his daughter's hand 00:41:53.600 --> 00:41:54.800 in marriage. 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.960 And the hand in marriage thing is important too because when the 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.960 wedding ceremony takes place, even today it's the norm for the father 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:06.560 of the bride to walk her up the aisle and then to 00:42:06.560 --> 00:42:10.080 hand her hand to her groom. 00:42:10.080 --> 00:42:13.440 Now, today we just sort of see these as kind of cute 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:18.720 traditions, but historically and legally, that was a transfer of title. 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:23.040 That was that was an actual legal transaction. 00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:28.640 Now, it's not like someone selling his infant to someone else, it's 00:42:28.640 --> 00:42:32.880 about a father saying, I was the head of this girl. 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.880 I am transferring headship to this man who will now be her 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.560 husband, and who will be her head in my stead and in 00:42:40.560 --> 00:42:41.360 God's stead. 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.080 And the husband becomes the primary head of the woman. 00:42:44.080 --> 00:42:48.240 And scripture talks a great length about the manner in which the 00:42:48.240 --> 00:42:52.960 husband of a wife is her head, not to be domineering, but 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.240 to be a head, to be that who dis the one who 00:42:56.240 --> 00:43:00.560 decides, who protects, who defends, and if necessary who will sacrifice for 00:43:00.560 --> 00:43:07.520 her. So the notion of title being transferred doesn't imply something disposable. 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.280 We're not talking about a goat. 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.320 You know, when I used that that example earlier, it wasn't to 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:18.080 compare children or wives or daughters to livestock, but it's to say 00:43:18.080 --> 00:43:22.880 that the custody and the care of someone is fundamentally Christian in 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.800 the very most basic way. 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.200 And so for a church to say women as property is evil 00:43:29.520 --> 00:43:32.400 flies in the face of virtually all of human history. 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:34.640 And I think that's something we need to be concerned about. 00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:35.280 Of 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.360 course it also ignores the tenth commandment, in which women are listed 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.920 along with other property. 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:46.400 And it's worth highlighting something here that sometimes comes up. 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.960 It's in relation to both this point and the slavery point. 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:56.000 At some point, someone decided it was a good argument to say 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:01.920 that southern slavery and some others is worthy of particular condemnation, was 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:07.440 particularly evil because it was chattel slavery. 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:11.040 And I won't go so far as to say that's a completely 00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:15.040 ridiculous term, but it is almost always a completely ridiculous term. 00:44:15.040 --> 00:44:16.480 And the reason for that is simple. 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.160 In property law, there are two kinds of property. 00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:24.800 We're going to ignore intellectual property, see previous episode for why. 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.320 There's real property, which is land, basically, and things that are very 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.720 attached to the land more or less. 00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:34.480 And then there's chattel property. 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.840 Chattel property is anything that isn't real property. 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.400 So the pen I'm holding, my chattel property, the microphone I'm using, 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:46.000 chattel property, slaves, chattel property. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.840 That's just what they are. 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.680 And so the only time where you could use chattel slavery to 00:44:51.680 --> 00:44:56.160 actually have meaning would be if you are differentiating it from, say, 00:44:56.160 --> 00:45:00.640 the practice of some of the Greek city-states, Sparta, particularly, where the 00:45:00.640 --> 00:45:02.480 state owned all the slaves. 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.080 And so they were more state property, but they're still chattel property, 00:45:06.080 --> 00:45:10.800 they're just chattel property of the state instead of personal chattel property. 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.680 And so when someone uses that term 00:45:14.720 --> 00:45:18.240 he is attempting to mislead you, he probably doesn't realize he's doing 00:45:18.240 --> 00:45:20.880 it because he probably doesn't Don't know what the term means. 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.680 And so if you're talking about chattels, it's just a term for 00:45:23.680 --> 00:45:24.480 personal property. 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.280 That's all it means. 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.120 It's a legal term of art. 00:45:27.120 --> 00:45:32.000 It's not a significant ideological argument when someone says, oh, it was 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.800 chattel slavery in the South, and so then it was evil because 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.600 of that. 00:45:35.600 --> 00:45:39.520 No, that's just someone who doesn't know what terms mean. 00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:44.160 But again, to return to the point that women are listed in 00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:50.240 the tenth commandment, along with other property, because the second table is 00:45:50.240 --> 00:45:53.760 dealing largely in property rights, if we want to go so far 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.520 as to say your life is a property interest and therefore the 00:45:57.520 --> 00:46:00.880 fifth commandment is also Is also a property matter. 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.200 But the second table is dealing with property. 00:46:05.200 --> 00:46:09.760 And so to say that someone is property is not to denigrate 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.640 the person, is not to insult the person, is not to demean 00:46:12.720 --> 00:46:14.640 or call the person less than human. 00:46:14.640 --> 00:46:16.880 That's not what is being said. 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:21.680 Owning another person does not fundamentally change the nature of that person. 00:46:21.680 --> 00:46:25.440 It changes that person's relation to you, the person's relation to the 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.520 laws, to the state, perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.440 he is a human being, and at least insofar as he's a 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:37.280 Christian, he is in the image of God, that image being restored 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:38.880 and regeneration. 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.960 And so the whole point of this argument is to make you 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.400 just think, oh, calling someone property is a horrible, wicked thing, and 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.640 they want to use and abuse them. 00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:54.000 And really that reveals something about the nature and the disposition, the 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.560 personality of the person making the argument. 00:46:56.560 --> 00:46:58.160 I don't abuse my property. 00:46:58.160 --> 00:46:59.440 I don't beat my dog. 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:03.120 I don't I don't even I don't abuse any of my property. 00:47:03.120 --> 00:47:04.720 I don't abuse my animals. 00:47:04.720 --> 00:47:07.760 I treat them quite nicely, I give them treats, my chickens get 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.440 treats all the time. 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:11.680 I go out of my way not to walk on patches of 00:47:11.680 --> 00:47:15.040 clover because I like to keep the flowers alive for the bees. 00:47:15.040 --> 00:47:18.800 That's just the kind of person I am, and so to me 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:23.040 the idea that property means something that you would destroy is absurd. 00:47:23.040 --> 00:47:24.880 I wouldn't do that. 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.520 But it sort of reveals something about the kind of person who 00:47:27.520 --> 00:47:28.880 would make that argument. 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.080 Saying that a woman is property 00:47:31.120 --> 00:47:36.480 is a recognition of the proper relationship of her father to her 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.880 or her husband to her. 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.480 It's not saying anything about her value or what she is or 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:43.680 should be. 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.360 And of course, part of the reason, as mentioned that this is 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.160 included here, is that it flies in the face of feminism, and 00:47:50.160 --> 00:47:54.640 feminism is one of the modern idols, one of the modern religions 00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:55.760 of our world. 00:47:56.080 --> 00:47:59.200 We will put a link in the show notes to the Wikipedia 00:47:59.200 --> 00:48:03.840 article on coverture, which was the English common law doctrine related to 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.040 the manner in which a woman was the property of either her 00:48:07.040 --> 00:48:08.880 husband or her father. 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:09.840 This is not 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.560 it's not a matter of dispute. 00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:16.480 So if if it's a moral matter, then the church is saying 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.880 that either morality changed or everyone before the late nineteenth century was 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.800 immoral. And if you push these men, that's what they'll say. 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.480 They'll say everybody was evil in virtually all of human history until 00:48:28.640 --> 00:48:30.880 us. We are the enlightened generation. 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.360 We are freed from the shackles of these evil. 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.320 That's really what this whole press release is about. 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.200 It's an announcement of a new religion. 00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:41.760 And we'll get to that towards the end, but this is fundament 00:48:42.160 --> 00:48:44.320 this is a religion that they're describing. 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:48.000 Like we're not we're when they're saying that these things are doctrinal 00:48:48.560 --> 00:48:52.400 and we're saying that they're not, we're not disputing that they're not 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:53.600 religious doctrines. 00:48:53.600 --> 00:48:56.960 We're disputing that they're Christian doctrine because they're not. 00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.160 Nothing in here has any nexus to Christianity. 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.960 It is, however, a satanic religion that is being placed over the 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.000 church to this way. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:11.200 Like this press release wouldn't exist if there were not demons controlling 00:49:11.200 --> 00:49:14.560 what the Missouri Senate is doing. 00:49:14.560 --> 00:49:18.080 The next name that they give is fascism, you know, which is 00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:22.160 obviously one of the biggest, most terrifying, scary words you can use. 00:49:22.160 --> 00:49:27.920 If you see someone online using the word fascist They're almost always 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:34.640 a pedophile, uh communist, uh sodomite, you know, all three is very 00:49:34.640 --> 00:49:35.760 common as well. 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.720 Those are the people who are freaking out about fascists. 00:49:38.720 --> 00:49:41.680 Oh, and also a lot of Christians now are freaking out about 00:49:41.680 --> 00:49:44.000 fascists. Why do you think that is? 00:49:44.160 --> 00:49:46.560 Regardless of what the term is, if even if you don't know 00:49:46.560 --> 00:49:49.440 what it means, if you know nothing about it or its history 00:49:49.600 --> 00:49:52.960 or what might be embodied by any notion of some sort of 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.560 ideology and this is one that's actually an ideology, so I'll give 00:49:56.560 --> 00:49:59.440 him credit for the headline saying ideologies. 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:05.280 If all of your bedmates are the very most worst evil reprehensible 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.800 human beings on the planet, are you gonna join hand in hand 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.120 with them and saying, yeah, I get those fascists, we gotta kill 00:50:11.120 --> 00:50:13.360 them. Well, the Missouri Senate is. 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:20.720 The Missouri Senate is actively coordinating with and promoting Antifa, literal anti-fascist 00:50:20.720 --> 00:50:23.040 communists against us personally. 00:50:23.040 --> 00:50:25.360 They've coordinating a doxing campaign. 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:27.600 They're seeking our physical destruction. 00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:29.920 Again, for the Stone Choir podcast. 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.480 We'll talk about that more in the future elsewhere, but I think 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.560 it's important that when Harrison and all the VPs and all the 00:50:36.560 --> 00:50:42.320 DPs of Senate say that they condemn hat fascism, they're aligning with 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.480 the world, regardless of what the word means. 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.080 I don't even care what the word means. 00:50:46.080 --> 00:50:50.400 The fact that they would attack it in lockstep is fundamentally in 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.040 alignment with the spirit of this age. 00:50:53.120 --> 00:50:53.360 I 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.760 think it's worth mentioning quickly a little more about just exactly what 00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:59.520 Antifa is. 00:50:59.520 --> 00:51:03.440 Because some listeners and particularly older listeners are not going to have 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.560 a great idea about Antifa. 00:51:06.560 --> 00:51:10.880 You're going to have a mental image of someone clad in black 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:16.080 protesting against, you know, capital Capitalism, most likely, you're going to have 00:51:16.080 --> 00:51:17.120 that sort of view. 00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:21.600 Possibly some violence, probably throwing Molotovs, things like that. 00:51:21.600 --> 00:51:24.160 That's part of the way there. 00:51:24.160 --> 00:51:30.240 What Antifa actually is, it started off in Germany, and it started 00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:34.000 off as the militant wing of the Communist Party. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:40.560 It's antifascistic action, anti fascist action, which basically just means they are 00:51:40.560 --> 00:51:45.280 the street thugs who beat up people, kill people in the streets 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:51.120 because that was definitely happening quite frequently in Germany in that era, 00:51:51.120 --> 00:51:56.160 they were the street level violence against anyone who opposed the Marxist 00:51:56.160 --> 00:52:00.800 revolution. And that's the same thing they are today. 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.240 They are the point of the spear, the tip of the spear, 00:52:04.240 --> 00:52:04.880 as it were. 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.360 They are the individuals who go out and agitate in the street 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:14.240 and attack people and attempt to bring about the Marxist revolution. 00:52:14.720 --> 00:52:16.960 That is their role, that is what they're doing. 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:21.360 The actual people organizing the revolution and such are elsewhere. 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:26.160 They don't do the street level violence on the left side typically. 00:52:26.160 --> 00:52:28.240 But that's what Antifa is. 00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:34.720 It is a wicked, evil, communist, atheist, anti Christian organization. 00:52:34.720 --> 00:52:39.040 In particular in Germany, they like to target the clergy. 00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:42.800 And undoubtedly they will start doing that more actively here, unless of 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.160 course the clergy continue to support them, in which case they'll wait 00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:46.640 a little while. 00:52:46.640 --> 00:52:49.120 They'll get around to it because they always do. 00:52:49.120 --> 00:52:52.560 You don't survive the revolution by bending the knee to it, as 00:52:52.560 --> 00:52:55.600 history makes very clear. 00:52:55.600 --> 00:52:59.440 But that's what we're dealing with when we talk about Antifa. 00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:04.240 And that is what is in view here when so called fascism 00:53:04.240 --> 00:53:05.520 is condemned. 00:53:05.520 --> 00:53:09.600 Not one of the men who uses this as a pejorative would 00:53:09.600 --> 00:53:12.720 be able to actually define what fascism is, and part of that 00:53:12.720 --> 00:53:16.160 is that fascism is an umbrella term. 00:53:16.160 --> 00:53:20.320 Fascism really just means authoritarian right wing. 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.520 So not libertarian right wing, but authoritarian right wing. 00:53:23.520 --> 00:53:25.200 I have an article on this, I will link it in the 00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:26.080 show notes. 00:53:26.080 --> 00:53:31.600 If you're listening to this podcast, you are definitionally a fascist. 00:53:31.600 --> 00:53:36.400 You may not know it, but you are, because you support things 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:42.080 that are authoritarian and right wing, like marriage being between one man 00:53:42.080 --> 00:53:49.440 and one woman, like controlling hard drugs, like outlawing prostitution, 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.200 like banning pornography. 00:53:51.200 --> 00:53:54.320 These are all fascist positions. 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.840 And so when the term fascism is used, what they want you 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:04.720 to do Is blanket condemn all of these authoritarian right-wing positions. 00:54:04.720 --> 00:54:08.240 So what they're getting you to do is condemn yourself without knowing 00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:10.400 that's what you're doing. 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:11.760 And that's all fascism means. 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:16.560 Fascism, it's not used in the technical sense anymore of being an 00:54:16.560 --> 00:54:21.360 authoritarian right-wing Italian movement in the 30s, well, 20s and 30s. 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.480 No one means that anymore. 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.560 It just means authoritarian right-wing. 00:54:24.560 --> 00:54:29.360 It's that entire upper right quadrant of the political grid. 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.600 And so that is what's being done here. 00:54:31.600 --> 00:54:34.560 The goal is to get you to agree with it and condemn 00:54:34.560 --> 00:54:38.560 yourself and condemn all of your ancestors and everything the church has 00:54:38.560 --> 00:54:42.240 stood for throughout time without realizing it. 00:54:42.240 --> 00:54:45.520 Except you should realize it because you're agreeing with the Marxists when 00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:46.000 you do 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:47.120 it. And 00:54:47.120 --> 00:54:49.440 if you knew nothing else, that would be sufficient. 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.760 That's one of the points we've made over and over again. 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:56.000 What's the genealogy of the idea that you are subscribing to? 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.560 The reason we did that as one of the very first episodes 00:54:58.720 --> 00:55:03.600 is it's such a seminal feature of confronting evil in the world. 00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:08.320 Cause evil in the world first begins with arguments and then begins 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:09.520 with actions. 00:55:09.520 --> 00:55:14.080 And when the arguments are being made by men like Harrison here, 00:55:14.080 --> 00:55:17.760 they're being made in terms that are designed to scare you and 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.480 to box you into a corner and to condemn yourself, as Corey 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.080 said. And then they have you. 00:55:24.080 --> 00:55:26.720 Then you've bent the knee and you've offered the pinch of incense 00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.320 in the new religion that you're suddenly finding yourself subscribing to 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.160 puts what you thought you wanted to believe in the rearview mirror, 00:55:34.160 --> 00:55:36.480 but you bent the knee, so how do you how do you 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.600 get back up off your knees to go find the true God 00:55:39.680 --> 00:55:41.120 to kneel before him? 00:55:41.120 --> 00:55:43.120 Most Most men aren't equipped for it. 00:55:43.120 --> 00:55:46.080 They will just go down the path and not even look back 00:55:46.240 --> 00:55:50.560 because the the psychic cost, the personal cost of s realizing I 00:55:50.560 --> 00:55:53.920 have made a mistake and who I've made my my stable mates 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.000 here is is more than most men can bear. 00:55:56.240 --> 00:56:00.480 They'd rather dance with the one that brought them. 