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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I am Corey J.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Mahler. And I'm Woe.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If inside baseball drama sounds like it's not your cup of tea,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you can stop listening right now.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You won't miss out on anything because this is not an episode</v>

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<v Speaker 3>where we're really going to be referring to in the future.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh there are a number of episodes that this is effectively a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>continuation of, kind of the culmination in some way.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we will link those in the show notes and we'll mention</v>

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<v Speaker 3>them as we go along.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh one other warning as we get started.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This episode is going to seem kind of rambling in content.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The reason for that is that we're going to be doing everything</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in order.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh we basically have assembled a timeline of events as they relate</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to synods attacks on layman.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And those are</v>

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<v Speaker 3>until you have the whole picture, it just kind of seems like,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>what does this have to do with each other?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're things that most of these things we knew as they were</v>

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<v Speaker 3>happening that they were happening.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There are some things we didn't know at the time and then</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we subsequently discovered.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So in this timeline as we deliver it, we're just going to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>tell you point by point everything that's happened.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So as a result, it's probably gonna seem a little confusing until</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we get to the end.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to know what has been happening to the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>four men who were on the turnip stream dealing with the large</v>

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<v Speaker 3>cataclysm, this is for the time being the most canonical source of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>those things.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh for Ryan's threads and some of the videos and some of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the articles we're going to mention.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The show notes are going to be very rich in terms of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>pointing to those resources.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we're not going to repeat a bunch of stuff that's been</v>

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<v Speaker 3>said elsewhere.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you have been following the story, we're we're not gonna bore</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you too much with with repeating those details because they're already well</v>

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<v Speaker 3>laid out.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we will incorporate those by reference as we go along.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So again, feel free to just tune out right now if that's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>not something you have any interest in hearing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If on the other hand you want to hear what the synod</v>

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<v Speaker 3>has been doing and at the end we'll be talking briefly just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>about some things that we can do in response as laymen who</v>

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<v Speaker 3>are are concerned about the state of these things.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So to begin with, we're gonna zoom back to the middle of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>last year, nearly a year ago today.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Before I mention the first item in this timeline, I want to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>point out that for those who may have the wrong understanding, have</v>

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<v Speaker 2>taken away the wrong implication from what Woe just said.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is inside baseball insofar as it involves what is happening to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the church.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is not inside baseball</v>

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<v Speaker 2>specifically insofar as it pertains to what is happening to the LCMS,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>because it's the LCMS and the AALC, as you will see soon</v>

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<v Speaker 2>enough. Today, it will be your church tomorrow, or maybe it was</v>

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<v Speaker 2>your church ten years ago.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is something that Satan is doing to all of the churches.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So it's inside baseball for the church, not specifically for the LCMS.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be largely for the LCMS because the two</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of us are Lutheran.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So starting with June, the first of June of 2022, my pastor</v>

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<v Speaker 2>received a complaint letter from three other pastors, Eric Johnson, Ben Meyer,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and Daniel Ross.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The letter itself I scanned, it is available.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be linked to in the show notes.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's linked to on my website, it was linked to on Twitter</v>

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<v Speaker 2>as well.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And this is sort of what kicked off some of this because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the thrust of their complaint is that they didn't believe I was</v>

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<v Speaker 2>treating them appropriately on Twitter as they are pastors.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with their argument is that what I was doing was</v>

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<v Speaker 2>correcting their false doctrine because all three of these men These men</v>

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<v Speaker 2>constantly spout false doctrine on Twitter.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a real problem that we have with pastors across the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>spectrum in various different denominations.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But that's how this started out.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so they sent the complaint letter I met with my pastor</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and an elder, and nothing came of it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to them, I was not placed under discipline, and that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>was the end of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Which made, of course, these three men very unhappy, and undoubtedly also</v>

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<v Speaker 2>those who are over them in the church very unhappy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so we'll move forward a month from there.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is part of what really got things going because this next</v>

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<v Speaker 2>event is the one that caused many of us to start looking</v>

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<v Speaker 2>more deeply into these matters, and that was the LCMS youth gathering</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in Houston.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's the National Youth Gathering.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason that we started looking into this the date is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the first of July.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The reason we started looking into this is that the organization calling</v>

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<v Speaker 2>itself Lutherans for Racial Justice</v>

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<v Speaker 2>played an outsized role in this youth gathering.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so you have this Marxist organization agitating along racial lines and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>others, of course, you can go back and listen to our episode</v>

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<v Speaker 2>on Marxism and you'll understand what they were doing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But you have them taking over</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the youth gathering in the LCMS, and so they're Indoctrinating the next</v>

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<v Speaker 2>generation in Marxist thinking.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly what they're doing because that is how Marxists work.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is a subversion of an existing institution.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so we notice that is what is happening, and we have</v>

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<v Speaker 2>individuals who are involved in this, the will link to the the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>bios for the men who claim to have started this, but you</v>

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<v Speaker 2>have Nunez is one of them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You have I forgotten the name of the the pastor, you remember</v>

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<v Speaker 2>his name?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>don't recall off the top of my</v>

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<v Speaker 2>head. I'll I'll link I'll link to it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But then you also have Zaltzberg, who is a literal pornographer from</v>

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<v Speaker 2>California, who is the the co-founder of this organization?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so we started digging from there.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And this ties into other things.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll notice there are just tentacles throughout.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because that is how Satan works.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's how this worked.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You have individuals</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who are in various places and start indoctrinating children here, start changing</v>

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<v Speaker 2>curriculum there.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that is how we started looking into these issues more deeply.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not familiar with the National Youth Gathering, it is a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>large production.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>To give you a sense of the scale, the LCMS spent nine</v>

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars on this thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It was a third of the annual budget last year spent specifically</v>

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<v Speaker 3>on getting all the kids together for a week.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it's always been known as kind of the lib thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's always been an ultra lib</v>

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<v Speaker 3>youth event.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So much so that there's actually a competing event called Higher Things</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that was set up without synod oversight to be a confessional competitor</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, they have gone down the same path because they all live</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the same world.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so all these pastors, even when they're trying to be so</v>

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<v Speaker 3>called confessional, they're still adopting the world's frame on all these issues.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So Lutherans for racial justice first popped up about four weeks after</v>

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<v Speaker 3>George Floyd's suicide, three years ago now.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they are themselves an outgrowth of the Black Caucus within the Missouri</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Senate. So it's it's many of the same pastors in the Black</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Caucus. They rebranded some of their operations.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They actually share some of the same legal entities.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're specifically now focusing on what they call racial justice inside the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>LCMS. And so</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the personnel ties are crucial because when we first started looking at</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it, you know, a year ago, we thought, wow, these racial agitators</v>

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<v Speaker 3>are taking things over.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>As all of the things we're subsequently going to describe here unfolded,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we realized in retrospect, Matt Harrison handed the reins to these racial</v>

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<v Speaker 3>agitators a year ago.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Lutherans for Racial Justice has worked hand in hand with him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Now he's he's more conservative publicly than them, but it's a Motton</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Bailey play where L4RJ will go further and then the nice centrist</v>

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<v Speaker 3>guys can pretend, oh well, you know, we don't want to be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>like Kendi E ex Abram or whatever.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We wanna be the conservatives.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But then they keep saying exactly the same things.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And oh, by the way, it's all targeted at white men like</v>

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<v Speaker 3>us who are saying, Hey, let's believe the Bible and that's probably</v>

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<v Speaker 3>gonna look exactly what like what it looked like a hundred and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>fifty years ago.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That is why the Missouri Senate is freaking out today about layman</v>

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<v Speaker 3>talking. when they have these nine million dollar budgets and then we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>say, oh, you know what?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This looks like a pile of garbage.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That interrupts their plans.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure that everyone has the names of those involved</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in this, and so I am going to go back over a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>handful of names here, just so people can start to sort of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>mentally map what is going on here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And New York is going to come up a an outsized number</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of times.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so we'll start with Eric Johnson.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Johnson is an SMP pastor in New York.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's still at Holy Trinity in Yonkers.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not exactly He's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>actually he's finishing him his M Div, so he's in St.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Louis now.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a pastor.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, is he?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's he's finishing that up.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's where he's what I don't go back there, but New York</v>

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<v Speaker 2>plays an outsized role in this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He was originally from New York.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You can find his installation pictures and such.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Ross is a pastor in Oklahoma, which for those who've been</v>

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<v Speaker 2>paying attention, you know that Ryan Turnipseed, also Oklahoma.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And then there is Ben Meyer, who is a pastor in Ohio.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so you'll note that we have these disparate pastors who came</v>

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<v Speaker 2>together and wrote a letter against me.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to see this sort of collusion more and more as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we go on from here.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Before you go on, Ben Meyer is crucially important because he is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>best friends with Jordan Cooper.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Cooper is also AALC.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Cooper has tangled with Corey in the past.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Cooper, the AALC and Antifa have ties historically before we get</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to the things that have happened here.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So when Ben Meyer shows up right off the bat coming after</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Corey, that is not disconnected from his close personal friendship with Jordan.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And when I say close personal friendship, he named his kid after</v>

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<v Speaker 3>him. So they're longtime friends.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Fine, whatever you can be friends with people.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Unless it's Cory me, you're not allowed to be friends with us</v>

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<v Speaker 3>or you will go to hell.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's what the Missouri Senate has said.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And we'll get into that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty much the thrust of most of this conversation, most of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>these details.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But everybody else gets to have friends as long as they're not</v>

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<v Speaker 3>us.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And part of the Reason that Jordan Cooper hates me in particular,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>but a number of others as well.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>One he doesn't like to be challenged by anyone, and well unfortunately</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for him he routinely posts things that are just outright false.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He's been called an open heretic by Kilcrease, who is a member</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the CGCR.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Despite the fact that the LCMS and the AELC are in alter</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and pulpit fellowship, we have the supposed chief theologian, one of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>chief theologians of the LCMS calling the chief theologian of the ALC</v>

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<v Speaker 2>an open heretic.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 3>Kil Kilcrease did apologize on Facebook.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>He got he got slapped on the wrist for that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he did.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Past pastors can't say bad things about other pastors, but laymen are</v>

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely fair game.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And so part of the reason, the another part of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>reason that Jordan Cooper does not like me is that I helped</v>

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<v Speaker 2>defend Super Lutheran when he was being brought up basically for excommunication,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for heresy charges more or less, by the AALC.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that was brought those charges were brought by Cooper.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I did get them to admit that in the hearing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't want to.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This was again one of those not as bad as some of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the struggle sessions have been since then with the LCMS, but it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>was a sort of struggle session in which it was very nebulous</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who was charging, but I did get the tribunal to force the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution to admit that bit.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So we do know that Jordan Cooper was the one who pushed</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for those charges.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And again it's a very good idea he's since publicly</v>

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<v Speaker 3>denied that I believe he's publicly denied that as well.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And he has.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Despite the fact that there were half a dozen witnesses to that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>testimony from their side.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. the panel was seven men, there were two prosecutors, there was</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a recorder, and then there were three of us four at the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side, depending on what part of the so called</v>

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<v Speaker 2>trial. See there were plenty of men in the room who heard</v>

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what was going on.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, he's denied that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't released the recording, and they probably never will, assuming they</v>

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<v Speaker 2>even kept the thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the the basic outline of this, and then the last</v>

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<v Speaker 2>two men that I wanted to mention to make sure people have</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the names here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned Joshua Zaltzberg, who is the pornographer from Culver City, so</v>

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<v Speaker 2>from Southern California.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And then Matthew Gonzales is a pastor in New York, the Bronx</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, who is the other founder, the co founder of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Lutherans for Racial Justice, at least insofar as they mention it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned Nunez already, John Nunez, he is a frequent speaker on</v>

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<v Speaker 2>various things Lutheran, supposedly, and he is also involved in this, although</v>

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<v Speaker 2>his involvement is not as explicitly mentioned on their website and their</v>

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<v Speaker 2>materials, but he constantly comments on these racial grievance issues.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so moving on from there to October, October nineteenth, still twenty</v>

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, obviously, we released the first episode of Stone Choir.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That was of course our episode on headship, teaching and women in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the church, and part of the reason that we addressed that issue,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>well, one, it's an important issue, and no one was really addressing</v>

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<v Speaker 2>it, and so it needs to be addressed, a constant theme on</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But another part of it is that CPH had been and still</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is publishing theology written by women, some of it directed toward pastors.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So we have women who are forbidden to speak in the church,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>forbidden to teach in the church, teaching pastors, and they try to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>get around this, of course, by saying, Well, they're not teaching in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the church but go back and listen to the episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what scripture says.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so part of the reason we did that episode was to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>push back against this creeping heresy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You have women teaching pastors.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Not only are they teaching in the church, they're teaching the men</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who are supposed to be doing the teaching in the church.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's ep it's abhorrent, it's an abomination, and yet it's happening in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a supposedly conservative Lutheran synod.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 3>the timing is important because we we did that episode on the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>19th of October.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We had intended originally to begin Stone Choir on Reformation Day, just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>because it seemed like a suitable number for this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But when Mrs.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Jonathan Lackey shipped her book through CPH in early to mid-October, this</v>

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<v Speaker 3>subject blew up and our group of friends was at the forefront</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so this book is going to the the book that was</v>

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<v Speaker 3>part of the subject of the very first episode of Stone Choir</v>

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<v Speaker 3>comes up later on as one of the accusations against one of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the men involved that he had spoken a ga out against her</v>

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<v Speaker 3>book. And so th there was lies told about him by his</v>

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<v Speaker 3>own pastor to his face in reference to the book that was</v>

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the reason we're laying all this groundwork before we get to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of this year when the large catechism came out, which</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is the next thing, is that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>these pieces have been moving for a while, you know, including Jordan</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Cooper's hatred of Corey and of me personally.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Cooper, when he doxed Super Lutheran, he thought that he was</v>

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<v Speaker 3>doxing me.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>When he got him defrocked and expelled from his own church, he</v>

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<v Speaker 3>thought that Super Lutheran was me on Twitter.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so it was directly an attack against me because I'd been</v>

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<v Speaker 3>going after him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And while I wish that I had not been the precipitate for</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that attack, Jordan is evil.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so when I said he was evil and he responded with</v>

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<v Speaker 3>more evil, what are good men supposed to do in these situations?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's fundamentally what all of this is about.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What are good men supposed to do when their own pastors are</v>

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<v Speaker 3>being evil.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We called it Stone Choir because all we can do is cry</v>

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<v Speaker 3>out. We don't have a vocation to be to be either cheerleaders</v>

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<v Speaker 3>or crossing guards.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're not hall monitors.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're laymen who know the Bible well enough to say that doesn't</v>

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<v Speaker 3>sound like what God said.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go look.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so that'll be the recurring theme through all of this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Laymen say, hey, this doesn't look like scripture.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then pastors respond with malevolence, not disagreement, not well, that's your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>opinion. Not I think that we should do this a different way</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the church.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Absolute malevolence.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's the overarching theme of what goes on behind the scenes.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the reason for doing this episode today and laying out this</v>

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat convoluted timeline is that as we put all these pieces together,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it will become more and more clear that the malevolence is the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>dominating factor of those who oppose us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We could be right or wrong.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's we're just two random guys.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we're full of crap, but everything that has been done to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and against us is evil.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's plainly evil.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it's gotten so bad that even people who publicly disagree with</v>

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<v Speaker 3>us and don't like us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them block us on Twitter.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They think we're terrible people.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They even admit that what the Senate has been doing is evil.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And they don't know the half of this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They know some of the details, they don't know all of it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The reason we're doing this episode is to lay it all out.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so everyone will have the facts.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You think what you're gonna think about it, but we're going to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>give you point by point every detail of what's happened.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And I will go ahead and commit myself to producing a public</v>

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<v Speaker 2>version of this timeline.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, we're looking at our notes here, we have the timeline in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>front of us.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I'll produce a public version of this that will be a little</v>

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<v Speaker 2>easier to follow.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that it'll come out with the episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It may take me a little longer than that to get it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>done because I do have to edit the episode after we record,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>but I will eventually get that done so people have something they</v>

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<v Speaker 2>can actually see and follow a little more clearly.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so from there we move on to the beginning of this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>year, and that is the twentieth of January, we received one of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the earliest copies of the annotated large catechism, the large cataclysm, whichever</v>

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<v Speaker 2>term you want to use for this horrible thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so we started going through it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's what you do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>When Synod publishes something that is very clearly meant to be a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>doctrinal standard, despite the fact that they will try to disclaim that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is a doctrinal standard for the LCMS.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because pastors are not going to be allowed to publicly disagree with</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this, pastors are going to be pushed to use this in their</v>

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<v Speaker 2>congregations, pastors are going to use this to teach their congregants, this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is the doctrine of the LCMS.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This is what Matt Harrison and the CTCR and various others are</v>

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<v Speaker 2>pushing into the pulpits and into the congregations, and therefore into your</v>

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<v Speaker 2>homes. And so we started reading through this collection of essays, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we found Marxism throughout the entire thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We found racial grievances, we found minimization of pedophilia, really apology</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for pedophilia.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We found all sorts of the sorts of problems that you would</v>

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<v Speaker 2>expect from say a large university or a large corporation with a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>big program, a big die program, diversity, inclusion, and equity.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we found in these essays.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so we started critiquing them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We started going through and pointing out the problems, and it of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>course took a little while because this is a fairly substantial book.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a while to go through and read these things, however,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>it is abundantly clear on the face of many of these essays</v>

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<v Speaker 2>what they are and that they do not belong in this book.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Not only because of the content, you don't even need to get</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to the content in some cases.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You can look at the names of the authors.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There are men who are decidedly not Orthodox Lutheran, there are men</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who are heretics, right Writing for this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There are essays written by Elka in this thing.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 3>they're essays written by girls, which was the very first thing that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we dealt with.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I think one of the tricks has been played by the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>other side is that they will say, oh, well, they're just essays.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's a it's a modern contemporary commentary on these issues.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Those aren't doctrinally blinding.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>A month later, Matt Harrison proved what a lie that was by</v>

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<v Speaker 3>something that he put out where he where he cited the small</v>

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<v Speaker 3>catechism that he had published in 2017 with exactly the same kind</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of annotations.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Matt Harrison, the false prophet, added new doctrine to the small catechism</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in 2017, and then this year, he said that we're going to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>hell for disagreeing with his false doctrine.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's nothing in the small catechism.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's new annotations.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So once again, this is the game that they play.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have the guts to actually tamper with our confessional documents,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>but what do they do?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They do the equivalent of a presidential signing statement where they reinterpret</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it in a modern way and then they hold you to their</v>

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<v Speaker 3>modern interpretation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And if what you say about what Lutherans have held for 500</v>

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<v Speaker 3>years is contradictory to the modern interpretation in their comments in their</v>

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<v Speaker 3>essays, they say you're going to hell and they excommunicate you.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's precisely what's happened in this circumstance.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so partly in response to this, in fact, the same day,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I read somewhat quickly, so I got through a lot of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>book, I posted two tweets, and I'll just go ahead and read</v>

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<v Speaker 2>those two tweets.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We'll link to them in the show notes as well.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I the first one, the entire LCMS leadership is apostate or derelict.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They must all be removed and forever barred, no exceptions.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that was directly a response to the large catechism.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I also had other things in mind.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I obviously remember what Matt Harrison had written at the time of</v>

00:23:33.520 --> 00:23:38.160
<v Speaker 2>George Floyd's suicide, and that is still up to the great shame</v>

00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.440
<v Speaker 2>of every single pastor in the LCMS that has not been removed</v>

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<v Speaker 2>from the LCMS website.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For those who haven't read it, I'll link it in the show</v>

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<v Speaker 2>notes, but it also one of the salients that it advances is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that racism is the original sin of America.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Which of course that's just rank heresy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But the second tweet that I put out was these interlopers and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>subverters will be removed.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>These men, in single quotes, have no claim to the historical Lutheran</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Church, and they have no connection to the men who came before</v>

00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>them. As for me and many others, we will continue attending Opa's</v>

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<v Speaker 2>church, and of course I'm referencing CFW Valter there, who wrote on</v>

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<v Speaker 2>many of these issues that have become so controversial in our times</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact sides with us, as do all of the historical</v>

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<v Speaker 2>divines of the Lutheran Church, because the the men who are currently</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of the LCMS are not Lutheran.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They're not even Christian.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Those two particular tweets are crucial because although you provided no context</v>

00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.040
<v Speaker 3>at the time, you were already reading the large cataclysm.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You said these things.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The next day, the next thing we we're gonna talk about is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Turnerseed's initial thread about this that went very viral.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh at the time it had over a quarter million views just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>on Twitter and a lot more on other websites.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>These comments from Corey have been used in private, in secret, misconstrued</v>

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<v Speaker 3>as accusations against us and against other men, making utterly false claims</v>

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<v Speaker 3>about what he said.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So those comments were one of the very first things that Corey</v>

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<v Speaker 3>said that were directly used to try to destroy the four men</v>

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<v Speaker 3>involved in what happens next.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned the the part that happens next that really kicks</v>

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<v Speaker 2>off the annotated large catechism controversy is Ryan's thread, because that of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>course gains considerable traction.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that was posted on Saturday, that is the twenty first of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>January, and we'll link to that for those who have not gone</v>

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<v Speaker 2>through and read it or need a refresher.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And it just pulls out some of the more egregious bits of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>what</v>

00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>is contained in that annotated large catechism.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the worst parts of the Marxist thinking, the false doctrine,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>things like that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We could have made the thread twenty times as long quite easily.</v>

00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I could go through and critique that volume of essays and it</v>

00:26:09.360 --> 00:26:13.760
<v Speaker 2>would take me weeks worth of podcast episodes at four hours a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>pop, it is an endless source of false doctrine, and that is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>why we went as hard as we did against it because it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is full of false doctrine and it is clearly intended to become</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the standard for the LCMS.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If this particular collection of essays is permitted to stand, the LCMS</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer a Christian body.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is what is at stake</v>

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here.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the most damning things in the thread in the large</v>

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<v Speaker 3>cataclysm is the minimization of what really is called pedophilia.</v>

00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:51.280
<v Speaker 3>It really shouldn't be.</v>

00:26:51.280 --> 00:26:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Pedophilia is basically a derivation of the Greek word for boy lover.</v>

00:26:57.360 --> 00:27:00.800
<v Speaker 3>There's nothing loving about that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What we're talking about</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is child rape.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's an upsetting thing to say because it's a deeply upsetting and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>disconcerting thing to think about.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The idea that children could be raped by adults is should be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>unthinkable. It shouldn't even be able to be something that someone could</v>

00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.320
<v Speaker 3>contemplate, let alone have it exist in the world.</v>

00:27:22.320 --> 00:27:26.320
<v Speaker 3>And yet, we know that there are these so called pedophiles.</v>

00:27:26.320 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 3>There are these child rapists.</v>

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:29.040
<v Speaker 3>And they're everywhere.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We more and more in the in the political sphere we find</v>

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<v Speaker 3>out, oh, turns out that guy was what we call a pedo.</v>

00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 3>He was a child rapist.</v>

00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 3>This is gonna come up towards the end of this because the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>single most damning screenshot from all of this was the one where</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the essay by a girl in the sixth commandment portion talking about</v>

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.680
<v Speaker 3>adultery Classified pedophilia as a sexual orientation.</v>

00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Put it in the same sentence as polyamory, somehow.</v>

00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Like how how did polyamory come up?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And yet what was what the Missouri Synod said in this girl's</v>

00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:09.520
<v Speaker 3>voice is a pedophilia, the ch the rape of children is a</v>

00:28:09.520 --> 00:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>speck in your neighbor's eye.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Now, for some reason they didn't the fifth commandment one about murder.</v>

00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 3>You know if if your next door neighbor is murdering people, if</v>

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<v Speaker 3>he's a serial killer, it would not occur to you as a</v>

00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 3>Christian to think, huh, well, you know, he's he's killing and eating</v>

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.040
<v Speaker 3>people, you know, it's Jeffrey Dahmer and so he's he's doing these</v>

00:28:29.040 --> 00:28:31.360
<v Speaker 3>really bad things, but I got a lot of sin in my</v>

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<v Speaker 3>heart too.</v>

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 3>I can't judge him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's not a Christian response.</v>

00:28:35.520 --> 00:28:37.520
<v Speaker 3>Not by a million miles.</v>

00:28:37.520 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Part of the reason that we did the episode on the fact</v>

00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 3>that there are different degrees of sin is that this antinomian view</v>

00:28:46.800 --> 00:28:48.720
<v Speaker 3>that all sins are equal, man?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, they might be raping kids, but you looked at a girl</v>

00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:53.520
<v Speaker 3>in the Mikini once, it's all the same.</v>

00:28:53.520 --> 00:28:56.320
<v Speaker 3>That is a demonic lie from the pit of hell.</v>

00:28:56.320 --> 00:28:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, both are sins.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, are both damning.</v>

00:28:59.520 --> 00:29:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Because damnation is binary.</v>

00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:05.040
<v Speaker 3>There's no well, maybe you don't go to hell for that.</v>

00:29:05.040 --> 00:29:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Without Christ's sacrifice on the cross, you go to hell for every</v>

00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 3>single sin, or any individual sin, including the fact that you were</v>

00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.320
<v Speaker 3>born with original sin.</v>

00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:19.680
<v Speaker 3>So the idea that a sin is different in degree or different</v>

00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:23.280
<v Speaker 3>in weight It's plainly understood by every Christian.</v>

00:29:23.280 --> 00:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>It's a reason that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by while the</v>

00:29:26.800 --> 00:29:29.040
<v Speaker 3>other towns around them were not destroyed.</v>

00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:30.560
<v Speaker 3>The other towns had sinners.</v>

00:29:30.560 --> 00:29:34.080
<v Speaker 3>They did not have sinners who were committing sodomy and rape.</v>

00:29:34.080 --> 00:29:37.760
<v Speaker 3>God hates hates that and he destroys it and he commands it</v>

00:29:37.760 --> 00:29:39.120
<v Speaker 3>to be destroyed.</v>

00:29:39.120 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 3>And so when that was made public, it rightly pissed off a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people, especially a lot of mothers in the LCMS.</v>

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Mothers tend to take personally when someone says, you know, maybe raping</v>

00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 3>kids isn't so bad.</v>

00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Dads do too, but mothers in particular, when you come after their</v>

00:29:55.760 --> 00:29:57.840
<v Speaker 3>kids, you're playing with fire.</v>

00:29:57.840 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 3>And so this rightly incensed people.</v>

00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:06.080
<v Speaker 3>And lately, just in the last two weeks, most of the attacks</v>

00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 3>against us against Stone Choir are in defense of pedophilia.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll get to that towards the end, but I just want</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you to remember that one salient fact because throughout all of this,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the reason that laymen are facing these dire consequences, this persecution, this</v>

00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:29.040
<v Speaker 3>murder in our own church is because layman said, hey, maybe child</v>

00:30:29.040 --> 00:30:32.560
<v Speaker 3>rape is something where we don't just paper it over and say,</v>

00:30:32.560 --> 00:30:33.520
<v Speaker 3>yeah, man, that's sin.</v>

00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:35.760
<v Speaker 3>It's really it's a it's a good thing Jesus died for them</v>

00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:37.600
<v Speaker 3>too. Let's go share the gospel.</v>

00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:41.040
<v Speaker 3>That's not where you begin with some when someone's raping children.</v>

00:30:41.040 --> 00:30:43.440
<v Speaker 3>So I've said that term repeatedly.</v>

00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.120
<v Speaker 3>It's disgusting.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And the fact that we have pastors trying to defend it and</v>

00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.920
<v Speaker 3>saying, well, what about the child rapists?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We need to reach out to them with the gospel.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. You can do that in the electric chair.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Tell them about God and flip the switch.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That is the only thing that the state should be doing with</v>

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<v Speaker 3>these men.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They should not be permitted to live.</v>

00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 3>And for me to say that is a political position, you may</v>

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.120
<v Speaker 3>You may say, well, no, we do something else with them.</v>

00:31:09.120 --> 00:31:12.800
<v Speaker 3>The only concern for many of the pastors involved in this is</v>

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.040
<v Speaker 3>we're not sharing the gospel enough.</v>

00:31:15.040 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 3>We're not focused enough on the gospel with child drapeists.</v>

00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.800
<v Speaker 3>What I have to say in response to that is not fit</v>

00:31:20.800 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 3>for this podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually going to link to I think for the first time</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in this podcast in the show notes a specific Supreme Court case.</v>

00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to link to the Supreme Court case that struck down</v>

00:31:37.360 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the use of the death penalty for child rapists.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And I am not going to recommend, I may put a little</v>

00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>disclaimer on it even, I'm not going to recommend that most of</v>

00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>you read the fact pattern for it.</v>

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>But some of you, and you'll know who you are, should read</v>

00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>through that.</v>

00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>So you can have some idea of how</v>

00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>truly wicked some men are, and our courts are, and therefore our</v>

00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>country is, and our synod is becoming the church is becoming.</v>

00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>It's all of one piece.</v>

00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>But moving on, Matt Harrison posts on the following Monday, the twenty</v>

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<v Speaker 2>third of January.</v>

00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.840
<v Speaker 2>He posts on Facebook</v>

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<v Speaker 2>basically responding to some of this controversy and</v>

00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>really he botches it not necessarily as badly here as later on,</v>

00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:41.360
<v Speaker 2>but we do eventually actually get them to halt the distribution of</v>

00:32:41.360 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>the large catechism in response to</v>

00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>some of what we What we brought to light.</v>

00:32:50.800 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 2>But of course it was cynical because it was resumed shortly afterward.</v>

00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even delayed very long.</v>

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I

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<v Speaker 3>believe this is when it was delayed.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It was delayed on the twenty third.</v>

00:33:01.280 --> 00:33:04.720
<v Speaker 3>It was because it it was we we got the notice that</v>

00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.560
<v Speaker 3>it was going to be that sales were going to be halted</v>

00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 3>shortly before we began the the turn upstream.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was a it was a quick response on their part</v>

00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>specifically, because the one thing that Matt Harrison and many in the</v>

00:33:20.320 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>LCMS leadership hate is bad press.</v>

00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:29.360
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like dealing with Asian politicians like Chinese or to a</v>

00:33:29.760 --> 00:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>lesser degree, but still Japanese politicians, where saving face is the biggest</v>

00:33:34.320 --> 00:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>thing, and that carries over to their corporate culture as well.</v>

00:33:37.520 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>But they're almost behaving in that manner where if they get bad</v>

00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>press, that is the thing that gets them to respond.</v>

00:33:45.280 --> 00:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Of course, they're animated by Satan ultimately because we see that with</v>

00:33:49.120 --> 00:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the doctrines they are attempting to push through in into pulpits and</v>

00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>congregations, but it's the bad press that really gets them to act</v>

00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:00.160
<v Speaker 2>because they're acting in self-interest.</v>

00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>And so as you mentioned, we then do the the turnip stream,</v>

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>which is when we went on Ryan Turnipseed's YouTube channel and discussed</v>

00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 2>some of these passages from the annotated large catechism and why they</v>

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.680
<v Speaker 2>are false doctrine, why they are a problem, what exactly it is</v>

00:34:19.680 --> 00:34:22.240
<v Speaker 2>they are pushing into the churches.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 3>that was a three hour stream that involved four men.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It involved Corey, me, Ryan, and a friend of ours who goes</v>

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<v Speaker 3>by the name of Ash.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That stream, the two days after the thread is the kickoff for</v>

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<v Speaker 3>everything that's happened since.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it's now been put in writing in public that the synod</v>

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<v Speaker 3>admits that all the retaliation, all the doxing, all the threats, all</v>

00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 3>the excommunication are in direct retaliation for the layman participating in that</v>

00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:54.720
<v Speaker 3>stream particular.</v>

00:34:54.720 --> 00:35:00.160
<v Speaker 3>So the 23rd of January is functionally the beginning of this story.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Everything we've said thus far, you know, with the exception of the</v>

00:35:03.600 --> 00:35:07.440
<v Speaker 3>large clataclysm being published in the first place, this is the moment</v>

00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.120
<v Speaker 3>when all of this began.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And notably, it's about three months after Stone Choir started, so we</v>

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 3>started really because we felt that our hand was forced by how</v>

00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.320
<v Speaker 3>bad things were getting after the national youth gathering and then after</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the Mrs.</v>

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Molly Lackey book, we felt we had no choice.</v>

00:35:26.080 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 3>We had to begin doing this.</v>

00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:32.400
<v Speaker 3>We decided to do it before Lackey's book, but the timing forced</v>

00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.080
<v Speaker 3>it and everything that's happened since then has confirmed to us that</v>

00:35:36.080 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 3>we were right to begin this and that Satan is soiling his</v>

00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 3>britches as a result of us doing this.</v>

00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 3>I never in my life have I've seen a nobody podcast.</v>

00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Two guys no one knows anything about, nobody cares about, other than</v>

00:35:49.520 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, some people hate us, a few people like us.</v>

00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 3>We had no marketing budget.</v>

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.240
<v Speaker 3>Like it's it's a nothing podcast.</v>

00:35:56.240 --> 00:36:01.520
<v Speaker 3>And yet the volume of hatred and terror coming from men who</v>

00:36:01.520 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>are advocating pedophilia normalization, that's the story here.</v>

00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.080
<v Speaker 3>That is the real story.</v>

00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:09.200
<v Speaker 3>It's not about us.</v>

00:36:09.200 --> 00:36:12.080
<v Speaker 3>It's not about people picking on us or saying mean things.</v>

00:36:12.080 --> 00:36:15.520
<v Speaker 3>It's about the fact that when two laymen will actually begin to</v>

00:36:15.520 --> 00:36:18.400
<v Speaker 3>say, hey, this is not what the Bible says.</v>

00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Our churches are doing something wrong.</v>

00:36:20.720 --> 00:36:24.960
<v Speaker 3>The entire edifice of the LCMS began to crumble.</v>

00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.560
<v Speaker 3>We didn't do that.</v>

00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:30.400
<v Speaker 3>All we did was shine a light on what's happening and the</v>

00:36:30.560 --> 00:36:36.080
<v Speaker 3>hysterics and the opprobrium and the devilish actions that have followed since</v>

00:36:36.080 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 3>then make it crystal clear to any Christian that we are on</v>

00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>the right track.</v>

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Not to say that we're completely without sin or everything we ever</v>

00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:48.080
<v Speaker 3>do is is sanctified, but the fact that we are doing this</v>

00:36:48.080 --> 00:36:51.040
<v Speaker 3>has caused such evil in response.</v>

00:36:51.040 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 3>And we're gonna go into the details of some of the evil,</v>

00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 3>many of which many of th those details are not have not</v>

00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.880
<v Speaker 3>been known previous to this podcast today.</v>

00:36:58.880 --> 00:36:59.200
<v Speaker 3>So</v>

00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.520
<v Speaker 3>we knew as all these things were happening that they were happening,</v>

00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 3>we were talking amongst our friends, and initially, you know, like as</v>

00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:11.040
<v Speaker 3>as we're living these moments day by day, we're trying to wrap</v>

00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 3>our heads around it.</v>

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Like what is going on?</v>

00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, initially we were I want to say we were shocked</v>

00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:21.120
<v Speaker 3>by how bad the large cataclysm was, but it was certainly Certainly</v>

00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 3>stark that Harrison would push things so far left so publicly.</v>

00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 3>That's risky on his part.</v>

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.480
<v Speaker 3>And the risk was made clear by the response to the turnip</v>

00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 3>stream, to the thread and everything that happened after that.</v>

00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 3>As Corey said, Harrison doesn't want anyone to say anything bad about</v>

00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 3>him ever.</v>

00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.200
<v Speaker 3>When Terminaten died and the the other guy took over Christian News,</v>

00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Harrison called him on the phone and said he was gonna hold</v>

00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:52.080
<v Speaker 3>him personally accountable for if he ever used Matt Harrison's name in</v>

00:37:52.080 --> 00:37:55.120
<v Speaker 3>vain. And because that man was a pastor, he was bound by</v>

00:37:55.120 --> 00:37:59.200
<v Speaker 3>it. Because Harrison has corporate control over pastors.</v>

00:37:59.200 --> 00:38:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Who doesn't Harrison control?</v>

00:38:01.120 --> 00:38:02.640
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't control layman.</v>

00:38:02.640 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Corey and I have no relationship to Matt Harrison whatsoever.</v>

00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:07.600
<v Speaker 3>He's some guy in St.</v>

00:38:07.600 --> 00:38:11.520
<v Speaker 3>Louis, he's controlling a church that we're members of, and he's doing</v>

00:38:11.520 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 3>evil things.</v>

00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.640
<v Speaker 3>That makes this our business and it makes this our problem.</v>

00:38:14.640 --> 00:38:17.120
<v Speaker 3>As Corey said at the beginning, all this stuff is playing out</v>

00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 3>in other churches too.</v>

00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:22.240
<v Speaker 3>And many it's already happened and some the LCMS is now further</v>

00:38:22.240 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 3>down this path of absolute abject destruction.</v>

00:38:25.600 --> 00:38:27.920
<v Speaker 3>We're not gonna take it silently.</v>

00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.440
<v Speaker 3>So that's why we're here to talk about what is happening.</v>

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.080
<v Speaker 3>And you know, if we were just shouting into the void and</v>

00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 3>no one was listening and nobody cared, Synod would have ignored us.</v>

00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 3>If no one heard what we were saying it we wouldn't matter.</v>

00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.120
<v Speaker 3>And honestly, that's kind of what I expected.</v>

00:38:43.120 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I expected as we built up this library of episodes, a few</v>

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 3>people at year and you know maybe m later on someone would</v>

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:50.560
<v Speaker 3>stumble across it.</v>

00:38:50.560 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 3>I never expected that we would be at the center of what</v>

00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 3>is bringing down Matt Harrison's evil administration.</v>

00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:57.600
<v Speaker 3>And yet here we are.</v>

00:38:57.600 --> 00:38:59.600
<v Speaker 3>This is what God is using us for, and I thank him</v>

00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:00.080
<v Speaker 3>for it.</v>

00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 3>And I thank him for every amount of hatred poured out by</v>

00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 3>all these pastors because it proves that everything that we're describing to</v>

00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 3>you is true and correct and it is in service to God.</v>

00:39:10.160 --> 00:39:15.600
<v Speaker 2>And so part of our response to what we've just described was</v>

00:39:15.600 --> 00:39:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the episode Here we Stand, which we published on the 25th of</v>

00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:24.160
<v Speaker 2>January. And in that episode we pointed out that we aren't going</v>

00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>anywhere. We are Lutherans and we are going to remain Lutherans because</v>

00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.080
<v Speaker 2>we actually take our conversation</v>

00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.320
<v Speaker 2>oath seriously.</v>

00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 2>The confirmation oath for those who are unfamiliar with the Lutheran rite</v>

00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>of confirmation is do you intend to continue steadfast in this confession</v>

00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>and church and to suffer all, even death, rather than fall away</v>

00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>from it.</v>

00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And so every single confirmed Lutheran has said yes to that.</v>

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Every Lutheran has publicly stated that his position is that he will</v>

00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>suffer all even death before falling away from the Lutheran confession in</v>

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.240
<v Speaker 2>the Lutheran Church?</v>

00:40:02.240 --> 00:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>We took that seriously, we take that seriously.</v>

00:40:05.120 --> 00:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>And so we aren't going anywhere we're going to remain Lutheran.</v>

00:40:07.600 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>We made that point very clear in that episode.</v>

00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 3>One of the reasons that we did that episode was that a</v>

00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of people were asking us in the wake of the large</v>

00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.520
<v Speaker 3>cataclysm, why are you guys staying in this church body?</v>

00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Why don't you leave?</v>

00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:23.600
<v Speaker 3>In fact, that's something that's been asked to us personally directly.</v>

00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Everyone involved in that stream were told by their pastors, why don't</v>

00:40:27.200 --> 00:40:28.960
<v Speaker 3>you guys just leave if you don't like it?</v>

00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Why don't you just disavow the vow that you took to God</v>

00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.680
<v Speaker 3>and before God to remain steadfast in the Lutheran church.</v>

00:40:37.680 --> 00:40:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Lutheran pastors saying, you guys should just leave, just go away.</v>

00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Even knowing that according to Lutheran doctrine, the word is not properly</v>

00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.640
<v Speaker 3>preached and the sacraments are not properly administered in other denominations, these</v>

00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:53.520
<v Speaker 3>pastors would basically send us through the wolves and say, you guys</v>

00:40:53.520 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 3>should leave.</v>

00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 3>You should go somewhere else.</v>

00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:56.720
<v Speaker 3>I think that's stark.</v>

00:40:56.720 --> 00:41:01.600
<v Speaker 3>I think we are a pastor and someone has doctrinal concerns.</v>

00:41:01.600 --> 00:41:06.160
<v Speaker 3>If your knee-jerk response is why don't you just go somewhere else?</v>

00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:08.720
<v Speaker 3>I would submit to you that you're not a shepherd.</v>

00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.840
<v Speaker 3>That you're you're basically a spiritual assassin.</v>

00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 3>And some of the men who said that weren't actually evil men,</v>

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.080
<v Speaker 3>but and it was it was an honest inquisition, but we we</v>

00:41:18.080 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 3>did the episode specifically to say where else can we go?</v>

00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.680
<v Speaker 3>This is sound doctrine that's being attacked from within the church.</v>

00:41:25.680 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 3>It's not that the church doesn't hold true doctrine, is that those</v>

00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 3>in the church attempting to subvert it are destroying the doctrine that</v>

00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.600
<v Speaker 3>we hold to.</v>

00:41:33.600 --> 00:41:36.240
<v Speaker 3>So we're not going to go somewhere else when other places don't</v>

00:41:36.240 --> 00:41:38.240
<v Speaker 3>hold to sound doctrine in the first place.</v>

00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:41.600
<v Speaker 3>We're going to fight for our church where that doctrine should be</v>

00:41:41.600 --> 00:41:44.480
<v Speaker 3>preserved because we know through time it has been.</v>

00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:47.200
<v Speaker 3>And if God is with us, it will be here.</v>

00:41:47.600 --> 00:41:49.680
<v Speaker 2>That was exactly what I was going to point out.</v>

00:41:49.680 --> 00:41:53.200
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to go anywhere because the Lutheran Church has the</v>

00:41:53.200 --> 00:41:58.160
<v Speaker 2>most correct doctrine and our confirmation oath binds our consciences.</v>

00:41:58.160 --> 00:42:02.160
<v Speaker 2>We are going to remain Lutheran to the end, regardless of what</v>

00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:04.880
<v Speaker 2>may happen to the institutional Lutheran Church in the interim</v>

00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>And so following on, we have</v>

00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.040
<v Speaker 2>the first meeting of Ash with his pastor.</v>

00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.080
<v Speaker 3>It was a meeting in like passing in the Narthex sense.</v>

00:42:16.080 --> 00:42:18.720
<v Speaker 3>So Ash told his pastor that he had been involved in the</v>

00:42:18.720 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 3>large cataclysm, specifically the the thread and the video stream.</v>

00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.680
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to let him know that he expected there would be</v>

00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:30.160
<v Speaker 3>some pushback and he didn't want his pastor to be blindsided by</v>

00:42:30.160 --> 00:42:34.080
<v Speaker 3>his online activities and his he offered to give him his Twitter</v>

00:42:34.160 --> 00:42:36.080
<v Speaker 3>and his pastor's like I'm not interested.</v>

00:42:36.080 --> 00:42:38.400
<v Speaker 3>In fact his I believe his pastor and elders said we've got</v>

00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.160
<v Speaker 3>your back effectively.</v>

00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 3>And Ryan Turnipseed, I don't remember the date, but he had a</v>

00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 3>almost verbatim conversation with his own pastor.</v>

00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.120
<v Speaker 3>His pastor is even more disinterested.</v>

00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:53.440
<v Speaker 3>And so immediately after doing the stream, two of the men said,</v>

00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.240
<v Speaker 3>Hey, to their pastors, there might be some blowback.</v>

00:42:56.240 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 3>I want you to know what I'm doing.</v>

00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 3>I did it in but good conscience.</v>

00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.240
<v Speaker 3>If you have questions, pastors like we don't want to know, we</v>

00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:03.200
<v Speaker 3>have no questions.</v>

00:43:03.200 --> 00:43:04.560
<v Speaker 3>You're our parishioner, whatever.</v>

00:43:04.720 --> 00:43:05.840
<v Speaker 3>do what you're gonna do.</v>

00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.680
<v Speaker 3>So the pastors were completely disinterested in the idea of layman speaking</v>

00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:11.600
<v Speaker 3>to doctrine online.</v>

00:43:11.600 --> 00:43:14.640
<v Speaker 3>They had no pastoral concern about though whatsoever.</v>

00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:16.560
<v Speaker 3>And that's going to come up later.</v>

00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.680
<v Speaker 2>This is probably a good place to point out.</v>

00:43:19.680 --> 00:43:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to mention all the times that I have met</v>

00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>with or talked to my pastor because that would be ridiculous.</v>

00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I've had coffee with him, I've been over to his house, etc.</v>

00:43:30.560 --> 00:43:36.160
<v Speaker 2>And so all throughout this, my pastor was made aware of my</v>

