WEBVTT 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:39.440 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. 00:00:39.440 --> 00:00:40.480 I am Corey J. 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:43.040 Mahler. 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That's a pseudonym. 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.880 That's not their legal name. 00:03:28.880 --> 00:03:33.600 It's not necessarily a specific person that you can attribute it to. 00:03:33.600 --> 00:03:37.520 But you can attribute in generally what they have said to their 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:41.280 identity. So I, for example, am not anonymous. 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.360 I have never been anonymous online. 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:44.800 I am pseudonymous. 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:48.400 I've had multiple aliases over the years, not because I was up 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:52.000 to anything sketchy, but frankly, I kept getting banned from Twitter. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.720 And so when I came back, I had to change my name 00:03:54.880 --> 00:03:57.200 or I would immediately get rebanned. 00:03:57.200 --> 00:04:01.360 And that's an interesting part of all of this because when most 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.680 people hear I was banned from Twitter, your immediate thought is, well, 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:07.760 you know, he must have done something to deserve it. 00:04:07.760 --> 00:04:10.880 He must have been a real jerk, or he used terrible language, 00:04:10.880 --> 00:04:12.320 or he was abusive or something. 00:04:12.320 --> 00:04:15.440 You know, obviously if I was banned, I must have deserved it 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:18.320 somehow. Well, what has come out and what is going to come 00:04:18.320 --> 00:04:22.800 out even further as Elon rips back the veil, is that the 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:25.600 people doing the banning, which all of us who were getting banned 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:30.880 knew for a fact, the banners were trannies, were sodomites, we're pedophiles, 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.240 those are the people who didn't want me on Twitter, who didn't 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:35.440 want me talking. 00:04:35.440 --> 00:04:39.440 Uh so if you think that you're on the same page as 00:04:39.440 --> 00:04:42.880 those guys morally, that's probably a bigger question that we can ever 00:04:42.960 --> 00:04:44.000 answer on one of our other. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.040 episodes, but you should spend some serious time thinking about that. 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:51.200 So I'm pseudonymous, not because I'm ashamed of anything I say. 00:04:51.200 --> 00:04:54.080 I mean the fact that I'm now you know putting my voice 00:04:54.080 --> 00:04:57.040 to it, it makes it inevitable that at some point I will 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.720 to be doxxed and there will be absolute attribution to everything I've 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:01.360 ever said. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:02.480 Which I'm fine with. 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:04.240 I'm not fine with being doxxed. 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.120 That's an evil, murderous thing for people to do. 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:11.120 But there is no shame in anything that I have said. 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.600 The things that I say online are the same things that I 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:14.560 say in person. 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:19.600 Now, the difference between an in-person conversation and an online conversation is 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.760 that in person you have the individual in front of you, their 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.360 particular views where they're coming from, and you work with those if 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.640 you're a normal human being trying to have a conversation. 00:05:30.640 --> 00:05:32.720 On the internet, it's different. 00:05:32.960 --> 00:05:35.040 the audience is a generic one. 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.480 So in a sense, it's easier to speak directly to what I 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.800 think, not because I'm hiding something in person and I'm blunt and 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:43.840 on the internet. 00:05:43.840 --> 00:05:47.200 It's just that I don't have to assume any particular givens for 00:05:47.200 --> 00:05:49.280 whom I'm speaking to. 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:49.680 So 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:52.160 I'm not anonymous. 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.320 I am a an attributable 00:05:55.280 --> 00:05:57.840 voice that has everything I've ever said. 00:05:57.840 --> 00:06:00.640 You can you can look at the various pseudonyms and say, yeah, 00:06:00.640 --> 00:06:03.040 this guy has said all that stuff, and I did. 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.880 And am I proud of all of it? 00:06:04.880 --> 00:06:06.560 No. I've said things were stupid. 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.760 I've I've made tweets in the past that I deleted because I'm 00:06:09.760 --> 00:06:10.560 like that that was awful. 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:11.760 I shouldn't have said that. 00:06:11.760 --> 00:06:12.800 I'm a human being. 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.480 And so to say that to that I that I'm not ashamed 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.840 of what I've posted doesn't necessarily mean I've never said anything idiotic 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.960 because I I have, or I've never said anything evil because I 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:27.840 have. But the salient facts of the reasons that I was banned 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:32.000 and will probably be banned again, even with Elon, uh 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:34.800 are theological in nature. 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.600 they come down to why all these fights are happening in the 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.560 world and frankly why we're doing this podcast. 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.840 So just at the outset I want to make clear that when 00:06:43.840 --> 00:06:47.920 you say that people like me are anonymous, you're abusing the word. 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:52.800 Um 4chan and the other image boards, those are anonymous image boards. 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.360 When you go to one, you click on a forum or a 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.240 topic group, you click on a thread, you go down to the 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.560 bottom, you just type in it whatever you want to say and 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.480 you hit send, and it appears. 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.480 There's no login, there's no attribution, you show up as anonymous. 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:12.240 That's an interesting case because there's no reputation there. 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:16.160 And someone who is keen on reputation will think, oh, well, that's 00:07:16.080 --> 00:07:17.840 terrible. People can do whatever. 00:07:17.840 --> 00:07:21.120 But there's a flip side to that also is that you don't 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:21.840 get any credit 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:27.280 for being some brilliant person or for having certain credentials. 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:31.760 You show up on the timeline whatever, whatever your current m thought 00:07:31.760 --> 00:07:33.360 was, and then you vanish. 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:34.640 You never get any credit for it. 00:07:34.640 --> 00:07:37.360 You can't take credit because you're anonymous. 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:39.360 That's what anonymous means. 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:40.880 Again, I'm pseudonymous. 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:45.760 I have years of posting under various pseudonyms that I take credit 00:07:45.760 --> 00:07:46.640 for all of it. 00:07:46.640 --> 00:07:47.600 Those are my thoughts. 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:48.320 I it's funny. 00:07:48.320 --> 00:07:50.560 I've I looked back at some of the things I was tweeting 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.240 two, three years ago, and they're every bit as relevant today as 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.200 they were then, even though when I was saying it then, a 00:07:57.200 --> 00:07:59.520 lot of those things I was saying for the first time. 00:07:59.520 --> 00:08:03.360 In fact, they were many of them were addressing this very question. 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.280 Uh it's interesting that you and I, Corey, are are the the 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:11.600 two people talking about this because you are the least anonymous Lutheran 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.720 out there who's the target of these very attacks. 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:18.560 And so I'd like to first ask you as as not a 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.400 pseudonymous man as is Corey J. 00:08:20.400 --> 00:08:25.440 Mahler, who puts your name on everything, you are the ideal king. 00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:28.720 You're the ideal case for what these pastors think everyone should be 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:32.560 doing. So tell tell the folks who maybe don't know behind the 00:08:32.560 --> 00:08:35.840 scenes what it's like being quarry in a world where you say 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.400 things that you things that you believe that are hated by the 00:08:38.400 --> 00:08:39.280 world. 00:08:40.560 --> 00:08:44.320 Yeah, saying that I am not anonymous or even pseudonymous is almost 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:48.880 an understatement considering my website is my name. 00:08:48.880 --> 00:08:54.320 I have my actual profile picture of me on all of my 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.840 accounts. In fact, it's in front of the brewery I go to 00:08:57.920 --> 00:08:59.840 after church, no less. 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.480 Pretty much everyone knows I live in East Tennessee. 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.880 It's not hard to find the church I attend and that's relevant 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.600 because I have had individuals, pastors, in fact, who disagree with the 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:16.800 things we have said, who have contacted my pastor basically in a 00:09:16.800 --> 00:09:19.760 proxy attempt to harass me. 00:09:19.760 --> 00:09:24.480 And even beyond that, I mean, there's the obvious social media, you 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:25.920 get death threats and things like that. 00:09:25.920 --> 00:09:27.200 I have those sometimes. 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:31.760 I've had particularly lovely DMs show up on Twitter and on Facebook 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.640 back when I used that, that's been a long time ago though. 00:09:34.640 --> 00:09:39.520 And so really what those who say they do not want anonymity 00:09:39.760 --> 00:09:43.760 really pseudonymity, but Those who say they don't want it, they want 00:09:43.760 --> 00:09:45.760 the ability to harass people. 00:09:45.760 --> 00:09:47.360 That's what they're saying. 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:49.840 They don't want to engage with the idea. 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:54.160 They just want the potential, they want the power over that person 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.680 to harass him and if they can, destroy him. 00:09:57.680 --> 00:10:00.240 I'm a little more insulated than some. 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.200 I'm not working for, you know, a large law firm as an 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.840 attorney, and so they can't call my supervisor and get me fired. 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.640 They absolutely would if they could. 00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:13.440 And I do not for a second doubt that some of the 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.960 people from Twitter and elsewhere have complained to the bar. 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.320 I haven't done anything that violates any rules, so all they've done 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.480 is annoy some peon at the bar. 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:27.440 But it's very obvious the the pattern of behavior in which they're 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.720 engaging, what it is they want to do. 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.120 They do not want to have a conversation, as they will sometimes 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.080 say. They don't want to know the man on the other side 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:38.720 of the screen. 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.480 That's not it. 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:44.480 They want to be able to locate that man to harass and 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:45.680 destroy him. 00:10:45.680 --> 00:10:48.640 It is malice that animates these men. 00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:52.080 In some cases, there's also a bit of foolishness there, but ultimately 00:10:52.160 --> 00:10:53.520 it's malice. 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:57.840 Yeah. And the we were talking about this yesterday, the particularly hero 00:10:57.920 --> 00:11:03.920 hilarious thing about whenever these guys complain about Anands as like these 00:11:03.920 --> 00:11:08.720 evil slanders, they always ignore the fact that you exist under your 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:13.760 real name while simultaneously whenever they refer to you in particular, they 00:11:14.160 --> 00:11:16.960 they treat you like Vulnabort uh on Twitter. 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:21.280 they'll they're afraid to type the name Cory Mahler because they're afraid 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:24.880 that somehow you're gonna like appear like Bloody Mary. 00:11:24.880 --> 00:11:27.200 And so they will be able to say I've done 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.080 that a couple times just to mess with them. 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.920 But they they were asking 00:11:31.920 --> 00:11:32.720 for it. 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:34.080 Yeah, it's well deserved. 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.160 But like the they know your name and they're too afraid to 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:38.560 say it. 00:11:38.560 --> 00:11:42.400 You're like Voldemort to these people who are intimately familiar with that 00:11:42.400 --> 00:11:44.000 ridiculous illusion. 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.360 they they have a name and then they won't use it, as 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:52.400 you said, except to personally target you, to seek harm against you 00:11:52.560 --> 00:11:56.080 in your life, in your livelihood, and in your church. 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.640 Uh well they got me banned from Twitter. 00:11:58.640 --> 00:11:59.440 Yeah. Me. 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:00.080 It was fellows 00:12:01.040 --> 00:12:03.920 my Mahler LCMS account on Twitter. 00:12:03.920 --> 00:12:06.160 Fellow Christians got that one banned. 00:12:06.160 --> 00:12:08.480 I'm sure there were some others who were in there as well, 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.240 but I had two accounts. 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:15.360 I was not avoiding a ban or a suspension because my main 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:19.200 account, which is my name, my full name, I'd had since twenty 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:22.800 twelve, so I wasn't really planning that far in advance to avoid 00:12:22.800 --> 00:12:23.760 a suspension. 00:12:23.760 --> 00:12:25.680 I had Mahler LCMS. 00:12:25.680 --> 00:12:30.080 I originally intended to sort of split the two, address politics and 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.440 such on the main account, and religious topics on the other. 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.480 I wound up using the other almost exclusively because I was mostly 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.520 talking about religious topics and very little about politics. 00:12:39.520 --> 00:12:43.600 But the reason the thing they used to report me to get 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:50.160 me banned was they mass reported a particular tweet where I said 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:55.680 that the punishment for the production of pornography should be capital punishment. 00:12:55.680 --> 00:12:57.440 I said they should be executed. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:12:59.680 That is a call for a change in the law, of course, 00:12:59.680 --> 00:13:02.480 but they all mass reported it as a threat. 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:06.480 Which of course is bearing false witness against me, but they used 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:08.720 that in order to get me banned, and that was largely fellow 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:13.360 Christians My main account got banned, because I said something about the 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.400 Eastern Orthodox and somehow someone brought it to the attention of Rod 00:13:16.400 --> 00:13:20.000 Dreyer. And I know he's the one who got me banned because, 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:23.360 for those who aren't familiar with how this works, when you get 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:27.920 banned, suspended, whatever they want to call it, you receive an email 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:29.760 with the reason. 