WEBVTT 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:39.600 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:40.480 I am Corey J. 00:00:40.720 --> 00:00:41.840 Mahler. And 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.240 I'm still Wo. 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:49.200 On today's Stone Choir, we are going to be discussing how you 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:55.040 can safely ingest new novel information that flies in the face of 00:00:55.040 --> 00:00:56.640 what you knew yesterday. 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.360 Another way of putting it more simply is what do you do 00:00:59.360 --> 00:01:01.920 with these conspiracy theories? 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:05.520 Last week we talked about one of the biggest conspiracy theories of 00:01:05.520 --> 00:01:06.720 the twentieth century. 00:01:06.720 --> 00:01:09.760 If you don't believe what we said, then that was a completely 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:13.600 insane episode out of left wing and also has to be very 00:01:13.600 --> 00:01:16.000 evil because of the nature of it. 00:01:16.240 --> 00:01:19.760 If it's not a conspiracy theory, if it's actually true, then it 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:21.920 reshapes how you view things. 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:25.200 And one of the reasons we wanted to do this episode today 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:28.960 is that we've done a number of episodes, maybe not quite that 00:01:28.960 --> 00:01:30.160 earth-shattering in the past. 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.360 You know, when we talked about Michael Martin Luther King Jr. 00:01:33.360 --> 00:01:35.840 being a heretic, he was never a Christian a day in his 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:39.360 life. And by the way, the civil rights movement was invented by 00:01:39.360 --> 00:01:41.600 the Soviets to undermine America. 00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:42.800 Those are facts. 00:01:42.800 --> 00:01:45.840 That's like it's it's both a conspiracy theory and a fact. 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:49.920 You have to deal with how do you work through that, especially 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.960 when everything that everyone knows says the opposite of it. 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:55.840 So we wanted to discuss today 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.120 What is important for us as individuals as we're taking in new 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:06.480 information? Because every day in the world there's a new fad diet, 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:10.960 there's some new scientific discovery that upends everything we knew. 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.240 There's some political or historical revelation. 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:16.320 And they all have the effect of 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:19.200 unmooring us from reality. 00:02:19.200 --> 00:02:22.800 Where we basically feel like I can't trust anything. 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:27.840 And ironically, that's sort of one of the things that's undergirding a 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:29.520 lot of the episodes of Stone Choir. 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.400 We're going back and looking at things and saying, well, they were 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.960 saying this for, you know, the last hundred years or two hundred 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.080 years, but if you look before that, they were saying the opposite. 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.320 So one of them is a lie. 00:02:40.320 --> 00:02:43.600 So although we do a lot of episodes that are kind of 00:02:43.600 --> 00:02:47.680 destabilizing in terms of what I thought I knew turned out not 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:48.880 to be true. 00:02:48.880 --> 00:02:53.840 We don't want people to feel completely unmoored from reality. 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:58.800 It's we try to interleave the the really serious stuff with episodes 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:03.680 that don't hammer you as hard because frankly the very fact that 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:08.880 the news cycle is dominated by this sort of disruption psychologically is 00:03:08.880 --> 00:03:11.120 itself psychological warfare. 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.400 It's effectively a low grade form of torture which will Which we'll 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.320 be getting to towards the end of this episode. 00:03:16.320 --> 00:03:18.080 Uh this episode's not gonna be real long. 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.960 Uh we had originally planned on doing bot and offer this week, 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.280 but as Corey and I were getting into the research for that, 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.640 we realized that it's gonna take more research because there's just there's 00:03:26.640 --> 00:03:29.520 both so much wrong with the things that he said, and there's 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:31.840 a degree of subtlety to the way he hit a lot of 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.200 it that we want to make sure we get that one right. 00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:41.360 Simultaneously, we are both tuning in to the Missouri Synods Triennial Convention 00:03:41.600 --> 00:03:44.160 that began on Sunday, so we're a little bit disrupted. 00:03:44.160 --> 00:03:46.960 So this episode is not going to be a real long one. 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.120 We're not going to do another three-hour marathon. 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:51.680 We just want to talk about what do you do when someone 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.720 comes along and says something like last week's episode? 00:03:54.720 --> 00:04:00.560 Because some people break, some people ingest this new information and it 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.000 kind of shatters them. 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.880 They, you know, it's it's called red pilling in a lot of 00:04:04.880 --> 00:04:06.800 cases, you know what that means. 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.800 Some people turn that into their identity, and suddenly whatever is red 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:13.520 pilled is the new thing and the only thing, and they will 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.600 then only believe things that are both consonant with this new red-pilled 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.000 information and they don't want to know anything else. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.560 And that's also insane. 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:27.200 Like, as Christians and as honest men, our fundamental pursuit should be 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:28.960 what is true? 00:04:28.960 --> 00:04:30.160 What is truth? 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.520 And that the challenge of all these things that are told as 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:36.960 lies publicly and things that are confusing, where they mix lies with 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:41.120 truth, is that if you are able to filter through that and 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.960 realize some people are lying, some people are mistaken, and some people 00:04:44.960 --> 00:04:46.080 are telling the truth. 00:04:46.080 --> 00:04:49.040 And there's an intermixture of those, and there are reasons for each 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:49.920 of those. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.800 If you're not doing a really good job as an individual of 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:58.320 just filtering your own inputs, you're going to absorb information that's false, 00:04:58.320 --> 00:05:01.120 you're going to believe things that are untrue. 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.840 Or you're going to have some mixture of truth and untruth. 00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:05.200 It may drive you crazy. 00:05:05.440 --> 00:05:08.480 As we said, like there are guys who believe the things that 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.440 we said last week which are true, but then that becomes all 00:05:11.440 --> 00:05:12.720 that they can think about. 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:14.640 And that's part of the reason we saved it. 00:05:14.640 --> 00:05:18.080 Like we're we're well over a year into doing Stone Choir episodes. 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.280 We always knew that we wanted to tackle the Holocaust, but we 00:05:21.280 --> 00:05:23.760 didn't jump into it right away because first of all, everyone to 00:05:23.760 --> 00:05:27.120 think that this was like the Holocaust podcast, which is not. 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:32.080 This is fundamentally a podcast about religion and Christianity in truth, but 00:05:32.080 --> 00:05:34.080 as Christians, that's every day. 00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:35.280 That's twenty four hours a day. 00:05:35.280 --> 00:05:36.640 It's not just on Saturday. 00:05:36.640 --> 00:05:39.600 And so there's other other things that we all deal with in 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:44.400 our lives that also need to be consonant with our Christian faith. 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:51.440 And rejecting lies and embracing truth and balancing our focus 00:05:51.440 --> 00:05:55.440 in our daily lives is a key part of that because you 00:05:55.440 --> 00:05:58.320 can spend your time listening to podcasts and thinking about stuff and 00:05:58.320 --> 00:06:00.400 studying, but you also have duties. 00:06:00.400 --> 00:06:02.480 God gives you other things to do. 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:06.240 Now, maybe you're blessed that your duty, your vocation in life is 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:07.760 to focus on that stuff. 00:06:07.760 --> 00:06:09.280 For most people, that's not the case. 00:06:09.280 --> 00:06:13.120 You have a job, maybe it's tedious, maybe it's really important, maybe 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.720 it's both, but you have to provide for your family and you 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:17.760 have to do other things. 00:06:17.760 --> 00:06:22.560 You can't get bogged down in tedious details that don't seem immediate 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:23.760 or relevant. 00:06:23.760 --> 00:06:26.880 So we have the luxury on a podcast of being able to 00:06:26.880 --> 00:06:30.720 talk tackle some of those subjects like one of the early episodes 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.920 we did was on the neglected matters in scripture. 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.880 We'll do a kind of an ongoing series of those things where 00:06:36.880 --> 00:06:39.760 we specifically made the point in that episode we're not We're not 00:06:39.760 --> 00:06:41.920 saying this is the meat of the Christian life. 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:45.120 We are saying these are a few doctrines that are in scripture 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:46.960 and nobody really talks about them. 00:06:46.960 --> 00:06:49.600 Or when they do talk about them, it's just kind of way 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.040 off in the distance. 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.040 And all scripture is breathed out by God and is useful for 00:06:55.200 --> 00:06:58.320 rebuke and reproof and correction of error. 00:06:58.320 --> 00:07:02.960 And when we start throwing things away or deleting things or minimizing 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:04.640 them, we get into trouble. 00:07:04.640 --> 00:07:07.600 And so when we talk about scripture explicitly, we want to go 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.640 back and look at some of the things that modern Christians don't 00:07:10.640 --> 00:07:12.400 really take seriously. 00:07:12.400 --> 00:07:15.600 And as we're looking elsewhere in life, we have these things like 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.160 today we're going to be s discussing in some detail just to 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.160 give you a preview Uh the moon landing, uh the you know, 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:23.680 space race in general. 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.760 Uh we're gonna be talking a bit about flat Earth. 00:07:25.840 --> 00:07:29.040 We'll be talking briefly maybe about nukes, whether or not they're true. 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.440 Basically kind of going down the list of the things that Owen 00:07:31.440 --> 00:07:37.440 Benjamin has been inserting into the the Zeitgeist because those are pernicious 00:07:37.440 --> 00:07:40.800 lies that are really driving people insane. 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:44.080 So they get lumped in with things like last week's episode. 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:46.400 And that's one of the reasons we want to tackle this next 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:46.800 was that 00:07:48.400 --> 00:07:52.560 it's important as we are listening to things not to too quickly 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.520 jump onto things that are brand new but to weigh them to 00:07:55.520 --> 00:07:59.680 to evaluate them based on reason and on what we can understand. 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.480 And so as we go through some of the details of some 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:06.080 of these things that are lies that are being produced today, we're 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.920 going to contrast them with some of the other things that are 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:12.560 true that we've talked about in the past to illustrate how superficially, 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:16.560 it may seem like the moon landing and what happened in the 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:19.760 forties in Germany are on the same level, but when you look 00:08:19.760 --> 00:08:22.880 at the details of the fact, they go in a completely opposite 00:08:22.880 --> 00:08:26.800 direction in terms of veracity and verifiability. 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.360 So as we work through this, we're not g this isn't gonna 00:08:29.280 --> 00:08:32.400 be a debunking episode, it's just gonna give some examples of how 00:08:32.560 --> 00:08:36.640 as we talk about these subjects, or as you hear about them, 00:08:36.640 --> 00:08:39.520 it's okay just to set it aside and not pay attention. 00:08:39.520 --> 00:08:42.000 If you don't want to hear it, that's completely fine. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:45.680 Somebody starts raving about whether it's the Holocaust or the Moonlanding or 00:08:45.680 --> 00:08:47.840 whatever, it's fine to tune out. 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:51.920 What's not okay is to say those people are all crazy, I 00:08:51.920 --> 00:08:53.440 don't believe any of it. 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:57.040 Because if you want to engage in the veracity of the subject, 00:08:57.040 --> 00:08:59.520 you have to actually engage in the facts. 00:08:59.520 --> 00:09:02.880 You can't just say, They're nuts, I don't believe them, because one 00:09:02.880 --> 00:09:06.880 of the things that all these things collectively do is convince us 00:09:06.880 --> 00:09:09.360 that anyone who talks about any of these things are crazy. 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.520 That's why a lot of these things end up in the same 00:09:11.520 --> 00:09:14.720 bucket. You have people believing completely insane things. 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.200 Like the the gimmick from a few years ago, the birds aren't 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:20.080 real. There's some guys like it was it was a it was 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.400 an open prank that some people then sort of turned into either 00:09:24.400 --> 00:09:27.680 just a personality or they wanted to believe it because hey, it's 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.600 one more revisionist part of history. 00:09:29.760 --> 00:09:32.400 And so we want to try to equip you today to just 00:09:32.400 --> 00:09:35.680 filter out with a few simple heuristics. 00:09:35.680 --> 00:09:39.120 Am I being deceived here or am I learning something new and 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.040 what do I do with it once I learn 00:09:41.040 --> 00:09:42.400 it? So 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:48.480 one of the conspiracy theories that really crops up constantly in the 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:53.200 US context and abroad as well, there are actually some countries where 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:58.240 an even higher percentage of the population would say they don't believe 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:01.680 in this, and that is whether or not the moon landings actually 00:10:01.680 --> 00:10:02.800 took place. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.360 There are a lot of reasons that are given, none of them 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.600 are good, but there are a lot of reasons that are given 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:14.000 by people why they do not believe that the moon landings took 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:20.240 place. Now part of this, of course, is because of all the 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.080 other things that we are subjected to in our daily lives, we're 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.160 bombarded with lies. 00:10:26.160 --> 00:10:32.240 We have lies about the COVID vaccines, vaccines, and quotation marks here. 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:36.320 We have lies about what happened with the pandemic, we have lies 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:40.160 about so very many things. 00:10:40.160 --> 00:10:43.840 So people will go back and say Well when did they start 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:45.120 lying to me? 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:49.520 And so if they started lying to me about the world wars, 00:10:49.520 --> 00:10:52.640 well why would I believe them about the moon landing? 00:10:52.640 --> 00:10:57.200 But as Wo said in the introduction, the moon landing is a 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.680 very different thing. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:04.320 Not only because it is just a very different thing from a 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.520 war or something like that, yes, it takes place in the Cold 00:11:07.520 --> 00:11:11.200 War context, but it's not itself a war. 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.480 It is demonstrable that man landed on the moon. 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:21.280 Unlike some of the historical claims, where as soon as you subject 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:25.760 them to any sort of serious analysis or critique, any sort of 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.720 criticism, they fall apart. 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.120 If you look at the claims around World War II and you 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:36.400 actually subject them to scientific analysis, they immediately collapse. 00:11:36.400 --> 00:11:39.440 The opposite is actually true with the moon landing. 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:40.240 If you subject 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.040 the moon landing, and we have a wealth of information, we'll get 00:11:45.040 --> 00:11:48.880 into there are those who say they destroyed records, they didn't destroy 00:11:48.880 --> 00:11:52.560 the records, they recycled the tapes and for those who don't understand 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:54.560 technology, that may not make sense. 00:11:54.560 --> 00:11:57.840 We'll get into that though and explain why that is what you 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:03.600 do. But if you actually subject the moon landing claims using the 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:07.760 evidence on hand and there is still evidence today that you can 00:12:07.760 --> 00:12:11.280 use, it's very obvious it did take place. 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:12.960 We did land on the moon. 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.600 And one of the best examples, we won't bury the lead, we'll 00:12:15.520 --> 00:12:20.000 just start with one of the best ones, we left retroreflectors on 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:21.840 the moon. 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:26.880 Now, in case you don't know what a retroreflector is, a retroreflector 00:12:26.880 --> 00:12:30.320 is essentially a very specialized mirror. 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:34.160 If you go into your bathroom and shine a flashlight in the 00:12:34.160 --> 00:12:39.360 mirror, you know that it will reflect basically at an angle opposite 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.920 the angle at which you shine the light into the mirror, which 00:12:41.920 --> 00:12:44.640 is to say it will bounce off at a different angle unless 00:12:44.640 --> 00:12:45.040 you are 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.960 directly in line with the mirror, in which case you'll blind yourself, 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:50.880 so maybe don't do that. 00:12:50.880 --> 00:12:54.720 But the reason for that there's some physics we don't really need 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.800 to get into, but a regular mirror is basically just the one 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:01.920 pane. It reflects at an angle 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:07.040 relative to the angle at which the light is hitting the surface. 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:11.680 A retro reflector is designed not to do that for a very 00:13:11.680 --> 00:13:13.680 specific reason. 00:13:13.680 --> 00:13:19.600 A retro reflector is designed so that over a wide angle it 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.520 will reflect light received 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.240 back at the sender. 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.320 Now this is useful for many reasons. 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.640 You actually probably own a retroreflector somewhere in your house. 00:13:32.640 --> 00:13:36.480 If you own a bicycle, you probably have a retroreflector. 