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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I am Corey J.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Mahler.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm still woe.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>On today's Stone Choir, we're going to begin the first of a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>three-part series on various facets of love.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Love is a word that's present in the English language and every</v>

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<v Speaker 3>other language.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Duh. It also has lots of variables and adjectives and modifiers to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it. And then there are related words that we don't typically think</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of as love, at least in English.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But when we look at some of the other older languages that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>fed into English, we do find that there are different words that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we consolidated into one.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so this three-part series is for the purpose of talking about</v>

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<v Speaker 3>some of those different facets.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And just as a very brief introduction, I want to lay a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>couple ground rules out.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>One, I think the term facet is a really vital part of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>how we're trying to explain this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you've ever been in a nice jewelry store with you know</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the white lights and maybe the salesman hand you a loop and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you look at a nice stone under that loop with that light</v>

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<v Speaker 3>shining down, it just pops, it sparkles.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You see incredible variety of light shining through, reflecting through the facets</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the gemstone.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The way we're handling love in the next few weeks is that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>love is basically that gem.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then the various words and aspects that we're talking about in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>these sequential weeks are the facets.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I highlight that because these things are not in exclusivity to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>each other.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So as we talk about, you know, words like agape and eros</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and others, we're not trying to subdivide them to the point that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we're making them exclusive because as we talk about them over the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>next few weeks what we're going to find is that frequently you'll</v>

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<v Speaker 3>have a couple of them in play at the same time.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But when you properly understand the nature of them, it becomes clear</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that although they're all facets of love, you won't have them all</v>

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<v Speaker 3>simultaneously for the purpose, for the reason that different aspects of love</v>

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<v Speaker 3>have different people on both sides.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're relationships.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Love is fundamentally a relationship in a relationship between two different people.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so the love of a parent is different than the love</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of a spouse is different than the love of a brother, is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>different than the love of a neighbor.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And at some point, you know, the words that we use in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>English cease to be love.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We use words, for example, like friendship, but it fundamentally means the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>same thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But it means different facets of the same thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the love that you have for a friend, you typically just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>call friendship.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you might say you love your friend, but friendship really properly</v>

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<v Speaker 3>encompasses all of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So as we're talking about all these various things, I just don't</v>

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<v Speaker 3>want people to think that we're reducing all this to a spreadsheet</v>

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<v Speaker 3>or a bunch of check boxes.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Different things come into play at different times.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's important just to understand that they're all there.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The other important point to lay as groundwork for all these episodes</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is that these are human things.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're things God has put in creation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're not explicitly Christian.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're not explicitly philosophical.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're not tied to certain vocabulary.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's all there.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Whether you have the word for it or not, you have the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>inherent behavior and inherent attitude towards others as you're just living your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>life. You're gonna have friends, you're gonna have family, you're gonna have</v>

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<v Speaker 3>different relationships with them.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And those will have varying degrees and natures of love.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the different words are because those different aspects all matter.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Part of the problem that we're trying to solve by tackling these</v>

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<v Speaker 3>subjects in this episode series is that the misapprehension of the words</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in our minds is causing us to make substantial categories where someone</v>

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<v Speaker 3>will come along and say, You must love X because of Y.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And usually Y is something in the Bible.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And everyone's like, Well, the Bible says I got love, so obviously.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good argument if it's true, but the problem is that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>when someone uses the collapsed English word love to encompass things that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps have different duties in nature and in scripture, than what the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>person who's trying to convict your conscience says, you have to be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>careful because you can actually end up sinning inadvertently by being sloppy</v>

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<v Speaker 3>about this stuff.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we talk a lot about First Timothy 5:8, where God</v>

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<v Speaker 3>says that the duty that we have inside our family is greater</v>

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<v Speaker 3>than the duty that we have outside our family.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And someone who despises that is worse than an unbeliever.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's it's talking about love, not in that explicit term, but it's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>also talking about scope of duty.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so when we're tackling these things that are political, they're religious,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they're social, it's important to get the scope of duty right as</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking at these subjects.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the reason we're breaking up into three different parts over a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>few weeks, we're gonna end with marriage with Eros and a couple</v>

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<v Speaker 3>related things, but we wanted to sequester that by itself as I</v>

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<v Speaker 3>said in the last episode, specifically because that one is gonna be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>not at all child friendly.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to have Frank talk about those specifics because it's basically</v>

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be the talk because for centuries there have been so many</v>

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<v Speaker 3>euphemisms around s some of those things that people have forgotten what</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it actually means.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So as I said online in I think I said last episode,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna make a lot of people angry and uncomfortable with that,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>but we're going to say specifically what scripture says and what we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>find in nature about it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So that's gonna be sequestered for your safety and your children's safety.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So you can just skip over it entirely if that's not your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>cup of tea.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This week and next week we'll be basically tackling everything else that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't kind of fall into the marriage bed.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so as we go through this, just keep in mind that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we're not trying to isolate these things from each other.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're just trying to help lay out kind of on a board</v>

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<v Speaker 3>here's how these things are related.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You have a person over here with an arrow drawing over here.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And once we finish this series, Corey is going to be publishing</v>

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<v Speaker 3>a finished version of the very nice flow chart that he made</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of collapse his thinking, you know, the explanations that we're</v>

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<v Speaker 3>working through.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna look like the guy in front of the crazy board</v>

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<v Speaker 3>with all the arrows and stuff.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes that's how the stuff looks.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And part of the reason he did that is that we started</v>

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<v Speaker 3>looking a few weeks ago when we decided to do this particular</v>

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<v Speaker 3>series. We looked at some of the other explanations from throughout history,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and they're kind of rubbish.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They don't tackle all these things at once.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we wanted to just do it all in one place and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>consolidate it so that you know like not that this is going</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to be authoritative, but this is another way of looking at it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it'll give you some ideas about how you can evaluate your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>own life.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when you have various facets of love in your heart</v>

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<v Speaker 3>for your family and your friends and your neighbors, how do they</v>

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<v Speaker 3>play out?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because there are duties associated with these heroes and their limits.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're limitations where the type of love that you have for one</v>

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<v Speaker 3>person is in fact forbidden for another.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not a failure of love.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's just the scope of the nature of the thing that God</v>

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<v Speaker 3>has given us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So these are fundamentally about God's blessings and about his obligations And</v>

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<v Speaker 3>about how we relate to them as humans.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Again, this isn't just Christian stuff, and it's not philosophical because throughout</v>

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<v Speaker 3>history, you know, before Jesus came when, you know, the Jews were</v>

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of off in their own corner, the Romans and the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Greeks were also tackling these subjects philosophically and they're playing things through</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and trying to come up with good answers to how man naturally</v>

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<v Speaker 3>acts towards man.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's a worthwhile endeavor, and it's something that's worth keeping in mind</v>

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<v Speaker 3>as we're living our lives because if you're sloppy and you don't</v>

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<v Speaker 3>think about it, you don't pay attention, you can very easily drop</v>

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<v Speaker 3>something on the floor that if you just gave it a little</v>

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<v Speaker 3>bit of thought, you would have done it well.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I often you know give the example of nutrition.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna eat something.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you think about what you're eating, you think about not eating</v>

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<v Speaker 3>too much, you think about the nutrient balance you're getting, you will</v>

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<v Speaker 3>have a better life simply for having been cognizant of what you're</v>

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<v Speaker 3>putting in your mouth.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas someone who's never cognizant, just shoveling out of the box or</v>

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<v Speaker 3>out of the bag, is inherently going to be worse off because</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't think.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So this is with you know Stone Choir in general, we just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>want people to think about this stuff.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So as we lay this out, I hope people won't get confused.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you'll come along as we present the various facets of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this. And just keep in mind, this is all about love in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the broad sense, in the love encompassing all the various things that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>are part of being a human.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So one way in which you can think about this all being</v>

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<v Speaker 2>facets, all of these different terms aspects of love being facets of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing, is you can relate it to the transcendentals which</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we have mentioned many times before.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Goodness, beauty and truth are not different parts of God's nature, because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God does not have parts.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They are facets, they are aspects.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>To some degree that is, of course, just so that we as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>human beings, as limited creatures, can understand it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But the same is true here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There are some topics that are sufficiently expansive that you have to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>address them in pieces in order to understand them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Not because those pieces are actual parts, not because they are discrete,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>but because you have to look at the different facets one at</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a time, or two at a time, three at a time, however</v>

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<v Speaker 2>many it happens to be, in order to build up that understanding</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the whole.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that is why we're doing this as a series, why we're</v>

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<v Speaker 2>doing three episodes.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In this episode we are going to be discussing agape and karitas</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now, these terms are obviously first Greek and then Latin, but the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>reason we're using these terms is because it helps to distinguish the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>different facets one from another.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We're also going to use the English equivalents because there's nothing special</v>

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<v Speaker 2>about the terms.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that this language has a concept and that language does</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not, particularly for something like this, I won't go so far as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to say that there are not untranslatable words in certain languages because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>there are, but they can always be translated with a paragraph, an</v>

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<v Speaker 2>explanation. In the case of the terms we will be using in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this series, most of them can be translated with one or two</v>

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<v Speaker 2>words. Caritas, for instance, is charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We have that word in English because we took it from caritas,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we took it from Latin and just used it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The same is true of piety, pietas, which we will get into</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in a later episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Agape, however, has to be translated as two or three words instead,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not just as one word, because we simply don't have a one</v>

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<v Speaker 2>word version of it in English, other than just using the Greek</v>

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<v Speaker 2>term agape, which many Christians are going to understand from looking at</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the Greek of Scripture.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But what agape is fundamentally is self sacrificing or sacrificial love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is a love that puts the good of the other first,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that seeks the good of that other.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so it is a particular facet of love, because not all</v>

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<v Speaker 2>love rises to that particular level.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily to say that agape is the best or the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate form of love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>To some degree it is because it's at the far end of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that spectrum in terms of the intensity of the sacrifice of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>individual for the other.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not to say that it's superior, say, to Storge, to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>familial love, to the love you would have for a sibling or</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a parent or a child.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, a parent for a child is going to be agape,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll get into some of the nuance of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Some of it in this episode, most of it in the next</v>

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<v Speaker 2>episode. But both of these terms, both of these facets of love,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>are closely related and yet distinct, and that distinction is important.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's why we are doing these two facets of love in this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>one episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because agape is not charity, and charity is not agape.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>At the edges they may shade one into the other, because for</v>

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<v Speaker 2>instance, when you are being charitable, you are seeking the good of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>another most certainly.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are giving of yourself, whether it is in terms of your</v>

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<v Speaker 2>time or your resources to aid another.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But it is not agape.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is distinct from it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And part of the reason for that is that agape necessarily flows</v>

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<v Speaker 2>from some sort of relationship.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Charity does not.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You can have charity for someone with whom you have an arm's</v>

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<v Speaker 2>length relationship.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have agape for a person with whom you have an</v>

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<v Speaker 2>arm's length relationship.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so I mentioned one of the examples of agape would be</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for a child from a parent.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is the love a parent has for a child.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is, of course, it's Storge, which is familial love, we'll get</v>

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<v Speaker 2>into that in the next episode, but it is also agape, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>every parent knows this, and every child, which is to say every</v>

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<v Speaker 2>human being should.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because parents sacrifice of themselves for the good of their children, whether</v>

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<v Speaker 2>it is the father who goes out and sacrifices his time and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>his sweat in order to provide for his family, or the woman</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who does the same in her household in order to raise her</v>

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<v Speaker 2>children, that is agape, it is a self-sacrificing love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is giving of oneself for the betterment, for the good of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>another. Now the inverse of that is not true of young children.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>A young child does not have agape for a parent.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now, of course, for a very young child it's simply because there's</v>

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<v Speaker 2>no way a very young child can have that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>However, once children are grown, and particularly once parents are aged, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>then it becomes a duty of the child to care for the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>aged parent, then things sort of switch because now it is agape</v>

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<v Speaker 2>on the part of the child for the parent, because now it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is the grown child who has to sacrifice in order to care</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for the aged parent.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Which is how this is supposed to work.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We've gone over that in a previous episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Primarily and usually it falls to the eldest child, but not always.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The grown child is supposed to care for the aged parent.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so you see sort of an inversion of that relationship as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the ages change over time.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because the parent no longer has the capacity to have that sort</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of self-sacrificial love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>A man in his nineties can no longer go out and work</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to provide for his family, and so he relies on his children</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to care for him, at least if things are ordered as they</v>

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<v Speaker 2>should be.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Contrary to agape, distinct from agape, is the concept, the facet of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>love that is charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now we all know what charity is.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Charity very simply is to provide for the needs of another, usually</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the poor, because that is typically the correct target for charity, the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>correct recipient of charity would be the needy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are not going to provide charity for the wealthy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That wouldn't be charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That would be typically political corruption, but that is not charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that highlights an important aspect of all of this, a way</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to break down and to understand these concepts</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You have really three aspects.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There are essentially two that are vitally important, but there's a third</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that is just inherently an aspect of almost everything in life.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so we'll go over that one first.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Which would be who is doing the loving, who is doing whatever</v>

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<v Speaker 2>it happens to be that constitutes the facet of love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so in many cases that's going to be you are the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>one doing it because you are analyzing your own actions.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But if we are analysing the actions of another, that person is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>relevant. Because you have to have, for instance, in familial love, there</v>

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<v Speaker 2>has to be a relationship, a familial relationship</v>

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<v Speaker 2>between the who doing the action and the whom receiving it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And of course that is the second part of this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There are appropriate targets, appropriate recipients for each kind of love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And if that love, supposed love, is directed toward a recipient that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is not appropriate, that is a disordered love, and if it is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>sufficiently disordered, it rises to the level of sin and may very</v>

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<v Speaker 2>well not be love whatsoever.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This, of course, is more obvious for some forms of love than</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for others, Eros being probably the most obvious example which we will</v>

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<v Speaker 2>get into in the third episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But in addition to who and whom, we have the nature or</v>

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<v Speaker 2>scope of the type of love in question.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so again, I mentioned that the wealthy are not an appropriate</v>

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<v Speaker 2>target for charity, the poor are.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so that is who and whom, but there's also a scope</v>

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<v Speaker 2>there. What is the extent of the charity that is appropriate to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>give to the poor.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Scripture says the one who does not work let him not eat,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and so it is not appropriate simply to provide endless so-called purity</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for those who refuse to work.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Endless welfare is not charity, it is not love, it is in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>fact hate, because not only are you wasting the resources of those</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who have given or have had that money taken from them, you</v>

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<v Speaker 2>are also harming the one who is just doing nothing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is harmful to sit and do nothing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man was made for work.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now of course there's the distinction between labor and work and we</v>

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<v Speaker 2>live in a fallen world, but that's for another time.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man must do something productive with his time.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If you are providing endless so called charity for one who is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not doing anything with his time, it is no longer charity, because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you have exceeded the scope, you've corrupted the nature of the thing,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and that person, that whom is no longer an appropriate target.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so those are the three aspects, as it were, of each</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of these facets that has to be analyzed when you are determining</v>

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not something is a particular kind of love, who is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>doing the thing, whom is receiving the thing, and what is the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>appropriate nature or scope of the love in question.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because if any one of those is absent or wrong, it is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a disordered love at best.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now as I said, that's a spectrum.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's the case with much of this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Well when I were discussing this before we started recording.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons that this topic is complex that there is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>some challenge in order to map out all of these connections between</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the various kinds of love is that each analysis more or less</v>

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<v Speaker 2>falls along a spectrum.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so</v>

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<v Speaker 2>charity. You can have the abject poor, the destitute, who are of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>course the strongest case in terms of whom to receive charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And then you can have those who are just marginally below the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>level that we would consider</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the appropriate level for someone living in our society.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's a spectrum.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The charity should of course go first to those who are in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>dire need.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, if you are going to provide clothing to those who</v>

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<v Speaker 2>need it, you probably provide it to the person who is naked</v>

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<v Speaker 2>first. Because he needs it most.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The person who is liable to freeze to death, if you do</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not clothe him, needs your charity first.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But that is the case for all of these there is a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>spectrum underlying it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so, as Wo said in his introduction, we cannot necessarily give</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you</v>

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<v Speaker 2>A set of rules If this then that, if that then this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's not how any of this works.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>As is the case with so many of the things we cover</v>

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast, this is a matter of wisdom.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are going to have to apply the gifts that God gave</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you to the facts as you find them, to the things set</v>

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<v Speaker 2>before you.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so for instance, when it comes to familial love, you are</v>

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to decide</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the extent of that with each one of your siblings, each one</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of your family members.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>How much do I aid this person?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>How much time do I invest here?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have to pull back because this is causing problems?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There is wisdom involved.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, you know, as we've used as an example previously, you</v>

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<v Speaker 2>don't give money to a sibling who is a drug addict.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's not love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's not charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You're not actually helping that person.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing holds in general with charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If you are giving money to drug addicts, you are not helping</v>

