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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I am Corey J.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Mahler. And I'm still Wo.</v>

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On

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<v Speaker 3>today's Stone Choir, we're going to be discussing tithing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We thought that this would be an interesting mild continuation of the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>last couple episodes where we dealt with jealousy and zealousness, which involved</v>

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<v Speaker 3>possession. And then last week's episode which dealt with inheritance of passing</v>

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<v Speaker 3>on things which are owned by one generation to the next, which</v>

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<v Speaker 3>includes obviously both material things and spiritual things and others.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This week as we talk about tithing, we're gonna be talking about</v>

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<v Speaker 3>one of the obligations in the Christian life to give as you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>live. An inheritance is something that is passed forward to a future</v>

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<v Speaker 3>generation, or in the case of a dowry, momentarily.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>something like tithing is more or less an ongoing process.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we're today we're going to talk about what is in scripture</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the Old Testament, the New Testament, and then what should it</v>

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<v Speaker 3>look like today, especially as we're dealing with the church in its</v>

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<v Speaker 3>current state.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So before we get into the episode proper, just a bit of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>very brief housekeeping.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you go back to listen to episode sixty-three on repentance, we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>introduced that we are going to be shipping some challenge coins very</v>

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<v Speaker 3>soon. Corey just got the physical samples of them.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They look awesome.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh in the show notes we will have the actual pictures of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>pictures of both sides of the coin and we will be linking</v>

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<v Speaker 3>again where you can find the shop link in the show notes.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I will also be posting those on social media.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We already linked the images on Telegram a couple days ago for</v>

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<v Speaker 3>folks who are participating in that daily discussion.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Through next Monday morning, so next Sunday night, we will still have</v>

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<v Speaker 3>free shipping.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And after that shipping is only two bucks, so it's not a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>big deal.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The regular price for the challenge coins is now forty-two dollars and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>once Corey gets the shipment in, he'll have to process them all.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I I wish I could share in that burden, but it's kind</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of a one-man job and it's going to him, so that's just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>count some of these things go.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably gonna be a month or so before those start going</v>

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<v Speaker 3>out. We'll let you know obviously when that happens.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you haven't ordered yet, they're gonna be a ton of them.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you're listening to us a year from now, you should probably</v>

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<v Speaker 3>still be able to get your hands on one.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Shipping won't be free anymore.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry. But if you're a listener regularly, you want to get free</v>

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<v Speaker 3>shipping, you didn't order one yet, you can use a coupon code</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that will be in the show notes and it's ship for free</v>

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<v Speaker 3>with a numeral.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The challenge coin, as I mentioned, in episode sixty-three we describe what</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it is.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We have now the pictures of it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Basically it's a token of of our appreciation and thanks for you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>for helping to support the show.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Corey and I, you know, take a lot of time to do</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this and it's completely free.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Like we said in one of the very first episodes about Paywall</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and God, this is a podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Podcasts are free inherently.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a completely unmonetizable podcast because no one's ever gonna</v>

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<v Speaker 3>advertise with crazy men like us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So it really makes a big difference to folks who have been</v>

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<v Speaker 3>supporting us for the last year or so.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh everyone who's donated anything.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone who's shared the show has has also helped.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But if you would specifically like to contribute to what we're doing</v>

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<v Speaker 3>here, we really appreciate it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The challenge coin is a way for you to do that and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>for you to get a really cool token back.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Neat thing about challenge coins is they're totally worthless.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It has no monetary value.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't do anything.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's just really nice to hold and to touch, have in your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>pocket, have on a desk.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It can potentially be a great conversation starter if you think there's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who might potentially be an interesting person to listen and to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>introduce to Stone choir, that might be a way you could bring</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it up casually.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I think down the road it's also probably be a little</v>

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<v Speaker 3>bit of an ectus for quite a few of us where you're</v>

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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily going to say anything, but if someone happens to see</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it, you know, think it's cool and or you know, it it's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>an identify friend or foe sort of thing because there are certainly</v>

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<v Speaker 3>folks who want to find out who's listening and not for good</v>

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<v Speaker 3>reasons. But so it goes.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's the world that we're in today and we're happy warriors.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We should all be happy warriors.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We belong to God and He'll take care of us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so we're very appreciative to everyone who is willing to chip</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in and help us out.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And we're looking forward to you being able to share the excitement</v>

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<v Speaker 3>with other folks that you meet that you were also listeners.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That a ton of people recently saying that folks they've run into</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in real life also listen to the show, which is wildly improbable</v>

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<v Speaker 3>because it's still really small.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We have a We have a small audience by most standards now.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the fact that random people are running into each other in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the real world who also listen without having told each other is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>amazing. It's really mind-blowing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So if you both have challenge coins, you'll be excited and you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>can compare who has the lower number and you know the other</v>

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<v Speaker 3>guy's gotta buy you a beer or coffee or whatever.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>On the subject of tithing today, as I mentioned, it's a Christian</v>

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<v Speaker 3>obligation, but we're going to talk about how the obligation has changed</v>

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<v Speaker 3>over time.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So there are kind of three elements to the premise of tithing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The first is the Levitical Law during the Old Testament, during the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish period of the Old Testament, when there is a specific requirement</v>

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<v Speaker 3>for that specific people to give a specific amount to a specific</v>

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<v Speaker 3>place. And so that was effectively the tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It was stipulated by God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But additionally, when you look throughout the Old Testament, it wasn't simply</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that you have to give 10% and you know then you're done.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There were other elements where it was reiterated, including in Proverbs three,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>where God says, Honor the Lord with your wealth, and with the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>first fruits of all your produce, that your barns may be filled</v>

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<v Speaker 3>with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Not grape juice wine.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Baptists.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of those many promises that God can give where</v>

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<v Speaker 3>there's a command and a promise tied together, just as in the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>fourth commandment, where God says, Honor thy father and mother, that it</v>

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<v Speaker 3>may be well with thee, and that thou mayest live long on</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the earth, as a command to do something, and a promise that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>God will bless those who do it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And we've said before, unfortunately, Protestants are so allergic to works righteousness</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that when God says, Obey me and it will go well, we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>just plug our ears, like, nah, nah, nah, that that sounds like</v>

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<v Speaker 3>works righteousness, that's salvation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not salvation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's like if I tell you don't eat something that's gonna hurt</v>

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<v Speaker 3>your stomach, and then you eat it and it hurts your stomach,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is that wrath from God?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>At some point, it's like just don't do the thing that's bad</v>

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<v Speaker 3>for you.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So there are lots of things that are baked into creation, like</v>

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<v Speaker 3>honoring your father and mother, that are inherently blessed.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you have a good family relationship intergenerationally, that's a blessing to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>everyone. It's a blessing to you, to your family, to your community,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and God blesses it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's an active thing where God is active in creation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's also the case with tithing, with giving back to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And as we'll go through in a number of these verses today,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the underlying premise is something we've also talked about many times, which</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is that everything is from God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like God needs our money or our anything.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because where did the stuff that we have come from?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>God gave it to us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever you have is already from God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So if He gives you something and then say you should do</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and he tells us you should do this with it, we just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>do it because he gave it to you and he's the creator.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>He's God Almighty.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that he needs your money or whatever.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's that he says, here you go, do this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That should be a very simple thing for any believer to follow</v>

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<v Speaker 3>through on.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it's not simply money.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I've said before if the air in your lungs, the fact that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>there's oxygen that's keeping you alive is a blessing from God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then you work up from there.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Every night that you go to bed and you have a bed</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and your stomach is full, you're not hungry and you're not cold,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that's a blessing from God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>All these things are blessings from God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And when He withdraws those blessings by degrees, you know, eventually each</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of us will take our last breath.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're still blessed with the promises of what is to come for</v>

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<v Speaker 3>those who are believing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So God is always pouring out his blessings.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then when he tells us something specific, we're not saving ourselves.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're not earning our salvation by obeying him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're just like, okay, these are the rules, these are the table</v>

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<v Speaker 3>stakes for me being alive and being a believer.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And one of them is the notion of the tithe, not the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>mechanical specific rules of the old testament, but the notion that God</v>

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<v Speaker 3>has given we will give some back to him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first fruits of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>all you produce.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's the premise that runs throughout all the passages that we have</v>

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<v Speaker 3>today. The third thing that I want to mention is that this</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is also a matter of wisdom</v>

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<v Speaker 3>because when we're looking at the current state of the church today,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking at our congregations, our denominations, maybe our pastors, or the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>absence of a pastor, whatever situation you have in your local Christian</v>

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<v Speaker 3>context, the tithe no longer has a specific rote set of rules.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna buried the lead, at the very end of this,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we're not gonna have a checklist of here's exactly how much you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>give and here's to whom you give it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're not going to say here are five places where you must</v>

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<v Speaker 3>give money.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There's none of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This is all matters of wisdom.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I wanna specifically highlight that up front because</v>

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<v Speaker 3>when you're looking at the premise of tithing, of giving back to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>God those things which He has given to us for the benefit</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of the church and for the benefit of all, It's important to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>understand that we have our own personal context, we have our family</v>

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<v Speaker 3>contacts, and we have our church context, and those change over time.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So one of the reasons that it's crucial for us not to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>get hung up on, I need a Bible verse that says that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I give this much to this place.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you have that mindset, you're just gonna get locked into something</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that it may not work next year, may not work in five</v>

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<v Speaker 3>years. The thing that's right to do today may be the wrong</v>

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<v Speaker 3>thing to do in a couple of years.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not that God changed, it's that the circumstances changed.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in the specific example we have in mind, obviously is if</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you're giving to a church or a church body that you believe</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is faithful and then they become unfaithful, do you continue giving them</v>

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<v Speaker 3>God's things when initially you're giving them for good purposes and then</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they're using them for evil purposes?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Even if it's ninety eight percent good and two percent completely wicked.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What do you do with that?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Think of the context of you as a parent giving a child</v>

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<v Speaker 3>an allowance.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you find out one day that your kid is spending their</v>

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<v Speaker 3>allowance money from you on drugs, would you reduce their allowance money</v>

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<v Speaker 3>by whatever portion they were spending on drugs, or would you cut</v>

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<v Speaker 3>them off entirely and deal with that situation and make sure that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they don't get any surplus like that that could be abused to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>their detriment until you solve the spiritual problem.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same thing in our churches.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So when we're doing something, you know, I would have very different</v>

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<v Speaker 3>comments two years ago than I have today because circumstances have changed</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in a number of our churches and our knowledge of them has</v>

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<v Speaker 3>changed. So as a matter of wisdom, not only is there not</v>

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<v Speaker 3>a specific formula in a specific checklist, but it's necessary for us</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to think about this stuff and to keep thinking about it over</v>

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<v Speaker 3>time. To just take stock periodically as a Christian who's trying to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>be a faithful steward of God's gifts and make sure that the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>thing that was the right thing to do five years ago or</v>

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<v Speaker 3>last year or last week is it still the right thing to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>do today?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Is it the right thing to do five years from now?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>In some cases, unfortunately, because of the sinful state of the world,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>those answers may change.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>No, if everything were working perfectly, they wouldn't change.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that this is a normal part of the Christian life.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a part of the Christian life when everything's working well.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's a part of the Christian life because we live in a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>fallen world where things in particular today are going off the rails</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in some ways that we haven't seen in a long time.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we're not going to give any pad answers.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't even an episode with homework.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This is an episode with the burden of you're going to have</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to think about this later.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What am I going to do in my life?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then you're going to have to remember in a few years</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to think about it again.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Is what I'm doing with my tithe still the right thing to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>do with it?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, maybe you set a schedule, maybe you set a calendar</v>

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<v Speaker 3>reminder and just take stock once a year, whatever.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's again, there's no rule for it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's just you, as a steward of God's gifts to you, have</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure they're being spent wisely, both on your end and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>on the end of the recipients.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So that's going to be the framework for what we discussed today.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Please keep all that in mind because at different times there are</v>

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<v Speaker 3>different right approaches, and there's no one can approach for everyone.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But the overarching principle that everything that we have is from God</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and that we And that we are to be faithful stewards of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it guides everything that we're going to talk about here today.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>As is so often the case, one of the first things we</v>

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<v Speaker 2>need to go over and properly understand for this topic is just</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the meaning of the word itself.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That has been the case in many past episodes, including some of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the recent ones, where we've had to carefully define terms and so</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in order that we understand precisely what is meant.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In this case it's actually very straightforward, it's just something that most</v>

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<v Speaker 2>people overlook.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The word tithe means tenth.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is simply</v>

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<v Speaker 2>an old English word that morphed into a middle English word and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>then we retained it, but over time we've sort of lost an</v>

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of what it means.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And again, it's very simple.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It means tenth.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is both the ordinal form of ten in Middle English actually,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>because old English it's tiotha and then it became tithe, you can</v>

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<v Speaker 2>spell it with a Y or an I in Middle English.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In modern English we use tenth.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same word.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And of course this comes from the scriptural understanding of what it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>means to tithe, which was the giving of a tenth.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now as Wo said in his introduction, it isn't necessarily the case</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that we give a tenth of everything we receive today.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>However, that is the general recommendation in Scripture, so perhaps that should</v>

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<v Speaker 2>be if not aspirational at least, a guideline for what we do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There will be those who give less because perhaps they cannot give</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that much, and there will be those who have been blessed significantly,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who give far more than ten percent?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If God has blessed you with, you know, hundreds of millions of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>dollars, you're making some obscene amount of money every year, you should</v>

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<v Speaker 2>probably be giving more than ten percent.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God has given you that wealth in order to benefit others.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He has not given it to you just so that you can</v>

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<v Speaker 2>amass it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are not some sort of Tolkieness dragon.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what you do with wealth.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is a gift from God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is one of those talents in the parable that you are</v>

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to use.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are supposed to be productive with it, not simply hoard it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But to turn to scripture, we actually do not have recorded in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>scripture</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the first instance of a tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason that I feel confident saying that is that we</v>

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<v Speaker 2>see the first instance in Genesis 4, the first recorded instance, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that of course is Cain and Abel, so I'll go ahead and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>read that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In the course of time, Cain brought to the Lord an offering</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>first born of his flock, and of their fat portions.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And the Lord had regard for Abel in his offering, but for</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Cain and his offering he had no regard.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Cain was very angry and his face fell.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The Lord said to Cain, Why are you angry, and why has</v>

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<v Speaker 2>your face fallen?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If you do well, will you not be accepted?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over</v>

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<v Speaker 2>it. So this is the first recorded instance of tithing, of an</v>

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<v Speaker 2>offering to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's being done here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>However, they were taught this by Adam and Eve, and so undoubtedly</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we have some sort of tithing happening with Adam and Eve that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is simply not recorded.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But let's look at what is happening specifically here in this passage</v>

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<v Speaker 2>with Cain and Abel.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Why is Abel accepted?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Why is his offering accepted, and Cain's is not?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The passage itself, the wording in the passage, actually gives us some</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the necessary information, hints at it very strongly, with the word</v>

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<v Speaker 2>choice. Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>their fat portions.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Abel gave the first and best to the Lord.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Tithing above and beyond just being ten percent is the first ten</v>

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<v Speaker 2>percent. It is that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>portion of what God has given you that you give back to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God, and you give that to God off the top.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's not after all these other things are done, then whatever is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>left over, I'll give God some little portion of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are those who do that, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>really what they're doing is missing out on God's blessings.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't prosperity gospel, it isn't you know, you sow a seed</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll get something great.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But Scripture does very clearly speak of blessings from God for the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>cheerful giver.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, that's part of this, and it's part of what</v>

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<v Speaker 2>plays into this passage with Cain and Abel, you have to look</v>

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<v Speaker 2>at this in light of the disposition of the heart of Cain</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and Abel.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Abel is the joyful giver.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Abel has faith.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He is a Christian.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Cain is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not a joyful giver.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Cain is not giving of the firstborn or the fat portions, which</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you can do with fruit of the ground as well, which just</v>

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<v Speaker 2>means produce.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that God has regard only for animals and not for</v>