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.000 Those are used as the reflectors on bikes, and the reason for 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.000 that is very obvious. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.840 If you have someone who is driving up behind you, you want 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.760 the light from the headlights on that vehicle to reflect back at 00:13:49.760 --> 00:13:52.080 that vehicle so you're visible. 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.440 If you put a standard mirror, they would just reflect off at 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:59.840 some wild angle, unless the light source happened to be directly in 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:01.920 line with the mirror. 00:14:01.920 --> 00:14:05.280 Well, we left retroreflectors on the moon. 00:14:05.280 --> 00:14:08.400 The reason we did that wasn't to prove we went to the 00:14:08.400 --> 00:14:14.560 moon, because those who were actually designing that mission and the hardware 00:14:14.560 --> 00:14:18.240 and placing them weren't thinking about crazy people coming along later and 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.640 saying this never took place. 00:14:20.640 --> 00:14:23.840 Rather they wanted to be able to bounce a laser off of 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.640 it and receive it back, obviously. 00:14:27.040 --> 00:14:30.800 Same device that sent the laser out, so that you can tell 00:14:30.800 --> 00:14:33.360 how far the moon is from the Earth. 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:38.720 Because now we can get extremely accurate readings of the distance from 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:40.800 the Earth to the Moon. 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:44.480 However, this is a retro reflector. 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:49.280 It's just sitting on the lunar surface with maybe a thousand dollars 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:53.520 worth of hardware you could go in your backyard and prove that 00:14:53.520 --> 00:14:55.040 man went to the moon. 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.480 Not only that, you can prove, if you know a little bit 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:02.320 of math, exactly how far it is from where you are standing 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:06.560 on the Earth to where that retroreflector is sitting on the moon. 00:15:06.560 --> 00:15:11.680 That's absolute concrete proof that man went to the moon. 00:15:11.680 --> 00:15:14.480 God didn't place a retroreflector on the moon and wait for us 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:15.520 to discover it. 00:15:15.520 --> 00:15:18.720 We built that on Earth and took it to the moon and 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:19.840 placed it there. 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:20.480 One 00:15:20.560 --> 00:15:25.760 of the things when people attack the idea that we went to 00:15:25.760 --> 00:15:29.760 the moon, which is almost a separate question from the fact, and 00:15:29.760 --> 00:15:33.680 that's one of the goals, is to say they don't simply want 00:15:33.680 --> 00:15:35.280 to deny that we did. 00:15:35.280 --> 00:15:39.040 They want to deny that it's even conceivably possible the humans could, 00:15:39.040 --> 00:15:41.840 which is immediately where the conversation goes. 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.520 It's not simply we didn't do it, it's impossible for us to 00:15:45.520 --> 00:15:48.400 have done that, which is is another part of this conversation. 00:15:48.400 --> 00:15:51.040 But it's important to acknowledge that there are two things going on 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:55.120 simultaneously, and that's frequently the case with these things. 00:15:55.600 --> 00:16:02.080 the way that people attack these subjects is the opposite of the 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:03.920 way that we attacked the subject last week. 00:16:03.920 --> 00:16:08.080 So we're gonna I'm gonna give a couple examples by contrast. 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.440 As I mentioned, Owen Benjamin is one of the chief I'll say 00:16:11.680 --> 00:16:15.600 architects, but like he's he's one of the chief ringleaders of the 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.760 current idea that it didn't happen. 00:16:17.760 --> 00:16:19.360 He's certainly not the first. 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:20.400 He's a very smart guy. 00:16:20.400 --> 00:16:21.200 He's very intelligent. 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.120 He probably has a genius level IQ. 00:16:23.520 --> 00:16:25.680 he's also a comedian. 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:32.560 He is he spent his life getting punchlines and when you deliver 00:16:32.560 --> 00:16:36.560 a punchline and you get people to laugh, there's a short circuiting 00:16:36.560 --> 00:16:41.040 effect that occurs where you present your joke, you present the body 00:16:41.040 --> 00:16:44.400 of what it is you're doing, and then you land the punch, 00:16:44.400 --> 00:16:47.760 and the immediate response is for people to reel and laugh and 00:16:47.760 --> 00:16:50.640 like, oh, and then they go off and it goes on. 00:16:50.640 --> 00:16:53.520 You know, the joke is over, the whole story's over. 00:16:53.520 --> 00:16:58.640 The laughter is the acknowledgement that it's done and there's no rational 00:16:58.640 --> 00:17:01.440 processing of what came before it. 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.640 And that's a crucial part of the arguments that are used by 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.520 these people saying that it didn't happen. 00:17:07.520 --> 00:17:12.240 One of the chief examples that they will give is to say 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:16.320 when Apollo eleven was on the moon, they had a phone call 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:18.160 with Richard Nixon. 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.600 And the comedians will say, I can't even make a phone call 00:17:21.600 --> 00:17:24.000 work well from my car on the highway. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:28.480 And so if in 2023 you can't get a cell phone with 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.360 all this modern technology to connect a call. 00:17:31.360 --> 00:17:34.560 How could Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty nine with a tin can 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:39.040 have a phone call with astronauts a quarter million miles away? 00:17:39.040 --> 00:17:39.680 Well 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.000 that's a punchline. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:43.120 That's a cheap shot. 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:46.160 It's the easiest, stupidest question to ask. 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:48.720 And if someone has no knowledge of anything, like, oh yeah, well, 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:49.280 that makes sense. 00:17:49.280 --> 00:17:51.360 I I use a cell phone every day and it I hate 00:17:51.360 --> 00:17:52.080 it. It's terrible. 00:17:52.080 --> 00:17:52.960 It doesn't work. 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.040 You know, it's it's comedian level 00:17:57.600 --> 00:17:59.680 rationality. I don't even know what to call it. 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:01.760 It's just it's garbage. 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:05.200 You can go and listen to the so-called phone call that they 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.360 had. It was clearly scripted. 00:18:07.360 --> 00:18:08.240 It was timed, it 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:09.760 was 00:18:11.280 --> 00:18:14.560 it was an even more laggy version of what Corey and I 00:18:14.560 --> 00:18:16.160 do when we're doing this podcast. 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:17.440 This isn't really a conversation. 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:18.640 We're not in the same place. 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.440 We take turns talking 'cause there's enough lag that we don't want 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:22.560 to interrupt each other. 00:18:22.560 --> 00:18:25.520 In the cases where we do where we do try to interact 00:18:25.520 --> 00:18:28.400 live, usually there's some stumbling over each other. 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:29.760 They were careful to avoid that. 00:18:29.760 --> 00:18:32.240 So if you actually go listen, I we'll we'll put in the 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:37.680 show notes the actual conversation that the astronauts and President Nixon had 00:18:37.840 --> 00:18:40.560 in nineteen sixty nine. 00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:43.280 Just listen to how it goes. 00:18:43.280 --> 00:18:45.680 Because the comedian will tell you, oh, they had a phone call. 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.040 If you listen to it, A, these were 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:57.840 incredibly powerful, incredibly sophisticated radios with directional antennae, carefully 00:18:57.840 --> 00:19:00.880 tuned in a program that today is worth I think like a 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:02.960 hundred and seventy five billion dollars. 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.560 This is not your cell phone. 00:19:04.560 --> 00:19:08.640 We're talking about the very best communications technology that was possible in 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.640 nineteen sixty nine with no wattage limit, which is a big deal. 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.160 Your cell phone would always have connectivity if it had a hundred 00:19:16.320 --> 00:19:17.440 watts of output. 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:18.160 It doesn't. 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.160 That's one of the key differences. 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.320 But all you have to know is that when you listen to 00:19:22.320 --> 00:19:24.400 Nixon and the astronauts talking. 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:25.920 They're not talking. 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.120 Nixon gives us a speech that's like a minute long, and then 00:19:29.120 --> 00:19:33.040 the astronauts give a canned response that's like twenty seconds long or 00:19:33.040 --> 00:19:34.960 something. It wasn't a conversation. 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.480 They each gave brief statements and they took turns doing it. 00:19:38.800 --> 00:19:40.560 That's not a phone call. 00:19:40.560 --> 00:19:40.880 So 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.480 even by itself, just that one thing, ha ha, it's a phone 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:46.320 call. That doesn't work on in the on the moon. 00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:48.400 It doesn't work in my neighborhood. 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.640 That's the level of argumentation that you get from people who are 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:58.080 denying what is easily the most well-documented event in all of human 00:19:58.080 --> 00:20:00.960 history. I don't say that with any exaggeration. 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.960 The amount of documentation that went into into the entire process of 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:09.280 the Apollo program, including the launches and the return of those vehicles, 00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:17.120 it's indescribable how much data they had, radios, telemetry, just unfathomable amounts. 00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:20.560 And unfortunately, you know, the we just passed the fiftieth anniversary of 00:20:20.560 --> 00:20:23.280 the moon landing and then this was back in the news a 00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:26.720 couple of weeks ago because we just passed January twentieth of this 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.520 pat of this year, which was of course the day that we 00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:34.480 landed on the moon in nineteen sixty-nine. 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.000 There was a website that was set up for nineteen for twenty 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:39.840 nineteen for the fiftieth anniversary. 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:41.280 Unfortunately it's defunct now. 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.320 I'm I'm heart heartbroken because it was really cool. 00:20:44.320 --> 00:20:48.640 It was a website that basically was replaying the entire Apollo 11 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:53.280 mission from several hours before launch until its return. 00:20:53.280 --> 00:20:56.000 So you could go to this website and you could jump between 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:00.960 audio and video sources from every camera that they had available, every 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.320 microphone they had available. 00:21:02.320 --> 00:21:04.640 You could see the telemetry in real time. 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.720 You could scrub back and forth in time. 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:10.320 You could just see the the raft of data that was sent 00:21:10.320 --> 00:21:13.600 back to Earth and it was kept on Earth as part of 00:21:13.600 --> 00:21:15.600 this enormous project. 00:21:15.600 --> 00:21:17.920 Just inconceivably huge project. 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:20.320 So and that's that's a fraction of the data that we have 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:24.000 as as Corey alluded to, some of the data was lost. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:25.840 Yeah, it's a government program. 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.480 You ever hear government records getting misplaced? 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:29.920 That's not a conspiracy. 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:31.920 That's the realest part of the whole story. 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.440 To say they're covering something us up because they lost records. 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:38.320 I there's nothing I find more believable than that. 00:21:38.320 --> 00:21:40.640 And even at that, there's all this data. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.520 And again, it's it's available elsewhere, but it's just really nice that 00:21:43.520 --> 00:21:44.720 that website existed. 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:46.240 You can go see the bones of it still. 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:52.000 But even now, the telemetry data is is widely available. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.280 As we talked about last week, if someone wanted to fake an 00:21:55.280 --> 00:21:58.560 event, is the the event we talked about last week, if the 00:21:58.560 --> 00:22:02.160 Germans had wanted to cover up what they did and they falsified 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:06.720 records by going in and modifying or deleting things, it would never 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.400 withstand any sort of forensic scrutiny. 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:15.120 And that's absolutely the case with the Apollo missions. 00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:17.360 They were going out into space. 00:22:17.600 --> 00:22:20.000 One of the key parts of that is that everyone can see 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.920 space. They the moon is not over the United States of America. 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.320 Everyone on a planet gets a shot at the moon. 00:22:26.320 --> 00:22:29.760 Everyone on the planet with a radio receiver or today a laser 00:22:29.760 --> 00:22:32.320 transmitter can do the same things that we could do. 00:22:32.320 --> 00:22:36.080 And in nineteen sixty-nine when the astronauts were there, anyone with a 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:40.160 radio receiver that was correctly set up and strong enough would be 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:41.040 able to pick them up. 00:22:41.040 --> 00:22:43.760 Now that wasn't common in nineteen sixty nine, but you know who 00:22:43.760 --> 00:22:44.400 did have it? 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:45.680 The Soviet Union. 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.680 The Soviets were paying a great deal of attention to what we 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:50.880 were doing in space. 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.680 Because as Corey said, that it was part of the the Cold 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.800 War. This was a military endeavor as far as as far as 00:22:56.800 --> 00:22:58.640 the Soviets were concerned. 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.640 So one of the chief chief arguments from silence in all this 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.200 is that if we had pretended to go to the moon and 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.920 we hadn't, and we had been transmitting fake radio data from either 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:16.160 moon orbit or from low Earth orbit, the Soviets would have known 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:17.600 and they would have told the world. 00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:21.280 Because everything that the Soviets did at the time when they were 00:23:21.280 --> 00:23:24.480 a communist empire was to try to demonstrate to the world that 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.920 communism was supreme over all of our forms of life. 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:32.400 That atheism atheist communism was the way humanity was going to be 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:33.760 ruled in the future. 00:23:33.760 --> 00:23:35.440 They were the first into space. 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.080 They were the first to orbit. 00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:39.600 They did things before we did. 00:23:39.600 --> 00:23:41.520 Their rocketry program was more advanced. 00:23:41.520 --> 00:23:44.720 We were playing catch up when we did the Apollo and Gemini 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:49.680 missions. So they would have absolutely mocked us very publicly. 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:52.560 If there was a shred of evidence that they could have collected 00:23:52.560 --> 00:23:55.280 from space that we didn't do this, it would have been everywhere 00:23:55.280 --> 00:23:56.400 in 1969. 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.160 You wouldn't had to wait for some idiot comedian fifty years later 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.320 to say, Oh, by the way, they didn't do it. 00:24:02.320 --> 00:24:04.960 The Russians would have told that before most of us were born. 00:24:05.360 --> 00:24:09.840 On a technical note, about the supposed loss of data, and one 00:24:09.840 --> 00:24:12.240 could argue that it is a loss of data. 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:17.520 Many of the reels would simply have been reused, and that sounds 00:24:17.520 --> 00:24:18.720 crazy to 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:25.200 the modern home user, let's say, of technology, because you think, well 00:24:25.280 --> 00:24:28.160 I just store everything on my hard drive and it seems to 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.240 have infinite space. 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.520 Perhaps not your phone, you've run into a lack of space on 00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:35.440 your phone, and that's a good example. 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.960 If your phone fills up, you clear it and reuse the space. 00:24:40.080 --> 00:24:44.880 The same thing happens with certain systems that have high volumes of 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:46.720 data passing through them. 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:50.400 The best modern example would be a surveillance system. 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.480 When you set up a surveillance system, yes the cameras can be 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.320 somewhat expensive, but the real expense winds up going into the back 00:24:58.560 --> 00:25:01.280 end where you actually store that data. 00:25:01.280 --> 00:25:04.960 I won't get into the specific numbers that much because no one 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.600 really cares about the math. 00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:10.720 But the core point is that you are going to have a 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:15.360 limited amount of space to store the data that you are collecting. 00:25:15.360 --> 00:25:19.680 And you aim for X days of retention. 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:22.960 So if you have an incident that occurs you want to have 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.040 back 90 days, say. 00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:28.000 And so you calculate your storage needs and you have enough storage 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.000 for 90 days. 00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:31.680 Well, what happens is 00:25:33.280 --> 00:25:38.960 the video from 91 days ago drops off and gets reused for 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.160 your current day. 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:41.280 And that keeps happening. 00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:43.920 You're cycling through that storage space. 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:47.600 They did the same thing back when they had reels or whatever 00:25:47.600 --> 00:25:51.760 else they happened to be using, magnetic tapes, because they didn't have 00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:53.520 an infinite number of them. 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:56.800 And back then it was very expensive to make more of them, 00:25:56.800 --> 00:25:59.840 and they were large, and you had to store them somewhere, and 00:25:59.840 --> 00:26:01.920 they're somewhat delicate. 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:05.200 So the fact that they were reused and that some of the 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.080 data were lost is not at all surprising. 00:26:08.320 --> 00:26:11.760 That is exactly what you expect to happen with that kind of 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:18.320 system. And the joke about you know, my phone drops all the 00:26:18.320 --> 00:26:20.480 time and blah blah blah, okay fine 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:26.000 If you wanted to build a system that was completely rock solid, 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.040 you could do it. 00:26:27.040 --> 00:26:29.360 And it wouldn't even be that expensive today. 