00:13:29.760 --> 00:13:32.560 Now it's probably a vague reason, it may not be a relevant 00:13:32.560 --> 00:13:35.920 reason, but you get an email that contains a reason. 00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:39.360 If you are reported by a blue check because they have a 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.800 special back channel, you receive nothing. 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:45.760 Your account is just all of a sudden suspended, you can no 00:13:45.760 --> 00:13:46.800 longer log in. 00:13:46.800 --> 00:13:50.800 And that is what happened to my main account right after I 00:13:50.800 --> 00:13:52.640 interacted with Rod Dreyer. 00:13:52.640 --> 00:13:55.760 And I have the screenshots, that's easy to find. 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.360 Now briefly I'd like to apologize to our audience for this extremely 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:02.880 online talk. 00:14:04.800 --> 00:14:07.760 There's a lot of stuff that happens on Twitter and Facebook and 00:14:07.760 --> 00:14:12.160 elsewhere that the reason that we're talking about this, this is not 00:14:12.160 --> 00:14:14.320 sour grapes over our accounts. 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.880 This is about the much more fundamental issue of what is calls 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:25.280 falsely called the culture war, where people confuse theology with politics and 00:14:25.280 --> 00:14:28.720 vice versa, or they they're not able to understand where the line 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.560 is, if there's a line at all. 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:33.280 So the reason we're talking about this is that we're trying to 00:14:33.280 --> 00:14:37.280 ultimately talk about where that line is between theology and politics, because 00:14:37.280 --> 00:14:39.600 it's not where these guys are drawing it. 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.360 And for better or worse, these things play out online. 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.960 So while a lot of stuff happens on Twitter and elsewhere, we 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:50.560 we never want this podcast to be about internet drama, about e-drama. 00:14:50.560 --> 00:14:52.160 Like that's that's exhausting. 00:14:52.160 --> 00:14:52.880 I don't want to hear it. 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:54.400 And I know you don't want to hear it if you care 00:14:54.400 --> 00:14:55.520 about this podcast. 00:14:55.520 --> 00:15:00.480 So please don't mistake what we're saying as being about uh scenario 00:15:00.640 --> 00:15:02.240 counts. Whatever. 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.520 But the is as Corey just said, the fact that Christians have 00:15:05.520 --> 00:15:09.040 gone after us to remove us from being able to speak at 00:15:09.040 --> 00:15:13.200 all because they don't like what we say about theology, that's much 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.200 more deeply root rooted than just internet talk. 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.080 Like that's not that's not about any particular website. 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:23.600 That's a fundamental question of how the church is to operate, which 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.400 is what we're talking about today. 00:15:26.400 --> 00:15:26.720 So 00:15:27.920 --> 00:15:30.800 I've already defined uh pseudonymity, but I'd just like to give you 00:15:30.800 --> 00:15:34.560 a few examples of if you think that pseudonyms are evil or 00:15:34.560 --> 00:15:38.000 they're a a bad thing, I anyone who knows etymology knows that 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.240 pseudo means false in Greek. 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:44.480 Now, that's in English, that's a has a very negative connotation. 00:15:44.640 --> 00:15:47.520 Say something is false is the opposite of true. 00:15:47.520 --> 00:15:49.280 So that's gross. 00:15:49.280 --> 00:15:52.320 Like I I you won't find someone who's more obsessed with the 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:53.200 truth than me. 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.520 So for me to be saying something that 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.320 pseudonyms are great or pseudonyms are fine, you could easily Think falsely 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.680 that I am somehow being a hypocrite. 00:16:05.680 --> 00:16:07.440 Pseudonyms are 00:16:08.640 --> 00:16:11.040 aliases. they're nicknames. 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:16.560 They're fictitious names, stage names, pen names, uh their regnal names as 00:16:16.560 --> 00:16:20.880 well. So it's very common for kings in every pope to assume 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:24.560 a new name when they ascend to their office. 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:29.440 Most people listening have probably heard of uh Jorge Mario Bergoglio. 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.280 You've all heard of Pope Francis. 00:16:31.280 --> 00:16:32.400 That's his pseudonym. 00:16:32.400 --> 00:16:33.360 He's not Francis. 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:35.600 he's Jorge. 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.800 But in his office, he has assumed the pseudonym. 00:16:38.800 --> 00:16:42.240 Now in his case, it's n there's no disconnect between the two 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:48.880 identities, but the identity of Pope has with it that association where 00:16:48.880 --> 00:16:51.440 a pseudonym goes along with it. 00:16:51.520 --> 00:16:54.640 It's also common, as I mentioned, you know, stage names and pen 00:16:54.800 --> 00:16:58.000 names. You know, everyone knows Mark Twain. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.480 Almost as many know Samuel Clemens. 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.600 The man was Samuel, the author was Mark. 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.120 They were the same guy. 00:17:05.120 --> 00:17:09.520 Uh very few of you probably would recognize the same Isir Danielovich, 00:17:09.520 --> 00:17:11.440 but you all know Kirk Douglas. 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.920 Uh no one would know who I was talking about when I 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:18.800 mentioned Bernard Schwartz, but everybody knows who Tony Curtis is. 00:17:18.800 --> 00:17:23.600 Uh some people might recognize the name Nin Nimrata Randowa, but you 00:17:23.600 --> 00:17:25.440 all know Nikki Haley. 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.680 Uh and here's a great one. 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:34.800 Elisa Zinovenia Zinov Ven I could say this earlier, Zinoven Venevina 00:17:35.040 --> 00:17:40.480 Rosenbaum, uh who became Alice O'Connor and then became Ayn Rand. 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:44.320 Now nobody knows Elisa, but everybody knows Ayn. 00:17:45.120 --> 00:17:48.720 In the case of those people, those were all Jews who came 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:54.800 into Western countries, they shape shifted into assuming our names so that 00:17:54.800 --> 00:17:58.160 when you heard Bernard Schwartz you think, well that guy's probably a 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:02.000 Jew. Tony Curtis, like that's the that's the waspiest name imaginable. 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:06.880 So or you know, maybe maybe he's uh Irish or Italian, but 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.520 you wouldn't think that he was from his the land of his 00:18:09.520 --> 00:18:11.520 origin and the people of his origin. 00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:15.440 So those are people who assume pseudonyms in order to shape shift. 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.480 I have a pseudonym just because that's how the internet works. 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.280 I've been on the internet for decades and have had I've lost 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:23.520 how many count how many pseudonyms I've had. 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:25.920 Again, not because like I'm covering my tracks. 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:30.560 It's just that my identity online is not 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.960 it's just a point or two to my voice. 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.680 So for example, you Corey, you and I are in a group 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.560 of a bunch of Lutherans, you know, fifty odd guys. 00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:42.880 I I know your name and I won know one or two 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.400 other guys' Christian names, the names that are written in the book 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:50.720 of life from bet for Eternity, as we talked about last week. 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.000 But the vast majority, I only know pseudonyms, and some of them 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.320 have to change their pseudonyms fairly often. 00:18:56.320 --> 00:18:59.040 Now this is an interesting case because one of the things that 00:18:59.040 --> 00:19:03.760 we do in this group is we will regularly pin prayer requests 00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:07.280 for guys, you know, sometimes half a time, dozen times a day, 00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:10.480 where someone is about to have the birth of a child or 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:15.040 the child is sick, or they're looking for a wife, or they 00:19:15.040 --> 00:19:17.360 have a parent who's sick or dying. 00:19:17.360 --> 00:19:20.480 Uh all sorts of things that happen in real life that are 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.760 consequential, that are meaningful for prayer. 00:19:23.760 --> 00:19:28.480 And in every one of those cases, it's somebody with a pseudonym 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:31.200 who's saying, hey guys, please pray for me. 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:36.480 Now, because we understand what pseudonyms are for, we don't think, well, 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:40.160 I'm gonna I'm gonna ask God to pray for Knight George and 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:41.600 his new baby. 00:19:41.600 --> 00:19:44.960 I hope God knows who I'm talking about, because I don't. 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:46.160 Like that's nonsense. 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:47.040 I know who he is. 00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:48.000 I know things about him. 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:49.120 I just don't know his name. 00:19:49.120 --> 00:19:50.480 I don't care about his name. 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:54.800 And it's not apathy, it's that to me he's KG and he's 00:19:54.800 --> 00:19:56.160 a close friend. 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:57.600 God knows who he is. 00:19:57.600 --> 00:20:01.120 So when I take Knight George to God in prayer, I don't 00:20:01.040 --> 00:20:04.400 have any doubt that God knows exactly who I'm talking about. 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.800 And the same is true of my pseudonym. 00:20:06.800 --> 00:20:10.720 God knows exactly who I am when I'm posting on the internet. 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:15.360 And these pastors, these people who get angry that someone is posting 00:20:15.360 --> 00:20:19.520 without accountability, they they want accountability, they want to hold somebody's feet 00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:20.480 to the fire. 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.920 Is though I think that I'm tricking God by using a different 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.320 name than the one that's written in the book of life. 00:20:26.320 --> 00:20:27.840 I have no such delusions. 00:20:27.840 --> 00:20:30.320 I'm accountable for err every careless word. 00:20:30.320 --> 00:20:33.360 Like I said, I've had careless words and sometimes I'm ashamed of 00:20:33.360 --> 00:20:36.000 them. Like, nope, I gotta get rid of that because that that 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.640 was I should not have done that. 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.480 That was shame before God because I said it and God saw 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:43.200 me see it. 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.640 The fact that it was attributed online to a pseudonym is meaningless 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.160 between me and my creator, and the fact that some pastor who 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.400 gets mad at me doesn't know my name is totally immaterial. 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.440 These as you said earlier, these guys never want to actually discuss 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:59.440 the things we want to discuss. 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.280 They will think that they're slandering you by calling you slavery, Lutheran. 00:21:03.280 --> 00:21:05.280 And I agree with you completely on that subject. 00:21:05.280 --> 00:21:08.640 We'll do an episode probably pretty soon about slavery and what Gaz 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.920 says about slavery, because it's not what these men say, it's not 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:13.360 what the world says. 00:21:13.360 --> 00:21:17.680 But rather than dealing with the text of scripture, they just want 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:22.000 to just go straight for ad hominem and discrediting the person rather 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.240 than talking about the ideas. 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:29.920 And so pseudonymity is valuable in that case because it keeps keeps 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:34.000 the attacks away from the person and forces the discussion onto the 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:37.840 ideas. As I've said before and elsewhere, I have no credentials. 00:21:37.840 --> 00:21:41.600 I'm not a pastor, I don't know Greek, I have no training 00:21:41.600 --> 00:21:43.760 for any of this, and I freely admit that. 00:21:43.760 --> 00:21:47.600 And if you think that that disqualifies me from being heard, then 00:21:47.600 --> 00:21:48.240 don't listen. 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:49.280 That's fine. 00:21:49.280 --> 00:21:52.000 If in spite of the fact that I have no credentials, you 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.320 hear what I say and think, huh, that's interesting. 00:21:54.320 --> 00:21:57.280 Or wow, I really think this is valuable. 00:21:57.280 --> 00:22:00.560 That's between you and your s understanding of Scripture through what the 00:22:00.560 --> 00:22:03.440 Holy Spirit is revealed to you, that you would hear what I 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.840 say and yes and say, yeah, I think that I agree with 00:22:05.840 --> 00:22:08.160 that. It's got nothing to do with credentials. 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:13.840 So guys who need their collar in their avatar online and they 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:17.280 and they need to have their titles in order to be recognized, 00:22:17.280 --> 00:22:21.040 I think is a very different kind of uh of hiding behind 00:22:21.040 --> 00:22:24.320 something. They accuse me of hiding behind a pseudonym. 00:22:24.320 --> 00:22:27.280 Frankly, I think most of them are hiding behind their collars. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:28.400 Well, 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:32.400 as mentioned, that is one of the benefits of pseudonymity, is that 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.760 the only thing that matters is what you said. 00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:41.360 And so those who are pseudonymous cannot make an appeal to credentials 00:22:41.360 --> 00:22:46.560 or to experience or to anything outside of what they have said, 00:22:46.560 --> 00:22:50.000 and so it is wholly about the argument. 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.960 And in this case, we are basing everything we say on scripture. 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:59.680 And so those who are making these points under a pseudonymous account 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.520 are simply making the point. 00:23:01.520 --> 00:23:04.240 They are not saying, well, I'm a pastor, so you have to 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.360 listen to me or I have this degree or that degree or 00:23:07.360 --> 00:23:08.560 this knowledge. 00:23:08.560 --> 00:23:13.040 Yes, in my case I'm obviously not pseudonymous. 00:23:13.040 --> 00:23:15.760 But I am still making an appeal to the things I have 00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:19.440 said. You will note that on my my website and on my 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:23.120 accounts, I'm not adding all the letters that I could add after 00:23:23.120 --> 00:23:23.840 my name. 00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:26.560 I did for a little while simply to annoy a handful of 00:23:26.560 --> 00:23:30.720 people that really found that noxious because it amused me. 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:35.040 But I've removed all that stuff because it's not actually particularly relevant 00:23:35.040 --> 00:23:37.280 to the things I'm saying. 00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:43.280 Yes, if the topic of, you know, European Union antitrust comes up, 00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:44.320 okay fine. 00:23:44.320 --> 00:23:45.600 My credentials are now relevant. 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.000 My training is relevant. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.880 But when it comes to these things, we are appealing to the 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.320 Word of God, we are appealing to those who have the Spirit 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.520 to hear God's voice in the things we are saying. 00:23:57.520 --> 00:24:00.720 And so the credentials are not relevant. 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.160 Is being a pastor relevant to some of this stuff in some 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.600 way? Well, certainly when it comes to the stricter judgment. 00:24:07.600 --> 00:24:10.800 But in a very real way, the only thing that is relevant 00:24:10.800 --> 00:24:14.640 is whether or not the man who is speaking is repeating God's 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:21.120 word. He may have whatever sort of clothing he wants on, he 00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:24.640 may have whatever degrees he wants, but what matters is what he 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:29.040 is saying, and being pseudonymous is actually in some way a benefit 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.960 with regard to that. 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:32.880 And 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.680 it's not unprecedented within the faith healer earlier. 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.000 I mentioned we have a friend who goes by Knight George for 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.120 obvious reasons. 00:24:39.120 --> 00:24:44.320 That's Junker Jorg was one of Luther's pseudonyms when he was pursued 00:24:44.320 --> 00:24:48.000 by men who were trying to murder him. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:48.320 Yeah, 00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:52.080 and many many people don't actually, I think that many people would 00:24:52.080 --> 00:24:54.160 not actually know who Junker Jorg is. 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.000 They don't know that story. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.040 But after the Diet of Worms 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.160 in 1521, Friedrich the Wise, one of Luther's patrons, had him kidnapped, 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.440 so to speak. 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:11.600 He had him intercepted in the countryside on the way back from 00:25:11.600 --> 00:25:15.280 the diet because he had basically just been declared declared 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.880 you know, an outlaw. 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.440 In the old sense of the term, someone could kill him without 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:25.520 consequence. And so in order to protect him, they kidnapped him, spirited 00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:29.440 him away to Wartburg, and he assumed the name of Junker Jorg, 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:31.200 more or less Knight George. 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.000 It's a little difference in emphasis there, but it's close enough of 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:35.440 a translation. 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:40.080 And so he lived, essentially as a minor noble in Vartburg Castle, 00:25:40.080 --> 00:25:44.000 in rooms that had traditionally been used for minor nobles who had 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:47.120 basically fallen out of favor, but not so far that they needed 00:25:47.120 --> 00:25:48.560 to be executed. 00:25:48.560 --> 00:25:53.440 So it was not quite prison, but sort of house arrest. 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.760 But while he was there, he had two squires who waited on 00:25:55.760 --> 00:25:57.520 him. He lived as a minor noble. 00:25:57.520 --> 00:25:59.680 Incidentally, he may have put on a little weight while he was 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.960 there, because he switched from a monk's diet to a minor noble's 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:04.800 diet, very different thing. 00:26:04.800 --> 00:26:10.080 He interacted with other nobles, but while he was there, operating under 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:15.120 this pseudonym, he translated the Bible. 00:26:15.120 --> 00:26:20.160 That's essentially the first time you really have the Bible in the 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.080 vernacular being widespread. 00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:25.760 Obviously, yes, Greek at the time would have been vernacular, but it 00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:26.880 no longer was. 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.360 Neither was Latin. 00:26:29.360 --> 00:26:32.320 And so we have he also wrote two volumes worth of his 00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:35.520 work His works while he was in that castle. 00:26:35.520 --> 00:26:38.480 And so we have an instance in our own history, and this 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.640 is the case for all Protestants, not just Lutherans, but obviously particularly 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:47.120 for Lutherans, of a man operating under a pseudonym and a And 00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:51.040 achieving a great deal of good, and doing it for a perfectly 00:26:51.040 --> 00:26:52.640 legitimate reason. 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.440 In his case, he would have been killed if he had been 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.880 found, if he'd been using his name and been discovered. 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:03.280 Today, the stakes aren't really that much different. 00:27:03.280 --> 00:27:06.560 No, the Emperor is not going to literally drag you into the 00:27:06.560 --> 00:27:10.960 town square and chop off your head if you express these unpopular 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.520 opinions online and are found out. 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:19.360 But the agents of our evil government are certainly going to find 00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:21.920 you, are going to get you fired, are going to make your 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:25.280 life miserable, are going to send you death threats, may very well 00:27:25.280 --> 00:27:26.960 cause you physical harm. 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:31.280 In some cases, this stuff does actually eventuate in murder. 00:27:31.280 --> 00:27:35.440 Because some of our adversaries, some of our enemies, are willing to 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:36.640 go that far. 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.280 And that's the reason that we're talking about this is that there's 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:46.880 there are real world consequences to these pastors claiming that you must 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.000 unmask yourself or you are a coward. 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:55.680 Uh one of my first exposures to the the spirit behind what 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.560 a lot of these pastors think was a year or so ago 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.040 when I was on Jonathan Fisk's uh Discord or Fiskord. 00:28:03.040 --> 00:28:04.560 He obviously is the admin. 00:28:04.560 --> 00:28:05.920 There are like six hundred people on the thing. 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:09.440 I was in a channel with uh Adam Koontz and a number 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.600 of other pastors whom I respect. 00:28:11.600 --> 00:28:14.560 And one day there was a conversation and I I think I 00:28:14.560 --> 00:28:17.040 don't remember the details, I think there was like a disagreement between 00:28:17.040 --> 00:28:19.520 me and another member, which was was pretty typical. 00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:22.400 I was I was there basically to be hated, but to to 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.800 speak the truth in a place where maybe a few people would 00:28:24.800 --> 00:28:26.080 hear it. 00:28:26.080 --> 00:28:32.800 Anyway, something happened and uh Jonathan Fisk falsely accused me of a 00:28:32.800 --> 00:28:35.120 sin in front of everyone, in front of hundreds of people. 00:28:35.120 --> 00:28:37.120 He said that I had just sinned. 00:28:37.120 --> 00:28:40.880 And the accusation was not borne out by any of the evidence. 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.200 So that made her slanderous. 00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:46.160 And because he's not only a pastor, but he is the admin, 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:47.840 that made it powerful slander. 00:28:47.840 --> 00:28:50.960 Like it's one thing if I as just a nobody on Discord 00:28:51.280 --> 00:28:53.680 say th something mean about somebody else. 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:54.640 Nobody cares. 00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.560 When the admin and the pastor who's it's named after says something, 00:28:58.560 --> 00:28:59.680 everybody cares. 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:00.800 So I rebuked him. 00:29:00.800 --> 00:29:02.880 I said, that was false. 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.440 You need to repent and you need to take that back. 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.840 You've harmed my reputation. 00:29:07.840 --> 00:29:10.640 And And his resp the only reason I'm telling this story, it's 00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:13.040 not that I'm mad that someone was mean to me online. 00:29:13.040 --> 00:29:16.480 I remember it because I learned something very important that day from 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:17.760 his response. 00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:23.200 Fisk responded by scoffing at me and essentially saying, I don't even 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.600 know your name, you're not a real person. 00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:28.880 I d I can't possibly sin against you because I don't know 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:29.680 who you are. 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:30.720 And that was the end of it. 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.800 Like as far as I was concerned, as far as he was 00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:37.840 concerned, because I was pseudonymous, he could do any manner of harm 00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:40.240 to my reputation, which is a real thing. 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:44.560 I have a reputation because all of my comments online are attributable 00:29:44.800 --> 00:29:47.120 to a pseudonym, but to me. 00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:48.720 And he said, that's nothing. 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.680 I can rob you of your reputation because it's not even you. 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.640 You're not even a real human being unless you re use your 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:55.520 real name. 00:29:55.520 --> 00:29:59.280 This is something that uh played out again this year in what 00:29:59.760 --> 00:30:03.280 was the inspiration for our very first episode, where we talked about 00:30:03.280 --> 00:30:08.240 Mrs. Jonathan Lackey's book that was published by CPH that was teaching 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.880 theology to the church. 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:11.200 And 00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:18.400 Corey, you and my and I, our our friend group were the 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.440 first people within Lutheranism to discuss this. 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:22.720 We discuss it in private. 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.040 And like, what's going on at CPH? 00:30:25.040 --> 00:30:28.720 Why are they why are they unable to find pastors to teach 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.360 theology? Like, do we have a shortage? 00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:33.360 No, there's not a shortage of pastors. 00:30:33.360 --> 00:30:37.360 There may be a shortage of theologians, but that's a separate problem. 00:30:37.360 --> 00:30:42.080 But why is it that the the organ of our synod is 00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:45.280 propping up a 25-year-old girl to teach theology? 00:30:45.600 --> 00:30:48.880 Jesus didn't begin teaching theology until he was 30. 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.560 But we disregard that example. 00:30:50.560 --> 00:30:52.960 He's like, well, okay, this girl, she's got a ton of gifts. 00:30:53.280 --> 00:30:56.320 she might even be better at Jesus that teaching theology. 00:30:56.320 --> 00:30:59.440 So she's upheld and she's given a publishing deal, and her book 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.440 is propped up and issues, etc. 00:31:01.600 --> 00:31:05.040 makes it the book of the month, and everybody loves it. 00:31:05.040 --> 00:31:09.040 And some of our friends are like this doesn't seem to be 00:31:09.040 --> 00:31:10.640 consistent with scripture. 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.760 Let's go look at where scripture says that I do not permit 00:31:13.760 --> 00:31:14.720 a woman to speak. 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.960 She is to be silent in the church. 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.760 And the discussion was, you know, well, does in the church mean 00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:20.800 that she can't preach? 00:31:20.800 --> 00:31:24.560 And basically all the pastors concluded that there's nothing in the Bible 00:31:24.560 --> 00:31:29.680 that prevents a girl from doing anything except vesting, giving communion, and 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.080 standing in the pulpit and preaching. 00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:34.080 Everything else is up for grabs. 00:31:34.080 --> 00:31:36.880 Now most of them will deny that, but that's functionally what their 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.760 arguments are. 00:31:37.760 --> 00:31:42.640 Whenever they look to first Timothy two and first Corinthians fourteen, they 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.360 see those texts strictly as protecting their pastoral office and not being 00:31:47.360 --> 00:31:48.960 about headship. 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.320 We disagreed. 00:31:50.320 --> 00:31:53.440 So we started discussing it online and saying, hey, look at this 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:55.120 book, look what's going on. 00:31:55.120 --> 00:31:59.920 And it quickly spread because it was rightly controversial that a girl 00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:01.520 is teaching theology. 00:32:01.520 --> 00:32:04.080 And I want to read just a couple uh clips from what 00:32:04.080 --> 00:32:07.920 appeared on the Godest Stein's blog and on Larry Bean's blog as 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.600 a follow-up. 00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:11.600 The first The first clip here that I'm gonna read for you 00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:12.880 is from John Bussman. 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:13.920 He's a pastor. 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.920 Uh, in the middle of his post, he just dis mentioned as 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:19.520 an aside that he's Mrs. 00:32:19.520 --> 00:32:21.280 Jonathan Lackey's pastor. 00:32:21.280 --> 00:32:26.160 He really buried the lead there by launching into a multi-page diatribe 00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:30.000 that I'll get into here and failing to mention that it was 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.960 his own parishioner he was defending so forcefully. 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.000 Nothing wrong with defending her, but say up front, I'm her pastor, 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.600 let me tell you what I think. 00:32:37.600 --> 00:32:38.880 By both of them he's also 00:32:39.280 --> 00:32:40.960 defending himself. 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:41.200 Yeah 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:42.640 he's 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:47.680 the one who either correctly or incorrectly taught her husband and her. 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.080 Yeah, absolutely. 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:55.680 by us questioning the nature of the headship of a woman teaching 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.880 theology, we were implicitly questioning his headship, John John Busman's headship as 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:01.520 her pastor. 00:33:01.520 --> 00:33:05.280 And so you're right, he was absolutely defending himself indirectly. 00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:06.800 So here's what he said. 00:33:06.800 --> 00:33:08.400 So why the backlash? 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:12.720 I actually think it's simply people have absolutely nothing better to do 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:18.000 than to anonymously troll people and try to discourage them from fulfilling 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.200 their vocation. 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.720 We have those types enter into the goddess blog comment section all 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:23.280 the time. 00:33:23.280 --> 00:33:24.640 You know the types. 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.320 There are a couple things there. 00:33:26.320 --> 00:33:28.960 Anonymously is always connected to troll. 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.520 If you're anonymous, you're automatically a troll. 00:33:31.520 --> 00:33:33.360 Uh this is Peter Slayton's big thing. 00:33:33.360 --> 00:33:35.840 He's a social media manager for the LCMS. 00:33:35.840 --> 00:33:37.840 He goes around calling people trolls all the time. 00:33:37.840 --> 00:33:42.560 He's blocked numerous pastors in our own synod from the official LCMS 00:33:42.560 --> 00:33:45.680 website because they follow trolls on Twitter. 