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<v Speaker 2>them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you get them a job or help them to get</v>

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<v Speaker 2>cleaned up, help them to get treatment, that's charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's appropriate charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But you can see that in each case, society, at least our</v>

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<v Speaker 2>fallen corrupt society, would call both of those things charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If you give money to in this case poor drug addicts, many</v>

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<v Speaker 2>will call it charity, but it's not.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because the nature, the scope of the thing you are doing is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>inappropriate, even if the target is appropriate as a recipient of that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>charity, and so each one of these aspects has to be correct</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for the kind of love in question to be love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because otherwise, again, it is disordered or it may very well just</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not be love.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the most obvious examples will be in the episode on</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Eros.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>One of the substantial aspects of the ancient definition of agape has</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to do with preference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>As Cory said, agape love is necessarily relational.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There's a subject and there's an object.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a known object.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There's some reason why you extend agape love to someone.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And even though there's self-sacrifice involved and you're willing to give up</v>

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<v Speaker 3>something for the person for whom you express this type of love.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's a preference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because we are not omnipotent, it is necessarily a limited preference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What I mean by that is I can't possibly agape everyone in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the world.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's impossible and it's stupid to want to try.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually evil to think that I can have the same amount</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of love that God has.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's not how God made us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We are not infinite.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We are finite.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're situated in certain places with families, neighbors, communities, the whole hierarchy</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that we go through so frequently.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>In our situation, we have the obligation from God to love our</v>

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<v Speaker 3>neighbor, to care for those who are around us, to care for</v>

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<v Speaker 3>family, and to care in different ways.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so all of those are expressing preference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yet what you find in the wicked corners of the church, which</v>

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<v Speaker 3>are not corners anymore, it's the majority of the church today, and</v>

00:24:35.840 --> 00:24:40.800
<v Speaker 3>almost the entirety of the secular world is that there can be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>no preference, which is itself inherently a preference, because they're always expressing</v>

00:24:45.840 --> 00:24:46.800
<v Speaker 3>a preference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But what they'll do is they'll say, you can't prefer your own.</v>

00:24:51.280 --> 00:24:53.920
<v Speaker 3>You have to prefer the far away.</v>

00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.840
<v Speaker 3>And then that means it's agape.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's nonsense.</v>

00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Having it be alienated from your own personal situation doesn't make it</v>

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<v Speaker 3>more loving because your you're finite.</v>

00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:05.680
<v Speaker 3>You're not omnipotent.</v>

00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.400
<v Speaker 3>You can't love everyone the way God does.</v>

00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:13.440
<v Speaker 3>There's necessarily a trade-off when you give to one when you love</v>

00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:17.680
<v Speaker 3>one preferentially, someone else isn't gonna get it.</v>

00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Now there's situations where that subdivision doesn't really apply nearly as much,</v>

00:25:22.560 --> 00:25:26.640
<v Speaker 3>for example, inside a family, but again that's gonna be another facet</v>

00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 3>of a different type of love.</v>

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.600
<v Speaker 3>When we're talking about agape, we're talking about I prefer to do</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this for this type of person.</v>

00:25:35.520 --> 00:25:40.080
<v Speaker 3>And as Corey's saying, another facet of another flavor of love is</v>

00:25:40.080 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 3>charity. And so there's a preference involved in charity, but it tends</v>

00:25:44.320 --> 00:25:48.640
<v Speaker 3>to be more externalized because the duty of charity, and in one</v>

00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.320
<v Speaker 3>particular case in scripture and historically in the church, has been alms</v>

00:25:52.320 --> 00:25:55.360
<v Speaker 3>giving. You give alms to a stranger.</v>

00:25:55.360 --> 00:25:57.840
<v Speaker 3>You don't give alms to your family.</v>

00:25:57.840 --> 00:26:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Your family's needs fall under first Timothy 5.8.</v>

00:26:01.520 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 3>If you're not caring for your own household, you're not failing to</v>

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 3>give alms.</v>

00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:10.320
<v Speaker 3>You're failing on a much more basic, much more crucial level.</v>

00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:11.840
<v Speaker 3>And so it's a different thing.</v>

00:26:11.840 --> 00:26:17.040
<v Speaker 3>It's the absence of love, but that opportunity cost of well, I'm</v>

00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Speaker 3>gonna give alms to the poor person, you know, across the road</v>

00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:26.560
<v Speaker 3>or ten thousand miles away when your own family is suffering, the</v>

00:26:26.560 --> 00:26:28.080
<v Speaker 3>world will say, Oh, that's wonderful.</v>

00:26:28.080 --> 00:26:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that isn't that a blessing?</v>

00:26:29.520 --> 00:26:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, it's not, because the opportunity costs is that you've deprived</v>

00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:37.200
<v Speaker 3>those to whom God has situated you most closely, and where you</v>

00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.680
<v Speaker 3>may well have greater duties, because all of these facets have different</v>

00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.000
<v Speaker 3>types of degrees of duties.</v>

00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.600
<v Speaker 3>As we'll get into in the third episode, the duties of love</v>

00:26:47.600 --> 00:26:52.160
<v Speaker 3>that a spouse has to each other is very different than the</v>

00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.760
<v Speaker 3>type of duties of love that you have to a neighbor or</v>

00:26:55.760 --> 00:26:57.200
<v Speaker 3>to a sibling.</v>

00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 3>They're fundamentally different, but they're all duties to some degree, and some</v>

00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 3>of them are very particularized, and some of them are diffuse, and</v>

00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.400
<v Speaker 3>some of them are situationally random effectively.</v>

00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 3>The example of the Good Samaritan was basically random.</v>

00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.840
<v Speaker 3>The man happened to be a neighbor for the moment.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>When the Samaritan passed by and saw the man who'd been beaten</v>

00:27:18.560 --> 00:27:21.440
<v Speaker 3>and bloodied, he took care of him 'cause he was right there.</v>

00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 3>It was happenstance that he came by.</v>

00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 3>He was situationally his neighbor.</v>

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:27.360
<v Speaker 3>He showed love for him.</v>

00:27:27.360 --> 00:27:31.600
<v Speaker 3>He showed charity for him by taking care of those immediate needs.</v>

00:27:31.600 --> 00:27:34.000
<v Speaker 3>But that was basically the end of the relationship.</v>

00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 3>He didn't adopt the man.</v>

00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 3>He didn't become his lifelong adopted brother.</v>

00:27:38.800 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 3>He took care of his needs and that was it.</v>

00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.320
<v Speaker 3>And that's not hostility.</v>

00:27:42.320 --> 00:27:46.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that's one thing as we look at these various facets,</v>

00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.760
<v Speaker 3>the world and the evil parts of the church want to say,</v>

00:27:49.760 --> 00:27:53.040
<v Speaker 3>if you don't use an unlimited form of every one of these</v>

00:27:53.040 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 3>facets, you're being evil and hostile.</v>

00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:00.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, in the third episode and we're talking about marriage, obviously that's</v>

00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 3>wicked. If I want to be your friend, that's one thing.</v>

00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.120
<v Speaker 3>If we want to have a you know a brotherly relationship, that's</v>

00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:10.640
<v Speaker 3>great. If I want to have the sort of relationship with your</v>

00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.040
<v Speaker 3>wife, that's a completely different matter.</v>

00:28:13.040 --> 00:28:15.360
<v Speaker 3>It becomes an inherently wicked.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're lines.</v>

00:28:16.560 --> 00:28:19.760
<v Speaker 3>There are lines, there are duties, there are scopes of all these</v>

00:28:19.760 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Speaker 3>things. And so it's not the same.</v>

00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 3>The marriage is one-to-one.</v>

00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 3>The family unit is ordained and created by God.</v>

00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 3>You can't make more children than God gives you.</v>

00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 3>And the scope of your family, your immediate family, is bounded.</v>

00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 3>You can adopt, and that's also bringing someone into your family.</v>

00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 3>That's grafting.</v>

00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.400
<v Speaker 3>And it's a blessing that we have always had that.</v>

00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Jesus was adopted by Joseph functionally.</v>

00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 3>He became his father legally.</v>

00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 3>He was his father.</v>

00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.320
<v Speaker 3>He was his earthly father.</v>

00:28:50.320 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 3>And it was by adoption.</v>

00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:57.360
<v Speaker 3>And then we become adopted sons of God through baptism, through faith.</v>

00:28:57.360 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 3>When we look at things like agape and we look at the</v>

00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:05.040
<v Speaker 3>preference that's inherent to it, we have to just be clear about</v>

00:29:05.040 --> 00:29:07.040
<v Speaker 3>the fact that it's okay to have preference.</v>

00:29:07.040 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 3>I think that's one of the things that we hope to get</v>

00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.920
<v Speaker 3>across in this series is that there's an attack on the idea</v>

00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.760
<v Speaker 3>that you can prefer anyone or anything, which again is always fundamentally</v>

00:29:15.760 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 3>a preference, because they're never telling the truth when they say that</v>

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.520
<v Speaker 3>sort of thing.</v>

00:29:19.520 --> 00:29:23.360
<v Speaker 3>When I say, well, I prefer my race, I prefer my community</v>

00:29:23.520 --> 00:29:28.080
<v Speaker 3>over some other random community somewhere else, they'll say that's hateful.</v>

00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:32.320
<v Speaker 3>But what they're actually saying is that I have a moral obligation</v>

00:29:32.320 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 3>to love strangers, to have agape and charity for those who are</v>

00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:37.040
<v Speaker 3>somewhere else.</v>

00:29:37.040 --> 00:29:38.800
<v Speaker 3>It's still stating a preference.</v>

00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:41.520
<v Speaker 3>It's all of these are inherently preferential.</v>

00:29:41.520 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 3>And that's okay.</v>

00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 3>It because we're not omnipotent.</v>

00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 3>We can't possibly love in any degree everyone.</v>

00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.000
<v Speaker 3>We have to do it where we are.</v>

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 3>And so as we discuss the various aspects, just keep in mind,</v>

00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.720
<v Speaker 3>understanding the limitations and the scope and the giver and the receiver</v>

00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:02.320
<v Speaker 3>for all these types is important because people are coming along every</v>

00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:05.040
<v Speaker 3>day and saying, no, no, no, not like not like that.</v>

00:30:05.040 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 3>You have to love in this different way, in this different circumstance,</v>

00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:13.280
<v Speaker 3>and they end up inverting that which is ordained by God, and</v>

00:30:13.280 --> 00:30:16.400
<v Speaker 3>they end up causing you to do evil because of the opportunity</v>

00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 3>cost of preferencing that which is far away, or whatever perverted preference</v>

00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:21.280
<v Speaker 3>they're giving you.</v>

00:30:21.280 --> 00:30:23.360
<v Speaker 3>And it's always a perversion of preference.</v>

00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:26.080
<v Speaker 3>that's the flip side of all these things.</v>

00:30:26.080 --> 00:30:30.720
<v Speaker 3>When the world, when Satan perverts these types of love, it is</v>

00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 3>always to take that which is ordered by God as a good</v>

00:30:34.080 --> 00:30:39.760
<v Speaker 3>preference, and rather to prefer something that's awful, something that's disordered, something</v>

00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:43.120
<v Speaker 3>that can only do harm, even if it's doing good for someone</v>

00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:43.840
<v Speaker 3>who's far away.</v>

00:30:43.840 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, if if you give all your money to someone ten</v>

00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 3>thousand miles away, they're probably gonna be better off for it, at</v>

00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:50.080
<v Speaker 3>least for a little while.</v>

00:30:50.080 --> 00:30:52.960
<v Speaker 3>But what's the opportunity cost that you've done here?</v>

00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.320
<v Speaker 3>We did the entire episode on inheritance.</v>

00:30:56.320 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Part of that was about the delinquency of the older generations today</v>

00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 3>despising giving an inheritance to their children.</v>

00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.920
<v Speaker 3>That's an obligation that is inherent.</v>

00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.280
<v Speaker 3>And yet they're preferring strangers.</v>

00:31:11.280 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 3>So love and preference are bound up.</v>

00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 3>And as limited creatures, we don't have unlimited love.</v>

00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 3>We only have so much.</v>

00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:21.840
<v Speaker 3>It can only go so far.</v>

00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:26.240
<v Speaker 3>And so when we prefer to give it to others, sometimes it's</v>

00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.280
<v Speaker 3>a conscious choice.</v>

00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it's situationally dictated.</v>

00:31:29.600 --> 00:31:33.120
<v Speaker 3>And sometimes you just sort of luck into it.</v>

00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:36.240
<v Speaker 3>You meet someone, you know, if it's someone of the opposite sex</v>

00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 3>and you're attracted to 'em, that's one kind of love.</v>

00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 3>If it's the same sex and you just really get along very</v>

00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 3>well, it's a different kind of love.</v>

00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.320
<v Speaker 3>We call it friendship, brotherhood, things like that.</v>

00:31:46.320 --> 00:31:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Whichever one of those you have, it's still limited.</v>

00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:51.600
<v Speaker 3>You can only do it for a few people.</v>

00:31:51.840 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Even if you get up to the like the Dunbar number of</v>

00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:57.440
<v Speaker 3>150 we've talked about a number of times recently, that's really the</v>

00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.800
<v Speaker 3>maximum scope of any kind of meaningful relationship.</v>

00:32:00.800 --> 00:32:05.600
<v Speaker 3>And then within those relationships of about 150 people, you're gonna have</v>

00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:09.120
<v Speaker 3>a winnowing of the degrees and types of love that are even</v>

00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:11.600
<v Speaker 3>possible. And when you get to the very closest and most intimate</v>

00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 3>level, you have your family and you have your spouse.</v>

00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Those are all preferences and they're all good.</v>

00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.280
<v Speaker 3>It's okay to prefer your own because that's what God gave you.</v>

00:32:21.280 --> 00:32:23.840
<v Speaker 3>And it's okay to say, well, I have to do this duty</v>

00:32:23.840 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 3>first. This is what's in front of me.</v>

00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.040
<v Speaker 3>This is what God gave me.</v>

00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:30.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to prefer it because that's the way it is.</v>

00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Pagans understand this.</v>

00:32:31.520 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Pagans can live godly lives.</v>

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't save them, but they intrinsically understand that this is how</v>

00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 3>God ordered the world.</v>

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:44.480
<v Speaker 3>And this modern notion of despising self and despising nearby and despising</v>

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:49.120
<v Speaker 3>family for the sake of aliens is profoundly wicked and a way</v>

00:32:49.120 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 3>that is predicted as a sign of the end times.</v>

00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.040
<v Speaker 3>That's something we'll cover in detail next week in one portion of</v>

00:32:55.040 --> 00:32:57.200
<v Speaker 3>another facet of love.</v>

00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.520
<v Speaker 3>But just keep in mind that you have a permission slip from</v>

00:33:01.520 --> 00:33:05.600
<v Speaker 3>God to prefer certain people in certain situations.</v>

00:33:05.600 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 3>And when you have an outpouring of these facets of love, there's</v>

00:33:09.840 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 3>a basically a guidebook in creation and in scripture that says this</v>

00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 3>is a good properly ordered version of it or this is disordered.</v>

00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 3>And so think about it, check your work, see if you're doing</v>

00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:23.040
<v Speaker 3>it right.</v>

00:33:23.040 --> 00:33:25.760
<v Speaker 3>And if you are, you should have a clean conscience.</v>

00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:29.360
<v Speaker 3>You should have a clean conscience about preferring that which God says</v>

00:33:29.360 --> 00:33:31.760
<v Speaker 3>for you to prefer.</v>

00:33:31.840 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Many of the terms that we're going to use in this episode</v>

00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and in this series, in order to describe certain things.</v>

00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>overlap each other.</v>

00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.840
<v Speaker 2>There are going to be terms that have a core sense and</v>

00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>then sort of a gray area and emanation around them.</v>

00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>And one of those is going to be preference, which has a</v>

00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.480
<v Speaker 2>range of meanings of intensities in English.</v>

00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm going to use the term in a slightly different</v>

00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>way from how Wo just used it, because I want to give</v>

00:34:03.760 --> 00:34:07.440
<v Speaker 2>you a sort of hierarchy to help structure some of this in</v>

00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>your mind, and many other things as well.</v>

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>This is a general hierarchy, it's not just for this episode or</v>

00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>this series.</v>

00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.720
<v Speaker 2>And the hierarchy is duty, love, and preference.</v>

00:34:22.720 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>And that is in order, because as I mentioned, as I said,</v>

00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.080
<v Speaker 2>it is a hierarchy.</v>

00:34:28.080 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Duty is highest, love is second, mere preference we could call it,</v>

00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>is third.</v>

00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>And so when you have a duty, that trumps everything else.</v>

00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.520
<v Speaker 2>When you have a specific duty, and duties of course all flow</v>