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<v Speaker 2>produce. So if you are an apple farmer, that doesn't mean that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go out and get sheep or else God's not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>happy with you.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The issue is giving that first portion.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Giving what is best to God, because that is giving thanks for</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the whole.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Fundamentally, that is what tithing is.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are giving a portion back to God to give thanks for</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the whole of what He has given you.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because you aren't called to give everything you have to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Unless of course God gives you that specific command, there is the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>rich young man in Scripture, if God tells you specifically sell everything</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and follow me, then you do that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But Jesus is not currently walking around telling us to do that,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>so we give a portion in order to give thanks for the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>whole. Because all of the things that we have, whether it is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>resources or goods, or money, whatever it happens to be, all of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>those things are from God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They are all blessings from Him, and we return that thanks to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God via tithing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll look more into the passages that deal with what God</v>

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<v Speaker 2>says about tithing and why we are to tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But another passage in Genesis that I would like to cover is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>from Genesis 14.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is another one of the explicit instances of tithing, perhaps one</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the most explicit in scripture.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>After his return from the defeat of Kedalamer and the kings who</v>

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<v Speaker 2>were with him, the king of Sodom went out to meet him</v>

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<v Speaker 2>at the valley of Shave, that is the king's valley, and Melchizedek,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>King of Salem, brought out bread and wine.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He was priest of God most high, and he blessed him and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>said, Blessed be Abram by God Most High, possessor of heaven and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>earth, and blessed be God most high, who has delivered your enemies</v>

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<v Speaker 2>into your hand.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's Abram tithing to Melchizedek.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He is giving it to the church as it were in this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>case, and we'll go over that in more detail later in the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>episode as well.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But Abram just received a great deal of goods.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now he doesn't keep all the goods incidentally, but that's a matter</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for another time if we're doing an episode perhaps on Genesis, or</v>

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<v Speaker 2>if I pick up that study again.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The important focus for the sake of this episode is the simple</v>

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<v Speaker 2>fact that Abram gives a tenth of everything.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He tithes</v>

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<v Speaker 2>all of the goods that he has been given, and he has</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a great deal of them at this point.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He has been blessed by God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He has gold and silver and slaves and flocks.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He is a wealthy man.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He gives a tenth of that to God, because he is giving</v>

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to God for what God has given him, and he is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a cheerful giver.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He is not giving this because he is compelled, he is not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>giving it because there's compulsion here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He's giving it because he recognizes this is one his duty and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>two his privilege because he is giving back to God joyfully in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>response to all the things that God has given him.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is similar to how we love God and we react to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God. What does Scripture say?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We love God because He first loved us.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is similar in that God is given all these things to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>us first, and then we give them back to God in thanks</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for what He has done.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fundamentally important part of the mindset for this, because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>if we</v>

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<v Speaker 2>have this thought that all of these things are ours by right,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and we hold them and it's mine, no one else has a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>claim on it, it is mine alone.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You have to balance the proper jealousy of which we spoke in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the previous episode in titled Jealousy, and what it means to be</v>

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<v Speaker 2>one could say greedy or self-centered, is having the wrong disposition</v>

00:23:07.520 --> 00:23:10.000
<v Speaker 2>with regard to those things.</v>

00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:15.440
<v Speaker 2>You are jealous and the sole owner of certain things, but other</v>

00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:20.640
<v Speaker 2>parts of your wealth, other parts of your blessings are yours as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a steward.</v>

00:23:21.840 --> 00:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>They are yours to use toward good ends.</v>

00:23:24.800 --> 00:23:27.040
<v Speaker 2>And so your wife is yours alone.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Period. End of discussion.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are jealous of her, and that is right.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Your wealth you are jealous of it in so far as it</v>

00:23:37.600 --> 00:23:40.800
<v Speaker 2>is yours because God has given it to you as a blessing,</v>

00:23:40.800 --> 00:23:44.800
<v Speaker 2>but you are to turn around and use that wealth for the</v>

00:23:44.800 --> 00:23:47.760
<v Speaker 2>good of the church, for the good of your neighbor, for the</v>

00:23:47.760 --> 00:23:51.040
<v Speaker 2>good of others, not just to hoard it again that you are</v>

00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:53.680
<v Speaker 2>not a dragon, that's not what you're supposed to do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so tithing is part of how you do that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's part because if you have been blessed above and beyond, then</v>

00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you do more than tithing.</v>

00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Everyone always thinks of tithing as being money.</v>

00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:09.040
<v Speaker 2>It's not just money.</v>

00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:11.440
<v Speaker 2>You can tithe in other ways, and we used to understand this</v>

00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>as a culture because men used to tithe in other ways.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If you were a pastor of a rural parish, you didn't get</v>

00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:26.080
<v Speaker 2>your entire salary in money, in cash, in coins, you received part</v>

00:24:26.080 --> 00:24:30.720
<v Speaker 2>of your salary in goods, because many of your congregants would have</v>

00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>been farmers, and so they would have literally given you out of</v>

00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the flock, out of the harvest, you would have received a bushel</v>

00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of apples, or a goat, or something like that, because that was</v>

00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>how those farmers could tithe.</v>

00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:47.280
<v Speaker 2>They didn't have money, they didn't have cash.</v>

00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:50.160
<v Speaker 2>So they tithed out of what God had given them.</v>

00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>And the same is true today.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now for some, perhaps quite a few of those listening, you probably</v>

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<v Speaker 2>don't have livestock.</v>

00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:03.360
<v Speaker 2>You probably don't have crops.</v>

00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:05.200
<v Speaker 2>But you do have skills.</v>

00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.600
<v Speaker 2>You do have things that God has given you.</v>

00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:10.320
<v Speaker 2>And you can tithe of your time.</v>

00:25:10.320 --> 00:25:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Because you can give your time back to the church, to your</v>

00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:18.160
<v Speaker 2>neighbor, to those who are in need, and Scripture frequently speaks not</v>

00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.440
<v Speaker 2>just of the church as the recipient of the tithe, but also</v>

00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the neighbor who is in need, the widow, the fatherless, those who</v>

00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>actually are in Are again in need.</v>

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 2>That is part of what the purpose of the tithe is, to</v>

00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 2>fulfill that need, to do good for the kingdom of God.</v>

00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.960
<v Speaker 2>And so you can give of the things that God has given</v>

00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you. They don't have to be actual physical money.</v>

00:25:43.280 --> 00:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>It's not just a matter of writing a check.</v>

00:25:45.280 --> 00:25:49.200
<v Speaker 2>There are many ways in which you can give this tithe back</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And notably, giving the tithe back to God is similar to good</v>

00:25:55.280 --> 00:26:00.400
<v Speaker 2>works, because good works, God doesn't need them.</v>

00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.840
<v Speaker 2>God has no use for you building a shed.</v>

00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:05.280
<v Speaker 2>God doesn't need a shed.</v>

00:26:05.280 --> 00:26:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Your neighbor may need one.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Good works are rendered to your neighbor, and in so doing you</v>

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 2>are praising God, that is worship of God.</v>

00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.040
<v Speaker 2>The same thing is true of your tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>One, you can't actually give money to God.</v>

00:26:21.040 --> 00:26:22.800
<v Speaker 2>There's no way to do that.</v>

00:26:22.800 --> 00:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Two God doesn't need it.</v>

00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>God has no use for gold or silver.</v>

00:26:27.040 --> 00:26:28.320
<v Speaker 2>He created all of it.</v>

00:26:28.320 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>If he wanted some of it, he would make more.</v>

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.440
<v Speaker 2>So you don't give the money to God because there's no way</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, and second, because he doesn't need it.</v>

00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>The tithe, the things that you are giving back, go to your</v>

00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>neighbor. And the way that we used to do this, of course,</v>

00:26:47.760 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>was by and large through the church.</v>

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Now, as Woe mentioned, if you happen to have the great blessing</v>

00:26:54.560 --> 00:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>of having a faithful local congregation, first and foremost, you should be</v>

00:26:58.560 --> 00:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>tithing to that local congregation, because then the local congregation can organize</v>

00:27:04.560 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the aid to members of the congregation who need it, to your</v>

00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:12.880
<v Speaker 2>neighbors, to your community, all of this largely local the way things</v>

00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>are supposed to be run.</v>

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean that they can't give money to a larger group,</v>

00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 2>because perhaps your church has an overarching authority of some kind.</v>

00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>If you happen to have a church body where the regional body</v>

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:32.560
<v Speaker 2>is faithful, there's nothing wrong with transmitting some of that funding to</v>

00:27:32.560 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 2>the regional body to then distribute as it is needed.</v>

00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:42.560
<v Speaker 2>This is how things ran in Christendom for centuries, with some more</v>

00:27:42.560 --> 00:27:46.880
<v Speaker 2>central organization because you had godly princes who would actually allocate money</v>

00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.840
<v Speaker 2>to the churches so the churches could then turn around and do</v>

00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:51.360
<v Speaker 2>good works in the community.</v>

00:27:51.360 --> 00:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>That was essentially how their version of welfare ran for centuries.</v>

00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Today we don't always have faithful larger church bodies, and so it</v>

00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 2>may be that you need to give your tithe, those resources, the</v>

00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>money, whatever it is you're returning to God, you may need to</v>

00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>give that to the local congregation with strings attached.</v>

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.080
<v Speaker 2>You may need to say, I am giving this, and it is</v>

00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>earmarked for X.</v>

00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.640
<v Speaker 2>It is not to be used for Y.</v>

00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 2>It is unfortunate that we find ourselves in that situation, but that</v>

00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>is the reality on the ground.</v>

00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And if you cannot trust your local congregation, then you can go</v>

00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:41.040
<v Speaker 2>ahead and use those funds directly to benefit your neighbor, the needy,</v>

00:28:41.040 --> 00:28:45.360
<v Speaker 2>some other ministry, and that is also a point that we need</v>

00:28:45.360 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to make.</v>

00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 2>You can tithe to other Christian ministries, not just your local congregation,</v>

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 2>because your tithe does not have to go to just any A</v>

00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>church. Your tithe goes to the church.</v>

00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.120
<v Speaker 2>And the distinction between those two that I wish to make is</v>

00:29:03.120 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>that a church is the local congregation.</v>

00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>The church is all believers.</v>

00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.120
<v Speaker 2>And so if you are helping your neighbor, and I want to</v>

00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.160
<v Speaker 2>expand this even a little bit, because if you are helping your</v>

00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>neighbor, if he's a Christian, you're tithing to the church by helping</v>

00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that neighbor.</v>

00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you buy him something he needs or you donate some of</v>

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>your time.</v>

00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>You help in some way that you are able.</v>

00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>That is, of course, a good work, and that's part of what</v>

00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>it means to be a Christian.</v>

00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>But the church, in this case, I want to expand the church</v>

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>beyond just those who are currently Christians.</v>

00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, your neighbor, your actual physical neighbor, your fellow congregants, those who</v>

00:29:51.360 --> 00:29:54.640
<v Speaker 2>are closest to you, and of course your family first and foremost,</v>

00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>are your primary concern for these things.</v>

00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>However, those who could become part of the church, so your neighbor</v>

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>who is not yet a Christian, you can do good to him.</v>

00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>You can use some of that money, some of those resources that</v>

00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you would be giving to a local congregation if the local congregation</v>

00:30:13.840 --> 00:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>is a little wobbly on some things, you can use that to</v>

00:30:17.760 --> 00:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>help that man.</v>

00:30:19.040 --> 00:30:22.800
<v Speaker 2>It may be that those good works rendered to that man will</v>

00:30:22.800 --> 00:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>be part of how God, part of how the Holy Spirit works</v>

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.280
<v Speaker 2>in him, to bring him into the church.</v>

00:30:29.280 --> 00:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>You are not required to give the 10% or whatever percentage it</v>

00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>happens to be in your case to the local congregation alone.</v>

00:30:39.040 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 2>You can use that in service of the church capital C, not</v>

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>just the local congregation.</v>

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Which given the reality on the ground, the things that we face</v>

00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>today, is very good news.</v>

00:30:52.800 --> 00:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Now it does mean that you may need to do a little</v>

00:30:55.120 --> 00:30:58.720
<v Speaker 2>more work, because it is certainly much easier to write a check</v>

00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>and be done than it is to actually find those who are</v>

00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>in need, to help those who are in need, to do these</v>

00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.520
<v Speaker 2>things that actually require a little more effort on your part.</v>

00:31:09.520 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And perhaps that's good.</v>

00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Because writing the check can be a little too easy.</v>

00:31:14.800 --> 00:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Writing the check seems to be almost performative in some cases.</v>

00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I won't say it's a bad thing, I'm not going that far.</v>

00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Because certainly tithing again is part of your Christian duty.</v>

00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>But if all we do is write that check and then say,</v>

00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm done, rub my hands together, but I'm right next</v>

00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.520
<v Speaker 2>to the mic, so it'd be too loud.</v>

00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>If we say that we're done, we've done our Christian duty, that's</v>

00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>good enough.</v>

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 2>It really disconnects us from our community, from our neighbor.</v>

00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Whereas if you actually go over and get your hands dirty helping</v>

00:31:47.360 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor, that's forming a connection that is different from saying, Well,</v>

00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I tithe to my congregation and they'll go and help the needy.</v>

00:31:56.320 --> 00:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm done, I've done my part.</v>

00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:05.760
<v Speaker 2>We need to be more involved as Christians, not just with our</v>

00:32:05.760 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>congregations, but also with our neighbors, those around us.</v>

00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>How many of us even know the names of all of our</v>

00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>neighbors? That's rare these days.</v>

00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Go over and introduce yourself.</v>

00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Bring them a cake or something.</v>

00:32:21.360 --> 00:32:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Part of what it means to be a Christian is building up</v>

00:32:24.560 --> 00:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>this community and living in connection with others.</v>

00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And part of how we do that is this tithe, because the</v>

00:32:33.360 --> 00:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>tithe is a portion that is set apart explicitly</v>

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>for good works that aid the church, capital C.</v>

00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 2>And that is fundamentally one of the ways that we grow the</v>

00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>church, that we bring others into the church, because we are showing</v>

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>them what it means to live as a Christian, not just to</v>

00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>claim to be a Christian, but to actually live as a Christian.</v>

00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Which by and large, giving that sort of testimony is going to</v>

00:33:03.760 --> 00:33:08.800
<v Speaker 2>be more compelling than simply standing up and saying I am a</v>

00:33:08.800 --> 00:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Christian. This is one of those things that sometimes makes certain Protestants</v>

00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable because it sounds like works righteousness, but as Woe mentioned, this</v>

00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>is not a matter of salvation.</v>

00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>This is not a matter of justification.</v>

00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.520
<v Speaker 2>We're not saying you are justified by your works.</v>

00:33:27.520 --> 00:33:32.320
<v Speaker 2>We're saying that as a Christian, these things should flow from that</v>

00:33:32.320 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>living faith.</v>

00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.600
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that flows from that living faith is</v>

00:33:37.600 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>being a cheerful giver, is giving back that portion of what God</v>

00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>has given to you.</v>

00:33:44.080 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Part of being a faithful Christian, part of having a living faith</v>

00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>from which certain things flow is tithing.</v>

00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:00.080
<v Speaker 3>One of the dangers of the mentality of just writing a check</v>

00:34:00.080 --> 00:34:04.640
<v Speaker 3>is that it's very easy for that to become effectively outsourcing your</v>

00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:05.600
<v Speaker 3>good works.</v>

00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Where you have worked hard, you've earned, and you're giving freely and</v>

00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 3>generously. But as Corey was saying, if your participation is limited to</v>

00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.760
<v Speaker 3>signing a check or you know, some sort of credit card transaction</v>

00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:20.720
<v Speaker 3>or whatever.</v>

00:34:20.720 --> 00:34:21.520
<v Speaker 3>That's a blessing.</v>

00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a wonderful thing.</v>

00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 3>But it's also sterile.</v>

00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:26.640
<v Speaker 3>It's inherently a sterile thing.</v>

00:34:26.640 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 3>As he said, if you're not getting your hands dirty ever, you're</v>

00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.640
<v Speaker 3>missing out on the blessings that come from</v>

00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 3>doing something hard.</v>