00:43:36.160 --> 00:43:39.520
<v Speaker 2>online activity and all of these various things.</v>

00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:42.240
<v Speaker 2>So none of this was a blind side for him.</v>

00:43:42.240 --> 00:43:45.680
<v Speaker 2>He was not taken unawares by these things.</v>

00:43:45.680 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't want to give that impression by not listing</v>

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.680
<v Speaker 2>all of the times that I have talked to him.</v>

00:43:51.680 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>As I said, I've had coffee with him a number of times,</v>

00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 2>been over to his house, etc., so just bear that in mind.</v>

00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to list them all here because it would be</v>

00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 2>silly. But moving on from there, the next salient episode</v>

00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:11.600
<v Speaker 2>of this podcast is The Enemy's Playbook, and that was published on</v>

00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the first of February.</v>

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:18.640
<v Speaker 2>That is the one where basically we went over how Marxists subvert</v>

00:44:18.640 --> 00:44:24.160
<v Speaker 2>institutions, how they take over organizations, just how these things work.</v>

00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:29.520
<v Speaker 2>We went over Satan's playbook, and those who are paying attention, you</v>

00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:34.800
<v Speaker 2>will see exactly that happening in this timeline of events because</v>

00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the LCMS leadership and others are following Satan's playbook.</v>

00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Because they are serving Satan.</v>

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>They're just following their master's playbook.</v>

00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And so if you don't remember that podcast, don't remember the content</v>

00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of that one, maybe go back and listen to that one after</v>

00:44:54.560 --> 00:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>this one, and you will see exactly Exactly that playbook being put</v>

00:45:01.520 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 2>into action in this timeline.</v>

00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:10.080
<v Speaker 3>The salient fact from that is basically one line.</v>

00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Alinsky's rules for radicals is Satan's playbook, and Alinsky 13 says verbatim,</v>

00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:21.040
<v Speaker 3>pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it, cut off</v>

00:45:21.040 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 3>the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.</v>

00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Go after people and not institutions.</v>

00:45:26.720 --> 00:45:29.200
<v Speaker 3>People hurt faster than institutions.</v>

00:45:29.200 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Everything that has happened subsequent to the exposure of the pedophilia advocacy</v>

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:41.520
<v Speaker 3>in the large cataclysm is specifically focused primarily around Corey because he</v>

00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:43.040
<v Speaker 3>is not pseudonymous.</v>

00:45:43.040 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 3>So he was the easiest, most prominent target.</v>

00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.760
<v Speaker 3>I am equally targeted, but because my name was not known at</v>

00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.760
<v Speaker 3>the time to synod, they couldn't come after me personally, so they</v>

00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.240
<v Speaker 3>have very closely and very assiduously followed Olinsky Rule 13.</v>

00:45:58.240 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 3>They pick Corey completely isolated him, made him persona non-grata.</v>

00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.560
<v Speaker 3>That was a very deliberate, very conscious, very satanic act by Synod.</v>

00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 3>And we knew it was coming.</v>

00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 3>We didn't know to what degree.</v>

00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:12.480
<v Speaker 3>We didn't know what the details were going to be.</v>

00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.720
<v Speaker 3>But the reason that the very next episode we did was about</v>

00:46:14.720 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Alinsky's rules, because we knew we were dealing with satanic men.</v>

00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.600
<v Speaker 3>We knew based on the content of the large cataclysm itself that</v>

00:46:23.600 --> 00:46:26.960
<v Speaker 3>we were dealing with demons, we were not dealing with Christians, we</v>

00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 3>were not dealing with disputes about doctrine and you know, maybe it</v>

00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 3>could go either way.</v>

00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.240
<v Speaker 3>We were dealing with Satan himself.</v>

00:46:34.240 --> 00:46:37.040
<v Speaker 3>And everything that's happened since then has confirmed that we were absolutely</v>

00:46:37.040 --> 00:46:39.600
<v Speaker 3>correct. So if you go back and listen to that episode, and</v>

00:46:39.600 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 3>it's worth listening to, particularly in light of the context of this</v>

00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.400
<v Speaker 3>episode and the subs in all of these events, you can clearly</v>

00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.400
<v Speaker 3>see that it seems prophetic.</v>

00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Like all the stuff we talked about happened, and it wasn't we're</v>

00:46:51.600 --> 00:46:54.080
<v Speaker 3>brilliant and it wasn't we have some sort of vision.</v>

00:46:54.080 --> 00:46:55.840
<v Speaker 3>It's Satan's playbook.</v>

00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.240
<v Speaker 3>We knew we were up against Satan, so he he just did</v>

00:46:58.240 --> 00:46:59.520
<v Speaker 3>what he always does.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>To flesh out your comments about why they targeted me, part of</v>

00:47:03.680 --> 00:47:06.400
<v Speaker 2>it, yes, is that I'm very public.</v>

00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.760
<v Speaker 2>My accounts are all my name, my website is my name, my</v>

00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.040
<v Speaker 2>profile picture is my literal profile picture.</v>

00:47:13.040 --> 00:47:16.720
<v Speaker 2>You and Ash are pseudonymous, you are much more difficult for them</v>

00:47:16.720 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to target, although Synod, of course, knows who both of you are,</v>

00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:22.160
<v Speaker 2>but</v>

00:47:23.040 --> 00:47:27.120
<v Speaker 2>outright doxing you in order to pursue you makes them look worse,</v>

00:47:27.120 --> 00:47:31.040
<v Speaker 2>so we know they have your dox, they've held back because probably</v>

00:47:31.040 --> 00:47:34.720
<v Speaker 2>because attorneys got involved, not because they were necessarily bright enough to</v>

00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>figure out strategically what they should or shouldn't do, but attorneys may</v>

00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>have mentioned to them that there is potential liability here.</v>

00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And of course in the case of Ryan who is again, as</v>

00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>I am, not pseudonymous, well it looks bad when you're targeting someone</v>

00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>as young as Ryan.</v>

00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.200
<v Speaker 2>And so they they didn't like the optics of that.</v>

00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:56.080
<v Speaker 2>And of course there are more inflammatory things that I've posted and</v>

00:47:56.080 --> 00:47:57.920
<v Speaker 2>so it makes it easier to target me.</v>

00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I knew that.</v>

00:47:58.640 --> 00:48:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I know that every time I post.</v>

00:48:00.640 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And so that's why they've gone after me.</v>

00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately for them, I don't really care, and I'm not a good</v>

00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.960
<v Speaker 2>person to target because I will hit back.</v>

00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.880
<v Speaker 2>But moving on from that episode, the enemy's playbook to the resumption</v>

00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.160
<v Speaker 2>of the distribution of the large cataclysm, the pedochism, whatever we want</v>

00:48:20.160 --> 00:48:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to call it, literally the next day, the second of February.</v>

00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>And Harrison resumed it.</v>

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:28.240
<v Speaker 2>And</v>

00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>as part of that resumption, he said that he deplored the unchristian</v>

00:48:33.680 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>attacks against the annotated large catechism and its authors.</v>

00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 2>And so he doubled down.</v>

00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:46.240
<v Speaker 2>He is now he was before, but he is now 100% responsible</v>

00:48:46.240 --> 00:48:50.080
<v Speaker 2>for the content and has stamped it with his stamp of approval</v>

00:48:50.080 --> 00:48:52.080
<v Speaker 2>multiple times.</v>

00:48:52.080 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>We have been able to confirm that this collection of essays not</v>

00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.720
<v Speaker 2>only went through CTCR, which is the standard process for anything that</v>

00:49:00.720 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 2>is doctrinal and published by CPH.</v>

00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.720
<v Speaker 2>It has to go through a review process, but it went through</v>

00:49:06.720 --> 00:49:13.040
<v Speaker 2>the review process with the CTCR, CPH's review process, and Harrison's office.</v>

00:49:13.040 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>This is 100% stamped and approved by the LCMS leadership top to</v>

00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.680
<v Speaker 2>bottom. And that includes the VPs.</v>

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:27.040
<v Speaker 3>He reiterated that when he re-introduced the publication, when he said, I</v>

00:49:27.040 --> 00:49:31.120
<v Speaker 3>deplore the unchristian attacks, he also commended it to every Lutheran to</v>

00:49:31.120 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 3>every Christian.</v>

00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.520
<v Speaker 3>You should read this, you're gonna love it.</v>

00:49:33.520 --> 00:49:36.160
<v Speaker 3>All this stuff about pedophilia, it's it's great, you're gonna love it</v>

00:49:36.160 --> 00:49:36.400
<v Speaker 3>all.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So the large, the annotated, large catechism is the official doctrinal position</v>

00:49:43.200 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 2>of the LCMS.</v>

00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Regardless of any comments they have made to the contrary, it has</v>

00:49:48.240 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 2>been approved by Matt Harrison, it has been approved by the CTCR,</v>

00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>it has been approved by members of the seminaries.</v>

00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it has by CTS as well, not just Saint Louis.</v>

00:49:58.880 --> 00:49:59.040
Well

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<v Speaker 3>yeah, Rast, Larry Rast, the president.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Yes.</v>

00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Rast is president of the Four Wayne Seminary.</v>

00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:11.200
<v Speaker 3>He's also I I believe he's the present pro tem of CTCR.</v>

00:50:11.200 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 3>He was directly and personally involved.</v>

00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 3>And we're not going to get the specific details of his personal</v>

00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 3>life, but suffice it to say that these changes in doctrine surrounding</v>

00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:26.320
<v Speaker 3>sexuality that are pushed in the large cataclysm are in many cases</v>

00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 3>self defense of Matt Harrison's personal friends, whose own families have fallen</v>

00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.040
<v Speaker 3>into sexual sin that needs to be papered over.</v>

00:50:35.040 --> 00:50:38.800
<v Speaker 3>So it's not simply that they're changing doctrine to be more worldly,</v>

00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:44.080
<v Speaker 3>is that they're changing doctrine because their own family and friends have</v>

00:50:44.160 --> 00:50:48.480
<v Speaker 3>fallen into sin, to demonic possession and depravity.</v>

00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 3>And they're trying to cover for them.</v>

00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:52.960
<v Speaker 3>They're trying to say, well, let's just have a lot of love</v>

00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 3>for this.</v>

00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:54.640
<v Speaker 3>We don't want any law.</v>

00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 3>We might scare people away with the law.</v>

00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 3>So the personnel involved, while we're not going to mention them here</v>

00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:04.240
<v Speaker 3>specifically, it's not a coincidence that many of these things are present.</v>

00:51:04.240 --> 00:51:07.920
<v Speaker 3>The men involved knew who they were providing cover for when they</v>

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:08.880
<v Speaker 3>said these things.</v>

00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:08.960
The

00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>same with regard to Harrison and his family and some of the</v>

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:17.200
<v Speaker 2>comments in the small catechism previous to the re released large catechism.</v>

00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of mercenary actions going on in all of this.</v>

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:29.600
<v Speaker 2>But after the resumption of the distribution of the annotated large catechism,</v>

00:51:29.600 --> 00:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>we'll take a sort of detour here to briefly mention something that</v>

00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:40.480
<v Speaker 2>is tangentially related and becomes more relevant actually by the day.</v>

00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:46.720
<v Speaker 2>But on the seventh of February, Chris Rosebro, who goes by Pirate</v>

00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Christian on various social media platforms.</v>

00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.880
<v Speaker 2>He has a discernment ministry so called.</v>

00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 2>He is also an online pastor who consecrates the sacrament, as much</v>

00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.120
<v Speaker 2>as it pains me even to say those words in that order,</v>

00:52:01.120 --> 00:52:05.040
<v Speaker 2>who supposedly consecrates the sacrament over the internet.</v>

00:52:05.040 --> 00:52:10.000
<v Speaker 2>But he registers a website called Operation Valkyrie.</v>

00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Do not visit that website.</v>

00:52:12.160 --> 00:52:14.880
<v Speaker 2>If you want to look at any of the articles, make sure</v>

00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:16.400
<v Speaker 2>to use an archive link.</v>

00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.720
<v Speaker 2>You can find those various places.</v>

00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:23.920
<v Speaker 2>They've been shared on Twitter by various individuals who are mutuals with</v>

00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:27.360
<v Speaker 2>us. Do not go there directly, it will dox you.</v>

00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:31.280
<v Speaker 2>If you're not worried about that, then I guess that's on you.</v>

00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 2>But at any rate, this is an operation that he is conducting</v>

00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:36.720
<v Speaker 2>with his son.</v>

00:52:36.720 --> 00:52:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know for absolute certainty that he registered it, it may</v>

00:52:40.160 --> 00:52:41.280
<v Speaker 2>have been someone close to him.</v>

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 2>But at any rate, Rosebro controls this, and his son is one</v>

00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of the authors on this site.</v>

00:52:49.040 --> 00:52:52.640
<v Speaker 3>What's notable about the date is that when this was registered on</v>

00:52:52.640 --> 00:52:53.840
<v Speaker 3>February seventh, we had no idea.</v>

00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Because he didn't do anything with it for a couple months.</v>

00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.320
<v Speaker 3>So this is one of the few elements of this timeline where</v>

00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:05.040
<v Speaker 3>as we plug it back in retroactively, once we discovered it, a</v>

00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:07.200
<v Speaker 3>whole lot of things downstream click.</v>

00:53:07.200 --> 00:53:09.840
<v Speaker 3>So at the time we didn't know because he wasn't using this</v>

00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:11.600
<v Speaker 3>blog to come after us.</v>

00:53:11.600 --> 00:53:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Subsequently he said sometime I think like beginning of April roughly that</v>

00:53:16.080 --> 00:53:20.080
<v Speaker 3>he had been doing this operation for a couple months specifically coming</v>

00:53:20.080 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 3>after us.</v>

00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:27.680
<v Speaker 3>So the relevance of him registering Operation Valkyrie on February 7th is</v>

00:53:27.680 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 3>that</v>

00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 3>he was doing things behind the scenes in secret, targeting Stone Choir.</v>

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.280
<v Speaker 3>And the big reveal was a couple months later.</v>

00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.120
<v Speaker 3>And it's very clearly his own blog.</v>

00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 3>He has yet to take credit for it personally and publicly, but</v>

00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:43.760
<v Speaker 3>he's the only one who's boosted it.</v>

00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.440
<v Speaker 3>He's the first one who boosts it has his fingerprints all over</v>

00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 3>it. He's writing for it.</v>

00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Chris is, his son is Josh, and uh probably a couple other</v>

00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.640
<v Speaker 3>pastors are writing for it as well.</v>

00:53:54.640 --> 00:53:58.080
<v Speaker 3>His friends, so it's it's their blog that was literally stood up</v>

00:53:58.080 --> 00:54:03.120
<v Speaker 3>to attack Stonequire, to attack layman and another Senate, 'cause we're LCMS,</v>

00:54:03.120 --> 00:54:06.400
<v Speaker 3>he's AALC, but that's part of the reason we told the story</v>

00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:11.200
<v Speaker 3>about Jordan and these these AALC connections that go back for years.</v>

00:54:11.200 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 3>So So we didn't know at the time that this had occurred,</v>

00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.840
<v Speaker 3>but later on it becomes very relevant.</v>

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And

00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:21.680
<v Speaker 2>so basically he's just publishing articles attempting to rebut things that we've</v>

00:54:21.680 --> 00:54:24.000
<v Speaker 2>said. They aren't worth reading.</v>

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.480
<v Speaker 2>If you want to laugh, I guess go read them, but the</v>

00:54:26.720 --> 00:54:32.160
<v Speaker 2>more salient thing here is that the name they chose really reveals</v>

00:54:32.160 --> 00:54:33.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot about them.</v>

00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Those who are familiar with World War II will perhaps recognize Operation</v>

00:54:39.520 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Valkyrie. It actually has multiple senses in that context.</v>

00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:47.120
<v Speaker 2>It was the name of the continuity of government operation for the</v>

00:54:47.120 --> 00:54:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Third Reich, but it was also the name of the July twentieth</v>

00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Plot, which was an attempt to assassinate Adolf Hitler and overthrow</v>

00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the Third Reich government by a coup d'etat.</v>

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.040
<v Speaker 2>And so you've probably seen the picture.</v>

00:55:05.040 --> 00:55:10.640
<v Speaker 2>There was the use of an explosive to completely level a conference</v>

00:55:10.640 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>room, but Hitler was saved by the particularly thick table leg, and</v>

00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>so he just had damage to his eardrums and such, but he</v>

00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 2>survived. But the reason it's relevant here is because that is how</v>

00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:26.320
<v Speaker 2>these gentlemen see themselves.</v>

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.920
<v Speaker 2>They believe that they're part of some sort of resistance movement attempting</v>

00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to overthrow I don't know, apparently I'm an evil dictator, despite the</v>

00:55:33.520 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 2>fact that I don't control anything other than my own garden.</v>

00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 2>But apparently their goal is to destroy evil as they see it,</v>

00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and I am that evil And so is woe, and so is</v>

00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:50.080
<v Speaker 2>anyone who is objected to these materials.</v>

00:55:50.560 --> 00:55:52.400
<v Speaker 3>It's much more explicit than that.</v>

00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.720
<v Speaker 3>They celebrate murdering Nazis.</v>

00:55:54.720 --> 00:55:57.360
<v Speaker 3>And then, oh, by the way, separately they say that we are</v>

00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Nazis. So at least once a week you'll see multiple pastors on</v>

00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Twitter joking about murdering Nazis, celebrating murdering Nazis, saying that murdering Nazis</v>

00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.400
<v Speaker 3>is basically one of the highest forms of a good work that</v>

00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.000
<v Speaker 3>any Christian can do.</v>

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:17.040
<v Speaker 3>And then the same day or the next day they'll say Corey</v>

00:56:17.040 --> 00:56:20.160
<v Speaker 3>is a Nazi, I am a Nazi, our friends are Nazis.</v>

00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:23.120
<v Speaker 3>Anyone who believes what we believe about X, Y, and Z are</v>

00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Nazis. The connection between we're gonna murder Nazis and these laymen are</v>

00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Nazis cannot be dismissed.</v>

00:56:32.160 --> 00:56:34.960
<v Speaker 2>They're just taking a page out of the playbook of the left.</v>

00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:38.080
<v Speaker 2>The left has been doing this for years where anyone who is</v>

00:56:38.080 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 2>right of ex arbitrary individual or position is a Nazi because that</v>

00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:47.440
<v Speaker 2>is the level of political discourse in the modern West West, that</v>

00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:51.520
<v Speaker 2>if you're to the right of this arbitrary position, you're a Nazi</v>

00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.640
<v Speaker 2>and it is always good to murder Nazis.</v>

00:56:54.640 --> 00:56:57.520
<v Speaker 2>In fact, you can't murder a Nazi, you can only kill him,</v>

00:56:57.520 --> 00:57:00.400
<v Speaker 2>if they were smart enough to actually distinguish those terms.</v>

00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 2>But that's what's happening here.</v>

00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:05.280
<v Speaker 2>They're just adopting that playbook, that page from the playbook of the</v>

00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:10.080
<v Speaker 2>left, because again, same master.</v>

00:57:10.080 --> 00:57:12.080
<v Speaker 2>But here is an interesting part.</v>

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Three days later, so note that Rosebros starts his little Operation Valkyrie</v>

00:57:17.680 --> 00:57:19.520
<v Speaker 2>thing on the seventh.</v>

00:57:19.520 --> 00:57:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Three days later on the tenth, Antifa poses my</v>

00:57:25.600 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>summary of, I guess, my bio and a dox attempt on me.</v>

00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Some of the information is doxing, a lot of the information is</v>

00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:35.760
<v Speaker 2>already public.</v>

00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.600
<v Speaker 2>But it's not the point that the information in some cases already</v>

00:57:39.600 --> 00:57:43.600
<v Speaker 2>public. The point is the goal of what is being done here.</v>

00:57:43.600 --> 00:57:46.400
<v Speaker 2>This is the isolation freeze targeting.</v>

00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>This is the Alinskyite tactics that you see in action here.</v>

00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:54.560
<v Speaker 2>And pastors are some of the first ones to pick up and</v>

00:57:54.560 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>run with this.</v>

00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.280
<v Speaker 2>There are pastors who follow this account on Twitter, there are pastors</v>

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:03.680
<v Speaker 2>who promote this stuff, there are pastors who share this information, and</v>

00:58:03.680 --> 00:58:04.880
<v Speaker 2>this becomes</v>

00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of a proxy, an excuse for some of the things that</v>

00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:15.680
<v Speaker 2>happen with my pastor, former pastor, and congregation, and that will then</v>

00:58:15.680 --> 00:58:17.520
<v Speaker 2>continue to happen to others.</v>

00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:21.120
<v Speaker 2>They haven't doxed anyone else yet, but that does not mean that</v>

00:58:21.120 --> 00:58:22.800
<v Speaker 2>they will not do so.</v>

00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Notably, this is the same tactic that was employed against Super Lutheran,</v>

00:58:28.720 --> 00:58:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and in that case, they actually tagged Jordan Cooper at the end</v>

00:58:33.600 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 2>of that thread, tacitly acknowledging his links to antifa groups.</v>

00:58:40.080 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 3>And there were things that happened specifically to Super with personal information</v>

00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:48.320
<v Speaker 3>that could not have come from outside the AELC.</v>

00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.760
<v Speaker 3>And that's the case as well with what's in the Makira action</v>

00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:53.200
<v Speaker 3>docs of Corey.</v>

00:58:53.200 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 3>When they list several of my previous Twitter accounts, previous pseudonyms, there's</v>

00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.520
<v Speaker 3>no way that my current account could be tied to those in</v>

00:59:01.520 --> 00:59:04.960
<v Speaker 3>a way that Antifa would have had access.</v>

00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Because Antifa was clearly not following me for years, not this group</v>

00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:09.040
<v Speaker 3>of Antifa.</v>

00:59:09.040 --> 00:59:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Others have.</v>

00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 3>But this particular group, which is primarily based out of Portland with</v>

00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.760
<v Speaker 3>direct connections to Italy somehow, uh maybe they're crypto fascists, that'd be</v>

00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:23.840
<v Speaker 3>exciting. They specifically include details that could only have possibly come from</v>

00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Lutheran pastors.</v>

00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.840
<v Speaker 3>And the blog that they're using, to be explicit, the the URL</v>

00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 3>that the Makaira Action blog is on, the only possible way you</v>

00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:38.880
<v Speaker 3>can have a blog on that is if you are vetted in</v>

00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and by Antifa.</v>

00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:41.840
<v Speaker 3>There's no other possible way.</v>

00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.720
<v Speaker 3>So it's not, we're not talking about Blog Spot.</v>

00:59:44.720 --> 00:59:48.880
<v Speaker 3>It's a specific Antifa hosting company with Antifa DNS.</v>

00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Everything about it is 100% vetted Antifa.</v>

00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:58.080
<v Speaker 3>And the information on it came in part from Lutheran pastors.</v>

00:59:58.080 --> 01:00:01.600
<v Speaker 3>And so when two months later, Crisp said, I've been working on</v>

01:00:01.600 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 3>this operation for months, and he sets up his domain before Makira</v>

01:00:06.640 --> 01:00:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Action drops their docs on Corey and one of his uh friends</v>

01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:13.120
<v Speaker 3>at his church.</v>

01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:19.600
<v Speaker 3>that's speculative, that's circumstantial, but in full view of everything else, there's</v>

01:00:19.600 --> 01:00:22.560
<v Speaker 3>no doubt in my mind that the two are directly linked.</v>

01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I would agree completely.</v>

01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Because we've seen this before, we've seen it play out.</v>

01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:32.800
<v Speaker 2>We've seen this connection between Antifa and individuals, supposedly in the Lutheran</v>

01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Church, who have the explicit goal of moving the Lutheran Church to</v>

01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the left, of basically turning the LCMS and insofar as it's not</v>

01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 2>already there, the AALC, into just another ELK.</v>

01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:51.600
<v Speaker 2>And so the follow-on from this docs, as I said it was</v>

01:00:51.600 --> 01:00:54.720
<v Speaker 2>going to be used as an excuse, and here's the use of</v>

01:00:54.720 --> 01:00:59.600
<v Speaker 2>it as an excuse on the following Sunday, two days later, the</v>

01:00:59.600 --> 01:01:05.920
<v Speaker 2>twelfth, my pastor comes up to me after I believe he told</v>

01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>me before the service, very briefly mentioned it as I walked in,</v>

01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and then I talked to him afterward because we had a potluck</v>

01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:18.320
<v Speaker 2>after the service, so I talked to him then.</v>

01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:21.120
<v Speaker 2>He told me there was going to be a meeting, an elders</v>

01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:24.720
<v Speaker 2>meeting, and I was to attend it, and that was on the</v>

01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 2>following day on Monday.</v>

01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So I provided him with some links to make sure that he</v>

01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.920
<v Speaker 2>was well informed what was going on.</v>

01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:37.120
<v Speaker 2>I linked to the Antifa dox notably through an archive so that</v>

01:01:37.120 --> 01:01:41.600
<v Speaker 2>it would not dox him and some of the stone choir materials</v>

01:01:41.600 --> 01:01:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and things so that he would be ready for this meeting and</v>

01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:48.480
<v Speaker 2>have a better idea of what was going on.</v>

01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Whether or not he read those, I don't know.</v>

01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I suspect that many of those who were present at the meeting</v>

01:01:55.120 --> 01:01:56.720
<v Speaker 2>did not read those.</v>

01:01:56.720 --> 01:02:01.600
<v Speaker 2>And so Monday, the next day, the elders' meeting took place.</v>

01:02:01.600 --> 01:02:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Now, of course, I was not informed of the nature of the</v>

01:02:04.560 --> 01:02:06.880
<v Speaker 2>meeting, I was just told there was going to be a meeting</v>

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I needed to be present.</v>

01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't told who was going to be present, what the subject</v>

01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:16.080
<v Speaker 2>was, I wasn't provided any information.</v>

01:02:16.080 --> 01:02:18.800
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I show up to this meeting, and</v>

01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:24.160
<v Speaker 2>before we get to the meeting itself, just as an interesting aside,</v>

01:02:24.080 --> 01:02:27.840
<v Speaker 2>something that is worth noting, and for those who pay close attention</v>

01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.040
<v Speaker 2>to these things in life, this is salient.</v>

01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:35.360
<v Speaker 2>The day before the front door of the church broke, and so</v>

01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.760
<v Speaker 2>everyone who attended this meeting had to enter through a small door</v>

01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:43.680
<v Speaker 2>on the back of the church building that's practically hidden by bushes.</v>

01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't think I even knew it was there before this</v>

01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.560
<v Speaker 2>meeting. But after entering through this narrow little hallway on the back</v>

01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:53.760
<v Speaker 2>side of the church, I went to the the meeting room where</v>

01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:55.760
<v Speaker 2>we usually have Bible studies and such.</v>

01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 2>And as it turns out, it was actually the elder board, Pastor</v>

01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Graves, who is the circuit visitor for for Mid South, Pastor Manham,</v>

01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:12.480
<v Speaker 2>my former pastor, and it was not a meeting, because a meeting</v>

01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.560
<v Speaker 2>is a coming together of various individuals for the discussion of certain</v>

01:03:16.560 --> 01:03:19.120
<v Speaker 2>subjects, that is just the definition of a meeting.</v>

01:03:19.120 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 2>There was no discussion.</v>

01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I had no chance to respond to anything.</v>

01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:28.720
<v Speaker 2>There was simply a reading of charges against me by Pastor Manham,</v>

01:03:28.720 --> 01:03:33.520
<v Speaker 2>and then I was told to leave.</v>

01:03:33.520 --> 01:03:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I was not even provided with a copy of the charges.</v>

01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I asked for that.</v>

01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.960
<v Speaker 2>One of the other pastors in attendance notably did stage a very</v>

01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.960
<v Speaker 2>ineffectual, but I will give him credit where credit is due.</v>

01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.920
<v Speaker 2>He did say that I should have been provided with something and</v>

01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:51.680
<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't entirely appropriate.</v>

01:03:51.680 --> 01:03:56.400
<v Speaker 2>He was very quickly shut down by Graves, who is the circuit</v>

01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.280
<v Speaker 2>visitor, who is directly connected to Senate, who is one of the</v>

01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:01.680
<v Speaker 2>individuals who is very clearly pushing this.</v>

01:04:01.680 --> 01:04:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it came to him directly from Senate or</v>

01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:06.160
<v Speaker 2>if it came through the district president.</v>

01:04:06.160 --> 01:04:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Most likely it came through the district president, who is Pavla.</v>

01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.600
<v Speaker 2>You may notice that name, his son is on Twitter and active</v>

01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and posts things that are in keeping with the other pastors we've</v>

01:04:17.200 --> 01:04:19.360
<v Speaker 2>mentioned so far.</v>

01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:25.360
<v Speaker 2>But that is essentially where I was told that very clearly their</v>

01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:28.320
<v Speaker 2>goal was going to be to excommunicate me.</v>

01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:32.240
<v Speaker 2>They didn't explicitly say it at the time, because they didn't really</v>

01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:34.480
<v Speaker 2>tell me anything other than the reading of the charges and then</v>

01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:35.760
<v Speaker 2>telling me to leave the property.</v>

01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:40.560
<v Speaker 3>It's worth noting with regard to hierarchy for anyone who's not familiar</v>

01:04:40.560 --> 01:04:43.520
<v Speaker 3>with even in the LCMS, I think a lot of people don't</v>

01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:44.640
<v Speaker 3>know this.</v>

01:04:44.640 --> 01:04:46.960
<v Speaker 3>The LCMS has a president.</v>

01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Beneath the president are district presidents.</v>

01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:52.720
<v Speaker 3>I think they're like thirty-one of them roughly, if I remember correctly.</v>

01:04:52.720 --> 01:04:56.320
<v Speaker 3>And then within the districts, those are divided into circuits.</v>

01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:00.960
<v Speaker 3>And so the lowest form of hierarchy in the Missouri Synod is</v>

01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:02.240
<v Speaker 3>the circuit visitor.</v>

01:05:02.240 --> 01:05:05.840
<v Speaker 3>It's a pastor who doesn't directly have authority, but he kind of</v>

01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.720
<v Speaker 3>has supervisory duties.</v>

01:05:08.720 --> 01:05:12.240
<v Speaker 3>And so the presence of a circuit visitor at any of these</v>

01:05:12.240 --> 01:05:12.640
<v Speaker 3>meetings</v>

01:05:13.680 --> 01:05:19.360
<v Speaker 3>implicitly involves synod hierarchy, which was also explicit in this case and</v>

01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:20.400
<v Speaker 3>in the other cases.</v>

01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:23.920
<v Speaker 3>But it's worth noting that when we say circuit visitor or circuit</v>

01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:28.560
<v Speaker 3>pastor, we're talking about someone who is there as a representative of</v>

01:05:28.560 --> 01:05:30.160
<v Speaker 3>LCMS corporate.</v>

01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:32.640
<v Speaker 3>It's not just a pastor, it's not just another witness.</v>

01:05:32.640 --> 01:05:37.040
<v Speaker 3>It is a man who is an agent of the LCMS corporation.</v>

01:05:37.040 --> 01:05:42.320
<v Speaker 3>So we're dealing with synod officials acting in their official capacity as</v>

01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Synod agents.</v>

01:05:43.680 --> 01:05:47.920
<v Speaker 2>And so after this meeting, I texted Pastor Manham as a sort</v>

01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:51.280
<v Speaker 2>of follow-up, and I stated that I had three requests.</v>

01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I again renewed my request for a copy of the charging document,</v>

01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.560
<v Speaker 2>as it is simply in keeping with good order to actually give</v>

01:05:58.560 --> 01:06:03.200
<v Speaker 2>the accused a copy of the document with the charges.</v>

01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Second Second, I asked him if he had an intent to get</v>

01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a restraining order against me as it was made fairly clear in</v>

01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the meeting that I was not particularly welcome at the church, particularly</v>

01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.080
<v Speaker 2>by one of the elders it was made very clear.</v>

01:06:18.080 --> 01:06:23.040
<v Speaker 2>And then the third request was a review of the charge because</v>

01:06:23.040 --> 01:06:27.120
<v Speaker 2>they did have a charge about Jordan Cooper and my comments about</v>

01:06:27.120 --> 01:06:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Cooper on social media.</v>

01:06:29.200 --> 01:06:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I asked for a review of that in light of the fact</v>

01:06:32.160 --> 01:06:38.400
<v Speaker 2>that Kilcrease had called Jordan Cooper an open heretic, because if one</v>

01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:43.360
<v Speaker 2>of the chief supposed theologians of the LCMS is calling a man</v>

01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:47.520
<v Speaker 2>an open heretic, I as a layman can hardly be faulted for</v>

01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:49.840
<v Speaker 2>saying the exact same thing.</v>

01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:50.080
And

01:06:50.080 --> 01:06:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Kilcrease's name is really important because he is one of the principal</v>

01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:57.040
<v Speaker 3>architects of the large cataclysm.</v>

01:06:57.040 --> 01:06:58.800
<v Speaker 3>He is on the CTCR.</v>

01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.440
<v Speaker 3>He was one of the men most directly involved with it, along</v>

01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:06.320
<v Speaker 3>with John Pless, who's very good old friends with Matt Harrison.</v>

01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.560
<v Speaker 3>In the immediate aftermath of the turnip stream and turnip seeds thread</v>

01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:15.600
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter, Jack Kilcrease lost his mind on Facebook.</v>

01:07:15.600 --> 01:07:20.880
<v Speaker 3>He began spreading insane slander about us, and he specifically said on</v>

01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Facebook that as soon as Matt got back from his Maui vacation</v>

01:07:25.120 --> 01:07:27.680
<v Speaker 3>that we ruined, he was going to get to and make sure</v>

01:07:27.680 --> 01:07:31.600
<v Speaker 3>that he understood that these men who were opposed to the patechism</v>

01:07:31.600 --> 01:07:33.200
<v Speaker 3>were n in fact Nazis.</v>

01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:38.880
<v Speaker 3>And that's precisely what Matt reiterated when he re-released the large cataclysm</v>

01:07:39.040 --> 01:07:42.640
<v Speaker 3>and he described the unchristian conduct by those men.</v>

01:07:42.640 --> 01:07:46.320
<v Speaker 3>That was the aftermath of Kilcrease getting to him.</v>

01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Now, that's important because Kilcrease's wife follows Antifa's blog.</v>

01:07:53.120 --> 01:07:58.320
<v Speaker 3>They follow Makira action, as well as Peter Slayton, who's the LCMS</v>

01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 3>social media manager.</v>

01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Now, interesting thing about Slayton's following is far as we can tell,</v>

01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:08.160
<v Speaker 3>based on the timing, Slayton was already following Makira action on Twitter</v>

01:08:08.160 --> 01:08:10.160
<v Speaker 3>before they dropped any ducks.</v>

01:08:10.160 --> 01:08:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Which is interesting because that blog and that account were literally set</v>

01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.040
<v Speaker 3>up for the purpose of doxing Corey.</v>

01:08:17.040 --> 01:08:19.360
<v Speaker 3>There'd never been any activity previously.</v>

01:08:19.360 --> 01:08:22.080
<v Speaker 3>The first thing that they did was to dox Corey.</v>

01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:25.200
<v Speaker 3>No one ever heard of him before until they showed up.</v>

01:08:25.200 --> 01:08:29.280
<v Speaker 3>By all accounts, it appears that Peter Sladen had prior knowledge that</v>

01:08:29.280 --> 01:08:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Makira Action was going to be doing this, which is relevant because</v>

01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:34.400
<v Speaker 3>he's an LCMS employee.</v>

01:08:34.400 --> 01:08:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Killcrease is an employee.</v>

01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Killcrees is part of CTCR, but as far as I know, I</v>

01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:40.320
<v Speaker 3>don't think he's remunerated for that.</v>

01:08:40.320 --> 01:08:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Slayton is salaried.</v>

01:08:42.080 --> 01:08:43.840
<v Speaker 3>He's paid a lot of money.</v>

01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:48.160
<v Speaker 3>And he has had an ax to grind against Corey for years.</v>

01:08:48.160 --> 01:08:52.880
<v Speaker 3>In fact, the the Book of Concord disaster that Corey can link</v>

01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:55.200
<v Speaker 3>in the show notes as well.</v>

01:08:55.200 --> 01:08:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Joshua Scheer and Peter Slate were two of the men instrumental in</v>

01:08:59.200 --> 01:09:02.720
<v Speaker 3>removing the Book of Concord from the internet because they hated Corey</v>

01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:03.520
<v Speaker 3>so much.</v>

01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:09.040
<v Speaker 3>In secret, those men spread slander and lies about Corey, destroying his</v>

01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:12.640
<v Speaker 3>reputation, so that they could try to steal the work that he</v>

01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:17.920
<v Speaker 3>had done with Paul McCain's Sr.'s approval to redesign the Book of</v>

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Concord website.</v>

01:09:19.440 --> 01:09:23.200
<v Speaker 3>So the fact that Sladen, who hates Corey, who's been destroying his</v>

01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:26.960
<v Speaker 3>reputation for years, would be one of the very first people following</v>

01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:32.640
<v Speaker 3>the Antifa Twitter account and the Bethany Kilcrease would follow right in</v>

01:09:33.120 --> 01:09:35.440
<v Speaker 3>his wake, is very telling.</v>

01:09:35.440 --> 01:09:39.040
<v Speaker 3>And see, this is circumstantial evidence, but the more of this stuff</v>

01:09:39.040 --> 01:09:44.720
<v Speaker 3>that piles up, the more clear it is that the LCMS, ALC,</v>

01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:48.480
<v Speaker 3>and Antifa have all been colluding since the very beginning of all</v>

01:09:48.480 --> 01:09:53.840
<v Speaker 3>of this in response to the large cataclysm and layman pushing against</v>

01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:54.400
<v Speaker 3>it.</v>

01:09:54.400 --> 01:09:54.560
I

01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.360
<v Speaker 2>guess we should probably point out at some point that Makira is</v>

01:09:57.360 --> 01:09:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Greek for slaughter knife.</v>

01:09:59.360 --> 01:10:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Something that those who have not read some of the materials surrounding</v>

01:10:02.480 --> 01:10:05.280
<v Speaker 2>this will not know, so it's very clear what the sort of</v>

01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:08.880
<v Speaker 2>mindset and intent of those doing these things.</v>

01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, what their mindset is.</v>

01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:16.640
<v Speaker 2>But moving on from there, the very next day, that Tuesday the</v>

01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:22.000
<v Speaker 2>fourteenth, a friend of mine at the Congregation, who has now also</v>

01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:29.200
<v Speaker 2>left that congregation, was interrogated for nearly four hours by Pastor Manham,</v>

01:10:29.200 --> 01:10:33.840
<v Speaker 2>by the elders, and by Pastor Graves, the circuit visitor.</v>

01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Basically he was interrogated for being my friend because we would go</v>

01:10:38.320 --> 01:10:42.080
<v Speaker 2>out and get beers after the service, we sat next to each</v>

01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:47.200
<v Speaker 2>other in the congregation, in the sanctuary, and so he was placed</v>

01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:52.240
<v Speaker 2>under the lesser ban, essentially for associating with me.</v>

01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Because he wasn't given any charges.</v>

01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:58.880
<v Speaker 2>He was actually given a chance to defend himself, whereas I was</v>

01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.880
<v Speaker 2>not even given the chance to speak, except insofar as I did</v>

01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.560
<v Speaker 2>comment as I was packing up my things to leave, of course.</v>

01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:10.800
<v Speaker 2>But he was placed under the lesser ban because of his association</v>

01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.600
<v Speaker 2>with me, and that is a theme that we see throughout all</v>

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of this.</v>

01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.480
<v Speaker 2>It is guilt by association.</v>

01:11:16.480 --> 01:11:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Now</v>

01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:22.960
<v Speaker 2>drawing out something about a man by virtue of those with whom</v>

01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.080
<v Speaker 2>he spends his time is one thing, and you can do that</v>

01:11:26.080 --> 01:11:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to some degree.</v>

01:11:28.160 --> 01:11:32.560
<v Speaker 2>But you cannot place someone under the lesser ban because he has</v>

01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:34.800
<v Speaker 2>a friend with whom you disagree.</v>

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The

01:11:35.440 --> 01:11:37.600
<v Speaker 3>lesser ban means he's barred from communion.</v>

01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Means Andy was not allowed to commune in that congregation anymore, which</v>

01:11:41.280 --> 01:11:45.920
<v Speaker 3>itself is an explicit statement that you are in a state of</v>

01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:48.000
<v Speaker 3>open unrepentant sin.</v>

01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Effectively, you are going to hell unless you repent for what we're</v>

01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:52.560
<v Speaker 3>charging you for.</v>

01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:54.080
<v Speaker 3>What did they charge him with?</v>

01:11:54.080 --> 01:11:55.280
<v Speaker 3>No sin of his own.</v>

01:11:55.280 --> 01:11:58.880
<v Speaker 3>They when the the three and a half hour interrogation of Indy</v>

01:11:59.200 --> 01:12:02.640
<v Speaker 3>amounted to questions about things that Corey had said.</v>

01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:04.240
<v Speaker 3>Nothing that Indy had said.</v>

01:12:04.240 --> 01:12:06.720
<v Speaker 3>What did Corey say and did he agree with it?</v>

01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:10.720
<v Speaker 3>And he was told that if he didn't completely disavow Cory, he</v>

01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:12.720
<v Speaker 3>would be excommunicated.</v>

01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:16.240
<v Speaker 3>And they immediately placed him under the lesser ban because he refused</v>

01:12:16.240 --> 01:12:19.840
<v Speaker 3>to disavow his friend for what his friend had said, regardless of</v>

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:23.200
<v Speaker 3>whether or not he agreed with anything Corey had said, which is</v>

01:12:23.200 --> 01:12:25.360
<v Speaker 3>important because this comes up again later.</v>

01:12:25.360 --> 01:12:28.960
<v Speaker 3>This is a script that was written by Synod that was delivered</v>

01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:29.760
<v Speaker 3>to these men.</v>

01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Because remember, Manum had no interest in tangling with Corey before Makira</v>

01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:40.000
<v Speaker 3>action. He had no interest in placing him under lesser ban, excommunication,</v>

01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:44.160
<v Speaker 3>nothing. He never dared to challenge Corey until this happened.</v>

01:12:44.160 --> 01:12:46.480
<v Speaker 3>The very next week, what does he do?</v>

01:12:46.480 --> 01:12:48.960
<v Speaker 3>He bars one of his friends from communion.</v>

01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Now if you're a pastor and you're listening to this, your blood</v>

01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.160
<v Speaker 3>pressure should be through the roof.</v>

01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:56.640
<v Speaker 3>You heard about it when it happened to Ryan Turnipseed.</v>

01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:58.640
<v Speaker 3>We're telling you for the first time, that was not the first</v>

01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:00.400
<v Speaker 3>time that this happened.</v>

01:13:00.400 --> 01:13:04.560
<v Speaker 3>This evil is scripted, it's coming from Matt Harrison the false prophet</v>

01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:04.960
<v Speaker 3>in St.</v>

01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Louis, and it's being done in defense of what?</v>

01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:09.520
<v Speaker 3>You know what?</v>

01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:15.600
<v Speaker 3>The large cataclysm, pedophilia advocacy, minimizing every heinous sin and making things</v>

01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.680
<v Speaker 3>into sins that are not sins at all.</v>

01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:20.160
<v Speaker 3>This is being done in the name of Christ, which is something</v>

01:13:20.160 --> 01:13:22.560
<v Speaker 3>that Parrison's going to say shortly.</v>

01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:24.160
<v Speaker 3>This is a profound evil.</v>

01:13:24.160 --> 01:13:27.440
<v Speaker 3>And so the lesser band saying that he's an open sin for</v>

01:13:27.440 --> 01:13:29.040
<v Speaker 3>being friends with Cory.</v>

01:13:29.040 --> 01:13:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Is that church doctrine?</v>

01:13:30.320 --> 01:13:32.240
<v Speaker 3>No. Is it Alinsky's rules?</v>

01:13:32.240 --> 01:13:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes.</v>

01:13:33.120 --> 01:13:38.240
<v Speaker 2>So that same day, Modam sent me an email asking me not</v>

01:13:38.240 --> 01:13:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to attend the midweek service because of course we're dealing with Lent</v>

01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:48.480
<v Speaker 2>here. And so I agreed as an explicit show of good faith,</v>

01:13:48.480 --> 01:13:52.480
<v Speaker 2>but, and this is something I don't always do, I requested a</v>

01:13:52.480 --> 01:13:56.640
<v Speaker 2>copy of the Constitution and Bylaws in exchange as it were for</v>

01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:00.160
<v Speaker 2>my show of good faith and not attending because he mentioned security</v>

01:14:00.160 --> 01:14:05.200
<v Speaker 2>concerns and when Antifa is in play, I think it is fair</v>

01:14:05.200 --> 01:14:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to the elders to give them that consideration of a day, or</v>

01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:13.760
<v Speaker 2>really the better part of a week, to deal with any concerns</v>

01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.760
<v Speaker 2>considering that radical group.</v>

01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.080
<v Speaker 2>And so as a sign of good faith, I agreed not to</v>