00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:44.480
<v Speaker 2>from God, that's the reason they trump everything else.</v>

00:34:44.720 --> 00:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>So God is giving you certain duties to your wife.</v>

00:34:49.040 --> 00:34:52.080
<v Speaker 2>You are to fulfill those duties, period.</v>

00:34:52.080 --> 00:34:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Because they're from God, and it's a duty.</v>

00:34:54.240 --> 00:34:56.240
<v Speaker 2>It trumps all else.</v>

00:34:56.240 --> 00:34:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Love is second to that, and so love is going to trump</v>

00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>a mere preference.</v>

00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And so for instance, the love that you have for family is</v>

00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>going to trump the mere preference you have, which is a form</v>

00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:11.760
<v Speaker 2>of love, for friends.</v>

00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>So keep that general hierarchy in mind.</v>

00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 2>It helps to keep some of this clear and order some of</v>

00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.160
<v Speaker 2>it as we go through this topic and other ones as well.</v>

00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:25.920
<v Speaker 2>But to emphasize something that Wo said and to use another term</v>

00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:33.120
<v Speaker 2>from economics, you are limited with regard to not just</v>

00:35:33.120 --> 00:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>how many people you can love, as Woe was saying with the</v>

00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Dunbar number, but also</v>

00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:44.880
<v Speaker 2>any instance of using your resources or even just your time, because</v>

00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.520
<v Speaker 2>many times loving someone is a function of time invested.</v>

00:35:49.520 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>We'll get more into that in the next two episodes.</v>

00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>But there's a utility aspect to this, not in the economic sense</v>

00:35:59.120 --> 00:36:02.640
<v Speaker 2>necessarily strictly of utility, I'm not saying that there's a unit of</v>

00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:05.520
<v Speaker 2>love and you spend it in the most productive way Productive way.</v>

00:36:05.520 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not like a dollar, I'm not talking about it as being</v>

00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.200
<v Speaker 2>fungible, but</v>

00:36:10.640 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>to some degree there is, because there's that unit of time and</v>

00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 2>you can invest it in certain ways, or there's the unit of</v>

00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:21.120
<v Speaker 2>money in the case of charity, and you can invest that in</v>

00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>certain ways.</v>

00:36:23.120 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>There is a hierarchy with regard to these things, and so you</v>

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Speaker 2>owe a higher duty to your family.</v>

00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.600
<v Speaker 2>That love trumps that you're going to have for a stranger.</v>

00:36:33.600 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 2>We'll get more into this in the next episode in this series,</v>

00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.640
<v Speaker 2>but just to emphasize this as an example, if you have a</v>

00:36:43.040 --> 00:36:48.080
<v Speaker 2>poor family member who needs aid, you are to help that family</v>

00:36:48.080 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 2>member before you help a stranger.</v>

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>The charity that you would give to a stranger has to take</v>

00:36:54.800 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>a back seat to the love of family, which trumps the alien,</v>

00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.120
<v Speaker 2>which trumps the stranger, because as we have mentioned many times before,</v>

00:37:05.120 --> 00:37:09.120
<v Speaker 2>there is a hierarchy when it comes to those you love, when</v>

00:37:09.120 --> 00:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>it comes to your duties to others.</v>

00:37:12.080 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 2>It flows first of all to those who are closest.</v>

00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, as Woe was saying, today society would tell us that that</v>

00:37:20.640 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>is a wicked thing, that you can't preference your own over the</v>

00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:29.600
<v Speaker 2>alien. Step back and think about that for a minute.</v>

00:37:29.600 --> 00:37:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Those who are closest to you are closest to you because of</v>

00:37:34.240 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the way that God has designed the world.</v>

00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 2>It is not random that your children are closest to you after</v>

00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>your spouse, and in fact in some ways closer to you than</v>

00:37:46.160 --> 00:37:51.200
<v Speaker 2>your spouse, because they are related to you by flesh and blood</v>

00:37:51.200 --> 00:37:52.400
<v Speaker 2>more directly.</v>

00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Your spouse should be a distant cousin because that's the way God</v>

00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 2>has designed things in terms of fertility, which is a clear indication</v>

00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.760
<v Speaker 2>of God's approval.</v>

00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:04.160
<v Speaker 2>But the reason that your children</v>

00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>are closest to you is because that's how God designed the system.</v>

00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>And so when those who believe that it's a wicked thing to</v>

00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>preference your own tell you that you cannot prefer your family or</v>

00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.560
<v Speaker 2>your extended family or your nation, what they're actually saying is God</v>

00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>got it wrong.</v>

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>We're more moral than God.</v>

00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.720
<v Speaker 2>We'll be better than God.</v>

00:38:28.720 --> 00:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>And ultimately, the goal, of course, because it's Satan behind it and</v>

00:38:32.560 --> 00:38:36.080
<v Speaker 2>he knows exactly what he's doing the goal is to make it</v>

00:38:36.080 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>impossible to love anyone.</v>

00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>When you love everyone, you love no one.</v>

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 2>If you were to show the same sort of love that you</v>

00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:51.200
<v Speaker 2>have or should have for your spouse to every single person you</v>

00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>meet, you don't love your spouse, and quite frankly you're probably a</v>

00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 2>pest, you should be put in prison.</v>

00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.120
<v Speaker 2>But fundamentally you no longer love your spouse.</v>

00:39:01.120 --> 00:39:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Part of loving someone is showing that preference, is having a partiality</v>

00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:10.800
<v Speaker 2>for that person, a partialness to that person.</v>

00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Now there are those of course who are going to say, well</v>

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't scripture say that we can't be partial?</v>

00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>We have gone over what that means in that context in Scripture.</v>

00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>There is a wicked partiality, which is inappropriate, and there is a</v>

00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 2>proper partiality, which is not only appropriate, but is required, it is</v>

00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>a duty.</v>

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.080
<v Speaker 2>You are required to be partial to your family.</v>

00:39:34.080 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>We will get into that when we are discussing Storge.</v>

00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.720
<v Speaker 2>And it is one of the signs of those who are not</v>

00:39:40.720 --> 00:39:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Christian, who are worse than unbelievers, that they do not have</v>

00:39:44.560 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 2>this form of correct partiality.</v>

00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:54.160
<v Speaker 2>And so you cannot say, well, I have set aside my money</v>

00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>in order to provide charity for these people who are five thousand</v>

00:39:58.400 --> 00:39:59.040
<v Speaker 2>miles away.</v>

00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:03.360
<v Speaker 2>So I can't possibly aid my poor family members or those who</v>

00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.560
<v Speaker 2>are in my own community because I'm being charitable.</v>

00:40:06.560 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing exact no, you're not doing what you're supposed to do.</v>

00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Because you are pursuing something that is lower down the priority list</v>

00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>with regard to your moral duties, and then saying, look at how</v>

00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.720
<v Speaker 2>holy I am.</v>

00:40:23.120 --> 00:40:27.360
<v Speaker 2>That alone should worry you if you are engaged in that.</v>

00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Also the kind of people who engage in it if you look</v>

00:40:29.680 --> 00:40:31.520
<v Speaker 2>at them that should worry you as well if you want to</v>

00:40:31.520 --> 00:40:32.640
<v Speaker 2>be in that camp.</v>

00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Who's in that camp?</v>

00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Who is the leader of that camp?</v>

00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>It's the wicked Pharisee who prays, Thank you God that I am</v>

00:40:39.120 --> 00:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>not like other men.</v>

00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:44.160
<v Speaker 2>That's what you're doing when you are engaged in that sort of</v>

00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 2>telescopic philanthropy one could call it.</v>

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>When you're engaged in</v>

00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 2>supposed charity for those who are thousands of miles away, at the</v>

00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>expense of those who are close to you.</v>

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.720
<v Speaker 2>That's the key aspect of this.</v>

00:40:58.720 --> 00:41:01.520
<v Speaker 2>If we lived in a country</v>

00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that was so wealthy, so perfectly ordered and run, that we don't</v>

00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>have any poor, which is very unlikely in this life, as Christ</v>

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.720
<v Speaker 2>says, the poor will always be will always be with you.</v>

00:41:14.720 --> 00:41:18.240
<v Speaker 2>But let's say we manage to get rid of that kind of</v>

00:41:18.240 --> 00:41:20.720
<v Speaker 2>poverty, the worst sorts of poverty.</v>

00:41:20.720 --> 00:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>We solve these problems.</v>

00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 2>In that case, fine.</v>

00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Direct your charity to those who are more distant, because you have</v>

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.680
<v Speaker 2>already helped those who are closer.</v>

00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:36.560
<v Speaker 2>That is a requirement from God, because again, God has created these</v>

00:41:36.560 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 2>hierarchies. Those who are closer to you are not closer to you</v>

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.800
<v Speaker 2>by random chance.</v>

00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 2>They are closer to you by design.</v>

00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>God has given you a higher duty to them.</v>

00:41:49.040 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And so if you engage in supposed charity with those who are</v>

00:41:52.960 --> 00:42:00.320
<v Speaker 2>farther away, you are not engaging in charity, because that is disordered</v>

00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 2>to the point that it rises to being a sin.</v>

00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>It is possible to engage in something that the world calls love,</v>

00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 2>and one would think this is obvious and particularly we get to</v>

00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Eros later on, but it is possible to engage in something the</v>

00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>world calls love and have it actually be a sin.</v>

00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.520
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the reasons that we are going over these two</v>

00:42:23.520 --> 00:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>topics in this episode.</v>

00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Partly they lay the groundwork and partly they serve as a contrast.</v>

00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Because if you have someone to whom this agape love is owed,</v>

00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:40.640
<v Speaker 2>and instead you are engaging in supposed charity, you're sinning at both</v>

00:42:40.640 --> 00:42:44.400
<v Speaker 2>ends. Because you are not fulfilling your duty to the first person,</v>

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and you are and you are wrongfully pursuing a wicked manufactured duty,</v>

00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>one that does not exist, to the second person.</v>

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>There are things that are supposedly good, that if they were in</v>

00:42:59.600 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a vacuum would be good, that in context, when you run a</v>

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>fact specific analysis, may very well be wicked, and so charity, all</v>

00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>else being equal, is good, period.</v>

00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 2>But charity that comes at the expense of those to whom a</v>

00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.440
<v Speaker 2>higher duty is owed is no longer charity.</v>

00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Because you have fundamentally violated that third step of the analysis as</v>

00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 2>it were.</v>

00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:32.240
<v Speaker 2>They're not really necessarily steps, but that third aspect of the analysis,</v>

00:43:32.240 --> 00:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>the nature and scope of the thing.</v>

00:43:34.560 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 2>And of course you have directed it to the wrong person, but</v>

00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you've directed it to the wrong person because you didn't realize, or</v>

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you didn't care, that you have a higher duty to others.</v>

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:52.640
<v Speaker 2>This is not a buffet, all of these terms.</v>

00:43:52.640 --> 00:43:55.280
<v Speaker 2>You don't look at a table with all of the different kinds</v>

00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.600
<v Speaker 2>of love and just pick whichever one you want and pursue that</v>

00:43:57.680 --> 00:43:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and that that seems good.</v>

00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll do that today.</v>

00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>There are duties.</v>

00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:02.720
<v Speaker 2>There's a hierarchy.</v>

00:44:03.120 --> 00:44:06.160
<v Speaker 2>There are those to whom these things are owed, just as we</v>

00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>pay taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is</v>

00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.200
<v Speaker 2>owed. We also owe love, we have a duty to pursue the</v>

00:44:15.200 --> 00:44:15.360
<v Speaker 2>good</v>

00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.240
<v Speaker 2>of certain people that may very well even be at the expense</v>

00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>of others.</v>

00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Because if you have a poor family member and you have X</v>

00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.040
<v Speaker 2>amount of money left over, or X amount of money that you</v>

00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 2>can set aside to help someone, if you help that family member</v>

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:38.000
<v Speaker 2>as you should, that is at the expense, under a certain conception,</v>

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.200
<v Speaker 2>of others, to whom you could have given charity.</v>

00:44:41.200 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>The reason you don't give that particular charity is because you had</v>

00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the higher duty to the family member.</v>

00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.520
<v Speaker 2>The world wants to tell you you don't have a higher or</v>

00:44:51.520 --> 00:44:55.200
<v Speaker 2>a lesser duty, or even in some cases, most perversely, the world</v>

00:44:55.200 --> 00:44:58.160
<v Speaker 2>will invert it, as Will was saying, and will tell you you</v>

00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:02.240
<v Speaker 2>have the highest duty to the most distant person.</v>

00:45:02.240 --> 00:45:04.160
<v Speaker 2>That is satanic.</v>

00:45:04.160 --> 00:45:06.720
<v Speaker 2>That is incredibly wicked, and we will go over this at greater</v>

00:45:06.720 --> 00:45:11.680
<v Speaker 2>length in the next episode, but to invert the one to whom</v>

00:45:11.680 --> 00:45:16.160
<v Speaker 2>love is owed the most, and give instead that love to the</v>

00:45:16.160 --> 00:45:19.760
<v Speaker 2>one to whom it is owed the least is satanic.</v>

00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>That is Satan attempting to destroy</v>

00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>love. If you treat everyone the same, then you have no friends.</v>

00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>If you treat everyone the same, then you have no family.</v>

00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.920
<v Speaker 2>As Well was saying, part of having a friend is showing a</v>

00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:44.240
<v Speaker 2>preference. If A is your friend and B is a stranger and</v>

00:45:44.240 --> 00:45:47.120
<v Speaker 2>both of them ask you Ask you to go out to dinner.</v>

00:45:47.120 --> 00:45:51.120
<v Speaker 2>You're going to say yes to your friend and tell B another</v>

00:45:51.120 --> 00:45:55.040
<v Speaker 2>time. Because that's part of what it means for A to be</v>

00:45:55.040 --> 00:45:59.680
<v Speaker 2>your friend, is to show that preference toward him and yes, at</v>

00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the expense of that other.</v>

00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>As Woe was saying, we do not have infinite capacity, we are</v>

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 2>not God, we cannot be perfect with regard to these things.</v>

00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Now Now, in this case, we're saying perfect in an absolute sense,</v>

00:46:17.680 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>not perfect in a relative creaturely sense, because in the creaturely sense,</v>

00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to act perfectly is to act in accord with the hierarchy God</v>

00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:31.200
<v Speaker 2>is created, and so preferencing A over B is in a creaturely</v>

00:46:31.200 --> 00:46:32.720
<v Speaker 2>sense perfect.</v>

00:46:32.720 --> 00:46:36.720
<v Speaker 2>It is not perfect in an absolute sense, because you cannot be</v>

00:46:36.720 --> 00:46:39.120
<v Speaker 2>two places at the same time.</v>

00:46:39.120 --> 00:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>God can do that.</v>

00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>God can perfectly love each and everything He has created.</v>

00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.040
<v Speaker 2>You cannot do that because you are limited.</v>

00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You are a creature.</v>

00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.280
<v Speaker 2>You have a limited amount of time, you have a limited amount</v>

00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 2>of resources, you have a limited number of relationships that you can</v>

00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:03.520
<v Speaker 2>maintain. That is a very important point here, and that is why</v>

00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:06.320
<v Speaker 2>we have mentioned it so many times.</v>

00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.720
<v Speaker 2>If you are attempting to pursue the same kind of relationship with</v>

00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 2>every single person you meet, or God forbid, every single person in</v>

00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.640
<v Speaker 2>the world, you will ultimately have a relationship with no one.</v>

00:47:20.640 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>That will make you inhuman.</v>

00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:26.400
<v Speaker 2>That is a wicked pursuit.</v>

00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 2>You have to invest the greater amount of time, the greater amount</v>

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 2>of resources</v>

00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 2>in those closer to you because God has put them there, and</v>

00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.640
<v Speaker 2>God has required of you that you do that, that is obvious</v>

00:47:40.640 --> 00:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>not just from scripture, but also from nature.</v>

00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:48.160
<v Speaker 2>This is This is one of those cases where the noble pagan</v>

00:47:49.120 --> 00:47:54.400
<v Speaker 2>is much more Christian than the modern so called Christian, who inverts</v>

00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:58.240
<v Speaker 2>that and pursues the good of the alien over family or over</v>

00:47:58.240 --> 00:48:04.800
<v Speaker 2>nation? There are very real demands here, there's a very real hierarchy,</v>

00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and you do not just get to pick and choose whichever one</v>

00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.240
<v Speaker 2>you want, because it is Because it is a hierarchy.</v>

00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 2>You are to fulfill and you are to pursue those things that</v>

00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:18.000
<v Speaker 2>are higher, that have a greater demand, that carry a greater moral</v>

00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:23.920
<v Speaker 2>weight, above and before those that are lower down the list.</v>

00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 2>The world doesn't want you to do that because the world, the</v>