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.680 The second last 00:56:02.560 --> 00:56:08.880 item in this list of uh horrible racist teachings that Harrison condemns 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:13.840 is I think probably the most important because is a direct condemnation 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:14.800 of God. 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.360 It is a literal damnation of the God of Scripture. 00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:23.760 Harrison says we categorically reject the horrible and racist teachings of the 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.840 so called alt right, including death for homosexuals. 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:31.040 Now, I've never said that anywhere online because I know that I 00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:32.000 would get banned. 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:33.120 I don't think it. 00:56:33.120 --> 00:56:36.080 I personally it's not something that I would pursue. 00:56:36.080 --> 00:56:38.240 And when we talk about the left hand and the right hand 00:56:38.240 --> 00:56:40.560 kingdom, that's what we're talking about. 00:56:40.560 --> 00:56:47.360 When we as individuals prescribe any sort of policy, we're not saying 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.720 we're going to go do this, because that would be illegitimate. 00:56:50.720 --> 00:56:54.480 It is for the godly prince to uphold godly laws. 00:56:54.480 --> 00:57:00.400 So when Harrison says death for homosexuals is fundamentally evil, he's not 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.360 talking about the God of the Bible. 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:07.200 Here's what the God of the Bible says If a man lies 00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:10.480 with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.680 an abomination, they shall surely be put to death. 00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:16.640 Their blood is upon them. 00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:17.760 That's God. 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.840 That is the triune God. 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.520 Now, the trick that these Marcionites will play, like Harrison and the 00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.400 rest of the LCMS, he'll say, Oh, that was the God of 00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:30.240 the Old Testament, the God of the New Testament doesn't do that. 00:57:30.240 --> 00:57:33.280 Oh, so God changes. 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.640 God was the same yesterday, but today he's different. 00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:38.400 Is he going to be different tomorrow? 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.360 Is that the God that is described in scripture? 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.120 Absolutely not. 00:57:43.120 --> 00:57:47.520 For Harrison to say that anyone, regardless of saying that we did 00:57:47.520 --> 00:57:50.080 it, which we didn't, it would be stupid to say it and 00:57:50.080 --> 00:57:53.200 we don't think it, but even the the mere fact that 00:57:54.160 --> 00:57:59.440 he would condemn this as evil demonstrates that Matt Harrison is not 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.880 a Christian and that this religion that he is describing is an 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:04.640 anti Christ religion. 00:58:04.720 --> 00:58:04.800 I 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:06.000 guess it is worth pointing out 00:58:07.040 --> 00:58:12.000 that there's just an additional little layer of ridiculousness in the arguments 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:17.440 he's making here, because the ideologies that are being condemned, the ideologies 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.440 of the so called are alt right, are described as horrible and 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:27.120 racist. Last I checked homosexual's not a race. 00:58:27.120 --> 00:58:29.760 But apparently he needs an editor. 00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:30.000 He 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:31.120 needs more than that. 00:58:31.120 --> 00:58:35.440 He also needs a historian because uh once again, you know, we've 00:58:35.680 --> 00:58:38.720 you you'll notice this is a recurring theme where we'll have a 00:58:38.720 --> 00:58:43.600 church saying something with absolute moral authority, d declaring up and down 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.480 you'll go to hell if you don't believe this thing. 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:48.560 And if you look and say, well, did they believe that a 00:58:48.560 --> 00:58:50.480 hundred years ago, two hundred years ago? 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.000 It all falls apart. 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.920 They will try to point to proof text in scripture, ignoring the 00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:00.800 ones that repudiate their own views, and they'll ignore the entirety of 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.960 the Christian church history. 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.440 In fifteen thirty three, King Henry VIII passed what was called the 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:08.720 Buggery Act. 00:59:08.720 --> 00:59:13.360 It was the country's first civil sodomy law, such offences having previously 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.560 been dealt with by the ecclesiastical courts. 00:59:16.560 --> 00:59:22.320 Buggery in England remained a capital offense until eighteen sixty one. 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:26.160 So what that means is that for hundreds and in fact thousands 00:59:26.240 --> 00:59:31.120 of years, it was common for homosexuals, which is a novel term 00:59:31.120 --> 00:59:36.160 itself, sodomite is really the more appropriate term, homosexual is a psychological 00:59:36.160 --> 00:59:40.960 term that was adopted basically as part of moving from sodomite to 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:42.400 homosexual to gay. 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.760 Now it's just, you know, someone has a different sexuality. 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:48.000 That's, you know, that's their own personal business. 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.520 That was a very deliberate transition. 00:59:49.520 --> 00:59:52.240 That trajectory was framing. 00:59:52.240 --> 00:59:55.360 It was it was taking the frame of sodomite, turning into the 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:58.320 frame of homosexual where it's a psychological thing, and it's gay. 00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:59.680 We're all it's a lifestyle. 00:59:59.680 --> 01:00:02.480 And suddenly well you're boxed in as a Christian because how can 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:08.480 you possibly think that a godly prince would execute sodomites when godly 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.480 princes have been doing it for thousands of years and God himself 01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:15.040 commanded it to his own people. 01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:18.720 Now Corey and I are not returning to we're not arguing for 01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:21.040 a return to Levitical Law. 01:00:21.040 --> 01:00:25.840 The narrow point to be accepted here is that when a man 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:31.200 like Matt Harrison says the death for sodomites is itself sin, and 01:00:31.200 --> 01:00:35.920 God says you shall put them to death. 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:38.160 Harrison is antichrist. 01:00:38.160 --> 01:00:39.680 He is not speaking about God. 01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:43.120 He is speaking against God in God's stead. 01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:44.880 And we'll get to some of the places where he makes it 01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.560 very explicit that he's speaking in God's stead when he damns God 01:00:48.560 --> 01:00:50.000 for what God said. 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.640 And the history of of the sodomy laws goes on. 01:00:53.520 --> 01:00:58.320 Once again, uh the history of these laws pops up just changing 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.000 during the French Revolution. 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:06.080 In 1791, the National Constituent Assembly abolished the laws against homosexuality as 01:01:06.080 --> 01:01:11.200 part of adopting a new legal code without the influence of Christianity. 01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:13.680 Well, that's what the LCMS is today. 01:01:13.680 --> 01:01:16.800 It is a church without the influence of Christianity. 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:20.560 When the the president and every vice president and every district president 01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:25.840 signs this press release that condemns those who would say that as 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.760 a matter of policy it is acceptable for a godly prince to 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:35.600 execute sodomites, they are standing in opposition to God and to his 01:01:35.680 --> 01:01:37.680 church and to his throne. 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:42.000 Additionally, we have a comment from Luther that I want to read 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:49.040 here about the issue of sodomy, homosexuality, just to highlight 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:53.360 how society felt about the issue in his time. 01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.600 And this is from Luther's commentary on Genesis, in particular Genesis nineteen 01:01:57.680 --> 01:02:01.760 nineteen, of course dealing with Sodom and Gomorrah, I for my part 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:05.680 do not enjoy dealing with this passage, because so far the ears 01:02:05.680 --> 01:02:11.040 of the Germans are innocent and uncontaminated by this monstrous depravity, for 01:02:11.040 --> 01:02:14.880 even though disgrace, like other sins, has crept in through an ungodly 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.080 soldier and a lewd merchant, still the rest of the people are 01:02:18.080 --> 01:02:20.640 unaware of what is being done in secret. 01:02:20.640 --> 01:02:24.320 The Carthusian monks deserve to be hated because they were the first 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:29.680 to bring this terrible pollution into Germany from the monasteries of Italy. 01:02:29.680 --> 01:02:34.320 And so in Luther's day, this was so unknown that he didn't 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:38.800 even want to discuss Genesis 19 because of how reprehensible the behavior 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:40.320 in it is. 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:45.040 And now today basically our entire society has accepted it, and now 01:02:45.040 --> 01:02:45.680 we have 01:02:46.640 --> 01:02:51.760 Matt Harrison advancing this very same agenda in the very same way 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.160 it was advanced in our society generally. 01:02:54.640 --> 01:02:58.080 I want to read a a couple more brief clips from uh 01:02:58.080 --> 01:03:01.760 Wikipedia just to give you a sense of historical frame of how 01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:06.480 not only anti-Christian Harrison's claims are, but how fundamentally at odds with 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.560 American history they are. 01:03:08.560 --> 01:03:12.480 Documented executions for sodomy began in sixteen twenty four. 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.400 The Massachusetts Bay General Court was the first to officially outlaw sodomy 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:18.400 in 1631. 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:22.880 The first documented conviction for lesbian behavior in America took place in 01:03:23.040 --> 01:03:28.480 1649 with the arrest and execution of Sarah Norman and Mary Hammond. 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:33.600 In seventeen fourteen, sodomy laws were established across the early colonies in 01:03:33.600 --> 01:03:35.440 any colonial militia. 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.640 The laws were not abolished until nineteen twenty five. 01:03:38.640 --> 01:03:42.560 And in fact, prior to nineteen sixty two, sodomy was a felony 01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:43.200 in every state 01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:49.280 punished by a lengthy term of imprisonment and or hard labor. 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:50.400 So look again. 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.520 You have the French Revolution and you have nineteen sixty two. 01:03:53.520 --> 01:03:57.280 How often does the French Revolution in the nineteen sixties pop up 01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:58.320 in our episodes. 01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.960 We should really have a little counter with each episode for w 01:04:01.120 --> 01:04:03.440 when those come up, 'cause it's nearly all of them. 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:05.280 So I guess it might be redundant. 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.080 But these things that we're battling in the church today, and this 01:04:08.080 --> 01:04:10.240 is not this is not an LCMS problem, this is the whole 01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:16.560 church. Because it's Satan's culture is informing our morality. 01:04:16.560 --> 01:04:18.960 And that's fundamentally what's going on here. 01:04:19.200 --> 01:04:20.880 Harrison has morals. 01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:24.240 He has very deeply held moral convictions. 01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:26.160 They are Satan's morality. 01:04:26.160 --> 01:04:28.400 These are teachings of demons. 01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:32.080 Because what does Harrison and the LCMS want you to believe as 01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:32.880 a Christian? 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.320 He wants you to believe that if something is a sin, a 01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:40.720 sin against God, that it can't be illegal. 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:43.040 how does that work? 01:04:43.040 --> 01:04:46.720 As a civil society in the in the left-hand kingdom, how does 01:04:46.720 --> 01:04:52.960 it work when the church starts declaring that sins, serious sins, are 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.400 not to be considered criminal matters? 01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.720 What that is what is happening is Satan is cutting off Christ's 01:05:00.720 --> 01:05:03.760 left hand, or he's trying to tie it behind his back. 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.760 And Matt Harrison, the Antichrist and the LCMS is trying to help 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:11.040 him by saying, Oh no, these these sins are that's just a 01:05:11.040 --> 01:05:12.240 speck in your neighbor's eye. 01:05:12.560 --> 01:05:13.200 don't look there. 01:05:13.200 --> 01:05:15.840 That's something that we just we have to we have to love 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.320 them back to Christ and they're never gonna change. 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.880 'Cause that's what it says in in the large cataclysm with the 01:05:21.120 --> 01:05:26.400 annotations, that these people will never be sanctified from this evil nature. 01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:30.000 And you certainly can't punish them because you could try to love 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:30.960 them to Jesus. 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:36.480 Well, once again, these are moral matters and they're policy matters. 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:40.160 Even if you disagree with us, even if you think the sodomy 01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:44.640 should not return to being illegal as it has always been, you 01:05:44.640 --> 01:05:50.320 cannot contend that someone who believes that is committing a sin. 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:51.680 You simply can't. 01:05:51.680 --> 01:05:55.280 It must necessarily be a disagreement. 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.840 It must be a matter of opinion. 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.520 I think is a moral matter that it is in fact sin 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:06.240 to say that things that are sinful can never can't be illegal, 01:06:06.240 --> 01:06:08.400 but I'm not gonna say you go to hell if you disagree 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:08.960 with me. 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:09.920 I just think it's wrong. 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.840 I think it's a dangerous and potentially deadly error, as we're seeing 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.600 here. Because this is this is all about the slippery slope. 01:06:17.600 --> 01:06:22.080 This is Harrison and the LCMS saying, We're just gonna keep chipping 01:06:22.080 --> 01:06:25.760 away at God's law until there's nothing left, until all we have 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.640 is the gospel, all we have is love. 01:06:28.640 --> 01:06:31.680 Well, they had love in the 60s too. 01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:33.280 They didn't need Jesus to have love. 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:36.560 And that's that's where Harrison is taking the church. 01:06:36.560 --> 01:06:38.800 It's where the LCMS and all of its DPs and all of 01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:42.400 its VPs are taking the church to say that, you know what, 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.400 as long as we love these people, we'll try to get around 01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:46.160 to the Jesus stuff labor. 01:06:46.160 --> 01:06:47.440 It's not gonna work. 01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:51.840 This is also for Lutherans directly against our confessions. 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:56.800 In multiple places in the confessions, we affirm, and the princes who 01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:01.280 signed our confessions affirmed, that it is the duty of those who 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.800 rule in the left hand kingdom to ensure that right doctrine is 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:06.640 taught in their lands. 01:07:06.640 --> 01:07:10.000 That is throughout the Book of Concord, that is the confession of 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:13.920 Lutherans. And so as Lutherans we are bound by this. 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:19.120 There are others who may disagree because their confession doesn't include this. 01:07:19.120 --> 01:07:23.520 But for our part, for Lutherans, we are bound to hold that 01:07:23.520 --> 01:07:26.880 it is the duty of the godly prince to see that right 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:31.360 doctrine is taught in his lands and that God's word is upheld. 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:35.120 And just for instance, in the preface to the Book of Concord, 01:07:35.120 --> 01:07:38.960 it is In regard to these matters, as we have mentioned above, 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:43.200 it has always been our purpose that in our lands, dominions, schools, 01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:48.240 and churches, no other doctrine be proclaimed, and accurately set forth, than 01:07:48.240 --> 01:07:51.360 that which is founded upon the Word of God, and contained in 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:56.000 the Augsburg Confession and the Apology, and that too, when understood properly 01:07:56.080 --> 01:08:00.560 in its genuine sense, and that opinions conflicting with these be not 01:08:00.560 --> 01:08:05.280 admitted, and indeed, with this design, this formula of agreement was begun 01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.200 and completed. 01:08:07.200 --> 01:08:11.040 That's from the preface to the Book of Concord, and we have 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:17.360 electors, princes, and others who signed these documents and put their lives 01:08:17.360 --> 01:08:21.040 very much on the line to uphold this, that is the position 01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:26.400 of Lutherans down through the centuries, except apparently the LCMS today. 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.000 So to round out the the first paragraph here, we're gonna go 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.080 a lot quicker through the rest as we promised. 01:08:32.080 --> 01:08:37.200 The very last thing that Harrison's LCMS condemns is even genocide, which 01:08:37.280 --> 01:08:38.960 honest face is a bald face lie. 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.680 Neither of us have ever said anything about genocide. 01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:46.080 Nobody that I've ever seen anywhere in our sphere, which is again 01:08:46.160 --> 01:08:47.520 fundamentally what he's talking about. 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.320 Like, see, these guys are too chicken to name names. 01:08:50.320 --> 01:08:52.720 And part of that is they don't want to face a libel 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.600 suit for what would be actionable. 01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.960 But they're absolutely talking about us, and we'll we'll demonstrate that in 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:00.400 when we get to the rest of this. 01:09:00.400 --> 01:09:04.320 But for them to condemn genocide is also an explicit condemnation of 01:09:04.320 --> 01:09:10.080 scripture. Genocide is the slaughter of a people, of a nation. 