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.880 So see this is this troll thing, this slander of calling someone 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.080 a troll is exactly what Jonathan Fisk did to me. 00:33:52.080 --> 00:33:54.800 He said, I don't know your name, I don't like something you 00:33:54.800 --> 00:33:58.640 said. Rather than apologizing for slandering you, I'm gonna label you a 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.520 uh pseudonymous troll and then you're nothing. 00:34:01.520 --> 00:34:04.480 That's exactly what these other pastors, that's what Busman did and what 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.160 bit Larry's gonna do in a minute. 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:07.200 Say these are trolls. 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.200 They're not really human beings. 00:34:09.200 --> 00:34:11.600 And the other thing that will be a subject for another day, 00:34:11.600 --> 00:34:16.320 but note he said trying to discourage them, meaning girls, from fulfilling 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.080 their vocation, meaning teaching theology to men. 00:34:20.080 --> 00:34:25.280 Now that's a that's a textbook case of of question begging because 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:26.080 that's what they do. 00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:29.360 They say, well, obviously God gave her the gift to teach, so 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.280 if she's teaching, it must be from God. 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.680 And if you don't like her teaching, you must be opposed to 00:34:33.680 --> 00:34:37.760 God. Those are the rhetorical tricks that get played in these fights. 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.320 Uh in a subsequent post on Godestine's uh Burnell Eckert, uh in 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:45.760 this is mostly written by Larry Bean, but Burnell posted it under 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.600 his name with credit to Larry. 00:34:47.600 --> 00:34:49.040 He said this. 00:34:49.040 --> 00:34:53.200 Father Busman's boat posts brought to our attention to the butt attention 00:34:53.200 --> 00:34:55.760 to this which is good, not only a question of where the 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.680 scriptural line is drawn in the real world regarding women teaching and 00:34:59.680 --> 00:35:03.840 publishing in their own time, place and culture, but also regarding the 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:08.960 roles of men and women women and chivalry quote in uh colon, 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:14.960 chivalry chivalry, the swarming of a woman by anonymous men, as recently 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.000 happened in the Twitter world, is not chivalrous Christian masculine behavior, and 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.600 we all agree on that. 00:35:21.600 --> 00:35:23.520 This is fascinating for a few reasons. 00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:24.240 One is 00:35:27.200 --> 00:35:31.040 We never said a single word to Molly on Twitter that was 00:35:31.040 --> 00:35:35.360 hostile or abrasive or overly critical. 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.400 I when when you use Twitter, you there's an advanced search where 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.600 you can look and see everyone who has addressed another account by 00:35:41.600 --> 00:35:44.720 name. We looked at all the posts that anyone, anywhere on the 00:35:44.720 --> 00:35:46.080 internet had said to Mrs. 00:35:46.080 --> 00:35:50.720 Lackey, there wasn't a single thing that was mean that was hateful. 00:35:51.120 --> 00:35:53.840 the only comment that we found was from one of our friends 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.800 who said something nice to her, even in a thread where he 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.840 was criticizing the fact that this book had been published. 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:04.240 So for Larry and Burnell to say To say the the swarming 00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:07.520 of a woman on Twitter is slander. 00:36:07.520 --> 00:36:08.720 It is a lie. 00:36:08.720 --> 00:36:10.880 There is zero evidence for it. 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.840 And it's one of these lies that these guys are happy to 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.560 propagate because again, we've been labeled as trolls. 00:36:16.640 --> 00:36:19.920 So if it's a troll, no holds barred. 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.480 You can say whatever you want about a troll because they're not 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:23.360 really human. 00:36:23.520 --> 00:36:26.800 There's no there's no question of sinning against a troll. 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:31.520 So when they make those slanderous accusations as pastors, as the guys 00:36:31.520 --> 00:36:35.920 who write the goddess blog, everyone who doesn't know anything automatically assumes 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.520 that that actually happened. 00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:41.360 Most people believe that people were saying mean things to misses Lackey 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:41.600 and that. 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:42.480 The internet. 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.960 It literally never happened. 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:46.480 I want to emphasize that. 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.160 It never happened. 00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:51.520 And yet these men will repeat this over and over again, and 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:55.600 they're free to do so in their minds morally because the people 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.760 speaking were pseudonymous. 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.560 If they had not been pseudonymous, what would they have done? 00:37:00.560 --> 00:37:02.560 They would have called their pastors and say, you need to put 00:37:02.560 --> 00:37:06.880 this person on the lesser ban unless they repent for this sin 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.800 where there was no sin. 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.480 And they know that. 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:16.320 So that's why we're talking about this, because when someone m makes 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.880 accusations a sem against a person without his name, they think they 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.640 can't possibly sin against them. 00:37:22.640 --> 00:37:26.960 So when you see doxing and you see threats against livelihood and 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:31.280 even flesh, they think it's okay, even though it's exactly what Antifa 00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:36.000 does. The post on Goddess Blog goes on. 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.120 Finally, it's been our policy for several years not to allow anonymous 00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:41.920 posts. We decided we need to enforce it. 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:44.880 There may have been a need for anonymity in discussing political and 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.880 hot button social topics, but when it comes to discussing our faith, 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.120 we are called upon to confess. 00:37:51.120 --> 00:37:54.240 Further putting your name on something requires that you put more thought 00:37:54.240 --> 00:37:58.000 into your comment, to choose your words and your accusations more carefully, 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.720 and subject subjects you to consequences within the church that you be 00:38:02.720 --> 00:38:05.920 held accountable by your pastor in the case of pastors by your 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:07.440 brothers in the ministerium. 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.760 So that goes directly to what we had just said. 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.160 They don't want to discuss the ideas. 00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:13.840 They want punishment. 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:18.480 They presume to act as judge, jury, and executioner in these theological 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.840 discussions, and they seek the destruction of the men with whom they 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:26.080 disagree. There is another m m word that that Larry used in 00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:28.240 there, shovel varous, and that absolutely came from him. 00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:29.200 He's a southerner. 00:38:29.200 --> 00:38:31.680 He's very proud of his southern heritage, and I respect that. 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:33.520 Half my family is from the South. 00:38:33.520 --> 00:38:34.800 I get it. 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.160 But I think it's ironic that in a discussion 00:38:39.200 --> 00:38:46.240 of a woman teaching theology, Larry and others would suddenly invoke 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.400 these terms of of chivalry and well, you can't say mean things 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.520 to a girl. 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.960 If you assume for the case of for the sake of argument 00:38:55.120 --> 00:38:58.880 that it is legitimate for a girl to be teaching theology, she 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.720 has stepped into the ring. 00:39:00.720 --> 00:39:05.760 She has made herself subject to criticism, as every theologian is subject 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.280 to criticism for what they say and whether they have the right 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:10.240 to say it. 00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:16.160 So ironically, by begging chivalry as a defense of her honor, he 00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:19.200 was actually agreeing with us that she has no business talking about 00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:21.440 theology in the first place. 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.400 And uh on Larry's own blog, he repl repeated a week later, 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.760 her pastor complained that she was being anonymously attacked on social media 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.800 and he was angry and protective this member of his flock. 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.440 The nature of some social media map platforms lends to swarming by 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:41.680 trolls. This is where we are right now as men, who indeed 00:39:41.680 --> 00:39:45.760 are supposed to lead the church, refuse to use their real names, 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.400 but instead approach theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard warrior 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:51.920 using a pseudonym. 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.880 When it comes to the Christian faith, we should not resort to 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.320 pseudo anything. 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.520 We come from a long tradition of men and women, clergy and 00:39:59.520 --> 00:40:04.400 laity, willing to confess and take the consequences of their countercultural confession 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:05.440 of Christ. 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:09.360 Be strong and show yourself a man, O Christian Now he said 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:10.480 some other things in the article. 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:14.160 We did actually defend that there's an appropriate place for pseudonymity, but 00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:17.360 he specifically carved out of theology as a place where it's utterly 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:21.360 impermissible, which is interesting when you look back to the Luther case, 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.680 where clearly Luther was speaking about theology, was writing on theology, and 00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:28.000 he was doing so pseudonymously. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:28.400 Now 00:40:32.560 --> 00:40:33.440 pastors 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:41.920 live sheltered lives, particularly pastors who go straight from seminary to or 00:40:42.240 --> 00:40:45.200 go straight from college to seminary to the parish, they never l 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:46.800 live a single day in the real life. 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.480 So they don't know what's like to have an HR department, to 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:57.440 have diversity, equity, and inclusion training, to have annual multi-hour brainwashing sessions 00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:03.040 where you were forced to confess that sodomy and transgenderism and all 00:41:03.040 --> 00:41:09.280 of these other demonic evils are normative and tolerable and necessary parts 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:10.560 of life. 00:41:10.560 --> 00:41:15.280 So this is where we're talking about drawing the line between theology 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.360 and politics. 00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.160 You know, if someone is in the workplace and they're told that 00:41:22.160 --> 00:41:25.280 they have to call a coworker who is a man by his 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.800 assumed name as a woman and his new identity. 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.520 Is that political or is that theological? 00:41:31.520 --> 00:41:34.000 Is that a lie he's allowed to tell because it's in the 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.280 workplace? And, you know, really it's not about John 316, so so 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.360 what if he calls John Jeanette? 00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:41.120 That's theological. 00:41:41.120 --> 00:41:43.040 That is a confession of the faith. 00:41:43.040 --> 00:41:46.880 Because to call a man a woman is to deny the creator 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:48.080 of that person. 00:41:48.080 --> 00:41:50.400 That's a first article denial. 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.040 When I was taught as a child, I believe in God the 00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:57.920 Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.920 and invisible, that applies to me as a man and to someone 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.040 else as a woman. 00:42:03.040 --> 00:42:05.680 And so for someone to come along and say, you need to 00:42:05.680 --> 00:42:07.040 call this man a woman. 00:42:07.040 --> 00:42:10.480 That's the most profound theological statement that I can make in this 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.920 day. Because your employer is not attacking justification. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.960 He's not asking you to say, Well, so do you think let's 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.600 see how you can save yourself before God? 00:42:19.600 --> 00:42:21.200 And it's not even a pinch of incense. 00:42:21.200 --> 00:42:23.920 He said, Do you need to deny your creator by saying that 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.560 this person was made in a different image? 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:28.240 Well, 00:42:28.240 --> 00:42:32.240 it Satan has learned over the intervening centuries. 00:42:32.560 --> 00:42:37.600 We had the knockdown drag out fight that actually culminated in more 00:42:37.600 --> 00:42:41.440 than one war over justification. 00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:46.160 Satan is still attacking that with regard to the many false churches 00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:50.400 that exist, but he's not attacking us with that. 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.880 Because you are not going to get Lutherans who deny Article IV. 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:56.960 That's just not going to happen. 00:42:57.600 --> 00:43:00.320 But you don't need to do that if you can get them 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:03.840 to go ahead and deny the first article of the Creed. 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.560 Because if you don't have the Father, well you don't have the 00:43:06.560 --> 00:43:08.720 Son. The same as if you don't have the Son, you don't 00:43:08.640 --> 00:43:13.360 have the Father, because God is one three and one, of course, 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.600 but that is how Satan is attacking the church today. 00:43:17.600 --> 00:43:18.880 It's how he's attacking Christians. 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:23.040 He is attacking us with ontology, a word that people are going 00:43:23.040 --> 00:43:26.080 to hear a lot from this podcast, but probably not very much 00:43:26.080 --> 00:43:27.680 from anywhere else. 00:43:27.680 --> 00:43:32.320 The nature of things matters, because God is the author of that 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:36.320 nature. Yes, our nature is fallen because of sin, it is corrupted, 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.880 but God is still the author of what that nature was intended 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.240 to be, and in so far as our nature reflects what God 00:43:44.240 --> 00:43:49.600 intended it to be, it is directly God's good creature, God's good 00:43:49.600 --> 00:43:53.840 creation. And when we deny that, it is, as you said, a 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:55.680 denial of God. 00:43:55.680 --> 00:44:00.400 You cannot say that black is white and white is black. 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.680 Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. 00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:07.280 God is very clear about this in Scripture you do not get 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:11.440 to deny the reality of things, and continue to claim that you 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:15.360 are in fact still a Christian, because you've denied your Creator. 