00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:33.120
<v Speaker 2>flesh, and the devil seek to subvert and destroy.</v>

00:48:33.120 --> 00:48:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Because if you love everyone equally, you no longer love your family,</v>

00:48:37.680 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and if you can destroy the family, you are destroying that fundamental</v>

00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>unit of everything.</v>

00:48:44.080 --> 00:48:48.640
<v Speaker 2>That is the beginning of society, it is the beginning of civilization,</v>

00:48:48.640 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 2>it is of fundamental importance, and we will go over that in</v>

00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the next episode which will cover more in depth familial love.</v>

00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:01.040
<v Speaker 2>But if that can be subverted, then Satan is one because he</v>

00:49:01.040 --> 00:49:02.640
<v Speaker 2>can subvert everything.</v>

00:49:02.640 --> 00:49:06.800
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't realize that these are concentric circles, that they</v>

00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>emanate outward from the family unit, if you say, Well, I don't</v>

00:49:10.640 --> 00:49:15.520
<v Speaker 2>have to preference my nation because my nation isn't my family, your</v>

00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.560
<v Speaker 2>nation is your family If you manage to subvert any point of</v>

00:49:20.560 --> 00:49:23.680
<v Speaker 2>this, you will eventually subvert the totality.</v>

00:49:23.680 --> 00:49:26.560
<v Speaker 2>And so when Satan says no, you have to love the stranger</v>

00:49:26.560 --> 00:49:31.040
<v Speaker 2>over your fellow citizen, over the fellow member of your nation.</v>

00:49:31.040 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>What he's telling you is that he wants to subvert your family,</v>

00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and he will eventually get there.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And today we have many who think that they do not owe</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a greater duty to those who are of the same blood than</v>

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<v Speaker 2>those who are of alien blood.</v>

00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Because we've been told that's wicked, we've been told that's evil, and</v>

00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:55.360
<v Speaker 2>yet Scripture and nature both testify that you owe a higher duty</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to those who are closer to you.</v>

00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.240
<v Speaker 2>And so if you think that you are pursuing charity by aiding</v>

00:50:02.240 --> 00:50:07.520
<v Speaker 2>those who are entirely distant from you, entirely unknown.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier I said that charity has sort of an arm's length aspect</v>

00:50:12.240 --> 00:50:17.120
<v Speaker 2>to it that agape does not, because agape has that very real,</v>

00:50:17.120 --> 00:50:21.680
<v Speaker 2>very tangible relationship that is a necessary part of it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But charity does have a relationship as well.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is not as close, but it's not no relationship.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You have no relationship with someone who is five thousand miles away,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a person you will never meet, a person you do not know,</v>

00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a person with whom you have no connection whatsoever.</v>

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.240
<v Speaker 2>It is not charity to send your money to that person who</v>

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<v Speaker 2>may very well not exist in many cases, because we aren't even</v>

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<v Speaker 2>really touching on the aspects of corruption in this.</v>

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:54.640
<v Speaker 2>But if you are sending your money to that person, in this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>day and age, most certainly you are doing you are doing it</v>

00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.040
<v Speaker 2>at the expense of those who are closer.</v>

00:50:59.040 --> 00:51:01.120
<v Speaker 2>And what you're doing is not charity.</v>

00:51:01.120 --> 00:51:04.640
<v Speaker 2>It is disorder to the point of being sin.</v>

00:51:04.640 --> 00:51:09.440
<v Speaker 2>And so philanthropy in the US context that is aiding those in</v>

00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Africa or Israel so called that's not charity.</v>

00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.640
<v Speaker 2>That's wickedness, that is sin.</v>

00:51:16.640 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 2>You should not be doing that.</v>

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:24.560
<v Speaker 2>We went over in a previous episode how not Christian, even Christians</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States are.</v>

00:51:27.680 --> 00:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>And yet the world tells you to expend your effort and your</v>

00:51:31.600 --> 00:51:36.640
<v Speaker 2>resources in helping those supposedly who are thousands of miles away.</v>

00:51:36.640 --> 00:51:38.560
<v Speaker 2>But what are you actually doing?</v>

00:51:38.720 --> 00:51:41.040
<v Speaker 2>You're hating your neighbor.</v>

00:51:41.040 --> 00:51:44.720
<v Speaker 2>And that is the fundamental point here.</v>

00:51:44.720 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 2>If you are pursuing a love that harms those who are closer</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to you.</v>

00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:55.120
<v Speaker 2>What you are actually doing is hating those who are closer to</v>

00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 2>you. You are exhibiting hatred, not the love that you think you</v>

00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:00.720
<v Speaker 2>are pursuing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The example of the hierarchy that Corey gave earlier is also a</v>

00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 3>really good example of how the same word can be used in</v>

00:52:10.240 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 3>different contexts to mean either subtly or substantially different things.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>He mentioned duty, then love, then preference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that is correct.</v>

00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:25.200
<v Speaker 3>And to think of preference in terms of I prefer chocolate to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>broccoli, yeah, absolutely.</v>

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.960
<v Speaker 3>That sort of preference, even if it's in some flavor of love,</v>

00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 3>is at the bottom.</v>

00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:36.080
<v Speaker 3>When I was speaking of agape in the sense of to prefer,</v>

00:52:36.080 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 3>it was actually much closer to the duty of you have a</v>

00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.440
<v Speaker 3>duty to prefer your children over someone else's children.</v>

00:52:44.160 --> 00:52:47.920
<v Speaker 3>It's preference not in the oh it's what I feel like.</v>

00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:50.080
<v Speaker 3>It's preference in the you have a duty to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have an option and it's perverted and it's wicked for</v>

00:52:53.680 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 3>someone who has a duty to prefer their own to instead be</v>

00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.160
<v Speaker 3>indifferent or to despise them.</v>

00:53:00.160 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 3>So that just to clarify, that's exclusively the sense of preference that</v>

00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.720
<v Speaker 3>I meant in that context.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>An interesting thing about agape that actually appears in the Song of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Solomon, which is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting book that we'll probably talk about a little bit in</v>

00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:22.320
<v Speaker 3>the third episode where we discuss marriage because that book is typological</v>

00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.800
<v Speaker 3>of of marriage, of the nature of Christ's relationship to his bride,</v>

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:27.520
<v Speaker 3>the church.</v>

00:53:27.520 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 3>And there's a lot that's going on there in that particular type</v>

00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 3>of love that humans don't fully understand.</v>

00:53:33.680 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of a dangerous one.</v>

00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 3>And that's another part of the reason we're kind of sequestering that,</v>

00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:41.360
<v Speaker 3>because it's very easy to get very weird with that subject very</v>

00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 3>quickly. And a lot of times that's a hallmark of someone that's</v>

00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:51.680
<v Speaker 3>doing completely screwy wicked anti-theology is they will take something and suddenly</v>

00:53:51.680 --> 00:53:56.240
<v Speaker 3>turn it into this weird cult that's doing strange non-marriage stuff.</v>

00:53:56.240 --> 00:53:58.640
<v Speaker 3>Won't get into more details now.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And yet, what we find in the Septuagint is that the word</v>

00:54:03.120 --> 00:54:08.560
<v Speaker 3>agape is used multiple times in the Song of Solomon to describe</v>

00:54:08.560 --> 00:54:12.560
<v Speaker 3>that relationship that the man and his beloved have.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that I want to point out, especially for those of</v>

00:54:15.520 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 3>you who are still on the King James train, one thing to</v>

00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.200
<v Speaker 3>be aware of and one thing that's important when we're discussing these</v>

00:54:23.200 --> 00:54:28.160
<v Speaker 3>subjects, we're talking about specific words and definitions and translations.</v>

00:54:28.160 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 3>You should be aware that something we've said before, if you want</v>

00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 3>good advice on what Bible to get or what translation or what</v>

00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:38.880
<v Speaker 3>type of Bible, the second listener mail episode we did, the first</v>

00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 3>hour we devoted that.</v>

00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.080
<v Speaker 3>And we explained why the King James was a beautiful</v>

00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 3>time capsule of the beginnings of the modern English language, really kind</v>

00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.240
<v Speaker 3>of an archaic version even then, but it is archaic.</v>

00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:59.120
<v Speaker 3>And I highlight it here because when you look at numerous places</v>

00:54:59.120 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 3>in the New Testament, the King James will translate agape as charity,</v>

00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:08.160
<v Speaker 3>which which if they were trying to make a particular point might</v>

00:55:08.160 --> 00:55:08.960
<v Speaker 3>be okay.</v>

00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.200
<v Speaker 3>And in fact charity four hundred years ago did actually mean something</v>

00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:16.480
<v Speaker 3>much closer to agape than it does today.</v>

00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:22.320
<v Speaker 3>So, you know, even the Webster 1828 dictionary definition of charity isn't</v>

00:55:22.240 --> 00:55:23.680
<v Speaker 3>the one that we're using today.</v>

00:55:23.680 --> 00:55:24.560
<v Speaker 3>And that's fine.</v>

00:55:24.560 --> 00:55:28.960
<v Speaker 3>And I'm acknowledging it because the scope and the nature of words</v>

00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.640
<v Speaker 3>change. Sometimes that's okay.</v>

00:55:30.640 --> 00:55:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it's not subversion.</v>

00:55:32.160 --> 00:55:34.720
<v Speaker 3>It's just that we're using different words now.</v>

00:55:34.720 --> 00:55:36.480
<v Speaker 3>They haven't lost the sense.</v>

00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 3>But what it means is that when you look at the King</v>

00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:42.240
<v Speaker 3>James, you're going to find that in some places almost a random.</v>

00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:47.200
<v Speaker 3>They have used agape as charity when it doesn't mean the same</v>

00:55:47.200 --> 00:55:48.720
<v Speaker 3>thing as we're talking about today.</v>

00:55:48.720 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 3>So if you were to look at your King James Bible, you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>would find passages in I think Corinthians and Timothy, both of them</v>

00:55:55.600 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Using the term charity, it doesn't mean it in the sense that</v>

00:55:58.480 --> 00:55:59.360
<v Speaker 3>we're meaning today.</v>

00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:01.920
<v Speaker 3>But if you're to look at the Greek that they were using,</v>

00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.960
<v Speaker 3>they actually translated agape that way.</v>

00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, it'd be one thing if they were consistent, but</v>

00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:08.080
<v Speaker 3>they weren't.</v>

00:56:08.080 --> 00:56:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, charaton, as Corey said, is Latin.</v>

00:56:12.080 --> 00:56:15.520
<v Speaker 3>I looked it up earlier and apparently the King James Translators didn't</v>

00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>even follow the Vulgate, which was Latin to make those decisions about</v>

00:56:21.520 --> 00:56:23.600
<v Speaker 3>using charity, so just kind of a random.</v>

00:56:23.600 --> 00:56:26.640
<v Speaker 3>So it's just another case where it's fine to read whatever Bible</v>

00:56:26.640 --> 00:56:29.200
<v Speaker 3>you have, although it shouldn't be King James.</v>

00:56:29.200 --> 00:56:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Just know that when you're drilling down in specific words, translation choices</v>

00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 3>matter. The example I gave a minute ago about preference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Preference can mean two very different things.</v>

00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 3>I prefer chocolate.</v>

00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.160
<v Speaker 3>I prefer my parents.</v>

00:56:44.160 --> 00:56:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Totally different senses.</v>

00:56:46.080 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't get to not prefer my parents.</v>

00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.520
<v Speaker 3>I can prefer whatever food I want.</v>

00:56:51.520 --> 00:56:54.320
<v Speaker 3>So prefer means fundamentally different things.</v>

00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Even though it's exactly the same word, same context, but the object</v>

00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.880
<v Speaker 3>is different, so the nature changes.</v>

00:57:01.040 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 3>So just don't pigeonhole with whatever your translation of choice is.</v>

00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.200
<v Speaker 3>It's fine to use one most of the time.</v>

00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Just be aware that you know love in these episodes, slavery, in</v>

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.840
<v Speaker 3>the episode we done that, we mentioned there are three different words</v>

00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:17.120
<v Speaker 3>that are used in the Bible.</v>

00:57:17.120 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, bondservant, slave.</v>

00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 3>They're different contexts and connotations.</v>

00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes they're communicating something clearly, and sometimes it just gets confusing.</v>

00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.640
<v Speaker 3>So if you're doing your own Bible study and you're drilling down</v>

00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 3>and you get to one of these words and you're curious, go</v>

00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.040
<v Speaker 3>back and look at the original Greek to see what it said.</v>

00:57:35.040 --> 00:57:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Because that will give you an a sense of what the translators</v>

00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.840
<v Speaker 3>were shading in as they made their choices.</v>

00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying the King James is wrong when it says charity.</v>

00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a little inconsistent which is frustrating, but that's absolutely what the</v>

00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:50.640
<v Speaker 3>word meant when they translated it.</v>

00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:52.160
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not saying it's wrong.</v>

00:57:52.160 --> 00:57:55.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm just highlighting it's different than the sense in which we are</v>

00:57:55.120 --> 00:57:56.080
<v Speaker 3>using it.</v>

00:57:56.080 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 3>The sense of charity that we're talking about is for example, you</v>

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.240
<v Speaker 3>know, the challenge coins, which by the way we don't have any</v>

00:58:02.240 --> 00:58:03.040
<v Speaker 3>update at.</v>

00:58:03.040 --> 00:58:04.800
<v Speaker 3>It's they're being manufactured.</v>

00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 3>That is That is effectively charity.</v>

00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:07.840
<v Speaker 3>It's charity with a kicker.</v>

00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 3>You're supporting us by buying something, by giving us effectively a donation.</v>

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.440
<v Speaker 3>We give you a chotchki back, something a neat thing back.</v>

00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Forgive me for the Yiddish.</v>

00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:20.640
<v Speaker 3>And try to get that crap out of my my language.</v>

00:58:20.640 --> 00:58:21.840
<v Speaker 3>That's charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You have no obligation.</v>

00:58:23.600 --> 00:58:26.400
<v Speaker 3>No one has any obligation to give us anything.</v>

00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:30.400
<v Speaker 3>And we'll be the first to tell you, don't give us anything</v>

00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.280
<v Speaker 3>if it means that you know your kids aren't getting something, your</v>

00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:35.120
<v Speaker 3>family's not getting something.</v>

00:58:35.120 --> 00:58:38.080
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, we are much closer than someone who's</v>

00:58:38.080 --> 00:58:40.960
<v Speaker 3>a complete stranger just because you listen to our voices for hours</v>

00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:42.720
<v Speaker 3>a week, which no obligation.</v>

00:58:43.120 --> 00:58:45.920
<v Speaker 3>There's not in the remotest sense saying that.</v>

00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Just that</v>

00:58:47.600 --> 00:58:52.560
<v Speaker 3>the connection of charity doesn't have to be absolutely immediate.</v>

00:58:52.560 --> 00:58:55.200
<v Speaker 3>It just can't be completely random.</v>

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:56.560
<v Speaker 3>And so there's there's a hierarchy.</v>

00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.200
<v Speaker 3>You have to choose to whom am I going to give my</v>

00:58:59.200 --> 00:59:00.960
<v Speaker 3>limited resources?</v>

00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Is it going to be used for something good?</v>

00:59:03.040 --> 00:59:05.280
<v Speaker 3>As Corey gave the example again.</v>

00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.640
<v Speaker 3>You don't give a brother who's a drug addict money.</v>

00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:10.400
<v Speaker 3>You know it might kill him.</v>

00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:11.760
<v Speaker 3>That's not love.</v>

00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.360
<v Speaker 3>That's the fact that the thing could be used for good goes</v>

00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.000
<v Speaker 3>out the window when you know there's a very high likelihood it's</v>

00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:19.680
<v Speaker 3>going to be used for evil.</v>

00:59:19.680 --> 00:59:23.840
<v Speaker 3>So the closest object of your charity may not be the right</v>

00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.160
<v Speaker 3>one because, as Corey said, it may not be charity at all,</v>

00:59:26.160 --> 00:59:28.000
<v Speaker 3>even though it looks and smells like it.</v>

00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.120
<v Speaker 3>The fact that we have charitable foundations and all these other things,</v>

00:59:31.120 --> 00:59:33.120
<v Speaker 3>most of them are just complete griffs.</v>

00:59:33.120 --> 00:59:37.120
<v Speaker 3>When you drill down into the way their finances work, it's just</v>

00:59:37.200 --> 00:59:37.920
<v Speaker 3>it's rubbish.</v>

00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, sixty percent of the funding goes to pay salaries for</v>

00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.600
<v Speaker 3>people who spend all their time flying around telling people how generous</v>

00:59:45.600 --> 00:59:48.000
<v Speaker 3>they are to people you'll never see or meet.</v>

00:59:48.720 --> 00:59:51.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a racket in a lot of cases.</v>

00:59:51.200 --> 00:59:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Some of them do good work.</v>