01:14:18.080 --> 01:14:21.920
<v Speaker 2>attend the midweek service, but the reason that I requested a copy</v>

01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.680
<v Speaker 2>of the Constitution and By Laws is that I was telegraphing to</v>

01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Pastor Manham that I was well aware of the restrictions on how</v>

01:14:30.080 --> 01:14:32.960
<v Speaker 2>he could proceed with an excommunication.</v>

01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I wanted him to know that if he did not follow the</v>

01:14:36.480 --> 01:14:40.960
<v Speaker 2>by laws to the letter, it would cause future problems.</v>

01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Of course they did not follow the by laws.</v>

01:14:44.240 --> 01:14:49.440
<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned in my article, the requirement for excommunication at first</v>

01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Lutheran is that the vote of the congregation be unanimous</v>

01:14:55.680 --> 01:15:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Now, the reason, part of the reason they placed Indy under the</v>

01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:03.200
<v Speaker 2>lesser ban, is that they were going to try to argue that</v>

01:15:03.200 --> 01:15:06.000
<v Speaker 2>because he was under the lesser ban, he was no longer a</v>

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:07.680
<v Speaker 2>member. That's not of course the case.</v>

01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.400
<v Speaker 2>The way the bylaws work is that you are a member until</v>

01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:15.040
<v Speaker 2>you're excommunicated, and so the vote having to be unanimous, they would</v>

01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:19.760
<v Speaker 2>never be able to excommunicate me simply because Indy was still a</v>

01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:21.600
<v Speaker 2>member of the congregation.</v>

01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Now there were other individuals as well.</v>

01:15:24.080 --> 01:15:24.240
I

01:15:24.240 --> 01:15:25.440
<v Speaker 3>have to stop and correct you.</v>

01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:27.120
<v Speaker 3>that's not actually true.</v>

01:15:27.120 --> 01:15:30.960
<v Speaker 3>You had you had the original copy of First Lutheran's bylaws, which</v>

01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:32.560
<v Speaker 3>did say unanimous.</v>

01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.600
<v Speaker 3>So after Indy's meeting that was what we believed.</v>

01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:39.440
<v Speaker 3>When you did later get a copy of them, they had amended</v>

01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:41.760
<v Speaker 3>amended those bylaws to make it two thirds.</v>

01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.360
<v Speaker 3>So whether or not Indy, there's actually</v>

01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:44.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a technicality there.</v>

01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Um is there?</v>

01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Yeah, there is.</v>

01:15:47.040 --> 01:15:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the technicality in it.</v>

01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:50.080
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's good that they did this.</v>

01:15:50.080 --> 01:15:51.360
<v Speaker 2>It's actually reasonable.</v>

01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:55.360
<v Speaker 2>It's a two-thirds vote if the accused is not present.</v>

01:15:55.360 --> 01:15:58.960
<v Speaker 2>If the accused is present, it is unanimous.</v>

01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:04.320
<v Speaker 2>And so the problem for them is that the accused must be</v>

01:16:04.320 --> 01:16:06.400
<v Speaker 2>present. That is in the bylaws.</v>

01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:09.600
<v Speaker 2>The only way that they are allowed to resort to that that</v>

01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:13.280
<v Speaker 2>two thirds option is if the accused, in this case, if I</v>

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:15.520
<v Speaker 2>refuse to attend.</v>

01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:18.320
<v Speaker 2>If I refuse to attend, they need a two-thirds vote.</v>

01:16:18.320 --> 01:16:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I didn't refuse to attend, as we will get to soon enough.</v>

01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:23.920
<v Speaker 2>They barred me from the property.</v>

01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And so they didn't follow the rules at any</v>

01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:31.040
<v Speaker 2>everything they did was a violation of the bylaws, to say nothing</v>

01:16:31.040 --> 01:16:34.400
<v Speaker 2>of the various injunctions in scripture with regard to how you were</v>

01:16:34.400 --> 01:16:36.400
<v Speaker 2>to treat a fellow Christian.</v>

01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:36.720
<v Speaker 2>So</v>

01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:42.080
<v Speaker 2>no according to the civil law they have just completely and utterly</v>

01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're screwed, to be blunt.</v>

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:50.160
<v Speaker 2>But to move on from there, there's a sort of</v>

01:16:51.120 --> 01:16:56.000
<v Speaker 2>note in between things that are happening in my story here.</v>

01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Lutherans for racial justice on that Thursday, the 16th, discuss the Antifa</v>

01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:09.280
<v Speaker 2>docs and they divulge having had prior knowledge of Harrison's press release,</v>

01:17:09.280 --> 01:17:12.320
<v Speaker 2>which comes out not yet, it comes out on the twenty first.</v>

01:17:12.320 --> 01:17:16.640
<v Speaker 2>So they're pointing out five days before that they know that a</v>

01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:19.600
<v Speaker 2>press release is coming from Harrison, and this is the discussion between</v>

01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Matt Gonzales and Ken Ferry, who is the latter running for president</v>

01:17:25.040 --> 01:17:27.600
<v Speaker 2>of the LCMS.</v>

01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.720
<v Speaker 2>But now to return to what is happening to me in this</v>

01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:36.640
<v Speaker 2>timeline that Friday, the seventeenth, Monam emailed me again to ask this</v>

01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:40.240
<v Speaker 2>time that I not attend the divine service on Sunday.</v>

01:17:40.240 --> 01:17:42.080
<v Speaker 2>This time I declined.</v>

01:17:42.080 --> 01:17:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I pointed out that not attending the midweek service, and I always</v>

01:17:46.480 --> 01:17:48.480
<v Speaker 2>attend midweek services.</v>

01:17:48.480 --> 01:17:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I pointed out that not attending the midweek service was a sign</v>

01:17:51.280 --> 01:17:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of good faith, that he had had adequate time, and that I</v>

01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:56.320
<v Speaker 2>would be attending the service.</v>

01:17:56.320 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I I additionally texted him to make sure that he checked his</v>

01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:05.360
<v Speaker 2>email so he knew that I was intending to attend the service</v>

01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:10.320
<v Speaker 2>and that he would have adequate time to prepare as it were.</v>

01:18:10.320 --> 01:18:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Notably, he said in his email that he sent via certified letter</v>

01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a copy of the email.</v>

01:18:17.440 --> 01:18:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I never actually received that one.</v>

01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't have reason to believe he didn't send it.</v>

01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that most likely USPS has it somewhere and I just</v>

01:18:25.280 --> 01:18:27.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't get a notification.</v>

01:18:27.200 --> 01:18:30.960
<v Speaker 2>But he sent his email on Friday, I sent my reply actually</v>

01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:34.240
<v Speaker 2>on the eighteenth on Saturday.</v>

01:18:34.240 --> 01:18:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Then on the nineteenth, that Sunday, as always, I got ready to</v>

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:44.720
<v Speaker 2>attend the service at nine thirty, which is when the Divine Service</v>

01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:47.920
<v Speaker 2>there's one service, the Divine Service at First Lutheran.</v>

01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I picked up donuts in the morning, as I usually do, as</v>

01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I have done every week, and I drove to the church.</v>

01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:00.640
<v Speaker 2>However, it would seem that God did not want to give Pastor</v>

01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Manham the opportunity to actually talk to me about these issues.</v>

01:19:06.080 --> 01:19:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Because for those who don't know me personally and maybe didn't pay</v>

01:19:11.280 --> 01:19:15.360
<v Speaker 2>particularly close attention to what Antifa said, I am always on time</v>

01:19:15.360 --> 01:19:21.120
<v Speaker 2>for the divine service, I have been late, I believe, twice in</v>

01:19:21.120 --> 01:19:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the past six to ten years, and by one of those I</v>

01:19:25.200 --> 01:19:28.880
<v Speaker 2>mean late by ten seconds, literally ten seconds.</v>

01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.880
<v Speaker 2>This time, for the For the first time in ten years, I</v>

01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:33.920
<v Speaker 2>was actually late.</v>

01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I was probably fifteen or twenty minutes late.</v>

01:19:37.040 --> 01:19:41.120
<v Speaker 2>And the reason for that is that I witnessed directly in front</v>

01:19:41.120 --> 01:19:44.640
<v Speaker 2>of me a chase, crash, and then foot chase</v>

01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:46.800
<v Speaker 2>with the police.</v>

01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:52.800
<v Speaker 2>They some individual probably on drugs pulled out from a side street</v>

01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:54.880
<v Speaker 2>directly in front of me while I was on my way to</v>

01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:59.360
<v Speaker 2>church, got chased by two squad cars, crashed into the median, completely</v>

01:19:59.360 --> 01:20:02.960
<v Speaker 2>blocked the road, jumped out of his car, took off, the police</v>

01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:04.080
<v Speaker 2>tackled him.</v>

01:20:04.080 --> 01:20:06.080
<v Speaker 2>It took a while for me to get out of there.</v>

01:20:06.400 --> 01:20:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I gave a brief statement because of course I saw basically the</v>

01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:10.880
<v Speaker 2>entire thing.</v>

01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.280
<v Speaker 2>And so I was late.</v>

01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:16.400
<v Speaker 2>The reason that it is salient that I was late is that</v>

01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Pastor Monham and the elders were standing outside waiting for me to</v>

01:20:20.480 --> 01:20:23.680
<v Speaker 2>show up so they could intercept me because they had called the</v>

01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:26.320
<v Speaker 2>police on me.</v>

01:20:26.320 --> 01:20:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Well I didn't get to talk to Pastor Monum because of that</v>

01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:33.600
<v Speaker 2>delay. I did get to talk to well, really only the police,</v>

01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:35.520
<v Speaker 2>because the elders would not talk to me.</v>

01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I had a copy of the Constitution and By Laws and these</v>

01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:41.360
<v Speaker 2>various other things to point out where they were clearly in the</v>

01:20:41.360 --> 01:20:43.600
<v Speaker 2>wrong, because that is the Christian response.</v>

01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:48.240
<v Speaker 2>When you have an erring brother, or erstwhile brother, former brother, however</v>

01:20:48.240 --> 01:20:50.880
<v Speaker 2>we want to say this, you point out to him when he</v>

01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:53.680
<v Speaker 2>is in the wrong, where he is in the wrong, why he</v>

01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:55.840
<v Speaker 2>is wrong and hope that he will repent.</v>

01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:57.840
<v Speaker 2>That was my goal.</v>

01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:02.320
<v Speaker 2>It did not turn out that way for reasons well beyond my</v>

01:21:02.320 --> 01:21:06.400
<v Speaker 2>control. And so I talked to the police, and that video is</v>

01:21:06.400 --> 01:21:07.840
<v Speaker 2>available, you can watch that.</v>

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:09.760
<v Speaker 2>The police were very polite and</v>

01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:12.320
<v Speaker 2>they did their job.</v>

01:21:12.400 --> 01:21:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Obviously I explained some of it to them for the purpose of</v>

01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.960
<v Speaker 2>having the video and for the purpose of the elders who are</v>

01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:21.920
<v Speaker 2>still standing there, because I know the police can't do anything about</v>

01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:24.640
<v Speaker 2>this. This is a matter for the civil courts if it goes</v>

01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:28.640
<v Speaker 2>to that, not for the police to solve then and there.</v>

01:21:29.120 --> 01:21:33.120
<v Speaker 3>It's important to note with regard to threats.</v>

01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:37.120
<v Speaker 3>There were no threats from Antifa or anyone else.</v>

01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, if you look at the original Makira Action docs of you,</v>

01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:47.280
<v Speaker 3>the only demands that Antifa made were excommunicate you from your church</v>

01:21:47.280 --> 01:21:50.560
<v Speaker 3>and bar you from going back to that brewery.</v>

01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:54.240
<v Speaker 3>And And they subsequently got their wish on go both counts.</v>

01:21:54.240 --> 01:21:55.680
<v Speaker 3>There was never any direct.</v>

01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:56.560
<v Speaker 3>I do like they included the</v>

01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:57.520
<v Speaker 1>brewery one.</v>

01:21:57.840 --> 01:21:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So ridiculous.</v>

01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.680
<v Speaker 3>It really it goes to Luther's explanation where he talks about how</v>

01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Satan doesn't want us to even have a morsel of food food</v>

01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:07.280
<v Speaker 3>and peace.</v>

01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:09.280
<v Speaker 3>That's literally what happened here.</v>

01:22:09.280 --> 01:22:12.720
<v Speaker 3>And so there were idiot pastors on Twitter and there are all</v>

01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:16.880
<v Speaker 3>these slanders elsewhere saying you were a threat to the church or</v>

01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Antifa was a threat to the church, that there was direct physical</v>

01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:24.560
<v Speaker 3>threats. Every single such claim is absolutely false.</v>

01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:28.640
<v Speaker 3>There is only slander coming from within the Missouri Synod and specifically</v>

01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:33.520
<v Speaker 3>coming from Manham and First Lutheran of Knoxville to claim that there</v>

01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.720
<v Speaker 3>was some sort of unspecified threat of violence.</v>

01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:39.440
<v Speaker 3>That was the basis for no trespassing you.</v>

01:22:39.440 --> 01:22:42.400
<v Speaker 3>And so they didn't get a restraining order, but what they did,</v>

01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:45.200
<v Speaker 3>a lesser version of it, but effectively the same thing is to</v>

01:22:45.200 --> 01:22:49.600
<v Speaker 3>no trespass you, which means your name is now permanently in the</v>

01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:52.080
<v Speaker 3>police records with that address.</v>

01:22:52.080 --> 01:22:54.960
<v Speaker 3>And so at any point in the future, if Cory ever sets</v>

01:22:54.960 --> 01:23:00.000
<v Speaker 3>foot on First Lutheran property, he will be immediately subject to arrest</v>

01:23:00.160 --> 01:23:01.680
<v Speaker 3>without appeal.</v>

01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Because by saying you are trespassing if you come back, it basically</v>

01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:10.720
<v Speaker 3>primes any future contact to be automatically a crime.</v>

01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:13.680
<v Speaker 3>So it's it's kind of like a restraining order, except it doesn't</v>

01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:15.520
<v Speaker 3>have to have additional buffers.</v>

01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:17.600
<v Speaker 3>And that stands to this day.</v>

01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Corey is permanently barred from returning to his church.</v>

01:23:22.240 --> 01:23:25.760
<v Speaker 3>And see, there's people who don't like Corey, who don't like what</v>

01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:29.520
<v Speaker 3>he says, who think he's mean, who think he's a heretic.</v>

01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Even if all even if you're 100% correct that Corey is the</v>

01:23:33.120 --> 01:23:36.240
<v Speaker 3>monster that the LCMS says he is.</v>

01:23:36.240 --> 01:23:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Is this how you deal with someone who's not actually causing problems?</v>

01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.840
<v Speaker 3>And one of the amazing thing that played out subsequently is that</v>

01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Hans Feeney and some of these other chicken pastors went so far</v>

01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:50.800
<v Speaker 3>as to say, well, of course they would bar him from being</v>

01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:52.960
<v Speaker 3>there. He would just speak in his own defense.</v>

01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Why would we let him proclaim Hitler in church?</v>

01:23:56.160 --> 01:23:58.320
<v Speaker 3>As though that's anything you've ever done.</v>

01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:02.560
<v Speaker 3>And so again, this is pure Olinskyite tactics.</v>

01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:08.080
<v Speaker 3>To prevent you from ever physically being there again is complete personal</v>

01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:12.640
<v Speaker 3>destruction. And any any bystanders can think, well, anybody who gets thrown</v>

01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.200
<v Speaker 3>out of church and the cops are called, he's gotta be bad.</v>

01:24:15.200 --> 01:24:16.480
<v Speaker 3>And that's the whole point.</v>

01:24:16.480 --> 01:24:21.600
<v Speaker 3>The optics of the situation are so evil in terms of the</v>

01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:24.880
<v Speaker 3>person who's being targeted that most people are just gonna say we</v>

01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:26.080
<v Speaker 3>must have done something.</v>

01:24:26.320 --> 01:24:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Cory must have done something.</v>

01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.880
<v Speaker 3>He wouldn't be subjected to this if he hadn't done something.</v>

01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:32.240
<v Speaker 3>And that's all it takes.</v>

01:24:32.240 --> 01:24:33.520
<v Speaker 3>That's not Christian.</v>

01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:36.240
<v Speaker 3>That's not consistent with the eighth commandment.</v>

01:24:36.240 --> 01:24:39.040
<v Speaker 3>And yet it's the only thing that we've seen within our own</v>

01:24:39.040 --> 01:24:39.760
<v Speaker 3>church.</v>

01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>And yes, it is worth mentioning that I am also barred from</v>

01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:47.200
<v Speaker 2>going back to Schultzbroy, which is the brewery where I used to</v>

01:24:47.200 --> 01:24:50.800
<v Speaker 2>go with Indy, and we would record Tishraiten, which is have a</v>

01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:52.240
<v Speaker 2>number of episodes of that up.</v>

01:24:52.240 --> 01:24:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I may finish editing the others and release them.</v>

01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:58.400
<v Speaker 2>There's really no reason not to do that now.</v>

01:24:58.400 --> 01:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>But they managed to get me barred from that because of the</v>

01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Antifa docs and again, this is a family owned business.</v>

01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:10.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't entirely blame them because they are afraid of what could</v>

01:25:10.240 --> 01:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>be done to their business by this violent group.</v>

01:25:13.200 --> 01:25:17.520
<v Speaker 2>And so everyone knows that Antifa is a violent, leftist, a radical</v>

01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:21.440
<v Speaker 2>group that will firebomb your business, say.</v>

01:25:21.440 --> 01:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't I don't blame them for that.</v>

01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>So please don't send them nasty messages or anything like that.</v>

01:25:27.200 --> 01:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>it's not their fault.</v>

01:25:28.160 --> 01:25:31.200
<v Speaker 2>They got caught up in things that are beyond their control.</v>

01:25:31.200 --> 01:25:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Just leave them be.</v>

01:25:34.480 --> 01:25:39.760
<v Speaker 2>But that same Sunday, Pastor Monham announces from the pulpit.</v>

01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Actually, not from the pulpit, he's it's from the uh the lectern.</v>

01:25:43.040 --> 01:25:45.360
<v Speaker 2>The lectern at first Lutherans on the left, the pulpit's on the</v>

01:25:45.360 --> 01:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>right. He announced from the Lectern that there were some issues and</v>

01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:52.000
<v Speaker 2>they had been dealt with, and he did this with a smile,</v>

01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and you can watch the video and judge for yourself what exactly</v>

01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>is going on</v>

01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:03.680
<v Speaker 2>there? And so we move on to President Harrison's press release, as</v>

01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>it were, on the twenty-first of February, and that is President Harrison</v>

01:26:08.320 --> 01:26:12.320
<v Speaker 2>denounces disturbing ideologies.</v>

01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And essentially this is his comment where he denounces the alt right</v>

01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:21.120
<v Speaker 2>and racists and all these various other things.</v>

01:26:21.120 --> 01:26:26.160
<v Speaker 2>He basically lists out Satan's talking points, the left's talking points, and</v>

01:26:26.160 --> 01:26:30.000
<v Speaker 2>says that he denounces them in the name of the Missouri Synod,</v>

01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.560
<v Speaker 2>in the name of the President of the Missouri Synod, the Vice</v>

01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Presidents of the Missouri Synod, the thirty five district presidents of the</v>

01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Missouri Synod, the Ministerium, the congregations, basically he says that he does</v>

01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:44.400
<v Speaker 2>this in the name of the entire LCMS and in the name</v>

01:26:44.400 --> 01:26:46.560
<v Speaker 2>of Christ.</v>

01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:51.360
<v Speaker 2>And what is denounced is the horrible and racist teachings, to quote</v>

01:26:51.360 --> 01:26:58.160
<v Speaker 2>him, of the so-called alt-right in toto, which is to include white</v>

01:26:58.160 --> 01:27:05.280
<v Speaker 2>supremacy, Nazism, pro-slavery, anti interracial marriage, women as property, fascism, death</v>

01:27:05.280 --> 01:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>to homosexuals, even genocide.</v>

01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Now those who have actually read the Old Testament may notice that</v>

01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>there are some problems here</v>

01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Because the Old Testament, as we have mentioned previously, does not ban</v>

01:27:20.160 --> 01:27:26.080
<v Speaker 2>slavery, in fact, tells the Israelites to take slaves in some cases.</v>

01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:29.280
<v Speaker 2>We'll ignore some of the other ones, but I will point out</v>

01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:32.160
<v Speaker 2>that the so called death to homosexuals</v>

01:27:33.040 --> 01:27:36.640
<v Speaker 2>one, we haven't actually called for that</v>

01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>except in so far as perhaps we have quoted the Old Testament,</v>

01:27:42.160 --> 01:27:44.880
<v Speaker 2>because that is what God says in the Old Testament.</v>

01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>And of course, genocide, that would be a correct characterization of what</v>

01:27:49.280 --> 01:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>God commanded Israel to do to the Canaanites.</v>

01:27:52.080 --> 01:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>So So this is Matt Harrison, in the name of the LCMS,</v>

01:27:57.200 --> 01:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>in the name of the entirety of the leadership of the LCMS,</v>

01:28:00.320 --> 01:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>in the name of all the congregations of the LCMS, condemning the</v>

01:28:04.480 --> 01:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Old Testament.</v>

01:28:07.040 --> 01:28:12.160
<v Speaker 2>If this isn't at least Marcionism, I don't know what this is,</v>

01:28:12.160 --> 01:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>but this is incredibly wicked.</v>

01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>This is a rejection of Christianity.</v>

01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Matt Harrison is not a Christian, because a Christian could not write</v>

01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:22.480
<v Speaker 2>this.</v>

01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:25.840
<v Speaker 3>And we waited six weeks before we responded to it.</v>

01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.600
<v Speaker 3>The episode that you've probably heard against the Antichrist was a line</v>

01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:31.360
<v Speaker 3>by line refutation of that.</v>

01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Uh what's particularly interesting about the death for homosexuals line is that</v>

01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:41.120
<v Speaker 3>uh in the news just this past week, the nation of Uganda</v>

01:28:41.120 --> 01:28:44.000
<v Speaker 3>has passed laws which permit that.</v>

01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:49.120
<v Speaker 3>It is now legal in Uganda for the state to execute homosexuals.</v>

01:28:49.120 --> 01:28:54.560
<v Speaker 3>And all manner of homosexuality is now illegal, including grooming, and interestingly,</v>

01:28:54.560 --> 01:29:00.640
<v Speaker 3>including publication of anything that advocates such, which would mean that the</v>

01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:03.920
<v Speaker 3>LCMS, CPH, based on some of the things that were written in</v>

01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:08.080
<v Speaker 3>the new large catechism, they could make a case in Uganda that</v>

01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:10.640
<v Speaker 3>the CPH would be breaking the law and be stripped of their</v>

01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:12.560
<v Speaker 3>license to publish published there.</v>

01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:15.920
<v Speaker 3>So that's interesting for a couple reasons.</v>

01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:17.840
<v Speaker 3>One, it's not completely out of left field.</v>

01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:21.360
<v Speaker 3>Not only is it still in scripture, it's still the law in</v>

01:29:21.360 --> 01:29:22.400
<v Speaker 3>many places.</v>

01:29:22.400 --> 01:29:25.920
<v Speaker 3>And it's relevant to the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod in particular because</v>

01:29:27.120 --> 01:29:32.640
<v Speaker 3>this coming July, the LCMS is going to be voting on full</v>

01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:37.040
<v Speaker 3>altar and pulpit fellowship with the Ugandan Lutheran Church, with the church</v>

01:29:37.440 --> 01:29:40.320
<v Speaker 3>and the very nation that has now passed this law that says</v>

01:29:40.320 --> 01:29:44.000
<v Speaker 3>that homosexuals can, should and should be executed.</v>

01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:47.600
<v Speaker 3>So I'm really curious to see how that plays out.</v>

01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Is you the Ugandan Lutheran Church going to be made to denounce</v>

01:29:52.160 --> 01:29:55.680
<v Speaker 3>this in the name of so called Christ, as the false prophet</v>

01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Matt Harrison did?</v>

01:29:56.880 --> 01:30:00.400
<v Speaker 3>If he's consistent, he'll say, well, yeah, sure you're black, sure you're</v>

01:30:00.400 --> 01:30:02.240
<v Speaker 3>African, but you still gotta follow the rules</v>

01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:10.320
<v Speaker 3>or is this altright hysteria something that came from Jack Kilcrease's mouth?</v>

01:30:10.320 --> 01:30:11.760
<v Speaker 3>It's of course the latter.</v>

01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they're gonna say anything about the Lutheran Church in</v>

01:30:14.080 --> 01:30:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Uganda because all they care about is scoring political points and also</v>

01:30:18.160 --> 01:30:20.320
<v Speaker 3>protecting sodomites.</v>

01:30:20.320 --> 01:30:24.000
<v Speaker 3>And getting back to the initial point about the petechism and something</v>

01:30:24.080 --> 01:30:30.080
<v Speaker 3>we've said on a previous episode, sodomites reproduce by raping children.</v>

01:30:30.320 --> 01:30:32.720
<v Speaker 3>The two are directly connected.</v>

01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:37.840
<v Speaker 3>If you know someone who describes themselves as homosexual, gay, whatever euphemism</v>

01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:42.640
<v Speaker 3>they use, they are almost certainly the victim of child rape.</v>

01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:44.320
<v Speaker 3>That's a terrible thing.</v>

01:30:44.320 --> 01:30:48.880
<v Speaker 3>And as a Christian to acknowledge that this horrible thing was done</v>

01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:52.000
<v Speaker 3>to them as a child is an important part of making them</v>

01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:53.600
<v Speaker 3>whole within the church.</v>

01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Because Because by and large, sodomites who live that lifestyle as adults</v>

01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:03.520
<v Speaker 3>are doing so specifically as a coping mechanism for the horrors that</v>

01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:05.120
<v Speaker 3>were done to them as children.</v>

01:31:05.120 --> 01:31:09.680
<v Speaker 3>So see all the all these nasty, vile, disgusting things that are</v>

01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:13.280
<v Speaker 3>difficult to even talk about, they're part and parcel.</v>

01:31:13.280 --> 01:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>And for the Missouri Synod to give up ground on any one</v>

01:31:17.120 --> 01:31:21.280
<v Speaker 3>of these things, on doing something that Jesus said you'd be better</v>

01:31:21.280 --> 01:31:24.560
<v Speaker 3>off having a millstone tied around your neck on the last day</v>

01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>than to do this to one of these little children.</v>

01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>The church that we belong to, that I still belong to, Cory,</v>

01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:33.360
<v Speaker 3>has been falsely excommunicated.</v>

01:31:33.360 --> 01:31:35.120
<v Speaker 3>He's not he's still a Lutheran.</v>

01:31:35.120 --> 01:31:38.240
<v Speaker 3>He's still an LCMS Lutheran, unless he doesn't want to be anymore.</v>

01:31:38.240 --> 01:31:41.440
<v Speaker 3>But as we made clear, we take our vows seriously.</v>

01:31:41.440 --> 01:31:44.480
<v Speaker 3>False prophets don't get to kick men out of the church.</v>

01:31:44.480 --> 01:31:45.680
<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't happen.</v>

01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:46.400
<v Speaker 3>It's not real.</v>

01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:48.160
<v Speaker 3>They broke all the rules.</v>

01:31:48.160 --> 01:31:49.440
<v Speaker 3>They lied in God's name.</v>

01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:52.560
<v Speaker 3>They continue lying in God's name, which is the reason that we</v>

01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:54.320
<v Speaker 3>will continue to fight.</v>

01:31:54.320 --> 01:31:58.960
<v Speaker 3>One other interesting thing to note: the twenty-first of February is when</v>

01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Harry uh Harrison posted his screed on the LCMS</v>

01:32:03.120 --> 01:32:03.360
uh

01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>actually</v>

01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:06.320
<v Speaker 3>it didn't initially go out on the LCMS website.</v>

01:32:06.320 --> 01:32:07.760
<v Speaker 3>We should mention the timeline.</v>

01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:11.520
<v Speaker 3>He initially posted this on Facebook and not directly.</v>

01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>It was a letter that was sent I think to the DPs</v>

01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and it was immediately leaked on Facebook.</v>

01:32:17.440 --> 01:32:19.040
<v Speaker 3>It went into wide circulation.</v>

01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:23.600
<v Speaker 3>We immediately circulated it because it directly names not us by name</v>

01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:28.880
<v Speaker 3>but it makes very clear that this screed is directed against the</v>

01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>men online who oppose the large cataclysm.</v>

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.600
<v Speaker 3>So Harrison specifically says that we are being personally targeted by what</v>

01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:36.240
<v Speaker 3>he says.</v>

01:32:36.240 --> 01:32:38.240
<v Speaker 3>He didn't have the guts to publish it personally.</v>

01:32:38.240 --> 01:32:42.960
<v Speaker 3>He leaked it on Facebook through a an ally, through an agent.</v>

01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:46.240
<v Speaker 3>And then a couple days later published it on the internet for</v>

01:32:46.240 --> 01:32:48.640
<v Speaker 3>everyone, on the official LCMass blog.</v>

01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:52.480
<v Speaker 3>What's interesting about the timing is that this was after sundown prior</v>

01:32:52.480 --> 01:32:53.680
<v Speaker 3>to Ash Wednesday.</v>

01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh Cory's Church has uh weekly services throughout the year, or at</v>

01:32:57.280 --> 01:33:01.920
<v Speaker 3>least was prior to this, so the Wednesday service was actually outside</v>

01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:02.640
<v Speaker 3>of Lent.</v>

01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Lent began the very next week, and so Ash Wednesday is the</v>

01:33:06.160 --> 01:33:07.840
<v Speaker 3>next day in our timeline.</v>

01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Harrison waited until sundown, effectively st you know, in the in the</v>

01:33:12.480 --> 01:33:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Jewish way of measuring time, sundown is the beginning of the next</v>

01:33:16.480 --> 01:33:20.560
<v Speaker 3>day in the window so it was effectively Ash Wednesday when this</v>

01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:26.000
<v Speaker 3>attack by Synod was launched against Stone Choir, and against anyone who</v>

01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>agrees with anything we said.</v>

01:33:27.280 --> 01:33:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Because we said Indy was told he is not a Christian, he</v>

01:33:31.040 --> 01:33:34.800
<v Speaker 3>is an unrepentant sin for being friends with Corey, for listening to</v>

01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:38.080
<v Speaker 3>the things that he said, not repeating 'em, just listening, just being</v>

01:33:38.080 --> 01:33:40.000
<v Speaker 3>friends. You're listening.</v>

01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.720
<v Speaker 3>You may make may or may not consider yourself friends.</v>

01:33:43.040 --> 01:33:46.000
<v Speaker 3>you are also no longer a Christian because you hear our voices.</v>

01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:48.720
<v Speaker 3>That's what Matt Harrison wants the whole world to think.</v>

01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.400
<v Speaker 3>And what's funny is that February our audience was way smaller than</v>

01:33:52.400 --> 01:33:53.280
<v Speaker 3>it is today.</v>

01:33:53.280 --> 01:33:56.240
<v Speaker 3>We've at least doubled, maybe tripled in size since then.</v>

01:33:56.240 --> 01:34:02.080
<v Speaker 3>So all the hysteria has not tamped down interest in true sound</v>

01:34:02.080 --> 01:34:07.520
<v Speaker 3>teaching, but it has brought attention from the world to there's something</v>

01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:08.160
<v Speaker 3>going on here.</v>

01:34:08.480 --> 01:34:10.880
<v Speaker 3>If these men who are doing these things are so afraid of</v>

01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:14.400
<v Speaker 3>a couple guys of the podcast, maybe it's worth finding out why.</v>

01:34:14.400 --> 01:34:16.160
<v Speaker 3>So we're glad you're still listening.</v>

01:34:16.400 --> 01:34:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I should have mentioned that it was pre lent or shrove</v>

01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>tide a term we no longer really use, which of course starts</v>

01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:25.680
<v Speaker 2>with Septuagissima Sunday.</v>

01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:29.600
<v Speaker 2>And so we had the the midweek services as well.</v>

01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>But you mention</v>

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the issue of the sodomy laws and how recently those have existed,</v>

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:40.800
<v Speaker 2>and so I'm going to actually link a second Supreme Court case,</v>

01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Lawrence v.</v>

01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Texas in this case, the previous one was Kennedy v.</v>

01:34:44.160 --> 01:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Louisiana. And that was the case that struck down anti sodomy laws,</v>

01:34:50.160 --> 01:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>or you can just call them sodomy laws in the U.S., struck</v>

01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:58.720
<v Speaker 2>them down as unconstitutional, saying that there is a substantive due process</v>

01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>right to intimate consensual sexual conduct or contact in the US.</v>

01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>And so that is now protected by US law.</v>

01:35:07.280 --> 01:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>And that was struck down, many are going to think that, oh,</v>

01:35:10.080 --> 01:35:12.720
<v Speaker 2>that must have happened in the the sixties or th you know,</v>

01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the seventies, the eighties at the latest.</v>

01:35:14.400 --> 01:35:16.640
<v Speaker 2>That was two thousand and three.</v>

01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:23.600
<v Speaker 2>So the current mania, the current hysteria with regard to supposedly anti</v>

01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:27.120
<v Speaker 2>sodomy opinions or anti homosexual opinions</v>

01:35:28.480 --> 01:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Is very new.</v>

01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:30.880
<v Speaker 2>It is novel.</v>

01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>It is in the past handful of years.</v>

01:35:33.280 --> 01:35:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Satan is pushing for this stuff very hard.</v>

01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And he is pushing for it not just in society but also</v>

01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>in the church.</v>

01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:45.280
<v Speaker 2>And men like Matt Harrison and Jack Kilcrease and Jordan Cooper and</v>

01:35:45.280 --> 01:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>so many others are facilitating what Satan is doing to the church.</v>

01:35:49.200 --> 01:35:51.360
<v Speaker 2>He has already done it to society.</v>

01:35:51.360 --> 01:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>The church is the last bulwark against it.</v>

01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>If the church falls, there is nothing to stop the horrors that</v>

01:35:57.680 --> 01:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>are coming.</v>

01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:03.120
<v Speaker 2>And so that same day, Ash Wednesday in this case, not to</v>

01:36:03.200 --> 01:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the Tuesday when Harrison released his statement, Ash reiterated to his pastor</v>

01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:14.720
<v Speaker 2>that Harrison was in part targeting him personally with that press release.</v>

01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:19.040
<v Speaker 2>And so the next day, Thursday, Ash was summoned to the church</v>

01:36:19.040 --> 01:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>by his pastor.</v>

01:36:20.480 --> 01:36:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Again, you're going to note that this is a familiar sequence of</v>

01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:25.600
<v Speaker 2>events here.</v>

01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:30.400
<v Speaker 2>He was ambushed by the elder board of his church, and synod</v>

01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:31.440
<v Speaker 2>through D P.</v>

01:36:31.440 --> 01:36:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Narons asked Ash to resign as an elder of his church.</v>

01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:40.080
<v Speaker 3>I have some notes here from Ash that I want to reference</v>

01:36:40.080 --> 01:36:41.120
<v Speaker 3>in part.</v>

01:36:41.120 --> 01:36:44.800
<v Speaker 3>These are things that Ash said directly in his own defense.</v>

01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:48.720
<v Speaker 3>So this is something that we weren't personally witnessed to, but this</v>

01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:50.880
<v Speaker 3>is from the man who was targeted.</v>

01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:54.000
<v Speaker 3>At this meeting where he was ambushed by his pastor with the</v>

01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.720
<v Speaker 3>elders, he wasn't told they were going to be there.</v>

01:36:56.720 --> 01:37:01.440
<v Speaker 3>He was explicitly told that he was put on the radar of</v>

01:37:01.440 --> 01:37:04.800
<v Speaker 3>synod because of the large cataclysm stream.</v>

01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:10.240
<v Speaker 3>So this is the day after alt-right ideologies, these disconcerting anti-un Christian</v>

01:37:10.240 --> 01:37:14.320
<v Speaker 3>beliefs are condemned in public by synod, by all VPs and by</v>

01:37:14.320 --> 01:37:15.840
<v Speaker 3>all the DPs.</v>

01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Ash was told point blank we have summoned you here because you</v>

01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:21.920
<v Speaker 3>were on that stream.</v>

01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:23.360
<v Speaker 3>And he was on that stream.</v>

01:37:23.360 --> 01:37:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Every man on that stream has subsequently been targeted by synod.</v>

01:37:27.360 --> 01:37:28.640
<v Speaker 3>This is a fact.</v>

01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:33.520
<v Speaker 3>It is a provable fact with dozens of witnesses.</v>

01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:36.640
<v Speaker 3>He was asked to resign his eldership.</v>

01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:38.720
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that he was told was that he had</v>

01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:41.360
<v Speaker 3>at some point on Twitter had mentioned that he was an elder</v>

01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:43.680
<v Speaker 3>and that really set Harrison off.</v>

01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:48.320
<v Speaker 3>And so Harrison demanded through his D P narrens, through his pastor,</v>

01:37:48.320 --> 01:37:51.040
<v Speaker 3>that he be removed and as an elder.</v>

01:37:51.040 --> 01:37:54.880
<v Speaker 3>And And there were some other things that were unrelated to any</v>

01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:58.720
<v Speaker 3>of this, where he chose to step down as an elder.</v>

01:37:58.720 --> 01:38:02.960
<v Speaker 3>It was not his own wishes, but he did not also wish</v>

01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:04.000
<v Speaker 3>to fight.</v>

01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:08.080
<v Speaker 3>So he stepped down as an elder because Matt Harrison commanded it.</v>

01:38:08.080 --> 01:38:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Why? Because he was on the stream.</v>

01:38:10.080 --> 01:38:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Was there a single thing that he said on the stream that</v>

01:38:12.240 --> 01:38:13.040
<v Speaker 3>was false?</v>

01:38:13.040 --> 01:38:14.400
<v Speaker 3>No, absolutely not.</v>

01:38:14.400 --> 01:38:15.440
<v Speaker 3>It'll be in the show notes.</v>

01:38:15.440 --> 01:38:16.800
<v Speaker 3>You can go listen for yourself.</v>

01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Not one thing that he said or any of us said is</v>

01:38:19.040 --> 01:38:20.080
<v Speaker 3>not defensible.</v>

01:38:20.080 --> 01:38:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Even if you disagree with our opinions, the idea that someone would</v>

01:38:23.040 --> 01:38:27.280
<v Speaker 3>be placed under church discipline, told you're living in unrepentant sin, that</v>

01:38:27.280 --> 01:38:30.720
<v Speaker 3>you cannot receive the body and blood of Christ until you repent</v>

01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:32.560
<v Speaker 3>for what you said, for that</v>

01:38:33.440 --> 01:38:38.160
<v Speaker 3>level of scrutiny to be applied to four laymen who had comments</v>

01:38:38.160 --> 01:38:42.080
<v Speaker 3>about what the synod published in our name.</v>

01:38:42.160 --> 01:38:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Is literally unprecedented.</v>

01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of the Missouri</v>

01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Senate. It may have happened in other church bodies, I don't know.</v>

01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:57.520
<v Speaker 3>He said that he claimed uh Ash's pastor claimed that Matt Harrison</v>

01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:01.200
<v Speaker 3>had been subjected to threats of violence and that the authorities had</v>

01:39:01.200 --> 01:39:04.480
<v Speaker 3>been called to investigate the four of us who had been on</v>

01:39:04.480 --> 01:39:06.000
<v Speaker 3>the turnip stream.</v>

01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>He stated that he believed it involved a local authorities where Ash</v>

01:39:09.440 --> 01:39:12.000
<v Speaker 3>lives and that the FBI was involved as well.</v>

01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:15.520
<v Speaker 3>He said the Senate watches the social media of certain members and</v>

01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:17.840
<v Speaker 3>maintains a database of dossiers on them.</v>

01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:21.680
<v Speaker 3>That list includes Ash and every other man on the stream.</v>

01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:24.160
<v Speaker 3>So what do we have here?</v>

01:39:24.160 --> 01:39:28.320
<v Speaker 3>We have behavior that would be more befitting of Scientology.</v>

01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:31.360
<v Speaker 3>This is what happens in cults.</v>

01:39:31.520 --> 01:39:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Part of the reason we're doing this stream where you know it's</v>

01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:35.680
<v Speaker 3>it's running, we're almost two now hours now.</v>

01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:37.280
<v Speaker 3>This might be a four hour stream.</v>

01:39:37.280 --> 01:39:40.160
<v Speaker 3>I sorry, or you're welcome if you're a trucker.</v>

01:39:40.160 --> 01:39:42.560
<v Speaker 3>We have a number of truckers who who beg us for longer</v>

01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:45.280
<v Speaker 3>episodes. Some people like there's no way I'm lists and all that.</v>

01:39:45.280 --> 01:39:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Uh whatever.</v>

01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:53.120
<v Speaker 3>The fact that Harrison, that his synod is maintaining files on layman</v>

01:39:53.280 --> 01:39:58.000
<v Speaker 3>to target them based on their opposition to him is screwed up.</v>

01:39:58.000 --> 01:39:59.360
<v Speaker 3>It is called behavior.</v>

01:39:59.360 --> 01:40:01.200
<v Speaker 3>That is it's sick.</v>

01:40:01.200 --> 01:40:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Who does that?</v>

01:40:02.400 --> 01:40:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, the sort of man that publishes the pedochism is who does</v>

01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:09.280
<v Speaker 3>that? Because as he told the new editor of Christian News, don't</v>

01:40:09.200 --> 01:40:10.960
<v Speaker 3>you dare take my name in vain.</v>

01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:12.880
<v Speaker 3>You better not say anything negative about me.</v>

01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:14.160
<v Speaker 3>What did we do?</v>

01:40:14.160 --> 01:40:18.160
<v Speaker 3>We said that this is false doctrine, and he said that's that's</v>

01:40:18.160 --> 01:40:18.720
<v Speaker 3>about me.</v>

01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:22.320
<v Speaker 3>You said false doctrine, I know I'm a I'm a false shepherd,</v>

01:40:22.320 --> 01:40:24.240
<v Speaker 3>I know I'm a false prophet.</v>

01:40:24.240 --> 01:40:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Now, if you go back and listen to the turn up stream</v>

01:40:27.040 --> 01:40:29.440
<v Speaker 3>again, we were conciliatory.</v>

01:40:29.440 --> 01:40:30.800
<v Speaker 3>We held back.</v>

01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Corey and I in particular did not say many of the things</v>

01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:35.440
<v Speaker 3>that we wanted to say at that time.</v>

01:40:35.440 --> 01:40:38.240
<v Speaker 3>We knew that Harrison was gonna be a scumbag because we knew</v>

01:40:38.240 --> 01:40:40.240
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't Christian.</v>

01:40:40.240 --> 01:40:44.000
<v Speaker 3>We held our tongues because at the moment of the stream he</v>

01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:46.640
<v Speaker 3>had pulled back the cataclysm.</v>

01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:48.160
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna let it play out.</v>

01:40:48.160 --> 01:40:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Whatever he wants to do in public, he's gonna do in public</v>

01:40:50.240 --> 01:40:51.520
<v Speaker 3>and we will respond.</v>

01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:53.280
<v Speaker 3>We weren't going to try to get ahead of it and say</v>

01:40:53.280 --> 01:40:54.480
<v Speaker 3>how bad he was.</v>

01:40:54.480 --> 01:40:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Let him do what he's going to</v>

01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:56.400
do.