01:09:10.080 --> 01:09:12.320 Geno, like genome. 01:09:12.320 --> 01:09:16.400 It's the same root that we talked about in the nations episode. 01:09:16.400 --> 01:09:18.160 It's talking about a race. 01:09:18.160 --> 01:09:21.760 It's talking about the extermination of a race, which is interesting because 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:25.840 they also simultaneously say that race doesn't exist, but I guess race 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.000 can exist if someone's trying to exterminate one. 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:29.920 I'm not sure how you figure out what a race is if 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:34.160 they're not real, but anyway, he's explicitly condemning scripture yet again. 01:09:34.160 --> 01:09:36.800 Here's what Samuel fifteen says. 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:40.480 Thus says the Lord of Hosts, I have noted what Amalek did 01:09:40.480 --> 01:09:43.120 to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up 01:09:43.120 --> 01:09:44.000 out of Egypt. 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.760 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.680 have, do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child 01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:55.440 and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. 01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:59.520 And in Joshua ten, so this is this is a separate incident, 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:03.200 so Joshua struck the whole land, the hill country and the Negr 01:10:03.280 --> 01:10:07.280 Negeb, and the lowland and the slopes, and all their kings, he 01:10:07.280 --> 01:10:12.400 left none remaining, but devoted to destruction, all the breathed, just as 01:10:12.400 --> 01:10:15.360 the Lord God of Israel commanded. 01:10:15.360 --> 01:10:18.720 Now these aren't the only two only two places what what today 01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:21.840 the UN would call genocide occurred in Scripture. 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:23.280 It was routine that when God 01:10:24.320 --> 01:10:29.760 condemned a nation, he would send its enemies to slaughter them wholesale. 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:31.600 That was God's will. 01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.440 So on one hand, neither Cory nor I know any nor anyone 01:10:35.440 --> 01:10:39.440 I've ever seen has ever advocated for the genocide of anyone. 01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:46.400 But separately, even if that were done, it cannot be condemned morally. 01:10:46.400 --> 01:10:47.680 God did it. 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:49.760 And see this is one of the tricks that they'll play yet 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:52.800 again. These Marcionites who will deny that the God of the Old 01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:56.240 Testament is the God of the New Testament, they will say, Well, 01:10:56.240 --> 01:10:59.680 that was Old Testament, and so that was the wrath God, but 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.400 then Jesus was born and now we have the love God. 01:11:02.400 --> 01:11:04.000 And they worship the love God. 01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:04.640 And that's true. 01:11:05.120 --> 01:11:07.920 they do worship a love god, but it is not the triune 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.440 God, because the God of the Old Testament is the eternal God. 01:11:11.440 --> 01:11:14.080 If you had only one, you would have all of them because 01:11:14.080 --> 01:11:16.000 God is unchanging. 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.560 And this God who said when there are evil people, my people, 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:24.000 I will command them to wipe them out, while God isn't giving 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:29.520 Christian nations today sucks directives to say categorically that that is per 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.640 se sin accused Accuses God of sin. 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.400 There's no way to get around that. 01:11:34.400 --> 01:11:39.120 Matt Harrison is an antichrist who accuses God of sin repeatedly throughout 01:11:39.120 --> 01:11:40.080 the Old Testament. 01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:42.880 And the only out that he has is to say, well, that 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.400 was the Old Testament God. 01:11:44.400 --> 01:11:48.160 Good luck with that on judgment day, because it's the unified Trinity 01:11:48.160 --> 01:11:49.680 who is going to be judging him. 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:54.400 And the unified Trinity who commanded genocide and commanded the execution of 01:11:54.400 --> 01:11:58.320 sodomites will judge him for speaking falsely in his name. 01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:02.080 God actually went further than just commanding genocide. 01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:05.440 God personally committed genocide. 01:12:05.440 --> 01:12:10.640 According to the modern international law definition of genocide, what God did 01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:13.360 to Egypt was genocide. 01:12:13.360 --> 01:12:19.040 God himself committed genocide in the pages of scripture. 01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:23.600 And so a blanket condemnation of genocide is a condemnation and rejection 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:24.080 of God. 01:12:24.080 --> 01:12:26.160 It is something Christians cannot do. 01:12:26.320 --> 01:12:27.760 Christians cannot do it. 01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:30.160 And yet the Missouri Synod is doing it. 01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:34.640 Cannot be Christian if this statement stands. 01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:36.320 And the statement will stand. 01:12:36.320 --> 01:12:39.280 We will see we'll we'll get to it in a minute, but 01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:42.480 this will be agreed and amplified by the convention that's coming up 01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:46.000 this summer and things will will get even worse. 01:12:46.240 --> 01:12:48.480 And we're gonna move on quickly to the some of the rest 01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:51.360 of the paragraphs because there's there's some meat and bits and pieces 01:12:51.360 --> 01:12:53.600 here. Harrison continues. 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:59.040 The synoctic explanation of Luther's small catechism teaches that the fifth commandment, 01:12:59.040 --> 01:13:03.920 you shall not murder, includes the prohibition of quote hating, despising, or 01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:09.200 slandering other groups of people, parentheses, prejudice, racism, and so forth. 01:13:09.200 --> 01:13:10.720 The scriptures agree. 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.920 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that 01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:16.480 no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 01:13:16.480 --> 01:13:19.920 Every human being is precious to God and as valuable as the 01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.960 very blood of Jesus Christ shed for all, for God so loved 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.200 the world that he gave his only Son. 01:13:25.360 --> 01:13:29.920 Now the meat and I think in this paragraph is they correctly 01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.560 admit the synocal explanation. 01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:35.440 I think we should start off by reading what the the small 01:13:35.440 --> 01:13:36.720 catechism says. 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.280 Because of course for the the Lutheran audience we all memorize that 01:13:39.280 --> 01:13:43.200 as children, but for those who are listening and not Lutheran, in 01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:49.440 the actual small catechism of doctor Martin Luther under the fifth commandment, 01:13:49.440 --> 01:13:51.120 thou shalt not kill. 01:13:51.120 --> 01:13:52.640 What does this mean? 01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.920 We should fear and love God, that we may not hurt nor 01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.440 harm our neighbor in his body, but help and befriend him in 01:13:59.440 --> 01:14:00.800 every bodily need. 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:01.440 That's it. 01:14:01.440 --> 01:14:05.680 That's what is said in the small catechism about the fifth commandment. 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:10.240 You may notice that what is quoted here by Matt Harrison is 01:14:10.240 --> 01:14:12.160 not there. 01:14:12.160 --> 01:14:13.680 There's a reason for that. 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.920 And this synocal explanation, which I'm glad that they admitted, but we'll 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:21.360 get to why it's not really an admission, it's actually them asserting 01:14:21.360 --> 01:14:23.040 even greater authority. 01:14:23.120 --> 01:14:26.960 The small catechism has been updated a number of times. 01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:31.280 Uh when I was catechized, we used the 1943 version, which I 01:14:31.280 --> 01:14:33.280 think was the last one that used King James. 01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:35.760 Maybe the 1991 had King James as well. 01:14:36.080 --> 01:14:40.080 In 2008, they added some additional explanations on top of the earlier 01:14:40.080 --> 01:14:42.400 ones. And but it didn't include this. 01:14:42.400 --> 01:14:49.040 It wasn't until twenty seventeen that Harrison's own small catechism, with Harrison's 01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:54.800 newly edited annotated explanations of what Luther wrote, added 01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:59.680 Hating, despising, or slandering other groups of people, prejudice, racism, and so 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:04.160 forth. That's brand new doctrine in 2017 that didn't exist for 500 01:15:04.160 --> 01:15:08.880 years. Now, this is highly important because what kicked all this off 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.400 and what we'll get into in a minute briefly is that the 01:15:12.400 --> 01:15:18.560 large catechism with annotations is why we are talking about this today. 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:22.240 Because Harrison, after he finished adding these new doctrines to the small 01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:27.040 catechism, he immediately moved on to the large catechism, which is an 01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:30.640 equally important document for teaching the faith in different parts of the 01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:35.120 church, to fathers, to husbands, to pastors, to any layman who wants 01:15:35.120 --> 01:15:39.600 to learn more in depth about what the Christian faith means. 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:46.000 Luther's large catechism has many outstanding useful things that are enumerating an 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:49.920 amplification of what is said in the small catechism about the Lord's 01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:55.440 Supper, about baptism, about the confession of sins, about the Lord's Prayer, 01:15:55.440 --> 01:15:56.640 and so forth. 01:15:56.640 --> 01:16:01.920 So when Harrison inserted new doctrine in twenty seventeen, and then in 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:05.040 twenty twenty three he cites it as authoritative. 01:16:05.040 --> 01:16:07.520 That's the game that we are fighting against. 01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:11.920 The reason that we objected to the large catechism having those essays 01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:13.200 appended to it. 01:16:13.200 --> 01:16:16.160 See, what they're saying today is oh those essays are just it's 01:16:16.160 --> 01:16:19.600 ancillary, it's not it's not something you have to subscribe to. 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:21.840 Well, do you have to subscribe to this? 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.440 Because the the synod, on behalf of every member of Synod, which 01:16:25.440 --> 01:16:29.680 is every single pastor, says you must hold to what Harrison wrote 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:32.160 in 2017, or you're damned. 01:16:32.160 --> 01:16:34.320 See, this is papism. 01:16:34.320 --> 01:16:39.360 This is new doctrines being introduced by the magisterium and being imposed 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:46.480 unilaterally by a pope, by whatever name he goes, over against Scripture, 01:16:46.480 --> 01:16:49.280 against its church, against God's church. 01:16:49.280 --> 01:16:52.160 This church doesn't belong to me, it doesn't belong to Harrison. 01:16:52.160 --> 01:16:54.400 It belongs to God. 01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:56.720 So yeah, it is a synonical explanation. 01:16:56.720 --> 01:17:00.960 It's not a Christian explanation, and it's certainly not a Lutheran explanation. 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:04.800 The reason that we object to these things being added and annotated 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:10.560 and appended is that when erroneous, foolish, and in this case, demonically 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:15.680 possessed men begin to introduce false doctrines, we're stuck with them. 01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.080 Like those books went out, they were printed. 01:17:18.400 --> 01:17:21.840 John Pless, one of the editors, immediately hopped on an airplane to 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:23.440 Africa to pass them out in Africa. 01:17:23.440 --> 01:17:26.160 I guess you know, sticking them with with false doctrine. 01:17:26.160 --> 01:17:28.960 I don't how to even do the math on that one. 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:30.160 But that's what we're dealing with. 01:17:30.160 --> 01:17:37.360 The these additions of new doctrines are specifically incremental subversions of an 01:17:37.360 --> 01:17:42.720 institution. Because every Lutheran knows, oh, the large catechism, the small catechism, 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:43.440 those are a big deal. 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:47.200 Those are important foundational confessional documents. 01:17:47.200 --> 01:17:53.600 Every Lutheran subscribes to them, every church bylaw and constitution says that 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:56.560 it upholds them without equivocation. 01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:01.120 So when these men introduce these things in the margins and in 01:18:01.120 --> 01:18:06.000 the periphery, they can deliberately confuse people by saying that these new 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:09.520 teachings that we made up five years ago or five months ago, 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:11.840 those are binding on your conscience too. 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:15.200 This is an act of pure malevolence, and this is why every 01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:19.520 document that is produced by a church body must be ruthlessly pruned 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:23.920 of anything that could possibly be used for deception down the road. 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:24.080 So 01:18:24.320 --> 01:18:29.120 the the last bit of this particular paragraph that's worth mentioning is 01:18:29.120 --> 01:18:33.360 that the quote of course from first John three, everyone who hates 01:18:33.360 --> 01:18:35.760 his brother is a murderer. 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:41.920 We've gone over at length previously the difference between brother and neighbor. 01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:46.400 One, no one on our side is advocating hating your neighbor. 01:18:46.400 --> 01:18:47.040 And two 01:18:48.160 --> 01:18:52.720 certainly no one is advocating hating his brother, so this accusation is 01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:54.720 just completely false. 01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:57.840 But that is, of course, in keeping with the MO for 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:02.320 pretty much everything Harrison seems to write these days. 01:19:02.320 --> 01:19:06.560 But moving on to the next paragraph, we were shocked to learn 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:11.120 recently that a few members of LCMS congregations have been propagating radical 01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:16.400 and unchristian quote alt right unquote views via Twitter and other social 01:19:16.400 --> 01:19:22.160 media. They are causing local disruption and consternation for their pastors, congregations 01:19:22.320 --> 01:19:24.000 and district presidents. 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.200 They have publicly stated that they seek the destruction of the LCA 01:19:27.360 --> 01:19:28.720 LCMS leadership. 01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:33.440 They have made serious online threats to individuals and scandalously attacked several 01:19:33.440 --> 01:19:35.680 faithful LCMS members. 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:40.480 Through these social media posts, even our wonderful deaconesses have been threatened 01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:41.280 and attacked. 01:19:41.440 --> 01:19:42.960 May as well read the next line as well. 01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:48.400 This is evil we condemn it in the name of Christ. 01:19:48.400 --> 01:19:52.400 There's a lot in this particular paragraph that's just false on its 01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:54.400 face and ridiculous. 01:19:54.400 --> 01:19:57.760 We'll start with perhaps the most trivial accusation, I guess. 01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:03.200 The comment about deaconesses is because we brought up the issue of 01:20:03.200 --> 01:20:08.240 women teaching in the church and producing materials intended for the instruction 01:20:08.240 --> 01:20:09.840 of pastors. 01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:14.480 And in fact there was fairly extensive interaction with some individuals on 01:20:14.480 --> 01:20:18.800 our side and deaconesses and some who have even produced these materials 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:22.560 that are being used to instruct pastors and others in the church. 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:24.640 All of it was respectful. 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:28.880 No one flung insults, there was no denigration, none of that, no 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:30.400 threats, no attacks. 01:20:30.400 --> 01:20:33.440 This is just an outright lie. 01:20:33.440 --> 01:20:37.200 And this started off very early, and it's just been continuously repeated 01:20:37.200 --> 01:20:38.960 and amplified, but there is no evidence. 01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:41.680 They will offer no evidence because there is no evidence. 01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:45.840 It's all publicly searchable because much of this was conducted on Twitter. 01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:47.520 The archive, the history is there. 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.080 You can go back and look for it yourself. 01:20:50.080 --> 01:20:51.600 So this is just a lie. 01:20:52.080 --> 01:20:54.880 On the deaconess point, we we have well I have certainly said 01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:56.880 that I don't think the deaconesses should exist. 01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:58.640 I don't think that program should exist. 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.560 It's clear to everyone who's actually paying attention that this is backdoor 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:03.760 women's ordination. 01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:04.960 They have a uniform. 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:08.640 You anytime you see a picture of an LCMS deaconess, they won't 01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:09.440 be facing you. 01:21:09.440 --> 01:21:13.120 They're going to be facing their right with their left shoulder facing 01:21:13.120 --> 01:21:16.640 you. The reason for that is that there's a deaconess uniform. 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.240 See they won't put on a collar. 01:21:18.240 --> 01:21:19.280 So what they do? 01:21:19.280 --> 01:21:23.360 They put a special cross patch on their special jackets, on their 01:21:23.360 --> 01:21:26.080 left shoulder so that you know that they're a deaconess. 01:21:26.080 --> 01:21:28.960 Show so when they show up, you know that you're dealing with 01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:33.040 a very special church lady who has very special theological training and 01:21:33.040 --> 01:21:34.480 you better listen to her. 01:21:34.480 --> 01:21:36.480 And that's exactly what's going on. 01:21:36.480 --> 01:21:40.960 Now some of them are nice ladies, I'm sure that they're believing 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:42.720 how the program was sold. 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:47.680 Nevertheless, when they graduate, they're all given the pastoral care companion. 01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:50.240 They're all given things and said, You're gonna go out and you're 01:21:50.160 --> 01:21:51.280 gonna do pastoral care. 01:21:51.280 --> 01:21:52.880 But it's not pastor stuff, it's private. 01:21:53.200 --> 01:21:55.920 You're not gonna commune anyone, you're just gonna pray with them and 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:57.280 you're gonna guide them, etc. 01:21:57.360 --> 01:22:02.880 And it's it's backdoor women's ordination, and they know it. 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.600 They know that they are empowering women. 01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:06.800 That's what it's about. 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.280 It's about female empowerment. 01:22:09.280 --> 01:22:11.760 It's not about serving the body of Christ. 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.480 When we did the the episodes at the very beginning or we 01:22:14.480 --> 01:22:19.040 talked about this very controversy, we pointed out that during that controversy, 01:22:19.040 --> 01:22:22.400 not one of them talked about Titus V, not one of them 01:22:22.400 --> 01:22:26.880 talked about what God says women should be teaching. 