WEBVTT 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:39.440 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. 00:00:39.440 --> 00:00:40.480 I am Corey J. 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:41.120 Mahler. 00:00:41.360 --> 00:00:41.520 And 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:42.880 I'm Wo. 00:00:44.480 --> 00:00:47.760 So today we're going to be talking about Christian nationalism. 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.400 This is a subject that has been hot and heavy in the 00:00:50.400 --> 00:00:51.680 news very recently. 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:55.200 Uh it has been a number of books have been published. 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.480 There's a lot of chatter online about it. 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:01.680 It's a subject that you and I, Corey, have been talking about 00:01:01.680 --> 00:01:02.400 for a number of years. 00:01:02.400 --> 00:01:06.080 It's something we've both written about to some extent in the past. 00:01:06.320 --> 00:01:08.880 And it's frankly we know more about it than a lot of 00:01:08.880 --> 00:01:11.760 people, just because we've been thinking about it for a long time. 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.800 Uh and so this is well-trodden ground for us. 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:17.840 We're not gonna this will be more of a a conversational episode, 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:18.960 hopefully, than the last couple, just because 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.640 uh we we can we can freewheel this and we're gonna do 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:25.200 a good job because this is our home turf. 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:30.320 Um and the reason is because it is so vitally important to 00:01:31.440 --> 00:01:37.120 recognize that a Christian nation is what God desires. 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:41.680 Christian nationalism is what God expects from us. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.520 And we're going to talk uh at some length uh initially about 00:01:45.520 --> 00:01:50.800 the definitions of both nation as in nationalism and then Christian, uh, 00:01:50.800 --> 00:01:54.640 because those are the reflections of what's commonly called the two kingdoms 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:58.000 in theology, the kingdom of the left hand of God and the 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.880 kingdom of the right hand of God, with the left hand being 00:02:00.880 --> 00:02:06.160 political and the right hand being spiritual or soteriological, basically church and 00:02:06.160 --> 00:02:08.480 state, or state and church. 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:12.720 The reason that this is something that there are a number of 00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:15.520 historical reasons why why people sort of go off the rails when 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.600 they tackle these things, but first we're going to talk about why 00:02:19.600 --> 00:02:23.680 the words themselves, particularly the word nation and national nationalist have been 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.080 so profoundly subverted. 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:30.080 Uh as we go on in the series, uh listeners will will 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.040 recognize that we are frequently spending a lot of time defining terms. 00:02:35.040 --> 00:02:38.080 And I hope that that never comes across as gimmicky. 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.520 Uh it's not something that we're just doing to to be spurgy 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:46.400 or to kind of wheedle and and make bizarre points. 00:02:46.480 --> 00:02:51.520 The reason for discussing the the etymology and the origins of words 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.800 is specifically because so many words have been intentionally subverted by those 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.920 who seek the destruction of godly things. 00:02:59.920 --> 00:03:03.280 Uh this was one of the premises of nineteen eighty four was 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:09.920 that when the language itself is captured, it's possible to render certain 00:03:09.920 --> 00:03:14.640 thoughts literally unthinkable, as in the human mind can no longer process 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.880 a thought contrary to the desired dogma. 00:03:18.880 --> 00:03:23.200 And they do that by redefining words until there's no word for 00:03:23.200 --> 00:03:25.360 the thing that you're trying to say anymore. 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:27.200 Because if you can't if you don't have a word for it 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.960 and you can't say it, you can't think it. 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.560 And that's it's a weapon. 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.520 it's something that's weaponized and it's being done deliberately in certain words 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:42.480 and language and nation and nationalism are a prime example. 00:03:42.480 --> 00:03:46.160 So I would for anyone listening to episode three this episode, I 00:03:46.160 --> 00:03:48.880 would first recommend that you go back to episode two and spend 00:03:48.880 --> 00:03:52.480 about the first fifteen minutes or so listening to to uh Corey's 00:03:52.480 --> 00:04:00.240 monologue talking about genealogy in scripture and how God uses genealogy 00:04:00.480 --> 00:04:06.480 of man begetting man throughout time in particular places to to God's 00:04:06.480 --> 00:04:12.480 ends. Uh it's worth noting that when Adam emerged from the garden, 00:04:12.480 --> 00:04:14.320 he was a father. 00:04:14.320 --> 00:04:15.520 There's he was a husband. 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:17.120 He soon became a father. 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:18.480 He was also king. 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:22.240 He was the king of the world, despite having been, you know, 00:04:22.640 --> 00:04:27.360 demoted from from his perfection through his through his sin, he remained 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.160 king. And when he had children, he was their father, he was 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.200 also their king. 00:04:31.200 --> 00:04:33.200 He was also their priest. 00:04:33.200 --> 00:04:36.240 And he was he was a religious leader as he was of 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:40.640 Eve. The reason that God repudiated his actions in the garden was 00:04:40.640 --> 00:04:45.040 that he listened to his wife instead of controlling her send her 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.520 inclination to listen to the serpent. 00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:52.480 If If Adam had faithfully upheld his role as husband and as 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:57.200 priest, that error would have been set right, and we don't know 00:04:57.200 --> 00:05:00.480 how human history would have played out. 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.320 The same circumstances were repeated when Noah stepped off the Ark. 00:05:04.320 --> 00:05:08.000 He was father, he was husband, he was king, and he was 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.560 priest. And it is only as 00:05:11.840 --> 00:05:18.000 the expansion of those families occurred again, the role of priest and 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.080 king became separated. 00:05:20.080 --> 00:05:23.120 And that's we're not suggesting that that's a bad thing. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:30.400 It is perfectly godly for the political to have its sphere and 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.440 the religious the Christian to have its sphere, but to say that 00:05:35.440 --> 00:05:40.480 the Christian sphere is separate from the political sphere is to fundamentally 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.800 with misunderstand what it is to be Christian. 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.800 So that'll be the second part of this podcast. 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:46.800 So we're going to begin with nation. 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.240 Uh nation is a word that came into the English language around 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:52.720 the thirteen hundreds from French. 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.280 Uh the the French word would I'm not gonna pronounce because I'll 00:05:55.200 --> 00:05:56.000 butcher it. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.880 But the definition is the same as it is for us. 00:05:58.880 --> 00:06:02.560 A race of people, a large group of people with common ancestry 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:07.840 and language, uh, from the old French for birth, rank, descendants. 00:06:07.840 --> 00:06:13.200 And if you trace that back even further, it goes through old 00:06:13.200 --> 00:06:18.400 Latin and it ends up in the Proto-Indo-European root gene, which means 00:06:18.400 --> 00:06:19.760 give birth and beget. 00:06:19.760 --> 00:06:21.920 I think it was in the first episode we talked about that 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:22.720 as well. 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.440 That or maybe it was second is an episode. 00:06:25.440 --> 00:06:27.760 We're going to talk about this over and over again because it's 00:06:27.760 --> 00:06:29.200 so fundamental. 00:06:29.760 --> 00:06:36.080 the genes, the the natal nature of begetting of people, it's how 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:38.400 God operates in creation. 00:06:38.400 --> 00:06:44.320 It's one of the things that separates mankind today from mankind in 00:06:44.320 --> 00:06:47.440 heaven. In heaven we will be like the angels and that there 00:06:47.440 --> 00:06:49.680 won't be any more reproduction. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.640 All of the names that are in the book of life will 00:06:52.640 --> 00:06:53.040 be born 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.440 in a fallen world. 00:06:55.440 --> 00:06:59.760 There won't be any more people coming after Judgment Day. 00:06:59.760 --> 00:07:05.520 The creating aspect of God's history will come to an end with 00:07:05.520 --> 00:07:06.400 Judgment Day. 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:08.880 No more giving birth, no more begetting. 00:07:08.880 --> 00:07:12.960 The genealogy, the lines, the beginning will all be locked in. 00:07:12.960 --> 00:07:16.000 But for this time, for our lives, all that we know, we 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.320 don't know before the fall and we don't know judgment day or 00:07:18.320 --> 00:07:18.800 after it. 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:22.640 We know that right now, this is how God operates. 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:23.040 So 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.000 the reason I'm pointing first to the definition of nation is to 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.680 make clear that it is explicitly racial. 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.880 And that's a vital point because today nation and country are used 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:38.240 as synonyms. 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:42.000 To say that something is a country or it's a nation, people 00:07:42.080 --> 00:07:44.080 virtually always mean the same thing. 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:46.400 Um you say the United States is a country, you say it's 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:47.120 a nation. 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.800 No one's gonna think you're talking about two different things. 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:54.880 When the United States was founded, when the colonies were founded, and 00:07:54.880 --> 00:07:58.560 then the United States was formed from that, it was a nation. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.840 Uh this was New England. 00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:07.280 It was founded over 400 years ago by people coming from England 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:08.800 to New England. 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:10.240 They were not immigrants. 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.920 they didn't leave one place and go to another place that was 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:17.760 different. They went to a new place that was empty and they 00:08:17.760 --> 00:08:21.360 recreated as best they could from whence they came. 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.120 They recreated England. 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.400 Now not as a perfect copy because that wasn't their desire. 00:08:26.400 --> 00:08:30.880 Frankly, I three quarters of my ancestors were here by about sixteen 00:08:30.880 --> 00:08:33.680 fifty because they were so sick of what the English were doing 00:08:33.680 --> 00:08:35.280 nearly four hundred years ago. 00:08:35.280 --> 00:08:38.720 So while they brought the language and they brought a subset of 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.600 some of the religion, they brought cultural mores. 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.200 They were also seeking to do their own thing, but it was 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:46.560 not in rebellion. 00:08:46.560 --> 00:08:51.040 It was simply let's go live in peace among ourselves and continue 00:08:51.040 --> 00:08:54.800 to be English in a manner that doesn't violate our consciences. 00:08:54.880 --> 00:08:57.600 And of course that was the the case for all of the 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.600 European keep people groups who came over here. 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.120 You had the Spanish who set up colonies and attempted to remain 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.840 Spanish, to different degree from the English, perhaps, and then you had, 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.760 of course, the original name of New York, New Amsterdam. 00:09:11.760 --> 00:09:15.600 The they were setting up extensions of their nation, they were not 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:20.720 creating some new experiment to mix everyone together and create a new 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.040 nation or realistically a new babel. 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.560 Exactly. And you know, as the the case in Canada was mostly 00:09:26.560 --> 00:09:29.840 French. Uh the Louisiana North was mostly French. 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:33.680 And in some of those marks even exist to this day. 00:09:33.680 --> 00:09:34.000 And 00:09:35.280 --> 00:09:39.520 when people come to a new place, there will naturally be some 00:09:39.520 --> 00:09:43.280 degree of intermixing, particularly when you have so much in common. 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:47.680 Uh twenty years ago, if an American went to most Western European 00:09:47.680 --> 00:09:52.320 countries, apart from the language difference, most of it would feel very 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:58.240 similar. Uh the customs vary, but they're not completely alien customs. 