00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 3>And although it's hard to earn, it's differently hard to work with</v>

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.680
<v Speaker 3>others, to work with neighbor, to give time and do the things</v>

00:34:43.680 --> 00:34:46.800
<v Speaker 3>that maybe in some ways for you are harder than just writing</v>

00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.520
<v Speaker 3>a check.</v>

00:34:47.520 --> 00:34:51.040
<v Speaker 3>And just to reiterate, when we're talking about ten percent tithe, it</v>

00:34:51.040 --> 00:34:52.480
<v Speaker 3>is not a rule.</v>

00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.560
<v Speaker 3>This is something that's clear in Deuteronomy sixteen.</v>

00:34:56.560 --> 00:35:00.160
<v Speaker 3>God says three times a year all your males shall appear before</v>

00:35:00.160 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 3>the Lord your God at the place that He will choose, at</v>

00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.640
<v Speaker 3>the feast of the unleavened bread, at the feast of weeks, and</v>

00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:08.160
<v Speaker 3>at the feast of booths.</v>

00:35:08.160 --> 00:35:11.600
<v Speaker 3>They shall not appear before the Lord empty handed, every man Every</v>

00:35:11.600 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 3>man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of</v>

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 3>the Lord your God that he has given you.</v>

00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Speaker 3>So again, there's no percentage there, there's no rule, it's just don't</v>

00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.120
<v Speaker 3>show up and empty-handed.</v>

00:35:23.120 --> 00:35:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Why? According to the blessing the Lord your God has given you.</v>

00:35:27.200 --> 00:35:32.720
<v Speaker 3>If God has given you blessings, the first fruits should be foremost</v>

00:35:32.720 --> 00:35:35.760
<v Speaker 3>in your mind of benefiting neighbor.</v>

00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 3>As Corey's saying with the example of of farm communities, and that</v>

00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 3>still happens to this day.</v>

00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's often the case in a lot of our congregations,</v>

00:35:43.200 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 3>especially smaller ones that can't afford maybe to hire like a professional</v>

00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 3>handyman or whatever, there will be a couple guys in the congregation</v>

00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:55.520
<v Speaker 3>who do that as a living, you know, or they're just they're</v>

00:35:55.520 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 3>handy, they're good with their hands, they're competent to do those things.</v>

00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.240
<v Speaker 3>Those guys will frequently be, you know, the the property managers or</v>

00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:03.600
<v Speaker 3>something like that.</v>

00:36:03.600 --> 00:36:06.560
<v Speaker 3>That is not only stewardship, that is tithing.</v>

00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:10.640
<v Speaker 3>That is giving of their time and of their abilities, specifically in</v>

00:36:10.640 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 3>proportion to what God has given them.</v>

00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 3>If you're someone who's really good with, you know, electrical or whatever,</v>

00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.120
<v Speaker 3>and there's an electrical problem at church and it's, you know, licensing</v>

00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>wise, it's fine and it's the right thing to do.</v>

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.600
<v Speaker 3>You have done what God would like for you to do.</v>

00:36:25.680 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Like he put you in that place, and then there's a problem,</v>

00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.200
<v Speaker 3>and you're the ideal guy to be able to fix it.</v>

00:36:31.200 --> 00:36:33.520
<v Speaker 3>That is that's a tithe.</v>

00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:37.040
<v Speaker 3>It's not money, it's not a percentage, it's not necessarily time.</v>

00:36:37.040 --> 00:36:41.600
<v Speaker 3>But when you give back of the abundance of God's blessing, that</v>

00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 3>fulfills this law, and it is a law.</v>

00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.640
<v Speaker 3>God expects this of us, and he makes it clear.</v>

00:36:48.640 --> 00:36:51.920
<v Speaker 3>One of the other passages from the New Testament that goes even</v>

00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 3>further in a slightly different direction is from Mark 12.</v>

00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Jesus in his teaching said, Beware of the scribes who walk around</v>

00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.240
<v Speaker 3>in long robes and like greetings in the marketplaces, and have the</v>

00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:07.520
<v Speaker 3>best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts,</v>

00:37:07.520 --> 00:37:12.480
<v Speaker 3>who devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers, they</v>

00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.200
<v Speaker 3>will receive the greater condemnation.</v>

00:37:15.200 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 3>As he sat down opposite the treasury and watched people putting their</v>

00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 3>money into the offering box, many rich people put in large sums,</v>

00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.640
<v Speaker 3>and a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins,</v>

00:37:26.640 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 3>which make a penny.</v>

00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.200
<v Speaker 3>And he called his disciples to him and said to them, Truly</v>

00:37:31.200 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 3>I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than</v>

00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 3>all those who were contributing to the offering box, for they all</v>

00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.240
<v Speaker 3>contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has</v>

00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 3>put in everything she had, all that she had to live on.</v>

00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:48.800
<v Speaker 3>This is important for a couple reasons.</v>

00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:53.520
<v Speaker 3>One, as Corey said earlier, you are to give of your abundance,</v>

00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:56.160
<v Speaker 3>you're to give because God has given to you.</v>

00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 3>And she certainly didn't violate that here, and Jesus praised her specifically</v>

00:38:01.120 --> 00:38:04.720
<v Speaker 3>because she had given everything that she had to live on.</v>

00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 3>What sort of a statement of faith is that from the widow?</v>

00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.720
<v Speaker 3>What was the widow's might?</v>

00:38:10.720 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Was she planning to die the next day?</v>

00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 3>Was she planning to starve the next day?</v>

00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.240
<v Speaker 3>No. Her faith gave her the confidence that God would take care</v>

00:38:20.240 --> 00:38:22.160
<v Speaker 3>of her tomorrow.</v>

00:38:22.160 --> 00:38:27.680
<v Speaker 3>That's one of the key elements of the tithe is the confession</v>

00:38:27.680 --> 00:38:30.560
<v Speaker 3>that God you have given this to me today.</v>

00:38:30.560 --> 00:38:33.680
<v Speaker 3>I trust that you will continue to bless me in the future.</v>

00:38:33.680 --> 00:38:36.720
<v Speaker 3>So I don't need to hold back the first fruits for my</v>

00:38:36.720 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Speaker 3>own benefit.</v>

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't need to squirrel this away to protect my future.</v>

00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 3>I trust that you will take care of my future.</v>

00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Which, to be explicit, is not at all to condemn savings or</v>

00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:48.720
<v Speaker 3>anything like that.</v>

00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Good stewardship often means saving and not spending.</v>

00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:56.160
<v Speaker 3>It's a wise and commendable thing, and if someone's in a position</v>

00:38:56.160 --> 00:38:59.360
<v Speaker 3>to be able to save, they should do that.</v>

00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:03.040
<v Speaker 3>But again, this is all a matter of proportion and of what</v>

00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:03.680
<v Speaker 3>do you have in mind?</v>

00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.080
<v Speaker 3>She was compelled by conscience that day to go to the temple</v>

00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:12.160
<v Speaker 3>and to put in the last two copper half pennies that she</v>

00:39:12.160 --> 00:39:16.160
<v Speaker 3>had. And it was commendable because she gave everything she had to</v>

00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:16.720
<v Speaker 3>live on.</v>

00:39:16.720 --> 00:39:19.200
<v Speaker 3>She trusted that God was gonna take care of her.</v>

00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:23.040
<v Speaker 3>She trusted that the next day she wasn't going to starve.</v>

00:39:23.040 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Many times we've cited Matthew six as an example of that being</v>

00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.920
<v Speaker 3>the sort of faith that we should all carry throughout everything.</v>

00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 3>We trust in God to take care of our bodily needs because</v>

00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.240
<v Speaker 3>we know how much He loves us.</v>

00:39:36.240 --> 00:39:37.120
<v Speaker 3>He loves everyone.</v>

00:39:37.120 --> 00:39:40.240
<v Speaker 3>He loves even the people who hate and curse Him enough to</v>

00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:43.600
<v Speaker 3>give them oxygen and food and warm beds.</v>

00:39:43.600 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Every night Every night.</v>

00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 3>When God loves us that much that He gives us all these</v>

00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.680
<v Speaker 3>things, we can trust that if He's gonna love us tomorrow, He's</v>

00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:53.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna take care of us tomorrow.</v>

00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 3>So when we pray every day, give us this day our daily</v>

00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 3>bread, that's also a part of it.</v>

00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Trusting in God, the confession that I know where my meal came</v>

00:40:02.720 --> 00:40:06.480
<v Speaker 3>from, it came because I worked hard, but it also came because</v>

00:40:06.560 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 3>you know God put all the other people in the supply chain</v>

00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.040
<v Speaker 3>to bring that to my table.</v>

00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Or maybe, you know, you grow your own food.</v>

00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.160
<v Speaker 3>And so you've actually done all of the work to put that</v>

00:40:16.160 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 3>on your table.</v>

00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.960
<v Speaker 3>You know every amount of sweat and time it took to produce</v>

00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:26.240
<v Speaker 3>that one meal, you still understand that that blessing is coming from</v>

00:40:26.240 --> 00:40:30.160
<v Speaker 3>God. This is one of those cases where it's in the world</v>

00:40:30.240 --> 00:40:34.480
<v Speaker 3>we frequently see that those who are poorer, who who materially have</v>

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:39.200
<v Speaker 3>less, Oftentimes will give more of what they do have than those</v>

00:40:39.200 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 3>who are wealthier.</v>

00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 3>It's very common for the people who are closest to the edge,</v>

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 3>who can see over the edge, to give more generously because they</v>

00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.360
<v Speaker 3>know that today they're the ones who are giving some donation to</v>

00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:52.960
<v Speaker 3>whatever to help a neighbor.</v>

00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:56.240
<v Speaker 3>And they know that tomorrow they may well be the recipient of</v>

00:40:56.240 --> 00:40:58.480
<v Speaker 3>that sort of charity from someone else.</v>

00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.280
<v Speaker 3>And you know, today charity is kind of almost turned into a</v>

00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 3>dirty word.</v>

00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:02.880
<v Speaker 3>It's not.</v>

00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:07.600
<v Speaker 3>It's someone having and giving to someone who needs.</v>

00:41:07.600 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 3>The Deuteronomy 16 passage is it sounds a little bit like Marxism.</v>

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.040
<v Speaker 3>They shall not appear before the Lord empty handed.</v>

00:41:15.040 --> 00:41:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Every man shall give as he is able.</v>

00:41:17.600 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 3>That's a means test.</v>

00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:23.600
<v Speaker 3>If you have more, you should make sure that you give more.</v>

00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 3>There's no proportion, there's no rule or law, there's no There's no</v>

00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.080
<v Speaker 3>specific percentage, but it's the principle.</v>

00:41:30.080 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 3>And it's a principle that runs throughout all of us.</v>

00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 3>When we have and we're not giving to others, what is it</v>

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.960
<v Speaker 3>confessing? It's saying I'm gonna keep it all back, you know, I</v>

00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.120
<v Speaker 3>don't trust God to take care of me tomorrow.</v>

00:41:41.120 --> 00:41:42.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to help my neighbor.</v>

00:41:42.640 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't like those guys anyway.</v>

00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 3>They're jerks.</v>

00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.160
<v Speaker 3>I you know I hope they starve.</v>

00:41:46.160 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, the the parable that Good Samaritan tells us about that, if</v>

00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.480
<v Speaker 3>you go by someone, see them suffering and you cross to the</v>

00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.200
<v Speaker 3>other side, you've committed an act of wickedness.</v>

00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:59.200
<v Speaker 3>It's when someone is in immediate need that is the most urgent</v>

00:41:59.200 --> 00:42:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Christian duty for us to help them.</v>

00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 3>And</v>

00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>the concept of tithing and charity, as Corey's saying, it goes hand</v>

00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.920
<v Speaker 3>in hand because the tithe not only is it not ten percent,</v>

00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 3>it's an amount that you are able to give consciously and freely.</v>

00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 3>And you know, maybe the property steward of your congregation doesn't have</v>

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.880
<v Speaker 3>much money or whoever it is, whatever you are, there's something you</v>

00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 3>can do, even if you don't have any money, you can still</v>

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.400
<v Speaker 3>give some of your time.</v>

00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.240
<v Speaker 3>You can do something.</v>

00:42:28.240 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 3>God is happy with all of that.</v>

00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.800
<v Speaker 3>He's not sitting there with a spreadsheet making sure that that we're</v>

00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.120
<v Speaker 3>crossing some minimum threshold.</v>

00:42:37.120 --> 00:42:39.040
<v Speaker 3>It's about our hearts.</v>

00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:42.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think it's important to consider this</v>

00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:47.200
<v Speaker 3>in a similar context to when Jesus was teaching them about the</v>

00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 3>fifth and sixth commandments, about saying, You've heard it said you shall</v>

00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 3>not kill, I say don't hate.</v>

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.520
<v Speaker 3>You've heard it say don't commit adultery, I say don't commit lust.</v>

00:42:57.520 --> 00:43:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Jesus was pointing out that the law is a lot harder because</v>

00:43:01.600 --> 00:43:05.680
<v Speaker 3>it's not a number, it's not an act, it's not a checklist,</v>

00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:07.360
<v Speaker 3>it begins in the heart.</v>

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 3>And this is something that begins in the heart too.</v>

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Trusting in God to provide for you tomorrow, thanks to God for</v>

00:43:13.600 --> 00:43:16.640
<v Speaker 3>having provided for you today, that's in the heart.</v>

00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:18.880
<v Speaker 3>That's not a spreadsheet, it's not a number.</v>

00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 3>It's something that we either completely ignore because we have so much</v>

00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.720
<v Speaker 3>material blessing, which is typical for a lot of people Of people,</v>

00:43:26.720 --> 00:43:29.680
<v Speaker 3>or we do recognize it, hopefully in obedience to God.</v>

00:43:29.680 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 3>And that's you know, that's the reason for doing this episode to</v>

00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.400
<v Speaker 3>gaze is that we all periodically need a reminder, hey, don't forget</v>

00:43:36.720 --> 00:43:38.560
<v Speaker 3>everything that you have is from God.</v>

00:43:38.560 --> 00:43:39.280
<v Speaker 3>It's obvious.</v>

00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.600
<v Speaker 3>It's a stupid thing to say even.</v>

00:43:41.600 --> 00:43:45.600
<v Speaker 3>But we still need to hear it because in some ways the</v>

00:43:45.600 --> 00:43:48.720
<v Speaker 3>harder you work for what you have, you know, the the more</v>

00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 3>blood, sweat, and tears it takes to do the thing and to</v>

00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.920
<v Speaker 3>earn the money or the whatever, the harder it is to acknowledge</v>

00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 3>that not only did God give you the ability to do all</v>

00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.840
<v Speaker 3>those things, but he gave you the opportunity and he gave you</v>

00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.600
<v Speaker 3>the energy to to follow through.</v>

00:44:03.600 --> 00:44:06.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, even all the things where we work really hard on,</v>

00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:08.160
<v Speaker 3>God is still pouring out his blessings.</v>

00:44:08.160 --> 00:44:12.240
<v Speaker 3>And then he pours out the blessings of whatever remuneration we receive.</v>

00:44:12.240 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 3>It's always from God.</v>

00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:18.240
<v Speaker 3>It's paramount in all of our thinking about everything, about tithing, about</v>

00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:19.600
<v Speaker 3>whatever in your life.</v>

00:44:19.600 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 3>It's always first from God.</v>

00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Our lives, particularly as Christians, need to be lives of response, which</v>

00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 3>is why there's a lot of discussion on Stone Choir about doing.</v>

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Not because you can save yourself.</v>

00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:34.160
<v Speaker 3>There's that's that's done.</v>

00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:35.680
<v Speaker 3>That's in a rear view mirror.</v>

00:44:35.680 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 3>And we give thanks every day that God loved us so much</v>

00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.040
<v Speaker 3>that even when we didn't know any of this stuff, even we're</v>

00:44:41.040 --> 00:44:43.120
<v Speaker 3>doing the wrong things, he still loved us.</v>

00:44:43.120 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 3>And he gave us salvation, he gave us faith to receive that</v>