01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Either Scientology or the Stasi would be another one that would come</v>

01:41:01.360 --> 01:41:02.320
<v Speaker 2>to mind.</v>

01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:09.200
<v Speaker 2>The former internal security force of the DDR, the East German communist</v>

01:41:09.200 --> 01:41:10.640
<v Speaker 2>government. Yep.</v>

01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Very in very in keeping with what they do.</v>

01:41:13.280 --> 01:41:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Yep.</v>

01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well when when East Germany fell and they got into those</v>

01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:20.960
<v Speaker 3>records, it became clear that a quarter of the entire East German</v>

01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:23.120
<v Speaker 3>population was reporting on the rest.</v>

01:41:23.120 --> 01:41:24.720
<v Speaker 3>And that's Yes.</v>

01:41:25.360 --> 01:41:28.000
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of where the Senate is headed.</v>

01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:28.880
<v Speaker 3>And so</v>

01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:33.920
<v Speaker 3>one of the other things to highlight there is that we were</v>

01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:38.720
<v Speaker 3>targeted. not only not only is Harrison maintaining dossiers on us, but</v>

01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>he called the cops.</v>

01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Now think about that.</v>

01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:44.160
<v Speaker 3>He called the cops on four men who went on a stream</v>

01:41:44.160 --> 01:41:46.560
<v Speaker 3>and said this is false doctrine.</v>

01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:49.200
<v Speaker 3>And the pastor said that the FBI was involved.</v>

01:41:49.200 --> 01:41:53.600
<v Speaker 3>What's interesting about that, so his pastor told him that the FBI</v>

01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:55.200
<v Speaker 3>had been involved in this stream.</v>

01:41:55.200 --> 01:41:56.240
<v Speaker 3>He said May.</v>

01:41:56.240 --> 01:41:57.440
<v Speaker 3>He had heard the FBI.</v>

01:41:57.440 --> 01:41:58.480
<v Speaker 3>He knew that</v>

01:41:59.440 --> 01:42:04.400
<v Speaker 3>The same evening after Ash was told this by his pastor, that</v>

01:42:04.400 --> 01:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>the cops had been called on all four of us, that the</v>

01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:11.760
<v Speaker 3>FBI was looking into us, one of our other friends on Twitter,</v>

01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.320
<v Speaker 3>who had nothing to do with the stream, but he was a</v>

01:42:14.320 --> 01:42:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Twitter mutual.</v>

01:42:15.120 --> 01:42:16.160
<v Speaker 3>So we had interacted.</v>

01:42:16.160 --> 01:42:17.600
<v Speaker 3>He had interacted with us.</v>

01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:20.400
<v Speaker 3>He got a knock on the door from the cops at 10</v>

01:42:20.400 --> 01:42:24.160
<v Speaker 3>PM that evening, the same evening that Ash was told by his</v>

01:42:24.160 --> 01:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>pastor, yeah, we called the cops.</v>

01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Synod called the cops on you guys.</v>

01:42:28.240 --> 01:42:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Our friend got a knock on the door from the police who</v>

01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:35.760
<v Speaker 3>said one of your tweets related to abortion was reported to the</v>

01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:38.400
<v Speaker 3>FBI. We're here to check on you.</v>

01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:39.840
<v Speaker 3>And they walked away.</v>

01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:42.160
<v Speaker 3>They said, there's nothing to charge you with a crime.</v>

01:42:42.160 --> 01:42:43.200
<v Speaker 3>We're going to report back.</v>

01:42:43.200 --> 01:42:44.320
<v Speaker 3>You have an FBI file.</v>

01:42:44.320 --> 01:42:46.960
<v Speaker 3>This contact is going in your FBI file.</v>

01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:50.480
<v Speaker 3>So So in the same evening, we had two separate reports from</v>

01:42:50.480 --> 01:42:54.960
<v Speaker 3>friends saying the FBI has been contacted, the police have been called.</v>

01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:58.560
<v Speaker 3>After that, subsequent to that, like I think 11:30 that night, I</v>

01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:00.480
<v Speaker 3>tweeted FBI about the FBI.</v>

01:43:00.480 --> 01:43:03.600
<v Speaker 3>Now Ash had told Corey and me that this had happened, because</v>

01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:06.320
<v Speaker 3>again, is all this is unfolding in real time.</v>

01:43:06.320 --> 01:43:08.640
<v Speaker 3>We're just friends talking about what happened.</v>

01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:12.000
<v Speaker 3>And is Ash going to keep secret that his pastor has told</v>

01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:15.440
<v Speaker 3>him authoritatively the cops were called on all four of you.</v>

01:43:15.440 --> 01:43:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Of course our friend is going to tell us that.</v>

01:43:17.280 --> 01:43:19.840
<v Speaker 3>That's not any sort of conspiracy, that's just being a good friend.</v>

01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:20.640
<v Speaker 3>You know what?</v>

01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Synod called the cops on you, the FBI is involved.</v>

01:43:23.440 --> 01:43:26.640
<v Speaker 3>I would not have tweeted about the FBI being involved until our</v>

01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:30.240
<v Speaker 3>friend got a knock confirming that the FBI was called on all</v>

01:43:30.240 --> 01:43:31.040
<v Speaker 3>four of us.</v>

01:43:31.040 --> 01:43:32.320
<v Speaker 3>I have an FBI file.</v>

01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Now I don't know if I did before, probably not, because I'm</v>

01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:36.480
<v Speaker 3>not a criminal.</v>

01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Synod accused us of terrorism, accused us of violent threats.</v>

01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Synod opened an FBI file against us for speaking about false doctrine.</v>

01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:50.160
<v Speaker 3>When we say that Matt Harrison is a false prophet and a</v>

01:43:50.160 --> 01:43:53.440
<v Speaker 3>wolf and antichrist, this is why.</v>

01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:55.360
<v Speaker 3>This is evil behavior.</v>

01:43:55.360 --> 01:43:59.600
<v Speaker 3>It is expressly prohibited by scripture for a Christian to go to</v>

01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the authorities against another Christian.</v>

01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:06.560
<v Speaker 3>And even on paper, I'm still a Christian, I'm still in good</v>

01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:08.560
<v Speaker 3>standing in my congregation.</v>

01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Nothing has been done to me.</v>

01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I am a Christian in fellowship with Matt, in theory.</v>

01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I have no fellowship with him because I have no fellowship with</v>

01:44:16.480 --> 01:44:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Satan. But But the fact that these things are being done to</v>

01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:22.880
<v Speaker 3>us and that we were finding out in real time, we didn't</v>

01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:23.600
<v Speaker 3>say that this stuff.</v>

01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:24.880
<v Speaker 3>We intimated some of it.</v>

01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I warned other people.</v>

01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:28.480
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I w I had a duty to my followers</v>

01:44:28.480 --> 01:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>to warn them.</v>

01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:33.520
<v Speaker 3>Employees of the LCMS are going through our timelines and calling the</v>

01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:34.480
<v Speaker 3>cops on us.</v>

01:44:34.480 --> 01:44:36.800
<v Speaker 3>You should be aware of that.</v>

01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:39.280
<v Speaker 3>That's it's unconscionable.</v>

01:44:39.280 --> 01:44:41.120
<v Speaker 3>It is absolutely evil.</v>

01:44:41.120 --> 01:44:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Matt Harrison did this</v>

01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:44.960
And

01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:50.160
<v Speaker 2>so this is something that those who engage on Twitter and elsewhere</v>

01:44:50.160 --> 01:44:53.120
<v Speaker 2>should probably consider.</v>

01:44:53.120 --> 01:44:57.840
<v Speaker 2>There are certain things that the FBI in particular, but law enforcement</v>

01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:03.360
<v Speaker 2>more generally, are going to take I wouldn't say seriously, but they're</v>

01:45:03.280 --> 01:45:06.080
<v Speaker 2>going to treat them as if they're serious, and one is critiquing</v>

01:45:06.080 --> 01:45:08.560
<v Speaker 2>abortion. I'm not telling you not to do so.</v>

01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I am saying that there are real There are real considerations if</v>

01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:12.080
<v Speaker 2>you do.</v>

01:45:12.080 --> 01:45:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I've obviously staked out my position.</v>

01:45:14.400 --> 01:45:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I have an article on my site called Killing Abortionists is moral,</v>

01:45:18.240 --> 01:45:21.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's been up since twenty nineteen and I will not take</v>

01:45:21.120 --> 01:45:22.160
<v Speaker 2>it down.</v>

01:45:22.160 --> 01:45:27.040
<v Speaker 2>So I've very clearly chosen my position on this matter.</v>

01:45:27.040 --> 01:45:28.880
<v Speaker 2>But you can see</v>

01:45:30.080 --> 01:45:34.400
<v Speaker 2>with how society the enforcers of society react to these things what</v>

01:45:34.400 --> 01:45:40.800
<v Speaker 2>they truly value and abortion is a sacrament for our society.</v>

01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>It is a sacrament in our secular so called religion.</v>

01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:49.200
<v Speaker 2>And if you attack their idols, they are going to respond as</v>

01:45:49.200 --> 01:45:53.280
<v Speaker 2>you would expect someone to respond when you are attacking his God.</v>

01:45:53.280 --> 01:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Now if only Christians would respond that way when people attack God,</v>

01:45:56.800 --> 01:46:01.760
<v Speaker 2>but that's a topic for another episode, perhaps.</v>

01:46:02.080 --> 01:46:04.240
<v Speaker 3>But we very much have attacked their gods.</v>

01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:06.000
<v Speaker 3>This is something that plays out.</v>

01:46:06.240 --> 01:46:10.080
<v Speaker 3>in the course of Ash's interrogation by his pastors and his elder</v>

01:46:10.320 --> 01:46:13.440
<v Speaker 3>who ambushed him, he goes through what his gods are.</v>

01:46:13.440 --> 01:46:16.560
<v Speaker 3>He begins by saying, his pastor begins by saying that Ash is</v>

01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:19.600
<v Speaker 3>guilty by association with us.</v>

01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Where did we hear that before?</v>

01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:22.000
<v Speaker 3>With Indy.</v>

01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:25.440
<v Speaker 3>So at this point when Ash told us he recounted what had</v>

01:46:25.440 --> 01:46:29.600
<v Speaker 3>happened in this interrogation, the At this point we know is a</v>

01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:32.160
<v Speaker 3>pattern. Corey obviously was directly targeted.</v>

01:46:32.160 --> 01:46:35.120
<v Speaker 3>He was read the Riot Act and then they called the cops.</v>

01:46:35.120 --> 01:46:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Indy was interrogated for three hours for guilt by association.</v>

01:46:39.200 --> 01:46:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Ash was interrogated for hours for guilt by association.</v>

01:46:44.080 --> 01:46:45.520
<v Speaker 3>The association with what?</v>

01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Association with Stone Choir with Cory with me.</v>

01:46:49.120 --> 01:46:52.480
<v Speaker 3>And to get to the gods, the things that Corey had said</v>

01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:57.280
<v Speaker 3>and that I have said online that caused them to interrogate Mash</v>

01:46:57.360 --> 01:47:02.240
<v Speaker 3>to say, you're not a Christian if you're friends with these men.</v>

01:47:02.240 --> 01:47:08.800
<v Speaker 3>They related to race, to interracial marriage, to subjection of women to</v>

01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:12.240
<v Speaker 3>the idea that perhaps women can be legally property.</v>

01:47:12.240 --> 01:47:15.440
<v Speaker 3>These are all things that we've done episodes on since then.</v>

01:47:15.440 --> 01:47:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Not in response to this directly, but because these are the false</v>

01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:21.440
<v Speaker 3>gods of this age.</v>

01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Interracial marriage is an interesting one.</v>

01:47:23.440 --> 01:47:26.720
<v Speaker 3>We've hardly said anything about it on Stone Choir.</v>

01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:28.480
<v Speaker 3>It's been mentioned as an aside.</v>

01:47:28.480 --> 01:47:33.360
<v Speaker 3>After Harrison vehemently defended it in his screed against us, we took</v>

01:47:33.360 --> 01:47:35.760
<v Speaker 3>a few minutes in that episode to talk about it, not to</v>

01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:39.120
<v Speaker 3>lay out a defense of of what we think, but simply to</v>

01:47:39.120 --> 01:47:43.760
<v Speaker 3>point out that just like with sodomy laws, where Harrison doesn't doesn't</v>

01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:46.880
<v Speaker 3>think it should be illegal for sodomites, that it should be legal</v>

01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:49.840
<v Speaker 3>for sodomites to do whatever they're doing as long as they're not</v>

01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:50.800
<v Speaker 3>hurting anyone.</v>

01:47:50.800 --> 01:47:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Basically, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Lutheran</v>

01:47:55.040 --> 01:47:56.960
<v Speaker 3>confession. That's what he's saying.</v>

01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:59.440
<v Speaker 3>And you know, by the way, if it's bad, then they need</v>

01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Jesus, but they're not gonna stop wanting to do those evil things.</v>

01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:06.160
<v Speaker 3>That's one of the things in the large cataclysm.</v>

01:48:06.160 --> 01:48:10.880
<v Speaker 3>If you are beset by these sins, there's no sanctification for you.</v>

01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:14.000
<v Speaker 3>If you want to rape children, you're always going to want it.</v>

01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:16.400
<v Speaker 3>If you're a sodomite, you're always going to want those things.</v>

01:48:16.400 --> 01:48:19.840
<v Speaker 3>It literally says that there's no hope for you, even in Christ,</v>

01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:22.480
<v Speaker 3>to be freed from such evil burdens.</v>

01:48:22.480 --> 01:48:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Which is patently false.</v>

01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:28.000
<v Speaker 3>He is directly in contradiction to scripture, to Christian doctrine, to Lutheran</v>

01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:31.040
<v Speaker 3>doctrine. Why is Harrison pushing it?</v>

01:48:31.040 --> 01:48:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Because he needs to.</v>

01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:35.360
<v Speaker 3>He needs to push these lies.</v>

01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:39.920
<v Speaker 3>One of the remarkable things that happened in this meeting on February</v>

01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:44.480
<v Speaker 3>23rd was that another pastor's name was invoked slanderously.</v>

01:48:44.480 --> 01:48:50.240
<v Speaker 3>Ash's pastor directly went after Mark Price to attack Ash.</v>

01:48:50.240 --> 01:48:52.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they Mark Price isn't Twitter as far as I</v>

01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:54.240
<v Speaker 3>know. I don't believe he is.</v>

01:48:54.240 --> 01:48:58.560
<v Speaker 3>But the fact that Mark Price had ever said anything related to</v>

01:48:59.200 --> 01:49:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the station of women with regard to the station of men is</v>

01:49:03.040 --> 01:49:08.800
<v Speaker 3>vis-a-vis equality, gender equality, as it's called today.</v>

01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Ash was interrogated, do you like Mark Price say that women should</v>

01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:16.320
<v Speaker 3>not speak outside of the home, and certainly not to other men?</v>

01:49:16.400 --> 01:49:16.800
<v Speaker 3>And And</v>

01:49:18.240 --> 01:49:23.600
<v Speaker 3>when Ash was surprised that he would invoke Mark Price's name, and</v>

01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:26.240
<v Speaker 3>Ash said something in fact they didn't think he went that hard,</v>

01:49:26.240 --> 01:49:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Ash's pastor said, Oh yes, it's my understanding that he goes every</v>

01:49:29.280 --> 01:49:32.720
<v Speaker 3>bit as hard, and he's recruited other men in Wyoming to do</v>

01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:36.240
<v Speaker 3>this way of thinking, and they're starting a college to spread these</v>

01:49:36.240 --> 01:49:38.880
<v Speaker 3>views. To which Ash can only chuckle and say, Then why is</v>

01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:40.720
<v Speaker 3>it a coed college?</v>

01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:45.440
<v Speaker 3>So this slander that's being directed in secret against us, if you</v>

01:49:45.440 --> 01:49:49.760
<v Speaker 3>pastors think you're skating by you're not, this pastor, Ash's pastor, directly</v>

01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:51.440
<v Speaker 3>slandered Merc Price.</v>

01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:54.640
<v Speaker 3>these slander is a key part of all of this.</v>

01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:58.560
<v Speaker 3>The reason I'm giving this specific example publicly is that it's evil,</v>

01:49:58.560 --> 01:50:02.320
<v Speaker 3>it's malicious, and it's par for the course.</v>

01:50:02.320 --> 01:50:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Reputations are being destroyed in secret by pastors of the Missouri Senate</v>

01:50:07.360 --> 01:50:08.480
<v Speaker 3>every day.</v>

01:50:08.480 --> 01:50:13.200
<v Speaker 3>These Senate agents are freely lying about anyone they don't like.</v>

01:50:13.200 --> 01:50:14.240
<v Speaker 3>And for what?</v>

01:50:14.240 --> 01:50:17.760
<v Speaker 3>For saying what's in the Bible to say that women should not</v>

01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:21.040
<v Speaker 3>speak in the church service is in the Bible.</v>

01:50:21.040 --> 01:50:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Men who disagree with that disagree with God.</v>

01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:26.560
<v Speaker 3>And if you and I have one have an argument over it,</v>

01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:27.040
<v Speaker 3>that's fine.</v>

01:50:27.040 --> 01:50:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't think you're going to hell.</v>

01:50:28.320 --> 01:50:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I think you're wrong, and I think I can prove it from</v>

01:50:30.160 --> 01:50:34.320
<v Speaker 3>scripture. These men will destroy your life, they'll destroy your reputation, and</v>

01:50:34.320 --> 01:50:36.720
<v Speaker 3>they will expel you from church for believing it.</v>

01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:39.920
<v Speaker 3>This is not a Christian church, this is a cult.</v>

01:50:40.240 --> 01:50:44.720
<v Speaker 3>So after attacking Ash for a Christian view of headship and interrogating</v>

01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:48.160
<v Speaker 3>whether he agreed with us that the Bible was right, the next</v>

01:50:48.160 --> 01:50:50.320
<v Speaker 3>question was, was he alt-right?</v>

01:50:50.320 --> 01:50:53.200
<v Speaker 3>And he sort of laughed because it's such an idiotic term.</v>

01:50:53.200 --> 01:50:56.640
<v Speaker 3>And it's a term that Harrison used, it's a term that Kilcrease</v>

01:50:56.640 --> 01:50:58.240
<v Speaker 3>has used for years.</v>

01:50:58.240 --> 01:51:01.680
<v Speaker 3>And when when Ash asked what it was, one of the elders</v>

01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:04.160
<v Speaker 3>said a terrorist verbatim.</v>

01:51:04.160 --> 01:51:05.360
<v Speaker 3>He said a terrorist.</v>

01:51:05.360 --> 01:51:08.000
<v Speaker 3>And Ash laughed, 'cause he thought he was joking as that was</v>

01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:08.800
<v Speaker 3>so absurd.</v>

01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:11.280
<v Speaker 3>And he clarified that he was utterly serious.</v>

01:51:11.280 --> 01:51:14.880
<v Speaker 3>He stated that no, I am Ash said I'm no terrorist.</v>

01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:18.560
<v Speaker 3>But the implication is that when Matt Harrison says all right, he</v>

01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:19.840
<v Speaker 3>means terrorist.</v>

01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:21.040
<v Speaker 3>How do we know that?</v>

01:51:21.040 --> 01:51:22.880
<v Speaker 3>He called the FBI.</v>

01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Now, if you're paying attention to anything else in the news cycle,</v>

01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:29.520
<v Speaker 3>you know how important that is, because the Biden administration is currently</v>

01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:37.360
<v Speaker 3>attempting to infiltrate Christian churches specifically to look for violent white supremacist</v>

01:51:37.360 --> 01:51:42.320
<v Speaker 3>terrorism. What is the Missouri Synod giving to the FBI?</v>

01:51:42.320 --> 01:51:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Violent white supremacist terrorists?</v>

01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:46.400
<v Speaker 3>That is their claim.</v>

01:51:46.400 --> 01:51:50.320
<v Speaker 3>He Harrison says that flat out in writing, and he said it</v>

01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:53.680
<v Speaker 3>multiple times since then in public, in events that he thought were</v>

01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:54.960
<v Speaker 3>private, but they were not.</v>

01:51:54.960 --> 01:51:58.640
<v Speaker 3>Everything that Harrison does according to his public office is per se</v>

01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:03.040
<v Speaker 3>public. Unless it is a one on one thing within the pastoral</v>

01:52:03.040 --> 01:52:05.600
<v Speaker 3>office, what he is doing is public Doing is public conduct.</v>

01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:09.520
<v Speaker 3>So when he gets up at a convention or he gives a</v>

01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:13.280
<v Speaker 3>speech and he calls us white supremacists and makes allusions to us</v>

01:52:13.280 --> 01:52:17.120
<v Speaker 3>being terrorists, that endangers our lives.</v>

01:52:17.120 --> 01:52:20.400
<v Speaker 3>When he called the FBI, he endangered our lives.</v>

01:52:20.400 --> 01:52:22.160
<v Speaker 3>That's how people get swatted.</v>

01:52:22.160 --> 01:52:27.040
<v Speaker 3>That's how terrible things, violent things happen, that are horrific tragedies.</v>

01:52:27.040 --> 01:52:31.520
<v Speaker 3>And the bloodshed is virtually always the target, which is the whole</v>

01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:35.920
<v Speaker 3>point. This intimidation, this this threats, this is the terrorism.</v>

01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:37.360
<v Speaker 3>You want to talk about terrorism?</v>

01:52:37.360 --> 01:52:39.440
<v Speaker 3>What Antifa does is terrorism.</v>

01:52:39.440 --> 01:52:43.520
<v Speaker 3>When people are so afraid of the name Antifa that they'll kick</v>

01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:46.640
<v Speaker 3>you out because they're afraid of Antifa showing up, that is the</v>

01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:49.040
<v Speaker 3>threat of violence achieving their goals.</v>

01:52:49.040 --> 01:52:52.080
<v Speaker 3>That's literally what Synod is doing here.</v>

01:52:52.080 --> 01:52:55.360
<v Speaker 3>By labeling us as alt-right and as terrorists, saying that those are</v>

01:52:55.360 --> 01:53:01.760
<v Speaker 3>synonymous, that is in j is jeopardizing our lives, our physical flesh</v>

01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:05.600
<v Speaker 3>and blood, and our property, and our reputations.</v>

01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:07.280
<v Speaker 3>This is not small stuff.</v>

01:53:07.280 --> 01:53:09.280
<v Speaker 3>And again, what started it?</v>

01:53:09.280 --> 01:53:13.200
<v Speaker 3>The large catechism with annotations.</v>

01:53:13.200 --> 01:53:14.880
<v Speaker 3>That's it.</v>

01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Harrison published something.</v>

01:53:16.240 --> 01:53:18.640
<v Speaker 3>We said, hey, there's some bad doctrine in here.</v>

01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Cops called.</v>

01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:24.640
<v Speaker 3>That is it's unspeakable.</v>

01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:28.240
<v Speaker 3>One of the last things that came up in Ash's interrogation, and</v>

01:53:28.240 --> 01:53:31.840
<v Speaker 3>the reason we mentioned this first, was he was accused of viciously</v>

01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:32.640
<v Speaker 3>attacking Mrs.</v>

01:53:32.720 --> 01:53:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Jonathan Lackey.</v>

01:53:34.400 --> 01:53:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Very first episode he did, back when Ash was still on Twitter,</v>

01:53:38.240 --> 01:53:41.600
<v Speaker 3>when we were talking about this, the very first episode we go</v>

01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:47.840
<v Speaker 3>over all the details where CPH publishing that book was something evil.</v>

01:53:47.840 --> 01:53:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Publishing a book by a girl teaching theology is evil.</v>

01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Evil is that which is contrary to God's will.</v>

01:53:53.120 --> 01:53:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Scripture is clear that that is not to happen.</v>

01:53:55.360 --> 01:53:56.960
<v Speaker 3>The Missouri Synod is doing it.</v>

01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:59.680
<v Speaker 3>The Missouri Synod is doing evil things.</v>

01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:02.080
<v Speaker 3>In those threads, I don't think we initially called them evil.</v>

01:54:02.080 --> 01:54:05.360
<v Speaker 3>We just said this is this is not obeying God.</v>

01:54:05.360 --> 01:54:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Ash is very gentle, he's very nice.</v>

01:54:08.560 --> 01:54:12.320
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't go one tenth as hard as we would on our</v>

01:54:12.320 --> 01:54:13.440
<v Speaker 3>softest days.</v>

01:54:13.440 --> 01:54:14.560
<v Speaker 3>That's fine, I love him for it.</v>

01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:19.840
<v Speaker 3>We need reasonable men who can say the correct things in ways</v>

01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:22.080
<v Speaker 3>that don't get everybody's hackles up.</v>

01:54:22.080 --> 01:54:24.000
<v Speaker 3>That's not why we're here, though.</v>

01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:28.800
<v Speaker 3>And so the fact that going back to October of last year</v>

01:54:29.040 --> 01:54:33.840
<v Speaker 3>is one of the charges against Ash shows that what Ash's pastor</v>

01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:34.880
<v Speaker 3>said is true.</v>

01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:37.600
<v Speaker 3>There are dossiers at synod against us.</v>

01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:39.440
<v Speaker 3>And what are they against us for?</v>

01:54:39.440 --> 01:54:41.440
<v Speaker 3>For disagreeing with synod.</v>

01:54:41.440 --> 01:54:42.800
<v Speaker 3>This is call behavior.</v>

01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Ash said something about a woman publishing a book with CPH.</v>

01:54:47.440 --> 01:54:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Matt Harrison's Janissaries jotted it down, put it on his permanent file,</v>

01:54:52.320 --> 01:54:55.200
<v Speaker 3>and when it came time to place him under church discipline he</v>

01:54:55.200 --> 01:54:56.480
<v Speaker 3>was accused of it.</v>

01:54:56.480 --> 01:54:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to be in this church?</v>

01:54:58.320 --> 01:55:00.800
<v Speaker 3>I'll ask you point blank, would you want to be in a</v>

01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:03.200
<v Speaker 3>church that would do this to a layman?</v>

01:55:03.200 --> 01:55:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Even if he was in the wrong, even if someone's doing bad</v>

01:55:06.160 --> 01:55:11.520
<v Speaker 3>things, is having dossiers and calling police church discipline?</v>

01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Is it how Christians treat each other?</v>

01:55:14.480 --> 01:55:17.840
<v Speaker 3>The answer answer is unequivocally no.</v>

01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:21.520
<v Speaker 3>It is the conduct, however, the Missouri Senate.</v>

01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:25.360
<v Speaker 2>And so the next item, which was actually the same day, this</v>

01:55:25.360 --> 01:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>was a busy Thursday, the twenty third of february, I published sort</v>

01:55:31.440 --> 01:55:32.640
<v Speaker 2>of the first summary of</v>

01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:38.240
<v Speaker 2>what was going on in the Missouri Senate with regard to these</v>

01:55:38.240 --> 01:55:42.400
<v Speaker 2>matters, and that is my article, The Apostasy of Missouri, that goes</v>

01:55:42.400 --> 01:55:46.560
<v Speaker 2>through more than an outline, but not with a level of detail</v>

01:55:47.040 --> 01:55:49.280
<v Speaker 2>that we are including here.</v>

01:55:49.280 --> 01:55:54.080
<v Speaker 2>But it highlights what was being done by Matt Harrison and his</v>

01:55:54.080 --> 01:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>lackeys. I started of course with Super Lutheran, the Godcast, and the</v>

01:55:58.160 --> 01:56:01.440
<v Speaker 2>ALC because that is where some of this started with regard to</v>

01:56:01.440 --> 01:56:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Cooper and part of why he hates me particularly, and part</v>

01:56:05.920 --> 01:56:11.200
<v Speaker 2>of why he hates Wo, although to some degree mistakenly believing he</v>

01:56:11.200 --> 01:56:17.600
<v Speaker 2>was super Lutheran not the same person, I well aware of that.</v>

01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:20.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's I'll link to that because that has the complaint letter</v>

01:56:20.800 --> 01:56:22.080
<v Speaker 2>and such.</v>

01:56:22.240 --> 01:56:22.400
The

01:56:22.400 --> 01:56:25.600
<v Speaker 3>reason that Jordan Cooper hates me personally is that I was doing</v>

01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:28.560
<v Speaker 3>significant damage to the lies that he was telling online.</v>

01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Three years ago, Cooper was bragging about driving so-called alt-right men from</v>

01:56:33.840 --> 01:56:34.800
<v Speaker 3>the church.</v>

01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:36.480
<v Speaker 3>And I used to be a fan of Cooper.</v>

01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:38.240
<v Speaker 3>I used to watch all his videos.</v>

01:56:38.240 --> 01:56:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Like I pointed people to him and said, Here's some good Lutheran</v>

01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:44.960
<v Speaker 3>content. I didn't start as an enemy or an adversary of any</v>

01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:45.920
<v Speaker 3>of these guys.</v>

01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:48.560
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't until I saw more and more of their conduct that</v>

01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:53.360
<v Speaker 3>I realized that What seemed to be in some parts faithful.</v>

01:56:53.360 --> 01:56:57.120
<v Speaker 3>And frankly, you know, the conduct, the the statements that they make</v>

01:56:57.200 --> 01:57:00.160
<v Speaker 3>in many cases is true to Lutheran doctrine.</v>

01:57:00.160 --> 01:57:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Just as when Satan quotes scripture, he's saying what God says, but</v>

01:57:04.400 --> 01:57:09.680
<v Speaker 3>when they get into these modern religious views on sex, on both</v>

01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:14.800
<v Speaker 3>intercourse and biological sex, when they get into the questions of headship,</v>

01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:17.280
<v Speaker 3>suddenly these men break cranks with Christianity</v>

01:57:18.400 --> 01:57:23.680
<v Speaker 3>and they go, you know, what is colloquially called far left, what</v>

01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:25.440
<v Speaker 3>it is is satanic.</v>

01:57:25.440 --> 01:57:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Cooper began doing that more and more.</v>

01:57:27.520 --> 01:57:31.120
<v Speaker 3>He began doing things like denying that there's an ontological basis for</v>

01:57:31.120 --> 01:57:36.080
<v Speaker 3>the pastoral office being limited by God to men for a reason.</v>

01:57:36.080 --> 01:57:39.200
<v Speaker 3>See, these guys don't think that Jesus was born a man, they</v>

01:57:39.280 --> 01:57:43.440
<v Speaker 3>think he was born human that just happened to accidentally have masculine</v>

01:57:43.440 --> 01:57:48.240
<v Speaker 3>characteristics. When you read the description and revelation of Christ before the</v>

01:57:48.240 --> 01:57:52.480
<v Speaker 3>throne, it's the perfect picture of masculinity.</v>

01:57:52.480 --> 01:57:56.720
<v Speaker 3>You would never read the description and think that this was not</v>

01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:58.000
<v Speaker 3>a man.</v>

01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:02.320
<v Speaker 3>Is so much a man that it we we are only typologically</v>

01:58:02.320 --> 01:58:06.800
<v Speaker 3>men in the image of the anti type of Christ as the</v>

01:58:06.880 --> 01:58:11.120
<v Speaker 3>person the perfect man, and I don't simply mean in his incarnate</v>

01:58:11.120 --> 01:58:16.160
<v Speaker 3>body, but we are made in the image of that which preexisted.</v>

01:58:16.160 --> 01:58:18.240
<v Speaker 3>And it's masculine.</v>

01:58:18.240 --> 01:58:22.720
<v Speaker 3>All three parts of the Trinity are referred to with masculine pronouns.</v>

01:58:22.720 --> 01:58:23.840
<v Speaker 3>That's not a coincidence.</v>

01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:25.680
<v Speaker 3>That's not a linguistic trick.</v>

01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:27.760
<v Speaker 3>It's what God gave us.</v>

01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:31.840
<v Speaker 3>And so men like Cooper started doing more and more subversive things.</v>

01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:36.080
<v Speaker 3>I started going after him Not targeting him personally, but saying this</v>

01:58:36.080 --> 01:58:39.760
<v Speaker 3>guy who claims to be Lutheran is saying stuff that's not Lutheran.</v>

01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Same thing we're doing with Harrison, or we did initially with Harrison.</v>

01:58:43.280 --> 01:58:46.960
<v Speaker 3>These men say they're Lutheran, but they're not saying Lutheran things, something's</v>

01:58:46.960 --> 01:58:51.360
<v Speaker 3>wrong. Cooper personally got me banned from Twitter a few years ago</v>

01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:52.000
<v Speaker 3>because</v>

01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:57.520
<v Speaker 3>his reputation as a Lutheran was being harmed by me pointing out</v>

01:58:57.520 --> 01:59:01.040
<v Speaker 3>facts, like when he says he's learning at the feet of sodomites</v>

01:59:01.280 --> 01:59:05.680
<v Speaker 3>in Lesbianville USA, which is verbatim from one of his tweets, in</v>

01:59:05.680 --> 01:59:08.880
<v Speaker 3>defense to someone saying that he should just mind his own business</v>

01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:10.560
<v Speaker 3>when talking about sodomites.</v>

01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:11.680
<v Speaker 3>That was his defense.</v>

01:59:11.680 --> 01:59:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I grew up in Lesbianville, USA.</v>

01:59:13.680 --> 01:59:16.160
<v Speaker 3>I have a I have a place at the table because I</v>

01:59:16.160 --> 01:59:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I sat under the table with these sodomites.</v>

01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:22.160
<v Speaker 3>I learned from them, and so I can communicate with you in</v>

01:59:22.160 --> 01:59:23.360
<v Speaker 3>their terms.</v>

01:59:23.360 --> 01:59:25.520
<v Speaker 3>This is the spirit of the AELC.</v>

01:59:25.520 --> 01:59:29.280
<v Speaker 3>So when he went after Super, he hated Super anyway, he hated</v>

01:59:29.280 --> 01:59:32.560
<v Speaker 3>me. He banked, he was confused briefly thinking we were the same</v>

01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:35.760
<v Speaker 3>person. He was going to destroy Super no matter what, because Super's</v>

01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:37.760
<v Speaker 3>ministry online was effective.</v>

01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Super Super brought thousands of men out of out of darkness.</v>

01:59:43.200 --> 01:59:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Men who were angry all the things that they say about us,</v>

01:59:46.400 --> 01:59:48.000
<v Speaker 3>men who were not</v>

01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:50.560
<v Speaker 3>who were deaf to the word of God.</v>

01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:54.480
<v Speaker 3>All they saw was a horror in the world.</v>

01:59:54.480 --> 01:59:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Some of them listened to the Godcast with Super Lutheran, and he</v>

01:59:58.480 --> 02:00:02.240
<v Speaker 3>helped bring them to Christ by talking about scripture and by dealing</v>

02:00:02.240 --> 02:00:05.920
<v Speaker 3>with their issues, the things that they knew about in honest terms</v>

02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:07.760
<v Speaker 3>and in Christian terms.</v>

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:11.760
<v Speaker 3>That is the single worst thing that you can do in Lutheranism</v>

02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:14.080
<v Speaker 3>today. It's what Corey's been doing for years.</v>

02:00:14.080 --> 02:00:15.760
<v Speaker 3>It's what I've been doing for years.</v>

02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:19.280
<v Speaker 3>So super, Corey and I have all been targeted by the AALC</v>

02:00:19.280 --> 02:00:22.240
<v Speaker 3>for trying to reach out to men that the world despises.</v>

02:00:22.240 --> 02:00:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Who are they?</v>

02:00:23.040 --> 02:00:24.080
<v Speaker 3>They're white men.</v>

02:00:24.080 --> 02:00:25.360
<v Speaker 3>They're conservative.</v>

02:00:25.360 --> 02:00:28.320
<v Speaker 3>In some cases they're not Christian at all, and I want more</v>

02:00:28.320 --> 02:00:29.840
<v Speaker 3>than anything to fix that.</v>

02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:31.840
<v Speaker 3>By telling them about God.</v>

02:00:31.840 --> 02:00:34.720
<v Speaker 3>But you cannot tell a man about God if you start by</v>

02:00:34.720 --> 02:00:37.040
<v Speaker 3>lying to him about creation.</v>

02:00:37.040 --> 02:00:40.240
<v Speaker 3>And so all the episodes we did on race, on headship, on</v>

02:00:40.240 --> 02:00:44.080
<v Speaker 3>everyone else, all those other subjects, there are many men who are</v>

02:00:44.080 --> 02:00:47.440
<v Speaker 3>not Christian, or they're marginally Christian, who when</v>

02:00:48.400 --> 02:00:52.720
<v Speaker 3>they hear those things described in an honest way by Christians like</v>

02:00:52.720 --> 02:00:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Corey Super and I, they're like, okay, I get it.</v>

02:00:55.760 --> 02:01:02.240
<v Speaker 3>I see now that Christianity is not what Nietzsche says, that it's</v>

02:01:02.240 --> 02:01:06.800
<v Speaker 3>not what Antifa says or what Biden says, that it's actually something</v>

02:01:06.800 --> 02:01:08.560
<v Speaker 3>that is true and faithful to God.</v>

02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:11.520
<v Speaker 3>And that I won't be ashamed to hold as a man.</v>

02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Because a man who doesn't know God knows that he has to</v>

02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:18.960
<v Speaker 3>protect his family and his community, wants to be a good man.</v>

02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Those are things that God placed in his heart at creation, at</v>

02:01:22.400 --> 02:01:24.000
<v Speaker 3>his own creation.</v>

02:01:24.000 --> 02:01:27.360
<v Speaker 3>That is the image of God which is damaged in the fall.</v>

02:01:27.360 --> 02:01:30.080
<v Speaker 3>And it's only by bringing these men the gospel that they can</v>

02:01:30.080 --> 02:01:33.440
<v Speaker 3>have the image of God restored, such as they can live Christian</v>

02:01:33.440 --> 02:01:36.640
<v Speaker 3>lives and be with us in heaven.</v>

02:01:36.640 --> 02:01:40.320
<v Speaker 3>Harrison, ALC, none of these people want to see those men in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>our churches.</v>

02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:42.000
<v Speaker 3>They want to drive them out.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So why are there dossiers in St.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Louis for us to ensure that as many of these men are</v>

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<v Speaker 3>driven from the church as possible.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Two quick points about Super Lutheran, the God cast, Jordan Cooper, and</v>

02:01:56.480 --> 02:01:57.680
<v Speaker 2>the ALC.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, that's two points about four things.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>First, the AALC is well aware of exactly what Jordan</v>

02:02:08.480 --> 02:02:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Cooper is doing and what he has said.</v>

02:02:12.080 --> 02:02:15.120
<v Speaker 2>And I know that for a fact because I handed them the</v>

02:02:15.120 --> 02:02:20.000
<v Speaker 2>hard drive that had screenshots of many of his tweets and links</v>

02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:24.400
<v Speaker 2>to his YouTube videos where he has said things that are abominable,</v>

02:02:24.400 --> 02:02:27.280
<v Speaker 2>that are false, where he has made these comments that he is</v>

02:02:27.280 --> 02:02:29.440
<v Speaker 2>driving men away from Lutheranism.</v>

02:02:29.440 --> 02:02:30.720
<v Speaker 2>So they know.</v>

02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I handed that to the panel, and the gentlemen who were the</v>

02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:42.000
<v Speaker 2>prosecuting attorneys, as it were, not attorneys actually, but pastors, they had</v>

02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.400
<v Speaker 2>access to that information.</v>

02:02:44.400 --> 02:02:47.040
<v Speaker 2>They are friends with all of the individuals.</v>

02:02:47.040 --> 02:02:51.680
<v Speaker 2>One of them is the head pastor of the ALC.</v>

02:02:51.680 --> 02:02:54.800
<v Speaker 2>So they, this is not something that is hidden from them.</v>

02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:57.200
<v Speaker 2>This is not something that Cooper is doing in secret.</v>

02:02:57.200 --> 02:02:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Of course he's doing it publicly on the internet, but that doesn't</v>

02:02:59.600 --> 02:03:03.440
<v Speaker 2>mean that some of these older pastors are aware they do know,</v>

02:03:03.440 --> 02:03:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and I know they know.</v>

02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:09.120
<v Speaker 2>And secondly, when it comes to the number of men who have</v>

02:03:09.120 --> 02:03:12.160
<v Speaker 2>come into the faith or returned to the faith because of the</v>

02:03:12.160 --> 02:03:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Godcast, because of the work that super Lutheran and others are doing</v>

02:03:16.320 --> 02:03:20.240
<v Speaker 2>on the Godcast, I know how many.</v>

02:03:20.240 --> 02:03:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Because I've seen the emails.</v>

02:03:22.480 --> 02:03:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I've seen the messages.</v>

02:03:25.280 --> 02:03:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Because that was one of the arguments that was made before that</v>

02:03:28.560 --> 02:03:31.600
<v Speaker 2>panel. This is an effective ministry.</v>

02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:35.280
<v Speaker 2>If a ministry is effective, it is because it is blessed by</v>

02:03:35.280 --> 02:03:38.240
<v Speaker 2>God. It is because it is speaking the truth.</v>

02:03:38.240 --> 02:03:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Because a tree is known by its fruit, and so a tree</v>

02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:43.840
<v Speaker 2>that is bearing fruit is a good tree.</v>

02:03:44.240 --> 02:03:46.320
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean the tree is perfect.</v>

02:03:46.320 --> 02:03:48.960
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean the doctrine is always one hundred percent on point.</v>

02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Of course we may have disagreements.</v>

02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:55.440
<v Speaker 2>But if God is blessing it, then who are these men to</v>

02:03:55.440 --> 02:03:57.440
<v Speaker 2>stand in the way of it and tell God that he is</v>

02:03:57.440 --> 02:03:58.320
<v Speaker 2>wrong?</v>

02:04:01.920 --> 02:04:06.080
<v Speaker 2>But to return to the timeline, the next day, the twenty fourth</v>

02:04:06.080 --> 02:04:10.800
<v Speaker 2>of February, Ash made a phone call to DP Narens in order</v>

02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:14.160
<v Speaker 2>to request a meeting regarding these allegations.</v>

02:04:14.160 --> 02:04:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Because that is what Christians do.</v>

02:04:16.720 --> 02:04:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Christians the first step is to meet with your brother personally, and</v>

02:04:22.640 --> 02:04:26.240
<v Speaker 2>that has basically not been done in any of these cases.</v>

02:04:26.240 --> 02:04:30.080
<v Speaker 2>It has always been an ambush by a panel at best.</v>

02:04:30.080 --> 02:04:33.600
<v Speaker 2>In my case, it was not even a discussion with the panel.</v>

02:04:33.600 --> 02:04:36.320
<v Speaker 2>But in most of these cases, it has been an ambush and</v>

02:04:36.320 --> 02:04:37.920
<v Speaker 2>an interrogation.</v>

02:04:37.920 --> 02:04:40.480
<v Speaker 2>And that is not how this is supposed to be conducted.</v>

02:04:40.480 --> 02:04:42.880
<v Speaker 2>That is not how Christians conduct themselves.</v>

02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:46.800
<v Speaker 2>That is not what Scripture says Christians must do.</v>

02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:49.760
<v Speaker 2>And so Ashir is doing the right thing.</v>

02:04:49.760 --> 02:04:51.040
<v Speaker 2>He is contacting directly</v>

02:04:52.160 --> 02:04:56.400
<v Speaker 2>a man he has been told is bringing these charges against him,</v>

02:04:56.400 --> 02:05:00.320
<v Speaker 2>promoting these allegations, and saying we need to have a discussion as</v>

02:05:00.320 --> 02:05:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Christians. So moving to the next month, this is of course now</v>

02:05:06.080 --> 02:05:11.600
<v Speaker 2>March, the first of March, in fact, Ryan's father received an email</v>

02:05:11.600 --> 02:05:13.520
<v Speaker 2>from his pastor.</v>

02:05:13.520 --> 02:05:16.000
<v Speaker 2>And basically the thrust of that email</v>

02:05:16.880 --> 02:05:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you can find some of this information in Ryan's thread, but the</v>

02:05:21.360 --> 02:05:24.400
<v Speaker 2>basic thrust of the email was that Ryan's father would need to</v>

02:05:24.400 --> 02:05:29.280
<v Speaker 2>recuse himself from any hearings regarding Ryan, because of course he has</v>

02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess an implied conflict of interests, as it were, which is</v>

02:05:34.400 --> 02:05:37.520
<v Speaker 2>not really a standard that we have in the church, because the</v>

02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:39.920
<v Speaker 2>standard in the church is God's word.</v>

02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:42.640
<v Speaker 2>The standard is what is true and right.</v>

02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:47.200
<v Speaker 2>And a man should hold himself and others to that standard, not</v>

02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:49.920
<v Speaker 2>in this case it would be showing partiality.</v>

02:05:49.920 --> 02:05:52.720
<v Speaker 2>This is actually a case where partiality would be in play.</v>

02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:53.360
<v Speaker 2>If you show</v>

02:05:54.320 --> 02:05:59.520
<v Speaker 2>yes your own children partiality in that you do not hold them</v>

02:05:59.520 --> 02:06:03.040
<v Speaker 2>to the standard of scripture, then you run afoul of that injunction</v>

02:06:03.040 --> 02:06:05.520
<v Speaker 2>in scripture.</v>

02:06:05.520 --> 02:06:10.000
<v Speaker 2>But the implication here, by Ryan's pastor, is that Ryan's father is</v>

02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:12.400
<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to hold himself to the standard of</v>

02:06:12.400 --> 02:06:17.680
<v Speaker 2>scripture. It's an insult, it's slander against Ryan's father.</v>

02:06:18.080 --> 02:06:22.160
<v Speaker 2>And so Ryan, that same day speaks with his pastor at the</v>

02:06:22.160 --> 02:06:27.920
<v Speaker 2>midweek service, and his pastor admits that the Oklahoma DP is involved.</v>

02:06:27.920 --> 02:06:30.880
<v Speaker 2>And the reason this is relevant is because all along, what have</v>

02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:31.520
<v Speaker 2>we seen?</v>

02:06:31.520 --> 02:06:33.760
<v Speaker 2>The district presidents are involved.</v>

02:06:33.760 --> 02:06:37.520
<v Speaker 2>And the reason the district presidents are involved is because all of</v>

02:06:37.520 --> 02:06:41.680
<v Speaker 2>this is being orchestrated by synod and pushed to the districts, and</v>

02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:44.560
<v Speaker 2>from the districts, pushed to the congregations.</v>

02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:46.960
<v Speaker 2>And this is part of why, of course, I say that Pavla</v>

02:06:47.120 --> 02:06:53.760
<v Speaker 2>in my case was undoubtedly involved, because he is the district president.</v>

02:06:53.760 --> 02:06:59.120
<v Speaker 2>And that same day, Wo met with an elder, I suppose you'll</v>

02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:01.440
<v Speaker 2>give us more details about that though.</v>

02:07:01.440 --> 02:07:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Yep.</v>