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.520 They're just variations on themes that are familiar to us because we 00:10:03.520 --> 00:10:07.840 have that shared culture, which is a part of our our shared 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.720 ancestry. they're inextricable. 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:11.040 And 00:10:12.880 --> 00:10:16.400 as we as we look at what nation means, you know, you 00:10:16.400 --> 00:10:19.760 had mentioned the the intermingling, we when we skip forward one hundred 00:10:19.760 --> 00:10:23.680 and fifty years from the founding of the colonies to when the 00:10:23.680 --> 00:10:28.960 United States uh rebelled against England and became its own political entity, 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.200 uh I want to point to the preamble to the Constitution which 00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:35.280 used to be memorized in school. 00:10:35.280 --> 00:10:38.880 I don't it probably isn't anymore, but it reads We the people 00:10:38.880 --> 00:10:42.080 of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:47.440 establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:52.480 general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:57.120 posterity do ordain and establish this constitution of the United States of 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:01.360 America. Now the reas the the word that I want to highlight 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.240 there is ourselves and our posterity. 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:07.360 When they said that, they meant it. 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.440 When we hear it, we don't hear anything. 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.640 Posterity is really kind of an archaic term that's not used anymore 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.920 So I want to take a look at what where that word 00:11:15.920 --> 00:11:18.800 came from, what it meant when they wrote it. 00:11:18.800 --> 00:11:22.560 Uh for the discussions I'm using, and we'll put the link in 00:11:22.560 --> 00:11:23.840 the show notes. 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.880 There are two websites that I recommend everyone look at. 00:11:26.880 --> 00:11:30.640 Whenever you want to have any conversation about what a word means, 00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:32.080 go to two places. 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.240 Go to etomonline.com. 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.840 That's et y-m as in etymology. 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.520 Uh it will give details going back to where the word first 00:11:41.520 --> 00:11:46.400 entered English and then its origins in previous predecessor languages. 00:11:46.800 --> 00:11:51.360 The other website that is invaluable for any of these discussions is 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.800 Webster's dictionary 1828.com. 00:11:54.800 --> 00:11:58.000 It's a full copy of the original Webster's Dictionary. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.640 It was as it was published nearly 200 years ago. 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:02.720 The reason this is important is that 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:08.000 as I said, these words are under attack by those who are 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:12.640 trying to change the very fabric of existence for us. 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:16.720 And they do that by making us unable to discuss certain certain 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.080 things by removing the words or redefining the words that we would 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.240 use for those discussions. 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:25.840 So when you look at what those words meant two hundred years 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.640 ago, it gives an indication, you know, and when we're talking about 00:12:28.640 --> 00:12:32.880 the original American context, what did those guys mean, but it's also 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:37.280 valuable just because it well predates almost all the subversion that has 00:12:37.280 --> 00:12:42.000 occurred in language, especially in I mean, dictionaries are changing every year 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:42.560 at this point. 00:12:42.560 --> 00:12:44.880 You can go back five years and you'll find a dictionary that 00:12:44.880 --> 00:12:48.000 doesn't say with it does today and it's contrary to what it 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.240 says today because they're being so aggressive about destroying these terms. 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.080 Now, eighteen twenty eight was still under the the thrall of the 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:01.760 Enlightenment, but beyond the Enlightenment, there was not a lot of subversion 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:03.280 present in it. 00:13:03.280 --> 00:13:06.960 So we're gonna look at the definition prop for posterity from the 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:09.600 preamble. Comes from Latin. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:16.240 It means descendants, children, children's children, etc indefinitely, the race that proceeds 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:17.520 from a progenitor. 00:13:17.520 --> 00:13:21.120 The whole human race are the posterity of Adam. 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:25.440 Now that's in the Constitution that it's racial. 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:29.760 That's not you and I being racist saying we hate people and 00:13:29.760 --> 00:13:31.280 we want to exclude them. 00:13:31.280 --> 00:13:36.720 We're simply saying when the people who founded this country did so, 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.240 they understood that it was explicitly racial. 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.600 I just want to re briefly the race part of the definition 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:48.240 for race, also from the sixteen twenty or eighteen twenty uh Webster. 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.240 The lineage of a family or continued series of descendants from a 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.400 parent who is called the stock. 00:13:54.400 --> 00:13:57.280 A race is a series of descendants indefinitely. 00:13:57.280 --> 00:13:58.400 They're synonyms. 00:13:58.400 --> 00:14:00.080 They mean exactly the same thing. 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:05.520 Posterity and race are interchangeable, unlike country and nation. 00:14:05.520 --> 00:14:09.280 So the reason for pointing to this first is that when we 00:14:09.280 --> 00:14:15.280 look at the United States in 1791, It was both a country, 00:14:15.280 --> 00:14:18.640 a new form, new formed country, and it was a nation. 00:14:18.640 --> 00:14:23.280 It was a pre-existing nation because those roots were genetic roots from 00:14:23.520 --> 00:14:27.200 their fathers going back six generations. 00:14:28.160 --> 00:14:33.200 This is uh an important point because uh by calling it racial, 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.080 it is implicitly excluding some groups. 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:40.800 It's excluding Indians who had lived here beforehand and were by and 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:44.480 large pushed aside or God killed them with plague. 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:50.160 There's also the Africans who were enslaved by other Africans, sold to 00:14:50.160 --> 00:14:55.520 Jewish slave traders, put on Jewish owned slave ships, brought primarily to 00:14:55.680 --> 00:15:01.040 southern colonies where they were sold almost exclusively to Jewish plantation owners, 00:15:01.040 --> 00:15:04.800 where they were kept as slaves and used as labor, sometimes under 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:06.640 brutal conditions. 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:15.040 When those men were emancipated from their slavery in 1618, 00:15:15.040 --> 00:15:18.880 they did not add automatically become citizens of the United States because 00:15:18.880 --> 00:15:24.480 it was still understood that although they were were now legally emancipated, 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:25.600 they were not 00:15:27.040 --> 00:15:29.920 posterity. They were not the American posterity. 00:15:29.920 --> 00:15:33.040 They were unjustly brought here from Africa. 00:15:33.040 --> 00:15:36.800 And equally importantly, they were still African. 00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:41.440 Regardless of what language they spoke, they were Africans in America. 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:45.200 And when you and I discuss these subjects, I never want anyone 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.800 to hear that and think that we're being insulting or derogatory. 00:15:48.800 --> 00:15:52.560 To say that someone is African, I don't think that's an insult. 00:15:52.560 --> 00:15:55.280 I think that if you're African, you should be proud of your 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:57.520 African heritage, whatever it is. 00:15:57.520 --> 00:16:00.880 Find the best parts of whatever you came from and be proud 00:16:00.880 --> 00:16:01.440 of that. 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:02.240 You know what? 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.480 That's obedience to the fourth commandment. 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.400 To honor your father and mother is not limited with your immediate 00:16:08.400 --> 00:16:10.720 parents. It goes back in time. 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.480 And where your ancestors er, do better. 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.720 Where they were wrong, be right, but be proud of whatever good 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:19.280 they did. 00:16:19.280 --> 00:16:23.920 So when I say you're not American, you're African, it's not hateful. 00:16:23.920 --> 00:16:25.680 It's simply precise. 00:16:25.680 --> 00:16:29.520 And it's precise in a way that has been destroyed by taking 00:16:29.520 --> 00:16:33.280 the word nation and turning it into a synonym for country. 00:16:33.280 --> 00:16:33.360 And 00:16:34.640 --> 00:16:36.960 there are a lot of people listening right now that probably hate 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:37.680 hearing that. 00:16:37.680 --> 00:16:39.760 They probably think that's that's nonsense. 00:16:39.760 --> 00:16:41.200 That's completely false. 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.000 I will prove to you right now that you actually believe this. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.000 And it's in the Bible. 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.560 When the Hebrews moved into Egypt 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.920 and over the period of 400 years became slaves to the Egyptians 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:56.560 and grew to the point that there were more Hebrews than there 00:16:56.560 --> 00:16:59.120 were Egyptians, or they were overwhelming them. 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.280 They never stopped being Hebrew. 00:17:01.280 --> 00:17:02.960 They didn't become Egyptian. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.040 Even after 400 years in that country, they still had their own 00:17:07.040 --> 00:17:10.320 language, they still had their own race, they weren't intermixing with the 00:17:10.320 --> 00:17:11.840 Egyptians by and large. 00:17:11.840 --> 00:17:14.240 They still had their own culture. 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.680 They still had their own norms in Mores. 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.360 They were still Hebrew. 00:17:19.360 --> 00:17:21.520 It didn't matter where they live. 00:17:21.520 --> 00:17:25.840 And that wasn't yes, it was the case that God was preserving 00:17:25.840 --> 00:17:31.600 them as a vessel for the promise of the Messiah. 00:17:31.600 --> 00:17:34.720 But that would have been the case even if God didn't care 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:36.560 about the Hebrews for that purpose. 00:17:36.560 --> 00:17:38.240 Even if they had not been 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:43.280 shuttled about and and and bobbed around in the ocean of history 00:17:43.520 --> 00:17:47.440 as part of God's plan, they would have still have been Hebrew. 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.640 Just going somewhere else doesn't change your nature. 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.920 If there's a tiger in a zoo in Des Moines, it's not 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:55.040 an Iowa tiger. 00:17:55.040 --> 00:17:56.800 It's a Bengal tiger. 00:17:56.800 --> 00:17:59.680 It's a tiger on the wrong continent. 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.040 Now, someone will say, Well, you're a white guy, you don't belong 00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:04.320 here either. 00:18:04.560 --> 00:18:05.680 I will tell you this. 00:18:05.840 --> 00:18:08.960 My ancestors have been here 400 years. 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:14.000 I don't the the only ancestors of mine who came through immigration 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.080 came from Germany in 1870. 00:18:16.080 --> 00:18:18.640 All the rest were here before it was a country. 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.640 Now yes. 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:20.800 They came from 00:18:21.840 --> 00:18:25.600 England to New England, not as immigrants, but as people who built 00:18:25.600 --> 00:18:27.200 this country from nothing. 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:33.040 Uh there's another illustration that that I use often to demonstrate that 00:18:33.280 --> 00:18:37.600 the idea that something moving to someone moving to another place doesn't 00:18:37.520 --> 00:18:39.920 mean that they are never native. 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:41.280 Look at New Zealand. 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:45.920 New Zealand today has the the descendants of the English uh conquerors 00:18:46.080 --> 00:18:49.760 and you have the Maori, who were called the natives of New 00:18:49.760 --> 00:18:54.640 Zealand. When the English showed up in the I think the sixteen 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:59.840 hundreds, um the Maori lived there, and so we say, well automatically 00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:00.960 those are the natives. 00:19:01.040 --> 00:19:04.640 The Maori got there there were between about thirteen hundred and thirteen 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:08.080 fifty. So they'd only been there about three hundred years when the 00:19:08.080 --> 00:19:09.280 English showed up. 00:19:09.280 --> 00:19:11.040 They all came from somewhere else. 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:14.720 And they moved to a place that they took over, they made 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.640 it theirs, and then someone someone else showed up, moved in, took 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:20.320 it over, made it theirs. 00:19:20.320 --> 00:19:22.880 Are the Maori native to New Zealand? 