00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:57.520
<v Speaker 3>But even then, the question becomes where's the good work being done</v>

00:59:57.520 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 3>versus where it could be done?</v>

00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:00.640
<v Speaker 3>This happened last year.</v>

01:00:00.640 --> 01:00:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I think it was last year.</v>

01:00:01.520 --> 01:00:05.040
<v Speaker 3>I think it was twenty twenty three, when that train exploded in</v>

01:00:05.040 --> 01:00:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Ohio and that entire town was effectively poisoned.</v>

01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 3>And the LCMS refused any charity to those people.</v>

01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:16.960
<v Speaker 3>They weren't refusing charity to people thousands of miles away in South</v>

01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:18.400
<v Speaker 3>America and Africa.</v>

01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:21.680
<v Speaker 3>But when people reached out and said, Hey, all these people in</v>

01:00:21.680 --> 01:00:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Ohio need fresh water, they need bottled water.</v>

01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:26.240
<v Speaker 3>Can we help them?</v>

01:00:26.240 --> 01:00:29.120
<v Speaker 3>The response from our church was we don't have anybody on the</v>

01:00:29.120 --> 01:00:30.960
<v Speaker 3>ground. There nothing we can do.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That is despising neighbor and brother.</v>

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Speaker 3>That is a demonstration that there is no charity going on at</v>

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<v Speaker 3>all. There's only theft and grift.</v>

01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Because they're taking people's money and what they're doing is they're shipping</v>

01:00:43.600 --> 01:00:46.240
<v Speaker 3>it as far away as they can get it, but they won't</v>

01:00:46.160 --> 01:00:49.200
<v Speaker 3>help their own brothers in need.</v>

01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Why? Because it violates Satan's rules.</v>

01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:57.520
<v Speaker 3>We don't help those whom we have an obligation to prefer.</v>

01:00:57.520 --> 01:01:01.600
<v Speaker 3>You should prefer someone who lives in Ohio over someone who lives</v>

01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:02.720
<v Speaker 3>in Peru.</v>

01:01:02.720 --> 01:01:03.600
<v Speaker 3>You should.</v>

01:01:03.600 --> 01:01:06.400
<v Speaker 3>As an American, you have a moral obligation to prefer</v>

01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:08.960
<v Speaker 3>one over the other.</v>

01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Is that completely exclusive?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>No. You may have so much that it's possible for you to</v>

01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:14.800
<v Speaker 3>do whatever.</v>

01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:16.640
<v Speaker 3>And as Corey said, it's a matter of wisdom.</v>

01:01:16.640 --> 01:01:19.600
<v Speaker 3>It's not that there's a rule book that says here's where the</v>

01:01:19.600 --> 01:01:20.880
<v Speaker 3>bright line is.</v>

01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:24.560
<v Speaker 3>But the simple fact is that people have scarce resources.</v>

01:01:24.560 --> 01:01:28.240
<v Speaker 3>You shouldn't donate to a podcast before you donate to your church.</v>

01:01:28.240 --> 01:01:34.400
<v Speaker 3>You shouldn't donate to foreigners before everyone in your country is Christian.</v>

01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Somebody mentioned on Telegram a couple days ago that a lot of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the Christian missions go to Uganda and mention that it's 84% Christian.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Like, huh?</v>

01:01:45.040 --> 01:01:48.720
<v Speaker 3>And I had previously looked up the stats in Ohio because I</v>

01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:53.200
<v Speaker 3>mentioned that there are scumbag false pastors in the LCMS who brag</v>

01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 3>about the so-called missionary work that they're doing to Ethiopians in Columbus,</v>

01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Ohio. Ethiopia is more Christian than Ohio.</v>

01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Uganda is more Christian than Ohio.</v>

01:02:04.720 --> 01:02:08.160
<v Speaker 3>So if you want to give money for missions to people you</v>

01:02:08.160 --> 01:02:12.960
<v Speaker 3>want to share the gospel, not only is it a violation of</v>

01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:16.480
<v Speaker 3>the tenets of charity to send it overseas, but it's also a</v>

01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:20.240
<v Speaker 3>violation of the gospel because our neighbors, as we said in the</v>

01:02:20.240 --> 01:02:22.880
<v Speaker 3>episode that we recently did on the state of the churches, even</v>

01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the people inside the churches need to hear the gospel.</v>

01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Even the people inside the churches for the most part are not</v>

01:02:28.240 --> 01:02:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Christian. You want to talk about a mission field?</v>

01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.840
<v Speaker 3>How about all these people who say they're Christian, who say that</v>

01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:36.160
<v Speaker 3>they believe at least some of the Bible, but they don't know</v>

01:02:36.160 --> 01:02:36.800
<v Speaker 3>what's in there?</v>

01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:38.880
<v Speaker 3>How about we start with them?</v>

01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:40.880
<v Speaker 3>No one's talking about that.</v>

01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.240
<v Speaker 3>And yet you want to go someplace where everybody's already Christian far</v>

01:02:44.240 --> 01:02:47.600
<v Speaker 3>more than your own lands, and spend the money there and say</v>

01:02:47.600 --> 01:02:49.200
<v Speaker 3>you're doing good works?</v>

01:02:49.200 --> 01:02:50.800
<v Speaker 3>That's stating a preference.</v>

01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.720
<v Speaker 3>It's stating a wicked preference.</v>

01:02:52.720 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 3>It's preferring the alien and it's preferring the grift machine over something</v>

01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:02.080
<v Speaker 3>that would actually serve neighbor and community and family.</v>

01:03:02.080 --> 01:03:04.400
<v Speaker 3>We're obligated to have a preference.</v>

01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a duty sense.</v>

01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not the chocolate and broccoli sense.</v>

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Another relatively recent example of that wicked inversion</v>

01:03:15.600 --> 01:03:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of a lack of charity for neighbor in pursuit of supposed charity</v>

01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:26.240
<v Speaker 2>for aliens comes from Doug Wilson, we mentioned him in a previous</v>

01:03:26.240 --> 01:03:29.120
<v Speaker 2>episode for related reasons.</v>

01:03:29.120 --> 01:03:34.480
<v Speaker 2>But he said that he would feel a greater connection, have more</v>

01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:39.120
<v Speaker 2>investment in an attack on Israel, so called, than he would on</v>

01:03:39.120 --> 01:03:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Vermont. I've never been to Vermont.</v>

01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I've not visited Vermont.</v>

01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't currently have any plans to go to Vermont.</v>

01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.600
<v Speaker 2>And yet an attack on Vermont would be an attack on me</v>

01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.840
<v Speaker 2>in a way that an attack on attack on virtually any other</v>

01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.400
<v Speaker 2>country would not be.</v>

01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Because again, the distance matters.</v>

01:04:03.120 --> 01:04:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And so if someone attacks Uganda, that's not the same as attacking</v>

01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky, the state right next door.</v>

01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Because we owe that higher duty to neighbor, and when someone says</v>

01:04:16.720 --> 01:04:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that he owes a higher duty, he has a greater preference for</v>

01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the distant alien.</v>

01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.560
<v Speaker 2>You should believe him, and you should believe the fullness of what</v>

01:04:26.560 --> 01:04:31.040
<v Speaker 2>he's saying, because he's saying he is not Christian.</v>

01:04:31.040 --> 01:04:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Because Christians are supposed to have rightly ordered loves, and loving the</v>

01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:42.720
<v Speaker 2>far distant alien at the expense of neighbor is not love.</v>

01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 2>It is again hatred, it is sinful</v>

01:04:47.120 --> 01:04:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And we see that in so many of our church and other</v>

01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.360
<v Speaker 2>organizations these days.</v>

01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:58.560
<v Speaker 2>They supposedly pursue charity, and it's all going out of the country</v>

01:04:58.560 --> 01:05:03.360
<v Speaker 2>to the distant, virtually unknown alien.</v>

01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:07.840
<v Speaker 2>And they do that at the expense of neighbor, even when there</v>

01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:13.120
<v Speaker 2>is immediate and ample opportunity to aid neighbor.</v>

01:05:13.120 --> 01:05:18.160
<v Speaker 2>And aiding neighbor is not just a matter of preaching the gospel</v>

01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:20.080
<v Speaker 2>to your neighbor.</v>

01:05:20.080 --> 01:05:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Of course that's something that we should do.</v>

01:05:23.120 --> 01:05:28.400
<v Speaker 2>But scripture also speaks of providing material aid to your neighbor.</v>

01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:32.480
<v Speaker 2>This comes up many times in Scripture.</v>

01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:37.120
<v Speaker 2>God cares deeply for the poor, and we should be as a</v>

01:05:37.120 --> 01:05:42.560
<v Speaker 2>church, as individual Christians, as Christian organizations, we should be aiding the</v>

01:05:42.560 --> 01:05:44.560
<v Speaker 2>poor in our communities.</v>

01:05:44.560 --> 01:05:48.160
<v Speaker 2>We shouldn't just be preaching to them.</v>

01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:49.680
<v Speaker 2>That may be part of it.</v>

01:05:49.680 --> 01:05:51.360
<v Speaker 2>That's important.</v>

01:05:51.680 --> 01:05:55.120
<v Speaker 2>But if you are preaching the gospel to someone who is starving,</v>

01:05:55.120 --> 01:05:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you're doing something wicked.</v>

01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Feed him first.</v>

01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:03.280
<v Speaker 2>You have to meet some of the material needs of your poor</v>

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:07.040
<v Speaker 2>neighbor before before you're going to get anywhere preaching the gospel.</v>

01:06:07.040 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 2>In fact, if you preach the gospel first you are going to</v>

01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.040
<v Speaker 2>undermine the word of God.</v>

01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:17.040
<v Speaker 2>You are going to harm your witness if you are not aiding</v>

01:06:17.040 --> 01:06:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that man first.</v>

01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:24.160
<v Speaker 2>That's just the reality of being a creature, of having these physical</v>

01:06:24.160 --> 01:06:27.840
<v Speaker 2>needs. If a man is freezing to death, he doesn't want to</v>

01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:29.680
<v Speaker 2>discuss philosophy.</v>

01:06:29.680 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 2>He needs a coat.</v>

01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Clothe him first.</v>

01:06:34.720 --> 01:06:37.920
<v Speaker 2>And we do see that many places in Scripture.</v>

01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Of course there are the verses that deal with the poor.</v>

01:06:41.120 --> 01:06:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Those are all throughout Scripture, and these just directly address the issue</v>

01:06:47.120 --> 01:06:48.880
<v Speaker 2>of charity.</v>

01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:51.760
<v Speaker 2>And so some of the Psalms may come to mind Psalm forty</v>

01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.280
<v Speaker 2>one Blessed is the one who considers the poor, in the day</v>

01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 2>of trouble the Lord delivers him, the Lord protects him and keeps</v>

01:06:58.560 --> 01:07:02.000
<v Speaker 2>him alive, he is called blessed in the land.</v>

01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.640
<v Speaker 2>You do not give him up to the will of his enemies.</v>

01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:07.040
<v Speaker 2>The Lord sustains him on his sickbed.</v>

01:07:07.040 --> 01:07:10.640
<v Speaker 2>In his illness you restore him to full health.</v>

01:07:10.640 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Or from Proverbs, whoever is generous to the poor lends to the</v>

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.</v>

01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:26.720
<v Speaker 2>But do bear in mind these apply first and foremost to neighbor.</v>

01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to address a specific instance in scripture that will undoubtedly</v>

01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.880
<v Speaker 2>come up, because there will be those who look for a way</v>

01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:39.680
<v Speaker 2>to subvert the actual teaching of Scripture.</v>

01:07:39.680 --> 01:07:43.200
<v Speaker 2>When the collection for the poor of Jerusalem is taken up from</v>

01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:47.440
<v Speaker 2>various churches, it is important to remember the context.</v>

01:07:47.600 --> 01:07:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Not only the specific context of the fact that these are churches</v>

01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 2>planted by the apostle who is going back to them, or in</v>

01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 2>some cases perhaps planted by another apostle, and then Paul is coming</v>

01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:04.880
<v Speaker 2>to make the collection or whichever apostle is doing it in a</v>

01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:06.480
<v Speaker 2>given case.</v>

01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:11.680
<v Speaker 2>But these are churches that were planted by the apostles, sending back</v>

01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:16.640
<v Speaker 2>money via the apostles in order to aid another church.</v>

01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:22.000
<v Speaker 2>And not only that, but geographically speaking, these churches are nearby.</v>

01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:27.440
<v Speaker 2>This is nothing like an American church sending money to Africa.</v>

01:08:27.440 --> 01:08:29.920
<v Speaker 2>That is thousands of miles away.</v>

01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Here we're dealing with hundreds of miles, and in some cases it</v>

01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.400
<v Speaker 2>may very well be the next large city over, effectively.</v>

01:08:38.400 --> 01:08:41.360
<v Speaker 2>This is also right along trade routes.</v>

01:08:41.360 --> 01:08:46.240
<v Speaker 2>We were discussing before we started recording, Paul was not chartering a</v>

01:08:46.240 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 2>ship in order to visit these churches and then take back aid</v>

01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to Jerusalem.</v>

01:08:53.200 --> 01:08:57.200
<v Speaker 2>He just hopped on the ship in port that was available and</v>

01:08:57.200 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 2>going in that direction.</v>

01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Because this was part of the Roman Empire, all of these cities</v>

01:09:03.040 --> 01:09:06.640
<v Speaker 2>were trading, they were related, they had connections with one another, they</v>

01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.440
<v Speaker 2>were pre existing relationships.</v>

01:09:09.440 --> 01:09:12.880
<v Speaker 2>This is not at all like what we see today with international</v>

01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:19.280
<v Speaker 2>charities. The advent of modern technology and particularly modern banking, which is</v>

01:09:19.200 --> 01:09:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Which is another topic for another time.</v>

01:09:22.480 --> 01:09:26.160
<v Speaker 2>But it makes it seem like everyone is next door.</v>

01:09:26.160 --> 01:09:27.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's just not the case.</v>

01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Just because I could send five dollars to someone in Uganda with</v>

01:09:31.360 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 2>a couple of clicks or taps on my phone now Doesn't make</v>

01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:37.280
<v Speaker 2>him my neighbor.</v>

01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Because as we went over in previous episodes, neighbor fundamentally means the</v>

01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:45.600
<v Speaker 2>person who is nearby.</v>

01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Charity should flow first to the neighbor</v>

01:09:49.120 --> 01:09:51.520
<v Speaker 2>that is part of this, so it is the poor in your</v>

01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:54.880
<v Speaker 2>own community you should help.</v>

01:09:54.880 --> 01:10:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Not some far distant, supposed poor person via some faceless international</v>

01:10:02.320 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 2>charity that takes in untold sums of money and is basically being</v>

01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:11.680
<v Speaker 2>run more as a business to enrich the board and others than</v>

01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:13.440
<v Speaker 2>as a charity.</v>

01:10:13.440 --> 01:10:14.800
<v Speaker 2>That may be easy.</v>

01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:16.000
<v Speaker 2>That may be very easy.</v>

01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Writing a cheque takes very little effort.</v>

01:10:19.120 --> 01:10:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Now again, as mentioned in a previous episode, it may very well</v>

01:10:23.120 --> 01:10:25.440
<v Speaker 2>have taken a great deal of effort to make the money that</v>

01:10:25.440 --> 01:10:29.360
<v Speaker 2>is represented by and transferred by that check.</v>

01:10:29.360 --> 01:10:33.360
<v Speaker 2>But charity needs to be something that is more involved.</v>

01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:37.680
<v Speaker 2>There has to be not the same sort of relationship again as</v>

01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:42.240
<v Speaker 2>with agape, but something.</v>

01:10:42.240 --> 01:10:45.760
<v Speaker 2>If you give money to someone who is in your community, there</v>

01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:48.640
<v Speaker 2>is a relationship to a certain degree because it is a fellow</v>

01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:50.160
<v Speaker 2>member of your community.</v>

01:10:50.240 --> 01:10:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Even if the person is just a fellow member of your nation,</v>

01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:58.480
<v Speaker 2>there is still that arm's length relationship because you are of the</v>

01:10:58.480 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 2>same blood.</v>

01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.160
<v Speaker 2>You are part of the same nation.</v>

01:11:02.160 --> 01:11:06.640
<v Speaker 2>And again, charity should flow to those closest to you first.</v>

01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.640
<v Speaker 2>It can flow to the far distant alien once things have been</v>

01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 2>put in order in your own house.</v>

01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.520
<v Speaker 2>In this case to mean the expansive version of your own house,</v>

01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:19.360
<v Speaker 2>your nation.</v>

01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:22.080
<v Speaker 2>But to look at scripture a little bit more with regard to</v>

01:11:22.080 --> 01:11:25.600
<v Speaker 2>some of the contours of charity, we see</v>

01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:29.360
<v Speaker 2>an aspect of reciprocity.</v>