00:26:29.360 --> 00:26:34.400 Earlier I was looking at some hardware for something completely unrelated, but 00:26:35.280 --> 00:26:41.280 You can set up a 10 to 20 kilometer link for about 00:26:41.520 --> 00:26:42.320 $2,000 00:26:43.280 --> 00:26:46.160 that will be completely stable. 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:49.280 You could have a constant stream of data over this with no 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:55.360 interruptions, and it has enough throughput to do a little math. 00:26:57.600 --> 00:27:01.120 There's enough throughput in that to fill your hard drive, if you 00:27:01.120 --> 00:27:03.600 have an average size hard drive, in about two hours. 00:27:03.600 --> 00:27:05.760 That's a lot of data. 00:27:05.760 --> 00:27:08.640 Which is to say that if you wanted to build a system 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.280 that was completely stable, you could do it. 00:27:11.280 --> 00:27:16.560 The phone system, your cell phone, is not completely stable and reliable 00:27:16.800 --> 00:27:18.000 because of cost. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:22.080 It's the same thing as when you're storing X days worth of 00:27:22.080 --> 00:27:24.080 video of surveillance. 00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:27.040 You could store it indefinitely. 00:27:27.040 --> 00:27:29.760 But the cost keeps going up because you're going to have to 00:27:29.760 --> 00:27:33.520 buy new storage every time you fill your old storage. 00:27:33.520 --> 00:27:39.120 Well the phone system, the cellular system, could be entirely reliable if 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:41.360 that's what we wanted, if that's what we needed. 00:27:41.360 --> 00:27:45.760 We have systems like that for emergency services and things that are 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:52.880 more sensitive to drops in quality or just entirely drops in service. 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.240 We don't do it because of cost. 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:01.520 The cost of building out that sort of system is extremely prohibitive 00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:05.200 unless you live in an area that is extremely dense. 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:11.680 For instance, when I lived in Southern California, I had nearly perfect 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.680 cell service basically everywhere I spent my time, unless I was hiking 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.040 in the middle of nowhere. 00:28:17.040 --> 00:28:21.520 Obviously in the depths of Sequoia National Forest, okay fine, I don't 00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:22.720 have service there. 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:27.360 But everywhere in LA and in the surrounding areas, perfect service. 00:28:27.360 --> 00:28:28.720 Because of density. 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.240 It makes sense to build out the network where you have literal 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.720 millions of users. 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:39.120 Now I live somewhere that is significantly more rural. 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:43.840 My service here happens to be pretty good But there are many 00:28:43.840 --> 00:28:46.800 places around where I live now where I don't have very good 00:28:46.800 --> 00:28:50.320 surface. Because of the cost, it would not make sense to build 00:28:50.320 --> 00:28:51.440 it out. 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:55.360 And so it makes perfect sense that you would have 00:28:56.320 --> 00:29:01.600 Good connection for something like the Apollo mission, which is critical, and 00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:04.800 yes, your cell phone doesn't perform to the same standard. 00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:09.200 It's insane to compare the two, and as Woe mentioned, the point 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:10.160 is the joke. 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.280 It's a It's a joke being told by a comedian. 00:29:13.280 --> 00:29:16.960 Aha, it's funny that my cell phone drop service no really it's 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.840 actually a wonder device that I have in my pocket that can 00:29:19.840 --> 00:29:25.920 do this virtually unlimited list of things that were inconceivable forty years 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.720 ago. Certainly inconceivable a hundred years ago, two hundred years ago. 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.960 But yes, haha, it doesn't work all the time. 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.000 Okay, fine. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.680 We understand the joke. 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:42.640 Don't let the joke become warrant to believe something that is insane. 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.000 Because then you've just made yourself the joke. 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.720 Why would you take a joke from a comedian and turn that 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:56.160 into one of your actual beliefs about the real world? 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.800 That is an insane thing to do. 00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:05.040 Another common example that comes from the folks who say that we 00:30:05.040 --> 00:30:08.160 couldn't have gone to the moon is the Van Allen belts. 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:09.680 You may have heard the term before. 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:13.360 They're these belts of ionizing radiation around the Earth. 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:18.640 They're it's radiation that's held by the magnetism of the earth itself 00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:23.760 that does exist in places in lethal levels. 00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:28.960 And so the theory from guys on Twitter and YouTube who are 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.640 not nearly smart enough to actually do any of this math is 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.760 that the earth is surrounded by this murder cloud and no one 00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:39.680 can possibly transit that cloud or they're all die instantly because it's 00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:44.880 radioactive. NASA was worried about this. 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.960 They were worried about the Van Allen belts. 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:48.960 They knew about them, they knew of their existence. 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.760 They had correctly modeled them in the 60s. 00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:54.320 So So that they knew that they were uneven. 00:30:54.320 --> 00:30:58.880 There are these multiple layers and pockets of radiation that are unevenly 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.160 distributed because 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.040 the galaxy and the solar system are basically 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.440 to well as an allusion to the flat earth thing later They're 00:31:09.360 --> 00:31:10.320 kind of a pancake. 00:31:10.320 --> 00:31:13.440 They're basically f oriented in a flat fashion. 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:19.280 So the Earth's radiation belts, the Van Allen belts, are oriented basically 00:31:19.280 --> 00:31:20.880 towards the sun. 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.760 They're oriented with the poles of the earth, so it's not quite 00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:26.400 a line, but more or less it's off to one side and 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.120 the other. 00:31:27.120 --> 00:31:29.680 So you have up and down and you have left and right. 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.640 Yeah, north, south, east, west. 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.480 That's important because the van Allen belts are not perfect spheres. 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.480 We're not talking about electron shells around a neutron. 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.040 We're talking about a torus. 00:31:43.360 --> 00:31:48.000 it's a r it uh it's a round donut, basically around the 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.960 earth of yes, lethal levels of radiation. 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.560 So NASA mapped it. 00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:55.120 They made sure that they understood all the risks. 00:31:55.120 --> 00:31:57.840 One of the other things that you'll hear from the Benjamins of 00:31:57.840 --> 00:32:00.240 the world is they would have had to have so much lead 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.480 shielding they couldn't have possibly taken off. 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.880 We'll link a video in the show notes that goes in briefly 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.440 in just a bit of details, and it talks about some of 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.600 the specifics that you can go Google if you actually care about 00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:10.960 the science. 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.360 If, for the sake of argument, these idiot idiotic internet comedians were 00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:19.040 right, and you would have needed very thick lead shielding to protect 00:32:19.040 --> 00:32:23.440 the astronauts from the radiation, the scientific fact is that if they 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.960 had had heavy lead shielding, it would have actually increased the amount 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.680 of radiation they would have been exposed to. 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.440 Because although the lead shielding would have kept the ionizing radiation on 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.240 the outside of the lead shielding, the lead shielding itself would have 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.760 been emitting wreck x rays inside the spaceship. 00:32:39.760 --> 00:32:43.840 So the light aluminum skin and the mylar sheathing and the other 00:32:43.840 --> 00:32:47.600 things in this tin can of a of a spaceship, that's not 00:32:47.600 --> 00:32:48.000 a joke. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.800 That was real. 00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:51.840 It was incredibly light, not only because it had to be, but 00:32:51.840 --> 00:32:52.880 because it could be. 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.680 And the materials that they used, they did the math, they were 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:56.960 careful, like they didn't they didn't 00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:59.360 space. They were careful. 00:32:59.360 --> 00:33:00.640 They didn't kill people. 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.040 They'd already killed three guys in the oxygen fire in uh Gemini. 00:33:05.040 --> 00:33:08.000 They wanted to make sure they didn't have that happen again. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.720 By anything. 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.080 Like they you know, these were it was a PR thing. 00:33:12.080 --> 00:33:13.440 It was a human thing. 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.240 It was just it the mission was to send men to the 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:17.760 moon and bring 'em back alive. 00:33:17.760 --> 00:33:20.720 Everything that went into that mission was important to him, and that 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.440 included not having radiation poisoning. 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.600 So what do they do for the Van Allen belts? 00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:30.000 They made sure that the spaceships had the appropriate materials to minimize 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.400 as much of the radiation that they were going to be exposed 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.440 to as possible, and then they went around the belts. 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.720 They cut through the edges of the Van Allen belts where it 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.480 was not lethal, and they did it quickly enough that they were 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.240 only exposed for a total of about six hours inside any portion 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.000 of the belt, and all three of the astronauts were wearing dosimeters, 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.520 so they knew how much radiation they were exposed to. 00:33:53.520 --> 00:33:58.320 Their entire trip through the Van Allen belts in the deepness of 00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:03.040 outer space with no magnetic shield from the Earth protecting them, they 00:34:03.040 --> 00:34:10.080 received less radioactivity exposure than a nuclear worker would today in a 00:34:10.240 --> 00:34:11.600 nuclear plant. 00:34:11.600 --> 00:34:17.360 It was a completely safe, innocuous, not even interesting level of radiation. 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.520 It wasn't like they couldn't do that. 00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:22.000 You know, if they went up every day, yes, they would start 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.560 to get into levels, it would be dangerous. 00:34:24.560 --> 00:34:27.680 But for the trips that they took and the they went once, 00:34:27.680 --> 00:34:29.840 they went through it for about two and a half hours one 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.000 way and about three and a half hours the other way. 00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:35.280 And in between, they had several days of rest, and so their 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.240 bodies were able to repair some of the damage that may have 00:34:38.240 --> 00:34:39.600 been caused by the radiation. 00:34:39.600 --> 00:34:43.600 Because another problem with that sort of radiation is it's the continuous 00:34:43.600 --> 00:34:46.800 exposure that causes that causes your body to break down. 00:34:47.120 --> 00:34:49.440 our bodies are constantly being injured and damaged. 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.440 We have cells that are dying all the time. 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.880 Our body's always cleaning up some mess, some injury internally, and we 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:55.840 never know about it. 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.400 So they took all those things into account. 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:03.200 So just as these two very brief examples, you have radioactivity and 00:35:03.200 --> 00:35:05.840 you have haha phone calls. 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.640 When you examine those gotcha claims, they disintegrate. 00:35:10.640 --> 00:35:13.200 There's a very plausible explanation. 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:13.520 And 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.960 on the flip side, when you look at all the proof that 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.680 it actually happened, it's overwhelming. 00:35:19.680 --> 00:35:23.280 So the gotchas fall on their face and everything that the guys 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.880 want to ignore is staring you right in the eyes. 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:31.040 Last week's episode, by contrast, the opposite is true. 00:35:31.040 --> 00:35:35.280 See, if all the bodies are missing and there have been all 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.920 these millions killed, that's a That's a big deal. 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.520 That's not a phone call. 00:35:39.520 --> 00:35:42.160 And that's part of the reason we wanted it to contrast these 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.560 is that if you just bucket these together as these are crazy 00:35:46.560 --> 00:35:49.600 conspiracy theories that guys on the internet make up, and I don't 00:35:49.520 --> 00:35:50.880 know what to believe, it's all crazy. 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.800 I don't want anything to do with it. 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.640 If you just like I said, if you just want to check 00:35:54.640 --> 00:35:56.000 out completely, that's fine. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.360 But if you want to engage in the veracity of these things, 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.520 take a look at the claims. 00:36:01.520 --> 00:36:05.120 If six million bodies vanish, that's a big deal. 00:36:05.120 --> 00:36:08.640 If something that someone calls a phone call and was it was 00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:10.560 called a phone call at the time, but it wasn't. 00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:13.200 It was it was a scripted radio transmission. 00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:15.680 One guy pressed the button and talked for a minute or two, 00:36:15.680 --> 00:36:19.280 and then the other guy responded when his time was up. 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.720 All of the possible gotchas fall apart. 00:36:22.720 --> 00:36:24.720 I used to work in tech, I used to work at Apple. 00:36:24.720 --> 00:36:26.320 I've done demos before. 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:31.280 Sometimes parts of demos are faked, not in the sense that the 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:34.480 could the thing couldn't be done, but the at the exact moment 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.280 that you were asked to present it, maybe it wasn't in a 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.000 pus in a state that you could make it work as well 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.840 as it was gonna work in the work in the end. 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.560 Now I'm not saying that the moon landing was a demo, but 00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:47.680 some of the other minor gotchas are that there's there's videos that 00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:51.760 were taken inside the capsules at different distances from the earth. 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.840 And you can do the math on the size of the earth 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:55.680 and say, well they were this far away when they When they 00:36:55.680 --> 00:36:57.280 were saying they were this far away. 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.040 It's important to keep in mind that the astronauts, every minute of 00:37:01.040 --> 00:37:05.680 that three-day journey was scripted because this was not a canoe trip 00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:06.800 down a river. 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:11.040 They had to do certain things at precise intervals at certain moments, 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:12.800 or they would all die. 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.480 It's rocket science. 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:18.640 We're talking about being in space where one accident, one mistake can 00:37:18.640 --> 00:37:19.840 potentially kill you. 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.800 Something we miraculously were able to recover from on Apollo 13 when 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:26.560 a whole bunch of things went wrong. 00:37:26.560 --> 00:37:29.040 And they did recover because they were brilliant men and they were 00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:32.080 hard workers and they had enough of a safety margin to make 00:37:32.080 --> 00:37:32.640 it back. 00:37:32.640 --> 00:37:34.480 And frankly, God saved their lives too. 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.080 I mean, you can't humans can't take all the credit for that. 00:37:38.080 --> 00:37:44.720 But the difference between the so-called conspiracy theory where the couple gotchas 00:37:45.040 --> 00:37:49.200 blow a hole in everything, and something like the moon landing where 00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:54.160 the gotchas are themselves inane, it's it's not even apples and oranges. 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.480 it's apples and elephants. 00:37:57.040 --> 00:37:57.200 And 00:37:57.200 --> 00:38:00.640 on the topic of radiation, I think a lot of people get 00:38:00.640 --> 00:38:05.920 the wrong conception of radiation and radiation risks. 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:13.840 If you are an international traveler, you have increased exposure to radiation. 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:18.880 Because when you fly, you are outside some of the protection of 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.400 the Earth's atmosphere because you are above much of it when you 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.720 are flying at altitude, particularly if you are taking international trips where 00:38:26.720 --> 00:38:30.480 you are at altitude for many hours. 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.400 And so you have an increased risk of cancer over the long 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.240 term because of that travel. 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.000 The same thing is very true for astronauts. 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:49.040 Astronauts, in some cases, face an increased risk of cancer. 00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:54.080 Now, we may get into nuclear weapons and nuclear energy. 00:38:54.080 --> 00:38:58.800 It's not always true that being in the vicinity of nuclear energy 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.320 is going to result in an increased risk of cancer. 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:08.720 For instance, our submariners actually have a decreased risk of cancer. 00:39:08.720 --> 00:39:13.600 Because our nuclear submarines are designed in such a way there's no 00:39:13.600 --> 00:39:16.240 radiation risk for the crew. 00:39:16.240 --> 00:39:18.080 They don't have any exposure. 00:39:18.640 --> 00:39:21.920 They actually have less because they are protected by the volume of 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.680 water and the metal tube. 00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:27.440 They're actually getting less radiation than you would just being on the 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:28.640 surface on an average day. 00:39:28.640 --> 00:39:31.040 I'm getting more right now from the Now from the open window, 00:39:31.040 --> 00:39:35.360 well the unshuttered window next to me, obviously not open, it's very 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.520 warm outside. 