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:29.840 They should the older women should be teaching the younger women to 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:32.640 obey their husbands and to work in their homes. 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:35.200 And what does the Deaconess program do? 01:22:35.200 --> 01:22:40.960 This the seminaries are actually trying to poach wives, young wives of 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.560 men in our churches to say that the the women should go 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:47.600 off to the deaconess program to move to one of our seminaries 01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.560 to disrupt their families to do these things. 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.560 That is evil on its face. 01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:53.760 That is evil on its face. 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:55.040 Never mind the deaconess thing. 01:22:55.040 --> 01:22:57.840 But the fact that such evil is going on is a reason 01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:02.320 that we fundamentally oppose the existence of the program or the existence 01:23:02.320 --> 01:23:04.400 of what is frankly a made up title. 01:23:04.400 --> 01:23:07.040 You can go back to the very first episode of this Stone 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:11.520 choir the the entire podcast to hear us talk about that at 01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:15.120 length. But this is where we're when we said at the beginning, 01:23:15.120 --> 01:23:18.000 and this was at this podcast, this is the proof. 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:22.160 A few members of LCMS congregations have been propagating radical and unchristian 01:23:22.240 --> 01:23:24.880 all-right views on Twitter and other social media. 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:25.680 That's us. 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:27.200 That's whoever they're talking about. 01:23:27.200 --> 01:23:31.120 No, the accusation is a lie, but they specifically mean Corey and 01:23:31.120 --> 01:23:32.720 they mean me. 01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:34.960 No, the next sentence has another lie. 01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:38.720 They're causing local disruption and consternation for their pastors. 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:40.880 That is a categorical lie. 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:44.720 The men who have been specifically targeted, and we'll get into what 01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:48.720 the targeting was in a minute, have never had any issues in 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:54.880 their congregations, with the exception of Corey, who's spoken previously about three 01:23:55.040 --> 01:24:01.600 godless pastors, so called, who sent ridiculous false accusations to his pastor, 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:03.680 which he reviewed last June. 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:05.440 And what did his pastor do? 01:24:05.440 --> 01:24:07.680 His pastor said, I find no fault here. 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:09.680 And he continued to commune Corey. 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:11.680 Corey was never put under church discipline. 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:13.280 There was never any problem. 01:24:13.280 --> 01:24:17.280 Yes, the pastor spoke to him due to slander, due to other 01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:19.040 pastors lying about him. 01:24:19.040 --> 01:24:20.880 Is that Cory causing problems? 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:23.200 Or is that liars causing problems? 01:24:23.200 --> 01:24:26.000 The liars cause the problem for Corey's pastor. 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:27.840 So this is false on its face. 01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:30.800 They are causing local disruption absolutely not. 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:35.040 There's not been another single congregation besides his that had any disruption 01:24:35.040 --> 01:24:38.080 of any sort until the subsequent lies that followed 01:24:39.040 --> 01:24:42.480 on from this demonic male continued. 01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:47.520 I'm also not sure that anyone rational would really characterize a meeting 01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:48.560 as a disruption. 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:52.400 Perhaps consternation, yes, because having to field false charges by 01:24:53.280 --> 01:24:58.800 false shepherds is undoubtedly annoying for a pastor, but it is part 01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:00.320 of the job. 01:25:00.320 --> 01:25:02.240 And so we'll move on to 01:25:03.200 --> 01:25:04.400 one of the last two. 01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:08.320 They have publicly stated that they seek the destruction of the LCMS 01:25:08.320 --> 01:25:10.640 leadership. And so there are 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:14.240 probably a handful of tweets they're thinking of. 01:25:14.240 --> 01:25:18.240 I have two of them here that I will read on january 01:25:18.240 --> 01:25:23.760 twentieth, I tweeted, these interlopers and subverters will be removed, these men 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:28.640 in single quotes, have no claim to the historical Lutheran Church, and 01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:31.440 they have no connection to the men who came before them. 01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:35.360 As for me and many others, we will continue attending Opa's church. 01:25:35.360 --> 01:25:38.400 I'm of course referring to Valter there. 01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:41.200 And the second of the two. 01:25:41.200 --> 01:25:45.280 The entire LCMS leadership is apostate or derelict. 01:25:45.280 --> 01:25:50.480 They must all be removed and forever barred, no exceptions. 01:25:50.480 --> 01:25:53.600 That was also January twentieth. 01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:57.120 This letter dated February 21st. 01:25:57.120 --> 01:26:02.480 So in other words, I just presage things by a month. 01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:05.680 More or less, because with this letter and the fact that the 01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:09.600 entirety of the leadership of the LCMS, and not just the leadership, 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:13.920 but it Harrison also claims to be speaking for the ministerium and 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:14.960 for the congregations. 01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:18.240 He claims to be speaking for the entirety of the LCMS. 01:26:18.240 --> 01:26:21.360 And so what I said is entirely accurate, as we are proving 01:26:21.360 --> 01:26:24.400 by going through this letter. 01:26:24.400 --> 01:26:25.920 He is apostate. 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:28.000 Some of the others are apostate. 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.440 Every last one of them who is not apostate is derelict. 01:26:31.440 --> 01:26:34.720 I absolutely meant what I said, and I reiterate it now because 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:35.680 it is true. 01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:38.640 It was true then, it's even more true now. 01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:39.200 I 01:26:39.200 --> 01:26:42.240 want to say something specific about the timing of these tweets because 01:26:42.400 --> 01:26:45.920 january twentieth, when you tweeted the L the entire LCMS leadership is 01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:50.240 apostate or derelict and they must be forever removed or barred. 01:26:50.240 --> 01:26:54.560 That was in direct response to the publication of the large cataclysm. 01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:55.760 We had it in hand. 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:59.040 We had been reviewing those specific essays. 01:26:59.040 --> 01:27:00.480 We were digging through them. 01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:06.240 We were finding these demonic errors that Matt Harrison was propagating in 01:27:06.240 --> 01:27:09.760 the name of Marxism, in the name of his new religion, and 01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:11.840 masquerading his Lutheranism. 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:14.960 We knew at that point something that we had known for a 01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:15.840 couple years. 01:27:16.160 --> 01:27:19.600 Corey and I have known how evil Matt was. 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:22.400 We weren't able to publicly prove it, which is why we weren't 01:27:22.320 --> 01:27:24.320 saying it until this year. 01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:27.120 The reason that we have begun to say these things these things 01:27:27.120 --> 01:27:32.160 publicly is with the publication of the large cataclysm, Harrison has gone 01:27:32.160 --> 01:27:33.840 fully mask off. 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:39.840 he confessed a false God by what he published in that demonic 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.680 book. And it was clear's day. 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:43.120 It was clear's day to us. 01:27:43.120 --> 01:27:45.600 The reason we did the IQ episode in part was to say 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:48.640 there are men who can see clearly what's gonna happen that you 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:49.760 can't see clearly. 01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:53.440 So when Corey said the entire LCMS leadership, and as Corey just 01:27:53.440 --> 01:27:56.000 mentioned, they all signed this this email. 01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:00.240 They all signed this press release damning Christian doctrine. 01:28:00.240 --> 01:28:02.800 Now, did Corey jump the gun? 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:04.960 Did Corey speak out of turn? 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.000 Or did he simply know something for a fact that it took 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.640 other people a little while longer to catch up to. 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:11.920 It's the latter. 01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:15.200 We can see things sometimes clearly that other people can't. 01:28:15.200 --> 01:28:18.720 And like I said, we didn't say these things in twenty twenty 01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:22.960 when we knew it, because we couldn't make a demonstrable case. 01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:26.000 Today we can make that case, which is why I have no 01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:29.600 reservations about saying that Matt Harrison is antichrist. 01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:31.600 This letter is antichrist. 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:35.840 The large cataclysm is an affront to God. 01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:40.160 And so yes, absolutely we have stated that we seek not the 01:28:40.160 --> 01:28:44.240 destruction, we seek the removal, which is a hilarious part of this. 01:28:44.320 --> 01:28:47.520 Is as you were saying in prep, like the idea that these 01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:51.440 would be threats of any sort of personal violence or anything, not 01:28:51.440 --> 01:28:54.880 only is utterly false, not only is it a direct violation of 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.240 the eighth commandment, which calls on every Christian to put the kindest 01:28:58.240 --> 01:29:02.800 possible light on how we explain what our brothers in Christ say. 01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:05.600 But it would be stupid. 01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:10.320 Like no harm befalling Harrison or any of the other men would 01:29:10.320 --> 01:29:13.920 change anything about the doctrine of the church. 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:16.800 The church will continue regardless of any of us. 01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:20.960 The reason that the doctrines matter is that the doctrines perpetuate themselves 01:29:21.200 --> 01:29:23.520 because men will come along and point to them. 01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:27.600 So when you said removed and forever barred, it was th from 01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:32.160 theology. Harrison must be removed from his post, along with every other 01:29:32.160 --> 01:29:36.640 VP. Lang and Woolrobby and Murray and Noor and Esket and Bell 01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:39.040 must all be removed and forever barred. 01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:43.360 Why? Because they are guilty of the large cataclysm and they signed 01:29:43.360 --> 01:29:46.400 this letter and they continue to be guilty for all of these 01:29:46.400 --> 01:29:47.280 evil things. 01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:49.840 Not one of them has spoken up and said, not in my 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:51.920 name. I don't believe any of that. 01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:54.480 And it doesn't matter if they're going through back channels. 01:29:54.480 --> 01:29:56.880 And we'll get to why that's such a pivotal part of this. 01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:59.920 Because fundamentally, this whole thing is about back channels and the fact 01:29:59.920 --> 01:30:03.760 that podcasts like Stone Choir are not a back channel. 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:08.640 What these men fundamentally do not want is for layman to speak 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.920 about theology in a way that makes them look bad. 01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:13.200 Full stop. 01:30:13.200 --> 01:30:17.680 This entire thing is about Matt Harrison's Maui vacation getting screwed up 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:21.360 and him looking like a jackass because he pulled it, he pulled 01:30:21.360 --> 01:30:24.480 the large cataclysm, and then he shipped it again nine or ten 01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:28.320 days later because all of his buddies said, No, it's fine, those 01:30:28.320 --> 01:30:28.960 are Nazis. 01:30:29.200 --> 01:30:34.000 He you know Vogel and Kilcrees and all the other flying monkeys 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:38.560 of the CTCR who were directly responsible for pedophilia advocacy and all 01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:43.440 the other evil in the large cataclysm went through our timelines and 01:30:43.440 --> 01:30:46.000 they said, These men are Nazis, you don't need to listen to 01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:49.120 them. And Harrison was like, Oh man, Nazis, that's terrifying. 01:30:49.120 --> 01:30:50.960 And so he went full bore. 01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:54.080 And this letter is a direct response to the things that we 01:30:54.080 --> 01:30:56.960 have been saying and specifically to other to us, calling them on 01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:58.160 the carpet for lying. 01:30:58.160 --> 01:31:03.440 Lying in God's name, which is a damn above almost all others. 01:31:04.240 --> 01:31:08.160 And that accusation of supposed threats made is the fourth point from 01:31:08.160 --> 01:31:10.320 this paragraph that's worth highlighting. 01:31:10.320 --> 01:31:13.040 And just to read that line again, they have made serious online 01:31:13.120 --> 01:31:18.640 threats to individuals and scandalously attacked several faithful LCMS members. 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:21.600 Notice what Harrison is attempting to do there. 01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:23.840 Pay careful attention. 01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:28.000 Serious online threats and then attacked. 01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.800 Well attacked just means critiqued in this case. 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:35.920 It means that we've said things about their false positions, the false 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:40.640 comments they've made, their false doctrine, and that that is supposedly here 01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:41.920 an attack. 01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:43.840 It's not an attack, it's a critique. 01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:46.320 If you want to call it an attack on false doctrine, fine 01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:51.760 in so far as that is true, it is to some degree. 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:57.360 There have been no threats, no serious online threats, no online threats 01:31:57.360 --> 01:31:59.440 of any kind. 01:31:59.440 --> 01:32:03.280 We are in a position to know the people who had access 01:32:03.280 --> 01:32:06.880 to this information who were involved in discussing it, looking at it, 01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:08.240 critiquing it. 01:32:08.240 --> 01:32:09.680 No one made any threats. 01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:10.960 No one would make any threats. 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:12.720 Why would anyone make any threats? 01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:14.080 It doesn't make any sense to do that. 01:32:14.320 --> 01:32:17.200 It would be extremely dumb to do so. 01:32:17.200 --> 01:32:20.160 And so no one has done that. 01:32:20.160 --> 01:32:23.360 Even I can tell you I can tell you which tweet they're 01:32:23.360 --> 01:32:24.400 talking about. 01:32:24.400 --> 01:32:26.320 So the next day on the twenty first. 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:31.120 the next day on the 21st, when Ryan Turnipseed had posted his 01:32:31.120 --> 01:32:34.240 thread that included all the things that he and others had found 01:32:34.240 --> 01:32:38.800 in the patechism, I was in that thread uh at some point 01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.080 and someone replied to me. 01:32:40.160 --> 01:32:42.240 They've since deleted their account, so I'm sure what they said to 01:32:42.240 --> 01:32:44.080 me, but it I think it was something in the effect of 01:32:44.160 --> 01:32:46.400 I I hope you stay in the fight because this is bad 01:32:46.400 --> 01:32:50.320 news. And my reply on the 21st was, oh, we're not going 01:32:50.320 --> 01:32:54.800 anywhere. We are going to hunt these people down and bring them 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:56.000 to justice. 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:56.640 Now 01:32:58.080 --> 01:33:01.680 if you want to be hysterical and think that someone is trying 01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:05.840 to kill you, you might hallucinate and think that that was what 01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:07.360 that tweet was about. 01:33:07.360 --> 01:33:09.440 As Corey just said, that would be stupid. 01:33:09.440 --> 01:33:14.480 I I'm not a violent person, and I'm not a stupid person. 01:33:14.480 --> 01:33:17.200 An intelligent man, if you were going to do something harmful to 01:33:17.200 --> 01:33:19.440 someone, would not announce it on Twitter. 01:33:19.440 --> 01:33:22.560 That's not typically how smart criminals work. 01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.600 You don't broadcast to the entire world where it gets swept up 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:26.880 in a police dragnet. 01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:30.560 Undoubtedly, I'm certain that this tweet in particular was sent to the 01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:33.120 FBI because I know for a fact that some other tweets have 01:33:33.120 --> 01:33:34.400 been sent to the FBI. 01:33:34.400 --> 01:33:36.880 It was sent to them to say, look, this man is making 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:38.400 violent threats against us. 01:33:38.400 --> 01:33:39.760 What did I say? 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:42.080 We are going to hunt these people down. 01:33:42.080 --> 01:33:45.040 Well, hunt, what does that mean? 01:33:45.040 --> 01:33:48.640 The typical case is not going to be in it well for 01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:50.480 one thing, this is rhetoric. 01:33:50.480 --> 01:33:53.680 When one of the techniques in hunting, and I'm not a hunter, 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:56.080 my father's a hunter, but I I went once or twice like 01:33:56.160 --> 01:33:57.680 squirrel and rabbit hunting. 01:33:57.680 --> 01:33:58.320 I didn't like it. 01:33:58.320 --> 01:34:00.640 I like going out in the woods, but I don't want to 01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:01.520 kill anything. 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.480 Like I'm the same as Cory, like I wa I walk around 01:34:04.480 --> 01:34:07.120 clover too because I want to see the bees eating it. 01:34:07.120 --> 01:34:08.640 I'm not a violent man. 01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:10.800 Against beast or against man. 01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:13.360 So when I said I want to hunt that we will hunt 01:34:13.360 --> 01:34:17.440 these people down, well, one of the aspects of hunting is using 01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:20.960 calls. You can use like a duck call, or you can use 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:26.320 a call that simulates a doe that's rutting to draw a buck. 01:34:26.320 --> 01:34:29.600 Because when it hears certain sounds, the animal will think, oh, one 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:30.720 of my friends is over there. 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.280 I'm gonna go over and, you know, meet up with the group 01:34:33.360 --> 01:34:35.760 or I'm going to have sex or whatever it is. 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:38.400 So one aspect of hunting is calling. 01:34:38.400 --> 01:34:41.520 When I said that, I specify when I said hunt these people 01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:44.880 down, I specifically meant calling them out. 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:46.480 Again, not to shoot them. 01:34:46.480 --> 01:34:48.800 You know, photographers do the same thing. 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.680 They will also use calls and they'll use bait because they want 01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:54.800 to get their target to where they can take a picture of 01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:56.720 them. That's a form of hunting too. 01:34:56.720 --> 01:34:59.760 It's not called hunting because they're not using a gun, but it's 01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:00.720 effectively the same thing. 