01:11:29.360 --> 01:11:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Because charity is not a matter of impoverishing yourself or your family,</v>

01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:34.880
<v Speaker 2>your nation.</v>

01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not a matter of doing these things at the expense of</v>

01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:39.840
<v Speaker 2>your own to aid the other.</v>

01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 2>And so from Second Corinthians, for I do not mean that others</v>

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.880
<v Speaker 2>should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of</v>

01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:51.920
<v Speaker 2>fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so</v>

01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.320
<v Speaker 2>that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness,</v>

01:11:56.320 --> 01:12:00.400
<v Speaker 2>as it is written, Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and</v>

01:12:00.400 --> 01:12:03.600
<v Speaker 2>whoever gathered little had no lack.</v>

01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.840
<v Speaker 2>And so as you can see there is this aspect of reciprocity.</v>

01:12:08.240 --> 01:12:13.280
<v Speaker 2>an expectation that those who have abundant resources will use them to</v>

01:12:13.280 --> 01:12:17.280
<v Speaker 2>aid the poor, And that if later fortunes happen to shift if</v>

01:12:17.280 --> 01:12:22.400
<v Speaker 2>they invert, the former poor now wealthy will help the former wealthy</v>

01:12:22.400 --> 01:12:24.960
<v Speaker 2>now poor.</v>

01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:26.880
<v Speaker 2>That is part of this.</v>

01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.840
<v Speaker 2>God gives out resources unequally.</v>

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:33.520
<v Speaker 2>If he has given you a great deal of resources, then you</v>

01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:34.560
<v Speaker 2>aid the poor.</v>

01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:38.560
<v Speaker 2>He is given you the ability to engage in charity.</v>

01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:42.560
<v Speaker 2>If you do not have any money, if you have zero left</v>

01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.520
<v Speaker 2>over at the end of the month, God has not given you</v>

01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the resources to give charitably.</v>

01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Now again you may be able to give time or something like</v>

01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:57.520
<v Speaker 2>that, but God hasn't given you money in order to engage in</v>

01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.760
<v Speaker 2>charity. If God has given you great wealth, that is to aid</v>

01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.800
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor, that is to help others, that is the reason he</v>

01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 2>has entrusted those resources to your care.</v>

01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:13.440
<v Speaker 2>This does tie in to the previous episode that we did on</v>

01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:18.080
<v Speaker 2>tithing, because tithing fundamentally is linked to charity.</v>

01:13:18.080 --> 01:13:22.240
<v Speaker 2>In fact, tithing and charity many times are almost synonymous.</v>

01:13:22.240 --> 01:13:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's also the part of the tithe that goes to the</v>

01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:29.360
<v Speaker 2>pastor as his due, because you are not to muzzle the ox</v>

01:13:29.360 --> 01:13:32.560
<v Speaker 2>as it treads out the grain, you are to aid the one</v>

01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.000
<v Speaker 2>who makes his living from the gospel, to indeed make his living</v>

01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.080
<v Speaker 2>from the gospel.</v>

01:13:38.480 --> 01:13:42.960
<v Speaker 2>But from first Corinthians, now concerning the collection for the saints, as</v>

01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do,</v>

01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.520
<v Speaker 2>on the first day of every week, each of you is to</v>

01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:53.280
<v Speaker 2>put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so</v>

01:13:53.280 --> 01:13:56.400
<v Speaker 2>that there will be no collecting when I come, and when I</v>

01:13:56.400 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 2>arrive I will send those whom you accredit by letter to carry</v>

01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.360
<v Speaker 2>your gift to Jerusalem.</v>

01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:05.200
<v Speaker 2>If it seems advisable that I should go also, they will accompany</v>

01:14:05.200 --> 01:14:06.160
<v Speaker 2>me.</v>

01:14:07.200 --> 01:14:13.440
<v Speaker 2>We see here an additional setis doctrinae, an additional part of scripture</v>

01:14:13.440 --> 01:14:16.160
<v Speaker 2>that supports tithing.</v>

01:14:16.160 --> 01:14:20.080
<v Speaker 2>But this is also charity, because in this case it is going</v>

01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:24.560
<v Speaker 2>to the saints in Jerusalem who are suffering, who need that aid.</v>

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.720
<v Speaker 2>It is going to aid the poor.</v>

01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.600
<v Speaker 2>But again there is that pre existing relationship here.</v>

01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:35.200
<v Speaker 2>This is not something that is distant and unknown.</v>

01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:40.160
<v Speaker 2>We may risk repeating it almost ad nauseum, but it is vitally</v>

01:14:40.160 --> 01:14:45.040
<v Speaker 2>important to understand that when it comes to love, there is a</v>

01:14:45.040 --> 01:14:46.400
<v Speaker 2>relationship of some kind.</v>

01:14:46.400 --> 01:14:49.600
<v Speaker 2>It seems like it would practically go without saying, and yet it</v>

01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:51.440
<v Speaker 2>does need to be repeated.</v>

01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Because in the modern context, people want to believe that love is</v>

01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:59.280
<v Speaker 2>just some general emotional feeling, and we'll get more into the difference</v>

01:14:59.280 --> 01:15:01.520
<v Speaker 2>between intellectual and emotional.</v>

01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Not in this episode, but in a future episode.</v>

01:15:06.160 --> 01:15:11.360
<v Speaker 2>But love is based on some kind of relationship.</v>

01:15:11.360 --> 01:15:15.360
<v Speaker 2>If what you are doing is just flinging money out into the</v>

01:15:15.360 --> 01:15:19.920
<v Speaker 2>void and saying you're engaging in charity, you're not engaging in charity</v>

01:15:20.160 --> 01:15:22.880
<v Speaker 2>because you're not doing the thing.</v>

01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.800
<v Speaker 2>You don't have a proper whom that you are targeting, and you</v>

01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:30.720
<v Speaker 2>don't have the right nature or scope of the act itself, and</v>

01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:32.320
<v Speaker 2>so it's not love.</v>

01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:37.680
<v Speaker 2>You're not engaging in charity.</v>

01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:41.600
<v Speaker 2>You have to pay attention to the whom and the nature and</v>

01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the scope.</v>

01:15:42.400 --> 01:15:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Because obviously if you're the one acting, you're going to be the</v>

01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.040
<v Speaker 2>who. There's no analysis there.</v>

01:15:48.320 --> 01:15:52.400
<v Speaker 2>But the person to whom you are directing that love, in this</v>

01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:55.200
<v Speaker 2>case it may very well be charity or if it's agape or</v>

01:15:55.200 --> 01:15:58.800
<v Speaker 2>whatever else it is, the person to whom you're directing the love</v>

01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:02.240
<v Speaker 2>has to be an appropriate target for that love.</v>

01:16:02.240 --> 01:16:05.360
<v Speaker 2>And then the nature and scope has to be proper.</v>

01:16:05.360 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise it is not love, it is disordered.</v>

01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:12.080
<v Speaker 2>It may very well be sin.</v>

01:16:12.400 --> 01:16:16.320
<v Speaker 2>And so just because you can call a thing love doesn't mean</v>

01:16:16.320 --> 01:16:17.520
<v Speaker 2>that it is.</v>

01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:21.120
<v Speaker 2>As we've gone over a few times in this episode already, a</v>

01:16:21.120 --> 01:16:26.240
<v Speaker 2>single term may very well encompass a large array of meanings, or</v>

01:16:26.240 --> 01:16:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a spectrum of meanings, and that is most certainly the case with</v>

01:16:30.400 --> 01:16:34.080
<v Speaker 2>love, and most certainly the case with the way that the term</v>

01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:36.480
<v Speaker 2>love is abused in our society.</v>

01:16:36.480 --> 01:16:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Many things that are called love are in fact</v>

01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the inverse are in fact hatred.</v>

01:16:43.360 --> 01:16:48.640
<v Speaker 2>This will be obvious particularly again in the episode on Eros, but</v>

01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:54.400
<v Speaker 2>it is possible to call a thing love that is not love.</v>

01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:58.800
<v Speaker 2>It is necessary to apply wisdom, to look at the actual facts,</v>

01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:04.400
<v Speaker 2>to look at the circumstances, what is being done, by whom and</v>

01:17:04.400 --> 01:17:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to whom.</v>

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:09.120
<v Speaker 2>You have to apply wisdom to these matters.</v>

01:17:09.120 --> 01:17:12.400
<v Speaker 2>This is not particularly easy in many cases.</v>

01:17:12.400 --> 01:17:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Again, we cannot provide you a flow chart, an if this, then</v>

01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that. God has given you</v>

01:17:21.040 --> 01:17:27.840
<v Speaker 2>certain abilities, sufficient abilities, to run this assessment, to run these analyses</v>

01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.240
<v Speaker 2>yourself, and you have to do so.</v>

01:17:30.240 --> 01:17:31.760
<v Speaker 2>That is part of being a Christian.</v>

01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.880
<v Speaker 2>It's part of being a human being.</v>

01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Pagans did this as well.</v>

01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:39.360
<v Speaker 2>This is not something that is limited to Christians.</v>

01:17:39.360 --> 01:17:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Pagans also made the assessment of preferencing family over stranger, of preferencing</v>

01:17:45.120 --> 01:17:49.040
<v Speaker 2>national over unknown, over the alien.</v>

01:17:49.040 --> 01:17:51.440
<v Speaker 2>This is part of being a human being.</v>

01:17:51.440 --> 01:17:55.440
<v Speaker 2>This is something that is inscribed in the human heart, and it</v>

01:17:55.440 --> 01:18:00.080
<v Speaker 2>is only in this Only in recent decades, in the last half</v>

01:18:00.080 --> 01:18:05.440
<v Speaker 2>century or century, that this has been subverted so almost totally by</v>

01:18:05.440 --> 01:18:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Satan. To the point where you have many Christians who have convinced</v>

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:17.120
<v Speaker 2>themselves that they are engaging in agape by engaging in something that</v>

01:18:17.120 --> 01:18:22.080
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even qualify as charity.</v>

01:18:22.080 --> 01:18:26.400
<v Speaker 2>You cannot convince yourself that something that is</v>

01:18:27.360 --> 01:18:28.480
<v Speaker 2>inherently</v>

01:18:29.440 --> 01:18:35.280
<v Speaker 2>and extensively wicked is good just because you've applied a label for</v>

01:18:35.280 --> 01:18:39.200
<v Speaker 2>something that would be good if it were that actual thing.</v>

01:18:39.200 --> 01:18:43.200
<v Speaker 2>And so just because you call something charity doesn't mean that it</v>

01:18:43.200 --> 01:18:47.920
<v Speaker 2>is. Just because the world calls something love doesn't mean that it</v>

01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:52.320
<v Speaker 2>is. It is the nature of the thing that determines the thing.</v>

01:18:52.320 --> 01:18:55.200
<v Speaker 2>It is not the name that we apply to it.</v>

01:18:55.200 --> 01:18:59.280
<v Speaker 2>The reason we use the terms is because while you can communicate</v>

01:18:59.280 --> 01:19:02.720
<v Speaker 2>only using words, when you are doing a podcast at the very</v>

01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:07.440
<v Speaker 2>least. And we have to have some way to delineate these things,</v>

01:19:07.440 --> 01:19:11.680
<v Speaker 2>some way to identify the different facets of love.</v>

01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not because the term itself is the thing.</v>

01:19:16.080 --> 01:19:17.840
<v Speaker 2>The thing is a concept.</v>

01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:19.200
<v Speaker 2>The thing stands apart.</v>

01:19:19.200 --> 01:19:22.240
<v Speaker 2>The term is what we use to identify it.</v>

01:19:22.240 --> 01:19:26.160
<v Speaker 2>The world subverts those terms all the time, and so it is</v>

01:19:26.160 --> 01:19:32.000
<v Speaker 2>necessary to assess the actual thing, the acts themselves, the things that</v>

01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:36.720
<v Speaker 2>are being done, not just the words that are used.</v>

01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And this of course ties into the issue of works because all</v>

01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:44.480
<v Speaker 2>of this ties into the issue of works because this is living</v>

01:19:44.480 --> 01:19:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the Christian life, and so I want to read from James two.</v>

01:19:48.480 --> 01:19:52.320
<v Speaker 2>What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith</v>

01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:53.840
<v Speaker 2>but does not have works?</v>

01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Can that faith save him?</v>

01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.600
<v Speaker 2>If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily</v>

01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:03.040
<v Speaker 2>food, and one of you says to them, Go in peace, be</v>

01:20:03.040 --> 01:20:07.120
<v Speaker 2>warmed and filled, without giving them the things needed for the body,</v>

01:20:07.120 --> 01:20:08.400
<v Speaker 2>what good is that?</v>

01:20:08.400 --> 01:20:12.320
<v Speaker 2>So So also faith by itself, if it does not have works,</v>

01:20:12.320 --> 01:20:13.360
<v Speaker 2>is dead.</v>

01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:17.280
<v Speaker 2>But some one will say, You have faith, and I have works</v>

01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:20.800
<v Speaker 2>show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show</v>

01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:24.560
<v Speaker 2>you my faith by my works.</v>

01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:29.520
<v Speaker 2>This is one of those verses that is often abused, quite frankly,</v>

01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:34.320
<v Speaker 2>by many camps, but Rome in particular abuses this verse, but others</v>

01:20:34.320 --> 01:20:38.560
<v Speaker 2>as well do not get it entirely correct.</v>

01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>A living faith will produce works.</v>

01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:47.680
<v Speaker 2>In many cases, those works are going to take the form of</v>

01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:49.760
<v Speaker 2>some kind of love.</v>

01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:54.240
<v Speaker 2>In this particular instance, the example used is charity.</v>

01:20:54.240 --> 01:20:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Because if you just say you love a brother or a sister</v>

01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:02.320
<v Speaker 2>who is freezing or starving, and you do nothing to help him</v>

01:21:02.480 --> 01:21:04.880
<v Speaker 2>or her when you can.</v>

01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:06.560
<v Speaker 2>That isn't love.</v>

01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:09.120
<v Speaker 2>The same thing is true of faith.</v>

01:21:09.120 --> 01:21:13.360
<v Speaker 2>If you say that you have faith, and it produces no works,</v>

01:21:13.360 --> 01:21:16.880
<v Speaker 2>it is a dead faith, it is not a living faith, because</v>

01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a living faith produces good works.</v>

01:21:19.200 --> 01:21:22.640
<v Speaker 2>That is why the example of a tree is so often used.</v>

01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 2>A healthy living apple tree will produce apples.</v>

01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:33.440
<v Speaker 2>If it does not produce apples, something is wrong.</v>

01:21:33.440 --> 01:21:36.400
<v Speaker 2>There is something fundamentally wrong with a fruit tree that is not</v>

01:21:36.400 --> 01:21:38.000
<v Speaker 2>producing fruit.</v>

01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:41.840
<v Speaker 2>The same thing is true of faith, because if faith is alive,</v>

01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:45.280
<v Speaker 2>it will produce fruit.</v>

01:21:45.280 --> 01:21:49.440
<v Speaker 2>And many times that fruit is going to take the form of</v>

01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:55.600
<v Speaker 2>love. In this episode we are extensively discussing charity specifically, because that</v>

01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:58.720
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the form that that love takes in many</v>

01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:02.080
<v Speaker 2>cases. But it is also going to take the form of all</v>

01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:04.560
<v Speaker 2>of these other kinds of love.</v>

01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Because you are going to have that love for your children, for</v>

01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:10.240
<v Speaker 2>your spouse, for your parents.</v>

01:22:10.240 --> 01:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>You are going to have that sacrificial love for others whom God</v>

01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:18.560
<v Speaker 2>has placed into your life, if you are actually a Christian, if</v>

01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:19.520
<v Speaker 2>you have a living faith.</v>

01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:24.640
<v Speaker 2>And as we've mentioned a number of times, even a pagan is</v>

01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:28.960
<v Speaker 2>going to have that kind of love with regard to family.</v>

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.640
<v Speaker 2>So if you don't have that love for family, if you don't</v>

01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.160
<v Speaker 2>have that love for those who are placed closest to you, you</v>

01:22:36.160 --> 01:22:40.320
<v Speaker 2>are worse than a pagan, you are worse than an unbeliever.</v>

01:22:40.320 --> 01:22:44.880
<v Speaker 2>That is an abhorrent position in which to find a Christian, a</v>

01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:46.800
<v Speaker 2>supposed Christian.</v>

01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And yet we see that with many today, because there are many</v>

01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>who do not aid their brothers, who do not aid their sisters,</v>

01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:57.440
<v Speaker 2>who don't aid their parents, who don't aid those in their community,</v>

01:22:57.440 --> 01:23:00.720
<v Speaker 2>those in their nation, who in fact despise all of those to</v>

01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:04.400
<v Speaker 2>whom they owe the highest duties, in pursuit of the good of</v>