00:39:37.520 --> 00:39:37.840 But 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.800 radiation risk is a matter of longitudinal risk. 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.800 It is exposure over a very long period of time, unless you 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:51.920 have an acute exposure Chernobyl, for instance. 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.040 But one of the reasons that people get this wrong is they 00:39:55.040 --> 00:39:58.240 don't understand Understand longitudinal risk. 00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:01.680 It's not just acute risk, it's not like being poisoned. 00:40:01.680 --> 00:40:04.880 Yes, it is poisoning over a long period. 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.000 So yes, you could compare it to a mild toxin, but it's 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:11.520 not like cyanide poison where you take it and you die. 00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:15.600 This is one of the reasons when Japan had their their nuclear 00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:20.000 incident in the wake of the tsunami, many elderly volunteered to help 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:20.960 clean up. 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:22.480 If you are already elderly, you 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:29.200 don't run the risk of that longitudinal increase in cancer the risk 00:40:29.200 --> 00:40:33.040 of cancer, well, really cancer because we all eventually get cancer if 00:40:33.040 --> 00:40:34.560 you live long enough. 00:40:34.560 --> 00:40:39.680 But you don't run that risk if you're already elderly, because it 00:40:39.680 --> 00:40:43.840 is the dose over your life that increases the likelihood of getting 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.600 that cancer. 00:40:45.600 --> 00:40:51.440 And we mistakenly believe that some anyway, that somehow we can just 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.680 remove all of these risks. 00:40:53.680 --> 00:40:58.160 There were very real risks, including radiation risks for these astronauts. 00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:01.280 Yes, they did as much as they possibly could to reduce those 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.840 risks, but they couldn't eliminate them. 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:08.720 In the end analysis we were blasting human beings into a vacuum 00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:11.120 in a metal tube. 00:41:11.120 --> 00:41:14.400 We'd already sort of done so and learned many things obviously from 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:21.520 submarines because that's the best comparison for this submarine versus spacecraft because 00:41:21.520 --> 00:41:25.920 both are dealing with a very inhospitable external environment that if you 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.080 do anything wrong you're going to die. 00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:30.480 If you get a hole in your craft you're probably going to 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:36.720 die. But for instance, to compare these these radiation risks, to understand 00:41:36.720 --> 00:41:39.760 them perhaps a little better, there's actually a monument I guess this 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:45.600 tangentially ties into last week's episode since it was built in nineteen 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.760 thirty six and in Germany. 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.640 But there is a monument on the campus of St. 00:41:50.640 --> 00:41:55.280 George's Hospital in Hamburg that has a list of, I think it's 00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:01.040 up to maybe 400 names now, of those who died learning about 00:42:01.040 --> 00:42:04.640 basically X-rays. 00:42:04.640 --> 00:42:08.480 These technologies, when we are experimenting with them, when we are first 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.080 learning to use them, have very real risks that come with them. 00:42:12.080 --> 00:42:15.760 And the astronauts knew those risks and undertook them. 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.480 So when people say that, oh well you couldn't do it because 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.920 of X, Y, and Z, no, that's a risk that you run. 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.440 You account for the risk, you minimize the risk, but you can't 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.800 eliminate it. 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.320 And so it's not an argument against the moon landing that there 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.520 was some sort of risk involved in radiation exposure. 00:42:35.520 --> 00:42:41.600 That's going to be the case with human spaceflight unless we figure 00:42:41.600 --> 00:42:45.040 out some way to totally mitigate radiation, which we have not done 00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:48.480 yet. That's actually one of the biggest hurdles 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.520 in getting men to Mars 00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:57.680 because that is significantly more radiation exposure than just a trip to 00:42:57.680 --> 00:42:58.640 the Moon. 00:42:58.640 --> 00:43:00.400 The Moon's not that far away. 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.640 The three day trip not very long. 00:43:02.640 --> 00:43:05.520 A six month or more trip to Mars. 00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:11.760 That is an immense exposure to the hard radiation of vacuum. 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:15.040 Unless we discover some new way to mitigate 00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:16.080 that. And 00:43:16.080 --> 00:43:20.240 I think that a a key element of all of the various 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:26.480 details so-called in the conspiracy theories that we're talking about today is 00:43:26.720 --> 00:43:32.080 that they rely on the person listening not being intelligent, not being 00:43:32.080 --> 00:43:39.120 smart enough to either understand the variables or to even have 00:43:39.120 --> 00:43:42.080 any conception that such a thing is possible. 00:43:42.080 --> 00:43:45.520 And so when you say cell phone, ha ha ha, everyone's like, 00:43:45.520 --> 00:43:47.760 Yeah, I know what a cell phone is, Corey talked about. 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:53.680 Like it's there are different degrees of engineering required for different things. 00:43:53.680 --> 00:43:57.840 And you spend the money, you get the results you want. 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.200 There's nothing abnormal about that. 00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:03.840 that's how everything works. 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.320 It's you know the the joke in 00:44:07.200 --> 00:44:11.120 racing used to be you can spend cubic inches or you can 00:44:11.120 --> 00:44:12.560 spend cubic bucks. 00:44:12.560 --> 00:44:15.920 You can have an incredibly exotic engine that can go really fast, 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.120 or you can have a really big engine, and you'll get similar 00:44:19.120 --> 00:44:23.920 results. When these punch lines are thrown out and these these stupid 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.520 little gotchas like cell phones, and you know, one of the other 00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:31.040 things is that they were on the moon and why are all 00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:32.320 the pictures of the sky black? 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:33.840 Why aren't there any stars? 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.880 Well, have you ever seen a difference in what your eyes can 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.520 pick up in the daylight versus at night? 00:44:39.520 --> 00:44:41.040 Your eye has an iris. 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:43.600 Your eye has light sensitivity. 00:44:43.600 --> 00:44:47.280 In fact it has two different sets of sensors, one for regular 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.120 light and one for low light. 00:44:49.120 --> 00:44:52.080 Because in regular light you can see color and low light you 00:44:52.080 --> 00:44:53.360 really can't. 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.880 So your eyes switch between the rods and cones depending on how 00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.880 much light is available, so that you can still see something. 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.440 In space, when they were on the moon, it was always the 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:06.640 middle of the day. 00:45:06.640 --> 00:45:10.400 There was no nighttime anywhere at any time they were in space. 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.880 They were always in full one hundred percent sunlight, which meant that 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.320 they were at the maximum possible eyeball saturation and cameras have even 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.160 less um dynamic range than our eyes do. 00:45:24.160 --> 00:45:27.760 Cameras are stopped down considerably compared to the range of a of 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:28.880 a human eye. 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.880 And so a camera, if it can see, for example, the Earth 00:45:33.040 --> 00:45:36.720 clearly, without the Earth being completely blown out to the point that 00:45:36.720 --> 00:45:40.240 it would just be shining white, there's literally no possible way for 00:45:40.240 --> 00:45:44.480 the same camera to show stars in the background and the Earth. 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:48.320 It's one or the other because of the difference in the albedo, 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:51.360 the difference of the brightness of the objects. 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.520 So if you don't know anything and you don't care to learn, 00:45:55.520 --> 00:45:58.400 and maybe you're not smart enough to understand, and I don't refer 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.200 to intellectual capability to be insulting. 00:46:01.200 --> 00:46:03.600 God made some people does not be to be smart enough to 00:46:03.600 --> 00:46:04.880 worry about this stuff. 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:09.920 Don't let someone like Owen Benjamin prey on your inability to understand 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.200 a lot of the scientific details to convince you that something that 00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:15.920 obviously happened couldn't have happened. 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:18.640 It's just th that's the key element here. 00:46:18.640 --> 00:46:21.760 When the claims that we made about Martin Luther King and the 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.920 claims the claims that we made about the Holocaust were simple. 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.800 They're not fancy scientific claims. 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:29.760 Cookie math. 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.480 If I have four ovens in five years, how many cookies can 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:33.200 I bake? 00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:34.240 That's not tricky. 00:46:34.240 --> 00:46:37.200 That doesn't rely on any secret knowledge. 00:46:37.200 --> 00:46:39.600 It's the opposite of what's going on here. 00:46:39.680 --> 00:46:44.080 And so again, they seem similar if you're just thinking, wow, crazy 00:46:44.080 --> 00:46:46.320 guy on the internet's telling me something. 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.280 The difference is in the quality of the questions. 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:51.760 The quality of a question of where did all the bodies go 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.320 is fundamentally different. 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.920 Fundamentally different than the quality of the question, how did they make 00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.600 a phone call from the moon? 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.240 it there's no possible comparison. 00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:05.520 And so you as a listener, I think one of the important 00:47:05.520 --> 00:47:09.600 things is is this guy just preying on my scientific ignorance? 00:47:09.600 --> 00:47:13.280 And as we said at the beginning of last week's episode, don't 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.240 just believe what we say because we say it or even if 00:47:16.240 --> 00:47:17.440 it seems convincing. 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.560 Uh one of the really heartening things that came from last week's 00:47:20.560 --> 00:47:25.280 episode, we got a ton of feedback from people saying basically it 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:28.400 took them aback, because people had never heard maybe they'd heard one 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.800 or two bits of pieces, but most people had never heard any 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:31.600 of that. 00:47:31.600 --> 00:47:34.800 And they weren't necessarily gonna believe it right away, but the thing 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.720 that was consistent about a lot of the feedback was that everyone 00:47:38.720 --> 00:47:41.200 who heard it took pause because 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:47.200 Suddenly, things that didn't make sense before are starting to make sense. 00:47:47.200 --> 00:47:52.560 And that's another contrast between something that's true, where there's actually a 00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:58.720 legitimate concerted effort to deceive us, like COVID, for example, and something 00:47:58.720 --> 00:48:02.880 that's a lie, like denying that we'd landed on the moon, when 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:08.240 it's plainly visible and plainly obvious and easily proven. 00:48:08.240 --> 00:48:12.400 In in the narrative, there's the same amount of proof for both. 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.280 You know, one thing, you know, we could have done another three 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:20.240 hours like last week with completely different sets of facts, completely different 00:48:20.240 --> 00:48:22.960 information, and still blown your minds the same way. 00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:26.160 There's that much incredibly obvious stuff. 00:48:26.160 --> 00:48:28.640 One of the things I didn't mention was that if you go 00:48:28.640 --> 00:48:32.880 to Google Ngrams and search for Capital H Holocaust, the word doesn't 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:34.960 appear until the mid-60s. 00:48:35.600 --> 00:48:37.360 Compare that with the Moonlanding. 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.720 If you search for Moonlanding, in nineteen sixty nine everyone was talking 00:48:40.720 --> 00:48:43.280 about the moon landing, and it wasn't because they were faking it 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:44.320 in real time. 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.640 In the show notes for this episode, we'll have we'll have a 00:48:46.640 --> 00:48:50.160 few links to some different breakdowns from different groups of people about 00:48:50.640 --> 00:48:54.880 how when you look at some of the speculative denials of what 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:56.560 happened, it falls apart. 00:48:56.560 --> 00:49:01.280 One of my favorite ones is from some movie special effects guys. 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.000 Because the big claim is that well, we didn't go, we faked 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.520 the whole thing, it was all it was all a stage. 00:49:07.520 --> 00:49:11.760 It was movie producers, it was Stanley Kubrick faking the whole thing. 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.800 These guys said that with current technology we could not fake it 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:15.840 as well as they did. 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.480 They said it would have been cheaper to actually go to the 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.120 moon than to fake it as well as they did. 00:49:21.120 --> 00:49:26.480 They the the technology absolutely didn't exist to fake the specific details 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.680 that you could have only gotten right if you were actually on 00:49:29.680 --> 00:49:30.320 the moon. 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.160 There's things about the alignment of the light and reflections that you 00:49:34.160 --> 00:49:38.080 can only have if your light source is millions of miles away. 00:49:38.080 --> 00:49:40.640 It can't be a light source that's hanging up on the ceiling 00:49:40.640 --> 00:49:42.320 in a sound stage. 00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.920 And so the quality of the questions and the quality of the 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.160 evidence is fundamentally different. 00:49:48.160 --> 00:49:50.880 And so one of the the key themes of this episode is 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.080 that when you're weighing these things, if you want to delve into 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.600 crazy guys on the internet telling you stuff for the first time, 00:49:57.600 --> 00:50:01.600 if you're willing to do that, it's okay to assume up front 00:50:01.600 --> 00:50:02.640 that it's all crap. 00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:04.320 Assume that you're being lied to. 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:04.960 I do. 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.120 Frankly, it's part of why I'm good at thinking. 00:50:07.120 --> 00:50:10.000 I assume that anything that anyone tells me, I assume every part 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.800 of it is false, and I try to pick it apart. 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:16.800 Now it's not abrasive and it's not crazy, it's just I have 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:20.880 a filter where anything that's true is only going to get through 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.080 because I've picked it up ever I picked apart all the pieces 00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:25.840 that could possibly be false. 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.160 The reason I fell for the narrative of what we talked about 00:50:28.160 --> 00:50:29.920 last week was that I never did that. 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.640 People said, hey, this happened, like, okay, whatever. 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.840 When I looked at it critically, when I scrutinized it, it disintegrated. 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.480 I was I became curious about the moon landing a few years 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:41.520 ago for the same reason. 00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:43.040 I always assumed it was true. 00:50:43.040 --> 00:50:43.920 I believed it was true. 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.480 All I everything I never heard said it was true. 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.680 All these people suddenly start saying, Oh, it's fake, it's all made 00:50:49.680 --> 00:50:51.920 up, it's insane, it's crazy, they're lying to you, man. 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.200 Like, okay, I don't believe that, but I'll go look at your 00:50:55.200 --> 00:50:56.640 evidence. And so I did. 00:50:56.640 --> 00:50:58.800 I spent a while looking at the evidence the same way I 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.120 looked at last week's evidence, and what I found was the exact 00:51:01.120 --> 00:51:05.680 opposite. When you actually look at the raw materials, it it's just 00:51:05.680 --> 00:51:07.840 inconceivable that it could have been faked. 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:09.040 Never mind that it wasn't. 00:51:09.040 --> 00:51:10.800 We have all the physical evidence that it was. 00:51:11.120 --> 00:51:15.760 We have reams just a virtually infinite amount of proof. 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.760 There was no way to fake it. 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:19.920 You know, one of the things I looked at I've never seen 00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:23.920 written about, but I was one thing I personally came up with 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:24.240 was 00:51:25.200 --> 00:51:28.480 there were multiple Apollo missions where we sent men up and they 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.760 went into orbit. 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.320 And even the narrative that says that we never went to the 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.840 moon 'cause we couldn't leave the Van Allen belts still says that 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.360 we sent men up into outer space, because obviously everyone saw Saturn 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.640 V rise and then saw the Apollo capsule come back down. 00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:45.680 That means the guys went into at least low Earth orbit. 00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:48.720 Well, when you go up into space in the low Earth orbit 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.440 and then you come back down, you have a re you have 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:52.960 a return trajectory. 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:54.240 And you can look online. 00:51:54.240 --> 00:51:56.320 I don't we won't want this put this in the show notes. 00:51:56.560 --> 00:51:57.840 It's not important. 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.600 But when I looked, I found that for the Apollo missions where 00:52:01.600 --> 00:52:05.680 the astronauts went up into space and just circled the Earth, they 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.240 had one return trajectory. 00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:11.360 It was and it was it was a relatively shallow if I 00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:12.480 remember correctly. 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.280 And then we have another one for the missions where they returned 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:15.680 from the moon. 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.000 And the numbers for the return trajectory for the moon were off 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:21.280 by like fifty degrees. 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:22.400 It was a massive difference. 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:26.560 I can't remember which direction, but it was substantially different to the 00:52:26.560 --> 00:52:31.120 point that if Apollo eleven had only gone into low Earth orbit 00:52:31.120 --> 00:52:35.040 and faked it, their return trajectory would have been physically impossible. 