01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:05.600 It's drawing the target out to expose itself publicly, which is absolutely 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:06.400 my desire. 01:35:06.400 --> 01:35:07.280 And you know what? 01:35:07.280 --> 01:35:08.560 Mission accomplished. 01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:13.200 This letter is the culmination of the hunt that I described. 01:35:13.200 --> 01:35:14.960 I don't need to go anywhere. 01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:18.400 I have no desire, no intention, I don't have the capacity to 01:35:18.400 --> 01:35:19.600 go harm people. 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:22.480 I wouldn't do that, because it would be fruitless, it would be 01:35:22.480 --> 01:35:25.440 evil, I would answer to God for it, and these evil men 01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:27.040 would just be replaced by others. 01:35:27.040 --> 01:35:29.760 What I seek is institutional change. 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:33.120 That doesn't happen through violence, not in the case of a church. 01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:35.280 That happens through them being removed. 01:35:35.280 --> 01:35:38.400 And so when I say bring them to justice, well 01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:44.880 bring them to justice if you think in terms of vigilanteism, which 01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:47.520 is of of course what they would want you to think, you 01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:51.760 think some man like doing something by himself, like some some sort 01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:55.440 of individual act of vengeance. 01:35:55.440 --> 01:36:00.000 I have said repeatedly on this podcast series that we are opposed 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:01.520 to individual acts of vengeance. 01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:02.960 Scripture condemns that. 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:04.240 God condemns that. 01:36:04.240 --> 01:36:06.640 I'm not going to say one thing that God says and then 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:11.040 go out and do the opposite because I don't like someone online. 01:36:11.040 --> 01:36:13.280 So what does bring to justice mean? 01:36:13.280 --> 01:36:16.720 Well, in this case justice is not the civil courts. 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.320 It's not there's no there's no earthly justice for these demonic lies 01:36:20.320 --> 01:36:21.760 these men are telling. 01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:25.120 The only justice that I can bring them to in this life 01:36:25.120 --> 01:36:28.720 is to bring them before the church, to tell it to the 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:33.120 church, to tell to the church publicly, incidentally, as scripture commands, to 01:36:33.120 --> 01:36:36.560 bring the evil of men among you before the church, which is 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:39.920 what Harrison thinks he's doing with this email, what he has actually 01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:44.400 done, as he has brought himself out of hiding as an antichrist, 01:36:44.400 --> 01:36:48.240 and he has exposed himself to the justice of the church. 01:36:48.240 --> 01:36:50.640 I don't need to do anything else at this point. 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:54.960 Like mission accomplished, this tweet that I made on January 21st is 01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:59.200 fulfilled by his email and by the subsequent events that we'll go 01:36:59.200 --> 01:37:00.240 into later. 01:37:00.240 --> 01:37:03.120 I had I never had any ill or violent intent because I 01:37:03.120 --> 01:37:04.480 have none in my heart. 01:37:04.480 --> 01:37:08.000 I wanted the evil of this man that I knew was there 01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:11.280 for years to be exposed and it's been drawn out. 01:37:11.280 --> 01:37:14.240 So I thank God for this this letter that you published, this 01:37:14.240 --> 01:37:18.160 wicked press release signed by the entire Missouri Synod for the evil 01:37:18.160 --> 01:37:20.640 and the slander and the libel that's in it, because 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:24.240 there's not much le else for me to say at this point. 01:37:24.240 --> 01:37:28.880 If men today see this and they don't see evil, they're not 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:30.400 going to believe anything else I say. 01:37:30.400 --> 01:37:32.240 So like I wouldn't bother. 01:37:32.240 --> 01:37:33.200 I I truly mean that. 01:37:33.200 --> 01:37:38.080 Like we'll continue occasionally to to to detail as these things occur, 01:37:38.080 --> 01:37:42.560 but I wanted the thing that I knew years ago to be 01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:45.840 known by the average man who wasn't paying much attention. 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:48.880 I wanted to hunt these people down and bring them to justice. 01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:50.400 That has been done. 01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:51.920 That was it it's done. 01:37:51.920 --> 01:37:55.200 It was done in on February twenty first when Harrison published this 01:37:55.200 --> 01:37:55.520 letter. 01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:59.360 One would think they would know the subsidiary secondary meaning of hunt, 01:37:59.360 --> 01:38:02.400 which is just a search for and the same as when I 01:38:02.400 --> 01:38:04.160 say remove, it means from office. 01:38:04.160 --> 01:38:06.400 But of course they're that's not their goal. 01:38:06.400 --> 01:38:09.920 Their goal is to destroy anyone who objects to what they're doing 01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:10.800 to the church. 01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:13.600 And that's why they have involved the FBI. 01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:15.120 That's not an idle comment. 01:38:15.120 --> 01:38:19.040 That is something we know as a fact has been done. 01:38:19.040 --> 01:38:23.600 That is the level of the wickedness of these men that Christians 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.920 are told not to go to the civil courts against each other. 01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:32.320 These men would prefer to lynch us, quite frankly, is what they 01:38:32.320 --> 01:38:34.800 would prefer to see done if they could manage it. 01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:38.960 And so obviously, there are concerns over swatting and things like that. 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:42.160 These things are being handled as best we can, but that is 01:38:42.160 --> 01:38:45.920 the reality of the situation in which we find ourselves today because 01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:49.520 of the evil of the men who wrote and signed this letter 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:51.360 and those who pushed for it. 01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:55.600 And that's why we're covering it, because this is what is happening 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:57.600 in the church today. 01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:01.280 These are the men who are attempting to kill the church once 01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:04.640 and for all, to destroy what is left of the actual church 01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:07.840 in the US, in the West, in the world. 01:39:08.160 --> 01:39:14.160 And so moving on to the next paragraph, these quote alt right, 01:39:14.160 --> 01:39:19.200 unquote individuals were at the genesis of a recent controversy surrounding essays 01:39:19.200 --> 01:39:23.360 accompanying a new publication of Luther's large catechism. 01:39:23.360 --> 01:39:27.520 This group used that opportunity to produce not only scandalous attacks and 01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:33.840 widespread falsehoods, but also to promote their own absolutist ideologies. 01:39:34.160 --> 01:39:38.560 Again we have the idiotic term alt right. 01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:40.000 We've mentioned that already. 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:43.200 It's quite frankly an insult to Luther that they call this Luther's 01:39:43.200 --> 01:39:45.120 large catechism because it's not. 01:39:45.120 --> 01:39:48.720 It contains the text of the large catechism, but the rest of 01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:51.840 it is poison, except for a handful of things that were thrown 01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:56.720 in there to distract people from how bad it is on balance. 01:39:56.720 --> 01:39:59.360 And so the the main charge of this, of course, is that 01:39:59.360 --> 01:40:04.000 this group used that opportunity to produce not only scandalous attacks and 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:09.760 widespread falsehoods, but also to promote their own absolutist ideology. 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:14.400 There are a number of problems with this. 01:40:14.400 --> 01:40:19.520 One, widespread falsehoods is the core of this, that's the the linchpin 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:24.480 of this particular paragraph, because if what we said is true, then 01:40:24.480 --> 01:40:26.000 the attacks aren't scandalous. 01:40:27.120 --> 01:40:30.960 And if we use it to s supposedly promote our ideologies, if 01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:34.640 what we're saying is in line with the truth, then there's nothing 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.120 wrong with promoting what is in line with the truth. 01:40:37.120 --> 01:40:41.520 And so the question is where Were our critiques false? 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:46.240 Did we wrongly characterize the annotated large catechism? 01:40:46.240 --> 01:40:48.400 And the answer is no. 01:40:48.400 --> 01:40:49.920 It's published now. 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:51.440 It can be found online. 01:40:51.440 --> 01:40:53.600 The PDF can be found online in various places. 01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:58.240 People can read the material and see that what we quoted is 01:40:58.240 --> 01:40:59.760 exactly what's there. 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:02.160 What we said is what's there. 01:41:02.160 --> 01:41:02.880 The critique is 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:05.760 sound. You can go watch the stream. 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:08.160 I will again put that in the show notes. 01:41:08.160 --> 01:41:10.880 We were highlighting things in there. 01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:13.760 Yes, some of it we're going to see, and others may have 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:18.960 trouble sussing it out because we understand the Marxism, the ideology that 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:20.160 is underlying it. 01:41:20.160 --> 01:41:24.720 And so when you understand the underlying ideology, you can pick out 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:25.360 key terms. 01:41:25.360 --> 01:41:29.360 You can see why the author used this word instead of that 01:41:29.360 --> 01:41:34.800 word. But the critique that we leveled against the annotated large catechism 01:41:35.040 --> 01:41:36.560 is entirely sound. 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:39.920 And in fact, we didn't go anywhere near as hard as we 01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:41.120 could have gone. 01:41:41.120 --> 01:41:42.560 We were raising the alarm. 01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:45.440 We wanted to point out there were serious flaws in this. 01:41:45.440 --> 01:41:49.440 Synod is lying in the name of every member of the LCMS, 01:41:49.440 --> 01:41:53.040 every member of an LCMS congregation, and ultimately in the name of 01:41:53.040 --> 01:41:57.600 God. And that's why we highlighted these errors. 01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:01.840 And so the attacks, so called, against the authors and the annotated 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:06.560 large catechism are not in fact scandalous, because they are accurate. 01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:08.640 We were critiquing false doctrine. 01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:11.280 We were pointing out what is being done in the name of 01:42:11.280 --> 01:42:11.760 the church. 01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:15.120 We are pointing out this corruption that is seeping into the church 01:42:15.280 --> 01:42:18.160 that if we do not get rid of it now will destroy 01:42:18.160 --> 01:42:20.400 the church in our lifetime. 01:42:21.120 --> 01:42:26.000 And And this bit about absolutist ideologies is vague to the point 01:42:26.320 --> 01:42:27.840 you can't even respond to it. 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:31.120 I guess you could hearken back to the parenthetical listing the supposed 01:42:31.120 --> 01:42:37.040 ideologies. But also, I want to highlight the word absolutist. 01:42:37.040 --> 01:42:39.280 Well, you know what absolutist is? 01:42:39.280 --> 01:42:40.960 An absolutist ideology? 01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:43.280 Well that's Christianity. 01:42:43.280 --> 01:42:46.400 Because those who aren't in Christ go to hell. 01:42:46.400 --> 01:42:47.520 Black and white. 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:48.480 It's a yes or no. 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:52.240 When you stand before the throne, it's either well done, good and 01:42:52.240 --> 01:42:55.360 faithful servant, or depart from me I never knew you. 01:42:55.360 --> 01:42:57.120 That's absolutist. 01:42:57.120 --> 01:43:00.080 Christianity is an absolutist ideology. 01:43:00.080 --> 01:43:02.800 Christianity is not universalist. 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:06.560 Christianity is you get it right or wrong, and you go to 01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:10.240 heaven or hell depending on that one thing. 01:43:10.240 --> 01:43:14.320 Yes, there's more to the Christian life than simply believing in Christ, 01:43:14.320 --> 01:43:19.600 but if you get that part wrong, that absolute question, that yes 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.960 or no, you go to hell. 01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:28.480 And so condemning absolutism is again a condemnation of Christianity. 01:43:28.480 --> 01:43:30.320 It is a condemnation of Scripture. 01:43:30.320 --> 01:43:32.000 It is a condemnation of God. 01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:36.000 It is a condemnation of everything for which the church and Christians 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:38.080 are supposed to stand. 01:43:38.080 --> 01:43:42.560 A Christian cannot write this paragraph, cannot write this line. 01:43:43.040 --> 01:43:47.040 And this paragraph is also the absolute proof that this entire essay 01:43:47.120 --> 01:43:51.280 or this this press release is directed at Corey and me personally, 01:43:51.280 --> 01:43:52.560 and two other men. 01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:56.000 We will link in the show notes once again the turnip stream 01:43:56.000 --> 01:44:00.240 that was done by Ryan Turnipseed, by Corey, myself, and by one 01:44:00.240 --> 01:44:04.880 other man who spoke for about three hours going point by point 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:08.960 all the things that Ryan had highlighted in his Twitter thread that 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:12.080 went so viral that it was caught up in not quite mainstream 01:44:12.160 --> 01:44:18.320 but but subsidiary media as Marxism encroaching in the Lutheran church. 01:44:18.320 --> 01:44:21.360 It gave the Lutheran Church Missouri Senate a black eye. 01:44:21.360 --> 01:44:24.080 Did it do it because we said things that were scandalous or 01:44:24.080 --> 01:44:24.960 false? No. 01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:26.400 It's because we told the truth. 01:44:26.400 --> 01:44:30.080 The LCMS got a black eye because the LCMS is apostatizing. 01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:33.280 As Corey said, we like if you go when you listen to 01:44:33.280 --> 01:44:35.360 the stream, I would encourage you to do so. 01:44:35.360 --> 01:44:38.400 That stream will prove to be one of the most important moments 01:44:38.400 --> 01:44:39.920 in LCMS history. 01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:44.720 I know that sounds incredibly self-aggrandizing, but the four men on that 01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:49.440 stream, each of them have been targeted specifically by the president of 01:44:49.440 --> 01:44:54.240 the Missouri Synod for excommunication if we do not repudiate everything that 01:44:54.240 --> 01:44:55.520 we said on that stream. 01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:58.000 Was it because we said anything particularly on that stream that was 01:44:58.000 --> 01:44:59.360 false? And also each other. 01:44:59.360 --> 01:45:01.680 No. Yes, and also each other. 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:05.360 we must disavow the entire person of every other man on that 01:45:05.360 --> 01:45:08.880 stream, or we will be declared to go to hell by the 01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:10.720 LCMS. This is a fact. 01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:13.200 Now as I said up front, we're gonna be doing a separate 01:45:13.200 --> 01:45:16.640 uh event at some point where we're gonna talk in detail. 01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:19.840 We're gonna give everything that has been in secret about what has 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:23.760 happened since this letter, but it is an absolute fact that the 01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:28.720 president of the Missouri Senate marked four layman for excommunication, for doxing, 01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:32.480 and for destruction at the hands of the world because we disagreed 01:45:32.480 --> 01:45:33.680 with his doctrine. 01:45:33.680 --> 01:45:35.600 Matt Harrison is antichrist. 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.600 He is He is demonically possessed. 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:39.520 He is a fundamentally evil man. 01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:42.880 He is a threat to everyone who listens to a word he 01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:45.040 says. And he says the same about me. 01:45:45.040 --> 01:45:46.480 So you gotta pick. 01:45:46.560 --> 01:45:48.880 I know that most people are gonna pick him because he's got 01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:52.400 a collar, he's got the big mustache, he has the enormous comically 01:45:52.400 --> 01:45:57.120 sized pectoral crucifix that makes him look like a buffoon. 01:45:57.120 --> 01:46:00.480 Not that the crucifix is, but like how how much Jesus do 01:46:00.480 --> 01:46:03.600 you have to hide behind for people to believe your bull? 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:06.080 I'm anonymous, I'm pseudonymous. 01:46:06.080 --> 01:46:09.520 No one knows my name until the Missouri Senate succeeds in doxing 01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:12.320 me. You listen to me if what I say sounds like what 01:46:12.320 --> 01:46:13.120 God is saying. 01:46:13.120 --> 01:46:15.520 This guy won't go anywhere near Scripture. 01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:19.680 This is a guy who quotes the Declaration of Independence and quotes 01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:22.960 other garbage like that instead of quoting Scripture, and when he does 01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:25.920 touch Scripture, it's horribly mangled. 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:28.080 That's not the product of the Holy Spirit. 01:46:28.080 --> 01:46:31.040 So this this paragraph is the absolute proof that we are the 01:46:31.040 --> 01:46:34.000 men he's talking about, which is why we're saying that this is 01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:37.120 about us, and it's why we're doing this episode. 01:46:37.120 --> 01:46:38.960 And you're right about the absolutist thing. 01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:42.640 Like that's it's a s it's a scare word, but it's also 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.440 a word that shows that they are universalists. 01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:48.880 Matt Harrison has friends who are universalists in the Missouri Senate. 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:52.480 I've mentioned on a previous episode there's a pastor named Rick McCafferty 01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:57.600 who's a pastor in the LCMS in the Northwest District, who's literally 01:46:57.600 --> 01:46:59.680 an open universalist? 01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:04.800 He says he's a universalist on a Vimeo page hosted by his 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:08.800 district. He is a member in good standing who says that his 01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:13.920 Pacific Northwest Indian ancestors all went to heaven because they worshipped the 01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:14.880 great spirit. 01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:17.600 They already knew God before the white man came. 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:19.440 And what is Rick concerned about? 01:47:19.440 --> 01:47:23.440 He's concerned that white men are coming with their racism and telling 01:47:23.440 --> 01:47:25.680 his people how they should worship God. 01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:30.240 They want to have sunrise ceremonies when the the white Lutherans who 01:47:30.240 --> 01:47:33.120 are coming to those people are saying, let's tell you about Jesus 01:47:33.120 --> 01:47:37.280 and let's go inside and stop beating drums and stop doing pagan 01:47:37.280 --> 01:47:39.440 things and let's start doing Christian things. 01:47:39.440 --> 01:47:42.880 Rick McCaffrey says, no, my people already had God. 01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:45.440 He's a universalist and he's in good standing. 01:47:45.440 --> 01:47:48.560 Matt Harrison wants us to be excommunicated. 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:51.440 Is that the product of a Christian body? 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:53.040 You know what we think. 01:47:53.040 --> 01:47:55.840 You can decide for yourself. 