01:23:04.400 --> 01:23:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the alien, and then call themselves more righteous than others.</v>

01:23:09.440 --> 01:23:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Quite frankly, even the Pharisee was probably not that wicked.</v>

01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:17.360
<v Speaker 3>As we wind up this episode and as we go through this</v>

01:23:17.360 --> 01:23:23.920
<v Speaker 3>three-parter, it's crucial to keep in mind that love is downstream from</v>

01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:25.280
<v Speaker 3>God's nature.</v>

01:23:25.280 --> 01:23:28.560
<v Speaker 3>We have all these good things from God.</v>

01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:32.160
<v Speaker 3>We have these good things, these facets of love in our hearts,</v>

01:23:32.160 --> 01:23:36.640
<v Speaker 3>in our societies, in our families, because God put them there for</v>

01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.640
<v Speaker 3>us. And so today, and in the next couple episodes, we're going</v>

01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.600
<v Speaker 3>to give a bunch of obligations, a bunch of duties, and say</v>

01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:45.360
<v Speaker 3>we should be doing this.</v>

01:23:45.360 --> 01:23:49.360
<v Speaker 3>And that's true and it's important, but it's also, I think the</v>

01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:53.680
<v Speaker 3>most important thing to remember where it's coming from, because these are</v>

01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:54.800
<v Speaker 3>God's gifts.</v>

01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:59.360
<v Speaker 3>When you have agape love for someone, when you seek the good</v>

01:23:59.360 --> 01:24:03.520
<v Speaker 3>of another, even at your own expense, that is God doing good</v>

01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.280
<v Speaker 3>through your love for neighbor.</v>

01:24:07.280 --> 01:24:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Whatever preference you're expressing by treating someone in a way that's self-sacrificial,</v>

01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:16.800
<v Speaker 3>that's God making the world a better place and using you to</v>

01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:17.280
<v Speaker 3>do it.</v>

01:24:17.440 --> 01:24:21.760
<v Speaker 3>And the thing is, when we act in these waves, we benefit.</v>

01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:25.920
<v Speaker 3>God benefits even those who are giving and perhaps even suffering in</v>

01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:29.760
<v Speaker 3>their giving through the acts of love that we do for others.</v>

01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:31.520
<v Speaker 3>The same is true with charity.</v>

01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:34.960
<v Speaker 3>One of the most rewarding things that many people who actually do</v>

01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:39.360
<v Speaker 3>real, real-world first-person charity, where they go and work in a soup</v>

01:24:39.360 --> 01:24:42.560
<v Speaker 3>kitchen once a week or something, they get as much out of</v>

01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:46.320
<v Speaker 3>it as the people that they talk to because actually interacting with</v>

01:24:46.320 --> 01:24:49.760
<v Speaker 3>the other human beings who are of your neighbors, who live in</v>

01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:52.640
<v Speaker 3>the community that you live in, who have needs that are not</v>

01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:56.560
<v Speaker 3>being met until your group shows up and can actually meet them,</v>

01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:58.400
<v Speaker 3>everyone is rewarded by that.</v>

01:24:58.400 --> 01:25:01.200
<v Speaker 3>God is pouring out his blessings to everyone.</v>

01:25:01.200 --> 01:25:03.520
<v Speaker 3>And so we're talking about these things in terms of duty and</v>

01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:05.440
<v Speaker 3>sin and wickedness, and that's part of it.</v>

01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:06.000
<v Speaker 3>But that is</v>

01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.480
<v Speaker 3>when we fail, when the world tells us, no, don't do that.</v>

01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:13.360
<v Speaker 3>do the opposite of what God wants.</v>

01:25:13.360 --> 01:25:15.280
<v Speaker 3>That is when the wickedness comes in.</v>

01:25:15.280 --> 01:25:17.520
<v Speaker 3>That's when the duty has to be hammered.</v>

01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:21.520
<v Speaker 3>But obeying God because he reveals it isn't about, oh, I gotta</v>

01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:23.920
<v Speaker 3>earn a higher place in heaven, or man, I gotta obey God,</v>

01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:25.360
<v Speaker 3>or I'm a bad person.</v>

01:25:25.360 --> 01:25:26.720
<v Speaker 3>This is a good thing.</v>

01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:28.000
<v Speaker 3>These are blessings.</v>

01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:30.240
<v Speaker 3>These are God's blessings to others.</v>

01:25:30.240 --> 01:25:33.120
<v Speaker 3>And as Corey said, you may well be the recipient of these</v>

01:25:33.120 --> 01:25:35.200
<v Speaker 3>things. That's the other part of it.</v>

01:25:35.200 --> 01:25:38.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, I've mentioned before, for years when I was a kid</v>

01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:42.400
<v Speaker 3>and my dad was in seminary, we ate a lot of donated</v>

01:25:42.400 --> 01:25:44.160
<v Speaker 3>food. That was charity.</v>

01:25:44.160 --> 01:25:48.880
<v Speaker 3>That was complete strangers feeding my dad's family because we didn't have</v>

01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:49.680
<v Speaker 3>the money.</v>

01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:51.360
<v Speaker 3>We really needed that.</v>

01:25:51.440 --> 01:25:55.600
<v Speaker 3>We had a roof over our head, like we were okay materially,</v>

01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.120
<v Speaker 3>but most of our calories came from charity.</v>

01:25:59.120 --> 01:26:02.400
<v Speaker 3>And I think that one of the things that I don't know</v>

01:26:02.400 --> 01:26:06.240
<v Speaker 3>what cultural background it has, but there are a lot of people</v>

01:26:06.240 --> 01:26:08.880
<v Speaker 3>that have this sense of pride about not receiving charity</v>

01:26:10.240 --> 01:26:10.560
<v Speaker 3>and</v>

01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.480
<v Speaker 3>there's a sense in which I think it's important to try to</v>

01:26:14.480 --> 01:26:17.120
<v Speaker 3>make your own way and to try to do things yourself.</v>

01:26:17.120 --> 01:26:21.760
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time to ever refuse charity when you need</v>

01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:25.840
<v Speaker 3>it, when it would actually benefit you, is not only depriving you</v>

01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:29.200
<v Speaker 3>of yours of something that you need, and in many cases, you</v>

01:26:29.200 --> 01:26:32.800
<v Speaker 3>know, the charity's there for the taking.</v>

01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:36.480
<v Speaker 3>You're also depriving those who wish to give the charity in obedience</v>

01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:40.080
<v Speaker 3>to God, who are being God's hands in the community you share.</v>

01:26:40.320 --> 01:26:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, I can't take that.</v>

01:26:41.440 --> 01:26:42.320
<v Speaker 3>That'd be charity.</v>

01:26:42.320 --> 01:26:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Well</v>

01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:45.440
<v Speaker 3>at some point that's prideful.</v>

01:26:45.440 --> 01:26:50.240
<v Speaker 3>You can be dirt poor and completely broke and be a self-righteous</v>

01:26:50.240 --> 01:26:51.280
<v Speaker 3>prick about it.</v>

01:26:51.280 --> 01:26:54.320
<v Speaker 3>You can be evil and and be at the bottom of the</v>

01:26:54.320 --> 01:26:55.600
<v Speaker 3>totem pole.</v>

01:26:55.600 --> 01:27:03.120
<v Speaker 3>That sort of miserly attitude is ultimately harmful because you are harmed,</v>

01:27:03.120 --> 01:27:06.800
<v Speaker 3>you're depriving those who are trying to give the charity.</v>

01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Like it's just it's also unnatural.</v>

01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.800
<v Speaker 3>And I think that one of the benefits of giving to charity</v>

01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:17.040
<v Speaker 3>and being involved in charity is that you see the people on</v>

01:27:17.040 --> 01:27:19.600
<v Speaker 3>the other side and how much it benefits them.</v>

01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:22.320
<v Speaker 3>And it also is a reminder that that could one day be</v>

01:27:22.320 --> 01:27:24.640
<v Speaker 3>you. Or maybe in the past it was you.</v>

01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.360
<v Speaker 3>For a long time, I've recommended to friends to donate to the</v>

01:27:27.360 --> 01:27:30.720
<v Speaker 3>same food bank at the Fort Wayne Seminary, they used to feed</v>

01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:32.880
<v Speaker 3>me. Like if you don't know what else to give some money</v>

01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.800
<v Speaker 3>to, that's a good thing to give money to.</v>

01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Like I kept me in frozen fish sticks for years.</v>

01:27:38.400 --> 01:27:42.640
<v Speaker 3>I never want to eat them again, but I didn't starve.</v>

01:27:43.360 --> 01:27:48.480
<v Speaker 3>When we give or we receive, it's God working in both directions</v>

01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:50.160
<v Speaker 3>and everyone benefits.</v>

01:27:50.160 --> 01:27:52.800
<v Speaker 3>And so we we don't want to make this all about law</v>

01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:56.160
<v Speaker 3>and all about we gotta do and we gotta obey.</v>

01:27:56.160 --> 01:28:01.040
<v Speaker 3>The duty from God simply comes down to here's how it works.</v>

01:28:01.040 --> 01:28:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Let's just get out of the way and do it.</v>

01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:08.080
<v Speaker 3>And knowing and thinking about these things makes that a whole lot</v>

01:28:08.080 --> 01:28:10.720
<v Speaker 3>easier. You know, one of the things that's common</v>

01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:16.560
<v Speaker 3>in people who work in the actual legitimate charity field is that</v>

01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:20.400
<v Speaker 3>typically a lot of the people who work and who donate are</v>

01:28:20.400 --> 01:28:22.880
<v Speaker 3>those who are the closest to the edge.</v>

01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:25.920
<v Speaker 3>It tends not to be the very wealthiest who give to that</v>

01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.320
<v Speaker 3>sort of thing or certainly the work in it, although it does</v>

01:28:28.320 --> 01:28:33.760
<v Speaker 3>happen. Frequently the the folks who participate are one rung up the</v>

01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:37.760
<v Speaker 3>ladder. They may well be in that line for food the next</v>

01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:39.040
<v Speaker 3>year. And they know it.</v>

01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:41.040
<v Speaker 3>They're close enough to see over the edge.</v>

01:28:41.040 --> 01:28:45.360
<v Speaker 3>And so while they have more than they need, they're very happy</v>

01:28:45.360 --> 01:28:48.800
<v Speaker 3>and very grateful to be able to give to those who have</v>

01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:52.160
<v Speaker 3>not enough and actually need to receive that charity.</v>

01:28:52.160 --> 01:28:56.080
<v Speaker 3>So all of these facets of love, we'll get into more examples</v>

01:28:56.080 --> 01:28:57.120
<v Speaker 3>next week.</v>

01:28:57.120 --> 01:29:01.440
<v Speaker 3>It's God pouring out his gifts for us through each other.</v>

01:29:01.440 --> 01:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>And that's a good thing.</v>

01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:06.160
<v Speaker 3>It's yes, it's an obligation, it's a Christian obligation, it's a Christian</v>

01:29:06.160 --> 01:29:08.320
<v Speaker 3>duty, but it's also a blessing.</v>

01:29:08.320 --> 01:29:11.600
<v Speaker 3>We'd we don't want any of this to ultimately be about condemnation</v>

01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:15.280
<v Speaker 3>and leave people feeling beaten up and like, oh man, I gotta</v>

01:29:15.280 --> 01:29:16.640
<v Speaker 3>do a whole bunch of stuff.</v>

01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Think of all the great ways that we can help our neighbor.</v>

01:29:20.240 --> 01:29:21.280
<v Speaker 3>That's a good thing.</v>

01:29:21.280 --> 01:29:24.160
<v Speaker 3>That's something to actually be happy about and excited about.</v>

01:29:24.160 --> 01:29:27.520
<v Speaker 3>With all the terrible things going on in the world, what better</v>

01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:31.440
<v Speaker 3>time to help your actual neighbor to show up and they say,</v>

01:29:31.440 --> 01:29:32.000
<v Speaker 3>why are you here?</v>

01:29:32.080 --> 01:29:33.440
<v Speaker 3>And you say, I'm a Christian.</v>

01:29:33.440 --> 01:29:34.720
<v Speaker 3>I have a duty from God.</v>

01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:35.520
<v Speaker 3>You're my neighbor.</v>

01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:36.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know you.</v>

01:29:36.320 --> 01:29:37.440
<v Speaker 3>I want to get to know you.</v>

01:29:37.440 --> 01:29:38.560
<v Speaker 3>I want to help you.</v>

01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Let's sit down and have a meal.</v>

01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Like what whatever the context is, when we do what God wants</v>

01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:47.440
<v Speaker 3>us to do, everybody wins.</v>

01:29:47.440 --> 01:29:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Like it's it it's actually a good thing without downsides.</v>

01:29:52.400 --> 01:29:58.320
<v Speaker 3>And that gets completely lost when it's turned into this machine that</v>

01:29:58.320 --> 01:30:03.120
<v Speaker 3>is then just disgorging checks thousands of miles away.</v>

01:30:03.120 --> 01:30:07.120
<v Speaker 3>It's unnatural, it's inhuman, it's not properly ordered.</v>

01:30:07.120 --> 01:30:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Even when, you know, the stuff is actually doing some good, it's</v>

01:30:12.080 --> 01:30:16.320
<v Speaker 3>still at the expense of something that's more immediate.</v>

01:30:16.320 --> 01:30:18.320
<v Speaker 3>And you were also deprived of the benefit.</v>

01:30:18.320 --> 01:30:21.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's I've often said that it's one thing to write</v>

01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>a check, which I used to be good at.</v>

01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I used to, you know, like I would donate, but I would</v>

01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:27.840
<v Speaker 3>I would just I'd write a check and that was the end</v>

01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:28.080
<v Speaker 3>of it.</v>

01:30:28.080 --> 01:30:30.320
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to get my hands dirty, didn't want to do</v>

01:30:30.320 --> 01:30:30.880
<v Speaker 3>the work.</v>

01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:33.200
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of a scumbag way to do it.</v>

01:30:33.200 --> 01:30:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Because well, as Corey said, on one hand, maybe it took work</v>

01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:38.320
<v Speaker 3>to earn the money, and it does do good.</v>

01:30:38.320 --> 01:30:42.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, just having dollars transferred for one bank account to another</v>

01:30:42.480 --> 01:30:44.400
<v Speaker 3>absolutely makes a difference.</v>

01:30:44.400 --> 01:30:47.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, someone who was giving from their surplus to the food</v>

01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>bank, they bought a lot of food for my family to be</v>

01:30:50.240 --> 01:30:50.880
<v Speaker 3>able to eat.</v>

01:30:51.120 --> 01:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>It was cheap food, it was fine.</v>

01:30:52.400 --> 01:30:53.360
<v Speaker 3>It kept us fed.</v>

01:30:53.360 --> 01:30:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm not complaining, but any stretch.</v>

01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Dollars can go a long way in someone's more meager context.</v>

01:30:59.920 --> 01:31:01.520
<v Speaker 3>That's a blessing.</v>

01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:06.960
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, when the charity is limited to writing</v>

01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:10.480
<v Speaker 3>checks and to making it completely it completely external and not seeing</v>

01:31:10.480 --> 01:31:14.560
<v Speaker 3>face to face and not getting your hands dirty, you're being deprived</v>

01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:16.800
<v Speaker 3>of actually seeing the benefit.</v>

01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:20.880
<v Speaker 3>And it's the universal sentiment from any anyone who's been involved in</v>

01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:24.960
<v Speaker 3>actually doing that stuff of how of how rewarding it is to</v>

01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:28.160
<v Speaker 3>meet the people and to see the the recipients of that charity,</v>

01:31:28.240 --> 01:31:31.120
<v Speaker 3>see the objects of the love that God has put in our</v>

01:31:31.120 --> 01:31:33.920
<v Speaker 3>hearts to help a neighbor that we didn't even know we had.</v>

01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:36.720
<v Speaker 3>And then you go and you meet them in some charitable situation</v>

01:31:37.360 --> 01:31:39.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's good for everyone.</v>

01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:41.440
<v Speaker 3>You actually feel good about it.</v>

01:31:41.440 --> 01:31:42.160
<v Speaker 3>And that's okay.</v>

01:31:42.160 --> 01:31:44.160
<v Speaker 3>It like that's that's part of it.</v>

01:31:44.160 --> 01:31:47.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, there God gives us good feelings around all of these</v>

01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:50.720
<v Speaker 3>things. You know, people say that Corey and I are just filled</v>

01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:52.800
<v Speaker 3>with hate and you know it's they're gonna be making fun of</v>

01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:55.760
<v Speaker 3>the fact that we're doing a series on love, as though that</v>

01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.480
<v Speaker 3>were just completely ironic and insane.</v>

01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.160
<v Speaker 3>These are God's things.</v>

01:32:00.160 --> 01:32:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Anyone who has the Holy Spirit is going to have an outpouring</v>