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.200 Sure. Are the European settlers who have lived there 400 years native 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:28.240 to New Zealand? 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:31.440 Yes. I am a native of North America. 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:35.280 And if you say that I'm not, after 400 years, you must 00:19:35.280 --> 00:19:40.000 necessarily say that the Maori are not natives of New Zealand. 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:45.120 Now the difference between me and my ancestors moving to North America 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:50.880 and the Hebrews living in Egypt is that that was never their 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:54.400 country. God didn't give it into their hands. 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:58.080 God gave this country into my ancestors' hands, and probably into many 00:19:58.080 --> 00:19:59.920 of your ancestors' hands. 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:03.600 When the white man showed up, almost all the natives were killed 00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:04.640 by disease. 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.120 And today, because we have germ theory, we're like, oh, well, that 00:20:07.120 --> 00:20:08.160 was just totally random. 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.040 And you know, maybe even some cases the Europeans tried to kill 00:20:11.040 --> 00:20:12.320 them with germs. 00:20:12.320 --> 00:20:13.200 They had no idea. 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:14.080 They didn't know. 00:20:14.080 --> 00:20:15.520 That was a plague. 00:20:15.520 --> 00:20:17.360 Plagues come from From 00:20:19.040 --> 00:20:24.480 God. That was God's will that those European settlers not have to 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:27.920 deal with millions and millions of Indians who were trying to kill 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:31.680 them. I have numerous ancestors who fought and in some cases were 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.520 killed by Indians in the first in the first half of the 00:20:35.520 --> 00:20:41.600 sixteenth seventeenth century because they lived next door and it wasn't that 00:20:41.600 --> 00:20:43.440 they were in open combat. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.840 It was just that the Indians wanted them gone. 00:20:45.840 --> 00:20:46.720 And fine. 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:51.360 That's I don't fault the Indians for trying to kill them, but 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.320 my people won and we took this land. 00:20:54.320 --> 00:20:59.280 And I'm not ashamed of that because it occurred by God's grace. 00:20:59.280 --> 00:21:03.280 And that is how the United that's how the colonies became nations 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:05.600 which formed the United States. 00:21:05.600 --> 00:21:08.800 And over time it became an empire. 00:21:08.800 --> 00:21:13.760 It became the sort of multi-ethnic empire with different people coming from 00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:15.680 different places not 00:21:16.560 --> 00:21:22.800 losing their distinct properties because if it's a racial distinction, you don't 00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:23.520 lose it. 00:21:23.520 --> 00:21:26.400 I don't stop being European just because I live in the United 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.160 States. If I colonize Mars, I'm a European on Mars, I'm not 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:31.040 a Martian. 00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:34.400 If my kids are born on Mars, they're not Martians, they're Europeans 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.000 born on a Martian colony of Europe. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:44.000 That's simply how God propagates the genealogies of his people throughout time. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.200 And it hasn't changed in the last century just because we think 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.800 we're clever and we have new, more enlightened ways of talking about 00:21:50.800 --> 00:21:53.360 these things. 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:53.680 And 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:58.560 when it comes to the idea of someone being, you know, ex 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:02.000 because he was born in ex country. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:06.160 Ultimately you can trace that back and it's clearly ridiculous because if 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.040 we're all X because we are originally from or born in X, 00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:14.080 and it only belongs to the people who were natives. 00:22:14.080 --> 00:22:16.880 Well they were all natives of Ararat. 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:20.560 And none of us own anything else because well that's ultimately the 00:22:20.560 --> 00:22:23.040 place we're all originated from, because of course that is where the 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:24.960 Ark landed. 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:31.440 And so the idea that the native population can't change is 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.080 it's a really mercenary idea if you actually look at the genesis 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:39.360 of the idea to go back to the idea that the source 00:22:39.360 --> 00:22:44.160 of things matters, because how is it actually employed? 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:51.520 It's employed purely as an argument against colonization and modern 00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:53.920 conquering of heathen nations. 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:59.520 It's never used historically to argue that historical conquest should not have 00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:03.120 happened. It's not used to restore it there's there's not an irredentist 00:23:03.120 --> 00:23:08.720 argument with regard to older areas that were conquered, but it's just 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.040 the European colonization. 00:23:11.040 --> 00:23:14.800 Because what is the ultimate genesis of that argument? 00:23:14.800 --> 00:23:19.680 Well it's Satan, because Satan hated colonization. 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:25.520 Because colonization was European Christians taking Christianity to other parts of the 00:23:25.520 --> 00:23:30.560 world and driving out Satan and the pagans. 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.880 Because that is how God works. 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:38.560 God drives out and destroys faithless nations, and he uses sometimes faithful 00:23:38.560 --> 00:23:41.440 nations to do it, sometimes faithless nations. 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.600 Sometimes God punishes one faithless nation with another. 00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:48.000 That is how God wishes to work, and he can do that 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.320 if he wants to do that. 00:23:50.320 --> 00:23:56.080 But in the case of colonization it was European Christians, faithful Christians, 00:23:56.080 --> 00:23:57.920 driving out evil. 00:23:59.120 --> 00:23:59.440 And 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:04.480 those European Christians became your became Christian in exactly the same way. 00:24:05.040 --> 00:24:09.520 It was not that evangelists went to every single European individually and 00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:11.760 said, Hey, let me show it share the gospel with you and 00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:13.200 let me baptize you. 00:24:14.320 --> 00:24:18.480 It was the kings who ultimately converted, and when the king converted, 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.080 his nation converted. 00:24:20.080 --> 00:24:25.360 I uh I'm actually descended from the woman who is directly responsible 00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:27.120 for all of us being Christian. 00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:31.600 Um, I was reading last night about uh Clotilda and her husband 00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:34.240 Clothar or Clovis, yeah. 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.000 And she was Christian. 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:41.120 She basically bullied her husband, King Clovis the first or second, uh 00:24:41.360 --> 00:24:44.240 first, into becoming Christian. 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:50.480 Uh and that was the genesis of what Wikipedia calls Nicene Christianity 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:51.520 in Europe. 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.040 If you look at a map of quote unquote Christianity in Europe 00:24:55.040 --> 00:25:00.240 prior to about six hundred AD, the only actual Christians were in 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.040 the East. 00:25:01.040 --> 00:25:02.560 It was all Aryans in the West. 00:25:03.280 --> 00:25:07.600 Now Arianism is fundamentally not Christian. 00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:12.480 It sounds mostly Christian, and they did speak the word the word 00:25:12.560 --> 00:25:15.440 of God was spoken among them, so surely some of them were 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:20.560 Christian, but the Aryan confession itself is explicitly not Christian because it 00:25:20.560 --> 00:25:23.920 denies that Jesus is fully God. 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:24.240 So 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:34.080 Clotilda, her convincing Clovis to become Christian, him building a cathedral 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:38.800 in the center of his seat of power and his influence over 00:25:38.800 --> 00:25:44.800 the Franks to become Nicene Christians as opposed to Aryan not Christians 00:25:45.280 --> 00:25:50.240 was the entire reason that Christianity proper spread in all of Europe. 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.160 It's the reason that we're Christian today. 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.200 We may well be Aryans and not be Christian at all, if 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.640 not for that, if not for a king converting. 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:03.600 And if you look back in in uh in scripture, it's completely 00:26:03.600 --> 00:26:08.160 normal for there not to be a separation between the religion of 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:13.200 a nation, the king of a nation, and its people. 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:17.920 And this is even reflected in the fact that so many, especially 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:22.640 ancient pagan nations, the king was treated as a god. 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.640 Now, while this was obviously it was idolatry, but in a sense 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:32.560 it was actually an accurate reflection of the godly form, not that 00:26:32.560 --> 00:26:36.080 the king is God, but that the king is the representative of 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:37.680 God in that place. 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.640 And the fact that the pagan nations said, you know what? 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.160 There's no God above our king. 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.680 Our king is the God of all of us That was a 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:52.480 usurpation going up, but from the king on down, it wasn't anything 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:57.360 more than a misdirection because the king is the God's representative over 00:26:57.360 --> 00:26:59.120 his people for their benefit. 00:26:59.280 --> 00:27:01.440 And that is the left-hand kingdom. 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:05.440 And so the the notion that there would be a distinction between 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:10.480 what the king believes and what the people believe doesn't make any 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.880 more sense than if it happens in a household with a a 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.720 father who's faithful and a a wife and mother and children who 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.680 are unfaithful. 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.520 It should not happen. 00:27:20.320 --> 00:27:23.120 And we have an example of that closer to our time. 00:27:23.120 --> 00:27:28.080 We had the whole reason we're called Protestants is because the Emperor 00:27:28.080 --> 00:27:33.440 went back on the promise to allow individual princes to determine which 00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:38.240 version of Christianity would be practiced within their realms, whether they would 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.760 be Lutheran or they would be papist. 00:27:41.760 --> 00:27:45.920 And of course the Emperor went back on that because his advisors 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.880 changed basically and the influences on him changed. 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.680 But we protested that, and that was natural because the prince, the 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:59.440 head, the king within that region, determined what his subjects believed, because 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.240 that is the natural course of things, because as you mentioned, the 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.200 father is the head of the family, and the father makes the 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:09.040 decisions. Well, the king is the head of the nation, and so 00:28:09.040 --> 00:28:10.800 the king makes the decisions. 00:28:10.800 --> 00:28:15.760 And so yes, most of Europe was converted because a few key 00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:22.240 people were converted, kings, advisors, whoever it happened to be, they converted 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.600 those who were in a position of headship, and that affected a 00:28:25.600 --> 00:28:28.800 conversion of the people as a whole. 00:28:28.800 --> 00:28:31.840 And that And that is what it means for a nation to 00:28:31.840 --> 00:28:33.200 be Christian. 00:28:33.600 --> 00:28:35.920 Yep. And right now there are a lot of people in the 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:40.800 audience probably howling at the premise because there were so many abuses 00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:43.440 in history where this was done incorrectly, and that's absolutely the case 00:28:43.520 --> 00:28:44.000 The case. 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.880 And that's where the two kingdoms distinction is useful. 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:54.880 When Clovis became Christian, he built a cathedral, but it was a 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.720 bishop who ran the cathedral, it was a bishop who taught the 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:04.000 people. Clovis said, I'm Christian, strongly suggested his peace people should be 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.920 Christian, but he was not directly over the church. 