00:52:35.040 --> 00:52:38.320 They wouldn't have been able to return to Earth on the trajectory 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.880 they did unless they'd been coming from the Moon. 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.480 So like I that was something I just dug into myself because 00:52:44.560 --> 00:52:46.160 like I'd never seen anyone talk about it. 00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:48.720 But when I found that data, it seemed like that's a pretty 00:52:48.720 --> 00:52:51.360 obvious example. 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.320 Someone who's intelligent is going to find that and say, Yes, this 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:55.760 adds up, or it's a lie. 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:59.280 You know, if if all their turn trajectories had been identical, I 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:03.520 would have needed for my own edification an explanation for how that 00:53:03.520 --> 00:53:05.200 could be possible because it wouldn't make sense. 00:53:05.200 --> 00:53:08.640 When I saw the new two numbers were wildly disparate for low 00:53:08.640 --> 00:53:13.520 Earth orbit versus lunar return trajectory, I'm like, okay, here's just another 00:53:13.520 --> 00:53:16.800 piece of evidence that it wasn't even typically used that when I 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.040 look at it, like, yeah, it all adds up. 00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:21.680 Even the stuff nobody's talking about adds up. 00:53:21.680 --> 00:53:24.480 That's what you'll find when something is true is in the nooks 00:53:24.560 --> 00:53:27.360 and crannies where no one's looking and no one's talking, it all 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:28.480 still makes sense. 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:30.240 That's how reality works. 00:53:30.240 --> 00:53:33.120 The truth is true everywhere in every direction. 00:53:33.120 --> 00:53:36.720 And a lie, even if something can be convincing to someone in 00:53:36.720 --> 00:53:40.080 some narrow point, it falls apart as soon as you step back 00:53:40.080 --> 00:53:40.880 just a little 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:41.680 bit. 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.760 Obviously we aren't going to try to go over every single objection 00:53:46.640 --> 00:53:50.160 supposed objection that has been raised to the moon landing. 00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:52.720 That's not the goal of the episode, and we don't want to 00:53:52.720 --> 00:53:57.760 spend six hours talking about the most insane things you've ever heard. 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:02.400 But I think there are two that are worth addressing quickly simply 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:07.920 because they are very easy to address and they're completely ludicrous claims. 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.680 The first is that the footprints are obviously fake. 00:54:11.680 --> 00:54:13.840 That's what they try to argue. 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:15.760 And they argue this for a number of reasons. 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.520 One, they'll say they're much too defined, they're too perfect. 00:54:19.520 --> 00:54:23.280 If you are so inclined, I don't recommend doing this, but if 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:27.120 you are so inclined to prove this is possible, buy a bag 00:54:27.120 --> 00:54:30.400 of flour, go outside, don't do this in your kitchen, go outside, 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.440 dump it on the ground, put on your hiking boots, and step 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:34.320 in it. 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.440 You'll reproduce the same sort of footprint that we see in the 00:54:37.520 --> 00:54:39.840 photographs from the moon. 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.840 Because the dust on the moon is very fine and flower is 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.280 fine, that's the sort of footprint it produces. 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.560 But another thing that they will argue about the the footprint, the 00:54:50.560 --> 00:54:56.400 bootprint. Well the pattern the tread doesn't match the boots. 00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:00.800 That's because they mix up the boots in question. 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.400 The astronauts had one set of 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:09.840 gear, one suit that they wore in the spacecraft, and they put 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.960 another over it to go out on the moon. 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.360 Because of course you would do that. 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.880 You don't wear the same clothing for everything, clearly not when you're 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.120 going into hard vacuum. 00:55:21.120 --> 00:55:25.280 And so the boot prints that you see are from the exterior 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.200 boot that goes over the interior boot. 00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:31.360 Well, they're mixing up the two. 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:35.520 These are just very easy things to show the claims are just 00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:38.080 silly. If you actually look at the evidence, they're just silly. 00:55:38.080 --> 00:55:40.320 They're very easy to dismiss. 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:45.040 But the other is that they will argue about the shadows on 00:55:45.040 --> 00:55:50.320 the moon and the way that the light source appears in relation 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.880 to objects in shadows. 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.640 This is something that if you are a photographer you can just 00:55:56.640 --> 00:55:59.120 skip the next minute or whatever. 00:55:59.120 --> 00:56:01.920 Because this is something you already know. 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.880 The concept that you need to understand here, there are a handful, 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.040 but the core one is vanishing point 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:14.960 Now, if you live somewhere like the Northeast, you're not going to 00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:20.000 have experienced this as much in the natural environment or the man-made 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.920 environment as if you've lived somewhere like the southwest. 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:28.640 And the reason for this is the most obvious example in daily 00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:32.880 life is going to be a desert road or a very long 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.360 stretch of train tracks. 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:40.160 If you look at two parallel lines that run for a long 00:56:40.160 --> 00:56:45.280 distance off toward the horizon, they are going to appear to converge 00:56:45.600 --> 00:56:47.200 as they go. 00:56:47.200 --> 00:56:48.960 They aren't converging. 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:53.360 It's your perspective that makes it look like they are converging, and 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:57.440 where they supposedly converge is called the vanishing point. 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.920 This is used in art, it's used in photography. 00:57:02.240 --> 00:57:06.000 But that is what is happening on the moon with some of 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.720 these shadows in the perspective of the cameras. 00:57:08.720 --> 00:57:13.280 You have a single point of light, obviously the sun, and then 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:19.520 you have a vanishing point away from that, away from the perspective 00:57:19.520 --> 00:57:23.360 of the camera, which is going to cause certain effects. 00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:27.280 It's going to look like things are moving toward or are oriented 00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:31.040 toward this point, this vanishing point, when they aren't really. 00:57:31.040 --> 00:57:33.760 It is an effect of perspective. 00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:38.000 It is not something actual in the physical environment. 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:42.560 There are certain things that you see in one way because that's 00:57:42.560 --> 00:57:44.640 how your visual system processes it. 00:57:44.640 --> 00:57:49.040 That's how this is just how things interact in the real world. 00:57:49.040 --> 00:57:52.400 But if you go and examine it, it's other than what you 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.680 saw. And this is one of those examples. 00:57:55.680 --> 00:57:57.680 It's not saying don't trust your eyes. 00:57:57.680 --> 00:58:02.400 It's just saying recognize what your visual system does, recognize the limitations. 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.120 You don't have infinite range on your vision. 00:58:05.120 --> 00:58:07.200 So there's going to be a point at which you can no 00:58:07.200 --> 00:58:07.920 longer see something. 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.560 And if you've stood on the shore by the ocean or a 00:58:10.560 --> 00:58:14.000 large lake or something like that or top of a mountain, you 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:18.000 know intuitively that there's a point out in the distance where you 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.080 can no longer see beyond that, or I guess if you're in 00:58:20.080 --> 00:58:23.040 the middle of the country where it's just completely flat, then you've 00:58:23.040 --> 00:58:25.200 also experienced this. 00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:28.160 But that's what's happening with those photographs. 00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:31.680 It's not that they're on a stage in Hollywood that they have 00:58:31.680 --> 00:58:35.120 a bunch of lights set up and that you have different shadows 00:58:35.120 --> 00:58:37.120 because of that. 00:58:37.120 --> 00:58:40.640 That claim is also ridiculous for another reason. 00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:44.960 The men working on the space program who program were highly intelligent. 00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:50.000 If they had wanted to fake this material, they wouldn't have screwed 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.920 up something as simple as lighting. 00:58:53.680 --> 00:58:59.200 The claim is just ludicrous on its face. 00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.480 And that's the case with the the rest of the things we're 00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:03.440 gonna talk about today. 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:06.080 We're not we're not gonna spend any more time on the moon, 00:59:06.080 --> 00:59:08.480 but we did talk a little bit about radiation. 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.960 One of the other things that's been pushed more recently by the 00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.760 same group is the claim that nukes aren't real. 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.000 Just like birds aren't real, nukes aren't real. 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.280 Nuclear weapons, nuclear power, it's all fake and never existed. 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:20.640 Some permutation of that. 00:59:20.640 --> 00:59:24.160 You know, the the theories about how it was faked vary, but 00:59:24.160 --> 00:59:26.720 the gist of it is that there's no such thing as nuclear 00:59:26.720 --> 00:59:31.120 weapons. It was all invented as a psyop to scare people as 00:59:31.120 --> 00:59:32.960 part of the Cold War. 00:59:33.600 --> 00:59:37.760 Amusingly recently, when Benjamin put some of his so-called proof out for 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.440 this, even his own fans dragged him for how retarded this one 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.040 was. He claimed the the claim was that there was the videos 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:50.240 of the atomic detonations where the government set up cameras and they 00:59:50.240 --> 00:59:54.400 built Potemkin villages that they leveled so that they could see the 00:59:54.400 --> 01:00:00.880 effects of a blast at various ranges on typical residential construction. 01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:03.200 Because it's one thing to know it's going to do to a 01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:05.040 military bunker that's hardened. 01:00:05.040 --> 01:00:07.760 It's another thing to know what it's going to do to just 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.120 a you know a stick frame house. 01:00:11.120 --> 01:00:15.440 And so there's videos you've all seen in slow motion of these 01:00:15.600 --> 01:00:20.640 barns and homes just being completely leveled by the blast wave from 01:00:20.640 --> 01:00:22.480 the nuclear detonation. 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.880 One thing to keep in mind, when 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:32.720 when a nuclear bomb is detonated in the atmosphere, the explosion 01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:35.360 radiates outward. 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.640 Obviously there's there's radiation coming from the center. 01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:43.360 There's the explosion itself, there's the force also coming from the center, 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:48.080 radiing it radiating out equally in all directions roughly. 01:00:48.080 --> 01:00:53.600 As that explosive force moves through the atmosphere, it compresses the atmosphere 01:00:53.600 --> 01:00:54.240 in front of it. 01:00:54.720 --> 01:00:57.040 What that means is that the air right in front of the 01:00:57.040 --> 01:01:01.120 explosion gets compressed a lot. 01:01:01.120 --> 01:01:06.960 There's a difference in the explosive space between regular explosive and what's 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.240 called high explosives. 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.560 It has to do with the velocity of the detonation above everything 01:01:12.560 --> 01:01:16.400 else. You can hear this time sometimes when you hear different audio 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.480 of different types of explosions. 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.560 Some of them just sound kind of boomy and some of them 01:01:20.640 --> 01:01:22.560 have a lot of a crack. 01:01:22.560 --> 01:01:26.800 When When a nuclear detonation occurs, the air in front of the 01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:30.960 detonation is compressed so that it is denser than steel. 01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:35.200 the air itself, the wave of air in front of the wave 01:01:35.200 --> 01:01:36.240 of explosion. 01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:39.840 Because remember the explosion is creating a vacuum behind it, it's pushing 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:41.760 everything outward. 01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:45.440 And so at the edge of the explosion you have a blast 01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:48.480 wave. And the blast wave isn't the explosion. 01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:52.160 The blast wave is actually the compressed air that has the density 01:01:52.160 --> 01:01:54.800 of steel house for a great distance. 01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.560 And so when you see those buildings being flattened. 01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:02.800 It is the function of the explosion, but it's actually the air 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.800 that's been compressed to the density of steel or close to it 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.560 that's hitting those buildings. 01:02:08.560 --> 01:02:09.760 So it's just air. 01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.560 It's just like the big bad wolf blowing, huffing and puffing and 01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:14.640 blowing on the house, knocking it over. 01:02:14.640 --> 01:02:17.600 Except that when it's going faster than the speed of sound and 01:02:17.600 --> 01:02:20.640 it's compressed to the density of steel, it's like be hit being 01:02:20.640 --> 01:02:21.840 hit by a freight train. 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.520 And so there's the video of the houses being flattened and there 01:02:25.520 --> 01:02:27.680 were cameras pointed at the houses. 01:02:27.680 --> 01:02:31.280 And so Benjamin and some others have claimed, well, how could how 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.360 is it that they could build a house that would be flattened 01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:34.880 but the camera was fine? 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.080 The cameras were fragile, how could it possibly f survive? 01:02:38.080 --> 01:02:41.040 Everybody dragged him forward because it was such a stupid take. 01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:47.280 Those cameras were five miles away, in specially reinforced bunkers, particularly oriented 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.200 away from the blast itself, shielded as much as possible from the 01:02:51.200 --> 01:02:55.760 blast, and they were five miles using extreme telephoto lenses to look 01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:57.680 at the buildings that were flattened. 01:02:57.680 --> 01:03:01.120 And so again once again, this is just an example of when 01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:06.400 when a narrative is true and someone comes up with nonsense evidence 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.560 like this, it just crumbles. 01:03:09.120 --> 01:03:11.440 it's almost stupid on its face. 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:13.600 And as soon as you look at it, it's like, how could 01:03:13.600 --> 01:03:15.520 anyone possibly fall for that? 01:03:15.520 --> 01:03:18.640 But if your mind is primed so you're like, well someone says 01:03:18.640 --> 01:03:21.680 that this the government lied to me about this thing too, if 01:03:21.680 --> 01:03:23.680 you get to the point that you're just willing to believe any 01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.840 time someone tells you something is a lie, you're functionally every bit 01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:31.760 is demoralized as if you believe You believed everything that they told 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.280 you was true. 01:03:33.600 --> 01:03:38.880 if you're just believing everything unthinkingly, uncritically, that's the danger spot. 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:39.200 And 01:03:40.720 --> 01:03:42.640 disbelieving has the same effect. 01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:46.080 If you disbelieve every single thing that anyone tells you, no matter 01:03:46.080 --> 01:03:49.440 how much evidence is brought before you, you're in the same boat. 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.360 You're unanchored from reality. 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.360 And that's the real danger of all this. 01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:56.160 Not only does it deceive people about something like you know, this 01:03:56.160 --> 01:03:58.400 is a religious podcast, we're not saying if you don't believe in 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:00.720 the moon landing, you're going to hell. 01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:05.760 We're saying if you're falling for really dumb excuses for some of 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.280 these things, it's putting you in a position where you can be 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.280 easily deceived. 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.320 Because people are going to come along and say, oh, well, here's 01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:15.920 the next thing they lied to you about. 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:18.240 And frankly, you know, as I said earlier, it's kind of ironic 01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:20.960 for that to be coming from Corey and me on Stone Choir 01:04:21.040 --> 01:04:24.000 because a lot of our episodes are specifically about that. 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.720 But it's why we're very careful to lay out a simple case 01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:28.880 for this where you can go look at the evidence for yourself 01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:30.640 and it doesn't fall apart. 01:04:30.640 --> 01:04:34.400 We could make elaborate arguments for our the things we claim. 01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:35.120 We don't. 01:04:35.120 --> 01:04:40.960 We make simple, straightforward, verifiable arguments because truth is not esoteric. 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:42.960 Truth is not hidden. 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:44.160 It's not secret. 01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:45.680 It's just right there. 01:04:45.680 --> 01:04:49.680 And it's the lie that requires complicity from everyone for it to 01:04:49.680 --> 01:04:53.920 propagate. The truth, just like the truth of their Apollo reentry trajectories, 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:55.680 it's just sitting there waiting for someone to look. 01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:57.600 And when you look, you're like, well, yep, there it is. 01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:59.520 that makes perfect sense. 01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:02.960 We want the arguments that you're willing to accept to be those 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:08.160 arguments that are predicated on truth that are based on something that 01:05:08.160 --> 01:05:12.000 adds up and aren't simply going along either because the Because the 01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:17.040 everyone says believe this because everyone says to believe it, or if 01:05:17.040 --> 01:05:20.080 you're in the minority camp, don't believe anything they tell you. 01:05:20.080 --> 01:05:21.520 Everything they're telling you is a lie. 01:05:21.520 --> 01:05:22.800 You shouldn't fall for that either. 01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:26.160 you're you're in a bad way either in either case. 01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.360 So when you look at stuff like are nukes real? 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:30.720 Is the moon real? 01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:31.840 Is space real? 