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:21.040 And all of these fights that are called social justice or critical 00:44:21.040 --> 00:44:27.680 theory, uh these things are coming from the so-called left-hand kingdom, which 00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:31.360 is a a dichotomy that we need to dissect and and put 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.000 in its proper place in a future episode. 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.600 But when pastors like Larry say, Well, if you're talking about the 00:44:37.600 --> 00:44:41.600 faith, you gotta use your name, well, it's talking about the faith 00:44:41.600 --> 00:44:45.920 to talk about sodomites and the fact that sodomites reproduce by raping 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.880 children. Uh one of the other pastors who has recently been posting 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:56.640 some some better things is uh Hans Feeney, uh the Lutheran satire 00:44:56.640 --> 00:45:00.160 guy. He's uh his last name is Feeney, but his grandf grandfather 00:45:00.160 --> 00:45:01.040 was a Preuce. 00:45:01.040 --> 00:45:04.160 He's a member of the the Preuiss uh dynasty, which I say 00:45:04.160 --> 00:45:06.640 lovingly, not not with any criticism. 00:45:06.640 --> 00:45:06.960 Um 00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:11.760 He's probably among the weakest of the prices. 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.040 The current crop, the guys like Mark and Christian are outstanding. 00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:16.960 Uh Rolf is one of the older ones. 00:45:17.200 --> 00:45:20.720 he's a great man who will boldly speak the truth about these 00:45:20.720 --> 00:45:24.480 things. And so recently uh there was a there was a comment 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.960 from uh Hans on Twitter specifically talking about the fact that sodomites 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.840 reproduced by raping children, which is a fact. 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.680 I've had hate eight I've had nine homosexual friends over the course 00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:37.040 of my life. 00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:40.640 Every single one of them had stories about their first sexual encounter 00:45:40.640 --> 00:45:43.520 with an adult when they were between 12 and 14. 00:45:43.520 --> 00:45:48.800 And they became sodomites themselves because they that was the easiest way 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.200 to cope with having been raped as a child. 00:45:51.200 --> 00:45:52.960 You they were groomed first. 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.760 Like it wasn't it was an overtly forcible rape, but no one 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.360 sane would agree that a twelve year old can consent to having 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.320 sex. And yet that was the case in each of these. 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:04.640 And 00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:09.920 so now that's anecdotal, but it's also a hundred percent anecdotes. 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:14.160 And that is borne out by the surveys and by the discussions 00:46:14.240 --> 00:46:16.560 and by just talking to these people. 00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:19.920 They will all be open if they talk long enough about the 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.200 fact that their first 00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:27.600 encounters with men of the same sex were as children. 00:46:27.600 --> 00:46:29.680 It's literally how they reproduce. 00:46:29.680 --> 00:46:32.400 Nobody wants to talk about that in the church because we we 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.000 want to talk about LGBTQIA identity. 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.800 That is such a perverse and demonic acronym. 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.280 It should never be in the mouth of any Christian, and God 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.800 forgive me for having said it. 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.080 But I want to point out the fact that when you use 00:46:46.080 --> 00:46:50.000 those the rainbow flag multicolored 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.760 aspect of well sa sexuality is just this huge it's a variety 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:56.240 of things. 00:46:56.240 --> 00:46:58.000 It can be anything. 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.160 It cuts to the heart of theology. 00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:02.880 It cuts to the heart of God made man and woman and 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.560 gave them to each other to be fruitful and multiply. 00:47:06.560 --> 00:47:10.800 And all of these perversions, which are not only damnable, but God 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.520 repeatedly can't commands the physical destruction of those who commit those things. 00:47:16.080 --> 00:47:20.880 Homosexual men will actually go even farther than just discussing those things 00:47:21.600 --> 00:47:25.520 because as a psychological defense mechanism that's part of it, they will 00:47:25.520 --> 00:47:28.720 actually go so far as to brag about how young they were, 00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:31.440 when they were molested, when they were raped. 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:35.040 And a lot of pastors, I don't think, have ever been around 00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:37.040 that subset of the population. 00:47:37.040 --> 00:47:39.120 They don't understand these things. 00:47:39.120 --> 00:47:42.800 And another thing, to go back to when you said that pastors 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.240 are at least those who are first career, not second career, not 00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:48.960 going to be as insulated, but depending on the age, still fairly 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:54.880 insulated from what's happening today, they don't realize that what you just 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:58.160 said, and by my sitting here, what I have said, and I 00:47:58.160 --> 00:48:02.000 agree with everything you said, to be explicit about it, but simply 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.560 by my sitting here, if I had just remained silent, I would 00:48:04.560 --> 00:48:07.760 be fired, if I were working at a large corporation or even 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:13.680 a medium sized one because someone would report me to HR and 00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:18.000 HR would fire me just because you said it and I was 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.080 sitting here in silence. 00:48:20.160 --> 00:48:22.560 Because I said what is in scripture. 00:48:22.560 --> 00:48:26.720 And that's where the fundamental disconnect is, where these pastors don't understand 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:28.480 all this stuff is theology. 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:32.880 Christian nationalism is theology, it's not politics. 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.080 Just as whether or not a woman can be writing a theological 00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:38.560 book is theology, it's not politics. 00:48:38.560 --> 00:48:42.320 Whether a man can have sex with a man is not politics, 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:43.680 it's theology. 00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:46.960 We have these artificial lines that we've begun to permit to be 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:51.440 drawn by Satan in our world, and they're deliberately hemming us into 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.920 a corner where there's effectively nothing left of the Christian life except 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.760 for talking about John 3.16. 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.240 And otherwise just shut up and mind your own business. 00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:03.040 And that's effectively what these pastors are doing. 00:49:03.120 --> 00:49:04.720 You had mentioned second career. 00:49:04.720 --> 00:49:07.600 And I it you're absolutely right, that the timing is vital. 00:49:07.600 --> 00:49:10.640 To his credit, Larry Bean as a second career guy, he he 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.600 originally had a uh I don't want to say a real job, 00:49:13.600 --> 00:49:15.280 but he had a professional job. 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.320 So he has experienced the real world to some extent. 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.440 But that was 15 years ago, going on 20 years ago before 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.680 he went to seminary. 00:49:23.680 --> 00:49:26.160 I can tell you from the group of guys that we have 00:49:26.160 --> 00:49:29.760 now, we have a we have a good mix of Zoomers, millennials, 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.920 and Xers in the group. 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.600 I've said this repeatedly. 00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:38.160 The 20-year-old guys in our group, the things that happened to them 00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:44.400 in college today are so much worse than that the 25-year-olds remember 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.560 that they have a hard time believing it. 00:49:46.560 --> 00:49:49.600 Now imagine someone who's got another 20 years on that. 00:49:49.600 --> 00:49:51.280 You have no frame of reference. 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:55.440 So a pastor who's been out of the workplace for fifteen years 00:49:55.680 --> 00:49:59.200 literally has no idea what the workplace is like today when it 00:49:59.200 --> 00:50:00.400 comes to these things. 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.320 He knows what it's like to have a boss, he knows what 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:05.440 it's like to have coworkers and to navigate office politics and that 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:10.960 stuff. But the specific theological warfare that's being waged by Satan against 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.920 the consciences of Christians in the workplace everywhere, pastors have no idea. 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.640 And pastors are insulated from this stuff. 00:50:18.640 --> 00:50:20.240 Now And I mentioned Hans. 00:50:20.560 --> 00:50:26.480 he alluded to these statistics about homosexuals reproducing by raping children. 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.680 When someone mentioned, once someone challenged him in the comments, he then 00:50:29.680 --> 00:50:31.680 backpedaled. And so I'm just speculating. 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.000 You know, why aren't we seeing any of those numbers? 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.960 I'm not gonna make this claim with certainty because I I wasn't 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.360 there, but I f it is my firm belief based on supposition 00:50:43.600 --> 00:50:46.720 that Hans got that and many or many of his other good 00:50:46.720 --> 00:50:50.560 recent takes on Twitter in the last two months or so from 00:50:50.560 --> 00:50:51.680 Price Chat. 00:50:51.680 --> 00:50:54.560 I think that Mark and Christian have been an influence on the 00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:57.760 things that he said online recently because they're things he's never said 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.400 before and they're things that you and I say all the time. 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.720 They're things that are quote unquote based. 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.160 They're things that we get you fired in the workplace for saying 00:51:06.160 --> 00:51:09.360 them. He's recently been saying them, which is good because when we 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:11.520 say and we get banned from Twitter, he has a he has 00:51:11.520 --> 00:51:15.120 immunity. And we get banned from Twitter by Christians for saying them. 00:51:15.120 --> 00:51:17.360 But I'm glad that someone is at least saying them and they're 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:19.760 being heard because they're vitally important. 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:24.080 Um you wanna talk a little bit about the the Stephen Wolfe 00:51:24.080 --> 00:51:25.120 book and the Thomas A. 00:51:25.120 --> 00:51:25.840 Court affair? 00:51:27.120 --> 00:51:28.240 Sure, a little bit. 00:51:28.240 --> 00:51:31.120 Uh just before that, I want to mention that I think it 00:51:31.120 --> 00:51:34.160 was two or maybe three years ago at this point, I got 00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:39.360 into the exact same issue, the fact that homosexual sodomites reproduce by 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:46.480 raping children with Dopani, uh Simoyoki, a Finnish pastor, Lutheran pastor, 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.680 and I made a statement along the Along the same lines what 00:51:49.680 --> 00:51:54.800 we've been saying, and he pushed back against it because his initial 00:51:55.040 --> 00:51:59.040 reaction, his innate sense of what he needs to do is he 00:51:59.040 --> 00:52:04.720 wants to come to the defense of impenitent sinners against a Christian. 00:52:04.720 --> 00:52:08.080 And I, of course, doubled down, but that's that is an ongoing 00:52:08.080 --> 00:52:11.520 battle that we have been having all over the place. 00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:16.560 And pastors are often either not fighting on the correct side, or 00:52:16.560 --> 00:52:19.440 simply just not fighting at all. 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.200 But to to move on to what's happened with a chord, and 00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:25.120 you'll have to fill in some of the details, I think you 00:52:25.120 --> 00:52:27.680 may have followed this more closely than I have. 00:52:27.680 --> 00:52:33.120 But essentially what happened in is a co host of Ours Politica, 00:52:33.120 --> 00:52:36.960 made some comments true comments, by and large, some of them may 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:42.640 have been it maybe a little uncharitable, harshly worded, but true statements, 00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:44.720 on a pseudonymous account. 00:52:44.720 --> 00:52:48.880 It came out that it was his account. 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.160 He's now admitted that in a post. 00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:52.480 And 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.600 essentially Twitter and other social media set up a lynch mob to 00:52:57.600 --> 00:52:59.280 destroy his life. 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.720 To get him fired, to have him lose his income. 00:53:02.720 --> 00:53:05.440 This is a man who has wife and is it one child 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:06.080 or 00:53:06.720 --> 00:53:06.960 something? I 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:07.200 think he 00:53:07.200 --> 00:53:08.160 has a couple, based on that. 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.400 Yeah, you may have may have a couple, yeah. 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:15.200 But their whole goal was just to utterly destroy this man for 00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:20.560 saying things that fifty years ago, sixty, seventy, however long, not very 00:53:20.560 --> 00:53:24.800 long ago, you could have said on TV, and no one would 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:25.920 have battened an eye. 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.680 That would have just been a normal thing to hear, and a 00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:35.120 lynch mob of insane people, evil, wicked people, decided to destroy him, 00:53:35.120 --> 00:53:39.920 many of whom prefaced their comments with as a Christian and then 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.840 went on to say the most vile things about someone who actually 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.800 is a Christian in order to destroy 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.840 him. 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:53.600 Yep. And uh the reason that the Ars Politica podcast connection is 00:53:53.600 --> 00:53:57.840 relevant is that the his co-host, Thomas's co-host of Ars Politica, is 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.400 Stephen Wolf, who wrote the recent book on Some book on Christian 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:04.640 nationalism, which is a subject we had just a couple weeks ago. 00:54:04.640 --> 00:54:04.960 So 00:54:06.640 --> 00:54:11.760 they're trying this whole thing has been a proxy attack on Christian 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.520 nationalism By 00:54:15.520 --> 00:54:16.880 evil people. 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:22.960 They see Christian nationalism as a subject, as so dangerous to the 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.200 satanic work that the devil and all of his demons are successfully 00:54:27.200 --> 00:54:29.120 advancing in the world. 00:54:29.120 --> 00:54:33.040 The they used a proxy attack of the guy, his co host, 00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:37.200 like Thomas Acord didn't, as far as I know, contribute much of 00:54:37.200 --> 00:54:38.560 anything to the book. 00:54:38.560 --> 00:54:42.080 He just happened to be a friend of Stephen Wolf, the author. 00:54:42.080 --> 00:54:47.120 It was so important to Satan to destroy anyone's ability to even 00:54:47.120 --> 00:54:50.800 think about Christian nationalism that they that they destroyed a man, they 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.240 cost him his livelihood right in the holiday season. 