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.160 What went wrong in Roman Catholicism 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.480 is not that 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:18.480 they spread Christianity, but that they became political, which is not what 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.760 we are advocating, and that is not what Christian nationalism is. 00:29:21.760 --> 00:29:27.760 Christian nationalism is not the notion that the church becomes a political 00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:30.400 force unto itself. 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:36.240 The church is responsible for soteriology, it is responsible for the salvation 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:41.920 of souls and for the preservation of doctrine and for the proper 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.040 use of the word and sacrament among the people. 00:29:45.040 --> 00:29:47.680 That's not the realm of the government. 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.320 That should not happen, that the government is dictating which sacraments are 00:29:52.320 --> 00:29:53.920 practiced or how. 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.160 We don't believe that, and it's not necessarily a part of Christian 00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:01.520 nationalism to suggest that So when someone says, oh, well, you just 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.160 you're gonna end up with Baptists running everything. 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:05.360 I don't care. 00:30:05.360 --> 00:30:06.240 Because you know what? 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.800 Baptists don't want babies to be murdered. 00:30:08.800 --> 00:30:12.480 Baptists don't want their children to have their genitals chopped off. 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.320 Baptists don't want Muslims raping their daughters just like I don't. 00:30:18.320 --> 00:30:21.280 Baptists are not going to be in charge of the sacraments if 00:30:21.280 --> 00:30:23.680 this were a Christian nation again. 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.960 They can still be Baptist and we can still be Lutheran. 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:32.720 But what will stop is the evils that have befell all of 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.920 us by ceasing to be overtly Christian, which is fundamentally the purpose 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:39.360 of Christian nationalism. 00:30:39.360 --> 00:30:41.760 It's not necessarily to say, well, okay, this is the correct, this 00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:43.280 is the correct denomination. 00:30:43.280 --> 00:30:46.240 Everyone's got to be this denomination. 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:50.480 For a Christian to be a participate, a participant in a nation 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:56.560 politically politically is to bring how his conscience is informed by God 00:30:56.560 --> 00:31:01.520 through scripture to his other duties, to his other vocations as a 00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:05.520 husband, as a father, as a neighbor, perhaps as as a mayor 00:31:05.840 --> 00:31:07.600 or as a sheriff. 00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:11.600 If he knows that God doesn't want people to be murdered, for 00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:16.800 things to be stolen, for people to be harmed, that's going to 00:31:16.800 --> 00:31:22.240 inform his conduct in his role if preserving earthly order. 00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:26.080 Of course, we should be careful to distinguish that when it comes 00:31:26.080 --> 00:31:31.360 to papists, they do exactly want to return to Roman hegemony. 00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:36.480 So in the case of those who are Roman Catholic Catholic in 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:41.440 quotes, of course, they do want the conflation of the two kingdoms. 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.440 They don't want any differentiation because they see the king King as 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:51.680 inferior to the Pope, as opposed to being Christ's left hand and 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.280 the leader of the Church being his right hand or the leadership, 00:31:55.280 --> 00:31:58.400 whatever it happens to be the organization in the right hand kingdom. 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.920 Because that's part of what we tend to drop when we're speaking 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.640 about these concepts these days, is we don't say the left hand 00:32:07.120 --> 00:32:10.560 of Christ, which is what the left hand kingdom is, we use 00:32:10.560 --> 00:32:15.120 that shorthand, but we're assuming that people understand something that people no 00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:16.480 longer understand. 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:20.000 It is the left hand of Christ and the right hand of 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.960 Christ. These both belong to God. 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.840 We're not talking about two separate, entirely distinct things. 00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:31.760 We are talking about how God interacts with the world in two 00:32:31.760 --> 00:32:32.960 distinct ways. 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:33.520 And 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:39.520 when we advocate Christian nationalism, we are saying that the state should 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.280 uphold Christian values. 00:32:43.280 --> 00:32:47.120 Now that's distinct from Christian doctrine, and this shouldn't be complicated for 00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:48.640 people, but somehow it is. 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.640 Yes, there are historical abuses. 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:55.360 Yes, there are some like the papists who would seek to restore 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.720 political hegemony over countries. 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.320 Not gonna happen. 00:33:00.320 --> 00:33:04.800 That's the the fact that someone might do something bad with something 00:33:04.800 --> 00:33:07.920 good is not an argument against the good thing. 00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:13.120 And this shouldn't be difficult for Christians to understand when we're talking 00:33:13.120 --> 00:33:13.440 about 00:33:14.320 --> 00:33:20.320 Christians ensuring that their own nation, which should be under God properly, 00:33:20.320 --> 00:33:24.480 the triune God, not the deist God that this country evolved into 00:33:25.040 --> 00:33:29.040 upholding from the top down, incidentally, when when the when all the 00:33:29.040 --> 00:33:34.800 deists overthrew the Articles of the Confederation and basically came up with 00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:39.520 a a new government in secret at the Constitutional Convention, they were 00:33:39.520 --> 00:33:42.720 They were putatively the representatives of the people, but by and large 00:33:42.800 --> 00:33:44.240 they didn't represent the people. 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.480 They represented landed interests. 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.480 They represented traders and the wealthy. 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.000 And many of them were not Christians. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.280 Many were, but there were many non-Christians participating. 00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:57.040 And some of them did terrible things like Thomas Jefferson as a 00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:00.080 direct result of their not being Christian. 00:34:00.080 --> 00:34:06.000 So but because they won politically, they wrote the history, and so 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.960 now everyone thinks that all these guys are heroes. 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.800 And because they were at the top and because they won, deism 00:34:13.040 --> 00:34:19.440 spread. the when you look at 18th century America, Christianity began to 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:20.960 die in large part. 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.280 Now it it it mutated as it died. 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.040 You had an explosion of cults, you had an explosion of uh 00:34:27.200 --> 00:34:30.640 you know the transcendentalists and other things where people just sort of 00:34:30.640 --> 00:34:34.240 wandered off into nature and and bid did bizarre things that tried 00:34:34.240 --> 00:34:37.120 to find God outside of scripture. 00:34:37.120 --> 00:34:42.880 That was a result of their leaders not being Christian and taking 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.440 the the country in a direction and the nation in a direction 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.080 that was not Christian. 00:34:48.080 --> 00:34:51.840 And the subsequent fruits of those decisions are are still with us 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:53.520 to this day. 00:34:53.680 --> 00:34:56.880 I think when the you know the second part of of the 00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.120 conversation we wanted to have today is what is a Christian? 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.400 And that's we've been kind of answering it all along, but 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:10.480 there's this this goofy stereotypical behavior that I see emerging even 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.200 among people who are good Christians, they intend to be faithful, they're 00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:19.200 trying not to cross lines that they believe are present, but they 00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:23.520 do so by saying in effect I can only be Christian in 00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:27.360 church stuff and I don't want to impose on anyone else the 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:28.960 rest of my time. 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.600 And like I mentioned last week, you got an hour in church, 00:35:31.600 --> 00:35:34.480 you know, maybe two or three hours of Sunday school, and then 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.600 the other hundred and sixty odd hours hours, you're off on your 00:35:37.600 --> 00:35:40.720 own. How many of those hours are you a Christian? 00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:43.360 Is it when you're in church or is it all the time? 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:48.160 Now the what is a Christian question is one that makes a 00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:54.240 lot of Protestants uncomfortable because Protestant doctrine, the souls have basically been 00:35:54.240 --> 00:35:55.600 collapsed into 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.160 I love Jesus, I'm going to heaven, everything else is gonna be 00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:02.640 fine because he paid for my sins, it's all okay. 00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:09.200 it's happy clappy boyfriend Jesus crap that while in isolation those individual 00:36:09.200 --> 00:36:14.800 statements may be true, if that becomes your ethos, you're toast. 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.640 I th there's something that I've I've I think I recommend in 00:36:18.640 --> 00:36:20.640 the first episode, and I'm gonna say it over and over again 00:36:20.720 --> 00:36:24.080 because I think it's really vital right vital. 00:36:24.080 --> 00:36:29.360 Go to esv.org and click on the little gear, uncheck all the 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.560 options, turn off the footnotes and the cross references, turn off the 00:36:32.560 --> 00:36:38.640 headings, turn off the verses, and turn on red lettering for Jesus, 00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:41.920 which is gonna make some of the Lutherans in the audience freak 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.800 out because there are people who say that you can ignore the 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.640 Bible unless it's in red. 00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:48.960 Absolutely not what I'm saying. 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.120 What I'm saying is do that and then read Matthew, Mark, Luke, 00:36:53.120 --> 00:36:55.440 and John, just reading the words in red. 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:56.320 Don't read anything else. 00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:57.680 Just read the words in red. 00:36:57.680 --> 00:37:00.960 That is not to say that the rest is not equally important. 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.760 It's not to say that the rest is not also the inspired 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:04.320 word of God. 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:05.760 That's not my point. 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.520 My point is this. 00:37:07.520 --> 00:37:12.800 If you read only Jesus preaching, it's almost all law. 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.280 There is gospel there, but it's thin. 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.120 And there are often times where he lays it on hard and 00:37:19.120 --> 00:37:22.960 he ends hard when some when he performs a miracle for someone, 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.360 he says, Go and sin no more. 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.440 Now, was Jesus stupid? 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:29.840 Did he set that person up, or did he think that they 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.720 would actually be able to not sin anymore? 00:37:32.720 --> 00:37:36.080 Or did Jesus tell him what his will, what God's will is 00:37:36.080 --> 00:37:39.120 for each of us, to go and sin no more? 00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:40.960 That is the Christian life. 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:42.320 And yes, we fail. 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.440 And yes, Jesus paid on the cross for the fact that we 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.280 would and will f continue to fail 00:37:48.560 --> 00:37:51.440 That doesn't mean that we don't try. 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:56.240 And the sanctified Christian life is about living more and more in 00:37:56.240 --> 00:38:01.360 God every day, about spending time in God's scripture, about contemplating his 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.680 wisdom, and then about living all hundred and sixty eight hours of 00:38:05.680 --> 00:38:09.120 our week in a manner that is consistent with God's will and 00:38:09.120 --> 00:38:10.640 pleasing to him. 00:38:10.640 --> 00:38:15.440 And when these guys only want to talk about the gospel, quote 00:38:15.520 --> 00:38:22.000 unquote, and Christ's sacrifice, those are incredibly important things, but that's not 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.680 the entire Christian life. 00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:28.880 The Christian life becomes at baptism and continues until you die. 