00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.240
<v Speaker 3>salvation, and he gave us scripture and he gave us teaching to</v>

00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:53.200
<v Speaker 3>understand what he wants for us.</v>

00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:56.720
<v Speaker 3>And then when we're in accord with his will, he pours out</v>

00:44:56.720 --> 00:44:58.080
<v Speaker 3>his blessings even more.</v>

00:44:58.080 --> 00:45:00.480
<v Speaker 3>It's the best deal you could possibly get.</v>

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 3>But you have to be aware.</v>

00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.520
<v Speaker 3>If you'd never think about these things, you're just going to casually</v>

00:45:05.520 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 3>do whatever, not realizing that you're missing out.</v>

00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.040
<v Speaker 3>You're missing out on the good works you could do for your</v>

00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 3>neighbor. Like you said, you're not doing your good works for God.</v>

00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:15.520
<v Speaker 3>God doesn't need 'em.</v>

00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:17.120
<v Speaker 3>God gave you the good works.</v>

00:45:17.120 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 3>He prepared the good works in advance for you to do them,</v>

00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 3>to benefit your neighbor, and he's going to give you credit for</v>

00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 3>them. We talked about fairness last week.</v>

00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:26.960
<v Speaker 3>None of this is fair.</v>

00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 3>It's all God pouring out his blessings, but it happens in real</v>

00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.680
<v Speaker 3>time. It happens in creation.</v>

00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 3>And it happens often with material.</v>

00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.160
<v Speaker 3>These aren't just spiritual matters.</v>

00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:38.000
<v Speaker 3>These are actual material things.</v>

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.680
<v Speaker 3>You need food in your belly.</v>

00:45:39.680 --> 00:45:40.720
<v Speaker 3>You need a bed.</v>

00:45:40.720 --> 00:45:42.720
<v Speaker 3>You need some place to sleep.</v>

00:45:42.720 --> 00:45:45.840
<v Speaker 3>And you never feel that more than when you are lacking it</v>

00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 3>for whatever reason.</v>

00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Folks who have actually been on the other side of that chasm</v>

00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 3>where they were lacking those things have a sort of appreciation of</v>

00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 3>those for us who've never experienced that, including me.</v>

00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.080
<v Speaker 3>I have no firsthand understanding.</v>

00:45:58.080 --> 00:46:00.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like I can read Oliver Twist.</v>

00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't tell me what it's like to be an orphan.</v>

00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 3>I have no concept of that kind of suffering.</v>

00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Those who have experienced it have a special appreciation for God's gifts,</v>

00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.760
<v Speaker 3>and frequently they're the ones who are the most active in giving</v>

00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:18.160
<v Speaker 3>out of gratitude, have knowing how easy it is, no matter how</v>

00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:22.160
<v Speaker 3>you know all of your obedience in the world may not actually</v>

00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:25.760
<v Speaker 3>turn into you having a bed because that's not necessarily how it</v>

00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 3>works. You know, these blessings and promises are tied, but we're also</v>

00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 3>promised that you know bad things will happen.</v>

00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.520
<v Speaker 3>And not to everyone, you know, some people leave charmed lives, some</v>

00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:40.080
<v Speaker 3>people live really rough lives.</v>

00:46:40.080 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 3>God is blessing everyone.</v>

00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 3>And for someone who's lived a rough life to know how lucky</v>

00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.520
<v Speaker 3>they are when God gives them anything because a neighbor reaches out</v>

00:46:49.520 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 3>in charity, you know, when a church is able to provide something</v>

00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 3>for them because someone gave freely and abundantly, they have the sort</v>

00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:01.280
<v Speaker 3>of appreciation for God's bounty that I think is deprived of most</v>

00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.680
<v Speaker 3>of us because we have so much.</v>

00:47:03.680 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>The mental activity here is really one of the important parts in</v>

00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:08.800
<v Speaker 3>the heart.</v>

00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Like it's not just a mental thing.</v>

00:47:10.080 --> 00:47:15.120
<v Speaker 3>It's the awareness that we have opportunities to do these good things</v>

00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.920
<v Speaker 3>and it's a blessing when we can.</v>

00:47:18.160 --> 00:47:21.600
<v Speaker 3>And so don't take this as you must do this to get</v>

00:47:21.600 --> 00:47:22.320
<v Speaker 3>good things.</v>

00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Don't take this as here's the number.</v>

00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Take this as a reminder, just as the Lord's Prayer right in</v>

00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 3>the middle says, give us this day our daily bread.</v>

00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.680
<v Speaker 3>That's a reminder that every day, just like the manna came down</v>

00:47:33.680 --> 00:47:37.600
<v Speaker 3>from heaven, we don't have mana reigning down today, but most of</v>

00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 3>us are blessed with jobs.</v>

00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.280
<v Speaker 3>You have some way of receiving the things that you need.</v>

00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.720
<v Speaker 3>And if you don't have that, you're praying for that to return</v>

00:47:46.720 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 3>to you.</v>

00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.720
<v Speaker 3>And you're thankful for whatever you have in the meantime.</v>

00:47:50.720 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 3>This thanksgiving for everything that we receive is really a crucial part</v>

00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 3>of the Christian life.</v>

00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:57.520
<v Speaker 3>It's much more fundamental.</v>

00:47:57.520 --> 00:48:01.360
<v Speaker 3>It's even down below the concept of tithing or anything else.</v>

00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:06.160
<v Speaker 3>It's the immediate awareness that what I have was given to me</v>

00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 3>for a purpose.</v>

00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Not because I deserved it, not because I earned it all by</v>

00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.920
<v Speaker 3>myself, because God has given me these things.</v>

00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 3>And being thankful for them and sharing them with others is truly</v>

00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.120
<v Speaker 3>the least we can do.</v>

00:48:19.120 --> 00:48:23.200
<v Speaker 3>But we're blessed when we do it because it becomes a joy.</v>

00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 3>When the men went to thasts and they gave as they were</v>

00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.560
<v Speaker 3>able according to the blessing of God, they were blessed by it.</v>

00:48:30.560 --> 00:48:32.800
<v Speaker 3>To be reminded is a good thing.</v>

00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.080
<v Speaker 3>It's when we do episodes like this, it's to remind people because</v>

00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:36.720
<v Speaker 3>it's a good thing.</v>

00:48:36.720 --> 00:48:39.440
<v Speaker 3>This episode is not intended to be any sort of a burden.</v>

00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.720
<v Speaker 3>It's like tisk, tisk, everyone's doing this wrong.</v>

00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:46.640
<v Speaker 3>It's remember all the good things that God has given you.</v>

00:48:46.640 --> 00:48:51.600
<v Speaker 3>And if you've been forgetting, be thankful that you were reminded and</v>

00:48:51.600 --> 00:48:53.360
<v Speaker 3>then do something with it.</v>

00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Be thankful.</v>

00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:56.720
<v Speaker 3>The Christian life is a joyful one.</v>

00:48:56.720 --> 00:49:00.720
<v Speaker 3>It's not walking around under a cloud feeling like, man, I I</v>

00:49:00.720 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 3>can't keep up with all this.</v>

00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.040
<v Speaker 3>There's so much to do.</v>

00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:06.400
<v Speaker 3>No. What we can't keep up with is the blessings that God</v>

00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:07.360
<v Speaker 3>has given us.</v>

00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:11.680
<v Speaker 3>And recognizing that in your heart and your mind can make all</v>

00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:13.200
<v Speaker 3>the difference in your own life.</v>

00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:17.120
<v Speaker 3>It can make you have the sort of confidence that the widow</v>

00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:19.040
<v Speaker 3>had when she gave her two mites.</v>

00:49:19.040 --> 00:49:21.600
<v Speaker 3>She gave everything that she had because she knew God was going</v>

00:49:21.600 --> 00:49:22.800
<v Speaker 3>to take care of her.</v>

00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 3>She wasn't sad when she did that.</v>

00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 3>You can be certain of that.</v>

00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:27.520
<v Speaker 3>She was joyous.</v>

00:49:27.520 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 3>She knew that she belonged to God and God was going to</v>

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:31.360
<v Speaker 3>take care of her.</v>

00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Everything about that Jesus commended, because he knew her heart.</v>

00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 3>And it's plainly obvious, I think, from just the events themselves.</v>

00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.040
<v Speaker 3>She gave the last that she had, knowing that God will continue</v>

00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 3>to provide.</v>

00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.520
<v Speaker 3>She was the wealthiest person that that temple that day.</v>

00:49:48.160 --> 00:49:54.240
<v Speaker 2>We can, of course, contrast the giving of those two half pennies</v>

00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>by the widow with a sort of tithing that the Pharisees did.</v>

00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Now before I go over the passages themselves, I do want to</v>

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:08.320
<v Speaker 2>point out, even if you are not a particularly cheerful giver, and</v>

00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.520
<v Speaker 2>you should be a cheerful giver, scripture speaks very clearly on that.</v>

00:50:11.520 --> 00:50:14.160
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that passage in a little bit.</v>

00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:17.680
<v Speaker 2>But even if you are not a cheerful giver, it is better</v>

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.400
<v Speaker 2>to tithe, with a little bit of reservation as it may be,</v>

00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.040
<v Speaker 2>than not to tithe.</v>

00:50:25.040 --> 00:50:29.840
<v Speaker 2>To do the good work, even if you cannot muster all of</v>

00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the proper intent, the proper disposition, is still better than not to</v>

00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>do the good work.</v>

00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.960
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that the Pharisees, and I will read the passage</v>

00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.040
<v Speaker 2>in a just a few seconds here, the fact that the Pharisees</v>

00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:47.520
<v Speaker 2>tithe is a good thing and they are commended for that, but</v>

00:50:47.520 --> 00:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>note for what Christ critiques them.</v>

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>But woe to you Pharisees, for you tithe mint and roo and</v>

00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 2>every body</v>

00:51:04.160 --> 00:51:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Woe to you Pharisees, for you love the best seat in the</v>

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.240
<v Speaker 2>synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces.</v>

00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Woe to you, for you are like unmarked graves, and people walk</v>

00:51:14.560 --> 00:51:18.160
<v Speaker 2>over them without knowing it.</v>

00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:23.600
<v Speaker 2>The Pharisees are commended for tithing.</v>

00:51:23.600 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>These you ought to have done without neglecting the others, so the</v>

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 2>fact that they do not neglect to tithe is a good thing.</v>

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>They tithe, they're praised for that.</v>

00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Christ critiques them because they neglect the other things that are important</v>

00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.640
<v Speaker 2>in the law, the other things that are more important in the</v>

00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 2>law justice and the love of God.</v>

00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.560
<v Speaker 2>And incidentally also love for neighbor being the second of the two</v>

00:51:50.560 --> 00:51:52.640
<v Speaker 2>greatest commandments.</v>

00:51:52.640 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 2>And so when you tithe, that is a good work, that is</v>

00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a good thing, that is responding properly, it is exercising proper stewardship</v>

00:52:03.200 --> 00:52:05.200
<v Speaker 2>over what God is giving you.</v>

00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>But you are also to do that cheerfully, and you are to</v>

00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:11.520
<v Speaker 2>do it in a way that shows that love for neighbor and</v>

00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 2>love for God.</v>

00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:17.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's why, as we've mentioned a couple of times already, just</v>

00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.640
<v Speaker 2>writing the check is good.</v>

00:52:20.640 --> 00:52:23.920
<v Speaker 2>And you should do that most certainly if God has blessed you</v>

00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.400
<v Speaker 2>with material abundance that can be rendered into a check, as it</v>

00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:32.240
<v Speaker 2>were, or a credit card transaction as is more likely these days.</v>

00:52:32.240 --> 00:52:35.520
<v Speaker 2>If God has blessed you in that way, then you return thanks</v>

00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:38.560
<v Speaker 2>for that in an appropriate way.</v>

00:52:38.560 --> 00:52:43.200
<v Speaker 2>But just because it is, let's say, more efficient for you to</v>

00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 2>go out and earn an hour's worth of money than it is</v>

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.800
<v Speaker 2>for you to go and perform an hour's worth of labor, doesn't</v>

00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:52.640
<v Speaker 2>mean that you neglect the latter.</v>

00:52:52.640 --> 00:52:56.960
<v Speaker 2>These are fundamentally different things, and they are both important.</v>

00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.640
<v Speaker 2>To give of the material wealth that God has provided for you</v>

00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:01.920
<v Speaker 2>is important.</v>

00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>You are to do that, that's part of tithing.</v>

00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 2>But you do not form the sort of connection with your neighbor,</v>

00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you do not form community, you aren't really living a human life,</v>

00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 2>let alone a Christian life, if you don't physically actually interact with</v>

00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.240
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor, with your congregation, with your community.</v>

00:53:22.240 --> 00:53:26.800
<v Speaker 2>And so it may be something like helping him mow the lawn.</v>

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 2>If you happen to have a great lawn mower and you have</v>

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:33.360
<v Speaker 2>an elderly neighbor who is no longer really able to get around</v>

00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.640
<v Speaker 2>to those chores, go mow the lawn for him.</v>

00:53:36.640 --> 00:53:39.680
<v Speaker 2>It won't take that much of your time most likely, and it</v>

00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:43.360
<v Speaker 2>is one of those ways that you can actually serve your neighbor.</v>

00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.560
<v Speaker 2>It may even be that it would be cheaper, so to speak,</v>

00:53:46.560 --> 00:53:49.040
<v Speaker 2>for you to pay someone else to do it.</v>

00:53:49.040 --> 00:53:51.200
<v Speaker 2>But go do it yourself.</v>

00:53:51.200 --> 00:53:55.200
<v Speaker 2>That builds a different connection with your neighbor than if you just</v>

00:53:55.200 --> 00:53:57.520
<v Speaker 2>paid for a service to go do it for him.</v>

00:53:57.680 --> 00:54:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Even if, again, even if it would be more economically efficient for</v>

00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.600
<v Speaker 2>you to earn an hour's worth of income and then pay someone</v>

00:54:07.600 --> 00:54:09.280
<v Speaker 2>else to do it.</v>

00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Because they are different things.</v>

00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 2>There is that</v>

00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:17.040
<v Speaker 2>distance and coldness to the relationship if you are simply doing the</v>

00:54:17.040 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 2>good works through intermediaries.</v>

00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.520
<v Speaker 2>It does not mean that you neglect the one in pursuit of</v>

00:54:23.520 --> 00:54:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the other, but it does mean that both are important, just like</v>

00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Christ speaks here of the Pharisees' tithing as being good, that's proper,</v>

00:54:33.520 --> 00:54:36.720
<v Speaker 2>they are not neglecting that part of the law, but they are</v>

00:54:36.720 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 2>neglecting the other parts of the law that are actually more important.</v>

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And so, for instance, we see the self-righteousness of the Pharisee later</v>

00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.600
<v Speaker 2>on in Luke, this time chapter 18.</v>

00:54:49.600 --> 00:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>The Pharisee standing by himself prayed thus, God I thank you that</v>

00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like</v>

00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:02.800
<v Speaker 2>this tax collector, I fast twice a week, I give tithes of</v>

00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:04.240
<v Speaker 2>all that I get.</v>

00:55:04.240 --> 00:55:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Then Is the tithing good?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Still yes.</v>

00:55:08.240 --> 00:55:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Is his disposition good?</v>

00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Very clearly no.</v>

00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:16.000
<v Speaker 2>He is being self righteous, he is praising himself, he thinks that</v>

00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 2>he is holier than others, because he is doing this thing.</v>

00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Is doing a good work a good thing?</v>

00:55:23.200 --> 00:55:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Well obviously yes.</v>

00:55:25.680 --> 00:55:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Is doing the good work with the right disposition important?</v>

00:55:30.160 --> 00:55:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Again, it's better to do the good work with an imperfect</v>

00:55:34.240 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 2>disposition than not to do it.</v>

00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>But God requires both of us.</v>

00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.080
<v Speaker 2>That is why we see, in the Sermon on the Mount and</v>

00:55:42.080 --> 00:55:46.560
<v Speaker 2>elsewhere, where Christ is explaining the law, and it's not just a</v>