01:47:56.240 --> 01:48:00.000 The next paragraph here anyone trying to sully the reputation of the 01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:05.120 LCMS based on comments from a small number of online provocateurs does 01:48:05.120 --> 01:48:09.040 not know the loving, faithful and generous, kind and welcoming synod that 01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:11.920 I have met all across the nation are Our people are delighted 01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:14.880 to gather with sinners of every stripe to receive free and full 01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:18.800 forgiveness from our crucified Savior, and are not represented by these few 01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:21.120 men with their sinful agenda. 01:48:21.120 --> 01:48:23.120 Well this is the Jesus butter they talk about. 01:48:23.120 --> 01:48:26.080 He they these guys love to sprinkle the Jesus dust on who 01:48:26.160 --> 01:48:29.360 can object to a man who speaks in the name of God? 01:48:29.360 --> 01:48:32.320 Well, this podcast apparently has a sinful agenda. 01:48:32.320 --> 01:48:33.840 What is our sinful agenda? 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:38.240 Saying believe God and obey him, and confess your sins, and read 01:48:38.240 --> 01:48:41.920 your Bible, and attend a faithful church, if God help you can 01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:43.520 find one anymore. 01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:47.040 And when your pastor is faithful, seek to support him. 01:48:47.040 --> 01:48:50.080 When your pastor is confused about things, try to support him. 01:48:50.080 --> 01:48:51.360 Don't be confrontational. 01:48:51.360 --> 01:48:52.400 We've never in public or private 01:48:53.440 --> 01:48:56.960 once told anyone to confront his pastor and to be a pain 01:48:56.960 --> 01:48:57.680 in the butt. 01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:00.240 We have always said you can tell when a pastor can learn 01:49:00.400 --> 01:49:02.480 and you can tell when a pastor is hard hearted. 01:49:02.480 --> 01:49:04.640 And when you have a pastor who can learn, you should be 01:49:04.640 --> 01:49:07.920 learning from him because he should be the expert from whom most 01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:09.440 things will be flowing. 01:49:09.440 --> 01:49:12.400 If there's something that you happen to know better than him, speak 01:49:12.400 --> 01:49:13.440 to him privately. 01:49:13.440 --> 01:49:16.400 We've never gone beyond that because we don't believe anything beyond that. 01:49:16.400 --> 01:49:19.440 And that's the only approach that we have ever taken in private. 01:49:19.440 --> 01:49:22.560 So for Harrison to say that we have a sinful agenda, again, 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:24.000 it's just scaremongering. 01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:27.440 You know, it's it's fascism, it's Nazism, it's racism, it's all the 01:49:27.440 --> 01:49:29.840 isms that you get on MSN. 01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:32.800 And you should be scared and you should flee from us. 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:36.160 You should delete your subscription to Stone Choir and you should repent. 01:49:36.160 --> 01:49:38.400 Because if you tell your pastor that you've listened to this, I 01:49:38.400 --> 01:49:41.440 guarantee you at some point you will fall under church discipline in 01:49:41.440 --> 01:49:42.560 the LCMS. 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:43.760 That's how serious this is. 01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:46.240 I I've warned people in public and in private. 01:49:46.240 --> 01:49:48.960 You need to be careful about your pastor knowing that you talked 01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:49.360 to us. 01:49:49.360 --> 01:49:50.480 Now I'm not ashamed. 01:49:50.480 --> 01:49:51.920 I'm not saying you should be ashamed. 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:54.880 I'm saying you should be as wise as a serpent. 01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:56.400 You should be as innocent as a dove. 01:49:56.400 --> 01:50:00.560 You shouldn't be concealing anything, but you should understand if you talk 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:03.360 about the things that we talk about, and if you say that 01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:07.200 you have ever heard of us and you don't hate us, you 01:50:07.200 --> 01:50:11.760 will also be called to repent, or you will face excommunication. 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:12.720 That's a fact. 01:50:12.720 --> 01:50:14.160 It's going to happen. 01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:20.560 the vows that we take at baptism and at confirmation say that 01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:22.800 we reject everything of the devil. 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.520 We renounce the devil in all his works and all his ways. 01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:28.960 Well today, who d who are the Lutherans demanded to renounce? 01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:31.440 They're demanded to renounce renounce Cory Mahler. 01:50:31.440 --> 01:50:33.200 And my name will be in there too if they know my 01:50:33.200 --> 01:50:36.480 name. so far they're just trying to personalize it to him, but 01:50:36.480 --> 01:50:37.920 it's absolutely both of us. 01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:39.840 And the other two men on the stream, as I said, have 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:42.080 also been targeted for destruction by the Synod. 01:50:42.080 --> 01:50:45.680 They've been told that unless they disavow us, they'll be excommunicated. 01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:48.160 The they will be told that they are damned to hell for 01:50:48.160 --> 01:50:50.960 eternity. They will never be permitted to commune again. 01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:54.160 Uh they may well be the cops may be called. 01:50:54.160 --> 01:50:56.880 They may be told they can't come to into their churches anymore, 01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:58.080 as it happened to Corey. 01:50:58.080 --> 01:51:00.960 And it was that as would absolutely happen to me if these 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:02.240 men t knew my name. 01:51:02.240 --> 01:51:04.960 So if you remember we did an episode talking about a man 01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:08.400 with no name, or a man whose name no man knows, we 01:51:08.400 --> 01:51:11.040 talked about pseudonymity and its advantages. 01:51:11.040 --> 01:51:14.400 The advantage is I haven't had to face the cops outside my 01:51:14.400 --> 01:51:17.600 church yet because Matt doesn't know my name. 01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:21.440 Matt knows Corey's name, so Pat Matt sent the cops to drag 01:51:21.440 --> 01:51:24.320 Corey out of church and to say that he's not allowed to 01:51:24.320 --> 01:51:25.040 enter again. 01:51:25.040 --> 01:51:27.360 That's a kind of evil we're dealing with. 01:51:27.360 --> 01:51:29.920 So when you hear all these guys saying, Oh, if you're if 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:32.640 you really believe in what you say, you'll use your real name, 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:33.760 they're vipers. 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:36.560 They want to ensure that if you disagree with them, you can 01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:39.040 face the same sort of destruction that all four of us are 01:51:39.040 --> 01:51:39.680 facing. 01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:39.920 Just as 01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:43.200 Just as a sort of side note, I can definitely tell these 01:51:43.200 --> 01:51:47.680 men have read through several of the things on my site because 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:53.200 some of the things they highlight in this particular letter and others, 01:51:53.200 --> 01:51:57.520 they're straight out of my article about testing the orthodoxy of your 01:51:57.520 --> 01:51:59.760 pastor, I can link to that in the show notes. 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:02.240 There's sixteen questions there really 01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:08.880 four big categories, sixteen questions total, and they hit the highlights because 01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:11.840 the things that I mentioned were rank heresy, they don't really touch 01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:16.080 on that because that's things like just straight up rejecting scripture, which 01:52:16.080 --> 01:52:17.200 they do here. 01:52:17.200 --> 01:52:19.840 They don't touch on the issue because they want to get that 01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:20.880 in by the back door. 01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:22.800 They want to sort of hide that. 01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:23.120 But 01:52:24.080 --> 01:52:29.200 the main categories that I have in that article are the reality 01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:32.080 of the sexes, the ontological difference between men and women. 01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:35.520 Well, they touch on that with the denial of the nature of 01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:39.600 woman and the relationship of a woman to her head, whether that 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:42.000 is her father or her husband. 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:44.960 Then there's the issue of the reality of the human races, that's 01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:46.560 of course throughout this letter. 01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:50.080 And then the last was just the verbal inspiration of scripture, which 01:52:50.160 --> 01:52:55.200 again they deny by saying that slavery is sinful. 01:52:55.200 --> 01:52:58.800 Because if you say slavery is sinful, you are denying the plenary 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:01.200 verbal inspiration of Scripture. 01:53:01.200 --> 01:53:03.680 You're giving into Marcionism. 01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:09.440 But to move on to the next paragraph in this letter, I 01:53:09.440 --> 01:53:14.640 am not speaking about the individuals who may have expressed theological concerns 01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:18.000 about the essays published alongside the catechism. 01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:20.640 I am talking about a small number of men who base their 01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:24.400 opposition upon racist and supremacist ideologies. 01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:28.240 The former are welcome, the latter we condemn. 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:32.800 The problem, of course, with this is that we expressed theological concerns 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:37.440 about the essays, and so how does this Venn diagram get parsed 01:53:37.440 --> 01:53:39.200 by Harrison and others? 01:53:39.200 --> 01:53:41.120 Well, we know the answer. 01:53:41.120 --> 01:53:45.840 Anyone who expresses theological concerns, but who can be painted with the 01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:49.920 brush of being a racist or a supremacist does Well, they're going 01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:52.320 to focus on that and get you out of the church because 01:53:52.320 --> 01:53:56.560 that way they can continue to import this false doctrine into the 01:53:56.560 --> 01:53:57.600 church unopposed. 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:01.120 Because that's of course their ultimate goal, because that is the goal 01:54:01.120 --> 01:54:03.200 of the master they are serving. 01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:07.200 And they always want to make it a small number of men. 01:54:07.200 --> 01:54:10.000 It's a small number of men, a small number of men believe 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:11.840 this. One 01:54:13.440 --> 01:54:17.600 there was a time when the church was twelve men, give or 01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:23.360 take. So small number of men, not a very good excuse for 01:54:23.360 --> 01:54:25.840 saying, oh well, it's a small number of men, you can just 01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:26.480 ignore it. 01:54:26.480 --> 01:54:28.960 And actually, there was a time when the church was smaller. 01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:32.000 There was a time when there were four men in the church, 01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:35.280 or one if we go all the way back to Adam. 01:54:35.280 --> 01:54:37.920 So that the number of men is irrelevant, but of course it's 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:39.360 not a small number of men. 01:54:39.360 --> 01:54:42.160 We know that from the statistics for this podcast, we know that 01:54:42.160 --> 01:54:45.120 from the interaction we get, we know that from all of the 01:54:45.120 --> 01:54:48.480 email and comments that we receive constantly. 01:54:48.480 --> 01:54:52.000 It's not a small number of men, as much as Harrison and 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:53.040 others may wish. 01:54:53.040 --> 01:54:57.680 There are more faithful men left than most would like to believe 01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:00.800 those on Harrison's side anyway. 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:05.760 And again we're just back to the accusation of racism and supremacism. 01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:09.280 The supremacism argument I may as well comment it on now since 01:55:09.280 --> 01:55:13.120 I didn't comment on it earlier in the parenthetical section. 01:55:13.120 --> 01:55:14.480 That's not the point. 01:55:14.480 --> 01:55:16.480 It's never been the point. 01:55:16.480 --> 01:55:18.560 It never will be the point for us. 01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:22.400 The issue isn't whether or not a certain group of people is 01:55:22.400 --> 01:55:27.600 better than another group of people generally or specifically with regard to 01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:28.560 something small. 01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:29.920 That's not it. 01:55:30.160 --> 01:55:32.960 You love your people because they're your people. 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:35.360 And that's why one of the first thing, in fact, that I 01:55:35.360 --> 01:55:40.080 linked in my article with regard the one that is about the 01:55:40.080 --> 01:55:42.000 ongoing apostasy of Missouri. 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:43.440 I can link that one as well. 01:55:43.440 --> 01:55:46.080 The show notes are getting long for this episode, but the first 01:55:46.080 --> 01:55:50.640 thing that I linked was a poem by Kipling, The Stranger. 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:55.840 Anyone who's familiar with the poem should immediately bring to mind what 01:55:56.080 --> 01:55:58.400 I intended with that. 01:55:58.400 --> 01:56:03.440 Because the point is not that I believe my people are better. 01:56:03.440 --> 01:56:05.920 The point is not that I believe some other people are worse 01:56:06.080 --> 01:56:07.200 or inferior. 01:56:07.200 --> 01:56:08.400 That's not it. 01:56:08.400 --> 01:56:10.880 Again, they are my people. 01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:11.920 That's why it matters. 01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:13.840 It's the same reason you love your family. 01:56:13.840 --> 01:56:15.120 They're your family. 01:56:15.120 --> 01:56:16.960 It's the same reason you love your cousins. 01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:18.000 They're your family. 01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:19.680 It's the same reason you love your nation. 01:56:19.680 --> 01:56:21.040 It's your nation. 01:56:21.040 --> 01:56:24.640 God has placed you into these groups and you love them because 01:56:24.640 --> 01:56:25.760 they are yours. 01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:29.840 And so I'll just read one stanza from this, I'll link the 01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:32.240 poem for those who want to read the whole of it. 01:56:32.240 --> 01:56:35.520 The men of my own stock, they may do ill or well, 01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:38.000 but they tell the lies I am wanted to, and they are 01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:41.840 used to the lies I tell, and we do not need interpreters 01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:44.720 when we go to buy and sell. 01:56:44.720 --> 01:56:46.240 And that's the point. 01:56:46.240 --> 01:56:49.600 The men of your own nation, the men of your own blood, 01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:52.640 it's not that they're better, it's not that they're worse. 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:53.760 It's that they're yours. 01:56:53.760 --> 01:56:56.400 And so you you have the same outlook, you have the same 01:56:56.400 --> 01:57:00.240 culture, you have the same practices, you understand each other, you get 01:57:00.240 --> 01:57:03.280 along at the pub and in the marketplace and all of these 01:57:03.280 --> 01:57:08.320 things. Because God has made human beings, has made men to be 01:57:08.320 --> 01:57:12.560 social creatures, and you have a social network that it radiates outward 01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:16.640 from you through others to the entirety of your nation. 01:57:16.640 --> 01:57:17.920 That's the point. 01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:23.520 And so the accusation of supremacy or supremist ideologies just falls flat 01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:25.040 in the face of reality. 01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:27.280 No one is advocating that. 01:57:27.280 --> 01:57:29.360 Yes, there are some who are going to say, well, you did 01:57:29.360 --> 01:57:33.840 the IQ episode, and you're saying that the point of that is 01:57:33.840 --> 01:57:36.080 not that one group is better than another. 01:57:36.080 --> 01:57:39.920 The point of that is that there is a biological reality that 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:44.400 we must recognize and deal with it accordingly, in light of how 01:57:44.400 --> 01:57:49.040 it affects our civilization, our culture, our societies, and the church. 01:57:49.040 --> 01:57:51.200 It's a matter of fact. 01:57:51.200 --> 01:57:55.680 And similarly, the same sort of thing holds for the accusation of 01:57:55.680 --> 01:57:59.440 racism. As we mentioned in the last episode, go back and listen 01:57:59.440 --> 01:58:00.720 to it again. 01:58:00.720 --> 01:58:02.720 Racism is a not a sin. 01:58:02.720 --> 01:58:05.280 It's a false sin, it's made up. 01:58:05.280 --> 01:58:07.840 It has existed for not very long. 01:58:08.400 --> 01:58:09.520 It's a lie. 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:15.680 It is a modern nonsense supposed sin that Satan made up in 01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:20.160 order to subvert the church, in order to subvert Christian nations and 01:58:20.160 --> 01:58:25.120 destroy those who sustain the church, to s destroy the next generation 01:58:25.120 --> 01:58:27.760 of every nation that has ever been Christian. 01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:29.760 That's his goal, and he's succeeding. 01:58:29.760 --> 01:58:33.680 He's doing quite a good job of it, because of men like 01:58:33.680 --> 01:58:36.000 Harrison who put out letters like this. 01:58:36.320 --> 01:58:40.400 And men like Harrison put out letters and statements and have views 01:58:40.400 --> 01:58:43.440 like this in pretty much every modern church body, which is why 01:58:43.440 --> 01:58:47.280 this is fundamentally a problem for every Everyone who's listening, it you 01:58:47.280 --> 01:58:51.200 don't have to be Lutheran to have these problems because your churches 01:58:52.320 --> 01:58:55.360 most are probably further down this path, some maybe not quite as 01:58:55.360 --> 01:58:58.400 far, but you're all headed the same way because it's the same 01:58:58.400 --> 01:59:00.720 playbook that's being run everywhere. 01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:03.360 And that's the reason that we did the episode before we started 01:59:03.360 --> 01:59:06.720 the race series, specifically on Satan's playbook. 01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:11.040 The entire synopsis of this paragraph and the preceding two, beginning with 01:59:11.040 --> 01:59:15.520 the one about these alt right individuals, is literally Alinsky. 01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:19.600 Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. 01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:22.240 And that's precisely what has been done here. 01:59:22.240 --> 01:59:26.400 Harrison is using Alinsky's rules against against us. 01:59:26.400 --> 01:59:28.320 He's cutting us out of the herd. 01:59:28.320 --> 01:59:31.680 He's saying that we have a sinful agenda for saying these things 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:35.200 the scripture says, for saying that the church 50 and 100 and 01:59:35.280 --> 01:59:39.120 200 years ago didn't believe what he believes, but we have a 01:59:39.120 --> 01:59:41.040 sinful agenda if we tell you that. 01:59:41.040 --> 01:59:43.680 You can decide for yourself if that's true based on what we 01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:45.520 say. He doesn't want you to hear us. 01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:47.280 He doesn't want anyone to hear us. 01:59:47.280 --> 01:59:51.840 Which is why this campaign of personal and physical destruction has been 01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:56.480 undertaken as is at his command and payrolled by the Missouri Senate. 01:59:56.480 --> 02:00:00.240 They're actually paying people money to try to destroy destroy a layman 02:00:00.240 --> 02:00:03.040 for speaking out against their false doctrine. 02:00:03.280 --> 02:00:03.440 And 02:00:03.440 --> 02:00:08.160 that Alinsky tactic is exactly why you now see a number of 02:00:08.160 --> 02:00:14.480 the synod connected accounts on Twitter and elsewhere pushing the term Mollerite. 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:20.080 they want to lump everyone under my umbrella. 02:00:20.080 --> 02:00:22.400 They want to make it seem like I'm the leader of some 02:00:22.400 --> 02:00:25.680 cult and you are all just parroting the things I say. 02:00:25.680 --> 02:00:28.480 Which is obviously not true because no one is parroting all of 02:00:28.480 --> 02:00:29.440 the things I say. 02:00:29.440 --> 02:00:31.920 Say, but that is their goal, and so they want to use 02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:36.080 the term Mollerite because it is the exact same playbook that Rome 02:00:36.080 --> 02:00:37.680 used against Lutherans. 02:00:37.680 --> 02:00:39.920 That's why we're called Lutherans today. 