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.240 And most of your days, most of your hours, most of your 00:38:32.240 --> 00:38:37.280 minutes are not spent reading the word or taking communion or hearing 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.880 preaching. And that's okay. 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.560 That's God gave us other things to do, but they should be 00:38:42.560 --> 00:38:44.880 done in a manner that is pleasing to him. 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.440 The Christian life is obedience to God. 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:54.080 And that means the the left-hand kingdom where there is what we 00:38:54.080 --> 00:39:00.880 call political activity must necessarily be in obedience to God every bit 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.880 as much as what goes on in church. 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.040 Just as much as we care about a faithful application of sacramental 00:39:07.040 --> 00:39:12.240 doctrine, we should care about the proper exercise of the law. 00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:15.920 And to fail to do that is to fail to be a 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.840 good Christian and to be indifferent to that is to risk ceasing 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.840 to be a Christian altogether. 00:39:23.600 --> 00:39:27.040 Well, we know what happens when Christians are indifferent to the left 00:39:27.200 --> 00:39:29.200 hand kingdom. 00:39:29.200 --> 00:39:30.800 Satan takes over. 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.400 Because Satan is not indifferent to the left hand kingdom. 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.600 And so if Christians are indifferent and do not involve themselves in 00:39:37.600 --> 00:39:41.200 the left hand kingdom and do not behave as faithful Christians in 00:39:41.200 --> 00:39:44.560 the left hand kingdom, the left hand kingdom will be ruled by 00:39:44.560 --> 00:39:45.600 pagans, will be ruled by 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.320 Satan. And so there are only two choices. 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.960 This is not something on which you can be indifferent, because if 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.920 you're indifferent, you're just condemning your grandchildren, great grandchildren, whatever generation it 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.320 happens to be, you are condemning them to live in a pagan 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.720 nation instead of a Christian nation. 00:40:04.720 --> 00:40:09.680 This isn't an option where we have, you know, Christianity on one 00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:13.920 side, Satanism and atheism on the other side, and some sort of 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.440 neutrality in the middle. 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.120 This is black and white. 00:40:17.120 --> 00:40:22.480 You're either a Christian nation or you are an anti-Christian nation. 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.840 Yes, there are different degrees of being one or the other. 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.720 You can be more or less Christian and you can be more 00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:32.240 or less atheist or Satanist. 00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:33.920 But you can't be neutral. 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:34.960 There is no neutrality. 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:39.680 There's no middle, there's no third way when it comes to this 00:40:39.680 --> 00:40:44.800 question. And you mentioned about the the rise of deism in the 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:51.600 US. And really, the the modern Christian, many of the churches anyway, 00:40:51.600 --> 00:40:57.760 are basically a half step above morally therapeutic deism, or moralistic therapeutic 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:02.640 deism. It's just it's that with Jesus slathered on top of it 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:03.520 a little bit. 00:41:03.520 --> 00:41:06.080 Just a thin layer, a little bit of Jesus butter on top 00:41:06.240 --> 00:41:09.760 there. It's not really Christianity anymore. 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.640 It's just it's that one hour, the 90 minutes, whatever it happens 00:41:12.640 --> 00:41:15.760 to be on Sunday and then I live the rest of my 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.640 life as if I'm you know, just another member of this society 00:41:20.720 --> 00:41:24.080 and I do whatever society tells me to do or not to 00:41:24.080 --> 00:41:26.240 do. And so I have Jesus in it. 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:27.360 Yeah, exactly. 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:27.440 I 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:32.400 well yes, football's actually a great example because how many people spend 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.520 their sixty minutes, their ninety minutes, maybe they go to Bible study, 00:41:35.600 --> 00:41:38.080 maybe they spend two hours, whatever it happens to be. 00:41:38.080 --> 00:41:41.120 They spend that little bit of time for Jesus on Sunday. 00:41:41.120 --> 00:41:44.480 And then they go home and spend four, five, six, I don't 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:48.240 know how many hours, on football, or basketball, or baseball, or whatever 00:41:48.240 --> 00:41:50.640 it happens to be. 00:41:50.640 --> 00:41:53.760 And then they spend so much of their time thinking about and 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.800 posting about and arguing over that. 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.880 Well what's really important in their life, I'm not saying you can't 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.720 have hobbies, because of course you can have a hobby. 00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:04.720 You can have a hobby that absorbs a ton of your time 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.280 even and As long as it doesn't become more important to you 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.160 than the things that are actually important. 00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:16.080 And for a lot of people, it seems like sports have become 00:42:16.080 --> 00:42:19.680 more important than God, because you'll have even pastors who spend their 00:42:19.680 --> 00:42:20.000 Sundays 00:42:21.200 --> 00:42:23.440 posting about sports. 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.520 Why on earth are you doing that? 00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:30.000 This is supposed to be the day that everyone inherently knows is 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.360 dedicated to the Lord 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.520 Maybe say something about the Lord on that day, particularly if it 00:42:35.520 --> 00:42:37.440 is your vocation to do so? 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.880 If you spend all of your time posting about sports, the people 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:42.960 who are looking at that who are watching you are going to 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.560 think that, well, maybe God isn't so important because he's posting about 00:42:47.120 --> 00:42:51.440 this particular sports team he likes a lot more than God. 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.720 And so it matters what we do, how much time we spend 00:42:54.720 --> 00:42:57.840 on it, how important we make it seem in our life, because 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.720 often how important we make it seem is merely a reflection of 00:43:00.720 --> 00:43:03.040 how important it actually is. 00:43:03.040 --> 00:43:06.640 And so our witness to the world is in part how we 00:43:06.640 --> 00:43:08.480 live our lives. 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.440 Are you a Christian when you're in the left hand kingdom? 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.960 Are you a Christian when you're not in the sanctuary? 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:15.760 You should 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:16.480 be. 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:23.040 In sports is I specifically mentioned professional sports because that is where 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.080 the subversion is occurring culturally. 00:43:26.080 --> 00:43:30.960 It is not simply that these professional sports were erected on 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.800 Sundays, Sunday mornings on weekends to consume people's money and their time 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:37.440 and their passion. 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.000 And we're not e we're not making the argument against 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.280 spending your time poorly versus spending your time well. 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.120 We're making the point that 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.480 the NFL is evil. 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:56.160 The NFL has done tremendously evil things. 00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:59.360 They have promoted tremendously evil things. 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.200 They do it every Sunday. 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.920 It is one of the key things that they do. 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:05.840 It is one of their purposes. 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:11.280 Is not to sell advertising, not to throw the pig skin around. 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:16.640 It is to promote societal change along avenues that are contrary to 00:44:16.640 --> 00:44:18.000 Christian doctrine. 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.520 And the fact that so many pastors and other Christians are either 00:44:21.520 --> 00:44:24.800 blind or indifferent to it is terrifying. 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:29.760 If you are living a sanctified life, if you are spending your 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:36.240 time consuming godly things, when you're exposed to something that is ungodly, 00:44:36.240 --> 00:44:41.760 that is is not wholesome, it's physically repellent. 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:42.720 It's disgusting. 00:44:43.120 --> 00:44:45.360 you you physically revolt. 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.920 I I spent years being large like being being completely indifferent to 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:50.800 most of these subjects. 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.560 I was a Christian, but I didn't really care. 00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:54.240 Like I was a Christian on Sunday and the rest of the 00:44:54.240 --> 00:44:54.800 time whatever. 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.360 Like it's just I knew I was Christian, so it was sorted. 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.240 I was a Lutheran. 00:44:58.240 --> 00:45:01.920 I definitely was confident in my baptism, so pretty much everything else 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.240 was taken care of. 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.600 In the last couple of years as I started to spend more 00:45:07.600 --> 00:45:12.720 time in the word and less time consuming garbage when I would 00:45:12.720 --> 00:45:16.080 be then exposed to things I used to love, to songs and 00:45:16.080 --> 00:45:19.280 to shows that I used to just I I ate 'em up. 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.400 It was it was part of who I was. 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:26.000 There are many cases where I had a I to I now 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.480 have a visceral repulsion to those things. 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.640 And it's not rooted in some sort of pietism or like, oh, 00:45:34.640 --> 00:45:35.520 this is dirty. 00:45:35.520 --> 00:45:40.160 Like I didn't re-listen to that song expecting to find something gross. 00:45:40.160 --> 00:45:43.600 I re-listened because I missed the song and found that what I 00:45:43.600 --> 00:45:46.480 used to love I now hated Now 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.440 that is something I'm not saying that everyone needs to have exactly 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:57.520 that experience, but I am saying if you never re feel revolted 00:45:57.520 --> 00:46:01.360 by things that are contrary to God, or if you never even 00:46:01.600 --> 00:46:04.640 if you can't even tell that things are contrary to God, you 00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:06.320 have a spiritual problem. 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:10.800 You have a deep seated spiritual lack of discernment. 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.280 And although discernment is a gift as a matter of degree, it 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.960 must be present in every Christian or how are you gonna stay 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:23.120 Christian? If you can't tell the difference between Christian and not Christian, 00:46:23.120 --> 00:46:25.280 you're toast, you're lost. 00:46:25.680 --> 00:46:29.760 And that's the reason we keep talking about Sunday morning versus the 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.880 rest of the time is that so many of these arguments that 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.120 are made mostly in good faith by Christians who rightly want to 00:46:37.120 --> 00:46:40.960 prevent problems that have occurred in the past when people have done 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:46.960 things wrong, they end up collapsing the Christian life to Sunday morning. 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.760 And the rest is just, oh remember your baptism and go do 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.240 whatever. I can tell you from personal experience, that doesn't work. 00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:55.840 It's a terrible idea. 00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.720 It is an idea that leads people to hell. 00:46:58.720 --> 00:46:59.040 And 00:47:00.080 --> 00:47:03.680 more than that, like this isn't just about saved or not. 00:47:03.680 --> 00:47:07.600 That's one of the things that that we we lose when we 00:47:07.600 --> 00:47:12.320 think about sanctification as we don't really think about thank sanctification at 00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.440 all. Like when when all the focus is on the sacraments and 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.880 God's gifts to us, which are blessings, I'm not demeaning those in 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.680 the slightest, so please don't hear that. 00:47:21.680 --> 00:47:28.960 When we eschew godly living, godly wisdom, obedience to God, 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.600 we end up missing out on the good life that God wishes 00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:33.200 to give us. 00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:37.360 When you obey God, you are blessed in this life. 00:47:37.520 --> 00:47:39.040 This isn't prosperity gospel. 