00:55:46.560 --> 00:55:50.640
<v Speaker 2>matter of doing or not doing the thing, whether the thing is</v>

00:55:50.640 --> 00:55:54.400
<v Speaker 2>required or prohibited, it is also a matter of having the right</v>

00:55:54.400 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>intent, the right disposition, the right mindset with regard to the thing.</v>

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And so it is one thing to murder another man.</v>

00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:07.120
<v Speaker 2>That would be a sin you are not permitted to do that.</v>

00:56:07.120 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>But it is also a sin to desire to kill him.</v>

00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.960
<v Speaker 2>You should not want that either.</v>

00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.080
<v Speaker 2>In the case that it is murder, of course, we're not speaking</v>

00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:19.520
<v Speaker 2>of a Genesis nine six issue.</v>

00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:24.640
<v Speaker 2>And so with tithing, God loves a cheerful giver.</v>

00:56:24.640 --> 00:56:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Part of this entire matter is having the right disposition, the right</v>

00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 2>mindset with regard to the things that God has given you.</v>

00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Because if you have that mindset, then you will be a cheerful</v>

00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 2>giver because you will recognize that God is the one who has</v>

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:44.240
<v Speaker 2>provided these things for you.</v>

00:56:44.240 --> 00:56:48.640
<v Speaker 2>He is the one that is giving you everything you have, whatever</v>

00:56:48.640 --> 00:56:53.440
<v Speaker 2>wealth you have, whatever property you possess, whether it is real property</v>

00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:58.160
<v Speaker 2>or personal property, the people in your life, your attributes, your skills,</v>

00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:01.520
<v Speaker 2>your capacities, everything is from God.</v>

00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And so when you give, you are cheerfully giving, because you are</v>

00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.400
<v Speaker 2>recognizing you are giving back a portion to God of what He</v>

00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 2>is giving you as thanks.</v>

00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:13.680
<v Speaker 2>And the way that you do that You do that, of course,</v>

00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:17.040
<v Speaker 2>is by giving to your neighbor, because again, God doesn't need your</v>

00:57:17.040 --> 00:57:21.840
<v Speaker 2>money. And so I'll read from Second Corinthians chapter nine, which goes</v>

00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.280
<v Speaker 2>over the issue of the cheerful giver.</v>

00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:30.320
<v Speaker 2>The point is this whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and</v>

00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:33.840
<v Speaker 2>whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.</v>

00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Each one must give as he is decided in his heart, not</v>

00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.080
<v Speaker 2>reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.</v>

00:57:42.080 --> 00:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so</v>

00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.880
<v Speaker 2>that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may</v>

00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:53.360
<v Speaker 2>abound in every good work, as it is written, He has distributed</v>

00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:59.280
<v Speaker 2>freely, He has given to the poor, His righteousness endures for ever.</v>

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Speaker 2>He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, will</v>

00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.120
<v Speaker 2>supply and multiply your seed for sowing And increase the harvest of</v>

00:58:07.120 --> 00:58:08.560
<v Speaker 2>your righteousness.</v>

00:58:08.560 --> 00:58:11.600
<v Speaker 2>You will be enriched in every way to be generous in every</v>

00:58:11.600 --> 00:58:15.040
<v Speaker 2>way, which through us will produce thanksgiving to God.</v>

00:58:15.040 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 2>For the ministry of this service is not only supplying the needs</v>

00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:23.120
<v Speaker 2>of the saints, but is also overflowing in many thanksgivings to God.</v>

00:58:23.120 --> 00:58:27.360
<v Speaker 2>By their approval of this service, they will glorify God, because of</v>

00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.440
<v Speaker 2>your submission that comes from your confession of the gospel of Christ,</v>

00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and the generosity of your contribution for them and for all others,</v>

00:58:35.600 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 2>while they long for you and pray for you, because of the</v>

00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.640
<v Speaker 2>surpassing grace of God upon you.</v>

00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Thanks be to God for his inexpressible gift</v>

00:58:46.160 --> 00:58:50.720
<v Speaker 2>In a handful of passages in scripture, you will notice there's almost</v>

00:58:50.720 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a sort of blurring of the line</v>

00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.240
<v Speaker 2>between what we would consider</v>

00:58:57.200 --> 00:59:01.280
<v Speaker 2>tithing proper, as it were, because in the modern mindset it really</v>

00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.040
<v Speaker 2>does boil down to money.</v>

00:59:03.040 --> 00:59:07.680
<v Speaker 2>It shouldn't, as we've gone over already, but it sort of does.</v>

00:59:07.680 --> 00:59:14.080
<v Speaker 2>And this issue of good works and faith working out in one's</v>

00:59:14.080 --> 00:59:18.640
<v Speaker 2>life and seeing a return that isn't a monetary or a physical</v>

00:59:18.640 --> 00:59:24.080
<v Speaker 2>return, as it were, but a return, a harvest of your righteousness.</v>

00:59:24.080 --> 00:59:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Because these things are so intimately and intricately linked that they are</v>

00:59:29.600 --> 00:59:35.040
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily one and the same, but they are inextricable.</v>

00:59:35.040 --> 00:59:38.640
<v Speaker 2>They are connected in a way where they cannot be disconnected.</v>

00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Because the good works that you do, tithing included, is linked to</v>

00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:46.560
<v Speaker 2>how you share the faith.</v>

00:59:46.560 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Because living your life as a Christian</v>

00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:55.120
<v Speaker 2>is of paramount importance when it comes to sharing the faith.</v>

00:59:55.120 --> 00:59:58.400
<v Speaker 2>If you live as someone who, for all the world, does not</v>

00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.880
<v Speaker 2>appear to be a Christian in any way, shape, or form, when</v>

01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:05.040
<v Speaker 2>you stand up and profess Christ, no one will listen to you.</v>

01:00:05.040 --> 01:00:08.080
<v Speaker 2>And quite frankly, they shouldn't listen to you.</v>

01:00:08.080 --> 01:00:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Worse than that, you will probably be doing damage to the kingdom</v>

01:00:11.120 --> 01:00:13.680
<v Speaker 2>because they will think, well, all Christians are just hypocrites.</v>

01:00:13.680 --> 01:00:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Look at this man who does all does all of these wicked</v>

01:00:16.560 --> 01:00:22.560
<v Speaker 2>deeds according to his religion, and then says that he's a Christian.</v>

01:00:22.560 --> 01:00:28.080
<v Speaker 2>If you live as a Christian, that is a more powerful testimony</v>

01:00:28.080 --> 01:00:32.320
<v Speaker 2>of Christ and of the fact that Christ is dwelling in you,</v>

01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.720
<v Speaker 2>then if you simply stand up and profess Christ, you must live</v>

01:00:36.720 --> 01:00:40.160
<v Speaker 2>as a Christian and also give the confession, and part of living</v>

01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:44.800
<v Speaker 2>as a Christian is tithing, is returning this portion to God is</v>

01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.040
<v Speaker 2>serving your neighbor.</v>

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:50.240
<v Speaker 2>And I know that we've said the word tithing a lot, and</v>

01:00:50.240 --> 01:00:54.640
<v Speaker 2>we've already mentioned this, but just to make sure we're absolutely clear,</v>

01:00:54.640 --> 01:00:58.720
<v Speaker 2>tithing does not mean just the giving of ten percent.</v>

01:00:58.720 --> 01:01:02.640
<v Speaker 2>It is something greater than that, it is something larger than that.</v>

01:01:02.640 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 2>The tithing in Old Testament Israel, in a sense, is typological.</v>

01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:09.200
<v Speaker 2>It is the lesser</v>

01:01:10.080 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 2>version of what we are to do in the Christian life.</v>

01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Because the Christian life is to be a life of service to</v>

01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:22.080
<v Speaker 2>neighbor, is to be a life of good works, filled with good</v>

01:01:22.080 --> 01:01:27.760
<v Speaker 2>works, because God prepared them beforehand that we should walk in them.</v>

01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:32.640
<v Speaker 2>And so the Christian life, by and large, is a life of</v>

01:01:32.640 --> 01:01:34.240
<v Speaker 2>constant tithing.</v>

01:01:34.240 --> 01:01:38.560
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean giving ten percent out of your paycheck every week</v>

01:01:38.640 --> 01:01:41.760
<v Speaker 2>or every two weeks or month, however you happen to be paid,</v>

01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:48.240
<v Speaker 2>or giving every tenth of your sheep when you count them, as</v>

01:01:48.240 --> 01:01:52.000
<v Speaker 2>would have been the case in Old Testament Israel and other places.</v>

01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.160
<v Speaker 2>That's not what it is.</v>

01:01:54.160 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Living the Christian life is fundamentally a life Of living good works,</v>

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.800
<v Speaker 2>of performing good works, because God will place them in front of</v>

01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.160
<v Speaker 2>you, you will have ample opportunity to engage in them.</v>

01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:11.040
<v Speaker 2>And so that's the anti-type of the typology of the Old Testament</v>

01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:16.400
<v Speaker 2>tithe. Just as the tithe itself is symbolic because again it is</v>

01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.520
<v Speaker 2>meant to represent thanks for the whole by giving back part.</v>

01:02:21.520 --> 01:02:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it has the practical aspects of helping to maintain the church,</v>

01:02:26.720 --> 01:02:31.120
<v Speaker 2>and to aid the poor, the widow, the fatherless, whatever group it</v>

01:02:31.120 --> 01:02:33.600
<v Speaker 2>happens to be, the needy among you.</v>

01:02:33.600 --> 01:02:41.040
<v Speaker 2>In Old Testament Israel, it's supported the temple, the priests, the sacrifices,</v>

01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 2>all of the ritual worship that God had commanded for the Israelites.</v>

01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.560
<v Speaker 2>That was what the tithe by and large supported.</v>

01:02:48.560 --> 01:02:53.040
<v Speaker 2>It was still thanksgiving to God, but it was given specifically to</v>

01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:57.600
<v Speaker 2>this group in this way at this time, as well mentioned.</v>

01:02:57.600 --> 01:03:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Today we do not have that.</v>

01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:05.040
<v Speaker 2>And so the Christian life is actually a greater fullness of that</v>

01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:09.280
<v Speaker 2>than was the life of the Old Testament Israelite.</v>

01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Because God has given us abundant opportunities in order to perform good</v>

01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:14.960
<v Speaker 2>works.</v>

01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Giving back to neighbor, to congregation, to community is the Christian life.</v>

01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.040
<v Speaker 2>That is how you live in this world as a Christian.</v>

01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:27.600
<v Speaker 2>And so</v>

01:03:28.640 --> 01:03:30.720
<v Speaker 2>it's not just that 10%.</v>

01:03:30.720 --> 01:03:32.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not just the tithe.</v>

01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Think of the Christian version, the fully Christian version of the tithe</v>

01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.480
<v Speaker 2>as being something greater.</v>

01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.600
<v Speaker 2>I am very tempted to say that the tithe is the minimum,</v>

01:03:45.600 --> 01:03:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and in a way it is, but the reason that I don't</v>

01:03:48.640 --> 01:03:51.920
<v Speaker 2>want to necessarily say that is I don't want to give the</v>

01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:55.040
<v Speaker 2>wrong impression because then there'll be those who think, well I can't</v>

01:03:55.040 --> 01:03:58.320
<v Speaker 2>give ten percent and so I can't possibly be Christian because I</v>

01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:59.040
<v Speaker 2>can't tie.</v>

01:03:59.040 --> 01:04:02.320
<v Speaker 2>That's not the issue.</v>

01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:06.000
<v Speaker 2>The ten percent is a minimum in the sense</v>

01:04:07.600 --> 01:04:11.360
<v Speaker 2>of you have to give something back as a Christian, whether it</v>

01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:17.200
<v Speaker 2>is your time or your money, resources, whatever it happens to be.</v>

01:04:17.200 --> 01:04:21.520
<v Speaker 2>And the 10% is meant to be that symbol of I am</v>

01:04:21.520 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 2>giving back this first fruit, this portion, this fat portion of what</v>

01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 2>God has given me in order to represent both the thanks for</v>

01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the whole and my recognition that all of it comes from God</v>

01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and it comes with the duty to help others.</v>

01:04:40.720 --> 01:04:44.720
<v Speaker 2>To help explain that further and to make sure that I'm abundantly</v>

01:04:44.720 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 2>clear on the issue of the poor not being required to give</v>

01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:55.600
<v Speaker 2>ten percent and thus reduce themselves into worse or abject poverty, God</v>

01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:00.720
<v Speaker 2>speaks frequently of his concern for the poor, for the vulnerable, for</v>

01:05:00.720 --> 01:05:07.520
<v Speaker 2>those in society who are at risk of falling into abject suffering.</v>

01:05:07.520 --> 01:05:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And yes, society has duties with regard to that.</v>

01:05:10.640 --> 01:05:14.880
<v Speaker 2>We've spoken of that before and we'll speak of that undoubtedly in</v>

01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:17.680
<v Speaker 2>greater detail in other episodes.</v>

01:05:17.680 --> 01:05:23.520
<v Speaker 2>But God actually makes specific provisions for the poor in Scripture and</v>

01:05:23.520 --> 01:05:26.720
<v Speaker 2>speaks of the fact that we as Christians are supposed to care</v>

01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:30.320
<v Speaker 2>for the poor, and that the poor are not to be burdened</v>

01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:34.320
<v Speaker 2>with these things, the tithe is not meant to be a burden.</v>

01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:38.880
<v Speaker 2>The passage I just recently read God loves a cheerful giver.</v>

01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.920
<v Speaker 2>You are meant to give cheerfully.</v>

01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.720
<v Speaker 2>And so I'll read from Leviticus.</v>

01:05:44.720 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 2>But if he cannot afford two turtledoves or two pigeons, then he</v>

01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.960
<v Speaker 2>shall bring as an offering for the sin that he has committed</v>

01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:54.880
<v Speaker 2>a tenth of an effaw of fine flour for a sin offering.</v>

01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:58.080
<v Speaker 2>And then it goes on from there to give more specifics.</v>

01:05:58.080 --> 01:06:02.080
<v Speaker 2>But God provides even with the case of the sin offering, for</v>

01:06:02.080 --> 01:06:06.000
<v Speaker 2>a less expensive version for those who cannot afford it.</v>

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.880
<v Speaker 2>God has concern for the poor.</v>

01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.160
<v Speaker 2>None of this is meant to lay a burden on the poor</v>

01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that they cannot uphold.</v>

01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:20.800
<v Speaker 2>We see that, of course, when Christ is rebuking the religious teachers</v>

01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:23.120
<v Speaker 2>of Old Testament Israel.</v>

01:06:23.120 --> 01:06:26.800
<v Speaker 2>He speaks of laying burdens that they themselves do not even bother</v>

01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:27.760
<v Speaker 2>to bear.</v>

01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 2>That is not what we are doing.</v>

01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.320
<v Speaker 2>That is not what any truly Christian teacher will do, it is</v>

01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 2>not what Scripture does, it is not what God wants.</v>

01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And so also in the New Testament from Second Corinthians, this time</v>

01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.480
<v Speaker 2>from chapter eight instead of previously chapter nine</v>

01:06:43.600 --> 01:06:46.560
<v Speaker 2>We want you to know, brothers, about the grace of God that</v>

01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:49.840
<v Speaker 2>has been given among the churches of Macedonia, for in a severe</v>

01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:54.640
<v Speaker 2>test of affliction, their abundance of joy and their extreme poverty have</v>

01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:58.880
<v Speaker 2>overflowed in a wealth of generosity on their part, for they gave</v>

01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:03.280
<v Speaker 2>according to their means, as I can testify, and beyond their means</v>

01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:06.960
<v Speaker 2>of their own accord, begging us earnestly for the favour of taking</v>

01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:08.800
<v Speaker 2>part in the relief of the saints.</v>

01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.800
<v Speaker 2>And this And this, not as we expected, but they gave themselves</v>

01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.920
<v Speaker 2>first to the Lord, and then by the will of God to</v>

01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.560
<v Speaker 2>us. Accordingly we urged Titus, that as he had started, so he</v>