00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:58.320 And then when someone set up a uh give, send go, which 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.760 is like GoFundMe, except for Christians, set up a give f give, 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.560 send go charity drive for him. 00:55:04.560 --> 00:55:10.480 Christians then waged a campaign against Give Send Go to deny him 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.320 receiving that money that was charity from other Christians who wanted to 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.120 help his family because he just lost his job. 00:55:17.120 --> 00:55:18.880 U Uh which is to say they actually 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:20.080 want him to starve. 00:55:20.080 --> 00:55:21.360 Literally starve. 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:22.960 That's murder. 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:24.160 That is attempted murder. 00:55:24.160 --> 00:55:27.200 It is murder in the heart which is then manifesting itself as 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:28.960 murder of the person. 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.240 And it's being done because the things that he sa as you 00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:34.160 said, some of the things like I wouldn't have phrased it that 00:55:34.160 --> 00:55:36.880 way, but the points that he was trying to get to on 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:40.080 his anonymous account are mostly things we've already said just in the 00:55:40.080 --> 00:55:44.800 few short podcasts we've had about Christian nationalism, about race, about about 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.680 the fact that a nation is a race. 00:55:47.680 --> 00:55:52.320 If you talk about nationalism at all, you are necessarily talking about 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:58.960 racism, about kinism, about belief that blood and soil go together and 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.560 that that is scriptural. 00:56:00.560 --> 00:56:02.480 So that's what's under attack here. 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:08.560 It's ironic that the people who are so hysterical against nationalism, they're 00:56:09.040 --> 00:56:13.520 implicitly advocating empire because that's what the United States is today. 00:56:13.520 --> 00:56:14.640 It's an empire. 00:56:14.640 --> 00:56:18.800 It is a multi multi-ethnic empire, not in the sense that we 00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:22.800 have colonies in other places, but it is an empire of nations 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.280 under one political umbrella called the United States. 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:33.280 If we were a nation, there would be one racial group under 00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:35.840 its own dominion. 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:37.520 They also do kind of 00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:40.640 have colonies, but that's a discussion for another time. 00:56:40.720 --> 00:56:41.600 Yeah, it is. 00:56:41.600 --> 00:56:44.800 Yeah. But again, like if if you go back and listen to 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:48.880 what we said in the Christian nationalistm episode, it was going further 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.000 than they ever go on Mars Politico, and I think further than 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:56.480 Thomas was comfortable going in his public life. 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:56.800 But 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.880 the things that he believed were grounded in scripture because they were 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.080 true. And he was a headmaster of a Christian school, and so 00:57:04.080 --> 00:57:08.080 it's understandable that he would have been afraid to tell the truth 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:09.760 under his real name. 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.520 Not because he's well, it's it's tragic the way he handled the 00:57:13.520 --> 00:57:15.760 situation. He de did everything wrong. 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.440 Because what he did after after Rod Dre and others doxxed him 00:57:21.680 --> 00:57:26.240 and attributed his anon his pseudonymous comments to his public persona 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:32.880 rather than saying, yes, I said those things, I stand by them, 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.240 maybe I should have said something a little bit differently, but the 00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:38.800 principle of what I said is absolutely true. 00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.560 He threw himself under the bus. 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.600 He said, Oh, I was what I said was evil. 00:57:43.600 --> 00:57:46.400 I was in a dark place at that time, which is a 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:50.800 horrible thing to say, because that seeds the entire frame to the 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:55.760 left where it goes back to this whole loser anonymous troll thing 00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:59.920 to say that oh someone can only believe what he said about 00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:04.240 race if you're a loser, if you're in a dark place, if 00:58:04.240 --> 00:58:08.160 you maybe need to put under a sa psychiatric hold, those are 00:58:08.160 --> 00:58:10.880 the only people who are gonna possibly believe these things. 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.720 That throws all of us under the bus. 00:58:12.720 --> 00:58:15.280 So I wish he just kept his mouth shut because he did 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:19.920 more harm in the aftermath than by anything he ever actually said. 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.840 But these are the consequences. 00:58:22.240 --> 00:58:22.480 We 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:27.120 will need an entire episode really on tactics and frame and related 00:58:27.120 --> 00:58:30.880 topics since quite frankly Christians are terrible at it. 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:31.840 And it's a problem. 00:58:32.160 --> 00:58:33.120 Actively bad. 00:58:33.120 --> 00:58:40.240 Yeah. the the Christian impulse to apologize, to confess is weaponized 00:58:40.240 --> 00:58:44.720 by Satan in these cases, where Satan gets us confessing to things 00:58:44.720 --> 00:58:46.800 that aren't sins against God. 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.600 And as soon as you do that, you have lost God. 00:58:49.600 --> 00:58:51.360 You have made a false confession. 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.280 You are offering sacrifices. 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.080 Yes. It is a it is a first commandment violation to act 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:02.320 to offer sacrifices to other gods, which is exactly what all these 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:04.640 confessions of false sins are. 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:09.600 But again, this goes back to the central point of this episode 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.160 that Thomas Acord was a public figure on Ars Political and he 00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:16.720 was already hated for some of the things he said. 00:59:16.720 --> 00:59:21.200 But when his co host published a book about Christian nationalism, the 00:59:21.200 --> 00:59:24.880 things that his that Thomas had also said about Christian nationalism on 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:29.920 Twitter under a pseudonym suddenly became a way to destroy it. 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:32.400 And the things that they want to destroy are the things that 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:33.440 are true. 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.960 And this get back gets back to what we were talking about 00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:41.280 earlier with Hans making his comments and Larry calling us cowards, me 00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:43.840 in particular a coward, because Larry doesn't know my name. 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.040 So he can't call my pastor and say mean things about me. 00:59:47.040 --> 00:59:49.760 He has to just call me a coward online, which is fine, 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:50.400 that's his right. 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:54.800 It's sin, but we all have the right quote unquote to sin. 00:59:55.520 --> 00:59:58.640 The reason I said earlier that these pastors I think are hiding 00:59:58.640 --> 01:00:02.000 behind their collars is that there's an implicit presumption in 01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:07.600 the claims from men like Larry and Hans when they say, well, 01:00:07.600 --> 01:00:12.320 if you just used your name, you would proclaim the truth boldly. 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:17.040 The implicit claim that they are making is that with their collars 01:00:17.040 --> 01:00:20.960 on, with the real names, they're making the boldest proclamation. 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:24.880 And then no one could possibly make a bolder proclamation than they 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.760 are. And that's what's really playing out here. 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:34.480 Because someone who's pseudonymous says something that is quote unquote further to 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:39.280 the right than these men, rather than as in the case of 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:39.840 the Mrs. 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.520 Lackey episode, rather than saying, Well, yeah, it is actually a question 01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:47.120 whether girls should be teaching theology, what do they do? 01:00:47.120 --> 01:00:50.880 They punch right because suddenly there is a man who has emerged 01:00:51.040 --> 01:00:53.360 who is trying to be more godly than them. 01:00:53.600 --> 01:00:57.360 And there's nothing that pisses off a Christian faster than someone who 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.160 seems to be less with sin than them. 01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:05.680 Now, on one hand, there is the obvious scriptural warrant against a 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:08.720 claiming to be without sin, which none of us would do. 01:01:08.720 --> 01:01:12.560 I I could start an entire podcast separately spin-off from this about 01:01:12.560 --> 01:01:15.120 what a terrible person I have been in my life and all 01:01:15.120 --> 01:01:17.440 the s the sins I continue to struggle with. 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:22.160 The fact that I'm here talking should never In anyone's mind, imply 01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:24.640 that I think I'm free from any degree of sin. 01:01:24.640 --> 01:01:25.920 I know I'm terrible. 01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.880 I'm less terrible than I was a few years ago because I've 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.040 begun to confront these things more directly. 01:01:31.040 --> 01:01:34.400 And I've begun to confront these things more directly by looking to 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:38.960 scripture. And when I look to scripture, I find things like women 01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:40.720 to remain silent in the churches. 01:01:40.720 --> 01:01:43.280 I find things like women are to have their heads covered in 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:47.120 church, which is another scandal that's brewing in the Lutheran church. 01:01:47.120 --> 01:01:53.280 When men who are not pastors find these things that were, as 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:56.240 you said, they were the norm before Vatican II. 01:01:56.240 --> 01:02:00.080 They were the norm in all of Christianity, not just Lutheranism. 01:02:00.080 --> 01:02:02.320 Women covered their heads in the 50s. 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:04.640 Women didn't vote. 01:02:04.640 --> 01:02:06.880 What a preposterous idea of voting in church. 01:02:07.120 --> 01:02:08.800 it's despicable. 01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.600 Yet these things that are normative today that are defended vehemently are 01:02:14.080 --> 01:02:15.520 they're anachronistic. 01:02:15.680 --> 01:02:18.720 they don't they have no place in a church where 01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:23.920 these things have never had any any scriptural justification. 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:24.240 So 01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:26.720 men read the Bible. 01:02:26.720 --> 01:02:30.000 They say, Hey Pastor, this isn't what we're doing. 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.280 What's the deal? 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:36.160 Rather than the pastors having their consciences convicted by the Holy Spirit, 01:02:36.160 --> 01:02:39.120 they punch right, they attack right hard. 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:43.760 They won't go after the Alka pastors that they're buddy buddy with 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:48.960 on Twitter for having been ordained by women dressed up in drag 01:02:49.040 --> 01:02:52.560 as tranny pastors like Ryan Cordle, who's good friends with lots of 01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:53.600 Buffalo Twitter. 01:02:53.600 --> 01:02:56.720 They won't go after them, even though they're an open or unrepentant 01:02:56.720 --> 01:03:00.480 sin, and they are in a synod that is going to hell 01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:03.520 collectively unless they become Christian again. 01:03:03.520 --> 01:03:05.200 No, they punch right. 01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:07.680 They go after the guy who says, Hey, maybe we should be 01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:09.680 doing better than we are doing. 01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:13.360 Because for you to say that a Christian could possibly sin is 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:14.960 the worst thing you can ever do. 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:18.960 To say that someone could possibly sin these men take as evil 01:03:19.200 --> 01:03:20.080 when it's not. 01:03:20.080 --> 01:03:21.440 It is Christian love. 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:22.720 Is there a bad way to do it? 01:03:22.720 --> 01:03:23.520 Yeah, absolutely. 01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:27.040 There's there're terrible ways to say, Amen, I think you're sinning. 01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:30.640 We try to avoid those and we it sometimes it's a struggle 01:03:30.640 --> 01:03:34.320 to avoid them, but that gives no one the excuse not to 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:38.640 make the clear confession of the faith that is commanded of every 01:03:38.640 --> 01:03:41.920 Christian. And if you can't confess boldly, shut your mouth. 01:03:43.040 --> 01:03:45.600 I don't fault someone who doesn't want to lose his job and 01:03:45.600 --> 01:03:47.920 his mortgage from saying nothing. 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.920 But if you want to wade into these waters, you better say 01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:53.040 what God says. 01:03:53.040 --> 01:03:56.000 You better not attack men because they're doing a better job than 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:57.840 you. And that's what we're facing today. 01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.160 And that's what the pseudonymity fight is about. 01:04:00.160 --> 01:04:04.160 Is it the the men who were caught anonymous, the pseudonymous men, 01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:08.320 who are speaking with the clarity of scripture that the pastors will 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.320 not, they're putting them to shame. 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.440 And I think these pastors know that they are shamed by the 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.160 men who are speaking more clearly than they are. 01:04:16.160 --> 01:04:19.920 How many of these pastors who claim to be boldly confessing everything 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:23.440 in scripture have women voting in their congregations. 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.480 I would wager that's probably the majority, if not all of them. 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:27.040 I don't know. 01:04:27.040 --> 01:04:28.880 I you know it you can you can find it on some 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:30.320 of their websites. 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.480 But that's an evil thing. 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.760 That's an evil anachronistic thing that has no place in the church 01:04:36.240 --> 01:04:38.560 and yet it is normed today. 01:04:38.560 --> 01:04:41.360 And so these guys who are like, Well, you and Anns, you 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.240 should you should boldly confess like I am, and then they keep 01:04:44.240 --> 01:04:46.800 their mouth shut when this stuff is going on Give me a 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:48.480 break. That's not a bold confession. 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.640 That's hiding behind your collar. 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:55.360 Well and how many are communing women who support abortion or men 01:04:55.360 --> 01:05:00.240 who support abortion or open communists or any of a number of 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:06.320 extremely high profile, obvious, explicit sins. 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.960 How many pastors even address the issue of abortion? 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:16.560 at most you may get a tangential throwaway line in a sermon 01:05:16.560 --> 01:05:20.960 that implies that maybe abortion isn't such a good idea. 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:24.720 But how often are pastors actually addressing the things that they know 01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:27.120 will get them in hot water? 