01:32:03.280 --> 01:32:07.360
<v Speaker 3>of God's things, and it's going to be informed by what God</v>

01:32:07.360 --> 01:32:09.600
<v Speaker 3>reveals in scripture about how it works.</v>

01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:12.720
<v Speaker 3>It's how it actually works, whether you're a Christian and you don't</v>

01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:15.920
<v Speaker 3>know, or you're a Christian and you do know, it's gonna work</v>

01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:16.800
<v Speaker 3>the same way.</v>

01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>But we as Christians have no excuse because God reveals all this</v>

01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>stuff to us in scripture and then says, hey, go do it.</v>

01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Here's how it works.</v>

01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:24.720
<v Speaker 3>It's from me.</v>

01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Have fun.</v>

01:32:25.360 --> 01:32:27.280
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna love it.</v>

01:32:27.280 --> 01:32:28.400
<v Speaker 3>That should be the end of it.</v>

01:32:28.400 --> 01:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Like that should be a really simple task for anyone.</v>

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.120
<v Speaker 3>It shouldn't even be a task of like, okay, I'm I'm happy</v>

01:32:35.120 --> 01:32:36.080
<v Speaker 3>about this.</v>

01:32:36.080 --> 01:32:39.520
<v Speaker 3>And one of the challenges of charity sometimes is that</v>

01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:44.320
<v Speaker 3>because there are certain programs set up like you know, Christmas programs</v>

01:32:44.400 --> 01:32:47.760
<v Speaker 3>where you know donations for you know poor kids or whatever, that's</v>

01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:48.640
<v Speaker 3>all great.</v>

01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:51.440
<v Speaker 3>But the people who are in need are in need year-round.</v>

01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:57.120
<v Speaker 3>If somebody needs Thanksgiving meal donated, they probably need meals other times</v>

01:32:57.120 --> 01:33:01.440
<v Speaker 3>too. And so if your mind and your heart and your pocketbook</v>

01:33:01.440 --> 01:33:05.840
<v Speaker 3>and your time is oriented around giving in that direction, remember those</v>

01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:07.040
<v Speaker 3>people you're around.</v>

01:33:07.040 --> 01:33:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Remember the people who are in need when no one's thinking about</v>

01:33:10.080 --> 01:33:14.400
<v Speaker 3>'em. Because a belly doesn't just get hungry and Thanksgiving and Christmas.</v>

01:33:14.400 --> 01:33:16.800
<v Speaker 3>You can be hungry any time of the year.</v>

01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Especially when times get tough economically.</v>

01:33:19.440 --> 01:33:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes those places fall off a lot in their donations.</v>

01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:28.240
<v Speaker 3>So pay attention to the world, see who's suffering, and see how</v>

01:33:28.240 --> 01:33:31.120
<v Speaker 3>you can be God's love in the world.</v>

01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:33.680
<v Speaker 3>As I say these things, I fail many of these tests.</v>

01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm like I'm nailing it all.</v>

01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:38.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about all the ways that I should do a much</v>

01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:39.280
<v Speaker 3>better job than I am.</v>

01:33:39.280 --> 01:33:42.320
<v Speaker 3>I've done some of these things and better or worse, we'll have</v>

01:33:42.320 --> 01:33:44.000
<v Speaker 3>our strengths and weaknesses.</v>

01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:46.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't mean to be a hypocrite by saying something I'm not</v>

01:33:46.480 --> 01:33:49.520
<v Speaker 3>doing a good job at, but that's the nature of these things.</v>

01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you just say, you know what, here's what it says.</v>

01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:54.000
<v Speaker 3>We need to do a better job and you know, if you're</v>

01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.400
<v Speaker 3>the one saying it, you reflect and say, Wow, yeah, I I</v>

01:33:56.400 --> 01:33:58.240
<v Speaker 3>really do.</v>

01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:03.680
<v Speaker 3>The fact that these conversations are often missing, even from Christian discourse,</v>

01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:05.280
<v Speaker 3>is a big problem.</v>

01:34:05.280 --> 01:34:09.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, the Roman Catholic Church has long preserved preserved almsgiving, which</v>

01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:12.480
<v Speaker 3>is stray from scripture, it's a good thing.</v>

01:34:12.480 --> 01:34:16.800
<v Speaker 3>The problem is that they turned it into a ritual that has</v>

01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:21.520
<v Speaker 3>something to do with the satisfaction of sins, which is Protestant Christians,</v>

01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:23.760
<v Speaker 3>we understand, is completely excluded.</v>

01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.800
<v Speaker 3>You're not satisfying your sins by helping your neighbor.</v>

01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.760
<v Speaker 3>You're helping your neighbor because God satisfied your sins.</v>

01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.240
<v Speaker 3>The outcome, the actions are the same.</v>

01:34:32.240 --> 01:34:35.200
<v Speaker 3>You're just not confused about the causal relationship.</v>

01:34:35.200 --> 01:34:36.960
<v Speaker 3>And so all this should be a blessing.</v>

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.720
<v Speaker 3>All these things should be a joy.</v>

01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Even if you find that you're falling short in some area, be</v>

01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.840
<v Speaker 3>thankful that you're like, oh, I I guess I needed that kick</v>

01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:46.800
<v Speaker 3>in the butt.</v>

01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I did a poll on on X a few weeks ago asking</v>

01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:52.640
<v Speaker 3>what people's favorite uh episodes were.</v>

01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:55.760
<v Speaker 3>And a number of people made comments that the ones that meant</v>

01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.480
<v Speaker 3>the most to them were the ones that kicked them in the</v>

01:34:58.480 --> 01:35:02.640
<v Speaker 3>butt the hardest, the ones that really gave them a wake-up call.</v>

01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:06.240
<v Speaker 3>Because it's one thing when you just you're entertained and you're learning</v>

01:35:06.240 --> 01:35:07.120
<v Speaker 3>something new.</v>

01:35:07.120 --> 01:35:10.080
<v Speaker 3>It's another thing when you realize that you've been completely missing a</v>

01:35:10.080 --> 01:35:14.240
<v Speaker 3>part of the Christian life that has been depriving you and depriving</v>

01:35:14.240 --> 01:35:15.600
<v Speaker 3>your neighbor and your family.</v>

01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:18.800
<v Speaker 3>And when you're missing out on God's things, then you realize, hey,</v>

01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:21.440
<v Speaker 3>there's a whole bunch more here going on that I just wasn't</v>

01:35:21.360 --> 01:35:22.640
<v Speaker 3>even thinking about.</v>

01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:23.440
<v Speaker 3>It hurts.</v>

01:35:23.440 --> 01:35:25.200
<v Speaker 3>You're like, wow, I was sinful.</v>

01:35:25.200 --> 01:35:26.080
<v Speaker 3>I was, I was meager.</v>

01:35:26.080 --> 01:35:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't doing the thing.</v>

01:35:28.320 --> 01:35:33.600
<v Speaker 3>But that condemnation is immediately, as Christians, we recognize it's satisfied by</v>

01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:35.840
<v Speaker 3>God forgiving all of our sins.</v>

01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:38.400
<v Speaker 3>You're forgiven for the sin of not having done the thing that</v>

01:35:38.400 --> 01:35:39.120
<v Speaker 3>you should have been doing.</v>

01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.240
<v Speaker 3>And then once you realize you should have been doing it, not</v>

01:35:42.240 --> 01:35:45.280
<v Speaker 3>only do you know that you're forgiven, but you should go do</v>

01:35:45.280 --> 01:35:49.040
<v Speaker 3>it. Not because of God's wrath, but because of God's love.</v>

01:35:49.040 --> 01:35:51.920
<v Speaker 3>For us to be God's love in the world is a blessing.</v>

01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:53.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a command, it's a blessing.</v>

01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:54.320
<v Speaker 3>That's the gospel.</v>

01:35:54.320 --> 01:35:56.080
<v Speaker 3>It's all these things at once.</v>

01:35:56.080 --> 01:35:59.280
<v Speaker 3>It's really simple when you stop worrying about how can I save</v>

01:35:59.280 --> 01:36:04.240
<v Speaker 3>myself and just say, okay, God is God, what's next?</v>

01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.560
<v Speaker 2>There is a particular saying that comes to mind that has really</v>

01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:14.080
<v Speaker 2>fallen out of use in English, along with many other excellent Christian</v>

01:36:14.080 --> 01:36:17.680
<v Speaker 2>sayings, but this one in particular relates to the content of this</v>

01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>episode. There but for the grace of God go I.</v>

01:36:23.360 --> 01:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I want you not necessarily to bring that back into your vocabulary,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>but to bring that back into your mindset with regard to charity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Recognize two things.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>One, everything you have is a gift, is a blessing from God,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and none of it is guaranteed.</v>

01:36:44.400 --> 01:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>You may wake up tomorrow, poor, you may wake up tomorrow, wealthy.</v>

01:36:49.440 --> 01:36:52.320
<v Speaker 2>That is in God's hands.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And the second point is that we should not shame the poor.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God loves the poor.</v>

01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:01.280
<v Speaker 2>God cares for them, He has concern for them, and that is</v>

01:37:01.280 --> 01:37:04.720
<v Speaker 2>why He provides for them, using the means of those who have</v>

01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>been given wealth and resources.</v>

01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Charity is the means God uses to provide for the poor.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But in addition to that, to emphasize and to add one additional</v>

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<v Speaker 2>aspect to what Wo said</v>

01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>about the poor and how we interact with that concept and charity</v>

01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:25.520
<v Speaker 2>in our culture.</v>

01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>When you refuse charity if you need it, what you are doing</v>

01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:35.760
<v Speaker 2>is setting the precedent that taking charity is shameful, that it is</v>

01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:38.160
<v Speaker 2>something that men should not do.</v>

01:37:38.160 --> 01:37:42.320
<v Speaker 2>And that is the exactly wrong mindset.</v>

01:37:42.320 --> 01:37:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, if a man is able he should work and provide for</v>

01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:50.720
<v Speaker 2>himself, because again, Scripture is very clear that man is to work.</v>

01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>However, those who need charity should not feel ashamed when they need</v>

01:37:55.360 --> 01:37:57.200
<v Speaker 2>to take it.</v>

01:37:57.200 --> 01:38:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Because it is a Christian duty to give that charity, and in</v>

01:38:01.200 --> 01:38:04.240
<v Speaker 2>some cases it may very well be a duty to take that</v>

01:38:04.240 --> 01:38:07.040
<v Speaker 2>charity. If you are the head of a household and you need</v>

01:38:07.040 --> 01:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>that charity to care for your wife and children, then it is</v>

01:38:10.080 --> 01:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>your duty to take it, and you should not feel ashamed that</v>

01:38:13.200 --> 01:38:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you need to do so.</v>

01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>God has provided</v>

01:38:16.480 --> 01:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>that for you, whether He provides the means to care for your</v>

01:38:20.160 --> 01:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>wife and children, via your job, via an inheritance, or via charity,</v>

01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:27.600
<v Speaker 2>all of it comes from God.</v>

01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>We need to get rid of this sense of shame with regard</v>

01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>to those who take charity.</v>

01:38:33.040 --> 01:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>And so when you refuse it, when you say no my pride</v>

01:38:36.320 --> 01:38:40.800
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't permit me, what you're doing is creating that sense of shame</v>

01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:44.720
<v Speaker 2>in the next man who needs that charity.</v>

01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:48.800
<v Speaker 2>So get rid of that, jettison that from your thinking.</v>

01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Another matter that Woe raised that this is actually an action item,</v>

01:38:54.160 --> 01:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>as it were, something about which to think, and something that should</v>

01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>cause some changes for most people.</v>

01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Do not set duty and blessing against each other They are not</v>

01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>mutually exclusive concepts.</v>

01:39:10.400 --> 01:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>It's not, oh, I have a duty to do this, and so</v>

01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>it's a burden, and so I have to do this.</v>

01:39:15.120 --> 01:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>There are cases where that's true.</v>

01:39:17.040 --> 01:39:19.680
<v Speaker 2>If your nation is attacked as a man, it is your duty</v>

01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:22.720
<v Speaker 2>to take up arms and repulse that attack.</v>

01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:25.120
<v Speaker 2>And so that is certainly a burden.</v>

01:39:25.120 --> 01:39:29.120
<v Speaker 2>You should also consider it a blessing in a certain sense because</v>

01:39:29.120 --> 01:39:32.560
<v Speaker 2>you get the opportunity to defend that which matters to you most,</v>

01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.320
<v Speaker 2>that which is most important.</v>

01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>But there are also duties where it is simply a blessing.</v>

01:39:39.200 --> 01:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>As a father, you have a duty to spend time with your</v>

01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:44.320
<v Speaker 2>children. Do you consider that burdensome?</v>

01:39:44.320 --> 01:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>You shouldn't, that's a blessing.</v>

01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>You have a duty to spend time with your wife.</v>

01:39:48.080 --> 01:39:50.000
<v Speaker 2>That is also a blessing.</v>

01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.800
<v Speaker 2>In the Christian life, you have a duty to read Scripture.</v>

01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>But don't think of that as a burden, that's a blessing.</v>

01:39:57.520 --> 01:39:58.880
<v Speaker 2>God is speaking to you.</v>

01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>He is giving you His Word That is an inestimable blessing, that</v>

01:40:04.400 --> 01:40:06.800
<v Speaker 2>is an enormous blessing from God.</v>

01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:08.560
<v Speaker 2>It is also a duty.</v>

01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>It is a duty to spend time in prayer, but it is</v>

01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:15.520
<v Speaker 2>also an enormous blessing because not only do we get to speak</v>

01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:19.360
<v Speaker 2>to God, but He tells us that He listens, and that He</v>

01:40:19.360 --> 01:40:21.120
<v Speaker 2>will respond.</v>

01:40:21.120 --> 01:40:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Even if sometimes the response may be no or wait.</v>

01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:27.680
<v Speaker 2>We get to speak to God, and He responds.</v>

01:40:27.680 --> 01:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>So don't think that duty and blessing are divorced and totally separate</v>

01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:36.800
<v Speaker 2>things. More often than not, they are intimately connected.</v>

01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:40.080
<v Speaker 2>They are, in fact, one and the same in many cases.</v>

01:40:40.080 --> 01:40:44.320
<v Speaker 2>The duty and the blessing are the same thing.</v>

01:40:44.320 --> 01:40:48.960
<v Speaker 2>But we'll close out this episode with another reading from scripture, this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>one very clearly related to charity.</v>

01:40:53.600 --> 01:40:56.320
<v Speaker 2>When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the</v>

01:40:56.320 --> 01:41:00.080
<v Speaker 2>angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.</v>

01:41:00.080 --> 01:41:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate</v>

01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>people, one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the</v>

01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:11.280
<v Speaker 2>goats, and he will place the sheep on his right, but the</v>

01:41:11.280 --> 01:41:12.800
<v Speaker 2>goats on the left.</v>

01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Then the king will say to those on his right, Come, you</v>

01:41:16.240 --> 01:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you</v>

01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>from the foundation of the world.</v>

01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:25.280
<v Speaker 2>For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty</v>

01:41:25.440 --> 01:41:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed</v>

01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:32.480
<v Speaker 2>me. I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick, and</v>

01:41:32.480 --> 01:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>you visited me, I was in prison, and you came to me.</v>

01:41:36.320 --> 01:41:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Then the righteous will answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see</v>

01:41:40.400 --> 01:41:43.680
<v Speaker 2>you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?</v>

01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or</v>

01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:48.480
<v Speaker 2>naked and clothe you?</v>

01:41:48.480 --> 01:41:51.280
<v Speaker 2>And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit</v>

01:41:51.280 --> 01:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>you? And the king will answer them, truly I say to you,</v>

01:41:55.040 --> 01:41:57.360
<v Speaker 2>as you did it to one of the least of these my</v>

01:41:57.360 --> 01:42:00.640
<v Speaker 2>brothers, you did it to me.</v>

01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me</v>

01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:07.520
<v Speaker 2>you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his</v>

01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:11.360
<v Speaker 2>angels, for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I</v>

01:42:11.360 --> 01:42:14.720
<v Speaker 2>was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger</v>

01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:18.240
<v Speaker 2>and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe</v>

01:42:18.240 --> 01:42:21.680
<v Speaker 2>me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.</v>

01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Then they also will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see you</v>

01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:29.120
<v Speaker 2>hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in</v>

01:42:29.120 --> 01:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>prison, and did not minister to you?</v>

01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Then he will answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, as</v>

01:42:35.360 --> 01:42:38.400
<v Speaker 2>you did not do it to one of the least of these,</v>

01:42:38.400 --> 01:42:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you did not do it to me.</v>

01:42:40.480 --> 01:42:44.720
<v Speaker 2>And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into</v>

01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:46.160
<v Speaker 2>eternal life</v>