01:07:20.560 --> 01:07:23.040
<v Speaker 2>should complete among you this act of grace.</v>

01:07:23.040 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 2>But as you excel in everything, in faith, in speech, in knowledge,</v>

01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:31.120
<v Speaker 2>in all earnestness, and in our love for you, see that you</v>

01:07:31.120 --> 01:07:33.760
<v Speaker 2>excel in this act of grace also.</v>

01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.120
<v Speaker 2>I say this not as a command, but to prove by the</v>

01:07:37.120 --> 01:07:41.600
<v Speaker 2>earnestness of others that your love also is genuine, for you know</v>

01:07:41.600 --> 01:07:45.200
<v Speaker 2>the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich,</v>

01:07:45.200 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 2>yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his</v>

01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:53.520
<v Speaker 2>poverty might become rich, and in this matter I give my judgment.</v>

01:07:53.520 --> 01:07:56.960
<v Speaker 2>This benefits you, who a year ago started not only to do</v>

01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:00.400
<v Speaker 2>this work, but also to desire to do it, so now finish</v>

01:08:00.560 --> 01:08:04.080
<v Speaker 2>doing it as well, so that your readiness in desiring it may</v>

01:08:04.080 --> 01:08:07.280
<v Speaker 2>be matched by your completing it, out of what you have.</v>

01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:10.800
<v Speaker 2>For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what</v>

01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 2>a person has, not according to what he does not have.</v>

01:08:14.080 --> 01:08:16.800
<v Speaker 2>For I do not mean that others should be eased and you</v>

01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.400
<v Speaker 2>burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the</v>

01:08:20.400 --> 01:08:24.640
<v Speaker 2>present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply</v>

01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:27.120
<v Speaker 2>your need, and there may be fairness.</v>

01:08:27.120 --> 01:08:31.440
<v Speaker 2>As it is written, whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and</v>

01:08:31.440 --> 01:08:34.560
<v Speaker 2>whoever gathered little had no lack.</v>

01:08:35.440 --> 01:08:38.800
<v Speaker 2>And so here we see as many other places in Scripture as</v>

01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:43.280
<v Speaker 2>well God has a concern for the poor.</v>

01:08:43.280 --> 01:08:46.560
<v Speaker 2>And part of the tithe, part of the purpose of the tithe,</v>

01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:49.120
<v Speaker 2>is to aid the poor, as well mentioned.</v>

01:08:49.120 --> 01:08:52.000
<v Speaker 2>When you have abundance, you aid others.</v>

01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:56.640
<v Speaker 2>When you have poverty, others are supposed to aid you.</v>

01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Now we don't just aid others because well we may need it</v>

01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:01.680
<v Speaker 2>in the future.</v>

01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:05.680
<v Speaker 2>We of course cannot escape thinking that, and it's not entirely wrong,</v>

01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.000
<v Speaker 2>but it's not the reason we do it.</v>

01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:12.480
<v Speaker 2>We aid others in thanks for what God has given us because</v>

01:09:12.480 --> 01:09:15.200
<v Speaker 2>He has given us the ability to do that.</v>

01:09:15.200 --> 01:09:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, in turn we hope that if we should fall into poverty</v>

01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:24.240
<v Speaker 2>or some sort of need, we hope that others will help us.</v>

01:09:24.240 --> 01:09:27.680
<v Speaker 2>The old saying comes to mind, there but for the grace of</v>

01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:28.960
<v Speaker 2>God go I.</v>

01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.840
<v Speaker 2>And of course flowing from that recognition is supposed to be the</v>

01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:36.560
<v Speaker 2>desire to help others, to cheerfully give to others, to relieve their</v>

01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:41.360
<v Speaker 2>need and their suffering as we are able.</v>

01:09:41.360 --> 01:09:45.760
<v Speaker 2>But again, this is not meant to be a burden.</v>

01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:50.960
<v Speaker 2>It is not meant as something where you destroy your financial stability</v>

01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:55.280
<v Speaker 2>in order to help others, as it is very clear here in</v>

01:09:55.280 --> 01:10:00.080
<v Speaker 2>Scripture, so that their abundance may supply your need, just as your</v>

01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.320
<v Speaker 2>abundance at the present time should supply their need.</v>

01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Those who have abundance aid those who have need.</v>

01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.560
<v Speaker 2>That is how this is supposed to work.</v>

01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.520
<v Speaker 2>That's how everything is supposed to work.</v>

01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:18.160
<v Speaker 2>If you had a truly and fully Christian society, many of these</v>

01:10:18.160 --> 01:10:21.200
<v Speaker 2>issues would not need to be discussed.</v>

01:10:21.200 --> 01:10:25.760
<v Speaker 2>You would not have the abjectly poor, because you'd have a godly</v>

01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:28.880
<v Speaker 2>prince who would provide for them, who would raise them up out</v>

01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:34.800
<v Speaker 2>of poverty, give them gainful employment, housing, shelter, food, all of these</v>

01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:40.240
<v Speaker 2>things. In a truly Christian society, these are not issues we would</v>

01:10:40.240 --> 01:10:44.000
<v Speaker 2>even have to discuss, because they would be addressed.</v>

01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:48.560
<v Speaker 2>They would simply be a part of the way that we live.</v>

01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:51.760
<v Speaker 2>At present, we do not live in such a society.</v>

01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:55.040
<v Speaker 2>And so what we need to do is to care for those</v>

01:10:55.040 --> 01:10:59.600
<v Speaker 2>God has placed into our lives with what God has given us.</v>

01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:04.800
<v Speaker 2>And fundamentally that means understanding those concentric circles of duty.</v>

01:11:05.200 --> 01:11:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Your prime duty is to your family, then your extended family, then</v>

01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:14.400
<v Speaker 2>your tribe including your neighbors, your nation, expanding outward.</v>

01:11:14.400 --> 01:11:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Again, you are not supposed to give in such a way that</v>

01:11:19.120 --> 01:11:20.960
<v Speaker 2>you and yours become burdened.</v>

01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:25.280
<v Speaker 2>For instance, if you were to give away all of your possessions,</v>

01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:32.640
<v Speaker 2>sell everything, and donate it That would not be wise stewardship,</v>

01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:37.120
<v Speaker 2>because you would be reducing your family to poverty, and then you</v>

01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:42.240
<v Speaker 2>would be reliant on the very charity you were supposedly just exercising.</v>

01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:45.200
<v Speaker 2>You haven't necessarily even made matters better.</v>

01:11:45.200 --> 01:11:49.360
<v Speaker 2>You've just made another person who needs to be supported.</v>

01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Part of this, and an inescapable part of this, as Woe mentioned</v>

01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:55.680
<v Speaker 2>in his introduction, is wisdom.</v>

01:11:55.680 --> 01:12:00.480
<v Speaker 2>You cannot escape having to think through these matters.</v>

01:12:00.480 --> 01:12:04.320
<v Speaker 2>We cannot just hand you a set of here are five rules,</v>

01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:06.880
<v Speaker 2>follow these and you will always be doing what is right.</v>

01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:08.800
<v Speaker 2>It's not that simple.</v>

01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Because you know what God has given you.</v>

01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:16.480
<v Speaker 2>You should know what your neighbor needs, what your congregation needs, what</v>

01:12:16.480 --> 01:12:19.600
<v Speaker 2>your community needs, what you are able to do.</v>

01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:24.720
<v Speaker 2>All of these things are considerations that play into a wise decision</v>

01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:29.680
<v Speaker 2>as to how you spend the resources that God has given you.</v>

01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.520
<v Speaker 2>And part of being a Christian, and particularly a Christian man, is</v>

01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:39.520
<v Speaker 2>thinking through these matters, so that you come to a Christian conclusion.</v>

01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:42.400
<v Speaker 2>There are matters, many of them, and we've gone over them in</v>

01:12:42.400 --> 01:12:47.680
<v Speaker 2>previous episodes, where you cannot avoid having to think about it.</v>

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.760
<v Speaker 2>There are things left to human wisdom, and this is most certainly</v>

01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:52.320
<v Speaker 2>one of</v>

01:12:52.320 --> 01:12:52.960
them.

01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Corey read two different portions of 2nd Corinthians 8 and 9 there.</v>

01:12:59.120 --> 01:13:01.760
<v Speaker 3>And I'd like to encourage everyone at some point after you listen</v>

01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:05.440
<v Speaker 3>to this episode, open up to 2 Corinthians 8 and read all</v>

01:13:05.440 --> 01:13:08.240
<v Speaker 3>the way through the end of the book, because there's a lot</v>

01:13:08.240 --> 01:13:10.720
<v Speaker 3>more that's said about this general subject.</v>

01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.200
<v Speaker 3>And there's also some things that are said in 1 Corinthians as</v>

01:13:13.200 --> 01:13:15.040
<v Speaker 3>well that are related to it.</v>

01:13:15.040 --> 01:13:21.120
<v Speaker 3>And that goes to what is your local congregation doing with your</v>

01:13:21.120 --> 01:13:25.120
<v Speaker 3>tithe? Because as we've alluded to early in the episode and in</v>

01:13:25.120 --> 01:13:28.560
<v Speaker 3>other episodes, that's an important part of this.</v>

01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.960
<v Speaker 3>You are not simply throwing money over the transom and just assuming</v>

01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:34.800
<v Speaker 3>that God is going to catch it.</v>

01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.560
<v Speaker 3>God doesn't have a mailing address.</v>

01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.240
<v Speaker 3>There's nowhere, as Corey said, you can't mail God a check.</v>

01:13:40.240 --> 01:13:44.320
<v Speaker 3>So it's always going to be men doing things in the world</v>

01:13:44.320 --> 01:13:46.000
<v Speaker 3>with our material possessions.</v>

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:47.840
<v Speaker 3>That's how it works.</v>

01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:52.640
<v Speaker 3>As a result, part of good stewardship is not simply giving, but</v>

01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:56.320
<v Speaker 3>in making sure that those things are being spent wisely.</v>

01:13:56.320 --> 01:14:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Now, this isn't intended to be a source of paranoia or</v>

01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:06.320
<v Speaker 3>zealously guarding in a negative sense what is being done with every</v>

01:14:06.320 --> 01:14:07.600
<v Speaker 3>last penny.</v>

01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Because there's a right way and a wrong way to do that</v>

01:14:10.240 --> 01:14:11.040
<v Speaker 3>sort of thing.</v>

01:14:11.040 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 3>We've all seen this.</v>

01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Like it's there's some times where somebody, frankly, they will give something</v>

01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.240
<v Speaker 3>just so they can attach strings and they show up and you</v>

01:14:20.240 --> 01:14:23.840
<v Speaker 3>almost wish that they would just not participate because they're gonna make</v>

01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:24.720
<v Speaker 3>it harder.</v>

01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:28.800
<v Speaker 3>And whatever they've given is less of an upside than the downside</v>

01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:32.080
<v Speaker 3>of them than them then insisting how it has to be done.</v>

01:14:32.080 --> 01:14:35.520
<v Speaker 3>So when we talk about this next part, I don't want that</v>

01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 3>to be the mentality or the spirit behind it.</v>

01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:43.040
<v Speaker 3>As I said at the beginning in my intro, one of the</v>

01:14:43.040 --> 01:14:47.520
<v Speaker 3>aspects of the wisdom of understanding how and when we are giving</v>

01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:52.240
<v Speaker 3>these sorts of things is the the current state of things isn't</v>

01:14:52.160 --> 01:14:55.520
<v Speaker 3>the way it was certainly 300, 500 years ago.</v>

01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:56.800
<v Speaker 3>That's obvious.</v>

01:14:57.040 --> 01:15:00.240
<v Speaker 3>What's less obvious is how much things change in five years or</v>

01:15:00.240 --> 01:15:04.400
<v Speaker 3>ten years, how much things change maybe in some congregations or in</v>

01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:06.960
<v Speaker 3>some denominations, even in a year or two.</v>

01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.960
<v Speaker 3>And so again, if you were giving in good conscience before it</v>

01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.280
<v Speaker 3>would may have been exactly the right thing to do.</v>

01:15:13.280 --> 01:15:14.400
<v Speaker 3>It's possible.</v>

01:15:14.400 --> 01:15:17.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying it's happened, but in some cases it has happened,</v>

01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:20.960
<v Speaker 3>absolutely. We know of some of them.</v>

01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:23.440
<v Speaker 3>It is possible that the thing that was a good thing for</v>

01:15:23.440 --> 01:15:26.400
<v Speaker 3>you to do with the money that you have, the blessings you</v>

01:15:26.400 --> 01:15:30.480
<v Speaker 3>are given to steward, it may well be that you have to</v>

01:15:30.480 --> 01:15:34.400
<v Speaker 3>change how you interact with them, that you have to give differently.</v>

01:15:34.400 --> 01:15:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Perhaps you have to suspend giving to one place for a while</v>

01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.320
<v Speaker 3>and look for somewhere else to give it.</v>

01:15:40.320 --> 01:15:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Because again, you know, in the example of your kid's allowance, if</v>

01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.280
<v Speaker 3>your kid is messing around with something that's harming them and they're</v>

01:15:47.200 --> 01:15:50.960
<v Speaker 3>using your money to do it, you shut off the spigot.</v>

01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:53.920
<v Speaker 3>That's happening in many of our churches today too.</v>

01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:59.520
<v Speaker 3>There's not a single denomination that does not have severe spiritual problems.</v>

01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.680
<v Speaker 3>That I'm not speaking about the individual congregations.</v>

01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Every congregation has some sort of issues because we're all sinners.</v>

01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:10.000
<v Speaker 3>When sinners show up, you have sinners' problems.</v>

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.720
<v Speaker 3>That's not the same as what we're talking about when we talk</v>

01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:15.760
<v Speaker 3>about some of the problems that the congregational level.</v>

01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:18.480
<v Speaker 3>We did an episode in the end of last year about the</v>

01:16:18.480 --> 01:16:21.040
<v Speaker 3>church and the three different levels of the church.</v>

01:16:21.040 --> 01:16:24.240
<v Speaker 3>There's the Capital C church, which is all believers.</v>

01:16:24.240 --> 01:16:26.480
<v Speaker 3>That's part of what we've been talking about here today.</v>

01:16:26.480 --> 01:16:29.200
<v Speaker 3>And then the third level is the local congregation.</v>

01:16:29.200 --> 01:16:33.920
<v Speaker 3>And then intermediate level, the second level of the churches, these meta</v>

01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:38.080
<v Speaker 3>organizations, these corporations that gather together for the sake of scale.</v>

01:16:38.080 --> 01:16:41.840
<v Speaker 3>And historically there have been a lot of benefits to that sort</v>

01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:42.640
<v Speaker 3>of gathering.</v>

01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:46.160
<v Speaker 3>They're called denominations before the the Reformation.</v>

01:16:46.160 --> 01:16:49.920
<v Speaker 3>You basically had Rome in the East and then the various patriarchates</v>

01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:50.800
<v Speaker 3>in the West.</v>

01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:52.080
<v Speaker 3>And that was kind of it.</v>

01:16:52.080 --> 01:16:57.280
<v Speaker 3>So there were no divisions divisions inside nations like we have now,</v>

01:16:57.280 --> 01:17:01.760
<v Speaker 3>where we have multiple competing denominations really.</v>

01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:06.400
<v Speaker 3>In the situation that we have today, those denominations at second level,</v>

01:17:06.400 --> 01:17:08.160
<v Speaker 3>they're all in dire straits.</v>

01:17:08.400 --> 01:17:13.440
<v Speaker 3>They're all doing things with our money that in many cases is</v>

01:17:13.440 --> 01:17:15.040
<v Speaker 3>actively evil.</v>

01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:17.600
<v Speaker 3>And we've talked about some of those things in the context of</v>

01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:20.960
<v Speaker 3>the LCMS last year in a couple episodes.</v>

01:17:21.360 --> 01:17:24.160
<v Speaker 3>That evil has gotten worse in the LCMS.</v>

01:17:24.160 --> 01:17:27.120
<v Speaker 3>And it's also gotten worse in some of the other denominations.</v>