01:05:27.120 --> 01:05:31.520 Well, maybe there's something in scripture about hotter cold instead of lukewarm, 01:05:31.520 --> 01:05:34.640 and maybe these pastors should be concerned about what they are doing 01:05:34.640 --> 01:05:37.200 and are not doing. 01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:39.280 But like you said, they always punch right. 01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:41.920 It's always the the hand of fellowship to the left 01:05:43.200 --> 01:05:46.160 and nothing but violence toward the right. 01:05:46.160 --> 01:05:50.800 Because they want to look good to themselves and to the world. 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:53.680 They want to be friendly with the world, and they don't want 01:05:53.680 --> 01:05:58.320 anyone who, by contrast, makes them look like, well, maybe you aren't 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.160 actually that Christian. 01:06:00.160 --> 01:06:04.320 Maybe you aren't actually obeying what God says because it looks like 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:08.240 this person over here is actually saying the same things we find 01:06:08.240 --> 01:06:09.600 in this book. 01:06:09.600 --> 01:06:11.840 And you are watering them down. 01:06:14.240 --> 01:06:14.480 I 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.280 have to agree with the the way you made the abortion point, 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.760 but I think that there's a way to make it correct. 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:24.400 My anecdotal experience in the LCMS has been that every congregation I've 01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.920 ever been a part of has been rapidly pro-life. 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:32.960 They've been very active in protesting abortion in funding for uh care 01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:36.560 centers to help those who were considering abortions. 01:06:36.560 --> 01:06:40.000 But where I would absolutely agree with you I think virtually every 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.800 pastor falls down is to call the woman who seeks an abortion 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:44.320 a murderer. 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:44.960 Yes, exactly. 01:06:45.120 --> 01:06:46.240 Because the abor yeah. 01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:48.240 The abortion is always about the doctor. 01:06:48.240 --> 01:06:50.320 It's always about saving the life of a baby. 01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:53.360 It's never about a mother Yeah. 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:57.040 But it's never ever about a mother hiring a hitman to murder 01:06:57.040 --> 01:07:00.080 her child and whether or not there are any women in in 01:07:00.080 --> 01:07:03.840 his congregation who have hired Hitman, which is w all an abortion 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:06.640 quote unquote doctor is, to murder her child. 01:07:06.640 --> 01:07:06.800 Now 01:07:07.120 --> 01:07:09.200 Well because women don't sin, right? 01:07:09.520 --> 01:07:13.040 Yeah, well that's it's it's not chivalrous to chivalrous to say that 01:07:13.040 --> 01:07:14.880 they could possibly do anything yet. 01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:16.240 And so like it's 01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.120 the point to make is the and again 01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:26.160 bold confession also has to be done with sanity. 01:07:26.160 --> 01:07:29.280 Everything that I say on this podcast is the sort of thing 01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:33.280 thing that I say in person to people when the situation arises. 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.800 Sometimes I keep my mouth shut because I'm not a spurg. 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:38.480 I'm not insane. 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:41.920 I know based on the context and the people I'm dealing with 01:07:42.080 --> 01:07:45.280 whether or not I can have a fruitful conversation. 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:51.520 So if someone, if someone at my congregation is openly pro-feminist, am 01:07:51.520 --> 01:07:56.000 I going to go directly after the things that fly in the 01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:57.040 face of that? 01:07:57.040 --> 01:08:00.400 No. Not because it's not true, not because I'm ashamed of my 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.360 confession, but because I know that the only way to change a 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:07.600 feminist's heart is to go around, to find some way to address 01:08:07.600 --> 01:08:10.800 those errors, and frankly the way is to to get back to 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:16.000 headship, which yes, it necessarily imp implicates feminism, but it's not a 01:08:16.400 --> 01:08:17.520 direct attack. 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.880 It becomes an attack when they realize what's going on, but by 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.800 then you're having a scriptural conversation. 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:26.000 You're not having a personal one of accusation. 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:30.640 So that's the difference between personal conversations and ones that happen online. 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.760 As we talked about in the teaching episode number one, there are 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:39.040 one-to-one relationships and there are one-to-many relationships where you discuss these things. 01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:43.040 Posting on Twitter or on a podcast or elsewhere is inherently one 01:08:43.040 --> 01:08:43.760 to many. 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.640 So I speak with my voice and say 01:08:48.160 --> 01:08:51.440 most everything that I think as I can convey it to people 01:08:51.440 --> 01:08:52.800 who will be receptive. 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:55.840 Do I say absolutely everything I think on this podcast? 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:57.680 No, because it wouldn't be fruitful. 01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:01.040 In private conversation, I'll have those conversations with individuals. 01:09:01.040 --> 01:09:04.160 But again, is it's not a question of shame where that I 01:09:04.160 --> 01:09:06.240 think that I'm hiding my sin from God. 01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:09.040 I don't think those things are sinful, but there are things that 01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:11.360 would not be productive to say on a podcast. 01:09:11.360 --> 01:09:14.560 There are things that I believe that would get this podcast deleted 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.640 from all the podcast listings. 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:20.640 So I will skirt those lines not out of shame or out 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:24.560 of a fear of proc proclamation, but understanding if I get shut 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:26.800 down, no one hears anything. 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.160 So there's a time and a place to address things, and I 01:09:30.160 --> 01:09:36.000 don't I don't fault people for choosing their battles, but like I 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.680 said, choosing your battles means keeping your mouth shut, which I will 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:43.520 do. I'll keep my mouth shut when the situation calls for it. 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:48.320 Choosing your battles is never about punching quote unquote right. 01:09:48.320 --> 01:09:50.960 I I think that we're discussing this a few days ago. 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.160 I think the left-right spectrum, we all agree, is is just about 01:09:54.160 --> 01:09:57.440 worthless. But at the same time, you kind of know what somebody 01:09:57.440 --> 01:10:00.960 means. When someone's to the left, th there's an implication there that 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.440 you can clearly understand what's going on. 01:10:03.440 --> 01:10:08.960 I think that at the far left you have absolute satanic debauchery. 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.120 You have complete departure from everything that God wants. 01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:18.160 And the closer you get to the right, ultimately, the closer you 01:10:18.160 --> 01:10:20.800 get to God's will, which is not to say that what is 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:24.560 on the quote unquote far right is necessarily godly Because there are 01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:27.120 a lot of pagans in those places who are 01:10:28.080 --> 01:10:33.360 instinctively trying to seek out godly things without knowing God, and that's 01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:34.480 never gonna work. 01:10:34.480 --> 01:10:36.160 They're always gonna make a mess. 01:10:36.160 --> 01:10:39.600 Which is why I initially began talking about my Christian faith on 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:41.200 Twitter about five years ago. 01:10:41.200 --> 01:10:44.640 I rebranded from one account to another and started talking about my 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.360 faith because I saw this very issue. 01:10:47.360 --> 01:10:52.400 I saw that the confusion of politics and theology was actively destructive 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:55.040 and was doing harm in the world. 01:10:55.040 --> 01:10:59.840 And I saw these guys on the right who didn't have God, 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:06.640 but they had godly instincts about family, about vocation, about justice that 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:11.600 are true and correct and fit perfectly within a Christian worldview. 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:15.040 And I look and see pastors attacking them for saying For saying 01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:15.920 those things. 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:18.160 And all I can do is grasp my head and think, what 01:11:18.160 --> 01:11:19.440 are these men doing? 01:11:19.440 --> 01:11:22.480 Trying to drive these men away from the church who are seeking 01:11:22.480 --> 01:11:25.280 out God in the best way that anyone can. 01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:28.880 But the pastors attack them because they're talking about things that are 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:32.640 more godly than anything the pastor is willing to to uphold within 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.560 uh within his congregation. 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.160 And that's what this fight is about. 01:11:36.160 --> 01:11:42.160 When someone is pseudonymous, when they don't face the immediate destruction of 01:11:42.160 --> 01:11:48.000 their personal life, of their family, of their livelihood, of their physical 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:51.600 safety. Yes, you can say things that can't be said by someone 01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:53.600 who has a gun pointed at his head. 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:58.400 No kidding And so for pastors to call us cowards because we 01:11:58.400 --> 01:12:04.640 don't expose our names and faces, is it is itself cowardly. 01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:07.040 And let them go attack the left. 01:12:07.040 --> 01:12:10.400 Let them go attack the men who who learn at the feet 01:12:10.400 --> 01:12:14.000 of sodomites rather than rebuking them, and then we will have a 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:17.200 conversation about who is closer to what God wants. 01:12:19.120 --> 01:12:19.360 I 01:12:19.360 --> 01:12:24.720 actually don't think I've seen a single pastor on Twitter, incidentally, attack 01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:27.920 the leftists who all use pseudonyms. 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:29.600 It's always the right. 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:36.560 And I think we would do well to look at uh scripture, 01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:37.760 as always. 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:41.680 I don't think that Christ called us to be as smart as 01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:49.280 sheep. He used a different term there for a good reason. 01:12:49.440 --> 01:12:54.800 Yep. Modern Christianity is all about the innocent as doves and completely 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.440 leaves out the wise serpents part. 01:12:57.440 --> 01:13:02.080 And that that's a tough saying, like many of Jesus' sayings, because 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:07.280 the the serpent was the craftiest of all animals and and Satan 01:13:07.280 --> 01:13:10.640 possessed one and and caused this whole mess. 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.520 But what We are not to be stupid. 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:15.120 We are not to be fools. 01:13:15.120 --> 01:13:17.680 Being foolish is damnable. 01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:18.800 It is a sin. 01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.280 To be a fool will send you to hell. 01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:23.040 Scripture's clear about that. 01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:28.160 And I think that the the modern consumption conception of Christianity, even 01:13:28.160 --> 01:13:32.080 within Lutheranism, is to embrace foolishness. 01:13:32.080 --> 01:13:35.280 Now, not directly, but it's always done for the sake of the 01:13:35.280 --> 01:13:38.640 gospel. Well, we we need to be foolish so that these people 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:40.160 can have more Jesus. 01:13:40.160 --> 01:13:43.440 Why are you trying to give Jesus to people who are unrepentant 01:13:43.440 --> 01:13:44.960 in their sin? 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:52.080 I the the the law gospel dichotomy is a valuable distinction, 01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:53.360 but it has to 01:13:54.480 --> 01:13:58.640 correctly admit that you don't give the gospel to people who were 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:00.080 deny the law. 01:14:00.080 --> 01:14:03.040 You may you may hold it out as a promise to those 01:14:03.040 --> 01:14:06.640 who will follow the law, who understand the law, but 01:14:09.120 --> 01:14:12.880 to say to someone who's unrepentant in their sin, let me tell 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:16.800 you about Jesus and how you're all forgiven, is incoherent because they're 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.200 unrepentant. They're like, but I'm free from sin. 01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:22.960 You have to start with convicting the conscience before you can get 01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:24.720 to the absolution. 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:29.280 And these pastors who fleer flee from the pseudonymous 01:14:30.160 --> 01:14:32.720 Are afraid of having their consciousness convicted. 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:34.880 That's ultimately what they're fleeing from. 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:38.960 They don't want to hear men speaking about scripture in a way 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:42.720 that might possibly convict their own words and actions. 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.640 And that's not to say that we're sitting in judgment or that 01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.520 we are greater church Christians by any measure. 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:53.680 Uh a pastor devotes his entire life to one of sacrifice on 01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:55.840 behalf of his sheep as a shepherd. 01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:57.760 I have tremendous respect for that. 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:01.440 So As hard as you'll ever hear me be on pastors, it 01:15:01.440 --> 01:15:05.040 is precisely because of the importance of the pastoral office that we 01:15:05.040 --> 01:15:09.200 are so adamant that pastors must be faithful and must not make 01:15:09.200 --> 01:15:10.320 these errors. 01:15:10.320 --> 01:15:12.560 Uh, one of my friends pointed out this past week the great 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:13.840 irony that um 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:18.560 all these pastors whose salaries are paid by men who are anonymous 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:23.280 online are telling them to become non anonymous and get fired and 01:15:23.280 --> 01:15:24.320 lose their jobs. 01:15:24.320 --> 01:15:27.040 What these pastors think is gonna happen to their salaries when everybody 01:15:27.120 --> 01:15:28.000 gets fired. 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:32.320 When the most faithful men in your congregations who understand the ontological 01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:36.320 nature of these fights, when they get fired by the sodomite and 01:15:36.320 --> 01:15:40.400 their HR department for saying that sodomy is damnable. 01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:42.160 Who's gonna pay your bills? 01:15:42.160 --> 01:15:45.040 How are you gonna afford Christmas for your kids when everyone in 01:15:45.040 --> 01:15:47.280 your parish can't afford to donate anything? 01:15:47.280 --> 01:15:48.640 That's a real question. 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.840 And that's what this this fight comes down to is to say 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.080 that the bold Christian confession has to be mindless is 01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.080 it's exactly what Satan wants. 01:16:00.080 --> 01:16:02.800 Satan wants men to be 01:16:04.080 --> 01:16:07.120 as innocent as doves and as dumb as sheep. 01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:10.800 There's no wisdom permitted in the world that Satan is seeking. 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.320 Because as long as men one by one get sent into the 01:16:14.320 --> 01:16:20.800 meat grinder of Sol Alinsky's personal destruction, no one will ever be 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:22.720 able to join voice voices. 