02:07:03.360 --> 02:07:08.560
<v Speaker 3>So again, as all this stuff is playing out, we were discussing</v>

02:07:08.560 --> 02:07:11.520
<v Speaker 3>this as friends, not again, not as some sort of like shadowy</v>

02:07:11.680 --> 02:07:14.880
<v Speaker 3>conspiracy, just Hey, we're all being targeted.</v>

02:07:14.880 --> 02:07:15.920
<v Speaker 3>What's the latest?</v>

02:07:15.920 --> 02:07:19.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, someone says, Oh, I got a text from my pastor</v>

02:07:19.280 --> 02:07:20.240
<v Speaker 3>to go to this meeting.</v>

02:07:20.240 --> 02:07:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, by the second or third one, we're like, Yeah, well, it's</v>

02:07:22.720 --> 02:07:23.600
<v Speaker 3>an ambush.</v>

02:07:23.600 --> 02:07:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Let us know how it goes.</v>

02:07:25.360 --> 02:07:25.680
<v Speaker 3>So</v>

02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:34.080
<v Speaker 3>on the same day on that Wednesday, after seeing Harrison screed</v>

02:07:34.160 --> 02:07:38.320
<v Speaker 3>against me, after seeing what had been done to these other laymen,</v>

02:07:38.320 --> 02:07:42.720
<v Speaker 3>I knew that I was probably going to be doxed pretty soon.</v>

02:07:42.720 --> 02:07:43.840
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know by whom.</v>

02:07:43.840 --> 02:07:46.480
<v Speaker 3>I know I I didn't have any specific reason for that, but</v>

02:07:46.480 --> 02:07:50.000
<v Speaker 3>I knew that the intensity of hatred, the fact that the FBI</v>

02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:54.240
<v Speaker 3>was involved, the fact that I was personally accused of terrorism, that</v>

02:07:54.240 --> 02:07:57.760
<v Speaker 3>I was personally accused of violence, and that the feds had been</v>

02:07:57.760 --> 02:08:00.480
<v Speaker 3>told that, I knew that it was probably just a matter of</v>

02:08:00.480 --> 02:08:04.240
<v Speaker 3>time and probably not very long before I was personally doxxed.</v>

02:08:04.240 --> 02:08:07.200
<v Speaker 3>And so I have three elders.</v>

02:08:07.200 --> 02:08:09.600
<v Speaker 3>I did have three elders at the time.</v>

02:08:09.600 --> 02:08:13.120
<v Speaker 3>One of them, the oldest one whom I've talked to the most,</v>

02:08:13.120 --> 02:08:15.520
<v Speaker 3>his name is Tom.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I I knew that when Cynna did finally dox me and came</v>

02:08:20.320 --> 02:08:23.680
<v Speaker 3>to the board of elders and said, Here's what's going on, you</v>

02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:25.440
<v Speaker 3>have a terrorist in your midst.</v>

02:08:25.440 --> 02:08:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I knew that of the three elders, Tom would be the most</v>

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<v Speaker 3>hurt by it.</v>

02:08:29.360 --> 02:08:32.400
<v Speaker 3>I knew that he would be upset, he would be confused, he</v>

02:08:32.400 --> 02:08:35.920
<v Speaker 3>has some health problems that would have made this worse for him.</v>

02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:39.440
<v Speaker 3>For his sake, I went to Tom and spoke to him for</v>

02:08:39.440 --> 02:08:41.200
<v Speaker 3>about 90 minutes.</v>

02:08:41.200 --> 02:08:45.040
<v Speaker 3>And so during that one-on-one meeting with him, I said, first, Tom,</v>

02:08:45.040 --> 02:08:47.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm coming to you as my elder.</v>

02:08:47.840 --> 02:08:52.320
<v Speaker 3>This is this is an official contact in your office in the</v>

02:08:52.320 --> 02:08:54.880
<v Speaker 3>church. I gave him the rundown.</v>

02:08:54.880 --> 02:08:57.680
<v Speaker 3>I told him the you know, a short version of the backstory</v>

02:08:57.680 --> 02:09:00.720
<v Speaker 3>of what's going on here, that I was one of the men</v>

02:09:00.720 --> 02:09:04.720
<v Speaker 3>who had spoken against the Sononical publication, that I believe that there</v>

02:09:04.720 --> 02:09:09.680
<v Speaker 3>were serious problems endemic to synod at large that while they didn't</v>

02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:13.520
<v Speaker 3>touch on our our local congregation yet, they would inevitably down the</v>

02:09:13.520 --> 02:09:17.680
<v Speaker 3>road, because if a denomination gets worse and worse, it's in inherently</v>

02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:19.280
<v Speaker 3>going to produce worse pastors.</v>

02:09:19.280 --> 02:09:22.400
<v Speaker 3>And so the next time you're looking for a pastor, you're you're</v>

02:09:22.480 --> 02:09:24.160
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna be screwed.</v>

02:09:24.160 --> 02:09:27.920
<v Speaker 3>And in my case, my church has been vacant since actually right</v>

02:09:27.920 --> 02:09:31.040
<v Speaker 3>around the time we decided to do Stone Choir.</v>

02:09:31.040 --> 02:09:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I had at the time that we decided to do it, my</v>

02:09:34.320 --> 02:09:35.680
<v Speaker 3>pastor hadn't left yet.</v>

02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:40.480
<v Speaker 3>he basically popped smoke and just vanished shortly after we had decided</v>

02:09:40.480 --> 02:09:41.120
<v Speaker 3>to do this.</v>

02:09:41.120 --> 02:09:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Now, if my pastor had stuck around, I would have told him</v>

02:09:44.720 --> 02:09:47.360
<v Speaker 3>about Stone Choir from the very first episode.</v>

02:09:47.360 --> 02:09:49.760
<v Speaker 3>I had had these conversations with him in the past.</v>

02:09:49.760 --> 02:09:51.520
<v Speaker 3>We'd spoken for hours.</v>

02:09:51.520 --> 02:09:54.800
<v Speaker 3>And he, like every other pastor I've ever talked to, he didn't</v>

02:09:54.720 --> 02:09:56.080
<v Speaker 3>tell me to go to seminary.</v>

02:09:56.080 --> 02:09:58.480
<v Speaker 3>He said, Why aren't you teaching at seminary?</v>

02:09:58.480 --> 02:10:00.640
<v Speaker 3>That was his view of me spiritually at the time.</v>

02:10:01.040 --> 02:10:04.080
<v Speaker 3>So I told him, you know, there are things that I believe</v>

02:10:04.320 --> 02:10:07.200
<v Speaker 3>politically and otherwise that maybe you wouldn't agree with.</v>

02:10:07.200 --> 02:10:08.800
<v Speaker 3>I I'm pseudonymous.</v>

02:10:08.800 --> 02:10:11.840
<v Speaker 3>He explicitly told me to remain pseudonymous, I think in part because</v>

02:10:11.840 --> 02:10:14.000
<v Speaker 3>he hoped that someday I would go to seminary.</v>

02:10:14.000 --> 02:10:19.680
<v Speaker 3>I told him point blank that was not happening for unrelated reasons.</v>

02:10:19.680 --> 02:10:21.440
<v Speaker 3>God took him off the board.</v>

02:10:21.440 --> 02:10:24.960
<v Speaker 3>God removed our pastor right at the time the stone choir gust</v>

02:10:25.040 --> 02:10:29.520
<v Speaker 3>started. So We don't have a pastor, we haven't had one since.</v>

02:10:29.520 --> 02:10:32.400
<v Speaker 3>I would not have concealed this from my pastor, even while I</v>

02:10:32.400 --> 02:10:34.400
<v Speaker 3>was doing it pseudonymously.</v>

02:10:34.400 --> 02:10:38.240
<v Speaker 3>As a matter of spiritual oversight, I have respect for the process.</v>

02:10:38.240 --> 02:10:40.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a cowboy, I'm not a renegade.</v>

02:10:40.880 --> 02:10:44.560
<v Speaker 3>I understand that church discipline and good order is necessary.</v>

02:10:44.560 --> 02:10:48.320
<v Speaker 3>And I knew, you know, again, before we had actually begun the</v>

02:10:48.320 --> 02:10:51.760
<v Speaker 3>podcast, that if and when I was doxxed, it would become his</v>

02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:54.480
<v Speaker 3>problem. So I wanted him to know up front, here are the</v>

02:10:54.480 --> 02:10:55.920
<v Speaker 3>problems I'm causing for you.</v>

02:10:55.920 --> 02:10:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Not in the sense that I have a guilty conscience about anything.</v>

02:10:59.040 --> 02:11:02.240
<v Speaker 3>Everything that we say and we publish and we do, we stand</v>

02:11:02.240 --> 02:11:07.600
<v Speaker 3>behind because we believe that we're doing it in faithfulness to God.</v>

02:11:07.600 --> 02:11:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Because we didn't have a pastor, Tom was basically the man for</v>

02:11:10.720 --> 02:11:13.520
<v Speaker 3>me to speak to, and because he was the most likely to</v>

02:11:13.520 --> 02:11:17.840
<v Speaker 3>be injured by the false accusations that I knew for a fact</v>

02:11:18.080 --> 02:11:19.440
<v Speaker 3>were going to be coming from Synod.</v>

02:11:19.440 --> 02:11:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Again, these wicked, evil, slanderous things directed at me, this defamation.</v>

02:11:25.280 --> 02:11:26.880
<v Speaker 3>I talked to him for 90 minutes.</v>

02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I said, here's what's going on.</v>

02:11:28.320 --> 02:11:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Here's I sent him an email afterwards with Stone Choir and one</v>

02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:36.400
<v Speaker 3>or two other things, I send the link to Harrison's article condemning</v>

02:11:36.400 --> 02:11:41.040
<v Speaker 3>me personally, saying that I have a wicked agenda.</v>

02:11:41.040 --> 02:11:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Because I didn't want to be blindsided.</v>

02:11:42.800 --> 02:11:45.200
<v Speaker 3>And I told him point blank, there's some stuff that I say</v>

02:11:45.200 --> 02:11:47.760
<v Speaker 3>on the podcast I know you're not gonna agree with.</v>

02:11:47.760 --> 02:11:49.840
<v Speaker 3>His wife is an uber feminist.</v>

02:11:49.840 --> 02:11:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Feminism is a cancer in the church at large.</v>

02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:54.720
<v Speaker 3>It's a cancer in his home.</v>

02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I knew that those those comments were gonna upset him.</v>

02:11:58.960 --> 02:12:01.680
<v Speaker 3>In spite of that, I went to him out of Christian love</v>

02:12:01.680 --> 02:12:03.840
<v Speaker 3>for him.</v>

02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:06.240
<v Speaker 3>That was the last time I ever spoke to Tom.</v>

02:12:06.240 --> 02:12:08.400
<v Speaker 3>This was on March first.</v>

02:12:08.400 --> 02:12:11.840
<v Speaker 3>And so as we get down further of the timeline, I'm gonna</v>

02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:15.920
<v Speaker 3>point back to this day because what I would learn later was</v>

02:12:15.920 --> 02:12:19.200
<v Speaker 3>that when I was subsequently doxxed, Tom did it.</v>

02:12:19.200 --> 02:12:22.000
<v Speaker 3>My elder in his office's elder did it.</v>

02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:26.320
<v Speaker 3>And he did it despite my explicit warning to him that by</v>

02:12:26.320 --> 02:12:32.480
<v Speaker 3>doxing me, Synod will jeopardize my life, will jeopardize my property, will</v>

02:12:32.480 --> 02:12:36.640
<v Speaker 3>destroy my reputation, not because I have said anything wrong, because I</v>

02:12:36.640 --> 02:12:39.520
<v Speaker 3>have Because I say things like a man is a man and</v>

02:12:39.520 --> 02:12:42.080
<v Speaker 3>a woman is a woman, and that's not the same thing and</v>

02:12:42.080 --> 02:12:43.280
<v Speaker 3>it's not interchangeable.</v>

02:12:43.280 --> 02:12:45.360
<v Speaker 3>That's enough to destroy a man's life today.</v>

02:12:45.360 --> 02:12:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Confessing how we're created is enough for you to be destroyed.</v>

02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:51.120
<v Speaker 3>But most urgently, the reputation</v>

02:12:52.240 --> 02:12:57.520
<v Speaker 3>is less of an immediate concern in doxing than physical destruction, threats</v>

02:12:57.520 --> 02:12:59.760
<v Speaker 3>to my property and to my life.</v>

02:12:59.760 --> 02:13:04.080
<v Speaker 3>I told him point blank, please do not discuss this with anyone</v>

02:13:04.160 --> 02:13:10.720
<v Speaker 3>because it will cause personal, real, verifiable harm to me.</v>

02:13:10.960 --> 02:13:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Subsequently learned he intended to do precisely that.</v>

02:13:14.880 --> 02:13:19.040
<v Speaker 3>And what was amazing was that that conversation was very cordial.</v>

02:13:19.040 --> 02:13:20.400
<v Speaker 3>I remember if we hugged at the end.</v>

02:13:20.400 --> 02:13:21.280
<v Speaker 3>We certainly shook hands.</v>

02:13:21.280 --> 02:13:23.120
<v Speaker 3>It was a very friendly conversation.</v>

02:13:23.120 --> 02:13:26.400
<v Speaker 3>I went to him 'cause we'd had such conversations in the past.</v>

02:13:26.400 --> 02:13:31.440
<v Speaker 3>When he heard Stone Choir, he became possessed.</v>

02:13:31.440 --> 02:13:34.560
<v Speaker 3>And so as we get to some of the later details, I'm</v>

02:13:34.480 --> 02:13:35.280
<v Speaker 3>going to point back to that.</v>

02:13:35.280 --> 02:13:38.240
<v Speaker 3>But just remember on March first, I am the one who told</v>

02:13:38.240 --> 02:13:41.120
<v Speaker 3>my my elder out of concern for himself, it was it this</v>

02:13:41.120 --> 02:13:42.960
<v Speaker 3>was detrimental to me.</v>

02:13:42.960 --> 02:13:46.720
<v Speaker 3>It this was detrimental to me personally to tell another man, hey,</v>

02:13:46.720 --> 02:13:50.080
<v Speaker 3>here's something you're not gonna like, but when these evil men come</v>

02:13:50.080 --> 02:13:53.520
<v Speaker 3>and slander me to you in secret before I know what's going</v>

02:13:53.520 --> 02:13:56.160
<v Speaker 3>on, I don't want you to be hurt.</v>

02:13:56.160 --> 02:13:57.760
<v Speaker 3>That's my wicked agenda.</v>

02:13:57.760 --> 02:14:00.320
<v Speaker 3>These men who say I'm not a Christian, that's the kind of</v>

02:14:00.320 --> 02:14:03.440
<v Speaker 3>non-Christian that I am.</v>

02:14:03.440 --> 02:14:07.040
<v Speaker 3>So Friday of that week on the third of March, basically a</v>

02:14:07.200 --> 02:14:10.320
<v Speaker 3>little more than a week after Ash had reached out to DP</v>

02:14:10.320 --> 02:14:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Nairens to say You have leveled these accusations against me personally, I'd</v>

02:14:14.880 --> 02:14:17.440
<v Speaker 3>like to talk to you because you're further up the chain.</v>

02:14:17.440 --> 02:14:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Nairns did get back to him, he responded.</v>

02:14:20.240 --> 02:14:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Ash made the request he wanted to discuss the fact that these</v>

02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:27.360
<v Speaker 3>instructions had come down from synod through Nairens, for him to resign</v>

02:14:27.360 --> 02:14:29.680
<v Speaker 3>as an elder, because that was a big problem for him.</v>

02:14:29.680 --> 02:14:31.200
<v Speaker 3>That's slanderous.</v>

02:14:31.200 --> 02:14:35.680
<v Speaker 3>That's something that is completely outside the bounds of our own polity.</v>

02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:39.920
<v Speaker 3>This is not our ecclesiology, for a president to order an elder</v>

02:14:39.920 --> 02:14:41.040
<v Speaker 3>to be removed.</v>

02:14:41.040 --> 02:14:42.880
<v Speaker 3>We're not top down.</v>

02:14:42.880 --> 02:14:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Which is something Matt said on his February twenty first screed, and</v>

02:14:47.200 --> 02:14:50.240
<v Speaker 3>then he says, however, we're gonna do it anyway, and this is</v>

02:14:50.240 --> 02:14:51.760
<v Speaker 3>exactly that playing out.</v>

02:14:51.760 --> 02:14:53.760
<v Speaker 3>So on March third, when he talked to D P.</v>

02:14:53.760 --> 02:14:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Narens, he reiterated that these instructions have been passed through him from</v>

02:14:58.400 --> 02:15:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Synod, and so Ash wanted to find out what exactly was going</v>

02:15:03.040 --> 02:15:07.120
<v Speaker 3>on. And another thing that we didn't mention in the first meeting</v>

02:15:07.120 --> 02:15:10.800
<v Speaker 3>that Ash had with his pastor, his pastor was openly recording the</v>

02:15:11.200 --> 02:15:12.560
<v Speaker 3>entire meeting.</v>

02:15:12.560 --> 02:15:14.720
<v Speaker 3>Ash asked if he would have a could have a copy of</v>

02:15:14.720 --> 02:15:16.240
<v Speaker 3>that at that time, and</v>

02:15:17.120 --> 02:15:19.120
<v Speaker 3>it was it was it was made clear to him that he</v>

02:15:19.120 --> 02:15:21.280
<v Speaker 3>would be given access to the record.</v>

02:15:21.280 --> 02:15:24.640
<v Speaker 3>So Ash didn't make his own recording at that time.</v>

02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:30.480
<v Speaker 3>When Ash asked for a copy of the recording, both Nairens and</v>

02:15:30.480 --> 02:15:34.320
<v Speaker 3>his own pastor said, No, you're you're not gonna have it.</v>

02:15:34.320 --> 02:15:39.200
<v Speaker 3>And this comes up later on in conversations with Ryan i and</v>

02:15:39.200 --> 02:15:44.880
<v Speaker 3>another Oklahoma congregation where his own pastor made fun of Ash for</v>

02:15:44.880 --> 02:15:49.440
<v Speaker 3>not having his own recording, which frankly is part of the reason</v>

02:15:49.440 --> 02:15:52.800
<v Speaker 3>why Ryan accorded that stuff is he said in his own thread</v>

02:15:53.040 --> 02:15:57.120
<v Speaker 3>where he had these conversations with these men according to their public</v>

02:15:57.120 --> 02:15:59.760
<v Speaker 3>office and he posted those recordings.</v>

02:15:59.760 --> 02:16:03.520
<v Speaker 3>The reason for that wasn't that he's some sneaky little kid that's</v>

02:16:03.520 --> 02:16:07.840
<v Speaker 3>just sneaking around in the dark trying to get people.</v>

02:16:07.840 --> 02:16:12.400
<v Speaker 3>When Ash had this thing publicly recorded, he was denied a copy.</v>

02:16:12.400 --> 02:16:13.840
<v Speaker 3>He had no witnesses there.</v>

02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:16.640
<v Speaker 3>The only witnesses present for him were against him.</v>

02:16:16.640 --> 02:16:20.160
<v Speaker 3>He had no witness of his own to testify to what was</v>

02:16:20.160 --> 02:16:21.920
<v Speaker 3>said, to what was done.</v>

02:16:21.920 --> 02:16:25.280
<v Speaker 3>And when he subsequently asked for a copy, he was denied.</v>

02:16:25.280 --> 02:16:28.720
<v Speaker 3>And so that at that point by March third had been made</v>

02:16:28.720 --> 02:16:31.200
<v Speaker 3>very clear to all of us that none of this was going</v>

02:16:31.200 --> 02:16:34.080
<v Speaker 3>to be done above board, and that we were the only people</v>

02:16:34.080 --> 02:16:38.960
<v Speaker 3>involved in any of this with our own interests at heart.</v>

02:16:38.960 --> 02:16:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Something that happened in the immediate week after that.</v>

02:16:44.960 --> 02:16:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Ash</v>

02:16:46.880 --> 02:16:50.400
<v Speaker 3>had contact with one of the elders who had been there, trying</v>

02:16:50.400 --> 02:16:51.280
<v Speaker 3>to reach out to him again.</v>

02:16:51.280 --> 02:16:53.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, he he tried to talk to Narens.</v>

02:16:53.200 --> 02:16:55.600
<v Speaker 3>There was an attempt made to reach out to one of the</v>

02:16:55.600 --> 02:16:59.360
<v Speaker 3>elders. The elder refused to have communication</v>

02:17:00.320 --> 02:17:04.800
<v Speaker 3>by phone and when asked point blank why not, the response was</v>

02:17:04.800 --> 02:17:08.240
<v Speaker 3>FBI. So</v>

02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:15.520
<v Speaker 3>those accusations of terrorism that occurred within his own congregation, the characterization</v>

02:17:15.680 --> 02:17:20.400
<v Speaker 3>of all of us as terrorists, and the promise from the pastor</v>

02:17:20.400 --> 02:17:26.320
<v Speaker 3>from district that Synod had called the FBI, had sufficiently damaged his</v>

02:17:26.320 --> 02:17:30.720
<v Speaker 3>personal reputation with his own elders, with people in his own congregation,</v>

02:17:30.720 --> 02:17:35.440
<v Speaker 3>his church home, that they literally refused to talk to him.</v>

02:17:35.440 --> 02:17:37.360
<v Speaker 3>This is called behavior.</v>

02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:39.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna keep saying that because that's all it is.</v>

02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:44.560
<v Speaker 3>If you know anything about how cults conduct themselves internally, this is</v>

02:17:44.560 --> 02:17:51.360
<v Speaker 3>it. Fear, suspicion, slander, and accusations, going to the police to make</v>

02:17:51.360 --> 02:17:55.520
<v Speaker 3>coercive threats against men to bring them back into line for daring</v>

02:17:55.520 --> 02:17:57.040
<v Speaker 3>to speak against the leadership.</v>

02:17:57.040 --> 02:17:58.480
<v Speaker 3>That's what cults do.</v>

02:17:58.480 --> 02:18:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Forget bad Christians, for forget denominations that Corey and I disagree with</v>

02:18:02.400 --> 02:18:05.040
<v Speaker 3>doctrinally. Even they wouldn't do this stuff.</v>

02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Even a Methodist wouldn't do this.</v>

02:18:07.200 --> 02:18:12.400
<v Speaker 3>And yet the confessional Lutheran Missouri Synod is doing what even some</v>

02:18:12.400 --> 02:18:14.960
<v Speaker 3>cults are afraid to do.</v>

02:18:15.920 --> 02:18:19.680
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about these details specifically because everyone needs to know.</v>

02:18:19.680 --> 02:18:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Everyone in the synod needs to know how Matt Harrison, this false</v>

02:18:23.040 --> 02:18:25.600
<v Speaker 3>prophet, is conducting our church.</v>

02:18:25.600 --> 02:18:26.640
<v Speaker 3>It's not his church.</v>

02:18:26.800 --> 02:18:30.720
<v Speaker 3>It's not his personal plaything to do as he wants, to spend</v>

02:18:30.720 --> 02:18:34.880
<v Speaker 3>nine million dollars giving kickbacks to his buddies and Lutherans for racial</v>

02:18:34.880 --> 02:18:39.040
<v Speaker 3>justice while they brainwash kids in universalism.</v>

02:18:39.280 --> 02:18:40.960
<v Speaker 3>We need to put an end to this.</v>

02:18:40.960 --> 02:18:43.200
<v Speaker 3>So at the end of this episode, we're going to be making</v>

02:18:43.200 --> 02:18:45.760
<v Speaker 3>some suggestions for how we can all accomplish that.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 2>so in keeping with the theme of all this being relatively dense</v>

02:18:49.600 --> 02:18:54.240
<v Speaker 2>with things happening one right after the other on the same day,</v>

02:18:54.240 --> 02:19:00.320
<v Speaker 2>in fact, that Narens returned that call, Rolling Stone published an article</v>

02:19:00.320 --> 02:19:01.360
<v Speaker 2>on me.</v>

02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:05.200
<v Speaker 2>And I did know this one was coming because to step back</v>

02:19:05.200 --> 02:19:09.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple days, Tim Dickinson, who is the editor for that article,</v>

02:19:09.840 --> 02:19:14.240
<v Speaker 2>contacted me on Twitter on the first of March, and then on</v>

02:19:14.240 --> 02:19:17.440
<v Speaker 2>the second of March I spoke to him on the phone for</v>

02:19:17.600 --> 02:19:19.600
<v Speaker 2>just under twenty six minutes.</v>

02:19:19.600 --> 02:19:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I do have a recording of that.</v>

02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I may very well just go ahead and release that.</v>

02:19:24.160 --> 02:19:25.440
<v Speaker 2>And then</v>

02:19:26.560 --> 02:19:31.680
<v Speaker 2>on the third, that article was published in Rolling Stone.</v>

02:19:31.680 --> 02:19:36.320
<v Speaker 2>And this occurred simultaneously with publication a few other places, mostly just</v>

02:19:36.320 --> 02:19:40.160
<v Speaker 2>parroting the Rolling Stone article, for instance.</v>

02:19:40.160 --> 02:19:42.080
<v Speaker 2>MSN picked it up and ran with it.</v>

02:19:42.080 --> 02:19:46.080
<v Speaker 2>MSN's title was Hitler loving racist trying to turn Lutheran Church into</v>

02:19:46.160 --> 02:19:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Haven for quote hardline young men, unquote.</v>

02:19:50.640 --> 02:19:55.280
<v Speaker 2>But the Rolling Stone article is he believes Hitler went to heaven</v>

02:19:55.280 --> 02:19:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and wants to take over the Lutheran Church.</v>

02:19:58.720 --> 02:20:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Now I could quibble with the contentions in the headline, but the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>point here is that the leadership of the LCMS, supposed church leadership,</v>

02:20:10.400 --> 02:20:19.040
<v Speaker 2>are marching in lockstep with media outlets like Rolling Stone.</v>

02:20:19.040 --> 02:20:23.520
<v Speaker 2>And as we mentioned in one of the earliest episodes, you need</v>

02:20:23.520 --> 02:20:26.320
<v Speaker 2>to look at the source of things.</v>

02:20:26.320 --> 02:20:32.160
<v Speaker 2>These ideas are not coming from the church.</v>

02:20:32.160 --> 02:20:34.720
<v Speaker 2>These ideas aren't coming from the media either.</v>

02:20:34.720 --> 02:20:37.680
<v Speaker 2>These ideas ultimately are coming from Satan and they are being parroted</v>

02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:42.640
<v Speaker 2>by the media and now unfortunately also by church leadership.</v>

02:20:42.640 --> 02:20:46.880
<v Speaker 2>And so if you see church leadership marching in lockstep with the</v>

02:20:46.880 --> 02:20:51.280
<v Speaker 2>established media, there's a very real problem because these are the media</v>

02:20:51.280 --> 02:20:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that constantly advocate for sodomy, for abortion, for mass so called immigration,</v>

02:20:57.920 --> 02:21:01.840
<v Speaker 2>for all of these various evils that beset society, and now the</v>

02:21:01.840 --> 02:21:08.080
<v Speaker 2>church is partaking of them, is in some cases an active participant</v>

02:21:08.080 --> 02:21:12.960
<v Speaker 2>in them, or at least actively defending and even pushing for them.</v>

02:21:12.960 --> 02:21:15.840
<v Speaker 2>But to return to the timeline, the very next day, the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan's article on Christian nationalism is published on Gab News.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now, of course, that is one of the things that is absolutely</v>

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<v Speaker 2>hated by the media, Christian nationalism.</v>

02:21:31.440 --> 02:21:34.240
<v Speaker 2>They're afraid of it, of course, because they realize that if Christians</v>

02:21:34.240 --> 02:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>were in control of the country, it would be a very real</v>

02:21:36.800 --> 02:21:40.160
<v Speaker 2>problem for some of these extremely wicked men.</v>

02:21:40.160 --> 02:21:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Particularly individuals like Rolling Stone and those who write for it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>As an aside, I am going to make a general recommendation that</v>

02:21:48.480 --> 02:21:51.600
<v Speaker 2>if you are called by the media, do not talk to them.</v>

02:21:51.600 --> 02:21:54.560
<v Speaker 2>If you are an exception to that rule, you know it.</v>

02:21:54.640 --> 02:21:55.920
<v Speaker 2>But you probably aren't.</v>

02:21:55.920 --> 02:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Do not talk to them, all they can do is make your</v>

02:21:58.000 --> 02:21:59.040
<v Speaker 2>life worse.</v>

02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I knew what I was doing, that's why I talked to them.</v>

02:22:01.680 --> 02:22:04.720
<v Speaker 2>I knew what would happen, and they did exactly what I expected,</v>

02:22:04.720 --> 02:22:06.320
<v Speaker 2>so that played out.</v>

02:22:06.320 --> 02:22:12.080
<v Speaker 2>But Ryan's article on Christian nationalism gets a good response.</v>

02:22:12.080 --> 02:22:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Which is great, it's good.</v>

02:22:13.280 --> 02:22:17.120
<v Speaker 2>We want people to see Christian nationalism what we mean by it</v>

02:22:17.280 --> 02:22:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and what the goals are, but it gets another response, because he</v>

02:22:20.960 --> 02:22:24.160
<v Speaker 2>receives a message from his pastor that same day.</v>

02:22:24.160 --> 02:22:28.080
<v Speaker 2>And the circuit pastor and another congregation member are copied on that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>message. It asks for his availability to talk, but of course, as</v>

02:22:31.920 --> 02:22:36.240
<v Speaker 2>is the theme, did not did not list the subjects, or any</v>

02:22:36.240 --> 02:22:39.600
<v Speaker 2>subject, for that conversation.</v>

02:22:39.600 --> 02:22:43.600
<v Speaker 2>But to return to my part of the timeline, the very next</v>

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<v Speaker 2>day, this being a Sunday, my congregation voted to excommunicate me.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>As was mentioned earlier, I was not present.</v>

02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Per the bylaws, I must be present.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It says that the accused must be present for the vote on</v>

02:22:59.520 --> 02:23:06.560
<v Speaker 2>excommunication. The only exception is if the accused cannot be found or</v>

02:23:06.560 --> 02:23:08.800
<v Speaker 2>refuses to attend.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you would be excommunicating someone who cannot be</v>

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<v Speaker 2>found, because if he cannot be found, I don't see how he</v>

02:23:15.040 --> 02:23:18.080
<v Speaker 2>would have done something that's worthy of excommunication, but it's in there</v>

02:23:18.080 --> 02:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>for sake of completeness.</v>

02:23:20.080 --> 02:23:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Really what the two thirds vote is for is so if someone</v>

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<v Speaker 2>refuses to attend, someone has truly apostatized, someone is living a profligate</v>

02:23:29.120 --> 02:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>lifestyle that is anti Christian, and simply refuses to listen to anything</v>

02:23:33.040 --> 02:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the church says and will not come to the meeting, then it's</v>

02:23:35.280 --> 02:23:36.640
<v Speaker 2>a two thirds vote.</v>

02:23:36.640 --> 02:23:38.160
<v Speaker 2>That's entirely reasonable.</v>

02:23:38.160 --> 02:23:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I agree with that change to the bylaws.</v>

02:23:40.960 --> 02:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>That was not in the original constitution and bylaws, it is in</v>

02:23:43.600 --> 02:23:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the updated one.</v>

02:23:44.560 --> 02:23:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good thing.</v>

02:23:47.120 --> 02:23:51.200
<v Speaker 2>But the actual part of the bylaws that was applicable in my</v>

02:23:51.760 --> 02:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>case required a unanimous vote and required my presence.</v>

02:23:56.960 --> 02:24:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I was not present, Indy had been driven out of the church</v>

02:24:00.160 --> 02:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>at that point, they'd violated the bylaws up one side and down</v>

02:24:03.680 --> 02:24:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the other.</v>

02:24:04.320 --> 02:24:09.440
<v Speaker 2>They did absolutely everything they could not to adhere to these binding</v>

02:24:09.440 --> 02:24:13.840
<v Speaker 2>bylaws because these are binding under the civil law.</v>

02:24:13.840 --> 02:24:17.280
<v Speaker 2>That's a part of this that some people are missing.</v>

02:24:17.280 --> 02:24:21.600
<v Speaker 2>There is what Scripture says, and Christians are bound by that, but</v>

02:24:21.600 --> 02:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>that's not enforceable in the civil courts, typically, unless it has been</v>

02:24:24.960 --> 02:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>transposed into a contract of some kind.</v>

02:24:28.800 --> 02:24:33.360
<v Speaker 2>The bylaws, the constitution and bylaws are of the corporation that is</v>

02:24:33.440 --> 02:24:34.880
<v Speaker 2>the church.</v>

02:24:34.880 --> 02:24:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Those are binding on members, on the church, and they are binding</v>

02:24:40.160 --> 02:24:41.840
<v Speaker 2>in the civil courts.</v>

02:24:42.080 --> 02:24:45.760
<v Speaker 2>And so the fact they did not follow these is a violation.</v>

02:24:45.760 --> 02:24:47.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a civil violation.</v>

02:24:47.680 --> 02:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not a crime, but it is a civil violation of which</v>

02:24:51.680 --> 02:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the courts will take notice and provide remedy.</v>

02:24:55.680 --> 02:24:59.360
<v Speaker 2>And we have many pastors out there who are behaving as if</v>

02:24:59.360 --> 02:25:01.680
<v Speaker 2>they are not subject to the civil authorities.</v>

02:25:01.760 --> 02:25:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened to rendered unto Caesar, but apparently some</v>

02:25:04.400 --> 02:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>have forgotten that's in scripture.</v>

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Well

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a direct violation of the bylaws.</v>

02:25:08.960 --> 02:25:14.000
<v Speaker 3>One of the shocking irregularities of this so-called excommunication meeting is that</v>

02:25:14.000 --> 02:25:15.840
<v Speaker 3>your own pastor was not present.</v>

02:25:16.080 --> 02:25:19.760
<v Speaker 3>reason he was not present and in his place was Graves the</v>

02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:26.400
<v Speaker 3>circuit visitor is that we forgot to mention earlier on the Wednesday</v>

02:25:26.400 --> 02:25:31.760
<v Speaker 3>after Corey was physically restrained from entering the church when the cops</v>

02:25:31.760 --> 02:25:38.320
<v Speaker 3>were called, between that Sunday and the subsequent Wednesday, your pastor had</v>

02:25:38.320 --> 02:25:39.600
<v Speaker 3>his kidney begin to fail.</v>

02:25:39.600 --> 02:25:42.800
<v Speaker 3>It was a transplanted kidney that had been in place for years.</v>

02:25:42.800 --> 02:25:45.680
<v Speaker 3>He went into serious physical jeopardy.</v>

02:25:45.680 --> 02:25:47.280
<v Speaker 3>And it took him a while to figure out what was going</v>

02:25:47.280 --> 02:25:51.760
<v Speaker 3>on. So the reason he wasn't present for the excommunication is that</v>

02:25:51.760 --> 02:25:53.440
<v Speaker 3>he had missed several weeks.</v>

02:25:53.440 --> 02:25:56.000
<v Speaker 3>He was out for I think six weeks or so.</v>

02:25:56.000 --> 02:26:00.000
<v Speaker 3>He was hospitalized at the time because Because</v>

02:26:00.960 --> 02:26:04.240
<v Speaker 3>God knocked and apparently he didn't hear.</v>

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I

02:26:04.560 --> 02:26:05.760
<v Speaker 2>was burying the lead.</v>

02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I was leaving it until we mentioned that he returned to the</v>

02:26:08.800 --> 02:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>pulpit to announce the excommunication, which we'll get to soon enough.</v>

02:26:12.000 --> 02:26:15.760
<v Speaker 2>But yes, he he was gravely ill.</v>

02:26:15.760 --> 02:26:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. he didn't he not only wasn't preaching, he wasn't attending the</v>

02:26:20.320 --> 02:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>service because he was in the hospital.</v>

02:26:23.040 --> 02:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was probably seemingly about as close to death as</v>

02:26:26.000 --> 02:26:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you get without being dead.</v>

02:26:28.400 --> 02:26:30.960
<v Speaker 3>That was very much how it sounded in the prayers of the</v>

02:26:30.960 --> 02:26:34.720
<v Speaker 3>church. And the reason I mention here is for the irregularity of</v>

02:26:34.720 --> 02:26:38.080
<v Speaker 3>the circuit visitor who is again an agent of synod.</v>

02:26:38.560 --> 02:26:44.000
<v Speaker 3>So in this meeting, this church meeting at First Lutheran Knoxville, where</v>

02:26:44.000 --> 02:26:49.520
<v Speaker 3>every single bylaw was violated for excommunication, it was a synod official</v>

02:26:49.520 --> 02:26:52.480
<v Speaker 3>in his act as an agent of synod who did it?</v>

02:26:52.480 --> 02:26:54.800
<v Speaker 3>It was not even the pastor of the congregation.</v>

02:26:54.800 --> 02:26:56.240
<v Speaker 3>He was on death's door.</v>

02:26:56.240 --> 02:27:00.480
<v Speaker 3>He was he was in a hospital bed fighting for his life</v>

02:27:00.640 --> 02:27:01.840
<v Speaker 3>when this happened.</v>

02:27:01.840 --> 02:27:08.000
<v Speaker 3>So you want to talk about irregularity, both on paper and spiritually,</v>

02:27:08.160 --> 02:27:10.960
<v Speaker 3>this story has every single base covered.</v>

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I

02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>don't even know if that's actually proper according to the bylaws.</v>

02:27:14.000 --> 02:27:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that they directly address the issue of whether or</v>

02:27:17.280 --> 02:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>not an excommunication can even proceed in the absence of the properly</v>

02:27:22.240 --> 02:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>presiding pastor, not some random agent of Synod.</v>

02:27:26.400 --> 02:27:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would I would imagine that's not possible.</v>

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It

02:27:29.520 --> 02:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>again just seems like Synod has decided that we're Rome, and Pope</v>

02:27:34.800 --> 02:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Harrison can say whatever he wants, and the DPs have to jump</v>

02:27:38.880 --> 02:27:41.840
<v Speaker 2>and then the pastors have to listen to the D Ps, or</v>

02:27:41.840 --> 02:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the circuit visitor if he's used as a proxy.</v>

02:27:45.280 --> 02:27:48.960
<v Speaker 3>But the beauty of it all is that in this specific case,</v>

02:27:48.960 --> 02:27:55.040
<v Speaker 3>God basically has hardened Synod's hearts and tied this around their necks.</v>

02:27:55.280 --> 02:27:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Synod literally presided over an illegal excommunication</v>

02:27:59.680 --> 02:28:03.920
<v Speaker 3>of a member who incidentally, like this took just a couple weeks</v>

02:28:03.920 --> 02:28:08.640
<v Speaker 3>from the riot act being read to him being falsely excommunicated.</v>

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And

02:28:08.880 --> 02:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>that's</v>

02:28:09.120 --> 02:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>part of what the process was not followed.</v>

02:28:12.160 --> 02:28:16.800
<v Speaker 3>the rules were basically to slow things down to call for repentance.</v>

02:28:16.800 --> 02:28:21.520
<v Speaker 3>There was not a single call for repentance from Corey.</v>

02:28:21.520 --> 02:28:24.400
<v Speaker 3>If you're a pastor, if you're a Christian and you hear that,</v>

02:28:24.400 --> 02:28:25.920
<v Speaker 3>that should concern you.</v>

02:28:25.920 --> 02:28:30.000
<v Speaker 3>How can an excommunication occur without a call for repentance?</v>

02:28:30.000 --> 02:28:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Never mind the guy not even being present to be told he</v>

02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:37.360
<v Speaker 3>ths he's going to hell for disagreeing with the Missouri Synod, but</v>

02:28:37.360 --> 02:28:39.920
<v Speaker 3>not even to be asked to repent of anything.</v>

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I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we can make a a comparison here.</v>

02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Because of course we're Lutheran, so we're going to make the comparison</v>

02:28:46.320 --> 02:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>to Luther.</v>

02:28:47.200 --> 02:28:55.280
<v Speaker 2>But in fifteen seventeen, Luther posted his theses on the church door.</v>

02:28:55.280 --> 02:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Notably he was not excommunicated until fifteen twenty one.</v>

02:29:00.160 --> 02:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Now, of course, it takes</v>

02:29:02.560 --> 02:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>longer in the 1500s for news to travel, but it does not</v>

02:29:08.240 --> 02:29:13.120
<v Speaker 2>take four years for news to travel from Germany to Italy and</v>

02:29:13.120 --> 02:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>back. So he got four years, I got</v>

02:29:18.640 --> 02:29:20.720
<v Speaker 2>basically no time at all.</v>

02:29:21.200 --> 02:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think he would defend himself multiple times.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think probably the most egregious procedural</v>

02:29:29.360 --> 02:29:33.680
<v Speaker 3>malevolence in all of this is that you found out putatively that</v>

02:29:33.680 --> 02:29:37.600
<v Speaker 3>you had been excommunicated on Twitter from one of the enemy pastors.</v>

02:29:37.600 --> 02:29:40.080
<v Speaker 3>If I remember correctly, it was Ben Meyer.</v>

02:29:40.080 --> 02:29:42.400
<v Speaker 3>It may not have been, I don't mean to tie his name</v>

02:29:42.400 --> 02:29:45.040
<v Speaker 3>to this, but he was certainly in the know about many of</v>

02:29:45.040 --> 02:29:45.680
<v Speaker 3>these things.</v>

02:29:45.680 --> 02:29:49.120
<v Speaker 3>One of the enemy pastors who had been hounding you for your</v>

02:29:49.120 --> 02:29:52.720
<v Speaker 3>destruction and joking about murdering Nazis, which by the way, you're a</v>

02:29:52.720 --> 02:29:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Nazi, according to these men, they're the ones who posted on Twitter</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that you were excommunicated.</v>

02:29:58.000 --> 02:30:02.400
<v Speaker 3>you know you had no communication whatsoever with your own church.</v>

02:30:02.400 --> 02:30:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Not the elders, not the pastor, not the circuit visitor, no one.</v>

02:30:06.080 --> 02:30:09.280
<v Speaker 3>You found on a Twitter that apparently there'd have been a meeting</v>

02:30:09.280 --> 02:30:11.280
<v Speaker 3>that Sunday to excommunicate you.</v>

02:30:11.360 --> 02:30:14.080
<v Speaker 2>And it's even worse than that, because not only did they not</v>

02:30:14.080 --> 02:30:18.400
<v Speaker 2>announce the excommunication to me, they did eventually send me a certified</v>

02:30:18.400 --> 02:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>letter. I do have a copy of that one.</v>

02:30:20.160 --> 02:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>That one I actually did receive.</v>

02:30:22.000 --> 02:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps I can get my scanner to cooperate and scan that one.</v>

02:30:26.480 --> 02:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>But they haven't contacted me at all</v>

02:30:30.640 --> 02:30:36.080
<v Speaker 2>since I was turned away from the church on Sunday with the</v>

02:30:36.080 --> 02:30:41.200
<v Speaker 2>police, I have not had a message from anyone in the congregation.</v>

02:30:41.200 --> 02:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I have not been emailed, texted, called, anything, and notably, the elders</v>

02:30:47.360 --> 02:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>all have my cell phone number and my email address.</v>

02:30:50.640 --> 02:30:52.960
<v Speaker 2>They also know where I live.</v>

02:30:52.960 --> 02:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I have had absolutely no contact from any of them.</v>

02:30:55.840 --> 02:30:58.880
<v Speaker 2>This is simply not how Christians behave.</v>

02:30:58.880 --> 02:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>And in the case of some of them, it's quite disappointing.</v>

02:31:02.640 --> 02:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Not for all of them, some of them I kind of expected</v>

02:31:05.680 --> 02:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>it, but for some of them I expected them to behave</v>

02:31:09.440 --> 02:31:12.080
<v Speaker 2>more Christian than they have.</v>

02:31:12.080 --> 02:31:17.360
<v Speaker 2>The only vague communication I've had from anyone in the congregation has</v>

02:31:17.360 --> 02:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>been because I happen to have mutual friends with some members of</v>

02:31:21.840 --> 02:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the congregation, and it's come up in those discussions and then been</v>

02:31:24.480 --> 02:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>reported to me.</v>

02:31:26.240 --> 02:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>But I have had no direct communication from any member of that</v>

02:31:31.360 --> 02:31:36.320
<v Speaker 2>congregation, from any member of the district, from any one at synod.</v>

02:31:36.320 --> 02:31:38.640
<v Speaker 2>So I I mentioned that I don't have a scan of the</v>

02:31:38.640 --> 02:31:42.240
<v Speaker 2>document and I have put it in a stack of papers somewhere</v>

02:31:42.320 --> 02:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and I will eventually find it.</v>

02:31:43.920 --> 02:31:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I didn't burn it like Luther did with the papal bull, but</v>

02:31:47.040 --> 02:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned before we started recording, it doesn't have the the</v>

02:31:50.160 --> 02:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>seals and the pomp of a papal bull.</v>

02:31:53.440 --> 02:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>It's not as much fun to burn a simple certified letter.</v>

02:31:56.240 --> 02:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>But I'm going to read the charges from it, because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this will shock.</v>