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:34.800 There are literally people who believe that space is fake and gay. 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.320 They think that outer space doesn't exist, which on a matter of 01:05:38.720 --> 01:05:41.200 theology directly contradicts scripture. 01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:45.680 Scripture repeatedly has God pointing to the heavens, to creation in the 01:05:45.680 --> 01:05:51.280 sky, the stars, all the wonders of creation outside of the earth 01:05:51.520 --> 01:05:53.440 as examples of his glory. 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.760 So when you say space is fake and gay, you're denying scripture. 01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:59.360 You can't do that. 01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:01.760 God put that stuff there to declare his glory. 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.480 And when he talks to us in scripture, he says, look it 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.160 up. This is how awesome I am. 01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:09.040 Look at the stars and see my glory in them. 01:06:09.040 --> 01:06:10.720 They testify to me. 01:06:10.720 --> 01:06:14.160 When we on the earth are saying I don't believe anything's real, 01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:18.560 you either become a nihilist or you become a Gnostic, but you're 01:06:18.560 --> 01:06:19.440 ultimately going to become 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.480 led down a path of spiritual decay. 01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.280 It's not just about getting tricked or falling for some meme on 01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:26.080 the internet. 01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:30.320 It's about being unmoored from the things that actually do matter. 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.760 And so don't lose your bearings as you're navigating this stuff. 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:38.320 Just it's fine to treat things lightly and to work through them 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:43.600 casually. Don't fall for things and don't disbelieve things either because no 01:06:43.600 --> 01:06:44.400 one agrees with them. 01:06:44.720 --> 01:06:45.840 you have to think. 01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:48.080 That's there there's no shortcut for this one. 01:06:48.080 --> 01:06:50.080 You just you have to think things through. 01:06:50.080 --> 01:06:52.800 And if you know that you're just not equipped for that sort 01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:55.520 of thing, and some people aren't, God did not equip some people 01:06:55.520 --> 01:06:57.280 for doing a lot of heavy thinking. 01:06:57.280 --> 01:06:58.000 That's fine. 01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.760 It's nothing to be ashamed of. 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.960 But don't then go listen to Owen Benjamin run his mouth for 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.760 two hours and say, yep, this is I believe all this. 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.400 I'm not going to spend any time investigating the science, but this 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.200 adds up that this comedian is definitely telling me the truth. 01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:14.320 No, he's he's selling something and he's entertaining you. 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.040 I don't care about entertainment, but don't lie to people when you're 01:07:17.040 --> 01:07:18.240 entertaining them. 01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:24.400 Related to nuclear explosions and the shock wave and that front of 01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:26.560 compressed air. 01:07:26.560 --> 01:07:31.840 Some people have spun up crazy theories about the lines that appear 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.120 in some videos of nuclear explosions. 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:39.920 This again is one of those things that is very easily explained 01:07:40.080 --> 01:07:45.120 on the same level as the boot prints on the moon. 01:07:45.120 --> 01:07:49.120 When they were conducting one of the nuclear tests, one of the 01:07:49.120 --> 01:07:54.800 scientists noticed that a cable that was used as a tether for 01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:59.120 a balloon, one of the measuring devices, appeared to have a break 01:07:59.120 --> 01:08:00.000 in it. 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:05.840 But as the video progressed, as the frames progressed Progressed, the brake 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.480 moved along the cable. 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.920 Well, brakes don't move along a cable. 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:14.960 If a cable breaks, the brake is where it is. 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.920 And so obviously it's an optical illusion. 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:24.080 And the optical illusion is going to be caused by basically incandescence, 01:08:24.080 --> 01:08:28.720 the compression of the air, that wall Of air expanding outward, the 01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:33.760 shockwave. It's causing refraction with the light. 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.400 And so they decided to use this because it's very difficult to 01:08:38.400 --> 01:08:43.760 see where that border is when you're trying to see how quickly 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:47.920 the mushroom cloud, how quickly the explosion, whatever it is you're measuring 01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.720 at the time, how quickly that's expanding. 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:54.800 Even when you're using a camera that takes ten thousand frames per 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.400 second, which one of the cameras they used did that. 01:08:58.400 --> 01:09:02.880 But they figured out an ingenious way to test this, to make 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.640 it easier to see where the edge of that shockwave is. 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:07.680 And it's very simple. 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:09.840 They use smoke rockets. 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:10.160 So 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:16.160 right before, as basically as tight a tolerance as they could get, 01:09:16.160 --> 01:09:20.560 right before the nuclear detonation, they launched smoke rockets, that's what you 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.280 see. Those lines are smoke trails. 01:09:23.280 --> 01:09:27.680 And the reason they look bent is because of the effect that 01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:32.480 I just described, this refraction of the light dealing with that wall 01:09:32.480 --> 01:09:34.720 of compressed air moving outward. 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.400 And so they use that as a way to measure how quickly 01:09:38.400 --> 01:09:40.400 the shockwave was expanding. 01:09:40.400 --> 01:09:41.600 And so that's what those are. 01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:46.960 Those are literally just smoke lines created by smoke rockets. 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:53.120 They were used in order to test some of the numbers related 01:09:53.120 --> 01:09:55.840 to the explosion, how quickly things traveled. 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:57.600 It's not some weird 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:01.920 I I've seen all sorts of crazy claims, won't won't go over 01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.520 the exact claims themselves, but it's not a conspiracy. 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:09.280 It's literally just making it easier to see the edge of the 01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:10.560 shockwave. 01:10:11.040 --> 01:10:11.200 So 01:10:11.360 --> 01:10:14.400 the last one we wanted to touch on just briefly today is 01:10:14.400 --> 01:10:15.680 Flat Earth. 01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:21.440 It's probably the stupidest of the entire bunch, and it's also probably 01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:24.480 the most pervasive and persistent. 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:28.400 It i in part because there's historical warrant for it. 01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:33.120 At some point in the past people didn't necessarily understand that the 01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:37.360 world was a globe, that it's a sphere, incidentally like every other 01:10:37.360 --> 01:10:40.480 heavenly body ever discovered. 01:10:40.480 --> 01:10:43.680 And so you know, that's a historical claim. 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:45.760 That that's a it's it's a sort of claim that we do 01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:49.760 make on Stone Choir in other circumstances to say, well, everyone believed 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:50.240 this for a long time 01:10:51.120 --> 01:10:53.680 and then somebody comes along and believes something else. 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:54.480 What do? 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:56.960 Somebody got it wrong, who got it wrong? 01:10:57.200 --> 01:11:00.320 the difference is that when it comes to whether or not the 01:11:00.320 --> 01:11:05.600 earth is flat, people for thousands of years have understood that it 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:06.640 was a globe. 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:11.120 We've understood that we had a shape that was not a pancake. 01:11:11.120 --> 01:11:12.960 I alluded to that o before. 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.720 The Milky Way in every galaxy is basically like a pancake. 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:21.920 It's not two dimensional, but it's oriented as a as a disc. 01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:26.240 that's what God does for certain types of patterns. 01:11:26.240 --> 01:11:29.600 And other patterns are globular. 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:31.040 The moon is a sphere. 01:11:31.040 --> 01:11:32.720 The sun is a sphere. 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.280 All the heavenly bodies are spheres. 01:11:35.280 --> 01:11:38.080 Why? Because that's how gravity works. 01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:45.200 Gravity the collection of mass in space causes there to be a 01:11:45.200 --> 01:11:46.160 center of gravity. 01:11:46.160 --> 01:11:50.720 And then all of that mass naturally orients around the center. 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:55.280 And the more that orientation is self-reinforcing, the the more it collapses 01:11:55.280 --> 01:11:58.560 until you eventually have almost a perfect sphere. 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:02.000 Now, obviously as creationists, we believe that God put all those things 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.280 together, but he didn't put them together haphazardly. 01:12:05.280 --> 01:12:08.960 He put them together pre-assembled for us. 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:12.240 He gave us a globe and put Adam and Eve on it. 01:12:12.240 --> 01:12:16.800 There are other heavenly bodies that are being formed today, or you 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:19.840 know, were formed in the past and we can see the light 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:21.120 appearing today. 01:12:21.120 --> 01:12:26.800 So the physical rules, the physical laws of the universe established by 01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:30.320 God in creation are consistent everywhere. 01:12:30.320 --> 01:12:34.240 I think the stupidest thing about clinging clinging to the 01:12:35.200 --> 01:12:38.880 basic lack of understanding about how the heavens and the earth worked 01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:43.600 from ancient ancient days, is that when you get new evidence, you 01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:44.320 incorporate it. 01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:47.840 And when when it makes more sense than the explanation you had 01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:49.840 before, you're run with it. 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:54.320 And literally nothing that we know about anything would actually work with 01:12:54.320 --> 01:12:55.520 a flat Earth. 01:12:55.920 --> 01:13:00.080 we couldn't have gone to the Moon if the Earth were flat. 01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:02.240 All the math would have been completely off. 01:13:02.240 --> 01:13:03.440 None of it would have worked. 01:13:03.440 --> 01:13:06.320 And as soon as they took off, they would have seen it. 01:13:06.320 --> 01:13:08.880 That's it's one of the things it's part of the reason that 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:13.760 those two conspiracy theories travel together is that the moon landing had 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:14.480 to be fake. 01:13:14.480 --> 01:13:16.960 Because if you put somebody out there and he looks back over 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:20.880 his shoulder and says, Hey, that's a globe, it proves it wrong. 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:23.040 Like that's that's not big-brained. 01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:25.760 You know, forget the geniuses that it took to put a man 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:26.480 in space. 01:13:26.480 --> 01:13:29.120 Once there's a dude sitting up there looking out a window, you 01:13:29.120 --> 01:13:31.040 don't have to be a genius to see that it's not a 01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:33.280 pancake. It's actually a globe. 01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:34.720 When you can make out 01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:38.640 the continents and you can see the oceans and you can know 01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:39.760 that's not the whole earth. 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.840 That's only a part of it that I recognize. 01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.000 The other part's gotta be on the other side. 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:45.360 The moon's the same way. 01:13:45.360 --> 01:13:48.320 Except the moon is tidally locked, so we only ever see one 01:13:48.400 --> 01:13:49.600 side of the moon. 01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:54.000 The earth is turning, the sun is turning, we can see them. 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:58.560 Everything that we know about everything only works if the earth is 01:13:58.560 --> 01:13:59.360 a globe. 01:13:59.360 --> 01:14:02.640 And so this I think is the one that frustrates me the 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:05.600 most, and it's the one which online I have the least patience 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:07.440 for, which is to say zero. 01:14:07.440 --> 01:14:10.080 If someone pops up in my mentions and says, oh flat earth, 01:14:10.080 --> 01:14:13.520 blah blah blah, they're blocked within a half a second. 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.080 I want nothing to do with anyone who is spouting this. 01:14:16.080 --> 01:14:19.280 that stuff for the for the very reason that we we were 01:14:19.280 --> 01:14:22.320 talking about in the Generations episode and the reason we're doing this 01:14:22.320 --> 01:14:25.520 point this episode if you get to the point that you are 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:33.360 a believing completely insane trivially falsifiable things like the earth is flat, 01:14:33.360 --> 01:14:37.920 you're no longer capable of discerning reality at all. 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:41.920 It it's effectively transmissible schizophrenia. 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:46.400 If I can feed you lies and I can fracture your mind 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:52.080 so that suddenly you can't tell real from fake, I've destroyed you. 01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:53.520 you're still alive. 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:56.160 You might still be going to work, but as a human being, 01:14:56.160 --> 01:14:57.920 you're a gibbering idiot. 01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:00.720 You can be cajoled into doing anything at that point. 01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.200 If you'll fall for that sort of lie, uh 01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:05.920 you're you're lost. 01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.880 And I I don't block to be mean, it's just I want 01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:09.760 nothing to do with it. 01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:13.120 And I'm s I'm severe about it online because I want to 01:15:13.120 --> 01:15:16.400 get across that this is not a small matter. 01:15:16.400 --> 01:15:18.080 It's not a matter of salvation. 01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:20.720 It's not that if you have the wrong cosmology or the law 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:24.400 long wrong idea about the shape of the earth, you can't go 01:15:24.400 --> 01:15:25.440 to heaven. 01:15:25.440 --> 01:15:27.920 Obviously, there were people at some point that had no idea, they 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:28.880 didn't care. 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:30.960 Whatever. It's not salvific. 01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:34.720 However, if you crack your head open, you're gonna let demons in. 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:38.560 If you start letting lies in like this stuff that's so trivially 01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:42.880 falsified, it's a danger to your soul for the other reasons. 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:46.640 Cause some when you crack your head open, whether it's with DMT 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.080 or it's with stupid YouTube videos or stuff Or stuff like the 01:15:50.080 --> 01:15:55.760 paranormies, eventually something evil is gonna say, Hey, this this is a 01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.960 a waterless space, this is wide open, I'm gonna come here and 01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:00.160 I'm gonna have a party. 01:16:00.160 --> 01:16:04.960 That's the danger, and that's why I care because uh i can't 01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:09.680 reason with someone who's beyond reason by definition that's that's tautological if 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:16.080 you will if you will reject plain facts and accept plain lies 01:16:16.480 --> 01:16:18.560 i cannot have a conversation with you. 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:19.600 Maybe somebody else can. 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.400 I hope someone will try, but it's not going to be me. 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.840 it's all we can do to try to get these things across 01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:28.800 to people who haven't yet lost their minds, and to try to 01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:32.000 protect some people from going down the path of losing their minds. 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.320 Because that's that's what fundamentally happens. 01:16:34.320 --> 01:16:37.760 You start making up these crazy stories, and they are crazy. 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.800 That's the reason we're talking about this right after last week's. 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:44.720 Because everyone says that last week's is crazy too. 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:48.400 When they get lumped together, people throw up their hands or either 01:16:48.480 --> 01:16:51.520 like you said, either they believe everything or they deny everything. 01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:55.200 They're independent facts or they're independent lies. 01:16:55.200 --> 01:16:58.240 And when someone's lying to you, the the gate the goal is 01:16:58.240 --> 01:17:00.160 always to to harm you. 01:17:00.160 --> 01:17:03.920 Lies are always told to harm people, whether it's to steal or 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:08.480 just to deceive or to humiliate, or maybe just to soften them 01:17:08.480 --> 01:17:11.680 up so that later on something worse can happen to them. 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:13.600 But it's never good for you. 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:17.280 It's why Cory and I are so adamant about the truth, even 01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:20.320 even when it makes people really dislike us. 01:17:20.400 --> 01:17:22.640 No one likes hearing the truth most of the time. 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:26.400 It's not popular to say something unpopular. 01:17:26.400 --> 01:17:29.200 And these that's part of the trick is that these things like 01:17:29.200 --> 01:17:31.600 flat earth are also unpopular. 01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:34.000 So they say, look, it no one likes us either. 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:34.720 We must be right. 01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:35.840 We must be edgy. 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.880 We must be in the vanguard of the truth because everyone thinks 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:39.760 we're insane. 01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:41.760 Well, unfortunately sometimes it's true. 01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.920 Some t some people need the padded room because they're so far 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:49.040 gone that you gotta bring them back forcibly. 01:17:49.040 --> 01:17:52.240 You can't bring them back with reason. 01:17:52.240 --> 01:17:52.480 I 01:17:52.480 --> 01:17:57.600 think part of the problem when people discuss the supposed flat Earth 01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:00.800 is they mix up 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.960 a few different types of narratives. 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:11.600 And so they'll take mythology, which figuratively or symbolically describes the earth 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.520 as being flat, and take that as a scientific treatise. 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:17.200 These are very different things. 01:18:17.200 --> 01:18:23.360 If you're reading European mythology and it describes The earth is as 01:18:23.360 --> 01:18:26.640 a disc and you have the world tree in the center, it's 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.880 not giving you a literal description of the physical world. 