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:26.000 And the fight over Christian nationalism and all these other things things 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:29.760 is fundamentally about keeping each of us atomized to make sure that 01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:34.000 there's no unity of voice, that there's no consistency, that we all 01:16:34.160 --> 01:16:37.520 one by one, you say your weird little thing, and you then 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:40.000 you get doxxed, and then you have to admit how terrible you 01:16:40.160 --> 01:16:42.080 were and what a dark place you were in your life when 01:16:42.080 --> 01:16:42.880 you said it. 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.760 And then everyone says, Oh shucks, that's too bad. 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.480 And you get your gifts and go canceled and then you're destroyed 01:16:48.480 --> 01:16:49.200 for life. 01:16:49.200 --> 01:16:51.360 One by one, they want our us destroyed. 01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:53.280 They want us isolated and kept apart. 01:16:53.440 --> 01:16:56.800 And the whole point of Christian nationalism, the whole point of the 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:03.040 coop the push towards overt Christian unity in subjection to God is 01:17:03.040 --> 01:17:06.240 to say, hey, if all of us sheep are together in a 01:17:06.240 --> 01:17:08.640 herd, the wolves can't pick us off. 01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.760 We get picked off when we're separated from the herd. 01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.720 That's why the lost sheep was such a big deal, because that 01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:19.120 one sheep of the ninety-nine was out alone, and the ninety-nine were 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:21.040 safe. They were together. 01:17:21.040 --> 01:17:23.760 They were still dumb as sheep, but they had strength in numbers 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:27.200 because there was unity of just the mass of them. 01:17:27.200 --> 01:17:30.000 It was the one sheep who was in danger because he was 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.240 off alone fending for himself. 01:17:32.320 --> 01:17:35.440 And that's what Satan's trying to do to everyone: pick us off, 01:17:35.440 --> 01:17:39.360 destroy us, send examples so that no one else will ever stray. 01:17:39.360 --> 01:17:43.120 Only in this case, the straying is not from Christianity, but it's 01:17:43.120 --> 01:17:46.560 straying from our churches into Christianity. 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:48.880 And that's the fight that this is about. 01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:54.720 So as the as we wrap this episode up, I want to 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:58.240 make a shocking reveal to won't really be a shock to anyone 01:17:58.240 --> 01:18:02.880 who's actually paid close attention to previous episodes, but this is also 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:06.720 an episode about headship, uh, as pretty much all of them have 01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:12.160 been. Uh the way that headship interacts with pseudonymity versus knowing a 01:18:12.160 --> 01:18:15.600 man's name uh points us back to scripture. 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.280 When we look at the sixth day of creation in Genesis two 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:23.440 where Adam was created, uh let me just read this briefly. 01:18:23.440 --> 01:18:26.400 Then the Lord God said, It is not good that the man 01:18:26.400 --> 01:18:27.440 should be alone. 01:18:27.440 --> 01:18:29.680 I will make him a helper fit for him. 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.560 Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:35.040 of the field and every bird of bird of the heavens, and 01:18:35.040 --> 01:18:37.920 brought them to the man to see what he would call them. 01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:42.240 And whatever the man called every living creature that was its name. 01:18:42.240 --> 01:18:45.040 The man gave names to the livestock and to the birds of 01:18:45.040 --> 01:18:47.920 the heavens, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:50.240 there was not found a helper fit for him. 01:18:50.240 --> 01:18:53.040 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the 01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:56.560 man, and while he slept took one of his ribs, and closed 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:58.160 up its place with flesh. 01:18:58.160 --> 01:19:00.720 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.080 he made into a woman and brought her to the man, then 01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:07.360 the man said, This at last is bone of my bones and 01:19:07.360 --> 01:19:08.720 flesh of my flesh. 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:13.520 She shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man. 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:17.440 Now note that in both cases there for both all the animals 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:24.720 and then for the woman who was created, Adam as the designated 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:29.920 head of creation under God had authority over the creatures and over 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:34.080 Eve by virtue and as as a part of his headship that 01:19:34.080 --> 01:19:36.080 included naming them. 01:19:36.080 --> 01:19:40.480 Now that's very significant because to to have a name is to 01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:43.280 have some form of authority over it. 01:19:43.280 --> 01:19:45.680 Um you know when you when you're talking to someone, one of 01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:47.440 the first things you do is is you want to ask their 01:19:47.440 --> 01:19:50.640 name. And that's sort of the natural inclination online, except that in 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:55.600 a place where pseudonymity is completely normative, it kind of shifts gears. 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.400 And so when pastors are saying, I need to know your real 01:19:58.400 --> 01:20:03.280 name, they're not simply as cause you as Corey you mentioned earlier, 01:20:03.280 --> 01:20:05.360 they're not simply trying to clarify. 01:20:05.360 --> 01:20:08.560 They're attempting to assert authority over you. 01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:11.440 And And we can see this made clear at the other end 01:20:11.440 --> 01:20:14.560 of the scripture in Revelation 19. 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:18.400 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, the one 01:20:18.400 --> 01:20:22.160 sitting on it was is called faithful and true, and in righteousness 01:20:22.160 --> 01:20:24.080 he judges and makes war. 01:20:24.080 --> 01:20:26.880 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head 01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:30.560 are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:32.240 knows but himself. 01:20:32.240 --> 01:20:36.560 No Now, uh sometimes in the past Christians have sort of fixated 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:38.240 on this secret name of God. 01:20:38.240 --> 01:20:41.200 It's not particularly the New Testament. 01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:46.240 The implication for us that there is a name of God that 01:20:46.240 --> 01:20:50.320 is not known to us is one of authority. 01:20:50.320 --> 01:20:53.600 God has not given us that name to call him by because 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:58.480 it is his own and he has authority because only he knows 01:20:58.480 --> 01:21:02.560 it. And that's exactly what the you're a pseudonymous coward thing comes 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.520 down to, is that pastors don't know our in our names, so 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:08.400 they don't have authority over us, and they seek to reveal that 01:21:08.400 --> 01:21:12.080 which is hidden from them as an act of dominance 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:17.280 so when we go back to what Larry Bean and uh 01:21:19.040 --> 01:21:23.840 the other pastor on Godstein said uh John Busman uh related to 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.280 pseudonymity, I just want to quote Larry again. 01:21:27.280 --> 01:21:31.360 He accused me and and my friends of quote, approaching theology with 01:21:31.360 --> 01:21:35.760 the mindset of a cowering keyboard warrior using a pseudonym. 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:40.320 Now, this is particularly rich coming from Larry to say that 01:21:41.280 --> 01:21:44.880 you're a coward if you don't use your real name, thereby implying 01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:49.520 that he who uses his real name has the strength and the 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:53.920 courage that is r denied to those who do not use the 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:54.560 real name. 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:58.080 This is funny because I know for a fact that Larry Bean 01:21:58.400 --> 01:22:01.920 is well aware of the demon that we mentioned last week. 01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:06.400 Rick McCafferty is a pulpit is a Lutheran pastor in our own 01:22:06.400 --> 01:22:09.920 pulpits. He is an open and unrepentant universalist. 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:11.040 And Larry knows this. 01:22:11.040 --> 01:22:13.440 Larry's known about this for many months. 01:22:13.440 --> 01:22:16.240 Now, Larry has never said anything about it on his blog. 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.960 He's never said anything about Goddess Deanst. 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:19.840 He has multiple blogs. 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:21.600 I couldn't say anything anywhere. 01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:23.920 I don't care if he wrote a letter to Rick McCaffrey's beat 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.560 DP or not, who by the way endorses this stuff because he 01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:30.080 put it on the district website. 01:22:30.080 --> 01:22:36.160 Larry is the coward here because Larry, rather than punching to his 01:22:36.160 --> 01:22:41.040 own level, going after pastors and pulpits that he shares by virtue 01:22:41.040 --> 01:22:44.640 of also being in the synod, there's a man who's a universalist, 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.960 who's going to hell and is going to take his sheep with 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:48.320 him. Larry knows. 01:22:48.320 --> 01:22:49.520 Larry is silent. 01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.360 He's completely silent. 01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:54.960 I am naming Rick McCafferty, and other Anands have gone after him 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:57.200 as well because no pastors will do it. 01:22:57.200 --> 01:22:57.360 Now 01:22:58.480 --> 01:23:00.640 tell me who's the coward. 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.680 I'm using a pseudonym, but I'm naming a real man. 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:04.960 Is that cowardly? 01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:06.480 No. The point is the church. 01:23:06.480 --> 01:23:08.720 The point is what's happening in the church. 01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:13.120 The reason that these men like Larry are pissed off that there 01:23:13.120 --> 01:23:17.360 are synonymous men addressing these issues, yet that the m is that 01:23:17.360 --> 01:23:19.440 the men like Larry are too afraid to do it. 01:23:19.440 --> 01:23:20.320 Because you know what? 01:23:20.320 --> 01:23:25.360 The Missouri Synod amended its bylaws to make it a corporate crime 01:23:25.360 --> 01:23:30.000 for a pastor to publicly denounce another pastor's faithlessness. 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.200 That's evil. 01:23:31.200 --> 01:23:32.880 That is absolutely evil. 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:36.000 This is an evil synod today that would say that a pastor 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:39.520 is enjoined from addressing the error of others publicly. 01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:42.160 That has never happened in the history of theology. 01:23:42.160 --> 01:23:46.240 And it's wound up in in false interpretations of the eighth commandment 01:23:46.240 --> 01:23:49.680 in Matthew eighteen that have been roundly refuted for a long time. 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:53.440 Gottestine Set Stealth published something that I transcribed a number of months 01:23:53.440 --> 01:23:58.800 ago from uh Professor Marquardt who's sainted now, who clearly laid out 01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:02.880 that these claims that if a pastor or anyone else does something 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:07.200 theological and you don't like it because it's not scriptural, you must 01:24:07.200 --> 01:24:09.360 approach them in private to deal with it. 01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:10.400 That's nonsense. 01:24:10.400 --> 01:24:11.360 It's not scriptural. 01:24:11.360 --> 01:24:12.400 It's not from God. 01:24:12.400 --> 01:24:16.800 What is, is it's camouflage and it's cover for evil men to 01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:18.640 continue doing their evil things. 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:22.000 So Corey, you and I are addressing these things publicly because they 01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:23.040 are public matters. 01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:27.440 Rick McCafferty is a public universalist, and Larry Bean is a public 01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:29.360 coward for not naming him. 01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:34.000 Rather he punches down i ironically the very men who are further 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:37.840 to the right than him who are pseudonymous who defend him when 01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:41.600 other pastors, like Matt Stanick and Jeremy Stankey and some of these 01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:46.480 other vipers slander him for being a Confederate, as though sad somehow 01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:47.840 that's a bad thing. 01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.040 When Larry respects his ancestors 01:24:52.240 --> 01:24:54.960 from the South, he's obeying the fourth commandment. 01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:56.880 There's nothing evil about that. 01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:00.480 But just like these guys attack Christian nationalism, they attack all these 01:25:00.480 --> 01:25:04.640 other things in they attack racism, it is fundamentally all an attack 01:25:05.040 --> 01:25:05.920 on the church. 01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:10.480 So for Larry to be attacking Anans, quote unquote, he's attacking the 01:25:10.480 --> 01:25:12.880 only guys in the Senate who actually have his back. 01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:13.840 And I have his back too. 01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:14.720 I really like Larry. 01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:15.840 I respect him a lot. 01:25:16.160 --> 01:25:19.600 by calling him out here, I'm not disavowing him or throwing under 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:20.160 the bus. 01:25:20.160 --> 01:25:27.520 I'm simply pointing out that this misconstrual of pseudonymity as some vice 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:31.280 or some weakness is nonsense in its And it's punching to the 01:25:31.280 --> 01:25:34.720 right and it's attacking the very men who were the frankly the 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:38.080 only ones who were actually fighting for what remains of this synod's 01:25:38.080 --> 01:25:41.440 faithfulness. Yeah, Godestine's a is a great place and I like what 01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:43.760 they do, but they're fighting for the liturgy. 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:46.640 that fight is in the rear view mirror. 01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:49.760 We're fighting now for the first article for whether or not we 01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:51.280 even believe in God anymore. 01:25:51.280 --> 01:25:53.200 That's what we're losing control of. 01:25:53.200 --> 01:25:56.880 I love the liturgy, but it's not protecting us from these universalists 01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.880 any more than the Constitution has protected this country from people subverting 01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:04.800 it. Because when you take something like the liturgy or the constitution, 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:08.160 you can use it as cover for whatever you want to do. 01:26:08.160 --> 01:26:12.160 And addressing that is something that the Anands doing, that the Pseudonymus 01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:13.040 are doing. 01:26:13.040 --> 01:26:16.960 And I welcome the support of other pastors to get out in 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:18.000 front of these things. 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.040 Like we said on the very first episode, Corey and I are 01:26:21.040 --> 01:26:24.640 the stones who are crying out because these men, these pastors who 01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:27.840 are not anonymous, are failing to do so. 01:26:28.080 --> 01:26:32.240 We would have nothing to say if these pastors who hate pseudonymity 01:26:32.240 --> 01:26:36.240 would just do their damn jobs and if they think it's their 01:26:36.240 --> 01:26:39.520 job to punch down and to attack the pseudonymous men who are 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:44.080 addressing theology, then they certainly must confess that there's it's their job 01:26:44.080 --> 01:26:47.680 to address universalists and vipers in their own pulpits. 01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:49.360 So let's see that happen.