02:32:02.320 --> 02:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>pastors and many Christians.</v>

02:32:05.680 --> 02:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Just how vague these charges are, and what what's listed here?</v>

02:32:10.320 --> 02:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>But I'll start with the second paragraph of the letter.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The basis of the excommunication was your continued, unabashed and unrepentant postings</v>

02:32:18.400 --> 02:32:25.200
<v Speaker 2>and dialogue via social media, superimposing fascist, white supremacist, slash ethnocentric, and</v>

02:32:25.200 --> 02:32:29.920
<v Speaker 2>misogynistic views in the name of Lutheranism The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod</v>

02:32:30.080 --> 02:32:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and the Lutheran Church as a whole in violation of one, the</v>

02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>first commandment, two, the second commandment, three, the fourth commandment, four, the</v>

02:32:39.600 --> 02:32:44.560
<v Speaker 2>fifth commandment, five, the eighth commandment, and six, the tenth commandment.</v>

02:32:44.560 --> 02:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I remind our reformed and other listeners to recall to mind that</v>

02:32:48.800 --> 02:32:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Lutherans number the commandments differently, so do bear that in mind when</v>

02:32:51.840 --> 02:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at this</v>

02:32:53.920 --> 02:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>And then they just basically say under Article 4 relating to the</v>

02:32:57.920 --> 02:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>bylaws, etc., which they violated, so it's funny that they cite them.</v>

02:33:02.080 --> 02:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>But that's it.</v>

02:33:03.520 --> 02:33:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't have specific examples.</v>

02:33:06.480 --> 02:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>There are no attachments or exhibits, as it were.</v>

02:33:09.600 --> 02:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>It's just this listing, and then you're excommunicated for these violations of</v>

02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>basically modern morality.</v>

02:33:18.800 --> 02:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Because Because no scripture.</v>

02:33:20.720 --> 02:33:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes for fascism, you can't show in scripture does it say you</v>

02:33:23.040 --> 02:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>can't be these things.</v>

02:33:24.640 --> 02:33:29.840
<v Speaker 3>You were literally declared to be damned for misogynistic views.</v>

02:33:29.840 --> 02:33:34.080
<v Speaker 3>This is a charge from a Lutheran church and see, the the</v>

02:33:34.080 --> 02:33:37.440
<v Speaker 3>thing about these is that it's not that those in concert were</v>

02:33:37.440 --> 02:33:41.520
<v Speaker 3>the s were bad enough for you to go to hell.</v>

02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:43.840
<v Speaker 3>If only one of those were true, you would still go to</v>

02:33:43.840 --> 02:33:45.360
<v Speaker 3>hell. That's what this letter says.</v>

02:33:45.360 --> 02:33:48.720
<v Speaker 3>That's what excommunication means in the Lutheran Church.</v>

02:33:48.720 --> 02:33:52.560
<v Speaker 3>First Lutheran, on behalf of Matt Harrison, has declared that Corey is</v>

02:33:52.560 --> 02:33:53.440
<v Speaker 3>going to hell.</v>

02:33:53.440 --> 02:33:57.440
<v Speaker 3>That is official under Missouri Synod doctrine.</v>

02:33:57.440 --> 02:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Why is he going to hell for misogynistic views?</v>

02:34:01.680 --> 02:34:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm struggling to figure out which of the five six com</v>

02:34:05.680 --> 02:34:08.160
<v Speaker 3>the six six commandants they listed there.</v>

02:34:08.160 --> 02:34:11.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure which one of the misogyny falls under.</v>

02:34:11.040 --> 02:34:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess we'll have to wait for the next edition of the</v>

02:34:12.960 --> 02:34:15.760
<v Speaker 3>l small catechism from Pope Harrison.</v>

02:34:16.080 --> 02:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I would presume they're going to argue the same as they argue</v>

02:34:18.640 --> 02:34:20.160
<v Speaker 2>that racism is murder.</v>

02:34:20.160 --> 02:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I would presume they're going to say that misogyny is</v>

02:34:24.080 --> 02:34:25.520
<v Speaker 2>murder of women.</v>

02:34:26.560 --> 02:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Which is one of the dumbest arguments you could possibly make, but</v>

02:34:29.840 --> 02:34:32.960
<v Speaker 2>they are the kind of people who would make that argument.</v>

02:34:32.960 --> 02:34:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But if you're a pastor and you're listening and you're wondering,</v>

02:34:36.640 --> 02:34:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I wonder why Corey was excommunicated.</v>

02:34:38.720 --> 02:34:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you don't like him.</v>

02:34:39.760 --> 02:34:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you think he's a jerk and he says mean things online.</v>

02:34:42.640 --> 02:34:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Did you know that he was excommunicated for misogyny?</v>

02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Mark Price is a misogynist, by the way, according to Ash's pastor,</v>

02:34:49.680 --> 02:34:52.240
<v Speaker 3>he made very clear that Mark Price is a misogynist.</v>

02:34:52.240 --> 02:34:56.000
<v Speaker 3>He made very clear that all you guys up in Wyoming, you're</v>

02:34:56.000 --> 02:35:00.080
<v Speaker 3>misogynists. You're gonna be excommunicated next because that is the religion of</v>

02:35:00.080 --> 02:35:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the Missouri Synod.</v>

02:35:01.440 --> 02:35:05.120
<v Speaker 3>If you guys think you can hide away and not face what's</v>

02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:09.040
<v Speaker 3>coming because we're disposable laymen and you can go off and do</v>

02:35:09.040 --> 02:35:11.600
<v Speaker 3>your own thing, you're joking yourselves.</v>

02:35:11.600 --> 02:35:14.720
<v Speaker 3>We're at the vanguard of this precisely because we can take the</v>

02:35:14.720 --> 02:35:17.840
<v Speaker 3>punishment so that you can move in behind us and do something</v>

02:35:17.840 --> 02:35:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Christian. If you continue to hide, they're gonna come for you next.</v>

02:35:22.000 --> 02:35:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Mark I specifically named because he was named for this slander of</v>

02:35:25.920 --> 02:35:30.240
<v Speaker 3>misogyny, as literally what was given to Ash as a charge against</v>

02:35:31.040 --> 02:35:34.000
<v Speaker 3>him. So this is not a joke.</v>

02:35:34.000 --> 02:35:37.360
<v Speaker 3>It's a joke in terms of that being absolutely obscene.</v>

02:35:37.360 --> 02:35:39.840
<v Speaker 3>That's contrary to everything in Scripture.</v>

02:35:39.840 --> 02:35:45.040
<v Speaker 3>You can entire chapters of Scripture are blatantly misogynist by twenty twenty-three</v>

02:35:45.040 --> 02:35:49.360
<v Speaker 3>standards. And the Missouri Synod under the false prophet Matt Harrison says</v>

02:35:49.360 --> 02:35:52.080
<v Speaker 3>you will go to hell for agreeing with scripture.</v>

02:35:52.160 --> 02:35:52.320
And

02:35:52.320 --> 02:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, I didn't even go as far as Mark Price's Is</v>

02:35:55.680 --> 02:35:57.440
<v Speaker 2>accused of going.</v>

02:35:57.440 --> 02:36:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Because I have never once said that women shouldn't be allowed to</v>

02:36:00.720 --> 02:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>speak outside the home.</v>

02:36:03.040 --> 02:36:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Everything about it is just obscene.</v>

02:36:05.840 --> 02:36:09.200
<v Speaker 3>But that's part of the reason that we're airing this dirty laundry.</v>

02:36:09.200 --> 02:36:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Everything, every single one of these things is a fact.</v>

02:36:12.080 --> 02:36:16.560
<v Speaker 3>It is verifiable, it's provable with evidence and with witnesses.</v>

02:36:16.560 --> 02:36:18.720
<v Speaker 3>This is not supposition on our part.</v>

02:36:18.720 --> 02:36:21.120
<v Speaker 3>This is the state of the cult of Missouri Synod</v>

02:36:21.680 --> 02:36:21.840
At

02:36:21.840 --> 02:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>least they didn't include the third commandment.</v>

02:36:23.680 --> 02:36:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I guess that would be difficult when I constantly tell people to</v>

02:36:26.160 --> 02:36:27.200
<v Speaker 2>go to church.</v>

02:36:27.200 --> 02:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>The first sentence of the last paragraph should warm the black cockles</v>

02:36:31.600 --> 02:36:35.120
<v Speaker 2>of Chris Rosebro's heart though, because they state that you are welcomed</v>

02:36:35.120 --> 02:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and explicitly encouraged to view the divine service at First Lutheran or</v>

02:36:38.800 --> 02:36:43.600
<v Speaker 2>any LCMS affiliated church through online broadcast of said service.</v>

02:36:43.600 --> 02:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Despite the fact that the bylaws say in all caps in the</v>

02:36:47.440 --> 02:36:52.960
<v Speaker 2>original, that even those were excommunicated are cordially invited to attend the</v>

02:36:52.960 --> 02:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>divine service, and there is no way that those who wrote that</v>

02:36:56.880 --> 02:37:01.680
<v Speaker 2>thought that attending the divine service included Facebook streaming.</v>

02:37:01.920 --> 02:37:04.320
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's utterly depraved.</v>

02:37:04.320 --> 02:37:07.120
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, this is the state of the Missouri Synod.</v>

02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:10.320
<v Speaker 3>That's the pornographic version of church.</v>

02:37:10.720 --> 02:37:14.800
<v Speaker 3>to watch a peep show on YouTube is not the communion of</v>

02:37:14.800 --> 02:37:15.600
<v Speaker 3>the saints.</v>

02:37:15.600 --> 02:37:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Now it may well be edifying, I don't mean that it's disgusting</v>

02:37:18.720 --> 02:37:21.680
<v Speaker 3>or gross, but I mean to say that it is a fake</v>

02:37:21.680 --> 02:37:26.320
<v Speaker 3>version of the real thing, that there's no legitimacy to the notion</v>

02:37:26.320 --> 02:37:28.560
<v Speaker 3>that a man can attend church online.</v>

02:37:28.560 --> 02:37:30.880
<v Speaker 3>It's one of the conversations that Corey and I have regularly.</v>

02:37:31.040 --> 02:37:34.080
<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of men who have seen this stuff playing</v>

02:37:34.080 --> 02:37:37.360
<v Speaker 3>out and they're saying, I'm just going to leave the established church</v>

02:37:37.360 --> 02:37:39.520
<v Speaker 3>altogether. I don't want to be a part of any of that.</v>

02:37:39.520 --> 02:37:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Why would I subject myself to it?</v>

02:37:41.600 --> 02:37:42.560
<v Speaker 3>And so we</v>

02:37:43.680 --> 02:37:46.400
<v Speaker 3>caught in the middle of this are still trying to do battle</v>

02:37:46.400 --> 02:37:49.120
<v Speaker 3>and say, no, you do need to go to a church.</v>

02:37:49.120 --> 02:37:50.800
<v Speaker 3>You need to have a church home.</v>

02:37:50.800 --> 02:37:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Even if you don't believe everything they say, it's still important to</v>

02:37:54.480 --> 02:37:57.280
<v Speaker 3>gather together with Christians every Sunday.</v>

02:37:57.280 --> 02:37:59.360
<v Speaker 3>It is part of the Christian life.</v>

02:37:59.360 --> 02:38:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Even if it's a place where you cannot commune because you don't</v>

02:38:03.840 --> 02:38:07.680
<v Speaker 3>agree with what they believe about things, it's still important to gather</v>

02:38:07.680 --> 02:38:09.040
<v Speaker 3>together with other Christians.</v>

02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:13.520
<v Speaker 3>It is edifying and it is necessary for the Christian life.</v>

02:38:13.520 --> 02:38:15.840
<v Speaker 3>These people don't even want that for us.</v>

02:38:15.840 --> 02:38:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Which is we made clear earlier with the story about Jordan Cooper,</v>

02:38:19.200 --> 02:38:21.840
<v Speaker 3>these men want to drive us from the church entirely.</v>

02:38:21.840 --> 02:38:23.680
<v Speaker 3>They want us physically removed.</v>

02:38:23.680 --> 02:38:27.440
<v Speaker 3>They call the police to seek our physical destruction.</v>

02:38:27.440 --> 02:38:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Demonic it doesn't even begin to describe it.</v>

02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:33.120
<v Speaker 3>There's no word in the English language for how evil this is.</v>

02:38:33.120 --> 02:38:35.360
<v Speaker 3>And again, Matt Harrison from St.</v>

02:38:35.360 --> 02:38:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Louis on behalf of the synod and in his office as present</v>

02:38:39.520 --> 02:38:42.400
<v Speaker 3>is orchestrating every one of these details.</v>

02:38:42.400 --> 02:38:45.200
<v Speaker 3>The fact that these things are starting to blur together, it's like,</v>

02:38:45.200 --> 02:38:46.000
<v Speaker 3>well, that already happened.</v>

02:38:46.000 --> 02:38:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it did to one guy, but then it happened to</v>

02:38:48.080 --> 02:38:49.520
<v Speaker 3>the other four guys too.</v>

02:38:49.520 --> 02:38:51.840
<v Speaker 3>That's why it's a script.</v>

02:38:51.840 --> 02:38:55.200
<v Speaker 3>Alinsky has a script, Harrison has a script, and by and large,</v>

02:38:55.200 --> 02:38:56.960
<v Speaker 3>it's the same script.</v>

02:38:57.360 --> 02:38:57.680
And

02:38:57.680 --> 02:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>so the next item we have is the following Monday, the very</v>

02:39:02.000 --> 02:39:05.280
<v Speaker 2>next day, the sixth of March.</v>

02:39:05.280 --> 02:39:10.560
<v Speaker 2>The previously mentioned elder refuses to communicate with Ash, and he states</v>

02:39:10.560 --> 02:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>as his basis for this that there is FBI involvement, so again,</v>

02:39:15.120 --> 02:39:20.640
<v Speaker 2>verifying that synod has deliberately involved the FBI in these matters, going</v>

02:39:20.640 --> 02:39:27.120
<v Speaker 2>to the secular authorities in violation of Scripture.</v>

02:39:27.120 --> 02:39:31.120
<v Speaker 2>And we really should point out that the goal here, and it</v>

02:39:31.120 --> 02:39:35.120
<v Speaker 2>is fair to call it their goal, is to murder us.</v>

02:39:35.120 --> 02:39:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Because when you are dealing in these sorts of charges, white supremacy,</v>

02:39:40.720 --> 02:39:44.160
<v Speaker 2>and when you're accusing people of being a terrorist, the odds of</v>

02:39:44.160 --> 02:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the FBI or someone like that no knock raiding you, and they</v>

02:39:47.760 --> 02:39:51.280
<v Speaker 2>have a very real tendency to just shoot people in those raids.</v>

02:39:51.280 --> 02:39:54.080
<v Speaker 2>That is exactly what is in view, and that is what Synod</v>

02:39:54.240 --> 02:39:56.080
<v Speaker 2>desires in this case.</v>

02:39:56.560 --> 02:39:56.800
And

02:39:56.800 --> 02:39:59.120
<v Speaker 3>it's made clear by all the Nazi stuff online.</v>

02:39:59.120 --> 02:40:03.520
<v Speaker 3>Again, when all these pastors call us Nazis and then separately celebrate</v>

02:40:03.520 --> 02:40:04.960
<v Speaker 3>murdering Nazis.</v>

02:40:05.280 --> 02:40:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Rosebro posted a vile video of a man literally being stabbed through</v>

02:40:10.560 --> 02:40:14.320
<v Speaker 3>the skull with a knife because he was a Nazi.</v>

02:40:14.320 --> 02:40:16.240
<v Speaker 3>And he was saying, I'm so excited about this movie.</v>

02:40:16.240 --> 02:40:18.240
<v Speaker 3>It looks so beautiful.</v>

02:40:18.240 --> 02:40:19.280
<v Speaker 3>That's a threat.</v>

02:40:19.280 --> 02:40:21.200
<v Speaker 3>That is a direct physical threat.</v>

02:40:21.200 --> 02:40:24.080
<v Speaker 3>That is far beyond anything that even if Corey and I thought</v>

02:40:24.080 --> 02:40:27.440
<v Speaker 3>those about these men, we would never say it online because</v>

02:40:28.560 --> 02:40:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Because they would call the FBI.</v>

02:40:30.400 --> 02:40:33.760
<v Speaker 3>They would take that as a serious personal threat.</v>

02:40:33.760 --> 02:40:37.840
<v Speaker 3>It beggars belief that this is occurring in our church, but this</v>

02:40:37.840 --> 02:40:41.600
<v Speaker 3>is cult behavior when men are intimidated by the fact that the</v>

02:40:41.600 --> 02:40:46.720
<v Speaker 3>church is contacting the police, contacting the FBI, and they're cutting off</v>

02:40:46.720 --> 02:40:51.200
<v Speaker 3>all communication with you, again, that's that's the Alinsky rule, cutting cutting</v>

02:40:51.200 --> 02:40:55.760
<v Speaker 3>off all social circles so that someone has no support saying you</v>

02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:57.760
<v Speaker 3>may not return to the church at all.</v>

02:40:57.760 --> 02:41:01.680
<v Speaker 3>This is complete spiritual and physical destruction as a package deal.</v>

02:41:01.680 --> 02:41:04.080
<v Speaker 3>This is sacramental for Matt Harrison.</v>

02:41:04.080 --> 02:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>This false prophet of St.</v>

02:41:05.680 --> 02:41:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Louis is he's vehemently pursuing his own religion, and he's doing it</v>

02:41:10.560 --> 02:41:12.640
<v Speaker 3>at the expense of Christian laymen.</v>

02:41:12.640 --> 02:41:14.240
<v Speaker 3>And he's not done.</v>

02:41:14.240 --> 02:41:16.320
<v Speaker 3>We're not the only ones he's doing this for.</v>

02:41:16.320 --> 02:41:20.000
<v Speaker 3>There are other men that are currently being targeted who are not</v>

02:41:20.480 --> 02:41:21.360
<v Speaker 3>currently public.</v>

02:41:21.360 --> 02:41:22.880
<v Speaker 3>We're not going to say more about it.</v>

02:41:22.880 --> 02:41:26.080
<v Speaker 3>I will say this, Matt, and all the other evil men who</v>

02:41:26.080 --> 02:41:27.040
<v Speaker 3>are listening.</v>

02:41:27.040 --> 02:41:29.600
<v Speaker 3>We know far more than we are saying here.</v>

02:41:29.600 --> 02:41:33.040
<v Speaker 3>We're saying what is relevant to us and was relevant to this</v>

02:41:33.040 --> 02:41:35.760
<v Speaker 3>timeline. If you think that all the other things you're doing in</v>

02:41:35.760 --> 02:41:37.840
<v Speaker 3>secret are actually secret, well</v>

02:41:38.800 --> 02:41:42.480
<v Speaker 3>we'll get in just a minute about the verses about daylight, but</v>

02:41:42.480 --> 02:41:45.360
<v Speaker 3>the daylight has come upon your actions too.</v>

02:41:45.360 --> 02:41:49.040
<v Speaker 3>What you're doing in secret has been made bare and when the</v>

02:41:49.040 --> 02:41:52.000
<v Speaker 3>time comes for that to be known to the world, it will</v>

02:41:52.160 --> 02:41:54.240
<v Speaker 3>you can rest assured.</v>

02:41:54.560 --> 02:42:00.240
<v Speaker 2>On the next day, that Tuesday, the seventh of March, Ryan was</v>

02:42:00.240 --> 02:42:03.760
<v Speaker 2>informed of the subject of the previously mentioned meeting, and that is,</v>

02:42:03.760 --> 02:42:07.760
<v Speaker 2>they were deeply concerned with his online activity.</v>

02:42:07.760 --> 02:42:11.040
<v Speaker 2>There was also an attempt to walk back the earlier admission of</v>

02:42:11.040 --> 02:42:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the involvement of the DP, and so clearly we see that Synod</v>

02:42:15.200 --> 02:42:18.480
<v Speaker 2>would like to be involved and control these things, but does not</v>

02:42:18.480 --> 02:42:20.240
<v Speaker 2>want anyone to know.</v>

02:42:20.240 --> 02:42:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Now I am going to say that this is most likely due</v>

02:42:23.680 --> 02:42:27.840
<v Speaker 2>to someone consulting Synod Council.</v>

02:42:28.400 --> 02:42:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Because an attorney is most likely going to advise the leadership of</v>

02:42:34.080 --> 02:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>synod that you should not be directly involved in this because you</v>

02:42:37.840 --> 02:42:42.240
<v Speaker 2>are opening yourself to liability, which is good advice, that is correct.</v>

02:42:42.400 --> 02:42:45.600
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying isn't legal advice, but you're not listening to this</v>

02:42:45.600 --> 02:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>podcast for legal advice.</v>

02:42:48.560 --> 02:42:51.600
<v Speaker 2>But I think that is most likely what happened here.</v>

02:42:52.640 --> 02:42:53.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's far too late</v>

02:42:53.840 --> 02:42:57.440
<v Speaker 3>because Senate's fingerprints are all over all of this.</v>

02:42:57.440 --> 02:42:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Again, we have multiple witnesses.</v>

02:42:59.440 --> 02:43:05.200
<v Speaker 3>We have documentation, physical documentation, we have eyewitnesses saying Synod directed us</v>

02:43:05.200 --> 02:43:06.000
<v Speaker 3>to do this.</v>

02:43:06.000 --> 02:43:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Matt Harrison has directed all this.</v>

02:43:08.000 --> 02:43:11.920
<v Speaker 3>All the lies, all the slander, all the defamation, all the malicious</v>

02:43:11.920 --> 02:43:16.320
<v Speaker 3>acts in person, calling the FBI, that's all on him.</v>

02:43:16.320 --> 02:43:17.920
<v Speaker 3>That's provable.</v>

02:43:17.920 --> 02:43:20.720
<v Speaker 3>And whether that's proved in the court of public opinion or it's</v>

02:43:20.720 --> 02:43:24.240
<v Speaker 3>proved in an actual court, frankly it's probably gonna be up to</v>

02:43:24.240 --> 02:43:25.520
<v Speaker 3>him down the road.</v>

02:43:25.520 --> 02:43:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they spoke to corporate counsel far too late.</v>

02:43:28.960 --> 02:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Because corporate counsel would have told them never to touch any of</v>

02:43:31.840 --> 02:43:33.680
<v Speaker 2>this. And then this wouldn't have happened.</v>

02:43:33.680 --> 02:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>They would have behaved as actual Christians, which irony of ironies, an</v>

02:43:37.280 --> 02:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>attorney would have told them to behave as a Christian.</v>

02:43:39.920 --> 02:43:42.800
<v Speaker 2>But sometimes these things align for</v>

02:43:43.840 --> 02:43:45.840
<v Speaker 2>fortuitous reasons.</v>

02:43:45.840 --> 02:43:51.120
<v Speaker 2>But that same day, that Tuesday, Ryan met with the circuit pastor.</v>

02:43:51.120 --> 02:43:54.080
<v Speaker 2>And did you want to go over the details of that one</v>

02:43:54.080 --> 02:43:55.520
<v Speaker 2>or just refer people to the thread</v>

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I

02:43:56.480 --> 02:43:58.080
<v Speaker 3>think we'll just refer to the thread.</v>

02:43:58.080 --> 02:44:01.440
<v Speaker 3>It's the we're we're already incredibly long and we got at least</v>

02:44:01.440 --> 02:44:03.040
<v Speaker 3>another hour of content of our own.</v>

02:44:03.040 --> 02:44:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Ryan has separately detailed all the events of what has been done</v>

02:44:06.880 --> 02:44:07.840
<v Speaker 3>to him.</v>

02:44:08.160 --> 02:44:10.400
<v Speaker 3>The point that we wanted to make is that that's just one</v>

02:44:10.400 --> 02:44:11.600
<v Speaker 3>story of four.</v>

02:44:11.600 --> 02:44:14.640
<v Speaker 3>All four stories have some very striking similarities.</v>

02:44:14.640 --> 02:44:16.880
<v Speaker 3>They have some variations on themes.</v>

02:44:16.880 --> 02:44:20.880
<v Speaker 3>They have some verbatim accusations that keep popping up.</v>

02:44:20.880 --> 02:44:24.080
<v Speaker 3>So you can discern from all of that both the script and</v>

02:44:24.080 --> 02:44:27.120
<v Speaker 3>who wrote it by send its fingerprints being all over all of</v>

02:44:27.120 --> 02:44:28.400
<v Speaker 3>it fundamentally.</v>

02:44:28.720 --> 02:44:28.880
And

02:44:28.880 --> 02:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>then Ryan had another meeting that same week, that Thursday, the ninth,</v>

02:44:32.480 --> 02:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and that was with his pastor, a circuit pastor, and two elders.</v>

02:44:36.960 --> 02:44:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And again, you can look at his thread that will be in</v>

02:44:39.760 --> 02:44:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the show notes for some of the details of that.</v>

02:44:44.240 --> 02:44:48.080
<v Speaker 3>And so the next day on Friday, uh one of the LCMS</v>

02:44:48.080 --> 02:44:52.400
<v Speaker 3>pastors who uses a pseudonym to specifically attack us on Twitter.</v>

02:44:52.400 --> 02:44:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what his real name is, but I believe</v>

02:44:54.400 --> 02:44:56.640
<v Speaker 3>him when he claims to be an LCMS pastor.</v>

02:44:56.640 --> 02:44:59.600
<v Speaker 3>He goes by the name Luther Commander CMDR.</v>

02:44:59.600 --> 02:45:02.400
<v Speaker 3>He tweeted on the tenth that he had my docs, that he</v>

02:45:02.400 --> 02:45:04.320
<v Speaker 3>knew my name and you know</v>

02:45:05.680 --> 02:45:09.280
<v Speaker 3>one of the things about doxing, as we said in the episode</v>

02:45:09.280 --> 02:45:13.120
<v Speaker 3>on the enemy's playbook, is that the threat is worse than the</v>

02:45:13.120 --> 02:45:13.920
<v Speaker 3>thing itself.</v>

02:45:13.920 --> 02:45:18.320
<v Speaker 3>And so when they're getting close to doing their evil deeds, they</v>

02:45:18.320 --> 02:45:22.240
<v Speaker 3>want to amp up the terror as much as possible in their</v>

02:45:22.240 --> 02:45:26.000
<v Speaker 3>target. And so for most people, the idea of being doxxed is</v>

02:45:26.000 --> 02:45:28.880
<v Speaker 3>scary enough to chase them away.</v>

02:45:28.880 --> 02:45:32.640
<v Speaker 3>There are men who have had peripheral connections to some of this</v>

02:45:32.880 --> 02:45:36.080
<v Speaker 3>who have been chased away by the thought of being doxxed.</v>

02:45:36.080 --> 02:45:38.480
<v Speaker 3>And I don't blame them.</v>

02:45:38.480 --> 02:45:43.280
<v Speaker 3>If you're not financially independent, if you can have something taken away</v>

02:45:43.280 --> 02:45:48.080
<v Speaker 3>from you that endangers your family's welfare, you have to weigh that.</v>

02:45:48.080 --> 02:45:50.160
<v Speaker 3>And that's what doxing relies on.</v>

02:45:50.160 --> 02:45:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Saying we're gonna make you unemployable.</v>

02:45:52.320 --> 02:45:55.120
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna make it so no one will ever talk to you.</v>

02:45:55.120 --> 02:45:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Not only we will you never be allowed to go to church</v>

02:45:57.360 --> 02:46:00.240
<v Speaker 3>again, at least in the Missouri Synod, but you'll never be hired</v>

02:46:00.240 --> 02:46:01.520
<v Speaker 3>in XYZ.</v>

02:46:01.520 --> 02:46:05.680
<v Speaker 3>So when this pastor, this Missouri Synod pastor, said Says, I have</v>

02:46:05.680 --> 02:46:07.360
<v Speaker 3>your docs, Fan Molly.</v>

02:46:07.680 --> 02:46:10.160
<v Speaker 3>The specifics don't matter, but he he made clear that he knew</v>

02:46:10.160 --> 02:46:11.680
<v Speaker 3>who I was.</v>

02:46:11.680 --> 02:46:16.080
<v Speaker 3>That was the first time that I had any indication that that</v>

02:46:16.080 --> 02:46:16.720
<v Speaker 3>was true.</v>

02:46:16.720 --> 02:46:18.960
<v Speaker 3>No, on the f as I mentioned earlier, on the first, I</v>

02:46:18.960 --> 02:46:21.840
<v Speaker 3>had talked to one of my elders to say, I know that</v>

02:46:21.840 --> 02:46:23.040
<v Speaker 3>this is coming.</v>

02:46:23.040 --> 02:46:26.960
<v Speaker 3>On the tenth, when this pastor revealed that he had my docs,</v>

02:46:26.960 --> 02:46:29.840
<v Speaker 3>like, okay, well, I I guess I was right about the timing,</v>

02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:33.760
<v Speaker 3>but I had no idea how did it happen at that point.</v>

02:46:33.760 --> 02:46:34.080
<v Speaker 3>So</v>

02:46:37.120 --> 02:46:39.840
<v Speaker 3>the next day, Corey, you received that letter that we had you</v>

02:46:39.840 --> 02:46:43.520
<v Speaker 3>had previously read with the details of your excommunication, which was the</v>

02:46:43.520 --> 02:46:46.240
<v Speaker 3>first actual indication that you had been excommunicated.</v>

02:46:46.240 --> 02:46:48.240
<v Speaker 3>At that point it was just it was just a rumor on</v>

02:46:48.240 --> 02:46:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Twitter, among other pastors, which I hope people are recognizing is one</v>

02:46:52.880 --> 02:46:54.640
<v Speaker 3>of the recurring themes in this.</v>

02:46:54.640 --> 02:47:00.640
<v Speaker 3>LCMS pastors, agents of the Missouri Synod Corporation are slanders and gossips</v>

02:47:00.640 --> 02:47:02.880
<v Speaker 3>of the lowest order.</v>

02:47:03.120 --> 02:47:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Incidentally, it also very much proves their little networks that are pushing</v>

02:47:08.240 --> 02:47:12.480
<v Speaker 2>so much of this information and how it is being disseminated not</v>

02:47:12.480 --> 02:47:16.240
<v Speaker 2>only from synod, but from pastors up to synod.</v>

02:47:16.240 --> 02:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>There is a definite feedback loop in many of these cases.</v>

02:47:20.240 --> 02:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Unquestionably. And so that that was on Saturday, the eleventh, as was</v>

02:47:25.760 --> 02:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>mentioned. The Wednesday after that, the fifteenth of March, we published the</v>

02:47:31.680 --> 02:47:35.440
<v Speaker 2>episode against the Antichrist, where we went through that</v>

02:47:36.640 --> 02:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>press release, we should call it, from Harrison, and detailed the ways</v>

02:47:42.320 --> 02:47:47.520
<v Speaker 2>in which he taught falsely and corrected what he stated in that,</v>

02:47:47.520 --> 02:47:50.320
<v Speaker 2>and I will link to that because that is worth re-listening to</v>

02:47:50.640 --> 02:47:52.720
<v Speaker 2>if you have forgotten some of those specific.</v>

02:47:52.720 --> 02:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>It ties into all of this.</v>

02:47:54.800 --> 02:48:00.400
<v Speaker 2>And as we keep mentioning, the podcast is a thread, there are</v>

02:48:00.240 --> 02:48:04.320
<v Speaker 2>interconnections everywhere, all of this is interconnected.</v>

02:48:04.320 --> 02:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Because there is an animating intelligence on the other side, and there</v>

02:48:08.480 --> 02:48:11.600
<v Speaker 2>is an animating intelligence on this side.</v>

02:48:11.600 --> 02:48:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Because we are fighting for Christ and his kingdom and his bride,</v>

02:48:16.240 --> 02:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>his truth, and the other side is fighting against</v>

02:48:19.360 --> 02:48:20.160
it.

02:48:20.560 --> 02:48:24.720
<v Speaker 3>So that same day after we publish the Against the Antichrist episode.</v>

02:48:24.720 --> 02:48:27.840
<v Speaker 3>At some point in the afternoon, the same three pastors that have</v>

02:48:27.840 --> 02:48:31.040
<v Speaker 3>popped up at the very beginning, Dan Ross, Eric Johnson, and Ben</v>

02:48:31.040 --> 02:48:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Meyer, all confirmed that they had my docs.</v>

02:48:33.840 --> 02:48:35.360
<v Speaker 3>They did this on Twitter.</v>

02:48:35.360 --> 02:48:39.280
<v Speaker 3>So early in the afternoon, two of them were tweeting about Bible</v>

02:48:39.600 --> 02:48:42.800
<v Speaker 3>verses about darkness being brought into light, which is one of the</v>

02:48:42.800 --> 02:48:44.560
<v Speaker 3>very favorite things to say about us.</v>

02:48:44.560 --> 02:48:48.400
<v Speaker 3>They say that we were filled with darkness, that we're hiding in</v>

02:48:48.400 --> 02:48:52.720
<v Speaker 3>darkness, that anonymity is darkness, and that they're bringing the light to</v>

02:48:52.720 --> 02:48:57.360
<v Speaker 3>darkness with their slanderous accusations and their murderous lies.</v>

02:48:57.360 --> 02:49:00.320
<v Speaker 3>So in the afternoon, I could tell they got riled up because</v>

02:49:00.400 --> 02:49:03.760
<v Speaker 3>they were posting about you know light and darkness and whatever.</v>

02:49:03.760 --> 02:49:06.400
<v Speaker 3>And I thought, you know, maybe this has to do with Luther</v>

02:49:06.400 --> 02:49:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Commander a few days earlier saying that he had my docs.</v>

02:49:09.280 --> 02:49:14.960
<v Speaker 3>And then a couple hours after Eric and Ben were tweeting about</v>

02:49:14.960 --> 02:49:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Light, Dan Ross posted a long thread With my docs.</v>

02:49:19.920 --> 02:49:23.520
<v Speaker 3>It didn't name me directly, but he gave specific details about where</v>

02:49:23.520 --> 02:49:27.760
<v Speaker 3>I where I live, about previous employment that made it very clear</v>

02:49:27.760 --> 02:49:30.240
<v Speaker 3>that he knew what I where I lived, who I was, what</v>

02:49:30.240 --> 02:49:33.440
<v Speaker 3>my name was, and he was doing it to intimidate me.</v>

02:49:33.840 --> 02:49:36.880
<v Speaker 3>This is an LCMS pastor in Oklahoma, mind you.</v>

02:49:36.880 --> 02:49:41.520
<v Speaker 3>He has no connection to synod other than the hierarchy and his</v>

02:49:41.520 --> 02:49:43.920
<v Speaker 3>network of pastor friends.</v>

02:49:43.920 --> 02:49:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Somehow he had my docks.</v>

02:49:46.160 --> 02:49:48.880
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't know at the time what had done it, but</v>

02:49:48.880 --> 02:49:52.400
<v Speaker 3>as I subsequently learned, on the first when I spoke to my</v>

02:49:52.400 --> 02:49:56.080
<v Speaker 3>past to my elder Tom and said, I'm coming to you as</v>

02:49:56.080 --> 02:49:57.840
<v Speaker 3>an elder, don't tell this to anyone.</v>

02:49:57.840 --> 02:49:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Synod is trying to dox me.</v>

02:49:59.440 --> 02:50:00.880
<v Speaker 3>What did he do?</v>

02:50:00.880 --> 02:50:04.160
<v Speaker 3>He immediately doxed me to Synod.</v>

02:50:04.160 --> 02:50:09.040
<v Speaker 3>And within 10 days, my dox was communicated up to St.</v>

02:50:09.040 --> 02:50:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Louis. I know for a fact that it went through corporate headquarters</v>

02:50:11.680 --> 02:50:12.080
<v Speaker 3>in St.</v>

02:50:12.080 --> 02:50:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Louis and then it came back down to Oklahoma and to wherever</v>

02:50:16.160 --> 02:50:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Lutheran commander lives.</v>

02:50:18.960 --> 02:50:22.960
<v Speaker 3>This is direct, immediate proof that the Missouri Senate is participating in</v>

02:50:23.040 --> 02:50:29.600
<v Speaker 3>my docs that they were spreading my personal private information among themselves.</v>

02:50:29.600 --> 02:50:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Now, Dan Ross has no relationship to me as a pastor.</v>

02:50:33.440 --> 02:50:36.000
<v Speaker 3>He's just some jackass on Twitter.</v>

02:50:36.000 --> 02:50:39.440
<v Speaker 3>He's a slander, he's a murderer, he's not a Christian.</v>

02:50:39.440 --> 02:50:42.320
<v Speaker 3>We he was used as a specific example of one of these</v>

02:50:42.320 --> 02:50:49.040
<v Speaker 3>pastors who directly blasphemes scripture gleefully in service of the modern religion</v>

02:50:49.040 --> 02:50:50.560
<v Speaker 3>that the Missouri Senate holds to.</v>

02:50:50.560 --> 02:50:52.080
<v Speaker 3>He He's a cult member.</v>

02:50:52.080 --> 02:50:55.040
<v Speaker 3>He is and he's a card carrying cult member because he's a</v>

02:50:55.040 --> 02:50:57.120
<v Speaker 3>pastor in this cult.</v>

02:50:57.120 --> 02:51:00.640
<v Speaker 3>When he posted my docs, he made it clear that he and</v>

02:51:00.640 --> 02:51:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Synod were acting in collusion to intimidate a layman, to threaten me</v>

02:51:04.960 --> 02:51:10.000
<v Speaker 3>physically, which keep in mind, I already knew that Synod was talking</v>

02:51:10.000 --> 02:51:12.640
<v Speaker 3>to the FBI and to police.</v>

02:51:12.640 --> 02:51:15.760
<v Speaker 3>These are intimidation tactics of the highest order.</v>

02:51:15.760 --> 02:51:18.640
<v Speaker 3>And it was funny to watch because Dan posted that threat on</v>

02:51:18.640 --> 02:51:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Twitter and nobody responded and I just ignored it.</v>

02:51:22.240 --> 02:51:25.440
<v Speaker 3>And so he he retweeted a couple times and was plaintively trying</v>

02:51:25.440 --> 02:51:26.560
<v Speaker 3>to get some attention.</v>

02:51:26.560 --> 02:51:29.280
<v Speaker 3>He was frustrated that no one took the bait, 'cause he thought</v>

02:51:29.280 --> 02:51:32.720
<v Speaker 3>it was so clever and this was this was a Wednesday.</v>

02:51:32.720 --> 02:51:36.560
<v Speaker 3>By Friday evening, he had deleted the entire thread, which means that</v>

02:51:36.560 --> 02:51:41.120
<v Speaker 3>someone else saw what he was doing and said, Dan, you idiot,</v>

02:51:41.120 --> 02:51:42.320
<v Speaker 3>you screwed up.</v>

02:51:42.320 --> 02:51:46.640
<v Speaker 3>You just physically proved beyond any shadow of doubt that the LCMS</v>

02:51:46.640 --> 02:51:49.600
<v Speaker 3>communicated my docs to you.</v>

02:51:49.600 --> 02:51:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Too late.</v>

02:51:50.640 --> 02:51:51.760
<v Speaker 3>It's archived.</v>

02:51:51.760 --> 02:51:53.200
<v Speaker 3>It's in Twitter's database.</v>

02:51:53.200 --> 02:51:54.160
<v Speaker 3>I have screenshots.</v>

02:51:54.160 --> 02:51:55.360
<v Speaker 3>It can be subpoenaed.</v>

02:51:55.360 --> 02:51:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Dan Dan is the absolute proof that Luther Commander was telling the</v>

02:51:58.800 --> 02:52:01.920
<v Speaker 3>truth four days earlier that Synod had doxxed me.</v>

02:52:01.920 --> 02:52:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Now again, I didn't know on the fifteenth how Dan got it.</v>

02:52:04.560 --> 02:52:07.840
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't until a couple weeks later, which is is the rest</v>

02:52:07.840 --> 02:52:10.080
<v Speaker 3>of my part of the story where I found out how that</v>

02:52:10.560 --> 02:52:14.560
<v Speaker 3>happened. So that was Wednesday the 15th.</v>

02:52:14.720 --> 02:52:19.840
<v Speaker 3>The following Tuesday the 21st, I had known at this point that</v>

02:52:19.840 --> 02:52:21.040
<v Speaker 3>I was going to be doxed.</v>

02:52:21.040 --> 02:52:23.200
<v Speaker 3>I knew that I had been doxed, which meant that I knew</v>

02:52:23.200 --> 02:52:26.800
<v Speaker 3>that at some point soon what I had warned Tom about was</v>

02:52:26.800 --> 02:52:28.320
<v Speaker 3>going to come to fruition.</v>

02:52:28.320 --> 02:52:31.040
<v Speaker 3>That these liars from the cult in St.</v>

02:52:31.040 --> 02:52:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Louis were going to come to my elders and say, this guy's</v>

02:52:34.560 --> 02:52:38.400
<v Speaker 3>a terrorist, this guy is all these things, this guy is evil.</v>

02:52:38.400 --> 02:52:40.160
<v Speaker 3>I knew that that was coming.</v>

02:52:40.160 --> 02:52:42.000
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want them to be blindsided.</v>

02:52:42.000 --> 02:52:44.880
<v Speaker 3>So I spoke to a second elder and to another man that</v>

02:52:44.880 --> 02:52:48.000
<v Speaker 3>I trusted in the congregation to get him up to date.</v>

02:52:48.000 --> 02:52:50.400
<v Speaker 3>I told him the same things that I had told Tom in</v>

02:52:50.400 --> 02:52:51.280
<v Speaker 3>the first meeting.</v>

02:52:51.280 --> 02:52:53.040
<v Speaker 3>I told him I had met with Tom.</v>

02:52:53.040 --> 02:52:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know at the time how I had been doxxed.</v>

02:52:55.920 --> 02:52:59.760
<v Speaker 3>And it was clear to me in retrospect from their response that</v>

02:52:59.760 --> 02:53:02.160
<v Speaker 3>they didn't know yet either what was happening.</v>

02:53:02.160 --> 02:53:05.920
<v Speaker 3>They listened as Christians to to all of it and you know</v>

02:53:06.080 --> 02:53:07.840
<v Speaker 3>said, okay, you know, how do you how do you leave a</v>

02:53:07.840 --> 02:53:11.120
<v Speaker 3>meeting like that where one of your layman says that Synod is</v>

02:53:11.120 --> 02:53:13.040
<v Speaker 3>trying to physically destroy you?</v>

02:53:13.040 --> 02:53:15.520
<v Speaker 3>They didn't know what to make of it, but I and I</v>

02:53:15.520 --> 02:53:16.800
<v Speaker 3>at that point I didn't care.</v>

02:53:16.800 --> 02:53:20.240
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted them to know not to make my case before</v>

02:53:20.400 --> 02:53:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Synod brought its lies, but just so they wouldn't be blindsided, because</v>

02:53:24.320 --> 02:53:26.480
<v Speaker 3>again, we don't have a pastor.</v>

02:53:26.560 --> 02:53:29.760
<v Speaker 3>These guys are not involved at all in in synod politics or</v>

02:53:29.760 --> 02:53:32.800
<v Speaker 3>anything. It would be an absolute shock to anyone's system in their</v>

02:53:32.800 --> 02:53:37.040
<v Speaker 3>position for someone to reach down through the tentacles of synod and</v>

02:53:37.040 --> 02:53:42.320
<v Speaker 3>make slanderous defamatory accusations against me about things like terrorism and that</v>

02:53:42.320 --> 02:53:45.680
<v Speaker 3>the FBI has been called and that there were physical threats.</v>

02:53:45.680 --> 02:53:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want them to be hearing that for the first time</v>

02:53:48.080 --> 02:53:49.440
<v Speaker 3>from a stranger.</v>

02:53:49.440 --> 02:53:51.760
<v Speaker 3>So 21st I met with them.</v>

02:53:51.760 --> 02:53:56.400
<v Speaker 3>On the 30th of March, the the elders met privately.</v>

02:53:56.400 --> 02:53:58.400
<v Speaker 3>I was not aware of this at the time, but they met</v>

02:53:58.560 --> 02:54:01.440
<v Speaker 3>together to discuss the situation.</v>

02:54:01.440 --> 02:54:03.760
<v Speaker 3>And let's see, Thursday that was a Thursday.</v>

02:54:04.000 --> 02:54:06.640
<v Speaker 3>The thirtieth, the Thursday, they met together.</v>

02:54:06.640 --> 02:54:10.640
<v Speaker 3>Subsequent to that meeting of the elders, the president of the congregation</v>

02:54:10.640 --> 02:54:14.480
<v Speaker 3>contacted me by phone and asked if I'd be available to meet</v>

02:54:14.480 --> 02:54:19.840
<v Speaker 3>after church with them uh to discuss what was going on.</v>

02:54:19.840 --> 02:54:23.440
<v Speaker 3>At that point I obviously knew the context of the meeting.</v>

02:54:23.440 --> 02:54:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Because of the previous ambushes, I asked the president point blank the</v>

02:54:27.760 --> 02:54:30.240
<v Speaker 3>names of all the men that would be present because I I</v>

02:54:30.240 --> 02:54:33.040
<v Speaker 3>told him in like fifteen minutes I told him what had happened</v>