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:32.800 This is mythological. 01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:36.080 And the same thing is true in various other mythologies as well. 01:18:36.400 --> 01:18:41.120 There's no need to go into the details of those. 01:18:41.120 --> 01:18:44.960 But you have these descriptions that are poetic, you have that in 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.560 the Greeks, or symbolic. 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:52.160 They're not meant to be taken as a literal description of the 01:18:52.160 --> 01:18:55.200 actual physical shape of the earth. 01:18:55.200 --> 01:18:59.760 Yes, historically there were some people who did literally believe that the 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:00.800 earth was flat. 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.200 They had r no reason not to believe that because they didn't 01:19:03.200 --> 01:19:07.120 have evidence one way or the other. 01:19:07.120 --> 01:19:11.520 Because in their daily experience, there wasn't really 01:19:13.040 --> 01:19:15.440 I wouldn't say a way for them to test it because it's 01:19:15.440 --> 01:19:17.360 very easy to test. 01:19:17.360 --> 01:19:21.440 But there was nothing in their daily experience that would conclusively show 01:19:21.440 --> 01:19:23.360 them no the earth is actually round. 01:19:23.360 --> 01:19:24.640 It must be round. 01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:30.000 You could explain it as being round or being flat, with what 01:19:30.160 --> 01:19:33.600 say the average peasant saw in his daily life. 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:39.440 However, using only high school math, you can figure out not only 01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:43.440 that the Earth is a sphere, it's actually an oblate spheroid, but 01:19:43.440 --> 01:19:46.800 we'll say sphere because saying the other one sounds silly and it 01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:47.920 takes too long. 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:50.160 But you can figure out that the Earth is a sphere and 01:19:50.160 --> 01:19:53.520 you can not only figure out the shape, you can figure out 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:55.680 the circumference of the Earth. 01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:58.480 It's not very hard to do. 01:19:58.480 --> 01:20:04.960 And it was calculated many centuries ago, and there were also many 01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:08.720 who believed that the Earth was, they believe correctly, the earth is 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:16.160 a sphere, Pythagoras being one, Aristotle being another, many medieval scholars 01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:20.800 could list many names, but the Greek gentlemen, who actually calculated 01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:25.280 the circumference of the earth, the first of which we know, was 01:20:25.280 --> 01:20:31.680 Eratosthenes, and he was born in two seventy six BC. 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:37.520 So this was thousands of years ago, and he calculated the circumference 01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:42.480 of the earth within two percent. 01:20:42.480 --> 01:20:45.840 And he did that with nothing more than 01:20:47.120 --> 01:20:52.640 a well a well, an obelisk, and some Greek dude that he 01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:54.960 paid to walk eight hundred kilometers 01:20:56.080 --> 01:20:58.480 and count his steps. 01:20:58.480 --> 01:20:59.760 So what he did 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:07.920 was he measured the shadow in one location in Egypt, and then 01:21:08.240 --> 01:21:12.960 measured a shadow in another location in Egypt at the same time. 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:19.520 Now if you do that, you can figure out the angle at 01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:24.960 which the light is hitting the obelisk by the shadow it is 01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:29.040 casting, and if you compare the angles, you can figure out very 01:21:29.040 --> 01:21:32.560 easily using just again high school math 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:38.320 whether the surface is flat or round. 01:21:38.320 --> 01:21:42.320 Because if it's flat, the shadows will be the same, because you 01:21:42.320 --> 01:21:46.560 have one source of light, the sun, hitting these two 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:51.440 whatever they happen to be, he would use an obelisk or something 01:21:51.440 --> 01:21:53.920 similar. You could do this with a stick if you were so 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:57.680 inclined. But the shadows will be the same. 01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:00.480 You're dealing with the same angles, if they're the same height, it'll 01:22:00.480 --> 01:22:03.760 be the same length, and that's the case if the earth is 01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:09.040 flat. As it turns out, the shadow in the first location where 01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:14.400 he was located in Alexandria, was significantly longer. 01:22:14.400 --> 01:22:20.560 Because the earth is a sphere, and so the light is hitting 01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:26.400 them at the same angle, but they are located in different positions 01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:28.720 on the surface of a sphere. 01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:30.960 And so the shadow cast is different. 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:36.240 I'll link a video in the show notes that will explain exactly 01:22:36.240 --> 01:22:37.280 what he did. 01:22:37.280 --> 01:22:39.440 It's from Carl Sagan. 01:22:39.440 --> 01:22:42.480 You can say whatever you want about him, but the information is 01:22:42.480 --> 01:22:46.000 accurate in the very short video on this. 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.800 And so he calculated the circumference of the earth, and as I 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.840 said, he was off by less than two percent. 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.640 This is not This is not something that is difficult to do. 01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:59.520 This is not something that you couldn't go out and do right 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:01.360 now if you were so inclined. 01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:05.600 This doesn't even take five hundred or thousand dollars worth of hardware, 01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:07.440 which is what you'd have to do if you wanted to bounce 01:23:07.440 --> 01:23:11.440 the laser off the retro reflector on the moon, still very doable, 01:23:11.440 --> 01:23:12.720 more expensive. 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:17.840 This can be done with some sticks, some time, and a lot 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.640 of walking, and then a little bit of math. 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:23.440 We know that the Earth is a sphere. 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:28.720 If you've flown anywhere, you've seen that the Earth is a sphere. 01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:30.960 You can tell when you're in a plane, the Earth is a 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:32.560 sphere, there's no doubt. 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.200 If you live near the ocean, you can tell the Earth is 01:23:35.280 --> 01:23:40.880 a sphere because you can watch ships sail over the edge. 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:45.200 They're not sailing over the edge, they're not falling off the disk. 01:23:45.200 --> 01:23:47.120 They're simply sailing over the horizon 01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.280 because they are sailing far enough away that the curvature of the 01:23:51.280 --> 01:23:53.360 earth hides them from your view. 01:23:53.360 --> 01:23:56.640 The same thing happens if you're out in the ocean and you're 01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.480 approaching or receding from an island, or if you or if you 01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:06.400 have the misfortune of having wind turbines, windmills out in the water 01:24:06.400 --> 01:24:09.280 where you are, you can see that you can see the top 01:24:09.280 --> 01:24:11.680 of them in some places, and if they're farther away, then they 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:16.240 start to disappear beyond the horizon This is something that is very 01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:20.080 easily verified in modern life. 01:24:20.080 --> 01:24:24.320 There's no reason to believe that the earth is flat. 01:24:24.320 --> 01:24:27.280 It just makes you sound like an insane person. 01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:29.040 Of course, that's the point. 01:24:29.040 --> 01:24:32.800 Because if you start to believe things that are insane, you start 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:35.520 to become untethered from reality itself. 01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:38.480 You become untethered from the truth. 01:24:38.480 --> 01:24:41.760 Do you Just because you have been lied to about a great 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:44.960 many things in life, and that is most certainly true, we've gone 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:48.400 over a number of some of the big ones and some small 01:24:48.400 --> 01:24:51.920 ones. But just because you've been lied to about certain things in 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:56.480 life does not mean that you've been lied to about everything, particularly 01:24:56.480 --> 01:25:00.720 something that you can go outside and see with your own eyes. 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.320 Go stand on a really tall mountain and you can see the 01:25:04.320 --> 01:25:08.400 curvature. Or go stand next to the ocean or just a large 01:25:08.400 --> 01:25:12.960 lake. This is something you can see and verify with your own 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:13.840 eyes 01:25:15.280 --> 01:25:18.160 relatively easily. 01:25:18.240 --> 01:25:20.400 I think one of the things that people have trouble with 01:25:21.440 --> 01:25:27.520 is the sheer scale of space, including the Earth itself. 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:31.680 The Earth's diameter is about a little over seven thousand nine hundred 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:33.760 miles across, depending on where you measure it. 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:39.680 I think it's about seventy-nine twenty-six at the at the equator. 01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:45.440 When you see videos from low Earth orbit, for example when Jeff 01:25:45.440 --> 01:25:49.520 Bezos took his rocket up when he he did his launch, he 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:52.720 went up sixty-six miles. 01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:56.960 Sixty-six miles is a long way to fall, but in terms of 01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:02.160 a globe that's over 7900 miles across, he barely got off the 01:26:02.160 --> 01:26:06.800 surface. And so when you do see videos from great heights, there's 01:26:07.040 --> 01:26:10.480 there's a perceptible curve, but it's very small. 01:26:10.480 --> 01:26:12.960 As Corey said, there are various examples you can see from the 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:16.240 ground, and it becomes clearer the higher you go. 01:26:16.240 --> 01:26:20.320 But no matter how high humans go, up to the point of 01:26:20.400 --> 01:26:23.600 you know, the space shuttle when we had one and the space 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:26.400 stations, they're all in low Earth orbit. 01:26:26.400 --> 01:26:28.720 They're only a couple hundred miles up. 01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:30.480 That's not very far at all. 01:26:30.480 --> 01:26:33.840 If you're up two hundred and fifty miles and the planet is 01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:35.440 seventy nine hundred miles across, 01:26:36.400 --> 01:26:42.320 you're small in terms of distance relative to the immensity of the 01:26:42.320 --> 01:26:44.400 planet beneath you. 01:26:44.400 --> 01:26:47.680 Which is I think one of the things is tricky when people 01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:49.680 see stuff from space. 01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:51.600 One of the one of the things that will happen when you're 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:57.040 looking at video from space is that camera lenses themselves will impart 01:26:57.040 --> 01:26:58.560 a degree of curvature. 01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:00.640 And it's easy to misread the curvature from 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:07.760 a camera lens and mistake that for the curvature of a planet 01:27:08.080 --> 01:27:08.400 because 01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:10.960 it will it's swap. 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:13.680 You know, if if you see if the camera seems like it's 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:18.720 has shows a curved horizon and you pan across, it's actually possible 01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:22.160 if it's a fisheye lens for the curvature to swap. 01:27:22.160 --> 01:27:25.120 So the the it looked like the horizon was in one direction 01:27:25.360 --> 01:27:28.000 and then it will curve in the other direction. 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:31.840 That means that it's a fisheye and it's not a neutral perspective 01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:34.080 from the camera. 01:27:34.080 --> 01:27:36.960 We don't need to speculate on whether or not the Earth is 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:37.680 a globe. 01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:40.000 There's literally a satellite in orbit right now 01:27:41.360 --> 01:27:42.960 at a high Earth orbit. 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:45.200 It's at 22,000 miles away. 01:27:45.200 --> 01:27:48.960 So it's three times further away from Earth than the diameter of 01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:53.120 Earth. That's more than enough distance to get some perspective. 01:27:53.120 --> 01:27:57.200 It's called Himawari Nine, it's a Japanese satellite that they put up 01:27:57.200 --> 01:28:01.040 in order to monitor weather patterns because in Japan, you know, they 01:28:01.040 --> 01:28:02.560 get a lot of typhoons. 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:06.000 It matters to them a great deal to detect and predict if 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:10.000 there's a possibility of severe weather coming from the sea because they're 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:11.280 surrounded by it. 01:28:11.280 --> 01:28:16.720 So there's a camera up there continuously transmitting the entire globe in 01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:19.040 color. All the time. 01:28:19.040 --> 01:28:20.800 You can find videos on on YouTube. 01:28:21.120 --> 01:28:21.920 we'll link one of them. 01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:24.640 I know if there's a there's a live feed somewhere, a almost 01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:28.080 live feed showing the regular transmission of this data. 01:28:28.080 --> 01:28:29.600 You can see the thing turning. 01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:33.440 It's twenty two thousand miles away, looking back over its shoulder at 01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:37.280 us. It's looking at the planet that God created for us. 01:28:37.280 --> 01:28:42.400 So again, like this stuff is so trivially falsifiable that someone has 01:28:42.400 --> 01:28:45.760 to believe that everything they're hearing is a lie in order to 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:49.280 believe any of what they tell you about this stuff. 01:28:49.280 --> 01:28:55.120 And as I mentioned at the beginning, fundamentally there's an element of 01:28:55.120 --> 01:29:01.840 mind control to shaking someone's confidence in reality, to to snatching them 01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:05.920 away from what they know and substituting some other thing. 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:08.960 As I said, something Corey and I are sensitive to because this 01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:14.400 podcast doesn't certainly intend to dislodge you from reality, but we intend 01:29:14.400 --> 01:29:18.240 to carve out those places where what we perceive as reality has 01:29:18.240 --> 01:29:21.360 been malformed, which again is it it's what the flat earth guys 01:29:21.360 --> 01:29:22.560 are trying to do too. 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:26.800 It's potentially a noble cause, but you have to also be right. 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:29.200 It's not just enough to say I want to be a red 01:29:29.200 --> 01:29:30.000 pill dispenser. 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.000 I want to tell everyone all the hard truths. 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:33.360 Well, whatever. 01:29:33.360 --> 01:29:34.320 Tell the truth. 01:29:34.320 --> 01:29:37.600 And if the truth is hard to swallow, that's maybe a separate 01:29:38.160 --> 01:29:41.600 conversation. The truth shouldn't be hard to swallow if it is, there's 01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:43.760 probably something else going on. 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:45.360 I want to read this quote. 01:29:45.360 --> 01:29:48.880 It came up on 4chan about eight years ago on the subject 01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:52.000 of John Oliver's show from Comedy Central. 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:55.280 You know, it's a 30-minute show where they'll do brief skits and 01:29:55.280 --> 01:29:57.920 he talks about the news and everybody laughs. 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:02.400 This description of how that show is conducted, I think, is a 01:30:02.400 --> 01:30:06.880 great microcosm of how some of this stuff plays out and how 01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:12.480 our perceptions get twisted by just how information is coming into us. 01:30:12.480 --> 01:30:16.320 So the post reads as follows The subject of John Oliver came 01:30:16.320 --> 01:30:20.160 up when a colleague, a fellow psychologist, and I were discussing politics 01:30:20.240 --> 01:30:21.440 a few months ago. 01:30:21.440 --> 01:30:24.960 Although we were both in agreement regarding the general inanity of the 01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:28.560 HBO show, my friend was surprised when I explained that the real 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:33.200 insidiousness of its unmistakably hypnotic structure and pacing. 01:30:33.200 --> 01:30:35.920 I ended up pulling up an episode or two off YouTube to 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.200 show her what I meant. 01:30:37.200 --> 01:30:40.080 All the segments I've ever seen from this show follow the same 01:30:40.080 --> 01:30:44.960 repetitive format, present some argumentation and facts, quote unquote, for about ten 01:30:45.120 --> 01:30:49.520 seconds, then quickly follow these up with a snarky quip, which themselves 01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:54.640 overwhelmingly take the form of complete non sequitur or otherwise absurd metaphor, 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:58.480 before any rational processing of the preceding argument can take place in 01:30:58.480 --> 01:31:00.320 the mind of the viewer. 01:31:00.320 --> 01:31:03.280 Further telling is that the only beats or mental pauses in the 01:31:03.280 --> 01:31:07.760 show's pace exist solely to highlight the approving laughter of the studio 01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:12.400 audience. Repeat the same basic formula without variation 20 to 40 times 01:31:12.400 --> 01:31:14.800 in a row, and you have one of the twelve to twenty 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:18.320 minute segments that form the backbone of the show. 01:31:18.320 --> 01:31:22.400 The end effect is obviously not to deliver information, but rather to 01:31:22.400 --> 01:31:27.360 literally teach the viewers on a subconscious level to mentally associate derisive 01:31:27.360 --> 01:31:30.480 laughter with any person or opinion that is at odds with the 01:31:30.480 --> 01:31:32.880 narrative's take on the chosen issue. 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:36.960 And it accomplishes this by maintaining a strict adherence to a roughly 01:31:37.040 --> 01:31:41.760 20-second cycle in which a stimulus is presented and response is cued. 01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:44.880 This is the sense in which the show is fundamentally hypnotic in 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:48.880 effect, even more so than its precursors in the genre, Daily Show, 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:50.080 Colbert, etc. 01:31:50.240 --> 01:31:54.880 To my mind, Oliver's show is representative of the media's increasing mastery 01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:57.440 of the methodologies of mass conditioning. 01:31:57.440 --> 01:32:01.280 In fact, it is almost such a perfect technical accomplishment that I 01:32:01.280 --> 01:32:04.880 would almost have to admire it on technical grounds, which moreover is 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:08.560 in the hands of the entirely wrong people. 01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:13.600 I think that this exemplifies one aspect of what goes on when 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:19.040 you have guys like Benjamin and others who they're fundamentally just trying 01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:22.480 to get attention, they want to make people laugh, fine. 01:32:22.480 --> 01:32:27.680 It's one thing if it's entertainment, but if entertainment becomes the backbone 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.960 of your belief system, your toast. 01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.880 That's not that's not how you approach reality. 01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:37.680 It's not how you approach anything important. 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:38.560 And so 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:40.080 when 01:32:41.040 --> 01:32:45.280 things that get called conspiracy theories all get labeled the same and 01:32:45.280 --> 01:32:49.440 they all get packaged together, the ridicule element of the Oliver show 01:32:49.440 --> 01:32:50.720 comes into play. 01:32:50.720 --> 01:32:54.000 Because the same guys who are telling you that the Earth is 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:57.840 flat and we didn't land on the moon and nukes aren't real, 01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.000 a lot of those are also telling you what we told you 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:01.280 last week. 01:33:01.280 --> 01:33:07.200 And naturally, if you discredit any of those claims, you know that 01:33:07.200 --> 01:33:08.640 the person is full of crap. 