00:47:39.040 --> 00:47:41.120 It doesn't mean you're gonna win a million dollars. 00:47:41.120 --> 00:47:42.880 It doesn't mean you're not gonna lose your job. 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:44.960 It doesn't mean you won't go hungry. 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.240 It means that you will be blessed by God in ways that 00:47:48.240 --> 00:47:49.760 he sees fit. 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.400 And whatever God's blessings are for you, you should be thankful for 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:58.480 them. And as much as you know we we want to emphasize 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.560 that not every blessing necessarily looks like a win at the time, 00:48:02.560 --> 00:48:04.000 most of them are. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.480 Most of God's blessings are just normal blessings that anyone can see. 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.880 If you don't engage in contraceptive behavior, God will bless you with 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:14.000 lots of children. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.680 It happens automatically. 00:48:15.680 --> 00:48:16.960 You get it for free. 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:18.800 God just gives it to you. 00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:22.800 When you rebel against God, you don't get those blessings. 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.800 Now, when those things are sinful, Jesus paid for them and you 00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:31.280 will still receive salvation, but you will not have the temporal gifts 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:35.280 that come to those who are obedient in this life. 00:48:35.520 --> 00:48:35.760 When 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.040 it comes to football, I'd like to make a sort of practical 00:48:39.040 --> 00:48:42.240 argument that may reach some members of the audience who would not 00:48:42.240 --> 00:48:44.320 otherwise listen to us. 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:49.520 Now, for a religious audience, undoubtedly, we're going to have some familiarity 00:48:49.520 --> 00:48:54.160 with a certain section of the IRS tax code, and that would 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:55.920 be five hundred one C. 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.400 And the reason we'll have that is because of course five hundred 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.560 one C three is where you get tax exemption for religious organizations 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:09.040 Organizations. Now what most people don't realize is that scroll down a 00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:16.480 little bit from 501c3, 501c6, football organizations are exempt. 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:22.400 Now as a general rule, our government does not do things that 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.480 are for the good in the greater sense of the term good, 00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:31.200 things that are in line with Christianity, in line with Christ. 00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:34.400 And so you would of course be hard pressed to find an 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.760 organization that is more evil than the IRS there are some in 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:41.120 our government, of course but they're certainly at the top. 00:49:41.120 --> 00:49:46.560 So if the IRS has preferential treatment for an organization, you can 00:49:46.560 --> 00:49:50.640 generally assume that it's one of a handful of reasons why that 00:49:50.640 --> 00:49:52.080 is the case. 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:56.560 You have either it is too much of a hassle or it 00:49:56.560 --> 00:49:59.120 becomes too entangled or there's a legal restriction. 00:49:59.120 --> 00:50:01.200 That would be the case for religious organizations. 00:50:01.200 --> 00:50:04.320 Several of those arguments we won't get into them here. 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:09.680 You have particularly moneyed or powerful individuals who can write their own 00:50:09.680 --> 00:50:14.480 laws, by proxy of course, and then you have things that are 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:19.680 being pushed for particularly destructive purposes to destroy society. 00:50:19.680 --> 00:50:23.280 Often reasons two and three tend to overlap a lot, that's a 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.800 Venn diagram with a great deal of overlap in that middle section. 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.360 But the reason that you have the NFL getting so Getting such 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:37.040 preferential tax treatment and legal treatment and subsidies and everything historically is 00:50:37.040 --> 00:50:41.680 that those who are pushing for this have a very clear agenda, 00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:47.120 and that agenda runs counter to Christianity, as was mentioned. 00:50:47.120 --> 00:50:52.480 That agenda does all sorts of evil in our society, and it's 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:56.880 not just the NFL itself, it's the things the NFL shows, it's 00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.280 the things the NFL advertises, it's the things that it does in 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.840 its press releases and the way that it advocates for changing society 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:11.040 and laws, it's the halftime shows it's extensive. 00:51:11.040 --> 00:51:15.600 This is an organization that exists to undermine what is good in 00:51:15.600 --> 00:51:19.680 our culture, and many Christians are supporting it not just with their 00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:23.760 time and their attention, but also with a significant amount of money. 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:24.640 And 00:51:24.640 --> 00:51:27.920 that's not to say that it's not entertaining too, but that's the 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.800 problem. the entertaining aspect is the hook. 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.840 The fact that you've maybe played college ball or like you've always 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.280 been into it doesn't change the fact that what it is being 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.480 used for today is overt evil. 00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:44.880 And when people don't recognize that, we have a real problem. 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.040 Um I I think it's important before we wrap up to to 00:51:49.040 --> 00:51:53.840 make a positive case for what Christian nationalism would look like. 00:51:54.160 --> 00:51:56.640 what would a Christian nation look like? 00:51:56.640 --> 00:51:56.960 And 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.200 I think to start we have to acknowledge that 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:06.720 while on the on the right hand kingdom there is not necessarily 00:52:08.640 --> 00:52:14.080 permission for the church to forcibly baptize or forcibly convert 00:52:15.120 --> 00:52:21.520 separately from that question, on the left hand politically, a Christian government 00:52:22.160 --> 00:52:29.040 has a positive obligation to God to prevent false religions from spreading 00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:30.480 in its lands. 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.400 If we were a Christian nation, there would be no more mosques, 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:38.320 there would be no more synagogues, there would be no more Jehovah's 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:43.440 Witnesses, kingdom halls, there would there would be no more Mormon tabernacle. 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:48.240 These things, the Christian science reading rooms, these things which are overt 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:53.920 religions, which are which are antithetical to God, would not be permitted 00:52:54.080 --> 00:52:59.280 for the very same reason that when God gave the Hebrews new 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:03.360 lands, he told them to cast down the idols of those lands, 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.040 to destroy them. 00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:05.360 That 00:53:06.240 --> 00:53:08.240 wasn't political guidance. 00:53:08.240 --> 00:53:11.760 That wasn't a oh, that was then and this is now. 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:16.960 If you're a faithful Christian, you have a positive to desire to 00:53:17.120 --> 00:53:21.040 destroy that which is evil, that which will cause people to people 00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:22.800 to go to hell. 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.160 And if you're a Christian, if you actually believe what Christian doctrine 00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:32.240 teaches, then mosques and synagogues and Christian science reading rooms lead people 00:53:32.240 --> 00:53:33.040 to hell. 00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:35.280 They cause damnation by their existence 00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:39.040 and they would not be permitted. 00:53:39.040 --> 00:53:42.960 And that is why we will continue in virtually every episode, God 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:47.120 willing every episode, we will attack the enlightenment by name and we 00:53:47.120 --> 00:53:50.960 will give details about why the Enlightenment was a perversion and an 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:55.680 assault on God's order, because the notion of the separation of church 00:53:55.680 --> 00:54:00.880 and state, which has nothing to do even with the initial implementation 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.920 of the Constitution itself that was was memed later on, but it 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.320 was an enlightenment value. 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.680 The idea that well the state can go in one direction and 00:54:11.680 --> 00:54:14.720 the church can do go another and they don't need to step 00:54:14.720 --> 00:54:16.160 on each other's toes. 00:54:16.160 --> 00:54:18.960 There are cases where that's true and there are cases where that's 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:24.080 false. And if you have a Christian nation, you should seek through 00:54:24.080 --> 00:54:28.800 the gospel to reach those who can be reached to give them 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.320 the good news of God. 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.360 But you're under no obligation to permit them to practice witchcraft. 00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.000 You have an obligation to God to kill them if they practice 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.200 witchcraft. That's what God says in the Old Testament. 00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:43.840 And it's not, again, that's not a ceremonial law. 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.280 If someone is going to behave in a way that is 00:54:48.240 --> 00:54:54.800 overtly satanic, the left hand kingdom, not the right, not the church. 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:59.840 We're not saying that the church should be exercising exercising force or 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:05.200 violence. But the king, absolutely, he has a positive duty to do 00:55:05.200 --> 00:55:08.480 so. And to fail to do so is to fail to be 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:13.120 a Christian kingdom or principality or whatever form of government you have. 00:55:13.120 --> 00:55:14.240 It doesn't matter. 00:55:14.240 --> 00:55:17.280 The bottom line is if it is not upholding the very most 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.840 basic Christian premise that overt evil, even if it's spiritual evil, even 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.600 if even if if it's a Satan worshiper who's not actually openly 00:55:25.600 --> 00:55:29.120 sacrificing humans, doesn't matter. 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.400 They still must be cast down and they must be stamped out 00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:34.480 and they cannot be permitted to exist. 00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.120 And if that means that you have to hunt them the way 00:55:37.120 --> 00:55:41.520 we hunt terrorists and drug dealers, they're in the same category, only 00:55:41.520 --> 00:55:45.120 worse. Because you don't need to fear the one who can destroy 00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:45.760 the body. 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.080 You need to fear the one who can destroy both the body 00:55:48.080 --> 00:55:49.840 and soul forever. 00:55:50.640 --> 00:55:54.400 And beyond even that, it's not just that that individual 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:56.080 invites 00:55:57.040 --> 00:56:00.080 condemnation upon himself, invites judgment upon himself. 00:56:00.080 --> 00:56:05.120 If you actually read the passages in the Old Testament, the existence 00:56:05.120 --> 00:56:10.240 of these individuals in a nation invites invites judgment on the nation. 00:56:10.240 --> 00:56:14.160 And so we have this modern conception, it comes from libertarian, from 00:56:14.160 --> 00:56:18.400 enlightenment thought, that, well, my neighbor does his thing over on his 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.040 property, and I do mine on my property, and as long as 00:56:21.040 --> 00:56:24.960 I'm not interfering interfering with him, then he can keep doing it, 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.200 and as long as he's not interfering with me, then he can 00:56:27.200 --> 00:56:29.040 keep doing whatever he's doing. 00:56:29.040 --> 00:56:31.600 And that's just not true. 00:56:31.600 --> 00:56:36.080 Because what my neighbor does does directly affect me, particularly if he 00:56:36.080 --> 00:56:40.080 is worshiping a false god because he is inviting God's judgment on 00:56:40.080 --> 00:56:42.320 himself and on me. 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.120 I live next to him, I'm part of his nation. 00:56:45.120 --> 00:56:49.680 I am not immune to the consequences of my neighbour's evil. 00:56:49.680 --> 00:56:55.520 Because God doesn't just judge individuals, He judges individuals, families, and nations. 00:56:55.520 --> 00:56:58.800 And there are clear examples of this throughout Scripture. 00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.520 This is not something that appears in one place, it appears in 00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:02.480 many places. 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:07.520 It is very clear that just as God blesses the faithful, he 00:57:07.520 --> 00:57:10.640 will judge and curse the faithless. 00:57:11.040 --> 00:57:15.440 And the the inevitable an inevitable counter argument is, well what if 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:16.880 the government doesn't do it right? 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.720 What if they go after the wrong people? 