02:54:33.040 --> 02:54:35.680
<v Speaker 3>to Ash, what happened to Corey, what had happened to Indy, what</v>

02:54:35.840 --> 02:54:36.880
<v Speaker 3>happened to Ryan.</v>

02:54:36.880 --> 02:54:40.560
<v Speaker 3>I said, if I'm going to show up, I want to know</v>

02:54:40.560 --> 02:54:41.920
<v Speaker 3>the name of every man present.</v>

02:54:41.920 --> 02:54:44.800
<v Speaker 3>If there's somebody else in the room that I don't recognize, this</v>

02:54:44.800 --> 02:54:46.160
<v Speaker 3>isn't gonna happen.</v>

02:54:46.160 --> 02:54:49.760
<v Speaker 3>And he assured me that the the names that he had given</v>

02:54:49.680 --> 02:54:50.960
<v Speaker 3>me would be the only names present.</v>

02:54:50.960 --> 02:54:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I believed him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So I showed up for a meeting on Sunday, the 2nd of</v>

02:54:56.880 --> 02:55:01.280
<v Speaker 3>April. Met with the president and two other witnesses for about 90</v>

02:55:01.280 --> 02:55:04.560
<v Speaker 3>minutes. And during that meeting, they</v>

02:55:05.840 --> 02:55:07.280
<v Speaker 3>there was some back and forth.</v>

02:55:07.280 --> 02:55:09.600
<v Speaker 3>We sort of laid out the details of how we got there</v>

02:55:09.520 --> 02:55:10.160
<v Speaker 3>we got there.</v>

02:55:10.160 --> 02:55:14.400
<v Speaker 3>And one of the things that the president made very clear by</v>

02:55:14.400 --> 02:55:18.080
<v Speaker 3>way of admission was that Tom had doxed me to Synod.</v>

02:55:18.080 --> 02:55:21.760
<v Speaker 3>The elder in whom I had confided for his own spiritual sake</v>

02:55:22.000 --> 02:55:24.080
<v Speaker 3>is the one who had doxed me to Synod.</v>

02:55:24.160 --> 02:55:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Apparently his daughter has sick some connection to Synod.</v>

02:55:27.040 --> 02:55:31.120
<v Speaker 3>He went through her, that reached up directly to corporate, and then,</v>

02:55:31.120 --> 02:55:35.360
<v Speaker 3>as I said earlier, back down to multiple pastors and far flung</v>

02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:38.880
<v Speaker 3>parts of the country who now knew my name and address and</v>

02:55:38.880 --> 02:55:42.640
<v Speaker 3>were personally trying to intimidate me on the internet by posting part</v>

02:55:42.640 --> 02:55:47.520
<v Speaker 3>of my docs, which incidentally, well, they're both legal and civil civil</v>

02:55:47.520 --> 02:55:50.960
<v Speaker 3>ramifications to those sorts of threats.</v>

02:55:50.960 --> 02:55:54.800
<v Speaker 3>During that conversation, I was pretty well prepared for it because again,</v>

02:55:54.800 --> 02:55:57.120
<v Speaker 3>I had known what had happened before.</v>

02:55:57.120 --> 02:56:01.840
<v Speaker 3>What came out pretty quickly was that they started enumerating a few</v>

02:56:01.840 --> 02:56:06.400
<v Speaker 3>of the accusations against me, And it was the exact same wording</v>

02:56:06.400 --> 02:56:09.360
<v Speaker 3>that had been used with Ash and with</v>

02:56:10.240 --> 02:56:12.320
<v Speaker 3>Ryan and with Indy.</v>

02:56:12.320 --> 02:56:15.120
<v Speaker 3>They highlighted three specific things and said that I was I was</v>

02:56:15.360 --> 02:56:17.840
<v Speaker 3>guilty of them and I got them to clarify.</v>

02:56:17.840 --> 02:56:19.280
<v Speaker 3>I said, Where did you get that language?</v>

02:56:19.280 --> 02:56:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I asked the president, where did he get that language?</v>

02:56:21.680 --> 02:56:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Because I knew it didn't come from him.</v>

02:56:23.600 --> 02:56:28.160
<v Speaker 3>And he admitted that synod had transmitted to them through Tom</v>

02:56:29.120 --> 02:56:33.600
<v Speaker 3>documentation, the dossier, part of the dossier that Matt Harrison had assembled</v>

02:56:33.600 --> 02:56:38.560
<v Speaker 3>against me, a layman, targeting me for the large cataclysm for my</v>

02:56:38.560 --> 02:56:42.160
<v Speaker 3>opposition to that form To that false doctrine, they had physical copies</v>

02:56:42.160 --> 02:56:42.560
<v Speaker 3>of it.</v>

02:56:42.560 --> 02:56:44.160
<v Speaker 3>I said, I want a copy of that.</v>

02:56:44.160 --> 02:56:47.280
<v Speaker 3>Because I knew at this point everyone else had been having these</v>

02:56:47.280 --> 02:56:49.840
<v Speaker 3>secret charges from secret accusers.</v>

02:56:49.840 --> 02:56:52.560
<v Speaker 3>It's something that when you hear the transcript from Ryan, when you</v>

02:56:52.560 --> 02:56:55.440
<v Speaker 3>hear his clips, he had the same problem.</v>

02:56:55.440 --> 02:56:58.320
<v Speaker 3>There was a secret dossier assembled against him.</v>

02:56:58.320 --> 02:57:03.680
<v Speaker 3>The details were just sort of read off completely haphazardly, with no</v>

02:57:03.680 --> 02:57:08.080
<v Speaker 3>context, with no opportunity to respond to explain what is going on.</v>

02:57:08.080 --> 02:57:10.240
<v Speaker 3>And in his case, it wasn't even things he had said.</v>

02:57:10.240 --> 02:57:11.920
<v Speaker 3>It was things other men said.</v>

02:57:11.920 --> 02:57:14.400
<v Speaker 3>But even then it was still secret accusers.</v>

02:57:14.400 --> 02:57:17.200
<v Speaker 3>So I knew the secret accuser thing was going to happen because</v>

02:57:17.200 --> 02:57:18.720
<v Speaker 3>I I knew the accuser is.</v>

02:57:18.720 --> 02:57:20.000
<v Speaker 3>The accuser is Satan.</v>

02:57:20.000 --> 02:57:21.520
<v Speaker 3>His agent is Matt Harrison.</v>

02:57:21.520 --> 02:57:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Whoever assembled the secret dossier probably on payroll, is the accuser who</v>

02:57:26.960 --> 02:57:29.920
<v Speaker 3>passed this down through my elder to my congregation.</v>

02:57:29.920 --> 02:57:33.120
<v Speaker 3>So I have a physical copy of that printout that's just a</v>

02:57:33.120 --> 02:57:37.120
<v Speaker 3>it's a list of some tweets going up through about like March</v>

02:57:37.120 --> 02:57:39.120
<v Speaker 3>twenty-third, roughly.</v>

02:57:39.120 --> 02:57:43.840
<v Speaker 3>They're not screenshots, they're just copy pastes of the words that were</v>

02:57:43.840 --> 02:57:44.480
<v Speaker 3>in the tweets.</v>

02:57:44.480 --> 02:57:48.160
<v Speaker 3>I never bothered to check to see if they were verbatim what</v>

02:57:48.160 --> 02:57:50.960
<v Speaker 3>was what I had said on Twitter.</v>

02:57:51.040 --> 02:57:53.440
<v Speaker 3>The reason I mentioned that is that I didn't need to in</v>

02:57:53.440 --> 02:57:58.320
<v Speaker 3>this meeting because one of the other guys who was there, as</v>

02:57:58.960 --> 02:58:03.040
<v Speaker 3>I was sort of explaining the backstory to what was happening, he</v>

02:58:03.040 --> 02:58:05.200
<v Speaker 3>said, you know, let's just get down to basics.</v>

02:58:05.200 --> 02:58:07.280
<v Speaker 3>We don't need to hear your excuses.</v>

02:58:07.280 --> 02:58:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I've always liked you and respected you, you're the most knowledgeable man</v>

02:58:10.880 --> 02:58:13.120
<v Speaker 3>about scripture in the congregation.</v>

02:58:13.120 --> 02:58:16.240
<v Speaker 3>I've always been very impressed with your knowledge of Lutheranism, so I'm</v>

02:58:16.240 --> 02:58:18.240
<v Speaker 3>shocked to find out you're not a Christian.</v>

02:58:18.400 --> 02:58:20.720
<v Speaker 3>That's almost verbatim what he said.</v>

02:58:20.720 --> 02:58:23.920
<v Speaker 3>He was shocked to learn that I wasn't Christian based on the</v>

02:58:23.920 --> 02:58:26.160
<v Speaker 3>tweets. Like, okay, fine.</v>

02:58:26.160 --> 02:58:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Let's look at this piece of paper.</v>

02:58:28.240 --> 02:58:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Let's you pick a tweet and you tell me which one isn't</v>

02:58:31.280 --> 02:58:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Christian and let's talk about it.</v>

02:58:32.800 --> 02:58:33.920
<v Speaker 3>He said, I don't want to do that.</v>

02:58:33.920 --> 02:58:36.400
<v Speaker 3>It's I said, which which specific thing have I said is not</v>

02:58:36.480 --> 02:58:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Christian? So well all of it's not Christian.</v>

02:58:38.560 --> 02:58:39.680
<v Speaker 3>I said, okay, great.</v>

02:58:39.680 --> 02:58:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Then we can have a specific example and we can discuss the</v>

02:58:42.880 --> 02:58:47.600
<v Speaker 3>details of why I in good conscience said something and why you</v>

02:58:47.600 --> 02:58:50.880
<v Speaker 3>think that it's not Christian, that means I'm going to hell for</v>

02:58:50.880 --> 02:58:52.400
<v Speaker 3>a tweet.</v>

02:58:52.400 --> 02:58:53.440
<v Speaker 3>He refused.</v>

02:58:53.440 --> 02:58:57.040
<v Speaker 3>At no point in the ninety minute conversation was there any actual</v>

02:58:57.040 --> 02:59:00.720
<v Speaker 3>discussion of the specifics of anything that I had said.</v>

02:59:00.720 --> 02:59:04.160
<v Speaker 3>Now, the other two men who were present bathed themselves in a</v>

02:59:04.160 --> 02:59:05.120
<v Speaker 3>completely Christian manner.</v>

02:59:05.120 --> 02:59:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I have no problem with how that meeting was conducted.</v>

02:59:07.760 --> 02:59:09.120
<v Speaker 3>It was not an ambush.</v>

02:59:09.120 --> 02:59:10.640
<v Speaker 3>The president was true to his word.</v>

02:59:10.640 --> 02:59:12.880
<v Speaker 3>The only men who were present there were the men he had</v>

02:59:12.880 --> 02:59:16.800
<v Speaker 3>named. And I believe him completely that on his part, he was</v>

02:59:16.800 --> 02:59:19.360
<v Speaker 3>not acting on the orders of synod.</v>

02:59:19.360 --> 02:59:21.760
<v Speaker 3>That only played out because we didn't have a pastor.</v>

02:59:21.760 --> 02:59:24.080
<v Speaker 3>If there'd been a pastor, I don't know what would have happened.</v>

02:59:24.080 --> 02:59:26.880
<v Speaker 3>But I would have at least had a personal relationship with the</v>

02:59:26.880 --> 02:59:31.040
<v Speaker 3>man. As it happened, the basically the same thing happened in my</v>

02:59:31.120 --> 02:59:34.560
<v Speaker 3>90 minutes with them as happened to Ash and to Indy and</v>

02:59:34.560 --> 02:59:38.000
<v Speaker 3>to Ryan, which was that no specifics were ever discussed.</v>

02:59:38.000 --> 02:59:39.520
<v Speaker 3>It's just, oh, it's all bad.</v>

02:59:39.520 --> 02:59:40.480
<v Speaker 3>It's all not Christian.</v>

02:59:40.480 --> 02:59:41.680
<v Speaker 3>It's all evil.</v>

02:59:41.680 --> 02:59:45.760
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of frustrating as a Christian when someone says you're going</v>

02:59:45.760 --> 02:59:48.480
<v Speaker 3>to hell and can't tell you why.</v>

02:59:48.480 --> 02:59:51.520
<v Speaker 3>That that's something that should concern anyone, because I do take it</v>

02:59:51.520 --> 02:59:54.800
<v Speaker 3>seriously. As I've said in previous episodes, when someone comes to me</v>

02:59:54.800 --> 02:59:59.360
<v Speaker 3>and says you're doing something wrong, that trip's a circuit breaker, and</v>

02:59:59.360 --> 03:00:02.880
<v Speaker 3>I pause whatever I'm doing and I evaluate, are they right?</v>

03:00:02.880 --> 03:00:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Because regardless of how they bring it to me, regardless of what</v>

03:00:05.600 --> 03:00:09.200
<v Speaker 3>I think of them, if I'm doing something sinful, that's my chief</v>

03:00:09.200 --> 03:00:12.880
<v Speaker 3>concern. If I'm sinning against God, that matters more than any of</v>

03:00:12.880 --> 03:00:14.640
<v Speaker 3>the circumstances surrounding it.</v>

03:00:14.640 --> 03:00:17.440
<v Speaker 3>And so when these men say you're going to hell, like as</v>

03:00:17.440 --> 03:00:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Matt Harrison said in writing in his his publication on february twenty</v>

03:00:20.880 --> 03:00:21.120
<v Speaker 3>first</v>

03:00:22.320 --> 03:00:23.760
<v Speaker 3>I like specifics.</v>

03:00:23.760 --> 03:00:25.360
<v Speaker 3>I like to look at the specifics.</v>

03:00:25.360 --> 03:00:28.720
<v Speaker 3>That's the reason that six weeks after Matt Harrison published that, we</v>

03:00:28.720 --> 03:00:30.640
<v Speaker 3>refuted it line by line.</v>

03:00:30.640 --> 03:00:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Because virtually every word of it was a lie.</v>

03:00:33.120 --> 03:00:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Most of it was blasphemous against Scripture and against the God of</v>

03:00:36.960 --> 03:00:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Scripture, which at this point should be no surprise to anyone listening.</v>

03:00:40.400 --> 03:00:42.320
<v Speaker 3>We're not dealing with Christians.</v>

03:00:42.320 --> 03:00:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Not in my church.</v>

03:00:43.280 --> 03:00:46.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the the response that Tom had to me coming to</v>

03:00:46.640 --> 03:00:50.160
<v Speaker 3>him in brotherly love to say, I know you're not gonna like</v>

03:00:50.160 --> 03:00:52.800
<v Speaker 3>this, but I need you to know because it's gonna hurt you.</v>

03:00:53.040 --> 03:00:55.440
<v Speaker 3>As I said, he's never spoken to me again.</v>

03:00:55.440 --> 03:00:57.200
<v Speaker 3>In fact, he has left the church.</v>

03:00:57.200 --> 03:00:59.440
<v Speaker 3>The reason I said we don't have three elders anymore is he's</v>

03:00:59.440 --> 03:01:04.880
<v Speaker 3>left. He hates me so much for Stone Choir that he went</v>

03:01:04.880 --> 03:01:07.440
<v Speaker 3>around to the rest of the congregation and the reason I I</v>

03:01:07.600 --> 03:01:10.720
<v Speaker 3>I buried the lead, the reason that we were having the meeting</v>

03:01:10.720 --> 03:01:14.320
<v Speaker 3>wasn't simply that the dossier came down to the elders.</v>

03:01:14.320 --> 03:01:16.560
<v Speaker 3>It was that Tom had gone round to the rest of my</v>

03:01:16.560 --> 03:01:21.920
<v Speaker 3>congregation, to everyone whom whose support he could elicit, to say, He's</v>

03:01:21.920 --> 03:01:24.560
<v Speaker 3>evil, we need to get him out of here.</v>

03:01:24.560 --> 03:01:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, exactly the same treatment that Corey received.</v>

03:01:28.320 --> 03:01:29.280
<v Speaker 3>He's evil.</v>

03:01:29.280 --> 03:01:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Get him out of here.</v>

03:01:30.480 --> 03:01:35.360
<v Speaker 3>There was not a single notion in Tom's mind of me being</v>

03:01:35.360 --> 03:01:38.480
<v Speaker 3>called to repentance, of any specifics being discussed.</v>

03:01:38.480 --> 03:01:40.880
<v Speaker 3>It was literally damn him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go.</v>

03:01:42.080 --> 03:01:45.520
<v Speaker 3>He hates me so much that he's never come to church again.</v>

03:01:45.520 --> 03:01:47.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to make of that.</v>

03:01:47.040 --> 03:01:48.800
<v Speaker 3>I had the history that I had with him.</v>

03:01:48.800 --> 03:01:52.320
<v Speaker 3>I we we had bumped heads before and we had reconciled as</v>

03:01:52.320 --> 03:01:56.240
<v Speaker 3>Christians. I truly believe that there's demonic influence in his household.</v>

03:01:56.240 --> 03:01:58.640
<v Speaker 3>There's no rational explanation for that.</v>

03:01:58.720 --> 03:02:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's something that I told the president because the president of</v>

03:02:00.960 --> 03:02:03.760
<v Speaker 3>the congregation has been friends with Tom's for forty years.</v>

03:02:03.760 --> 03:02:06.320
<v Speaker 3>He said he considers him to be like family.</v>

03:02:06.320 --> 03:02:10.000
<v Speaker 3>And he had no idea where the hatred came from.</v>

03:02:10.000 --> 03:02:13.360
<v Speaker 3>The reason for disclosing these details is and I told I told</v>

03:02:13.360 --> 03:02:16.720
<v Speaker 3>the president of the congregation, I can tell you why it's happening.</v>

03:02:16.720 --> 03:02:18.400
<v Speaker 3>It's not Tom's spirit.</v>

03:02:18.720 --> 03:02:22.480
<v Speaker 3>This is an animating spirit that's coming from outside of this congregation</v>

03:02:22.480 --> 03:02:23.840
<v Speaker 3>that has possessed him.</v>

03:02:23.840 --> 03:02:28.960
<v Speaker 3>This is evil that is being acted out through men.</v>

03:02:28.960 --> 03:02:31.440
<v Speaker 3>And so it makes no sense when you look at it irrationally.</v>

03:02:31.600 --> 03:02:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Like why and so a lot of people maybe you're listening, and</v>

03:02:34.400 --> 03:02:38.000
<v Speaker 3>we're over three hours in, probably not many people listening left, but</v>

03:02:38.560 --> 03:02:42.720
<v Speaker 3>on paper, when someone says there's a Christian disagreeing with another Christian,</v>

03:02:42.720 --> 03:02:45.600
<v Speaker 3>and then you describe the behavior of one of them.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you believe that the person behaving that way is a Christian,</v>

03:02:48.640 --> 03:02:51.840
<v Speaker 3>you can't reconcile the two because Christians don't act that way.</v>

03:02:51.840 --> 03:02:54.960
<v Speaker 3>What Tom did is not how any Christian would ever act.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I told him, I will be placed in physical physical jeopardy</v>

03:02:58.240 --> 03:02:59.040
<v Speaker 3>if you tell anyone.</v>

03:02:59.040 --> 03:02:59.920
<v Speaker 3>What did he do?</v>

03:02:59.920 --> 03:03:01.920
<v Speaker 3>He immediately told Senate.</v>

03:03:01.920 --> 03:03:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Within ten days, not only had it gone up through corporate in</v>

03:03:05.600 --> 03:03:08.720
<v Speaker 3>St. Louis, but it had come down back down to the very</v>

03:03:08.720 --> 03:03:12.800
<v Speaker 3>enemy pastors who've been hunting and hounding and defaming us for years</v>

03:03:12.800 --> 03:03:13.920
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That is not Christian behavior.</v>

03:03:16.240 --> 03:03:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Which is why when I say this is a cult, that's what</v>

03:03:18.160 --> 03:03:19.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about.</v>

03:03:19.040 --> 03:03:26.080
<v Speaker 3>These intimidation tactics, these isolation tactics, with zero interest in discussing scripture</v>

03:03:26.080 --> 03:03:30.160
<v Speaker 3>or discussing what it means to actually be reconciled to Christ, it's</v>

03:03:30.080 --> 03:03:33.040
<v Speaker 3>not what you ever find in a Christian church, but it's what</v>

03:03:33.040 --> 03:03:35.680
<v Speaker 3>you find in the LCMS.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 2>so the next item in the timeline is back to Ryan, in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this case the eighteenth.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And he was informed that there'd be another meeting no earlier than</v>

03:03:46.800 --> 03:03:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the twenty first, it's not considered urgent.</v>

03:03:49.440 --> 03:03:53.520
<v Speaker 2>However, he was at that time threatened with the minor ban, and</v>

03:03:53.520 --> 03:03:57.680
<v Speaker 2>again we'll refer you to the thread that he has going that</v>

03:03:57.680 --> 03:04:00.720
<v Speaker 2>has more details on what is going on in his case.</v>

03:04:01.520 --> 03:04:05.840
<v Speaker 3>And so on the twenty ninth of April, uh one month ago,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I I guess I forgot to to close out without that that</v>

03:04:08.720 --> 03:04:10.320
<v Speaker 3>meeting left.</v>

03:04:10.320 --> 03:04:12.640
<v Speaker 3>The purpose of the meeting on the part of the president was</v>

03:04:12.640 --> 03:04:15.120
<v Speaker 3>fundamentally to figure out what we do What do we do as</v>

03:04:15.120 --> 03:04:16.240
<v Speaker 3>a congregation?</v>

03:04:16.240 --> 03:04:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Not with me, but what do we do collectively with a situation</v>

03:04:19.920 --> 03:04:24.880
<v Speaker 3>where a now former elder has gone around stirring up controversy, slandering</v>

03:04:24.880 --> 03:04:28.400
<v Speaker 3>another church member, making it so that there's the possibility that other</v>

03:04:28.400 --> 03:04:32.400
<v Speaker 3>people would also leave the church if they even saw me there.</v>

03:04:32.400 --> 03:04:37.200
<v Speaker 3>And I told him something that I had said previously on on</v>

03:04:37.280 --> 03:04:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Stone Choir.</v>

03:04:38.560 --> 03:04:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I had always known when I began this this podcast that I</v>

03:04:41.440 --> 03:04:44.000
<v Speaker 3>may well be doxxed as a result, but by putting my voice</v>

03:04:44.000 --> 03:04:46.560
<v Speaker 3>out there and by saying the same things that I always say</v>

03:04:46.560 --> 03:04:50.720
<v Speaker 3>in person, you know, not hiding in darkness, you could recognize the</v>

03:04:50.720 --> 03:04:53.600
<v Speaker 3>things that I say because there are things I've said to other</v>

03:04:53.600 --> 03:04:55.200
<v Speaker 3>people in the LCMS.</v>

03:04:55.200 --> 03:04:59.680
<v Speaker 3>There's things I've said to pastors in the LCMS face to face.</v>

03:04:59.680 --> 03:05:02.480
<v Speaker 3>So it was very likely at some point someone say, yeah, I</v>

03:05:02.480 --> 03:05:03.520
<v Speaker 3>recognize that guy.</v>

03:05:03.520 --> 03:05:06.560
<v Speaker 3>And whether they would behave as Christians or not is between them</v>

03:05:06.560 --> 03:05:07.120
<v Speaker 3>and God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not worried about that.</v>

03:05:09.200 --> 03:05:14.480
<v Speaker 3>One of the possible outcomes the the president offered was that I</v>

03:05:14.480 --> 03:05:17.680
<v Speaker 3>simply leave, that I I leave the church forever.</v>

03:05:17.680 --> 03:05:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Just stop showing up because that would solve the problem.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I told him that I knew that it's it was possible</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that it might come to that because I would not have on</v>

03:05:27.120 --> 03:05:33.280
<v Speaker 3>my conscience other people actively sinning against me simply by sitting in</v>

03:05:33.280 --> 03:05:36.320
<v Speaker 3>the pews next to me, stewing with hatred.</v>

03:05:36.320 --> 03:05:40.720
<v Speaker 3>And if that would cause them to leave the church, I would</v>

03:05:40.720 --> 03:05:44.960
<v Speaker 3>have to weigh very carefully how I in in good Christian conscience</v>

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<v Speaker 3>could deal with that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, I am being targeted by sin and by evil, but at</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, it is possible to become a stumbling block for</v>

03:05:53.920 --> 03:05:58.000
<v Speaker 3>someone, by that meaning to actually cause them to sin by what</v>

03:05:58.000 --> 03:06:02.720
<v Speaker 3>you're doing, even if what you're doing isn't necessarily per se sin.</v>

03:06:02.720 --> 03:06:06.560
<v Speaker 3>So I told him that was an open question, but this was</v>

03:06:07.040 --> 03:06:08.960
<v Speaker 3>this was just before Monday Thursday.</v>

03:06:08.960 --> 03:06:12.080
<v Speaker 3>We had previously that's Sunday, so that that would have been that</v>

03:06:12.080 --> 03:06:13.840
<v Speaker 3>was a Sunday prior to Easter.</v>

03:06:13.840 --> 03:06:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I said, Well this is Holy Week.</v>

03:06:15.440 --> 03:06:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna stop coming to church during Holy Week.</v>

03:06:18.000 --> 03:06:20.640
<v Speaker 3>I'll show up for for the Good Friday service and then I'll</v>

03:06:20.640 --> 03:06:24.160
<v Speaker 3>come to the Sunday service and we'll take it from there.</v>

03:06:24.160 --> 03:06:27.200
<v Speaker 3>And I told him that since the primary problem that the church</v>

03:06:27.200 --> 03:06:31.840
<v Speaker 3>was dealing with was not whether or not I had said something</v>

03:06:31.840 --> 03:06:34.960
<v Speaker 3>online, but the fact that Tom had stirred people up against me.</v>

03:06:34.960 --> 03:06:37.680
<v Speaker 3>And so I said I will show up, I will be in</v>

03:06:37.680 --> 03:06:42.000
<v Speaker 3>a pews, you come to me and let me know if other</v>

03:06:42.000 --> 03:06:44.720
<v Speaker 3>people are saying they're gonna leave the church if they don't drive</v>

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<v Speaker 3>me out.</v>

03:06:45.520 --> 03:06:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Because if that were the case, that'd be new information that I</v>

03:06:49.040 --> 03:06:50.480
<v Speaker 3>would have to weigh.</v>

03:06:50.480 --> 03:06:52.800
<v Speaker 3>And may maybe I would have to leave.</v>

03:06:52.800 --> 03:06:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I would, as a matter of conscience, have to walk away,</v>

03:06:56.960 --> 03:07:00.400
<v Speaker 3>not for the sake of of abandoning the faith, certainly, but for</v>

03:07:00.400 --> 03:07:03.040
<v Speaker 3>the sake of not being the cause of other people going to</v>

03:07:03.040 --> 03:07:06.800
<v Speaker 3>hell because they were so filled with hatred that they would rather</v>

03:07:06.800 --> 03:07:11.040
<v Speaker 3>separate themselves from Christ than be sitting in the same room as</v>

03:07:11.040 --> 03:07:13.040
<v Speaker 3>me in church.</v>

03:07:13.040 --> 03:07:15.120
<v Speaker 3>So that's basically where that meeting was left.</v>

03:07:15.120 --> 03:07:17.040
<v Speaker 3>And one of the other things that came up was that we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>could because we don't have a pastor, he said that he thought</v>

03:07:21.120 --> 03:07:24.560
<v Speaker 3>it would be helpful for me to speak with a pastor for</v>

03:07:24.560 --> 03:07:27.520
<v Speaker 3>him to just hear out some of the concerns.</v>

03:07:27.840 --> 03:07:30.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, the the dossier, the docs from synod.</v>

03:07:30.960 --> 03:07:35.680
<v Speaker 3>He wanted he he admitted that he wasn't theologically apt to debate</v>

03:07:35.680 --> 03:07:38.720
<v Speaker 3>those things with me and I wasn't gonna try to beat up</v>

03:07:38.720 --> 03:07:40.560
<v Speaker 3>on him because I would win even if I were lying.</v>

03:07:40.560 --> 03:07:42.560
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't fair and we agreed to that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So I agreed that if I would defer to his judgment if</v>

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted me to meet with another pastor.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So on the twenty-ninth, that's what we did.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The twenty-ninth was this was a Saturday.</v>

03:07:53.520 --> 03:07:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Uh I sat down with the president of the congregation as a</v>

03:07:56.720 --> 03:07:59.600
<v Speaker 3>witness. He didn't really say anything, he was just there to kind</v>

03:07:59.600 --> 03:08:02.160
<v Speaker 3>of hear things out and and to be a witness to the</v>

03:08:02.160 --> 03:08:06.320
<v Speaker 3>the events with one of the pastors who has served us uh</v>

03:08:06.480 --> 03:08:08.720
<v Speaker 3>once or twice during our vacancy.</v>

03:08:08.720 --> 03:08:10.160
<v Speaker 3>And so I agreed to show up.</v>

03:08:10.160 --> 03:08:13.040
<v Speaker 3>I I expected an ambush, I expected that it would be as</v>

03:08:13.040 --> 03:08:16.160
<v Speaker 3>bad as everything else that everyone had received.</v>

03:08:16.160 --> 03:08:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I was I was honestly shocked by what happened.</v>

03:08:18.480 --> 03:08:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I had the only Christian meeting of all Of all of this.</v>

03:08:22.400 --> 03:08:26.320
<v Speaker 3>For four hours the pastor asked me whatever he wanted.</v>

03:08:26.320 --> 03:08:28.800
<v Speaker 3>We had a very fruitful back and forth.</v>

03:08:28.800 --> 03:08:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Um by the end of the first hour he said I I</v>

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<v Speaker 3>can tell you have answers for everything and you know, it wasn't</v>

03:08:35.760 --> 03:08:37.120
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't being snarky.</v>

03:08:37.120 --> 03:08:40.320
<v Speaker 3>It was just he could understand that when he had concerns about</v>

03:08:40.320 --> 03:08:44.400
<v Speaker 3>something he had heard about what I said about race or whatever,</v>

03:08:44.400 --> 03:08:47.680
<v Speaker 3>that I wasn't just shooting my mouth off, but that I could</v>

03:08:47.680 --> 03:08:50.000
<v Speaker 3>substantiate my positions.</v>

03:08:50.000 --> 03:08:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Which isn't to say that he agreed with everything.</v>

03:08:52.000 --> 03:08:54.560
<v Speaker 3>he made clear that he didn't agree with everything I said, but</v>

03:08:54.720 --> 03:08:57.440
<v Speaker 3>when we got down to the brass tacks of what does scripture</v>

03:08:57.440 --> 03:08:59.760
<v Speaker 3>say and what is it that I am I am trying to</v>

03:08:59.760 --> 03:09:01.760
<v Speaker 3>accomplish by saying these things.</v>

03:09:01.760 --> 03:09:04.880
<v Speaker 3>By about the end of the third hour, he basically told the</v>

03:09:04.880 --> 03:09:10.000
<v Speaker 3>president that I don't see anything here based on our discussion that</v>

03:09:10.000 --> 03:09:12.480
<v Speaker 3>would lead me to believe that there's something that there's a sin</v>

03:09:12.480 --> 03:09:15.360
<v Speaker 3>to be repented of, that would that would be something certainly for</v>

03:09:15.360 --> 03:09:18.880
<v Speaker 3>excommunication. Which we both agree didn't mean it was not it was</v>

03:09:18.880 --> 03:09:20.320
<v Speaker 3>not a clean bill of health.</v>

03:09:20.320 --> 03:09:23.760
<v Speaker 3>It was not him agreeing with me by any measure, simply saying</v>

03:09:23.920 --> 03:09:26.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't see a reason why this man would be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>put under church discipline for what we have discussed.</v>

03:09:29.200 --> 03:09:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Now, obviously, even a four hour conversation where I had no agenda</v>

03:09:32.720 --> 03:09:35.040
<v Speaker 3>and I was given no agenda, I agreed to that.</v>

03:09:35.040 --> 03:09:37.280
<v Speaker 3>I showed up and he asked me whatever he wanted.</v>

03:09:37.280 --> 03:09:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Every single question he asked, we discussed at length.</v>

03:09:40.000 --> 03:09:41.440
<v Speaker 3>He shared some of his concerns.</v>

03:09:41.440 --> 03:09:45.920
<v Speaker 3>I gave him my explanations for why I believed that what I</v>

03:09:45.920 --> 03:09:48.880
<v Speaker 3>was doing was legitimate in the face of his concerns, and I</v>

03:09:48.880 --> 03:09:51.360
<v Speaker 3>don't mean to suggest by any means that he acquiesced to what</v>

03:09:51.360 --> 03:09:54.720
<v Speaker 3>I said or that he didn't agree with me, but he agreed</v>

03:09:54.720 --> 03:09:58.320
<v Speaker 3>that this was part of a longer conversation, that he would need</v>

03:09:58.320 --> 03:09:59.680
<v Speaker 3>to go do some more research.</v>

03:09:59.680 --> 03:10:02.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure at this point probably Senate has reached out to him</v>

03:10:02.320 --> 03:10:04.880
<v Speaker 3>directly and told him many of the slanderous things.</v>

03:10:04.880 --> 03:10:07.600
<v Speaker 3>I I recounted some of those things to him and but he</v>

03:10:07.600 --> 03:10:11.120
<v Speaker 3>sat down across from me face to face for four hours and</v>

03:10:11.120 --> 03:10:14.320
<v Speaker 3>we demonstrated to each other we are Christians.</v>

03:10:14.320 --> 03:10:16.400
<v Speaker 3>We have disagreements about some things.</v>

03:10:16.400 --> 03:10:17.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not worried about 'em.</v>

03:10:17.600 --> 03:10:20.720
<v Speaker 3>The thing that I I wish that this pastor had been able</v>

03:10:20.720 --> 03:10:23.520
<v Speaker 3>to talk to some of the other men instead of me, because</v>

03:10:23.520 --> 03:10:25.920
<v Speaker 3>the other men were far less deserving.</v>

03:10:25.920 --> 03:10:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, no man deserves the treatment that they received, but if this</v>

03:10:29.360 --> 03:10:32.880
<v Speaker 3>man who spoke to me had been in all these other situations,</v>

03:10:32.880 --> 03:10:35.760
<v Speaker 3>none of them would have happened, because he would have dealt with</v>

03:10:35.760 --> 03:10:38.800
<v Speaker 3>them in a Christian fashion, and none of the outcomes would have</v>

03:10:38.800 --> 03:10:40.240
<v Speaker 3>occurred as they did.</v>

03:10:40.240 --> 03:10:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Even if in the case that ultimately there were some sin to</v>

03:10:44.320 --> 03:10:48.080
<v Speaker 3>be found among us, it would not have transpired as it did</v>

03:10:48.080 --> 03:10:49.200
<v Speaker 3>in these other cases.</v>

03:10:49.200 --> 03:10:52.080
<v Speaker 3>So I'm thankful to God and I'm thankful to that man that</v>

03:10:52.080 --> 03:10:53.440
<v Speaker 3>he is a faithful Christian.</v>

03:10:53.440 --> 03:10:57.280
<v Speaker 3>And so when we see We say things like the Missouri Senate</v>

03:10:57.280 --> 03:10:58.640
<v Speaker 3>is a cult.</v>

03:10:58.640 --> 03:11:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean that in all sincerity.</v>

03:11:01.280 --> 03:11:04.000
<v Speaker 3>That does not mean that there are not Christians in the Missouri</v>

03:11:04.000 --> 03:11:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Senate. This man who met with me was a Christian.</v>

03:11:06.720 --> 03:11:10.240
<v Speaker 3>He was a faithful Lutheran pastor who's doing the best that he</v>

03:11:10.240 --> 03:11:12.240
<v Speaker 3>can. And that's all I can ask of anyone.</v>

03:11:12.240 --> 03:11:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't ask anyone to agree with everything I say.</v>

03:11:15.440 --> 03:11:18.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that what we say on this podcast is worth hearing</v>

03:11:18.640 --> 03:11:20.560
<v Speaker 3>out. It's worth discussion.</v>

03:11:20.560 --> 03:11:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I that's a point I made to him.</v>

03:11:22.320 --> 03:11:24.800
<v Speaker 3>We exist to talk about things that the rest of the church</v>

03:11:24.800 --> 03:11:26.400
<v Speaker 3>isn't talking about.</v>

03:11:26.400 --> 03:11:30.000
<v Speaker 3>And naturally that's going to be in our blind spots as a</v>

03:11:30.000 --> 03:11:34.320
<v Speaker 3>church. So the way that was less was that he was going</v>

03:11:34.320 --> 03:11:35.600
<v Speaker 3>to go and and do some more study.</v>

03:11:36.320 --> 03:11:38.560
<v Speaker 3>I was not placed under discipline.</v>

03:11:38.560 --> 03:11:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Since the first meeting with the elders, I have not communed.</v>

03:11:43.520 --> 03:11:45.360
<v Speaker 3>That was for the sake of others.</v>

03:11:45.360 --> 03:11:47.760
<v Speaker 3>I was not placed under the lesser ban.</v>

03:11:47.760 --> 03:11:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I have voluntarily ceased to commune for the sake that I don't</v>

03:11:52.160 --> 03:11:52.960
<v Speaker 3>want to go up.</v>

03:11:52.960 --> 03:11:55.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who hates me in the congregation.</v>

03:11:55.200 --> 03:11:58.160
<v Speaker 3>I know that there are people who to whom Tom slandered me.</v>

03:11:58.160 --> 03:12:01.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't know their names, because just like Corey and everyone else,</v>

03:12:01.120 --> 03:12:03.760
<v Speaker 3>not one person has ever communicated with me.</v>

03:12:03.760 --> 03:12:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I talked to Tom, he never talked to me again.</v>

03:12:05.760 --> 03:12:08.320
<v Speaker 3>I talked to the second elder, he never talked to me again.</v>

03:12:08.320 --> 03:12:10.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't fault him for it, but like at no point has</v>

03:12:10.560 --> 03:12:14.800
<v Speaker 3>anyone specifically who was harboring something against me come to me.</v>

03:12:14.800 --> 03:12:17.120
<v Speaker 3>No one has ever said, hey, I have a problem with what</v>

03:12:17.120 --> 03:12:17.680
<v Speaker 3>you're saying.</v>

03:12:17.680 --> 03:12:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk this out as Christian brethren.</v>

03:12:20.000 --> 03:12:21.280
<v Speaker 3>It's never happened.</v>

03:12:21.280 --> 03:12:25.360
<v Speaker 3>So I am not communing in my congregation on the occasions when</v>

03:12:25.360 --> 03:12:30.000
<v Speaker 3>we have a pastor to to provide the Eucharist for the sake</v>

03:12:30.000 --> 03:12:32.480
<v Speaker 3>of the other souls in my congregation, because I know that if</v>

03:12:32.480 --> 03:12:35.280
<v Speaker 3>I go up and I'm at the altar rail beside them one,</v>

03:12:35.280 --> 03:12:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I know the word on communion, because some of them hate me.</v>

03:12:39.280 --> 03:12:40.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who.</v>

03:12:40.560 --> 03:12:44.080
<v Speaker 3>But more importantly, I don't want them to see me there and</v>

03:12:44.080 --> 03:12:46.880
<v Speaker 3>to be sitting in the pews and seething or to be in</v>

03:12:47.040 --> 03:12:50.560
<v Speaker 3>beside me at the altar rail, seething with hatred.</v>

03:12:50.560 --> 03:12:54.000
<v Speaker 3>The last thing that I would ever do would be the reason</v>

03:12:54.000 --> 03:12:57.440
<v Speaker 3>that someone would be sinning against the body and blood of Christ</v>

03:12:57.600 --> 03:13:00.400
<v Speaker 3>at the very moment they're receiving it for the forgiveness of sins.</v>

03:13:00.400 --> 03:13:04.000
<v Speaker 3>So for that reason and that reason alone, I have not communed.</v>

03:13:04.000 --> 03:13:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I don't know if I'll ever communicate at a Lutheran church.</v>

03:13:07.200 --> 03:13:09.680
<v Speaker 3>And that's something I couldn't find which episode it was.</v>

03:13:09.680 --> 03:13:12.400
<v Speaker 3>It's something that we mentioned in an episode before any of this</v>

03:13:12.400 --> 03:13:16.400
<v Speaker 3>blew up where I said, even if I'm doxxed, even if I'm</v>

03:13:16.400 --> 03:13:19.680
<v Speaker 3>excommunicated, I'm going to continue to faithfully attend church.</v>

03:13:19.680 --> 03:13:23.040
<v Speaker 3>I said I won't commune because I obviously would make communion with</v>

03:13:23.040 --> 03:13:27.440
<v Speaker 3>a congregation that would excommunicate me, but I will continue to be</v>

03:13:27.440 --> 03:13:29.200
<v Speaker 3>faithful to my vows.</v>

03:13:29.200 --> 03:13:33.360
<v Speaker 3>And the only caveat that I gave in that comment was that</v>

03:13:33.360 --> 03:13:35.760
<v Speaker 3>they would have to get a restraining order to keep me from</v>

03:13:35.760 --> 03:13:37.040
<v Speaker 3>coming to church.</v>

03:13:37.040 --> 03:13:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Within I think a month or so, that's exactly what they did</v>

03:13:39.600 --> 03:13:40.320
<v Speaker 3>to Corey.</v>

03:13:40.320 --> 03:13:42.720
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if anyone from Syn had heard that episode</v>

03:13:42.800 --> 03:13:44.400
<v Speaker 3>and thought, hey, that's a great idea.</v>

03:13:44.400 --> 03:13:47.200
<v Speaker 3>But Satan knew that was the only way to keep Cory from</v>

03:13:47.200 --> 03:13:48.640
<v Speaker 3>his church because he's faithful.</v>

03:13:48.640 --> 03:13:50.400
<v Speaker 3>We're faithful laymen.</v>

03:13:50.400 --> 03:13:53.600
<v Speaker 3>Even if we got something wrong about the large cataclysm, even if</v>

03:13:53.600 --> 03:13:57.440
<v Speaker 3>we got it all wrong, even if we're just complete doofuses.</v>

03:13:57.360 --> 03:14:01.920
<v Speaker 3>and everything we said was wrong, we would receive faithful church discipline</v>

03:14:02.080 --> 03:14:05.360
<v Speaker 3>and we would continue to be faithful in our attendance because we</v>

03:14:05.360 --> 03:14:06.480
<v Speaker 3>obey God.</v>

03:14:06.480 --> 03:14:09.280
<v Speaker 3>We actually care about obeying God.</v>

03:14:09.280 --> 03:14:12.800
<v Speaker 3>And there are precious few men involved in any of this that</v>

03:14:12.800 --> 03:14:14.960
<v Speaker 3>can make that claim with a straight face.</v>

03:14:15.040 --> 03:14:18.720
<v Speaker 2>That was probably the best line from the Antiphadox when they pointed</v>

03:14:18.720 --> 03:14:22.000
<v Speaker 2>out that I attended church every Sunday and sat in the same</v>

03:14:22.000 --> 03:14:26.320
<v Speaker 2>place. Which is it's something I wish that could be said exactly.</v>

03:14:26.320 --> 03:14:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I wish it's something that could be said about every one of</v>

03:14:28.720 --> 03:14:32.560
<v Speaker 2>our listeners and every member of our congregations.</v>

03:14:32.560 --> 03:14:35.760
<v Speaker 2>But at the the opposite end of the spectrum from the experience</v>

03:14:35.760 --> 03:14:39.520
<v Speaker 2>you just described with that last pastor.</v>

03:14:39.520 --> 03:14:44.720
<v Speaker 2>On that Sunday, the next day the thirtieth, Monham returned to the</v>

03:14:44.720 --> 03:14:47.440
<v Speaker 2>pulpit for, I believe, the first time, I didn't check every single</v>

03:14:47.440 --> 03:14:50.960
<v Speaker 2>one of the live streams, but I doubt that in the course</v>

03:14:50.960 --> 03:14:55.360
<v Speaker 2>of his nearly dying he took a break from nearly dying to</v>

03:14:55.360 --> 03:15:01.040
<v Speaker 2>preach. So he returned to the pulpit on the thirtieth, and basically</v>

03:15:01.120 --> 03:15:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the first thing he did was announce my excommunication.</v>

03:15:04.400 --> 03:15:09.760
<v Speaker 2>So apparently, that warning shot from God was insufficient for him.</v>

03:15:10.400 --> 03:15:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I do intend to write him a letter, I'll go ahead and</v>

03:15:13.040 --> 03:15:17.440
<v Speaker 2>state that publicly, and I guess we will see how hardened his</v>

03:15:17.440 --> 03:15:20.720
<v Speaker 2>heart is in this matter.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Moving back to Matt Harrison, the next month, the tenth, Harrison appeared</v>

03:15:27.440 --> 03:15:33.440
<v Speaker 2>at a pastor's conference in Minnesota, and he called us groomers for</v>

03:15:33.440 --> 03:15:38.160
<v Speaker 2>trying to take over the LCMS and for attempting to, again, one</v>

03:15:38.160 --> 03:15:43.120
<v Speaker 2>of their beloved terms, infiltrate the LCMS with white supremacy.</v>