02:00:39.920 --> 02:00:44.400 We are called Lutherans because Rome used it as a pejorative in 02:00:44.400 --> 02:00:48.560 an attempt to attack and discredit those who were reforming the church 02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:51.600 who were returning it to right doctrine. 02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:55.360 And so what Lutherans did at the time was say, fine, we're 02:00:55.360 --> 02:00:58.640 Lutheran, because we agree with what he's saying because what he's saying 02:00:58.640 --> 02:00:59.360 is true. 02:00:59.360 --> 02:01:03.600 And so of course that backfired against Rome. 02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:08.720 But it's the same playbook because it's the same animating intelligence. 02:01:08.720 --> 02:01:13.120 That is why you see them attempting to brand all of us 02:01:13.120 --> 02:01:19.280 as Mawlerites, because it's the same thing every century, Satan subverts and 02:01:19.280 --> 02:01:23.440 then attacks those who try to push back against the subversion. 02:01:23.680 --> 02:01:27.280 The next two paragraphs, which are very nearly the end, really go 02:01:27.280 --> 02:01:31.840 mask off on what's fundamentally happening here with the Missouri Synod versus 02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:34.960 Christians who are still in its pews. 02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:39.840 This paragraph reads: The LCMS is a robust Christian community under the 02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:43.760 absolute authority of the inerrant scriptures as the very word of God 02:01:43.920 --> 02:01:47.440 and bound together in subscription to our Lutheran confessions. 02:01:47.440 --> 02:01:49.120 Theological dialogue is good. 02:01:49.120 --> 02:01:55.040 We have clear processes for registering concerns over published materials, and we 02:01:55.040 --> 02:01:57.680 encourage such theological critique. 02:01:57.680 --> 02:02:01.280 The biblical confession of the LCMS on doctrine and life is true 02:02:01.280 --> 02:02:02.400 and unchangeable. 02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:05.520 Now this is two giveaways. 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:10.400 One, they say under the absolute authority in in air scripture, except 02:02:10.400 --> 02:02:14.320 for Leviticus, and except for Joshua and except for First Samuel, because 02:02:14.400 --> 02:02:17.120 we don't believe the stuff about sodomites, we don't believe the stuff 02:02:17.280 --> 02:02:20.720 about genocide, we don't believe the stuff about girls, we don't believe 02:02:20.720 --> 02:02:23.440 the stuff about la slavery, but other than that, yeah, we this 02:02:23.440 --> 02:02:25.600 Bible stuff, we were we're pretty solid with it. 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:27.760 Bull. See, this is what happens. 02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:31.840 You will have people who will give a general confession and a 02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:35.280 specific confession, and they'll be at odds with each other. 02:02:35.280 --> 02:02:40.160 And it's done to confuse people because the general confession is always 02:02:40.560 --> 02:02:41.200 gonna be good. 02:02:41.200 --> 02:02:43.280 It's always gonna be the Jesus dust. 02:02:43.280 --> 02:02:46.160 It's always gonna be v something that you can't argue with, not 02:02:46.160 --> 02:02:47.360 if you're a Christian. 02:02:47.360 --> 02:02:49.600 And then they'll give the specific confession. 02:02:49.600 --> 02:02:54.080 And the specific confession is contrary to the very general confession that 02:02:54.080 --> 02:02:54.960 they've just made. 02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.680 So in this case, the general confession is we love scripture. 02:02:57.680 --> 02:03:01.920 And the specific confession is but not slavery, but not patriarchy, none 02:03:01.920 --> 02:03:02.640 of that stuff. 02:03:02.640 --> 02:03:03.520 That's cringe. 02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:04.160 That's evil. 02:03:04.160 --> 02:03:07.280 We can reject and condemn that in the strongest possible terms. 02:03:07.280 --> 02:03:10.240 Well, which is their true confession? 02:03:10.240 --> 02:03:12.000 It's not the Jesus dust. 02:03:12.000 --> 02:03:14.720 This is pro forma boilerplate. 02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:17.520 This is stuff that Christians say when they don't have anything to 02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:19.760 say to make sure you remember they're Christian. 02:03:20.080 --> 02:03:25.680 The specifics that they gave, the lies, the libel, the venom, those 02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:27.200 are their true confession. 02:03:27.200 --> 02:03:30.160 And forget whether or not they said something mean about us. 02:03:30.160 --> 02:03:32.480 They're defying and despising God's word. 02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:34.160 That's why we're concerned. 02:03:34.160 --> 02:03:37.360 I'm not concerned about the pact fact that some fat buffoon in 02:03:37.360 --> 02:03:39.280 St. Louis doesn't like me. 02:03:39.280 --> 02:03:42.400 I'm concerned about the fact that the president of the Missouri Synod 02:03:42.720 --> 02:03:47.040 is openly saying that scripture is wrong while saying it's right, because 02:03:47.040 --> 02:03:51.200 that creates cognitive dissness in the in the listener's mind who's gonna 02:03:51.200 --> 02:03:54.880 believe him 'cause he's got a collar and he's got a reputation 02:03:55.040 --> 02:03:56.480 and he's got a title. 02:03:56.480 --> 02:03:59.680 And so what he must be what he's saying must be true. 02:03:59.680 --> 02:04:02.560 And he says it's in scripture, so I gotta believe it. 02:04:02.560 --> 02:04:05.680 When a pastor lies, he binds consciences. 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:09.840 When a pastor lies, he sends people to hell who don't know 02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:10.640 any better. 02:04:10.640 --> 02:04:14.320 This is why Corey and I focus so much on teachers because 02:04:14.320 --> 02:04:17.520 if you have a good teacher and you're an idiot, you're going 02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:20.080 to be just fine, because as long as you believe his faithful 02:04:20.080 --> 02:04:23.840 teaching, you will be received with welcome arms in the kingdom of 02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:27.760 God because you're going to take a faithful confession to your grave. 02:04:27.760 --> 02:04:31.520 If you have a wolf like these men who tells you, Oh, 02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:32.640 that's not the true God. 02:04:32.640 --> 02:04:34.640 The God of the Old Testament isn't the true God. 02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:35.840 We have the God of love now. 02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:37.680 That's the God of God you want to worship. 02:04:37.680 --> 02:04:39.360 That's the God you want to focus on. 02:04:39.360 --> 02:04:40.880 And his name is Jesus. 02:04:40.880 --> 02:04:44.000 Well, at some point you have to start wondering if we're even 02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:46.160 talking about the same Jesus at all. 02:04:46.160 --> 02:04:49.600 Because the Jesus who cleansed the temple of the money changers is 02:04:49.600 --> 02:04:52.080 not the Jesus that these guys want to worship. 02:04:52.080 --> 02:04:54.880 And we don't bring that up to try to make Jesus to 02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:58.000 be some wrathful thing when there's peace. 02:04:58.000 --> 02:05:00.160 God is all those things at once. 02:05:00.160 --> 02:05:03.040 It's why we did the episode on perfect hatred. 02:05:03.040 --> 02:05:05.440 Like this is this is a tapestry. 02:05:05.440 --> 02:05:09.200 All these episodes fit together because they're all pieces of the same 02:05:09.200 --> 02:05:10.560 whole. So 02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:14.480 when he says, Oh yeah, I like scripture, but not that part, 02:05:14.480 --> 02:05:17.440 you need to listen to the not that part and you need 02:05:17.440 --> 02:05:21.120 to disregard when he claims to like scripture because he simply doesn't. 02:05:21.120 --> 02:05:24.960 And the other part here I want to highlight is theological dialogue 02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:25.600 is good. 02:05:25.600 --> 02:05:29.360 We have clear processes for registering concerns. 02:05:29.360 --> 02:05:32.160 Now this is fundamentally authoritarian. 02:05:32.160 --> 02:05:34.320 This is fundamentally top-down. 02:05:34.320 --> 02:05:37.120 To say, oh, you don't like something the Synod did, you don't 02:05:37.040 --> 02:05:39.200 like something they published in their materials. 02:05:39.200 --> 02:05:40.640 There's a process for that. 02:05:40.640 --> 02:05:41.600 What's the process? 02:05:41.600 --> 02:05:43.520 It's not pod podcasting. 02:05:43.520 --> 02:05:44.640 It's not tweeting. 02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:46.240 Don't you dare do that. 02:05:46.240 --> 02:05:50.160 Now what's omitted from this paragraph in the next paragraph is something 02:05:50.160 --> 02:05:52.080 we've talked about several times. 02:05:52.080 --> 02:05:56.800 In twenty sixteen and in 2019, the Missouri Synod amended its own 02:05:56.800 --> 02:06:03.680 bylaws to prohibit pastors from publicly disagreeing with synodical statements or each 02:06:03.680 --> 02:06:07.680 other. They locked every member of Synod, which is something that he 02:06:07.680 --> 02:06:12.080 refers to in the previous thing, we talked about uh these members 02:06:12.080 --> 02:06:13.600 of synod being attacked. 02:06:13.600 --> 02:06:17.040 That doesn't mean parishioners, that means pastors. 02:06:17.040 --> 02:06:18.400 I'm not a member of synod. 02:06:18.400 --> 02:06:21.040 I'm a member of a congregation that's a member of synod. 02:06:21.040 --> 02:06:24.160 Member of Synod, when Harrison says it, is a term of art 02:06:24.400 --> 02:06:26.240 that refers to his collar buddies. 02:06:26.240 --> 02:06:28.480 It refers to the other pastors. 02:06:28.480 --> 02:06:33.280 Pastors are not permitted to speak against other pastors publicly, period. 02:06:33.360 --> 02:06:34.720 You can't disagree theologically. 02:06:35.120 --> 02:06:39.680 It's barred by the bylaws, which are corporate bylaws that govern whether 02:06:39.680 --> 02:06:43.760 or not they may continue to be members in good standing of 02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:44.960 the corporation. 02:06:44.960 --> 02:06:47.440 Now, if you're not a member in good standing of the corporation 02:06:47.440 --> 02:06:49.520 of the LCMS, what happens? 02:06:49.520 --> 02:06:52.800 You cannot be called to another Missouri Synod church, and you're no 02:06:52.800 --> 02:06:55.600 longer eligible to be in a call in your own church. 02:06:55.600 --> 02:06:59.200 So what that means functionally is if a pastor disagrees with the 02:06:59.520 --> 02:07:03.440 pedochism, with the large cataclysm, that pastor can only do it in 02:07:03.440 --> 02:07:06.960 private or he will face being expelled from the corporation. 02:07:06.960 --> 02:07:09.520 We don't have those shackles. 02:07:09.520 --> 02:07:11.840 Corey is not a member of Senate, I am not a member 02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:12.800 of Senate. 02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:16.480 We are not bound by what the Missouri Senate bylaws say. 02:07:16.480 --> 02:07:20.480 Harrison has no control over us, and they've realized in the last 02:07:20.480 --> 02:07:24.000 six months that that is a threat to the demonic evil that 02:07:24.000 --> 02:07:25.360 they are spreading. 02:07:25.360 --> 02:07:28.080 Because the lies that they're putting in these books that they're then 02:07:28.080 --> 02:07:31.360 saying, oh, it's a published material from the church, you can't question 02:07:31.360 --> 02:07:36.160 it, these lies, layman spoke up and it caused a fur, a 02:07:36.160 --> 02:07:38.480 righteous fur from pastors too. 02:07:38.480 --> 02:07:42.400 Pastors temporarily disregarded those bylaws and said, I don't care about the 02:07:42.400 --> 02:07:45.840 bylaws. I care that we have things in a in a publication 02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:48.480 from synod that contradicts scripture. 02:07:48.480 --> 02:07:51.920 And as a faithful shepherd, I must speak against that. 02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:54.720 Now they've pretty much vanished at this point because the memo met 02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:55.840 out went out. 02:07:56.960 --> 02:07:58.880 remember who you serve. 02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:00.240 And it's not Jesus. 02:08:00.560 --> 02:08:04.240 it's bylaw one point eight point two of the Missouri Syndication Constitution. 02:08:04.240 --> 02:08:05.440 That's what they serve. 02:08:05.440 --> 02:08:07.920 They cannot disagree publicly or they'll be drummed out 02:08:08.000 --> 02:08:08.480 Aaron Powell And 02:08:08.480 --> 02:08:11.920 it is worth mentioning that if they get drummed out, that also 02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:16.400 in endangers their health insurance and their pension. 02:08:16.400 --> 02:08:19.840 In most cases, or at least in many cases, I don't know 02:08:19.840 --> 02:08:23.920 exactly the percentage on that, but there is a very real tangible 02:08:23.920 --> 02:08:29.280 concern for the members of synod if they go against synontical leadership. 02:08:29.280 --> 02:08:32.880 Of course, there should also be the theological concern of are you 02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:36.000 choosing the world over God? 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:40.880 And so any pastors, teachers, others listening to this, you should think 02:08:40.880 --> 02:08:43.600 long and hard about which side you are going to take in 02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:45.760 this conflict. 02:08:45.760 --> 02:08:49.040 Personally I think the sides are very clear, and I don't see 02:08:49.040 --> 02:08:52.880 how anyone could think otherwise, but you have to make that decision 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:55.600 for yourself. 02:08:55.600 --> 02:08:59.120 But I also found it ironic that they say we have clear 02:08:59.120 --> 02:09:02.640 processes. Sure. 02:09:02.960 --> 02:09:04.560 Sure you do. 02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:07.760 The process that they will always tell you is that you are 02:09:07.760 --> 02:09:11.520 supposed to, if for instance, a pastor does something Does something truly 02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:16.400 heinous, like dressing in drag to consecrate a new piano. 02:09:16.400 --> 02:09:17.600 You know, just a 02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:21.920 example picked at random out of my mind, certainly not something that 02:09:21.920 --> 02:09:26.240 would happen in a conservative church like the LCMS. 02:09:26.240 --> 02:09:28.960 But if a pastor does that, you are supposed to complain to 02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:33.200 his district president, who will then wave you off and do absolutely 02:09:33.200 --> 02:09:34.400 nothing about it 02:09:35.360 --> 02:09:39.200 except for tell you to be silent because obviously we wouldn't want 02:09:39.200 --> 02:09:41.920 to embarrass the church by speaking about it. 02:09:41.920 --> 02:09:44.880 And so we know how these processes work, which is to say 02:09:44.880 --> 02:09:46.080 they don't. 02:09:46.080 --> 02:09:52.320 For instance, this is not the first damnable thing that Harrison has 02:09:52.320 --> 02:09:59.200 published. Another great example would be his published and still up response 02:09:59.200 --> 02:10:02.240 to Floyd's suicide. 02:10:02.240 --> 02:10:07.920 He He high-handedly, flagrantly violated as many of the commandments as he 02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:11.840 possibly could in that piece, perhaps not all of them, but he 02:10:11.840 --> 02:10:18.880 certainly became an active idolater, murderer, and slanderer, because he called racism 02:10:19.040 --> 02:10:23.600 the original sin of the United States, which is quite the claim 02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:26.320 for a man who is supposedly a pastor and a leader of 02:10:26.320 --> 02:10:29.360 a church body, but that's still up. 02:10:29.360 --> 02:10:34.720 And the reason I bring up that particular piece, letter, what article, 02:10:34.720 --> 02:10:39.440 whatever you want to call it, he was called to repentance by 02:10:39.760 --> 02:10:44.640 many pastors privately, of course, because if they done it publicly they 02:10:44.640 --> 02:10:46.080 would have been expelled. 02:10:46.080 --> 02:10:49.520 I wrote him a letter, I copied all of the VPs on 02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:52.240 my letter, I sent an electronic copy. 02:10:52.240 --> 02:10:56.880 I included a little gift with the letter just as a sign 02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:01.600 of good will toward the Pricidium. 02:11:01.600 --> 02:11:03.520 I didn't get a response. 02:11:03.520 --> 02:11:05.280 Basically no one got a response. 02:11:05.280 --> 02:11:08.560 A few pastors got responses, but nothing was done. 02:11:08.560 --> 02:11:10.320 The letter is still up. 02:11:10.320 --> 02:11:15.840 That is still damnable false doctrine on, if not the homepage, then 02:11:16.160 --> 02:11:21.120 one level under the home page of the LCMS site. 02:11:21.120 --> 02:11:23.200 That is still lying in God's name and lying in the name 02:11:23.200 --> 02:11:27.760 of every single Lutheran in the LCMS. 02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:32.000 And so this we have clear processes mean means nothing because the 02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:38.400 processes don't do anything because the leadership of synod is apostate or 02:11:38.400 --> 02:11:46.480 derelict. So moving on to the next paragraph LCMS 02:11:46.480 --> 02:11:49.680 congregations agree to uphold our biblical standards. 02:11:49.680 --> 02:11:52.160 We are not a top-down institution. 02:11:52.160 --> 02:11:56.240 That said, I will work together with our pastors and district presidents 02:11:56.240 --> 02:12:00.160 to address this matter wherever it arises among us and reject it. 02:12:00.480 --> 02:12:03.760 We issue the cry of Jesus, repent for the kingdom of heaven 02:12:03.760 --> 02:12:04.320 is at hand 02:12:05.360 --> 02:12:09.120 two. We are confident that the same law and gospel that broke 02:12:09.120 --> 02:12:13.680 the hard heart of Saint Paul, himself a murderer and blasphemer, can 02:12:13.680 --> 02:12:15.680 and will do the same today. 02:12:15.680 --> 02:12:18.080 We are all called to repentance daily. 02:12:18.080 --> 02:12:21.760 The blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin, John 02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:22.800 one seven. 02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:28.800 Where that call to repentance is not heeded, there must be excommunication. 02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:32.880 And of course the point of the this paragraph is twofold. 02:12:32.880 --> 02:12:34.640 It's to advance the 02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:39.120 well, not exactly a lie, but increasingly so. 02:12:39.120 --> 02:12:44.000 We are not a top down institution, because he of course subverts 02:12:44.000 --> 02:12:47.040 that exact statement with the very next sentence saying that he will 02:12:47.040 --> 02:12:50.880 work together with pastors and district presidents to address the matter, which 02:12:50.880 --> 02:12:53.600 is saying that Synod is going to give marching orders to the 02:12:53.600 --> 02:12:57.120 district presidents who will give marching orders to the pastors who will 02:12:57.120 --> 02:12:59.120 then do whatever Synod commanded. 02:12:59.120 --> 02:13:01.680 And I'm not just saying that we've seen that happening behind the 02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:04.320 scenes and we will comment on that soon enough. 02:13:04.320 --> 02:13:08.400 But then of course, the second point is that last sentence. 02:13:08.400 --> 02:13:12.320 Where that call to repentance is not heeded, there must be excommunication, 02:13:12.320 --> 02:13:16.480 and that of course is their goal, is to excommunicate anyone who 02:13:16.480 --> 02:13:21.120 disagrees with anything they're doing, whether it's the annotated large catechism, the 02:13:21.120 --> 02:13:26.960 comments on racism, the letter about Floyd's suicide, all of these things. 02:13:27.120 --> 02:13:28.160 That is their goal. 02:13:28.160 --> 02:13:32.880 Their goal is to drive every faithful man willing to stand up 02:13:33.200 --> 02:13:37.280 and oppose this evil out of the churches. 02:13:37.280 --> 02:13:40.240 Because the goal of Satan, and he is their master, he is 02:13:40.240 --> 02:13:43.520 the animating intelligence in this, he is the one they are serving. 02:13:43.520 --> 02:13:47.200 His goal is the destruction of the church. 02:13:47.200 --> 02:13:52.080 Because the LCMS, for many years, for decades, was one of the 02:13:52.080 --> 02:13:55.680 most faithful church bodies on the face of the planet, and Satan 02:13:56.240 --> 02:13:59.040 hates that, and he will not forget. 02:13:59.040 --> 02:14:04.400 And so his goal is to utterly destroy the LCMS to make 02:14:04.400 --> 02:14:07.200 us at least as bad as Elka, if not worse. 02:14:07.200 --> 02:14:11.040 We are quite frankly trending toward being worse than Elka with the 02:14:11.040 --> 02:14:13.360 way this letter and other things are heading. 02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:16.880 As we said earlier, all four men who were on the turnip 02:14:17.040 --> 02:14:22.960 stream specifically highlighting the theological issues with the large cataclysm were specifically 02:14:22.960 --> 02:14:27.680 targeted for excommunication if they did not repent and disavow each other. 02:14:27.680 --> 02:14:29.520 So he's followed through with that. 02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:34.800 And that's again further proof that this letter is specifically about us 02:14:35.040 --> 02:14:37.120 and about the Stone Choir podcast. 02:14:37.360 --> 02:14:40.320 One more thing about this paragraph before we move on, because some 02:14:40.320 --> 02:14:44.080 are not going to notice what was said here. 02:14:44.080 --> 02:14:48.960 When Harrison chooses his words in this paragraph, when he chooses Saint 02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:52.560 Paul as his example, and then says that Saint Paul was a 02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:57.120 murderer and blasphemer, he is leveling the accusation of being a murderer 02:14:57.120 --> 02:15:03.920 and blasphemer against me, against Wo, against Ryan Turnipseed, against the other 02:15:03.920 --> 02:15:07.520 man who was on that stream, against anyone who stands up and 02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:09.360 opposes this false doctrine. 02:15:09.360 --> 02:15:11.520 That is what is being said there. 02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:12.480 And so if you disagree 02:15:13.680 --> 02:15:16.400 with what is being done if you're a Lutheran in your name, 02:15:16.400 --> 02:15:19.840 if you are a Christian in another tradition, what is undoubtedly being 02:15:19.840 --> 02:15:23.680 done by other men in your name or will be soon enough, 02:15:23.680 --> 02:15:28.240 then according to Matt Harrison, you are a murderer and a blasphemer. 02:15:28.240 --> 02:15:30.480 Yep. You're absolutely right. 