01:17:27.120 --> 01:17:30.320
<v Speaker 3>So, as Corey mentioned earlier, and I want to say explicitly, one</v>

01:17:30.320 --> 01:17:34.880
<v Speaker 3>of the things that you can do in your local context, either</v>

01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:39.760
<v Speaker 3>as an individual parishioner, as someone who's a leader in your congregation,</v>

01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:44.320
<v Speaker 3>if you are aware that there are issues upstream and your congregation</v>

01:17:44.320 --> 01:17:49.600
<v Speaker 3>is giving money upstream to a district or whatever the equivalent is</v>

01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.280
<v Speaker 3>in your denomination.</v>

01:17:51.280 --> 01:17:57.200
<v Speaker 3>If they're doing bad things, I think that in most cases we</v>

01:17:57.200 --> 01:18:02.080
<v Speaker 3>need to get to the point that we stop just concerning ourselves</v>

01:18:02.080 --> 01:18:03.920
<v Speaker 3>with politics.</v>

01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:06.640
<v Speaker 3>What I mean by that is that there's always a degree of</v>

01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:08.640
<v Speaker 3>church governance upstream from us.</v>

01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:12.160
<v Speaker 3>You should be engaged in your local congregation and then upstream at</v>

01:18:12.160 --> 01:18:16.240
<v Speaker 3>the the higher level, the denominational level, there's also stuff going on.</v>

01:18:16.240 --> 01:18:19.120
<v Speaker 3>And most of the time, most of it's not actually trickling down</v>

01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:23.120
<v Speaker 3>to the local congregation, which is why it's entirely possible for a</v>

01:18:23.120 --> 01:18:28.000
<v Speaker 3>very good, very Christian congregation to be in a denomination that's kind</v>

01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:29.520
<v Speaker 3>of a dumpster fire.</v>

01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:30.960
<v Speaker 3>It does happen.</v>

01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:34.960
<v Speaker 3>What is not sustainable is that that will only be the case</v>

01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:37.520
<v Speaker 3>as long as that pastor is there with those people.</v>

01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:41.360
<v Speaker 3>When the pastor moves on or he retires or he dies, somebody</v>

01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:44.960
<v Speaker 3>new is going to come from the denomination from elsewhere, from outside</v>

01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.480
<v Speaker 3>of the congregation in most cases, and he's going to bring all</v>

01:18:48.480 --> 01:18:51.840
<v Speaker 3>the baggage with him that has been going on behind the scenes.</v>

01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:56.320
<v Speaker 3>So if you become aware that there are problems upstream and you</v>

01:18:56.320 --> 01:19:00.880
<v Speaker 3>look at your local church budget and you are financing those problems,</v>

01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:05.680
<v Speaker 3>don't wait a few years for the next convention to try to</v>

01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:09.440
<v Speaker 3>get other people together to have a sternly worded resolution to condemn</v>

01:19:09.440 --> 01:19:11.040
<v Speaker 3>the blah blah blah.</v>

01:19:11.040 --> 01:19:13.840
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to do the political thing.</v>

01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's the appropriate thing, maybe as a matter of Christian wisdom,</v>

01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:19.760
<v Speaker 3>that is the right approach.</v>

01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:23.360
<v Speaker 3>It is also in the cards for us as Christians, as good</v>

01:19:23.360 --> 01:19:26.320
<v Speaker 3>stewards of the money we are given, to say I will no</v>

01:19:26.320 --> 01:19:30.800
<v Speaker 3>longer transmit my money, my tithe, to people who are doing things</v>

01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.600
<v Speaker 3>outside of this congregation that are harmful.</v>

01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:37.600
<v Speaker 3>And as we've said before, the LCMS is one of the denominations</v>

01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:39.040
<v Speaker 3>that's in that shape.</v>

01:19:39.040 --> 01:19:42.720
<v Speaker 3>At this point, congregations need to be cutting off the funding to</v>

01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:43.600
<v Speaker 3>the synod.</v>

01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:47.520
<v Speaker 3>And that means don't send a dime to district, because the things</v>

01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.880
<v Speaker 3>that they are doing are causing real harm.</v>

01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:52.880
<v Speaker 3>And they're also doing good work.</v>

01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:56.000
<v Speaker 3>That's the problem because you have different programs and some of them</v>

01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.320
<v Speaker 3>are good and some of them are actively evil.</v>

01:19:58.320 --> 01:20:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Some of the things they're doing are actually evil, and they're celebrating</v>

01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:02.960
<v Speaker 3>some of that wickedness.</v>

01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:05.280
<v Speaker 3>And we're not going to get into that today, but the point</v>

01:20:05.280 --> 01:20:07.200
<v Speaker 3>is if you become aware of that.</v>

01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:11.600
<v Speaker 3>You don't need to petition for redress of grievances.</v>

01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:14.160
<v Speaker 3>You can just cut off the funding.</v>

01:20:14.160 --> 01:20:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Stop writing the check.</v>

01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.560
<v Speaker 3>And as an individual, as Corey said, you can earmark and say,</v>

01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.120
<v Speaker 3>I want this to be my funds to be for local use</v>

01:20:21.120 --> 01:20:23.920
<v Speaker 3>only. I don't want it going upstream.</v>

01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:26.960
<v Speaker 3>If as a congregation you come to an agreement that that's the</v>

01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:30.240
<v Speaker 3>best thing spiritually, cut them off.</v>

01:20:30.240 --> 01:20:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Don't spend your tithe on wickedness.</v>

01:20:34.160 --> 01:20:35.360
<v Speaker 3>That's a key part of this.</v>

01:20:35.360 --> 01:20:39.920
<v Speaker 3>See when we look at the biblical examples, there's always a presumption</v>

01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:43.600
<v Speaker 3>that the tithe is going to be spent in a godly fashion.</v>

01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:45.440
<v Speaker 3>That's no longer the case today.</v>

01:20:45.440 --> 01:20:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Whether or not it was in the past, it doesn't matter.</v>

01:20:48.240 --> 01:20:49.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not the case today.</v>

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:54.160
<v Speaker 3>There are many cases where when you give freely of an unbounded</v>

01:20:54.160 --> 01:20:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Christian spirit, it's then taken by men to other places where they</v>

01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:00.880
<v Speaker 3>do actively evil things with it.</v>

01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.840
<v Speaker 3>You have an obligation to cut them off, just as you would</v>

01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.320
<v Speaker 3>cut off your kid who was buying drugs with money you were</v>

01:21:06.320 --> 01:21:07.200
<v Speaker 3>giving them.</v>

01:21:07.200 --> 01:21:10.880
<v Speaker 3>To knowingly participate in that is to do something evil, even if</v>

01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:13.760
<v Speaker 3>it started as a tithe, even if it started as doing a</v>

01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:17.200
<v Speaker 3>good thing, when you send money elsewhere and it's used for evil</v>

01:21:17.360 --> 01:21:21.760
<v Speaker 3>in whatever your context, that is something you have to be concerned</v>

01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:24.720
<v Speaker 3>about. As I said at the beginning, people shouldn't be paranoid about</v>

01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:25.200
<v Speaker 3>this every day.</v>

01:21:25.200 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to like be checking whatever newsletter to try to</v>

01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.960
<v Speaker 3>find some reason to cut them off.</v>

01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:33.360
<v Speaker 3>That's not the spirit that we're talking about.</v>

01:21:33.360 --> 01:21:38.160
<v Speaker 3>When you become aware of things and it violates your conscience, cease</v>

01:21:38.160 --> 01:21:39.760
<v Speaker 3>to participate.</v>

01:21:40.080 --> 01:21:44.960
<v Speaker 3>One of the other things that we're dealing with in current year</v>

01:21:45.120 --> 01:21:49.360
<v Speaker 3>in as Christians is that there are many places where churches are</v>

01:21:49.360 --> 01:21:53.600
<v Speaker 3>slowly dying through attrition, mostly because no one was having kids or</v>

01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:55.760
<v Speaker 3>the few kids they did have moved away.</v>

01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:58.720
<v Speaker 3>And so it's a sea of gray hair and there are you</v>

01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.280
<v Speaker 3>know two or three people left on a Sunday and then obviously</v>

01:22:01.360 --> 01:22:03.760
<v Speaker 3>when the pastor goes there's never gonna be another pastor, they're just</v>

01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:05.280
<v Speaker 3>gonna shudder.</v>

01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:08.240
<v Speaker 3>There are discussions for other days about how to prevent things from</v>

01:22:08.240 --> 01:22:13.200
<v Speaker 3>getting to that state, but it's also important for us to understand</v>

01:22:13.200 --> 01:22:13.520
<v Speaker 3>that</v>

01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 3>just because the specific circumstances change where a full-time pastor is no</v>

01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:25.040
<v Speaker 3>longer possible, it's still necessary for us to figure out something that</v>

01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:25.760
<v Speaker 3>we can do.</v>

01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:28.240
<v Speaker 3>And while we're not going to get into the specifics today, I</v>

01:22:28.240 --> 01:22:31.680
<v Speaker 3>want to again highlight the general guidance we're trying to provide today</v>

01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:38.480
<v Speaker 3>is that the wisdom of thinking about these matters is regularly reevaluating</v>

01:22:38.480 --> 01:22:42.800
<v Speaker 3>what we're still doing in the particular context of the local congregation</v>

01:22:43.280 --> 01:22:48.960
<v Speaker 3>and giving to a pastor for his rightful salary, is that although</v>

01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.840
<v Speaker 3>that is what we've been doing for a long time, because that</v>

01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:54.880
<v Speaker 3>is what the Western Church has been able to sustain</v>

01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:00.960
<v Speaker 3>if that sort of paradigm ceases to work, that doesn't mean the</v>

01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:01.840
<v Speaker 3>church ends.</v>

01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.880
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't mean the believers gathering together ends.</v>

01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:05.200
<v Speaker 3>And</v>

01:23:06.080 --> 01:23:09.680
<v Speaker 3>so it's not It's not necessarily the most important thing for us</v>

01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:11.760
<v Speaker 3>to cling to the particular form.</v>

01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:17.040
<v Speaker 3>What is important is we continue to participate as active givers and</v>

01:23:17.040 --> 01:23:21.840
<v Speaker 3>as cheerful participants in whatever is going on in the local gathering</v>

01:23:22.240 --> 01:23:23.760
<v Speaker 3>of believers.</v>

01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:27.280
<v Speaker 3>In 1 Corinthians 9, I want a specific example that where it's</v>

01:23:27.280 --> 01:23:31.120
<v Speaker 3>clearly laid out that it is important for church workers to be</v>

01:23:31.120 --> 01:23:33.520
<v Speaker 3>supported financially.</v>

01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Paul writes Am I not free?</v>

01:23:36.080 --> 01:23:37.360
<v Speaker 3>Am I not an apostle?</v>

01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?</v>

01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?</v>

01:23:42.080 --> 01:23:44.560
<v Speaker 3>If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am</v>

01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the</v>

01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Lord. This is my defence to those who would examine me.</v>

01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Do we not have the right to eat and drink?</v>

01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:55.200
<v Speaker 3>Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,</v>

01:23:55.200 --> 01:23:56.800
<v Speaker 3>as do the other apostles?</v>

01:23:56.800 --> 01:23:59.440
<v Speaker 3>And the brothers of our Lord, and Cephas?</v>

01:23:59.440 --> 01:24:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to</v>

01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.400
<v Speaker 3>refrain from working for a living?</v>

01:24:04.400 --> 01:24:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Who serves as a soldier at his own expense, who plants a</v>

01:24:07.360 --> 01:24:10.400
<v Speaker 3>vineyard without eating any of its fruit, or who tends a flock</v>

01:24:10.400 --> 01:24:12.080
<v Speaker 3>without getting some of the milk?</v>

01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Do I say these things on human authority?</v>

01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Does not the law say the same?</v>

01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:19.360
<v Speaker 3>For it is written in the law of Moses, you shall not</v>

01:24:19.360 --> 01:24:21.840
<v Speaker 3>muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.</v>

01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Is it for oxen that God is concerned?</v>

01:24:24.080 --> 01:24:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Does he not certainly speak for our sake?</v>

01:24:26.400 --> 01:24:30.080
<v Speaker 3>It was written for our sake, because the ploughman should plough in</v>

01:24:30.080 --> 01:24:33.840
<v Speaker 3>hope, and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop.</v>

01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:37.200
<v Speaker 3>If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much</v>

01:24:37.200 --> 01:24:39.600
<v Speaker 3>if we reap material things from you?</v>

01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.120
<v Speaker 3>If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even</v>

01:24:43.120 --> 01:24:43.440
<v Speaker 3>more</v>

01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:48.080
<v Speaker 3>So what Paul is talking about here is that while may the</v>

01:24:48.080 --> 01:24:51.760
<v Speaker 3>other apostles and missionaries who were sent out at the very beginning</v>

01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:55.920
<v Speaker 3>of the church were full time workers, he and Barnabas were actually</v>

01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:58.480
<v Speaker 3>still they saw side hustles.</v>

01:24:58.480 --> 01:25:02.000
<v Speaker 3>They were in some cases funding their own way, at least in</v>

01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.360
<v Speaker 3>part. And so one of the disputes in Corinth was that the</v>

01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:09.200
<v Speaker 3>There were people saying that he wasn't an apostle because he wasn't</v>

01:25:09.120 --> 01:25:12.480
<v Speaker 3>getting paid and he hadn't personally talked to Jesus, you know, apart</v>

01:25:12.480 --> 01:25:14.160
<v Speaker 3>from the road to Damascus.</v>

01:25:14.160 --> 01:25:17.520
<v Speaker 3>So part of this passage in 1 Corinthians 9 was him refuting</v>

01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that, but part of his also laying a claim to</v>

01:25:21.040 --> 01:25:24.800
<v Speaker 3>the right of a f someone who is a full-time church worker</v>

01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:28.000
<v Speaker 3>being able to sustain himself.</v>

01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.680
<v Speaker 3>And this has been the historical norm in the church, but it's</v>

01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:35.040
<v Speaker 3>never been universal continuously.</v>

01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:39.280
<v Speaker 3>There are many places in the early church where it wasn't possible</v>

01:25:39.280 --> 01:25:42.080
<v Speaker 3>for believers even to get together without being killed.</v>

01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:46.000
<v Speaker 3>And so they didn't have full-time shepherds who were being paid.</v>

01:25:46.160 --> 01:25:49.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, they were gathering in catacombs in some cases.</v>

01:25:49.200 --> 01:25:51.680
<v Speaker 3>They were hunted, they were being murdered.</v>

01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:53.760
<v Speaker 3>They didn't necessarily have employees.</v>

01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:58.080
<v Speaker 3>They weren't 1099ing anybody on an annual basis.</v>

01:25:58.080 --> 01:26:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I highlight this because as we're looking at what the tithe looks</v>

01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:06.320
<v Speaker 3>like for us in current year, not in the history of the</v>

01:26:06.320 --> 01:26:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Old Testament or the New Testament or the Church Age, as we</v>

01:26:10.240 --> 01:26:14.080
<v Speaker 3>look at things today, if we get back into a position where</v>

01:26:14.080 --> 01:26:17.520
<v Speaker 3>it becomes more and more difficult for us to have the normal</v>

01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:21.760
<v Speaker 3>things, to have a building, to have a full-time employee, it's still</v>

01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:24.800
<v Speaker 3>necessary for us to tithe somehow.</v>

01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Again, it's not a number.</v>

01:26:26.480 --> 01:26:31.840
<v Speaker 3>It's giving freely as is needed for whatever the immediate purpose is.</v>

01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:35.360
<v Speaker 3>If you're blessed to have a pastor, make sure that you're taking</v>

01:26:35.360 --> 01:26:36.400
<v Speaker 3>care of him.</v>

01:26:36.400 --> 01:26:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was a pastor's kid.</v>

01:26:38.480 --> 01:26:41.200
<v Speaker 3>My dad's salary in ninety-two when he got his first call was</v>

01:26:41.200 --> 01:26:42.640
<v Speaker 3>twenty-two thousand dollars a year.</v>

01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:43.760
<v Speaker 3>It was nothing.</v>