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:11.120 And so if the person is full of crap, why would you 01:33:11.120 --> 01:33:14.720 want to believe one of their harebrain claims, even if it happens 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:15.520 to be true? 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.560 You're not ever going to pay attention because once you discredit one 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:19.760 of them, you're out. 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:21.360 Don't Don't listen to liars. 01:33:21.360 --> 01:33:22.880 Don't listen to crazy people. 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:24.880 I completely advocate that. 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:29.200 Stay away from people who are selling insane things. 01:33:29.200 --> 01:33:30.160 It's bad for you. 01:33:30.160 --> 01:33:31.120 It's bad for your soul. 01:33:31.120 --> 01:33:32.720 It's bad for your mind. 01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:38.000 Part of the reason that these things are permitted to exist in 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:44.720 public discourse is that it creates this tar pit where guys who 01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:47.520 are willing to listen to things like last week's episode 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:55.200 can't differentiate between true revisionist history that says, you know what, here's 01:33:55.120 --> 01:33:58.560 some very fundamental facts that undermine the whole thing. 01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:02.160 That looks to the the same to their mind as when someone 01:34:02.160 --> 01:34:05.040 comes along and say, Did you know there was a camera recording 01:34:05.040 --> 01:34:06.320 of a nuke explosion? 01:34:06.320 --> 01:34:10.400 And cameras are nuke proof, so that means that nukes aren't real. 01:34:10.400 --> 01:34:14.000 Or they say that Earth is flat and I can prove it, 01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:18.080 and here's this diagram, or here's some math that you can't understand. 01:34:18.080 --> 01:34:21.440 And if they're strident enough or they seem smart enough, they're never 01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:22.000 very smart. 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:22.720 That's another thing. 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.280 Corey and I watched a bunch of videos from these people in 01:34:25.280 --> 01:34:26.480 preparation for this. 01:34:26.480 --> 01:34:28.320 They're all dumb. 01:34:28.320 --> 01:34:31.040 Oh, and Benjamin's not dumb, but he's not he doesn't he don't 01:34:31.040 --> 01:34:32.400 I don't think he believes this stuff. 01:34:32.400 --> 01:34:34.240 I think he's just a straight up liar. 01:34:34.240 --> 01:34:36.560 I think he knows that he's deceiving people. 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:40.000 It doesn't matter because everyone else down downstream, they're dumb. 01:34:40.240 --> 01:34:43.600 they're they're not intelligent men. 01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:47.280 Again, I don't want to be cruel by saying that, but some 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:51.120 some men are not equipped to handle orbital mechanics. 01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:54.400 If your first instinct would not be to say, I wonder what 01:34:54.400 --> 01:34:58.320 the return trajectory was from an Earth orbit versus a moon orbit, 01:34:58.320 --> 01:35:01.600 maybe you're just not equipped to tackle these subjects, and that's fine. 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:05.520 But don't let someone come along and give you a bad explanation 01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:08.720 for why you should disbelieve an obvious thing. 01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:12.880 And so by permitting insane, clearly falsifiable 01:35:14.080 --> 01:35:16.880 claims to exist alongside 01:35:18.240 --> 01:35:21.680 things like last week's episode like the Holocaust, which is it's also 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:22.720 an insane claim. 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:27.360 It's also plainly falsifiable, except it's in the opposite direction because what 01:35:27.360 --> 01:35:30.640 we were told was the thing that was manufactured. 01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:32.800 Whereas they want you to believe the same thing is true of 01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:35.360 things that are clearly provable. 01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:38.880 And that's why fundamentally this all comes down to individuals weighing evidence. 01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:41.360 We described you last week as jurists. 01:35:41.360 --> 01:35:43.040 We're all jurists every day. 01:35:43.040 --> 01:35:45.840 We're the finders of fact with whatever's coming in. 01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:49.680 We shouldn't just be neutrally absorbing everything and say, okay, I believe 01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:50.720 the next thing I read. 01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:52.320 Okay, that's fine. 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:56.480 It's particularly pernicious because anyone who's an expert in a field, whenever 01:35:56.480 --> 01:35:59.120 they read something in the newspaper, is always going to tear his 01:35:59.120 --> 01:35:59.760 hair out. 01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:02.240 Because if you know something about the field, you know how poorly 01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:03.840 written the article is. 01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:06.320 And yet you go on to read the very next article and 01:36:06.320 --> 01:36:10.640 just sagely scrub your your chin and say, yes, I'm better informed 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:12.480 now that I've read about this. 01:36:12.480 --> 01:36:13.760 They get everything wrong. 01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:17.280 Reporters are not bright people, and they're also deceptive, and they're entertainers. 01:36:17.280 --> 01:36:20.560 They're there to sell a narrative and to sell advertising. 01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:20.880 So 01:36:22.080 --> 01:36:27.680 don't let someone create an environment where you can get swept up 01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:31.280 by someone saying, I can't believe anything, it's all lies. 01:36:31.360 --> 01:36:34.560 Just as you shouldn't be falling for everything that the newspaper prints 01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:35.600 or anything else. 01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:38.800 I don't want to say be skeptical all the time because that 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:42.480 can lead to the sort of red pill overdose that causes you 01:36:42.480 --> 01:36:46.560 to lose your mind, but just make sure it adds up and 01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:47.600 be inquisitive. 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:50.960 It's okay to say I need to see more proof before I'm 01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:51.920 gonna buy that. 01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:53.840 That's a perfectly reasonable thing. 01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:56.960 But if someone who's always credible comes to you with something, it 01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:59.440 should have more weight than someone who's a comedian. 01:37:00.080 --> 01:37:04.400 It's two fundamentally different purposes, and you should receive what they're telling 01:37:04.400 --> 01:37:06.400 you differently. 01:37:06.400 --> 01:37:10.800 Both in the last episode and in this episode, 01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:11.040 in 01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:11.600 a very 01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:17.440 core sense what we are dealing with is propaganda. 01:37:17.440 --> 01:37:21.760 In the last episode we dealt with propaganda we could call it 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:25.040 positive propaganda, the creation of a lie. 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:30.640 In this episode we're dealing with negative propaganda, which is the destruction 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:31.920 of the truth. 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:36.480 Both of course result in the destruction of the truth ultimately, but 01:37:36.480 --> 01:37:38.880 coming at it from different angles. 01:37:39.360 --> 01:37:42.000 This is Marxist propaganda. 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:45.200 Now, it's not to say that all of those who are engaged 01:37:45.200 --> 01:37:48.800 in this are willing or witting Marxists, of course they're not. 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:51.040 Many of them are just idiots. 01:37:51.040 --> 01:37:52.960 Some of them are malicious, many of them are 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:56.720 just dumb. 01:37:56.720 --> 01:38:00.000 But the end result is the same. 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:05.680 The baby boomer generation was the perfect Marxist generation in the sense 01:38:06.480 --> 01:38:13.040 that they were completely demoralized, so propagandized that they basically lost the 01:38:13.040 --> 01:38:17.520 ability to hear the truth if it runs counter to what they 01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:19.040 were told. 01:38:19.040 --> 01:38:23.360 That's of course the goal of Marxist propaganda. 01:38:23.360 --> 01:38:27.600 However, or I guess I should say that was the goal, now 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:28.240 there is 01:38:29.440 --> 01:38:32.480 a modified version of that goal. 01:38:32.480 --> 01:38:38.000 The goal of the current generation of propaganda is to deprive you 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:41.200 of the ability to process the truth. 01:38:41.200 --> 01:38:45.360 It's not simply to instill lies in you, because if you instill 01:38:45.360 --> 01:38:50.560 lies in someone and make them basically impregnable when it comes to 01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:54.240 the truth, you've accomplished one sort of thing. 01:38:54.240 --> 01:38:57.760 But if you make it so that a person cannot even process 01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:03.360 the truth at all, you've accomplished something different, and if you are 01:39:03.360 --> 01:39:06.400 a malicious actor something greater. 01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:13.280 If you start to uncritically believe all sorts of insane claims, you 01:39:13.280 --> 01:39:15.280 lose the ability to process the truth. 01:39:15.280 --> 01:39:17.520 You become untethered from reality. 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:22.800 But you can accomplish the same by not believing anything. 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:28.080 So again, as was mentioned earlier, you can become a nihilist, believe 01:39:28.080 --> 01:39:34.640 in nothing, or you can become so wildly credulous that you assess 01:39:35.040 --> 01:39:38.960 nothing, just everything is true and I accept whatever I'm told. 01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:42.000 Neither outcome is good. 01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:47.920 Neither outcome is something a Christian should permit himself to become. 01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:52.080 As a Christian, you are told to test the spirits. 01:39:52.080 --> 01:39:56.000 That doesn't just mean claims about religion. 01:39:56.000 --> 01:40:00.000 You should test every truth claim insofar as God has made you 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:04.160 capable. If God is not made you capable, then you need other 01:40:04.480 --> 01:40:08.240 men in your life whom you can trust, who can assess those 01:40:08.240 --> 01:40:09.840 claims for you. 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:14.080 It's why it's vitally important to know whom you can trust and 01:40:14.080 --> 01:40:16.800 whom you cannot trust. 01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:21.360 If you can trust a man and he understands the subject, then 01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:23.360 you can trust the conclusions 01:40:24.240 --> 01:40:27.760 he he draws out of that subject the conclusions that he shares 01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:28.800 with you. 01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:29.760 And that is 01:40:31.040 --> 01:40:33.360 part of what all of us need to do when it comes 01:40:33.360 --> 01:40:37.840 to these subjects, because there is no single man who can assess 01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:41.120 all of these claims and understand all of them? 01:40:41.120 --> 01:40:44.560 By that I don't mean the claims in this episode or the 01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:50.400 claims in this podcast series or the podcast more generally. 01:40:50.400 --> 01:40:54.240 I mean all of the claims in the modern world because all 01:40:54.240 --> 01:40:58.240 of us are specialized to some degree in what we do, and 01:40:58.240 --> 01:41:01.040 you cannot specialize in everything. 01:41:01.040 --> 01:41:05.440 There was an era in the past when the wealth of knowledge, 01:41:05.440 --> 01:41:10.960 the sum total of the store of human knowledge, was small enough 01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:14.720 that one man could in fact master all of it in his 01:41:14.720 --> 01:41:19.840 lifetime. It would take a particularly gifted man, of course, but it 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:21.120 was still possible. 01:41:21.120 --> 01:41:24.560 That is absolutely not possible today. 01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:29.120 The average man would struggle to master a single field today, given 01:41:29.120 --> 01:41:32.000 the store of knowledge that we have. 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:35.760 And so there is no way that anyone can tell you reasonably 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.480 that you must go out and become an expert in everything and 01:41:38.480 --> 01:41:39.280 assess everything. 01:41:39.280 --> 01:41:40.960 That's not what we're saying. 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:44.640 That would be to drive you into sheer insanity because it would 01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:50.960 be or probably despair because it would be absolutely unattainable. 01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:56.960 What you have to be able to do is assess the reliability, 01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:01.360 and the truthfulness of other men, so you know whom to trust, 01:42:01.360 --> 01:42:06.080 and also use what God gave you to assess claims. 01:42:06.080 --> 01:42:12.400 Now, as with the medieval peasant and the shape of the earth, 01:42:12.400 --> 01:42:15.680 there are going to be things that do not matter to you. 01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:18.960 You don't have to worry about those if they don't involve you, 01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:20.800 if they don't matter to you. 01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:26.400 But when there are claims that are advanced that make claims about 01:42:26.400 --> 01:42:31.200 God's creation, that make claims about Christianity, that make claims about your 01:42:31.200 --> 01:42:36.240 nation, your history, your people, you have to be able to assess 01:42:36.240 --> 01:42:40.000 those to some degree. 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.440 Some of the claims that you need to assess are going to 01:42:43.440 --> 01:42:45.520 be relatively simple. 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.480 As I mentioned with the shape of the earth, you could literally 01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:52.400 go out and with high school math figure out the shape of 01:42:52.400 --> 01:42:55.680 the earth if you just have a bit of patience and don't 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:57.360 mind some walking. 01:42:57.360 --> 01:43:02.560 Those are the sorts of things where it's just inexcusable to believe 01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:07.760 what is false, because what is true is so readily verifiable. 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:11.440 If it is a more esoteric claim, and you don't have reason 01:43:11.440 --> 01:43:14.880 to believe one way or the other, then don't believe one way 01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:15.680 or the other. 01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:19.600 You don't have to take a stand on every single issue, despite 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:23.040 what social media has led some people to believe. 01:43:23.040 --> 01:43:26.160 If you don't know about a subject, you don't have to have 01:43:26.160 --> 01:43:28.160 an opinion on it. 01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:34.080 I don't have any opinions when it comes to quantum chemistry. 01:43:34.080 --> 01:43:37.520 I don't know enough about the field to have any opinions, and 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:40.800 so if you asked me a question about something in that field, 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:43.520 I would say I don't know. 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.440 And that is a fine thing to say. 01:43:45.440 --> 01:43:49.040 In fact, the men you should never trust are the men who 01:43:49.040 --> 01:43:51.920 never say I don't know. 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:56.160 Because those men are definitely lying to you, because every man 01:43:57.520 --> 01:44:01.840 has to at times say, I do not know, because there will 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:03.840 be things you do not know. 01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:05.440 You're not an expert in everything. 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:07.280 I'm not an expert in everything. 01:44:07.280 --> 01:44:09.360 Woe isn't an expert in everything. 01:44:09.360 --> 01:44:12.240 No man is an expert in everything. 01:44:12.240 --> 01:44:16.080 And so an honest man must be willing and able to say 01:44:16.400 --> 01:44:18.560 I do not know. 01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:18.720 No 01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:23.360 The claims we're talking about here, and the reason we picked these 01:44:23.360 --> 01:44:28.320 ones, these are the sorts of claims that are designed to make 01:44:28.320 --> 01:44:34.640 you doubt reality itself, to drive you into insanity, to make you 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:37.680 incapable of assessing the truth. 01:44:37.680 --> 01:44:40.560 And that's why it's important to get these ones right. 01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:43.680 You don't need to know everything about the moon landing. 01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:46.320 You're not a seven-year-old learning about diamonds. 01:44:46.320 --> 01:44:49.120 You don't have to memorize every single fact. 01:44:49.120 --> 01:44:53.360 But the core reality it is vital to get that right. 01:44:53.360 --> 01:44:54.800 We did go to the moon. 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:56.240 We did land on the moon. 01:44:56.240 --> 01:45:00.480 We left evidence of the landing on the moon. 01:45:00.480 --> 01:45:01.840 Not litter. 01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:03.920 We may have left a little of that as well, but we 01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:05.200 left retro reflectors. 01:45:05.200 --> 01:45:06.960 We left proof. 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:09.360 We have proof of nuclear weapons. 01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:16.480 We have video, photos, eyewitness accounts, we have extensive proof that they're 01:45:16.480 --> 01:45:19.520 real. We know the shape of the Earth, because again you can 01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:23.920 calculate it, and we have satellites in orbit feeding real time images 01:45:24.080 --> 01:45:25.360 of the surface of the earth. 01:45:25.360 --> 01:45:30.800 I will link the one that was mentioned in the show notes. 01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:35.840 And so as Christians, these sorts of claims, we need to get 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:38.480 them right. 01:45:38.480 --> 01:45:43.200 Because if you lose the ability to assess truth in one area, 01:45:43.200 --> 01:45:45.520 that will spread to others. 01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.120 You will lose the ability to assess truth in other parts of 01:45:49.120 --> 01:45:51.120 your life. 01:45:51.120 --> 01:45:56.960 And Christianity, fundamentally, at its core, is a truth claim. 01:45:56.960 --> 01:46:03.120 Because the truth claim of Christianity is that Jesus Christ is God. 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:06.640 Jesus Christ died on the cross. 01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:12.640 Jesus Christ died on the cross as a substitute for you. 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:14.720 And if you have faith in that, 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:21.280 in those facts, in those statements of truth, then you will be 01:46:21.280 --> 01:46:24.480 saved. Now, of course, I'm not saying that you just have to 01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:25.840 know only the history. 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:27.840 I'm not making that theological claim. 01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:34.400 Yes, I recognize that it is notitia, ascensus, and fiducia, you must 01:46:34.400 --> 01:46:38.480 know the truth, assent to the truth, and trust in the truth. 01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:42.400 is the trust, it is the faith that saves. 01:46:42.320 --> 01:46:46.000 But Christianity fundamentally is a truth claim. 01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:49.440 And again, I mentioned the transcendentals in the last episode, I won't 01:46:49.360 --> 01:46:52.800 go over that again, but truth matters, because truth is the nature 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:55.120 of God. 01:46:55.120 --> 01:46:58.960 And so it may seem like this episode we went over some 01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:03.760 things that are perhaps a little crazy, which they are, or you 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:06.160 may think, why does this matter? 01:47:06.160 --> 01:47:08.720 And I've just gone over why it matters. 01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:12.720 Because as Christians, the truth matters. 01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:16.320 Because God is truth, and our religion is the truth. 01:47:16.320 --> 01:47:22.480 And if we reject the truth, ultimately, we wind up rejecting all 01:47:22.480 --> 01:47:23.200 truth.