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:34.480 So this last paragraph that we're gonna read, it's not the last 02:15:34.480 --> 02:15:36.400 paragraph, but the last few are just fluff. 02:15:36.400 --> 02:15:38.080 You c we'll link it so you can read the full thing 02:15:38.080 --> 02:15:42.720 yourself. Harrison concludes in his own words Of all the things I've 02:15:42.720 --> 02:15:46.000 seen as LCMS president, this is the most bizarre. 02:15:46.000 --> 02:15:51.280 I am informed that other conservative denominations are experiencing similar challenges. 02:15:51.280 --> 02:15:55.280 This horrid attack of the devil drives us to be firm in 02:15:55.280 --> 02:15:56.400 our confession. 02:15:56.400 --> 02:16:00.320 Our message of Christ the Savior for all, our local and global 02:16:00.320 --> 02:16:04.640 mission that serves the entire human race with forgiveness and joy stands 02:16:04.640 --> 02:16:07.360 firmly opposed to Satan and all evil. 02:16:07.360 --> 02:16:11.840 Our steadfast message of love and biblical fidelity on all the cultural 02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:16.000 issues of marriage, sexuality, race, and life is an assault on the 02:16:16.000 --> 02:16:18.080 devil and his minions to no end. 02:16:18.080 --> 02:16:23.280 Our steadfast witness and assistance to our global Lutheran friends has the 02:16:23.280 --> 02:16:25.040 devil fuming. 02:16:25.040 --> 02:16:30.720 Now notice how much he focuses on the LCMS preaching overseas. 02:16:30.880 --> 02:16:33.920 We've mentioned some of the stats previously, but I I saw some 02:16:33.920 --> 02:16:36.800 stats I think just in the last week that the actual attendance 02:16:36.800 --> 02:16:40.400 in the in the LCMS last year was about four hundred and 02:16:40.720 --> 02:16:42.000 eighty thousand souls. 02:16:42.000 --> 02:16:46.720 That means a a tiny fraction of the United States population is 02:16:46.720 --> 02:16:48.400 in LCMS churches. 02:16:48.400 --> 02:16:51.920 And the overwhelming majority, even of Christians, have never heard of us. 02:16:51.920 --> 02:16:55.520 And if they know anything, they probably know that we're the conservative, 02:16:55.520 --> 02:16:58.400 you know, Lutherans that kind of stay off by ourselves, but no 02:16:58.400 --> 02:16:59.760 more than that. 02:16:59.840 --> 02:17:03.840 One of the things that has Matt Howling is that we have 02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:07.680 exposed through his words and deeds that the Missouri Senate is not 02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:12.480 in fact the conservative so called denomination that has been made out 02:17:12.480 --> 02:17:14.560 to be, one that it was historically. 02:17:14.560 --> 02:17:17.120 You know, if you go back to the poll results from nineteen 02:17:17.200 --> 02:17:20.720 sixty five, you'll find the Missouri Senate at the very top of 02:17:20.720 --> 02:17:28.000 everything on inerrancy and every sound Christian doctrine compared to other denominations, 02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:31.120 we stood head and shoulders above the rest. 02:17:31.120 --> 02:17:35.440 He gets something right, that there are other conservative denominations that are 02:17:35.920 --> 02:17:38.000 experiencing similar challenges. 02:17:38.000 --> 02:17:42.240 Now the challenge is not that there are faithful laymen who are 02:17:42.240 --> 02:17:43.680 speaking against evil. 02:17:43.680 --> 02:17:46.960 That is of course God's hand working in the world. 02:17:47.200 --> 02:17:51.920 The challenge is that there are faithful laymen in other non Lutheran 02:17:51.920 --> 02:17:55.280 denominations, quite a few of whom listen to this podcast. 02:17:55.280 --> 02:17:58.400 I wouldn't be surprised at all if the majority of our probably 02:17:58.400 --> 02:18:02.240 twelve hundred plus subscribers so far are not Lutheran, and I'm very 02:18:02.240 --> 02:18:03.440 thankful for that. 02:18:03.440 --> 02:18:08.320 Because regardless of what is going on in our particular denomination, Corey 02:18:08.320 --> 02:18:12.400 and I are never going to waver on our belief that Lutheran 02:18:12.400 --> 02:18:17.120 doctrine as it was inherited from centuries ago is sound doctrine. 02:18:17.120 --> 02:18:20.560 The issue that we take today is with the very men, the 02:18:20.560 --> 02:18:24.560 wolves who masquerade as shepherds, who are seeking to subvert and destroy 02:18:24.560 --> 02:18:25.360 that doctrine. 02:18:25.360 --> 02:18:29.040 So The fact that other churches are going through the same problems, 02:18:29.040 --> 02:18:30.640 yeah, that's no surprise at all. 02:18:30.640 --> 02:18:34.080 And some of the men who in the layman who are subjected 02:18:34.080 --> 02:18:38.320 to similar persecution and other denominations, I hope will find each other 02:18:38.320 --> 02:18:40.000 as as listeners of this show. 02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:43.680 And I think increasingly we're we are and will continue to find 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:44.880 each other online. 02:18:44.880 --> 02:18:48.320 And as I've said on Twitter recently, as Lutherans we're never going 02:18:48.320 --> 02:18:52.560 to capitulate on the sacraments in particular because we believe that we 02:18:52.560 --> 02:18:54.240 have correct sacramental theology. 02:18:54.240 --> 02:18:57.440 That's not negotiable for a Lutheran. 02:18:57.440 --> 02:19:02.640 However, there is so much of what I see from many reformed 02:19:02.800 --> 02:19:07.920 and similar Christians that is much closer to the sort of Christianity 02:19:07.920 --> 02:19:11.120 that I find in the Bible than I'm finding even from pastors 02:19:11.120 --> 02:19:13.040 that I've been told are confessional. 02:19:13.040 --> 02:19:17.600 Because it turns out when when the Lutheran confessions run out of 02:19:17.600 --> 02:19:20.880 things to say, these guys just get stuck in a loop. 02:19:20.880 --> 02:19:23.840 All they can do is talk about the Book of Concord, which 02:19:23.840 --> 02:19:26.480 is four hundred and forty years old. 02:19:26.480 --> 02:19:27.760 It doesn't help. 02:19:27.760 --> 02:19:30.480 There are things that it doesn't talk about and so And so 02:19:30.640 --> 02:19:36.240 there are other bodies who are continuing to face doctrinal issues in 02:19:36.240 --> 02:19:37.760 the world head on. 02:19:37.760 --> 02:19:40.640 And I wish that they were coming at them from Lutheran perspectives, 02:19:40.640 --> 02:19:45.040 because I think that the foundation theologically and philosophically that we have. 02:19:45.040 --> 02:19:48.800 Personally I prefer it, but I can't argue with the results that 02:19:48.800 --> 02:19:52.160 these men who are in other traditions are coming to the results 02:19:52.160 --> 02:19:54.320 that Corey and I have alone. 02:19:54.320 --> 02:19:56.720 And Corey and I are pretty much the only ones saying these 02:19:56.720 --> 02:19:59.440 things. And it's not because we're not good Lutherans. 02:19:59.440 --> 02:20:03.120 It's because we're largely alone as Lutherans. 02:20:03.120 --> 02:20:03.440 And 02:20:04.320 --> 02:20:07.520 I don't know what the future is going to be for Protestantism 02:20:07.520 --> 02:20:08.960 in in North America. 02:20:08.960 --> 02:20:12.240 Uh Uh I have my private opinions and you know, if I 02:20:12.240 --> 02:20:14.800 said 'em now there'd be a prophecy of some sort, but I'll 02:20:14.800 --> 02:20:15.280 save it. 02:20:15.280 --> 02:20:18.160 I don't need credit for being right later because it's frankly not 02:20:18.160 --> 02:20:19.200 very good news. 02:20:19.200 --> 02:20:22.240 But I will say this the church is not going to go 02:20:22.240 --> 02:20:23.760 away. Church with a capital C 02:20:24.800 --> 02:20:26.880 because we have the Word of God. 02:20:26.880 --> 02:20:29.440 And even if every man who's listening to this and every man 02:20:29.440 --> 02:20:32.560 who has any faith in his heart is arrested and thrown out 02:20:32.560 --> 02:20:35.200 of his congregation, they will still be Christians. 02:20:35.200 --> 02:20:37.600 They will still be baptized members of Christ's body 02:20:38.480 --> 02:20:41.840 and we cannot be plucked from God's hand, no matter what the 02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:44.240 wolves and the antichrist do among us. 02:20:44.240 --> 02:20:47.520 So all the nonsense that you're hearing in your churches and you're 02:20:47.520 --> 02:20:50.640 hearing us talk about in our churches should not be it should 02:20:50.640 --> 02:20:53.280 be a cause from concern, but it should not be a cause 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:54.480 for despair. 02:20:54.480 --> 02:20:58.160 As I've as I've said before, if you just you know read 02:20:58.160 --> 02:21:02.000 through the New Testament every two months, you will see these events 02:21:02.000 --> 02:21:06.240 described over and over where men are thrown out of synagogues, where 02:21:06.240 --> 02:21:09.760 Jesus says that that will happen, where Jesus says that they will 02:21:09.760 --> 02:21:12.880 kill you in my name and they will think that they are 02:21:12.880 --> 02:21:13.840 serving me. 02:21:13.840 --> 02:21:16.800 But when we have the we have the Missouri Synod swatting members 02:21:16.800 --> 02:21:20.880 of Missouri Synod congregations, I don't know how much closer you can 02:21:20.880 --> 02:21:22.880 get without having a lion pit. 02:21:22.880 --> 02:21:26.240 And that's that's the future that I think maybe we face as 02:21:26.240 --> 02:21:29.280 Christians. And I don't think that's bleak. 02:21:29.280 --> 02:21:31.840 I mean, as as stupid as that may sound. 02:21:31.840 --> 02:21:34.960 I think that if if we are blessed to be in a 02:21:34.960 --> 02:21:40.160 time of persecution where we are hated for Christ's sake, we should 02:21:40.160 --> 02:21:44.640 have confidence in the God who gave us our faith because there's 02:21:44.640 --> 02:21:46.800 nothing that we can do on our own to change any of 02:21:46.800 --> 02:21:50.320 this. All we can do is proclaim Christ and proclaim his word 02:21:50.480 --> 02:21:52.080 faithfully, all of it. 02:21:52.080 --> 02:21:56.400 Proclaim Leviticus and first In first Samuel, and wherever you find the 02:21:56.400 --> 02:22:00.160 word of God that's relevant to today, don't be ashamed of it, 02:22:00.160 --> 02:22:03.040 even if your church body is, and if your church body is 02:22:03.040 --> 02:22:07.120 ashamed of the word of God, find out why that is. 02:22:07.200 --> 02:22:09.760 Find out if it's a new recent thing, as this is in 02:22:09.760 --> 02:22:10.720 the Missouri Synod. 02:22:10.720 --> 02:22:13.600 Like this is this is fairly new for us to be this 02:22:13.600 --> 02:22:17.120 radically hateful towards scripture. 02:22:17.120 --> 02:22:21.280 It's been decades that this is coming, I think really since seminac, 02:22:21.280 --> 02:22:24.400 since the sixties, that this began to emerge. 02:22:24.400 --> 02:22:27.680 But we are still at the cusp of something new, which is 02:22:27.680 --> 02:22:30.480 why I said earlier I think that the turn ups stream that 02:22:30.480 --> 02:22:33.680 we did on the large cataclysm will be a turning point. 02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:38.000 But the 'cause the fact that the Missouri Synod has specifically targeted 02:22:38.000 --> 02:22:42.080 four laymen for destruction for saying these things that are faithful to 02:22:42.080 --> 02:22:47.200 scripture is the biggest scandal in the history of Lutheranism. 02:22:47.200 --> 02:22:49.920 Once you know, once you bet get past the drama of the 02:22:49.920 --> 02:22:54.800 very first few decades, nothing this bad has happened to Lutheranism from 02:22:54.800 --> 02:22:58.160 within Lutheranism by the men who claim to be Lutheran. 02:22:58.160 --> 02:23:01.840 We bet we faced assaults from without and we've faced different types 02:23:01.840 --> 02:23:07.760 of betrayal, but this sort of subversion from a literal antichrist figure 02:23:07.760 --> 02:23:10.880 who stands in the stead of Christ and lies in his name 02:23:10.880 --> 02:23:14.240 and contradicts scripture is truly unprecedented. 02:23:14.240 --> 02:23:16.480 And again, it's this isn't just a Lutheran problem. 02:23:16.480 --> 02:23:18.960 Every denomination is facing similar issues. 02:23:18.960 --> 02:23:23.200 So Harrison did tell the truth here that other conservative denominations are 02:23:23.200 --> 02:23:28.080 indeed experiencing similar challenges because Satan has a playbook and our leaders 02:23:28.080 --> 02:23:29.360 are running that playbook. 02:23:29.360 --> 02:23:31.120 They're using Alinsky's rules. 02:23:31.120 --> 02:23:32.640 They're targeting faithful men. 02:23:32.640 --> 02:23:35.680 Because Satan knows who the Christians are. 02:23:35.680 --> 02:23:38.560 Just as God knows, God wrote our name in the book of 02:23:38.560 --> 02:23:39.760 life from before eternity. 02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:42.480 Satan knows who the ones with faith are, 'cause he knows who 02:23:42.640 --> 02:23:46.160 he needs to destroy, and he knows he needs to destroy stone 02:23:46.160 --> 02:23:50.000 choir. He needs to keep anyone from hearing what we say because 02:23:50.240 --> 02:23:52.800 they threat to men who will lie in God's name. 02:23:52.800 --> 02:23:56.800 This terror that you're seeing is because none of the apparatus within 02:23:56.800 --> 02:24:03.520 the Missouri Synod edifice can account for laymen speaking faithfully without permission 02:24:03.520 --> 02:24:04.400 from their pastors. 02:24:04.560 --> 02:24:06.000 They don't have any rules for this. 02:24:06.000 --> 02:24:06.720 So what do they do? 02:24:06.720 --> 02:24:10.240 They go straight to excommunication and doxing and threats of the most 02:24:10.400 --> 02:24:11.280 horrible kinds. 02:24:11.280 --> 02:24:14.560 And slander the will and can destroy many. 02:24:14.560 --> 02:24:17.680 Most men can't stand up to this sort of slander, especially when 02:24:17.680 --> 02:24:19.200 it comes from your own pastor. 02:24:19.200 --> 02:24:23.760 So these are very real and consequential matters, but if the demons 02:24:23.760 --> 02:24:27.760 of the Saint Louis and the demons and all your other denominations 02:24:27.760 --> 02:24:32.000 think that they're going to dissuade faithful men by being demons. 02:24:32.320 --> 02:24:35.520 They don't understand their nature and they don't understand our nature. 02:24:35.520 --> 02:24:37.840 We will do what God commands us to do because we are 02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:38.960 faithful creatures. 02:24:38.960 --> 02:24:42.880 We are slaves to Christ, and we will continue to obey him. 02:24:42.880 --> 02:24:46.640 Because as Peter said to Christ, Lord to whom shall we go? 02:24:46.640 --> 02:24:48.720 You have the words of eternal life. 02:24:48.720 --> 02:24:50.880 That should be every Christian's confession. 02:24:50.880 --> 02:24:52.400 Where else are you going to go? 02:24:52.400 --> 02:24:55.040 And if our churches won't be faithful, it doesn't change the fact 02:24:55.040 --> 02:24:56.880 that God is faithful to us. 02:24:56.880 --> 02:24:59.120 And that's something we all need to keep in our hearts in 02:24:59.120 --> 02:24:59.520 mind. 02:24:59.920 --> 02:25:02.960 To some degree, I'm glad that we're the ones being targeted, because 02:25:03.040 --> 02:25:07.920 as you said, we're able to stand up under this assault, and 02:25:07.920 --> 02:25:11.520 God knows that, and so undoubtedly that would be the reason he 02:25:11.520 --> 02:25:16.640 has permitted us to be this part of his plan. 02:25:16.640 --> 02:25:20.080 And I do believe that good will come of this. 02:25:20.080 --> 02:25:20.720 We are 02:25:22.000 --> 02:25:24.640 Not done with the hard part yet. 02:25:24.960 --> 02:25:30.240 the hard part is coming, but it is certainly begun. 02:25:30.240 --> 02:25:32.720 I just wanted to highlight that 02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:38.640 as you pointed out, he focuses so much on foreign misses in 02:25:38.640 --> 02:25:43.200 this, and that's because that is the only concern of men like 02:25:43.200 --> 02:25:47.760 Harrison, because that is what gets him praise from the culture. 02:25:48.240 --> 02:25:51.920 He doesn't care about the church, he doesn't care about the gospel, 02:25:51.920 --> 02:25:53.840 he doesn't care about Christianity. 02:25:53.840 --> 02:25:59.040 If he cared about those things, he would be attempting to fix 02:25:59.040 --> 02:26:03.680 the problems we have at home, as was mentioned. 02:26:03.680 --> 02:26:08.000 On an average Sunday we have four hundred some thousand in our 02:26:08.000 --> 02:26:10.160 pews across this country. 02:26:10.160 --> 02:26:14.480 For those who aren't very fond of math, that's about fourteen one 02:26:14.640 --> 02:26:20.080 hundredth of one percent of the US population. 02:26:20.080 --> 02:26:22.400 That's a rounding error. 02:26:22.400 --> 02:26:29.760 And instead of attempting to get our confirmed young adults to stay 02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:35.440 Lutheran instead of getting women to have children, instead of pursuing a 02:26:35.440 --> 02:26:40.880 so called career outside the home and therefore solving our demographic issues, 02:26:40.880 --> 02:26:44.880 instead of addressing the desperation of young men who look at a 02:26:44.880 --> 02:26:48.640 culture that hates them and hear the exact same thing being repeated 02:26:48.640 --> 02:26:49.200 from St. 02:26:49.200 --> 02:26:52.880 Louis, and who can't find wives because they're being told to go 02:26:52.880 --> 02:26:57.200 become deaconesses instead of being wives and mothers, which is actually what 02:26:57.200 --> 02:27:01.040 Scripture commands them to do, instead of doing any of a hundred 02:27:01.040 --> 02:27:06.160 other things that would actually help the church at home Harrison is 02:27:06.160 --> 02:27:11.600 sending false doctrine off with pless to Africa and 02:27:12.560 --> 02:27:17.600 otherwise focusing everywhere but on his own people. 02:27:17.520 --> 02:27:20.800 and we described some of the reason for that earlier in this 02:27:20.800 --> 02:27:26.640 episode. But it comes down to the fact that Harrison has taken 02:27:26.640 --> 02:27:28.800 up the mantle of Antichrist. 02:27:28.800 --> 02:27:34.640 He stands against Christ, against his church, and is actively seeking to 02:27:34.640 --> 02:27:41.280 subvert and destroy what little remains of the Lutheran Church in the 02:27:41.280 --> 02:27:42.640 United States. 02:27:42.640 --> 02:27:46.080 And now, of course, attempting to subvert the Lutheran Church even in 02:27:46.080 --> 02:27:50.080 Africa. So whatever faithfulness there may be in Africa, and go back 02:27:50.080 --> 02:27:53.360 and listen to our series on race if you want to see 02:27:53.360 --> 02:27:58.800 how that will go, whatever is currently there, this sort of false 02:27:58.800 --> 02:28:01.680 doctrine is being spread there as well, so that's not going to 02:28:01.680 --> 02:28:07.520 survive. These men are false teachers here, they are false teachers there, 02:28:07.520 --> 02:28:10.960 they are poison wherever they go. 02:28:10.960 --> 02:28:15.680 And to comment specifically on this line, our global Lutheran friends. 02:28:15.680 --> 02:28:20.000 I don't deny that we have Lutherans, good Lutherans even, in many 02:28:20.000 --> 02:28:21.840 places around the world, and I am grateful for that. 02:28:21.840 --> 02:28:23.520 I wish we had more of them. 02:28:23.520 --> 02:28:26.560 I wish we had more nations that had as many Lutherans as 02:28:26.560 --> 02:28:28.960 Madagascar. I wish Madagascar had more. 02:28:28.960 --> 02:28:30.880 I wish they had better teachers, I wish they could get a 02:28:30.880 --> 02:28:33.120 hold of their syncretism problem. 02:28:33.440 --> 02:28:37.280 But it is good that we have these Lutherans elsewhere. 02:28:37.280 --> 02:28:39.920 But that is not our primary calling. 02:28:39.920 --> 02:28:43.360 Our primary calling is to our brother and to our neighbor. 02:28:43.360 --> 02:28:46.800 The Lutherans in Madagascar are not my neighbor. 02:28:46.800 --> 02:28:48.560 The Lutherans in Madagascar are not 02:28:49.440 --> 02:28:51.600 my brothers. 02:28:51.600 --> 02:28:56.800 My calling is to my brothers by blood, to my neighbors who 02:28:56.800 --> 02:28:57.920 are here. 02:28:57.920 --> 02:29:00.160 That is what it means to be a Christian, that is what 02:29:00.160 --> 02:29:04.160 a Christian is supposed to do To do, and I don't see 02:29:04.160 --> 02:29:10.880 a single faithful Christian body in the West focusing on those things, 02:29:10.880 --> 02:29:15.200 focusing on the things that Christians are supposed to do. 02:29:15.200 --> 02:29:18.560 And I don't want to take that position because I am not 02:29:18.560 --> 02:29:21.280 anti-clerical by nature. 02:29:21.280 --> 02:29:25.360 But at this point, what I am not in theory, I have 02:29:25.360 --> 02:29:28.800 to be in practice, because I've seen what the clergy are doing 02:29:28.800 --> 02:29:30.640 to the church. 02:29:30.640 --> 02:29:33.040 And we have vanishingly few faithful men. 02:29:33.040 --> 02:29:35.520 We do have faithful men, I know many of them, I talk 02:29:35.520 --> 02:29:38.720 to many of them frequently, and I am glad that we have 02:29:38.720 --> 02:29:40.880 them, and I hope that we will have more of them in 02:29:40.880 --> 02:29:41.840 the future. 02:29:41.840 --> 02:29:46.400 Of course, with the way Harrison and others are attempting to subvert 02:29:46.400 --> 02:29:49.200 the seminaries, that is going to be quite the challenge. 02:29:49.200 --> 02:29:51.120 But there are models for that. 02:29:51.120 --> 02:29:55.600 Maybe we'll do a an episode of on that in the future. 02:29:55.600 --> 02:30:00.800 But if you happen to find a faithful pastor, do everything you 02:30:00.800 --> 02:30:02.320 can to support that man. 02:30:02.320 --> 02:30:04.880 He is worth his weight in gold because there are so few 02:30:04.880 --> 02:30:06.400 of them these days. 02:30:06.400 --> 02:30:09.520 If you find a pastor who's weak on some issues, but by 02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:13.360 and large faithful, help him to work through those issues. 02:30:13.360 --> 02:30:15.840 If he is willing to learn, he is again worth his weight 02:30:15.840 --> 02:30:18.480 in gold because there are so few men today who are willing 02:30:18.480 --> 02:30:21.440 to learn, willing to hear that they may have been wrong to 02:30:21.440 --> 02:30:24.880 correct their errors. 02:30:24.880 --> 02:30:29.440 But again it is worth mentioning Christ will preserve his church. 02:30:29.440 --> 02:30:33.120 We are promised that in Scripture, God does not lie. 02:30:33.120 --> 02:30:34.480 God cannot lie. 02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:39.040 And so it is true that the church will persevere through this, 02:30:39.040 --> 02:30:42.960 even if there are undoubtedly some hard times ahead. 02:30:42.960 --> 02:30:46.640 There are good men, there are good Christians left in this country, 02:30:46.640 --> 02:30:50.320 there are good congregations led by faithful pastors. 02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:57.600 And so I'd like to end with another stanza of the poem 02:30:57.600 --> 02:31:00.560 I read earlier, because it ties into this exact point, and some 02:31:00.560 --> 02:31:03.440 who know the poem well may have wondered why I didn't read 02:31:03.440 --> 02:31:06.800 this one earlier, well this is why I wanted to end with 02:31:06.800 --> 02:31:11.920 it. The men of my own stock, bitter bad they may be, 02:31:11.920 --> 02:31:15.120 but at least they hear the things I hear, and see the 02:31:15.120 --> 02:31:19.040 things I see, and whatever I think of them and their likes, 02:31:19.040 --> 02:31:22.160 they think of the likes of me.