00:57:19.120 --> 00:57:21.040 That's why we talk about headship. 00:57:21.040 --> 00:57:23.600 That is why we talk about the fact that he who is 00:57:23.600 --> 00:57:26.800 the head faces the stricter judgment. 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.840 We spent a lot of time in the first episode differ differentiating 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.960 between those who are subordinate and those who are superior. 00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.800 If you're in a superior position, you have a greater duty to 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.840 God, you have a greater accountability to God. 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:44.960 So am I worried that the man who is over my nation 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:50.720 politically may err in discerning the proper Christian treatment of things? 00:57:50.720 --> 00:57:51.280 Of course. 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.280 Just as I'm concerned that he may make errors in terms of 00:57:55.600 --> 00:58:01.360 warfare or the econom the economy or whatever, sound judgment and wisdom 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:05.040 in godly living are always driven by God and they're always 00:58:06.160 --> 00:58:09.120 in proclamation of God's will. 00:58:09.120 --> 00:58:12.720 And the fact that someone might get it wrong isn't an argument 00:58:12.720 --> 00:58:13.680 for not trying. 00:58:13.680 --> 00:58:16.640 It's an argument for getting it right and for caring about these 00:58:16.640 --> 00:58:18.880 things to the point that we 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:24.880 stridingly pursue them in a faithful obedience to God. 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.680 Frankly, one that hasn't been seen for a long time. 00:58:28.080 --> 00:58:31.440 when Christian nationalism is condemned by pastors. 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.800 I I didn't mention this earlier, but you need to understand for 00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:39.360 someone to condemn Christian nationalism is to convent condemn virtually all of 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:40.880 Christian history. 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.760 Christian nationalism is why you're a Christian. 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.040 I alluded to that point, but I want to make it explicit. 00:58:47.040 --> 00:58:50.480 You are a Christian because of Christian nationalism. 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:56.240 You're a Christian because the leaders of the European kingdoms became Christians 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.400 and their people became Christians. 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.880 In some cases it was more compelled than others. 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:01.680 But you know what? 00:59:01.680 --> 00:59:04.240 Even if you're compelled to be a Christian, even if you don't 00:59:04.160 --> 00:59:07.040 really believe it, if your kids are baptized and they're raised, they're 00:59:07.040 --> 00:59:08.240 gonna believe it. 00:59:08.240 --> 00:59:11.760 God visits his blessings on those who obey him. 00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.040 And that's not to suggest that that you can have some sort 00:59:15.040 --> 00:59:17.520 of pro forma obedience without faith. 00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:20.880 I'm simply saying that when you live a godly life, it will 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.320 bear godly fruit. 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.640 And that happens at the national level as well. 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.640 Even godly heathens are blessed by God to a certain degree. 00:59:28.640 --> 00:59:30.000 Absolutely. Yes. 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.120 They're blessed with children, they're blessed with long life and health. 00:59:33.120 --> 00:59:34.400 And you see this all the time. 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.760 And in It's one of the things that makes it difficult to 00:59:38.160 --> 00:59:41.680 reach them with the gospel because they're living the good life. 00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:42.640 They have everything. 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.000 They're at peace. 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:45.040 they don't lie. 00:59:45.040 --> 00:59:46.000 They don't slander. 00:59:46.240 --> 00:59:49.200 they do everything pretty much by the book. 00:59:49.200 --> 00:59:52.880 And so And so they they feel self-justified. 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:55.360 And no one should ever feel s self-justified. 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:58.080 Nothing that ever comes out of either one of our mouths should 00:59:58.080 --> 01:00:01.440 ever give anyone the indication that we think that we can save 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:03.520 ourselves by any of this. 01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:07.840 All of this is post ser soteriological conversation. 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.360 We're talking about, okay, I'm a Christian, what now? 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.880 That's the reason that James wrote his his wisdom epistle. 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.120 You know, the James is a is a book that scares a 01:00:17.120 --> 01:00:17.840 lot of Lutherans. 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.320 It used to scare me because I'd seen the the one verse 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.400 that says we're not saved that the that there's not that faith 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:26.560 without works isn't a thing. 01:00:26.560 --> 01:00:32.160 And if you've been inculcated in in the Lutheran doctrine and not 01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:38.320 seriously engaged with sanctified living and what it means to live a 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:42.480 Christian life, that does sound scary, but if you read the whole 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.960 epistle of James, he was writing to Christians to tell them, okay, 01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:48.720 you're Christians what now? 01:00:48.720 --> 01:00:52.160 I am telling you what the Christian life looks like in Jerusalem 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.840 or anywhere, because his words were the Holy Spirit's words and they're 01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:01.040 timeless. God gave us the epistle of James, he gave us Jesus 01:01:01.040 --> 01:01:03.440 preaching. That again, it's not mostly gospel. 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:06.320 It's mostly here's all the stuff stuff you should do and not 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:09.840 do. And Jesus wasn't confused about how you were saved. 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.640 He knew why he was here when he came. 01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:16.080 When he was preaching about obedience to God, he knew that the 01:01:16.080 --> 01:01:18.160 people who were hearing him would fail. 01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:20.240 He knew he was going to the cross to pay for their 01:01:20.240 --> 01:01:23.520 individual sins as well as well as ours, and he said it 01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:25.600 anyway. Was it futile? 01:01:25.600 --> 01:01:28.880 No, it was not futile because it is the means by which 01:01:29.120 --> 01:01:31.760 God wishes to give us his blessings. 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:32.880 When you disobey God, 01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:35.760 how's he gonna bless you? 01:01:36.160 --> 01:01:39.120 there are certain blessings you can receive, and those they're mentioned in 01:01:39.120 --> 01:01:43.840 scripture. The sun shines and the rain comes and the the food 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:48.480 is given to the righteous and to the unrighteous alike. 01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:52.880 But when you live in God's word and you live a sanctified 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.400 life that is that which is evil and focuses on that which 01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:00.480 is good, including what your neighbor is doing, you will have more 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:02.720 blessings. You might not get richer. 01:02:02.720 --> 01:02:04.400 You might still die from cancer. 01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:08.240 You're still blessed by God, even if the worst things happen to 01:02:08.240 --> 01:02:11.200 you, because you are living a life that is in conformance as 01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:16.160 much as you're able with his will, and that pleases God. 01:02:16.640 --> 01:02:21.200 we've become afraid to say that obeying God pleases God, which is 01:02:21.200 --> 01:02:23.120 insane because it's all over scripture. 01:02:23.120 --> 01:02:26.080 You can't open to a page that doesn't talk about a God 01:02:26.160 --> 01:02:28.720 pleasing life, pleasing God. 01:02:28.720 --> 01:02:30.720 We have a duty to please God. 01:02:30.720 --> 01:02:35.680 And when we talk about Christian nationalism in particular, we're saying that 01:02:35.680 --> 01:02:41.200 our God uh government, our nation should be ruled in a manner 01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:43.040 that is pleasing to God. 01:02:43.040 --> 01:02:48.080 And if you have a political environment that is permitting evil, is 01:02:48.080 --> 01:02:54.880 permitting idolatry, is permitting gross offenses against creation itself, that is the 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:57.520 opposite of pleasing to God, and you're not only going to get 01:02:57.520 --> 01:03:00.480 wrath, you're going to be judged for it, both in this life 01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.000 and the next, it is open sin for for us to tolerate 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.040 the government that we have and we're all guilty of it. 01:03:07.040 --> 01:03:10.800 And blogging about it and complaining about it on podcasts doesn't get 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:14.320 us off the hook because it's our government too and we will 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:17.840 pay the price for what it does from God. 01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:21.440 And we are certainly paying the price with the state of our 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:27.680 society. But to quickly address the the argument to be loose with 01:03:27.680 --> 01:03:31.600 the term that always comes up that has been mentioned several times. 01:03:31.600 --> 01:03:36.080 Those who say that, well, because this thing can be abused, it 01:03:36.080 --> 01:03:39.200 cannot possibly be good. 01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:42.720 Well, those who actually have and believe in the sacraments should understand 01:03:42.720 --> 01:03:47.120 that that is not the case because we use wine in the 01:03:47.120 --> 01:03:51.360 Sacrament of the Table in the Lord's supper, and can wine be 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.360 abused? Certainly. 01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.680 Does that mean that wine is evil? 01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:59.200 Well scripture is very clear that the answer is certainly no, it 01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:01.200 is not inherently evil. 01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:04.640 And to make sure we meet our Latin requirement for the episode, 01:04:04.640 --> 01:04:09.840 of course that's just abusus usum non tolitus abuse of a thing 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.440 does not cancel or make void the use of a thing. 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:15.520 Those are two separate considerations. 01:04:15.520 --> 01:04:19.600 Whether or not something is good is one consideration. 01:04:19.600 --> 01:04:22.480 Whether or not a particular use to which it is being put 01:04:22.560 --> 01:04:24.960 is another consideration. 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:29.680 And so to use a another illustration, there was a military commander 01:04:29.680 --> 01:04:33.760 who was being interviewed for the news because his base had had 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:37.280 some young boys come to the base to learn various things, one 01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:40.880 of which was marksmanship, handling a rifle. 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.560 And the female interviewer asked if that of course wasn't a dangerous 01:04:44.560 --> 01:04:48.320 activity. She said, Well you're equipping these young boys to be killers. 01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.960 And the general's response was very good. 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:54.800 Well, ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, 01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:55.520 are you? 01:04:57.520 --> 01:04:59.200 That's what it boils down to. 01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:05.680 It's the Christian life requires a Christian to live it. 01:05:05.680 --> 01:05:08.800 And the fact that we have so many who are afraid to 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.800 even say, Hey, go live a Christian life, it shows that we 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:16.080 have ceased to be faithful Christians by by any measure. 01:05:16.080 --> 01:05:17.600 You're not a Christian on Sunday. 01:05:17.600 --> 01:05:20.000 You're a Christian every day or you're never a Christian. 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.200 if you can go sit in a in a pew and take 01:05:23.200 --> 01:05:27.680 the sacrament and sing the hymns and love the liturgy and whatever 01:05:27.680 --> 01:05:30.880 performative things you do, no matter how much you feel them in 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.360 your heart, if you then go on with the rest of your 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:37.040 week and forget about it and think that you can engage fully 01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:41.280 in the opposite direction from God's will. 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.400 And it's not even that people do that thinking, well, they they 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:45.840 don't think it's sinful. 01:05:46.080 --> 01:05:48.400 they don't even think, well, I'm gonna go sin and Jesus will 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:49.680 forgive me on Sunday. 01:05:49.680 --> 01:05:51.600 They don't think that their sin is sinful, and that's the most 01:05:51.600 --> 01:05:55.280 terrifying aspect of all this is when we have pastors and other 01:05:55.280 --> 01:06:01.760 Christians openly attacking Christian nationalism, which is simply obedience to God, 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.200 and they they do it with a clear consciousness. 01:06:05.200 --> 01:06:07.600 That's what that's what all these things boil down to. 01:06:07.600 --> 01:06:09.440 I mentioned last week that 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:15.200 just because you're a Christian and you do something doesn't sanctify what 01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:17.760 you're doing as itself Christian. 