01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:46.560
<v Speaker 3>And it was nothing because the church was trying to destroy him.</v>

01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:49.920
<v Speaker 3>The congregation he had been sent to had already destroyed like the</v>

01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.720
<v Speaker 3>last three pastors, and they were gonna destroy him.</v>

01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:56.320
<v Speaker 3>And then you know, it was that was basically why they existed.</v>

01:26:56.320 --> 01:27:00.080
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes there were really bad situations that occur in the so called</v>

01:27:00.080 --> 01:27:02.960
<v Speaker 3>in the church, you know, that was certainly at the corporate level,</v>

01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:05.840
<v Speaker 3>but that while there were Christians there, there were some evil men</v>

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:11.040
<v Speaker 3>too. It was not just for a man with a family of</v>

01:27:11.040 --> 01:27:15.120
<v Speaker 3>four to be paid $22,000.</v>

01:27:15.120 --> 01:27:16.560
<v Speaker 3>That's what he signed up for.</v>

01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:18.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he signed up to be a church worker.</v>

01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:21.680
<v Speaker 3>He didn't sign up to live in that kind of poverty.</v>

01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:26.240
<v Speaker 3>So I certainly as a first party to having seen the sacrifices</v>

01:27:26.320 --> 01:27:30.000
<v Speaker 3>that pastors make in their lives, I'm not gonna be one to</v>

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.000
<v Speaker 3>say, cut these guys off.</v>

01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.720
<v Speaker 3>If you have a faithful pastor, do whatever you can to take</v>

01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:35.600
<v Speaker 3>care of them.</v>

01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:38.880
<v Speaker 3>If your congregation is no longer in a position where it can</v>

01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:42.800
<v Speaker 3>even afford a faithful pastor, you're not off the hook.</v>

01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Even if the church closes, you're not off the hook.</v>

01:27:45.360 --> 01:27:46.960
<v Speaker 3>We continue to be Christians.</v>

01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:50.080
<v Speaker 3>We continue to be a part of the Capital C church, the</v>

01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:53.040
<v Speaker 3>first level church, even if the other things fall apart.</v>

01:27:53.040 --> 01:27:56.240
<v Speaker 3>And And so there may be a time in the future where</v>

01:27:56.480 --> 01:27:59.840
<v Speaker 3>the idea of tithing is no longer even possible to write a</v>

01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:00.960
<v Speaker 3>check to anybody.</v>

01:28:01.200 --> 01:28:04.800
<v Speaker 3>If they bring along the replacement for the dollar with digital currency,</v>

01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.280
<v Speaker 3>which I think is pretty likely, it may well be that they</v>

01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:11.520
<v Speaker 3>say it's no longer permissible for you to transmit money to Christians</v>

01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:13.520
<v Speaker 3>or to a Christian institution.</v>

01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.600
<v Speaker 3>That's entirely possible.</v>

01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:19.760
<v Speaker 3>So these are potentially questions in our lifetime where the idea of</v>

01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:24.640
<v Speaker 3>tithing and giving and being participants in a local congregation ends up</v>

01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:28.560
<v Speaker 3>looking like and meaning something completely different than it is does today</v>

01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:32.560
<v Speaker 3>or did 10 years ago, let alone 100 or 500 years ago.</v>

01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:34.800
<v Speaker 3>That's why I want everyone to keep your head on a swivel</v>

01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:38.080
<v Speaker 3>and to think about these things as we go on because even</v>

01:28:38.320 --> 01:28:43.760
<v Speaker 3>when the current forms, if they pass away, it doesn't change the</v>

01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:48.000
<v Speaker 3>church. It may change the form for a while, it may mean</v>

01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:51.360
<v Speaker 3>that we end up in a situation where we have less material</v>

01:28:51.360 --> 01:28:52.560
<v Speaker 3>than we have in the past.</v>

01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Which is why I said in Corey read from 2nd Corinthians 8</v>

01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:56.720
<v Speaker 3>and 9.</v>

01:28:56.720 --> 01:29:00.320
<v Speaker 3>That congregation was in dire straits financially.</v>

01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:02.960
<v Speaker 3>We don't know exactly what the details were, but the men he</v>

01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:08.160
<v Speaker 3>was talking to were in real trouble materially, and yet they were</v>

01:29:08.160 --> 01:29:10.880
<v Speaker 3>still giving abundantly and joyfully.</v>

01:29:11.040 --> 01:29:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Have that Christian attitude, and whatever happens in the future, you're going</v>

01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:16.240
<v Speaker 3>to be blessed.</v>

01:29:16.240 --> 01:29:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Who knows what it's going to look like in 10 years?</v>

01:29:18.480 --> 01:29:20.640
<v Speaker 3>I think it's personal, I think it's going to look very different</v>

01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:21.760
<v Speaker 3>than it does today.</v>

01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:26.240
<v Speaker 3>I think that a lot of things that are taking form right</v>

01:29:26.240 --> 01:29:30.080
<v Speaker 3>now are going to be culminated by then.</v>

01:29:30.080 --> 01:29:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of the ways that we're used to gathering</v>

01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:38.000
<v Speaker 3>and conducting our Christian lives and our church lives will be very</v>

01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.000
<v Speaker 3>different in some serious ways.</v>

01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.480
<v Speaker 3>You can make guesses, you can make predictions.</v>

01:29:42.480 --> 01:29:45.600
<v Speaker 3>The point is that when we get to those places, if it</v>

01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:49.760
<v Speaker 3>happens in our lifetime or someone else's, when we're confronted with those</v>

01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:51.600
<v Speaker 3>things, we still have to have the principle.</v>

01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:55.280
<v Speaker 3>You have to have the principle of tithing, of giving cheerfully, of</v>

01:29:55.280 --> 01:30:01.040
<v Speaker 3>continuing to sustain not only the proclamation of the gospel among you,</v>

01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:02.960
<v Speaker 3>but of the care for the poor, of the needy, of the</v>

01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:08.640
<v Speaker 3>sick, making sure that whatever material blessings you have, you're thankful for</v>

01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.440
<v Speaker 3>them and you're sharing them as best you can with others.</v>

01:30:11.440 --> 01:30:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Because that duty isn't tied to a denomination.</v>

01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.240
<v Speaker 3>It's not tied to your salvation, it's tied to the Christian life.</v>

01:30:18.240 --> 01:30:21.360
<v Speaker 3>You're a Christian 168 hours a day.</v>

01:30:21.360 --> 01:30:22.880
<v Speaker 3>So act like it.</v>

01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:23.920
<v Speaker 3>That's not a burden.</v>

01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:25.120
<v Speaker 3>That's a blessing.</v>

01:30:25.120 --> 01:30:27.760
<v Speaker 3>There's so many things in life where I don't know what to</v>

01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:29.120
<v Speaker 3>do. What's next?</v>

01:30:29.120 --> 01:30:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Do I do this or do I do that?</v>

01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Being a Christian and knowing God's general principles for these things and</v>

01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.360
<v Speaker 3>where God gives us wisdom is such a tremendous blessing.</v>

01:30:39.360 --> 01:30:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Because in a lot of cases it takes out the guesswork.</v>

01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Even if there's no clear cut answer, even if it's just okay,</v>

01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing, but I'm gonna pay attention.</v>

01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:52.160
<v Speaker 3>And by paying attention, I know that if things change, I'm still</v>

01:30:52.160 --> 01:30:54.400
<v Speaker 3>gonna be able to act with a clean conscience because I'm paying</v>

01:30:54.400 --> 01:30:56.080
<v Speaker 3>attention. Like sometimes that's it.</v>

01:30:56.080 --> 01:30:57.360
<v Speaker 3>You have to change anything.</v>

01:30:57.680 --> 01:30:59.120
<v Speaker 3>Just be attentive.</v>

01:30:59.120 --> 01:30:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Be awake.</v>

01:30:59.920 --> 01:31:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Be watchful.</v>

01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Be a steward who is managing what you've been given faithfully.</v>

01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:09.040
<v Speaker 3>And whatever situations arise in the future, if our churches crumble and</v>

01:31:09.040 --> 01:31:11.680
<v Speaker 3>fall, if we all get rounded up and we have to have</v>

01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:14.160
<v Speaker 3>these conversations in prison or whatever.</v>

01:31:14.160 --> 01:31:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't change anything.</v>

01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Not as a Christian.</v>

01:31:17.120 --> 01:31:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Our lives might change entirely, but it doesn't change the Christian life.</v>

01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Because the Christian life has the same guidelines, the same principles, because</v>

01:31:27.200 --> 01:31:30.720
<v Speaker 3>we always have the same God and His will doesn't change.</v>

01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Help, be thankful, be generous, and know that everything is from God,</v>

01:31:37.280 --> 01:31:40.880
<v Speaker 3>and whatever we do is God blessing others through us.</v>

01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:42.080
<v Speaker 3>That's it.</v>

01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:45.600
<v Speaker 3>That general principle will work no matter where you are.</v>

01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:47.440
<v Speaker 3>You be the richest man in the world, the poorest man in</v>

01:31:47.440 --> 01:31:51.040
<v Speaker 3>the world, it's still gonna work the same way because that's how</v>

01:31:51.040 --> 01:31:53.600
<v Speaker 3>God has made everything.</v>

01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:54.160
I

01:31:54.160 --> 01:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>mentioned something earlier in the episode that I want to expand a</v>

01:31:58.400 --> 01:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit because</v>

01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.160
<v Speaker 2>there are various considerations in play, and I want to be very</v>

01:32:04.160 --> 01:32:07.120
<v Speaker 2>clear about what we are and are not saying.</v>

01:32:07.120 --> 01:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that you can tithe to those who are not necessarily</v>

01:32:12.400 --> 01:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the congregation, your local congregation itself, and that does include teachers and</v>

01:32:18.400 --> 01:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>other ministries.</v>

01:32:20.160 --> 01:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>So for those who have been giving to whatever it may be,</v>

01:32:25.360 --> 01:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and that includes, quite frankly, I would say this podcast.</v>

01:32:30.240 --> 01:32:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I would say that does count as part of your tithe, because</v>

01:32:34.320 --> 01:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>we are teaching the faith, and so the words of scripture about</v>

01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:43.040
<v Speaker 2>those who teach the faith living from that proclamation of the gospel</v>

01:32:43.440 --> 01:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>is in play here.</v>

01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not burdening your conscience.</v>

01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I am clarifying and how I want to clarify that is explicitly</v>

01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:55.520
<v Speaker 2>this If you have given to this podcast, thank you very much</v>

01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:57.040
<v Speaker 2>for your support.</v>

01:32:57.040 --> 01:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>However, if there are those in your family, in your neighborhood, in</v>

01:33:02.320 --> 01:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>your congregation, your local community, who are in need, give to them</v>

01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:13.760
<v Speaker 2>first. We want to be essentially last on your list.</v>

01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:16.320
<v Speaker 2>If you give to us again, we are very thankful for that</v>

01:33:16.400 --> 01:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>if you buy a challenge coin that supports us, but give to</v>

01:33:20.320 --> 01:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>those in your life for whom you have a particular duty first.</v>

01:33:25.440 --> 01:33:29.920
<v Speaker 2>You do not have a particular duty to us.</v>

01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're a ministry.</v>

01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we are proclaiming the gospel and teaching the faith.</v>

01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:40.080
<v Speaker 2>But your duty as a Christian flows to those nearest to you</v>

01:33:40.080 --> 01:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>first, as we have emphasized so many times in so many episodes,</v>

01:33:45.200 --> 01:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>your duty is to your family, to your neighbors, to your clan,</v>

01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>to your tribe, to your nation.</v>

01:33:52.080 --> 01:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Concentric circles expanding outward.</v>

01:33:55.360 --> 01:33:56.080
<v Speaker 2>four for</v>

01:33:57.040 --> 01:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>some few of you we may very well be in your local</v>

01:34:00.400 --> 01:34:02.560
<v Speaker 2>community, relatively speaking.</v>

01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:05.040
<v Speaker 2>For most of you we're part of your nation, but that's a</v>

01:34:05.040 --> 01:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>fairly large circle among those concentric circles.</v>

01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Give to those who are closer first and foremost.</v>

01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>That is your duty as a Christian.</v>

01:34:17.200 --> 01:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>The reason that we highlighted the fact that you can tithe to</v>

01:34:22.160 --> 01:34:27.200
<v Speaker 2>teachers and other ministries, is one because it is true, and two,</v>

01:34:27.200 --> 01:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>it is one of the ways, under the current set of circumstances,</v>

01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:35.600
<v Speaker 2>in which you can still fulfil that Christian duty to give back,</v>

01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>even if you don't have a faithful local congregation.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately there are many men in that situation and we hear</v>

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<v Speaker 2>from them all the time.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We wish there were more faithful congregations so that you could tithe</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to the congregation, so things could function as they are supposed to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>function. But if you do not have that opportunity, then at least</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you still have the Christian opportunity to fulfill that Christian obligation to</v>

01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>give back because there are faithful ministries, there are still faithful teachers,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>even if they are not necessarily part of your local congregation.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Before we close out this episode with a reading from the Psalter,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to read one more passage from Scripture, and I</v>

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<v Speaker 2>would hope that some of you have had this passage come to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>mind already while we have been discussing the issue of tithing in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so one more reading from the book of Malachi.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For I the Lord do not change, therefore you, O children of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob, are not consumed.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from my</v>

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<v Speaker 2>statutes, and have not kept them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Return to me and I will return to you, says the Lord</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of Hosts.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But you say, How shall we return?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Will man rob God?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yet you are robbing me.</v>

01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:01.280
<v Speaker 2>But you say, How have we robbed you?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In your tithes and contributions, you are cursed with a curse, for</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you are robbing me, the whole nation of you.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food</v>

01:36:12.320 --> 01:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>in my house, and thereby put me to the test, says the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Lord of hosts.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If I will not open the windows of heaven for you and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need,</v>

01:36:24.480 --> 01:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field</v>

01:36:31.360 --> 01:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>shall not fail to bear, says the Lord of hosts.</v>

01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Then all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a</v>

01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:44.240
<v Speaker 2>land of delight, says the Lord of hosts.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God God explicitly tells us to put him to the test with</v>

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<v Speaker 2>regard to the tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I won't even comment on this passage extensively.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I just want you to think about what it means for God</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to explicitly invite us to test Him on something, and how seriously</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we should take that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He does that here with the tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's not something that scripture does frequently, to say the least.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so to close out this episode, I would like to read</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Psalm 116.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I love the Lord because He is heard, my voice and my</v>

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<v Speaker 2>pleas for mercy, because He inclined His ear to me, therefore I</v>

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<v Speaker 2>will call on him as long as I live.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The snares of death encompassed me, the pangs of Sheol laid hold</v>

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<v Speaker 2>on me, I suffered distress and anguish.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Then I called on the name of the Lord.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>O Lord, I pray, deliver my soul.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Gracious is the Lord and righteous, our God is merciful.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The Lord preserves the simple.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>When I was brought low he saved me.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Return, O my soul, to your rest, for the Lord has dealt</v>

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<v Speaker 2>bountifully with you.</v>

01:38:06.160 --> 01:38:10.640
<v Speaker 2>For you have delivered my soul from death, my eyes from tears,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>my feet from stumbling.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I will walk before the Lord in the land of the living.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I believed, even when I spoke, I am greatly afflicted.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I said in my alarm, all mankind are liars.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>What shall I render to the Lord for all his benefits to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>me, I will lift up the cup of salvation and call on</v>

01:38:32.480 --> 01:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the name of the Lord.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I will pay my vows to the Lord in the presence of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>all his people.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his</v>

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<v Speaker 2>saints. O Lord, I am your servant, I am your servant, the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>son of your maidservant, you have loosed my bonds.</v>

01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I will offer to you the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and call on</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the name of the Lord.</v>

01:38:55.120 --> 01:38:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I will pay my vows to the Lord, in the presence of</v>

01:38:58.400 --> 01:39:02.080
<v Speaker 2>all his people, in the courts of the house of the Lord,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in your midst, O Jerusalem.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Praise the Lord.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Amen.</v>