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:20.320 You may well do it with a clear conscience and that makes 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:24.000 it even worse because not only is it very convincing, but you're 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.160 unrepentant when you sin. 01:06:26.160 --> 01:06:29.760 And that is why we will continuously point to scripture and what 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.600 God says jumping over the last couple hundred years of what's come 01:06:33.600 --> 01:06:37.360 out of our church or any other church or anywhere in society. 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:41.280 Because if something is true and it's from God, it is an 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:42.400 eternal truth. 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.120 And you don't need something that was put on a podcast last 01:06:45.120 --> 01:06:48.880 week or written in a book last year or published by a 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:51.680 synod fifty years ago for it to be true. 01:06:51.680 --> 01:06:53.840 If it's true, you're gonna find it in scripture. 01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:57.840 You're going to find that it's been practiced by Christians throughout time. 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.680 And what we find is that Christian nationalism has been practiced by 01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:06.640 Christians throughout time until the kingdoms were of Europe were overthrown and 01:07:06.640 --> 01:07:10.160 destroyed. And that began with the Enlightenment and it began with the 01:07:10.160 --> 01:07:14.480 revolutions and we are witnessing the culmination of it now. 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.040 And as we as we come to the end of this episode, 01:07:17.040 --> 01:07:20.080 I want to reiterate the point that we made last week about 01:07:20.160 --> 01:07:22.320 the genealogy of ideas. 01:07:22.560 --> 01:07:26.880 This idea that Christian nationalism is evil, as I mentioned, there are 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:30.480 dozens of podcasts devoted entirely to saying it's evil. 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:32.400 Those people are not Christians. 01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.160 Those people hate God. 01:07:34.160 --> 01:07:37.440 They're the same people who want to castrate children, who want to 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.000 do every manner of evil thing to creation. 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.400 They also hate Christian nationalism. 01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:46.480 So if you're on the fence or if you actively despise it, 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.320 it's important for you to look to your left and look to 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:54.560 your right and see who you who your brothers in arms are 01:07:54.560 --> 01:07:57.200 as you go to war against Christian nationalism. 01:07:57.200 --> 01:07:58.480 Because it's not Christians. 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.480 It's not the Christians of history. 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:04.000 It is the most evil people in this day who are doing 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:05.600 the most evil things. 01:08:05.600 --> 01:08:08.960 Those are the people who are the opponents of Christian nationalism. 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.000 And they're accompanied by Christians who are doing doing it in good 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.800 conscience. I uh there's a point that Dr. 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:19.600 Koontz made on the um Brief History of Power Podcast last year 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.480 that astonished me and I it's something I I re reiterate frequently. 01:08:24.480 --> 01:08:30.400 When Jeffrey Dahmer was captured and arrested and charged, it was exposed 01:08:30.400 --> 01:08:37.600 that Jeffrey Dahmer was a sodomite, a kidnapper, a rapist, a murderer, 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:40.800 a necrophile and a cannibal. 01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.720 Those were the charges, and that's what was what was exposed about 01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:49.280 him. He didn't speak in his own defense to say, No, I'm 01:08:49.200 --> 01:08:51.200 not any of those things. 01:08:51.200 --> 01:08:55.520 But when it came out that when observing his victimology, there were 01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:00.960 blacks and Asians that he targeted to kidnap and rape and murder 01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:07.840 and defile and eat, the press called him a racist, and that's 01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:09.920 when Jeffrey Dahmer spoke up. 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.320 He didn't care about the other things. 01:09:12.320 --> 01:09:16.720 He cared about being called a racist, because being called a racist 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:20.080 was contrary to Jeffrey Dahmer's religion. 01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:22.640 Not the religion in the sense that there was a church that 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:26.240 was devoted to it, but in Jeffrey Dahmer's heart of hearts, the 01:09:26.240 --> 01:09:29.760 greatest sin that he could imagine anyone committing was to be a 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:34.400 racist. And he wanted to set the record straight that I'm not 01:09:34.400 --> 01:09:35.200 a racist. 01:09:35.200 --> 01:09:36.480 Yeah, I'm a sodomite. 01:09:36.480 --> 01:09:39.920 Yeah, I'm a cannibal, I'm a necrophile, I'm a murderer, I'm not 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:40.800 a racist. 01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:43.520 Get let's get that one thing clear. 01:09:45.440 --> 01:09:50.800 That goes to the genealogy of ideas because if you hold that 01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:56.560 racism is evil or that Christian nationalism are evil, you need to 01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:58.400 look to your left and you need to look to your right 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.640 and see who it is that is in lockstep with you. 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:08.560 And then ask yourself: if I oppose Christian nationalism on the basis 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.480 of God's word, if I believe that I'm being faithful to God 01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:18.160 in opposing this thing, you must answer to your own satisfaction and 01:10:18.160 --> 01:10:19.840 to God's satisfaction. 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:23.360 How is it that the atheist to your left and the Jew 01:10:23.360 --> 01:10:26.800 to your right, who is every bit as angry and hateful as 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:31.280 you against Christian nationalism, how did they arrive at that conclusion? 01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:32.640 Because they don't have God. 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:33.680 They hate God. 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.240 They seek to destroy God's things. 01:10:36.240 --> 01:10:38.960 And they seek to destroy Christian nationalism. 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:41.520 Why are you in bed with those people? 01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:42.800 How did that happen? 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:44.480 Maybe we're completely wrong. 01:10:44.480 --> 01:10:47.360 Maybe all these evil people they got one thing right or two 01:10:47.360 --> 01:10:50.400 things right, since racism and Christian nationalism are all part of the 01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:51.360 same bucket. 01:10:51.360 --> 01:10:55.600 Maybe they're perfectly moral and perfectly right with God and they get 01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:56.800 everything else wrong. 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.600 But you need to ask yourself, how did that happen? 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.920 Because if they didn't get it from God, they got it from 01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:02.480 somewhere else. 01:11:02.480 --> 01:11:05.360 And when you look at the genealogy of where they got those 01:11:05.360 --> 01:11:09.680 ideas, it's the furthest thing imaginable from God. 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.960 And that is the same answer to where you got the idea, 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.000 because you didn't get it from Christians, you didn't get it from 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.880 Scripture, you didn't get it from God. 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:22.320 And this is a point we're gonna hammer home as often as 01:11:22.480 --> 01:11:27.760 is people will listen, because it's so easy in an evil world 01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:33.920 to not question assumptions and not question priors and just absorb whatever 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:34.400 we're given. 01:11:34.400 --> 01:11:37.600 And someone sprinkles Jesus dust on something and says it's in the 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:41.520 name of love and the gospel, you're morbidally you're morally obligated to 01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:42.960 do it and believe it. 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.680 That's the story that we're told. 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.080 that's Satan's story. 01:11:48.080 --> 01:11:49.600 That's Satan's gospel. 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:52.560 To say I'm opposed to everything that God is doing. 01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.360 Here, let me sprinkle some Jesus dust on it so you suckers 01:11:55.360 --> 01:11:57.280 will eat it up because I know you love that. 01:11:57.280 --> 01:11:59.840 And then you will run wild and do what I want. 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:02.880 That's what's happening with all of these subjects. 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.960 And I I wish the the Cory and I weren't the the 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:11.040 guys who are saying things that are controversial, but they shouldn't be 01:12:11.040 --> 01:12:14.080 controversial. 200 years ago, they wouldn't have been. 01:12:14.080 --> 01:12:18.560 Two hundred years ago, it would be unthinkable to have this conversation 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.600 because no one could conceive of a a world where people didn't 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:24.560 simply already understand it intrinsically. 01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.960 And yet today here we are, because of generations of faithlessness, the 01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:31.920 more and more we have abandoned godly living to the point that 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:35.840 when you say live a godly life, Christians recoil and we need 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:36.960 to undo that. 01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:40.000 No one would listen to this podcast two hundred years ago. 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:44.560 Even as fiction it would be somewhat outlandish. 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.840 Yeah, I mean it it it literally it fits the definition of 01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:52.000 unthinkable. the fact that you would have to debate over where people 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:54.720 come from or whether or not we should obey God and have 01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:56.000 Christian leaders. 01:12:56.320 --> 01:13:00.000 That's controversial in the church today and it's not because it they 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:01.440 got it out of the Bible. 01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:02.960 They didn't get out of the Bible. 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.720 And so I I just implore anyone listening, figure out where you 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:08.000 got the ideas. 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.400 Because if you didn't get 'em from God, you need to go 01:13:10.400 --> 01:13:12.400 find some ideas that came from God. 01:13:12.400 --> 01:13:14.480 And we're here to talk about those. 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:15.120 And 01:13:15.120 --> 01:13:18.720 if you're looking at the genealogy of ideas, a lot of times 01:13:19.040 --> 01:13:23.200 you can also look at the progeny of those ideas. 01:13:23.200 --> 01:13:27.760 Because if you look at the progeny the idea that well we're 01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:31.840 all one race, the human race, well we're all one, male and 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:34.240 female are just incidental. 01:13:34.240 --> 01:13:37.200 God rolled some dice and y your soul came out as one 01:13:37.200 --> 01:13:39.200 or the other, or maybe it's not even your soul, it's just 01:13:39.200 --> 01:13:39.600 your body. 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.320 God stuck your soul in a body that happens to be male, 01:13:42.320 --> 01:13:44.000 happens to be female. 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:48.000 Well, you start off there, and you wind up with transgenderism. 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:51.520 You wind up with sex reassignment, so-called surgeries for children. 01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:54.560 You wind up with puberty blockers, you wind up with abortion, you 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:56.480 wind up with all of these evils. 01:13:56.480 --> 01:14:00.480 They all flow naturally from these things that people believe and don't 01:14:00.480 --> 01:14:03.680 think are controversial or evil or wrong. 01:14:04.160 --> 01:14:07.840 And so just to close out, I'd like to give a quick 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:11.680 little summary of a good way for people to think about Christian 01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:16.320 nationalism and what exactly it is we mean and want by it. 01:14:16.320 --> 01:14:21.520 In the right-hand kingdom, our head ultimately is Christ, and so of 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:25.680 course our head is Christian, being Christ Himself. 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:30.560 All Christian nationalism is, is a desire to have a Christian head 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.800 in the left hand kingdom. 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:37.520 If you're a child, you want your father to be Christian. 01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:40.880 If you're a wife, you want your husband to be Christian. 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.040 If you're a citizen, you want your king to be Christian. 01:14:45.040 --> 01:14:48.560 And that's what we mean by Christian nationalism. 01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:52.320 Amen.