03:15:43.120 --> 03:15:47.360
<v Speaker 2>However, one of the things that is notable from this talk that</v>

03:15:47.360 --> 03:15:51.120
<v Speaker 2>he gave is that he is angry about the number of people</v>

03:15:51.120 --> 03:15:53.920
<v Speaker 2>listening to this podcast.</v>

03:15:53.920 --> 03:15:57.680
<v Speaker 2>He is angry about the number of people listening to this podcast</v>

03:15:58.000 --> 03:16:03.760
<v Speaker 2>because we are having a very real, a concrete effect on the</v>

03:16:03.760 --> 03:16:08.800
<v Speaker 2>LCMS. We are pushing things back towards scripture, and he hates that</v>

03:16:09.280 --> 03:16:12.800
<v Speaker 2>because he hates Scripture, because he hates God.</v>

03:16:12.800 --> 03:16:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Because the God of Scripture, the Lord God, is not Matt Harrison's</v>

03:16:17.280 --> 03:16:18.640
<v Speaker 2>God anymore.</v>

03:16:18.640 --> 03:16:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't doubt for a second that at one point in the</v>

03:16:21.280 --> 03:16:24.800
<v Speaker 2>past, I don't know when the switch happened, but at some point</v>

03:16:24.800 --> 03:16:28.560
<v Speaker 2>in the past, I don't doubt that he was a faithful pastor.</v>

03:16:29.360 --> 03:16:31.120
<v Speaker 2>But he no longer is.</v>

03:16:31.120 --> 03:16:35.360
<v Speaker 2>He has chosen to be something other than a Christian.</v>

03:16:35.360 --> 03:16:38.960
<v Speaker 2>And that is a very real problem because he is pushing his</v>

03:16:38.960 --> 03:16:41.760
<v Speaker 2>false beliefs into the LCMS.</v>

03:16:41.760 --> 03:16:47.200
<v Speaker 2>And the LCMS is one of the last standing conservative traditional true</v>

03:16:47.200 --> 03:16:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Christian churches in the US.</v>

03:16:49.680 --> 03:16:55.600
<v Speaker 2>And if the LCMS falls, it is a catastrophe for the church.</v>

03:16:55.760 --> 03:16:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Which as we said in the episode on Here We stand, this</v>

03:16:59.520 --> 03:17:01.280
<v Speaker 3>is why we're sticking around.</v>

03:17:01.280 --> 03:17:03.200
<v Speaker 3>This is why we started the podcast.</v>

03:17:03.200 --> 03:17:05.600
<v Speaker 3>This is why we talk about these issues.</v>

03:17:05.600 --> 03:17:10.160
<v Speaker 3>We believe the historic Lutheran explanation of the Christian faith.</v>

03:17:10.480 --> 03:17:12.080
<v Speaker 3>We believe that that is faithful.</v>

03:17:12.080 --> 03:17:15.360
<v Speaker 3>What we do not believe is it is held anymore by the</v>

03:17:15.360 --> 03:17:18.080
<v Speaker 3>very men who claim to uphold it.</v>

03:17:18.080 --> 03:17:21.680
<v Speaker 3>And that's what's so fundamentally difficult about all this is that when</v>

03:17:21.680 --> 03:17:24.320
<v Speaker 3>on one hand you have a man wearing a big cross saying</v>

03:17:24.400 --> 03:17:27.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm a Christian, I'm a Lutheran, I'm very confessional, I love the</v>

03:17:27.920 --> 03:17:32.560
<v Speaker 3>liturgy, and on the other hand, he says I hate God, this</v>

03:17:32.560 --> 03:17:35.280
<v Speaker 3>stuff in the Bible is wicked and evil and sinful</v>

03:17:36.400 --> 03:17:41.840
<v Speaker 3>We have been so browbeaten into just assuming at face value the</v>

03:17:41.840 --> 03:17:45.200
<v Speaker 3>claims of people who say they're Christian that we never for a</v>

03:17:45.200 --> 03:17:47.920
<v Speaker 3>second doubt that it might not be true.</v>

03:17:47.920 --> 03:17:50.400
<v Speaker 3>And in some sense, that's the way it should be.</v>

03:17:50.640 --> 03:17:52.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you you should be able to believe if someone comes</v>

03:17:52.800 --> 03:17:55.440
<v Speaker 3>up to you and says, I'm a brother in Christ, the response</v>

03:17:55.440 --> 03:17:56.800
<v Speaker 3>should be, thank God.</v>

03:17:56.800 --> 03:18:00.560
<v Speaker 3>The response should not be for your hackles to go up and</v>

03:18:00.560 --> 03:18:04.320
<v Speaker 3>for you to be doubtful and to try to interrogate them to</v>

03:18:04.320 --> 03:18:06.400
<v Speaker 3>find out what their heresy is.</v>

03:18:06.400 --> 03:18:09.360
<v Speaker 3>That's not how the church should work.</v>

03:18:09.360 --> 03:18:10.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't want that.</v>

03:18:10.720 --> 03:18:14.400
<v Speaker 3>But the only way to prevent that from happening is if men</v>

03:18:15.520 --> 03:18:21.040
<v Speaker 3>are held to account by scriptural standards and where that means exposing</v>

03:18:21.040 --> 03:18:22.800
<v Speaker 3>men who are false prophets.</v>

03:18:22.800 --> 03:18:26.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, when we call Matt Harrison a false prophet and describe</v>

03:18:26.480 --> 03:18:30.240
<v Speaker 3>these men as wolves, that's scriptural language.</v>

03:18:30.480 --> 03:18:32.960
<v Speaker 3>The facts matter.</v>

03:18:32.960 --> 03:18:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Maybe the fact is true or the fact is false, but in</v>

03:18:35.840 --> 03:18:38.880
<v Speaker 3>comparison to scripture, to say that a man is a false prophet,</v>

03:18:38.880 --> 03:18:41.280
<v Speaker 3>that is a scriptural category.</v>

03:18:41.280 --> 03:18:45.360
<v Speaker 3>God says there will be false prophets who will come to you</v>

03:18:45.360 --> 03:18:49.760
<v Speaker 3>in sheep's clothing, that there will be wolves who will try to</v>

03:18:49.760 --> 03:18:55.360
<v Speaker 3>destroy God's church, to devour his sheep, and that if people are</v>

03:18:55.360 --> 03:18:58.000
<v Speaker 3>not on guard they will succeed.</v>

03:18:58.000 --> 03:19:01.600
<v Speaker 3>God doesn't want a single soul snatched from his hand, but when</v>

03:19:01.600 --> 03:19:04.480
<v Speaker 3>people are asleep, it's possible.</v>

03:19:04.480 --> 03:19:08.400
<v Speaker 3>When pastors are derelict in their duties, it's likely.</v>

03:19:08.400 --> 03:19:14.560
<v Speaker 3>When pastors openly embrace falsehood, even by degrees, it's a certainty.</v>

03:19:14.560 --> 03:19:17.120
<v Speaker 3>And so this is what the fight is for.</v>

03:19:17.120 --> 03:19:18.640
<v Speaker 3>It's not about internet drama.</v>

03:19:18.640 --> 03:19:20.080
<v Speaker 3>We're at three and a half hours now.</v>

03:19:20.080 --> 03:19:21.760
<v Speaker 3>This is this is a painfully long episode for you.</v>

03:19:22.000 --> 03:19:25.280
<v Speaker 3>listening. I'm losing my voice just doing it.</v>

03:19:25.360 --> 03:19:29.840
<v Speaker 3>All these details are part of a hideous tapestry of evil.</v>

03:19:29.840 --> 03:19:32.960
<v Speaker 3>And the reason for laying all of them out simultaneously is that</v>

03:19:33.120 --> 03:19:35.760
<v Speaker 3>if you just see some part of it, it's very easy to</v>

03:19:35.760 --> 03:19:39.280
<v Speaker 3>think, oh well, maybe it's just a confusion.</v>

03:19:39.280 --> 03:19:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's just, you know, he said, she said, I I wish</v>

03:19:43.200 --> 03:19:47.360
<v Speaker 3>we could get over these doctrinal disagreements, but we gotta come together</v>

03:19:47.360 --> 03:19:49.200
<v Speaker 3>and try to find common ground.</v>

03:19:49.200 --> 03:19:51.840
<v Speaker 3>I wish that were the case.</v>

03:19:51.840 --> 03:19:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, it isn't.</v>

03:19:53.840 --> 03:19:58.160
<v Speaker 3>And as long as it's not the case, we have to guard</v>

03:19:58.160 --> 03:20:00.880
<v Speaker 3>our souls and we have to guard our brothers in Christ as</v>

03:20:00.880 --> 03:20:02.240
<v Speaker 3>well.</v>

03:20:02.240 --> 03:20:07.200
<v Speaker 2>And so returning to Ryan, we have two more points on Ryan's</v>

03:20:07.200 --> 03:20:08.400
<v Speaker 2>timeline thus far.</v>

03:20:08.400 --> 03:20:11.200
<v Speaker 2>That is obviously still ongoing.</v>

03:20:11.200 --> 03:20:16.960
<v Speaker 2>But But on the past Thursday, the 18th, he put out his</v>

03:20:16.960 --> 03:20:17.920
<v Speaker 2>second Twitter thread.</v>

03:20:17.920 --> 03:20:20.480
<v Speaker 2>We will again link to that, and it gives some of the</v>

03:20:20.480 --> 03:20:25.280
<v Speaker 2>details of what has been happening since the initial thread and the</v>

03:20:25.280 --> 03:20:29.920
<v Speaker 2>publication of the so called annotated large catechism.</v>

03:20:29.920 --> 03:20:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And then on the twenty first, undoubtedly partly in response to that</v>

03:20:33.920 --> 03:20:38.320
<v Speaker 2>second Twitter thread, Ryan was placed under the minor ban, and so</v>

03:20:38.320 --> 03:20:44.240
<v Speaker 2>now they are lining things up to potentially excommunicate him as well.</v>

03:20:44.800 --> 03:20:48.240
<v Speaker 3>And the crucial point to note about that is that it was</v>

03:20:48.240 --> 03:20:52.560
<v Speaker 3>an immediate response to him publicizing the thread where he disclosed the</v>

03:20:52.560 --> 03:20:57.840
<v Speaker 3>abuses he had been subjected to by synod agents.</v>

03:20:57.840 --> 03:21:01.200
<v Speaker 3>They didn't say a word about it when they said you were</v>

03:21:01.200 --> 03:21:03.760
<v Speaker 3>banned from communion, you were an open sin.</v>

03:21:03.760 --> 03:21:06.720
<v Speaker 3>They said you were an open sin and you're banned from communion</v>

03:21:06.800 --> 03:21:09.440
<v Speaker 3>for all the same things that they had talked to him about</v>

03:21:09.440 --> 03:21:10.720
<v Speaker 3>two months earlier.</v>

03:21:10.720 --> 03:21:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Now what's fascinating about that is that two months earlier, when they</v>

03:21:13.920 --> 03:21:17.440
<v Speaker 3>said, Well, we'll have another conversation towards the end of May, beginning</v>

03:21:17.440 --> 03:21:18.240
<v Speaker 3>of June.</v>

03:21:18.240 --> 03:21:19.440
<v Speaker 3>There was no urgency.</v>

03:21:19.440 --> 03:21:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Even though Ryan told them point blank, You haven't told me anything</v>

03:21:22.960 --> 03:21:26.160
<v Speaker 3>here for me to repent of, so I'm not there I'm not</v>

03:21:26.160 --> 03:21:28.320
<v Speaker 3>sure why we would meet again for you to just say the</v>

03:21:28.320 --> 03:21:29.200
<v Speaker 3>same stuff again.</v>

03:21:29.600 --> 03:21:33.040
<v Speaker 3>If you believe that I'm an open sin, let's deal with it</v>

03:21:33.040 --> 03:21:34.640
<v Speaker 3>now. They had no interest now.</v>

03:21:34.640 --> 03:21:36.880
<v Speaker 3>They wanted to kick the can down the road because they thought</v>

03:21:36.880 --> 03:21:39.440
<v Speaker 3>that as long as they kept it secret, they could continue to</v>

03:21:39.440 --> 03:21:40.800
<v Speaker 3>browbeat him.</v>

03:21:40.800 --> 03:21:45.280
<v Speaker 3>And to be explicit, his sins are being friends with Corey and</v>

03:21:45.280 --> 03:21:47.600
<v Speaker 3>I, for speaking to us publicly.</v>

03:21:47.600 --> 03:21:50.720
<v Speaker 3>Never mind the fact that he and I and Cory, we disagree</v>

03:21:50.720 --> 03:21:51.840
<v Speaker 3>on many things.</v>

03:21:51.840 --> 03:21:54.480
<v Speaker 3>We disagree privately all the time about things.</v>

03:21:54.480 --> 03:21:57.760
<v Speaker 3>We don't argue with each other in public because we can argue</v>

03:21:57.760 --> 03:21:58.480
<v Speaker 3>in private.</v>

03:21:58.480 --> 03:22:01.280
<v Speaker 3>That's a better place to have an argument with a friend.</v>

03:22:01.280 --> 03:22:03.280
<v Speaker 3>He certainly doesn't subscribe to everything.</v>

03:22:03.280 --> 03:22:04.480
<v Speaker 3>I think no one does.</v>

03:22:04.480 --> 03:22:07.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that's one of the seminal aspects of this is that</v>

03:22:07.440 --> 03:22:12.880
<v Speaker 3>suddenly the church, the so called church, the Missouri Synod, is imposing</v>

03:22:12.880 --> 03:22:18.160
<v Speaker 3>this notion that if you have public contact with anyone, by necessity</v>

03:22:18.320 --> 03:22:21.120
<v Speaker 3>you must believe everything that they believe and you're guilty of everything</v>

03:22:21.120 --> 03:22:22.320
<v Speaker 3>that they're guilty of?</v>

03:22:22.800 --> 03:22:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Literally no one can survive that.</v>

03:22:24.880 --> 03:22:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny.</v>

03:22:26.400 --> 03:22:30.800
<v Speaker 3>They're pastors who like Hans Feeney went on a stream last week</v>

03:22:30.800 --> 03:22:35.360
<v Speaker 3>with an atheist Jew to condemn Christian nationalism.</v>

03:22:35.360 --> 03:22:39.840
<v Speaker 3>He's platforming her by the standards that Ryan's being held to.</v>

03:22:39.840 --> 03:22:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Ryan is being told that because he tweeted about one of our</v>

03:22:43.920 --> 03:22:48.000
<v Speaker 3>posts, one of our podcast episodes from Stone Choir, and Ash was</v>

03:22:48.000 --> 03:22:51.920
<v Speaker 3>accused of the same thing, that he because he retweeted one of</v>

03:22:51.920 --> 03:22:55.600
<v Speaker 3>our episodes of Stone Choir, he was to be disciplined unless he</v>

03:22:55.600 --> 03:22:57.680
<v Speaker 3>disavowed our entire persons.</v>

03:22:57.680 --> 03:23:01.680
<v Speaker 3>That was a language that was used repeatedly against Ryan, against Ash,</v>

03:23:01.680 --> 03:23:02.720
<v Speaker 3>against Indy.</v>

03:23:02.720 --> 03:23:07.120
<v Speaker 3>You are guilty by association of being friends with those men.</v>

03:23:07.120 --> 03:23:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Why? Because Harrison knows that Stone Choir is a threat to his</v>

03:23:11.120 --> 03:23:13.200
<v Speaker 3>demonic activity.</v>

03:23:13.200 --> 03:23:19.200
<v Speaker 3>The large cataclysm stream was the kickoff because it brought into light</v>

03:23:19.360 --> 03:23:22.720
<v Speaker 3>the evil in Matt Harrison's heart and the things that he's been</v>

03:23:22.720 --> 03:23:23.760
<v Speaker 3>doing in Synod.</v>

03:23:23.760 --> 03:23:24.800
<v Speaker 3>He's not alone.</v>

03:23:24.800 --> 03:23:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Pless, Vogel, Killkreis, all of these men are doing wicked things behind</v>

03:23:30.000 --> 03:23:31.040
<v Speaker 3>the scenes.</v>

03:23:31.040 --> 03:23:32.960
<v Speaker 3>They're spreading this doctrine.</v>

03:23:32.960 --> 03:23:37.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, forget slander, forget the personal destruction, for forget the physical</v>

03:23:37.760 --> 03:23:40.080
<v Speaker 3>threats, forget the defamation.</v>

03:23:40.080 --> 03:23:44.320
<v Speaker 3>The fact that they're spreading doctrine in our church organs will be</v>

03:23:44.320 --> 03:23:49.840
<v Speaker 3>with the Missouri Synod until it becomes healthy enough to repudiate those</v>

03:23:50.000 --> 03:23:52.080
<v Speaker 3>false teachings.</v>

03:23:52.080 --> 03:23:54.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's ever gonna get there.</v>

03:23:54.160 --> 03:23:57.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it will ever get healthy enough to expel the</v>

03:23:57.280 --> 03:24:03.360
<v Speaker 3>foreign organisms that are introduced by the decade of Matt Harrison's damage</v>

03:24:03.360 --> 03:24:05.520
<v Speaker 3>to the Missouri Synod.</v>

03:24:05.920 --> 03:24:08.960
<v Speaker 3>One of the last things that we're going to cover here is</v>

03:24:09.040 --> 03:24:11.920
<v Speaker 3>in a way it's kind of a denouement to the very first</v>

03:24:11.920 --> 03:24:12.720
<v Speaker 3>thing that happened.</v>

03:24:12.720 --> 03:24:18.720
<v Speaker 3>We mentioned Operation Valkyrie and Chris Rosebro registering a blog by that</v>

03:24:18.720 --> 03:24:23.120
<v Speaker 3>domain. About a month and a half ago, roughly, now he started</v>

03:24:23.120 --> 03:24:26.800
<v Speaker 3>posting on Operation Valkyrie along with his son Josh.</v>

03:24:26.800 --> 03:24:29.840
<v Speaker 3>And they were specifically coming after Corey and me.</v>

03:24:29.840 --> 03:24:32.000
<v Speaker 3>They're specifically coming after Ryan.</v>

03:24:32.000 --> 03:24:36.000
<v Speaker 3>They were specifically defending the large catechism.</v>

03:24:36.000 --> 03:24:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Now, Josh has not been active on Twitter, at least not under</v>

03:24:40.800 --> 03:24:41.920
<v Speaker 3>his real name.</v>

03:24:41.920 --> 03:24:44.400
<v Speaker 3>He has he has a name, he has a public account with</v>

03:24:44.880 --> 03:24:48.800
<v Speaker 3>that name that he's doesn't use much until recently.</v>

03:24:48.800 --> 03:24:52.480
<v Speaker 3>However, he has numerous SOC accounts, which are when you when you</v>

03:24:52.480 --> 03:24:56.720
<v Speaker 3>stand up multiple fake accounts with fake usernames, so that you could</v>

03:24:56.720 --> 03:25:00.000
<v Speaker 3>pretend to be a bunch of different people and try to convince</v>

03:25:00.000 --> 03:25:03.360
<v Speaker 3>someone that oh wow, everyone disagrees me when it's actually one guy</v>

03:25:03.360 --> 03:25:04.320
<v Speaker 3>with four counts.</v>

03:25:04.320 --> 03:25:06.080
<v Speaker 3>That's what Josh does.</v>

03:25:06.080 --> 03:25:10.080
<v Speaker 3>So on the twenty second of May, this will pretty much be</v>

03:25:10.080 --> 03:25:11.680
<v Speaker 3>the end of our timeline.</v>

03:25:11.680 --> 03:25:17.040
<v Speaker 3>His Chris Rosebross son, who again, Chris is AALC, he's a longtime</v>

03:25:17.040 --> 03:25:18.800
<v Speaker 3>friend of Todd Wilken.</v>

03:25:18.800 --> 03:25:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Chris is basically the reason, incidentally, that Matt Harrison is president of</v>

03:25:22.480 --> 03:25:23.680
<v Speaker 3>the Missouri Senate.</v>

03:25:23.680 --> 03:25:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Most people don't remember, but Harrison kind of came out of nowhere,</v>

03:25:28.240 --> 03:25:30.880
<v Speaker 3>and part of the reason that he was given the opportunity to</v>

03:25:30.880 --> 03:25:35.600
<v Speaker 3>just barely sneak by a victory was that for a long period</v>

03:25:35.600 --> 03:25:41.920
<v Speaker 3>of time, Chris Rosebro operated a series of blogs that were viciously</v>

03:25:41.920 --> 03:25:46.640
<v Speaker 3>attacking Jerry Kieshnick, a man who I have no fond memories of.</v>

03:25:46.640 --> 03:25:48.320
<v Speaker 3>Jerry was not a good guy.</v>

03:25:48.320 --> 03:25:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Jerry was the exactly the sort of man you don't want in</v>

03:25:51.600 --> 03:25:53.680
<v Speaker 3>the Missouri Senate.</v>

03:25:53.680 --> 03:26:00.240
<v Speaker 3>And so when Kieshnick was devoured by the attacks from Chris, Harrison</v>

03:26:00.240 --> 03:26:03.680
<v Speaker 3>was able to step into the void and to be the confessional</v>

03:26:03.680 --> 03:26:07.200
<v Speaker 3>candidate that the good guys wanted to win.</v>

03:26:07.200 --> 03:26:11.120
<v Speaker 3>And one of the things that happened back then was that Kieshnick</v>

03:26:11.120 --> 03:26:13.920
<v Speaker 3>fired Todd Wilken and canceled issues, etc.</v>

03:26:14.080 --> 03:26:17.280
<v Speaker 3>And then when they tried to keep the name, when Chris Rosebro</v>

03:26:17.440 --> 03:26:21.680
<v Speaker 3>continued to host Todd Wilken on Chris's own infrastructure, which was no</v>

03:26:21.680 --> 03:26:25.360
<v Speaker 3>doubt operated by Josh Rosebro his son, issues etc.</v>

03:26:25.440 --> 03:26:28.480
<v Speaker 3>became one of the touchstones for Harrison's election.</v>

03:26:28.720 --> 03:26:31.440
<v Speaker 3>And one of his fiercest advocates.</v>

03:26:31.440 --> 03:26:36.160
<v Speaker 3>So Wilken Harrison Rosebro are a Troika that go way back, long</v>

03:26:36.160 --> 03:26:37.280
<v Speaker 3>before this.</v>

03:26:37.280 --> 03:26:42.560
<v Speaker 3>So immediately after Chris Rosebro beginning his open attacks, specifically on Corey</v>

03:26:42.640 --> 03:26:47.520
<v Speaker 3>on me, on Stone Choir, he went on Wilkins show to do</v>

03:26:47.520 --> 03:26:50.560
<v Speaker 3>a show about Stone Choir, and we mentioned that a few weeks</v>

03:26:50.560 --> 03:26:52.000
<v Speaker 3>ago after it happened.</v>

03:26:52.000 --> 03:26:54.880
<v Speaker 3>On the twenty second of May, after he'd been blogging on Operation</v>

03:26:55.280 --> 03:27:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Valkyrie for a while, Josh Rosebro retweeted one of his own socks</v>

03:27:01.520 --> 03:27:04.080
<v Speaker 3>tweets that had my docs.</v>

03:27:04.080 --> 03:27:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Again, it was something that was specific personally identifiable information, and the</v>

03:27:09.360 --> 03:27:13.200
<v Speaker 3>comment from him was that we had been sitting on this information</v>

03:27:13.200 --> 03:27:14.480
<v Speaker 3>for some time.</v>

03:27:14.480 --> 03:27:19.120
<v Speaker 3>So Josh made a comment that taking this V card has a</v>

03:27:19.120 --> 03:27:23.360
<v Speaker 3>much different connotation than normal, which if you're not familiar, it's a</v>

03:27:23.360 --> 03:27:27.600
<v Speaker 3>it's a grotesque sexual innuendo that has to do with taking someone's</v>

03:27:27.600 --> 03:27:32.160
<v Speaker 3>virginity. The V card in question is it's a a fake A</v>

03:27:32.160 --> 03:27:35.040
<v Speaker 3>fake p poker card that has a V on it with a</v>

03:27:35.040 --> 03:27:38.960
<v Speaker 3>heart. And I didn't know what the V was until Josh explained</v>

03:27:38.960 --> 03:27:41.760
<v Speaker 3>his own meme that he was quoting from the other account, but</v>

03:27:41.760 --> 03:27:43.360
<v Speaker 3>this is the salient part.</v>

03:27:43.360 --> 03:27:45.840
<v Speaker 3>If you want to play this game, then let this guy know</v>

03:27:45.840 --> 03:27:47.440
<v Speaker 3>we're ready to play this card.</v>

03:27:47.760 --> 03:27:50.320
<v Speaker 3>We've been sitting on this one for a while.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Few things there.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The sock is Josh.</v>

03:27:53.040 --> 03:27:55.200
<v Speaker 3>The sock is Josh Rosebro.</v>

03:27:55.200 --> 03:27:56.880
<v Speaker 3>We is plural.</v>

03:27:56.880 --> 03:27:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Which in this case is not his multiple personalities.</v>

03:27:59.840 --> 03:28:03.280
<v Speaker 3>It refers to Chris, to Josh, to the other men, including Dan</v>

03:28:03.280 --> 03:28:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Ross, Eric Johnson, and Ben Meyer, and whoever the Lutheran commander is,</v>

03:28:09.440 --> 03:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>and others, who were all given my information by the Missouri Senate?</v>

03:28:13.680 --> 03:28:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Chris Rosebow also has my docs.</v>

03:28:16.880 --> 03:28:18.080
<v Speaker 3>And he's what's he been doing?</v>

03:28:18.080 --> 03:28:18.960
<v Speaker 3>He's been sitting on it.</v>

03:28:18.960 --> 03:28:20.560
<v Speaker 3>He's been sitting on it for a while.</v>

03:28:20.560 --> 03:28:22.720
<v Speaker 3>How long has he been sitting on it?</v>

03:28:22.720 --> 03:28:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Since March, early March, when Tom doxed me to Synod.</v>

03:28:25.920 --> 03:28:28.160
<v Speaker 3>But how long has he been preparing to dox me?</v>

03:28:28.160 --> 03:28:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Since February, when he set up his blog before Antifa even set</v>

03:28:32.480 --> 03:28:36.160
<v Speaker 3>up their blog for doxing, because they knew that this concerted effort</v>

03:28:36.160 --> 03:28:41.200
<v Speaker 3>between the LCMS, the ALC and Antifa to target us for personal</v>

03:28:41.200 --> 03:28:44.400
<v Speaker 3>destruction was it's been in the cards.</v>

03:28:44.400 --> 03:28:49.040
<v Speaker 3>And Roseboro's affiliation with Harrison is not incidental.</v>

03:28:49.040 --> 03:28:50.720
<v Speaker 3>It's very deep.</v>

03:28:50.720 --> 03:28:55.840
<v Speaker 3>So the fact that the kerfuffle was kicked off principally by the</v>

03:28:55.840 --> 03:29:00.880
<v Speaker 3>large cataclysm thread from Ryan Turnipseed, and that's the main focus of</v>

03:29:00.880 --> 03:29:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Chris in his blog, can't be missed.</v>

03:29:04.480 --> 03:29:08.080
<v Speaker 3>One of the creepiest things that's happened, I hesitate to even say</v>

03:29:08.080 --> 03:29:11.440
<v Speaker 3>this, but as I said at the beginning, child rape is one</v>

03:29:11.440 --> 03:29:16.160
<v Speaker 3>of the things in the large cataclysm that is being normalized.</v>

03:29:16.160 --> 03:29:23.200
<v Speaker 3>Chris Rosebro and his son Josh have spent weeks screaming about loving</v>

03:29:23.200 --> 03:29:28.400
<v Speaker 3>pedophiles, not worrying about the victims of child rape, but worrying about</v>

03:29:28.400 --> 03:29:30.480
<v Speaker 3>bringing the gospel to child rapists.</v>

03:29:30.480 --> 03:29:35.760
<v Speaker 3>The latest blogs from Chris's Operation Valkyrie are entirely in defense of</v>

03:29:35.760 --> 03:29:39.520
<v Speaker 3>pedophilia, saying, Well, yeah, it's a sin, but we gotta love these</v>

03:29:39.520 --> 03:29:42.880
<v Speaker 3>people, we can't condemn them, we can't have the law for them.</v>

03:29:42.880 --> 03:29:45.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that the Ugandan solution is the appropriate solution.</v>

03:29:45.760 --> 03:29:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I think that as a matter of law, that would work.</v>

03:29:48.720 --> 03:29:50.400
<v Speaker 3>I think that would work really well.</v>

03:29:50.400 --> 03:29:54.480
<v Speaker 3>And as Corey mentioned earlier, the Supreme Court made that impossible.</v>

03:29:54.480 --> 03:29:57.520
<v Speaker 3>These guys love when the new religion with the new Supreme Court</v>

03:29:57.840 --> 03:30:02.640
<v Speaker 3>rulings takes away all the legal barriers to dealing God's justice to</v>

03:30:02.640 --> 03:30:03.920
<v Speaker 3>evil men.</v>

03:30:03.920 --> 03:30:05.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not for the church to ever do.</v>

03:30:05.520 --> 03:30:08.960
<v Speaker 3>The church doesn't meet out justice unless it's the Lutheran Church Missouri</v>

03:30:09.360 --> 03:30:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Synod, in which case you call the cops you threaten people of</v>

03:30:12.400 --> 03:30:13.680
<v Speaker 3>physical violence.</v>

03:30:13.680 --> 03:30:16.000
<v Speaker 3>The church's job is to worry about souls.</v>

03:30:16.000 --> 03:30:18.560
<v Speaker 3>The state's job is to worry about bodies.</v>

03:30:18.560 --> 03:30:20.720
<v Speaker 3>We are free to talk about both.</v>

03:30:20.720 --> 03:30:24.400
<v Speaker 3>We are not pastors who are limited to talking about the kingdom</v>

03:30:24.400 --> 03:30:25.600
<v Speaker 3>of the right hand.</v>

03:30:25.600 --> 03:30:29.280
<v Speaker 3>We are free as Christians to talk about politics, talk about talk</v>

03:30:29.280 --> 03:30:32.640
<v Speaker 3>about religion, to talk about their intersection, and to talk about how</v>

03:30:32.640 --> 03:30:36.240
<v Speaker 3>faithful Christians interact with all of them at the same time.</v>

03:30:36.240 --> 03:30:40.400
<v Speaker 3>And so this hysteria that has arisen from a very queer corner</v>

03:30:40.400 --> 03:30:44.800
<v Speaker 3>of the Lutheran sphere calls into question a lot of what's going</v>

03:30:44.800 --> 03:30:46.640
<v Speaker 3>on behind the scenes.</v>

03:30:46.640 --> 03:30:50.880
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot more to what's going on than we have made</v>

03:30:50.880 --> 03:30:51.680
<v Speaker 3>public here.</v>

03:30:51.680 --> 03:30:53.680
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot more going on.</v>

03:30:53.680 --> 03:30:58.320
<v Speaker 3>And they're revealing much of it by their own screaming.</v>

03:30:58.320 --> 03:31:02.240
<v Speaker 3>When we threw a rock into a pack of dogs and one</v>

03:31:02.240 --> 03:31:08.000
<v Speaker 3>came out yelping about pedophilia, we know which rock landed.</v>

03:31:08.000 --> 03:31:11.680
<v Speaker 3>It was the one slide that I made that highlighted that when</v>

03:31:11.760 --> 03:31:15.120
<v Speaker 3>the large cataclysm says a pedophilia is a speck in your neighbor's</v>

03:31:15.120 --> 03:31:19.440
<v Speaker 3>eye, and we said that's vile, that's repugnant to Christ, that is</v>

03:31:19.440 --> 03:31:22.720
<v Speaker 3>animating m a much of the attacks against us.</v>

03:31:22.720 --> 03:31:26.160
<v Speaker 3>So Stone Choir is serving God's purposes.</v>

03:31:26.160 --> 03:31:28.880
<v Speaker 3>We will continue to do this as long as we draw breath.</v>

03:31:28.880 --> 03:31:31.280
<v Speaker 3>We will continue to be faithful in our churches as long as</v>

03:31:31.280 --> 03:31:34.320
<v Speaker 3>we draw breath, because our d we owe our duty to God.</v>

03:31:34.320 --> 03:31:37.840
<v Speaker 3>We don't owe it to any church, no nor any church body,</v>

03:31:37.840 --> 03:31:42.080
<v Speaker 3>certainly not one that seeks our physical destruction.</v>

03:31:42.160 --> 03:31:42.240
So

03:31:42.320 --> 03:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>for those who are still listening, and particularly if you're Lutheran, you</v>

03:31:46.560 --> 03:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>may be wondering what you can do.</v>

03:31:48.720 --> 03:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Because we've detailed a very serious ongoing problem or set of problems</v>

03:31:54.800 --> 03:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>in the LCMS.</v>

03:31:57.680 --> 03:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>But what can you do about that?</v>

03:32:00.000 --> 03:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>And the answer to that is the same as what we would</v>

03:32:03.600 --> 03:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>tell you on the political side in some cases.</v>

03:32:06.640 --> 03:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>You're going to act locally.</v>

03:32:08.640 --> 03:32:11.600
<v Speaker 2>That's how you can address this problem.</v>

03:32:11.600 --> 03:32:15.280
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm going to read a document that we'll include in</v>

03:32:15.280 --> 03:32:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the show notes as well, giving some information, some suggestions about what</v>

03:32:20.000 --> 03:32:25.040
<v Speaker 2>can be done to start addressing these problems in the LCMS and</v>

03:32:25.280 --> 03:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>eventually in the larger church.</v>

03:32:29.280 --> 03:32:33.120
<v Speaker 2>If a member of an LCMS congregation takes strong exception to the</v>

03:32:33.120 --> 03:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>conduct or direction of Synod, one of the least used but potentially</v>

03:32:37.360 --> 03:32:42.480
<v Speaker 2>most effective means of feedback is withdrawal of financial support to Synod.</v>

03:32:42.480 --> 03:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>While calls, letters, and resolutions are all good and useful, there are</v>

03:32:46.720 --> 03:32:50.320
<v Speaker 2>times when each of those will fail to elicit the response that</v>

03:32:50.320 --> 03:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>turning off the cash will.</v>

03:32:52.800 --> 03:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>A portion of every congregation's budget is allocated to at large spending.</v>

03:32:58.480 --> 03:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>This is typically money dispersed through the district for synod programs, or</v>

03:33:03.200 --> 03:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>further upstream to the synod level.</v>

03:33:06.080 --> 03:33:11.520
<v Speaker 2>These funds are generally unrestricted, made available to district and synod for</v>

03:33:11.520 --> 03:33:13.840
<v Speaker 2>any purpose they see fit.</v>

03:33:13.840 --> 03:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>This usually amounts to a few percent of the congregation's total budget.</v>

03:33:18.400 --> 03:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>All of the other expenses we typically think of in a congregation</v>

03:33:22.080 --> 03:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>fall under the at home budget.</v>

03:33:24.880 --> 03:33:30.080
<v Speaker 2>We as individual Christians and collectively in our congregations have every right</v>

03:33:30.080 --> 03:33:34.880
<v Speaker 2>to withhold our tithes from teachings or conduct that do not reflect</v>

03:33:34.880 --> 03:33:35.760
<v Speaker 2>our faith.</v>

03:33:36.000 --> 03:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Beyond the local level, the pocketbook is by far the loudest voice</v>

03:33:40.160 --> 03:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>we have.</v>

03:33:41.040 --> 03:33:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It is one that will not be ignored, and the net effect</v>

03:33:44.480 --> 03:33:47.520
<v Speaker 2>at the local level is a positive.</v>

03:33:47.520 --> 03:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>The chief objections will be that we are obligated to blindly give</v>

03:33:51.680 --> 03:33:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Synod money, and that failing to do so will impact all manner</v>

03:33:55.120 --> 03:33:59.520
<v Speaker 2>of worthy programs unrelated to whichever corner of Synod has drawn our</v>

03:33:59.520 --> 03:34:04.560
<v Speaker 2>ire. To the first, the response is simple to whatever extent we</v>

03:34:04.560 --> 03:34:08.560
<v Speaker 2>are obligated to send the Synod money, they have an infinitely greater</v>

03:34:08.560 --> 03:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>duty to use it to serve God faithfully.</v>

03:34:11.200 --> 03:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>To the second, disrupting all programs is precisely the necessary outcome.</v>

03:34:17.200 --> 03:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>If the Senate is able to continue all its conduct unimpeded, then</v>

03:34:21.520 --> 03:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>we have accomplished nothing.</v>

03:34:23.760 --> 03:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>They have sufficient, unrestricted funds to move them around if we continue</v>

03:34:28.480 --> 03:34:31.680
<v Speaker 2>remitting, but earmark the programs we like.</v>

03:34:31.680 --> 03:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Other than a minor paper shuffle, it would have no impact.</v>

03:34:36.560 --> 03:34:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Dropping remittances to zero forces whatever issue has necessitated this very serious</v>

03:34:42.800 --> 03:34:48.240
<v Speaker 2>measure. And so there are two steps two stages stage one.</v>

03:34:48.240 --> 03:34:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Mark all donations at home, and communicate with your church treasurer to</v>

03:34:53.360 --> 03:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>ensure it is understood that these funds are restricted from remittance to</v>

03:34:58.480 --> 03:35:00.080
<v Speaker 2>district or synod.</v>

03:35:00.080 --> 03:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Stage 2.</v>

03:35:01.520 --> 03:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Discuss your concerns with others in your congregation.</v>

03:35:04.960 --> 03:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>If the congregation has the same problems with LCMS conduct, discuss terminating</v>

03:35:10.480 --> 03:35:15.280
<v Speaker 2>all remittances until such time as those concerns are addressed.</v>

03:35:15.600 --> 03:35:18.880
<v Speaker 3>When we discussed this with a man who has previously been a</v>

03:35:18.880 --> 03:35:22.000
<v Speaker 3>church treasurer, he said your treasurer's gonna hate you.</v>

03:35:22.000 --> 03:35:24.560
<v Speaker 3>He's gonna come to you and say, don't do this.</v>

03:35:24.560 --> 03:35:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Good. That means you're gonna have a conversation with someone and say,</v>

03:35:28.480 --> 03:35:30.640
<v Speaker 3>hey, let me tell you what's going on.</v>

03:35:30.640 --> 03:35:32.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm concerned about this.</v>

03:35:32.080 --> 03:35:35.520
<v Speaker 3>I am very unhappy with what is going on.</v>

03:35:35.520 --> 03:35:39.440
<v Speaker 3>I will not in good conscience permit my dollars to be spent</v>

03:35:39.440 --> 03:35:41.520
<v Speaker 3>on things that I have a problem with.</v>

03:35:41.520 --> 03:35:45.200
<v Speaker 3>And to be explicit, we're not saying don't fund Synod because you</v>

03:35:45.520 --> 03:35:46.720
<v Speaker 3>like Stone Choir.</v>

03:35:46.720 --> 03:35:48.560
<v Speaker 3>It's not us versus them.</v>

03:35:48.560 --> 03:35:53.120
<v Speaker 3>This is about their conduct against Christian laymen, period.</v>

03:35:53.120 --> 03:35:58.000
<v Speaker 3>If I were not a victim of their defamation and their attacks</v>

03:35:58.000 --> 03:36:01.680
<v Speaker 3>and their threats threats, I would still be as every bit as</v>

03:36:01.680 --> 03:36:04.000
<v Speaker 3>incensed as I am at this conduct.</v>

03:36:04.000 --> 03:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>It's part of the reason that we're describing this.</v>

03:36:06.400 --> 03:36:08.080
<v Speaker 3>This is not self-defense.</v>

03:36:08.080 --> 03:36:10.560
<v Speaker 3>The people who believe me were gonna believe me anyway, and the</v>

03:36:10.560 --> 03:36:13.280
<v Speaker 3>people who hate me won't believe anything I say.</v>

03:36:13.280 --> 03:36:16.880
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not we're not gaining any ground by sharing this for</v>

03:36:16.880 --> 03:36:17.840
<v Speaker 3>our own sake.</v>

03:36:17.840 --> 03:36:21.360
<v Speaker 3>What we're doing is making the entire timeline clear so that all</v>

03:36:21.360 --> 03:36:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Christians in the LCMS can know this is what your cynic dollars</v>

03:36:25.360 --> 03:36:26.640
<v Speaker 3>are being spent for.</v>

03:36:26.640 --> 03:36:31.760
<v Speaker 3>There were LCMS employees on the payroll, meaning your dollars were being</v>

03:36:31.760 --> 03:36:36.080
<v Speaker 3>spent for them to dox us, for them to call the FBI</v>

03:36:36.080 --> 03:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>on a layman.</v>

03:36:37.600 --> 03:36:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you don't agree with anything we say.</v>

03:36:40.080 --> 03:36:43.200
<v Speaker 3>If you think that if a Christian can call the FBI on</v>

03:36:43.200 --> 03:36:46.400
<v Speaker 3>another Christian 'cause he don't doesn't like what he says, that's your</v>

03:36:46.400 --> 03:36:50.000
<v Speaker 3>business. But if you have a problem with it, this is one</v>

03:36:50.000 --> 03:36:52.240
<v Speaker 3>of the most effective things you can do.</v>

03:36:52.240 --> 03:36:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's going to cause some disruption to your congregation.</v>

03:36:55.840 --> 03:36:56.720
<v Speaker 3>That's the point.</v>

03:36:56.720 --> 03:36:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Your treasurer's going to be annoyed.</v>

03:36:58.480 --> 03:37:01.600
<v Speaker 3>And we mentioned talk to him or her.</v>

03:37:01.600 --> 03:37:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Figure out what the most appropriate way to do it is so</v>

03:37:04.320 --> 03:37:07.840
<v Speaker 3>that you can ensure that it's easy for your local congregation and</v>

03:37:07.840 --> 03:37:12.160
<v Speaker 3>yet deny Synod any money at either the district or the synonical</v>

03:37:12.240 --> 03:37:15.520
<v Speaker 3>level. Because to be clear, every DP who is given these marching</v>

03:37:15.520 --> 03:37:17.920
<v Speaker 3>orders followed them to a T.</v>

03:37:17.920 --> 03:37:20.080
<v Speaker 3>The district and it was random.</v>

03:37:20.080 --> 03:37:23.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not like Oklahoma is like the super lib part of the</v>

03:37:23.520 --> 03:37:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Senate. It turns out it's pretty bad, but frankly, I'm not sure</v>

03:37:27.360 --> 03:37:28.720
<v Speaker 3>where the good places are.</v>

03:37:28.960 --> 03:37:30.960
<v Speaker 3>It's awfully hard to find.</v>

03:37:30.960 --> 03:37:35.200
<v Speaker 3>So it's not like we just stumbled over a coven in Oklahoma.</v>

03:37:35.200 --> 03:37:38.240
<v Speaker 3>The simple fact is the Senate is in this bad of shape.</v>

03:37:38.240 --> 03:37:42.640
<v Speaker 3>And until such time as we can rectify those spiritual problems, our</v>

03:37:42.640 --> 03:37:44.960
<v Speaker 3>voices can best be heard with our dollars.</v>

03:37:44.960 --> 03:37:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Now you individually cutting off your money, we're not saying reduce your</v>

03:37:48.800 --> 03:37:52.880
<v Speaker 3>donation. We're suggesting if you think that there are problems here that</v>

03:37:52.880 --> 03:37:55.840
<v Speaker 3>you have with what Synod is doing, maybe it's this, maybe it's</v>

03:37:55.840 --> 03:38:00.480
<v Speaker 3>something else, resolution are not enough, emails are not enough.</v>

03:38:00.480 --> 03:38:04.000
<v Speaker 3>When you cut off personally, you're giving more money to your local</v>

03:38:04.000 --> 03:38:08.320
<v Speaker 3>congregation. You're not cheating God, which is one of the the false</v>

03:38:08.400 --> 03:38:10.160
<v Speaker 3>responses they would have.</v>

03:38:10.160 --> 03:38:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Are you cutting off programs you may like?</v>

03:38:13.040 --> 03:38:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes. And when synod begins being Christian again, the money can come</v>

03:38:18.480 --> 03:38:22.640
<v Speaker 3>back. But until that time, this is probably the single most effective</v>

03:38:22.640 --> 03:38:26.960
<v Speaker 3>thing we can do as individuals because your conscience will be clean,</v>

03:38:26.960 --> 03:38:30.320
<v Speaker 3>that you are not funding these attacks, you will have the opportunity</v>

03:38:30.320 --> 03:38:33.120
<v Speaker 3>to start the conversation in your in your congregation.</v>

03:38:33.120 --> 03:38:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you're alone.</v>

03:38:34.240 --> 03:38:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Maybe the only one who cares and everyone's gonna think you're a</v>

03:38:36.640 --> 03:38:39.360
<v Speaker 3>nutcase. Welcome to the club.</v>

03:38:39.360 --> 03:38:40.480
<v Speaker 3>What can I say?</v>

03:38:40.480 --> 03:38:44.000
<v Speaker 3>That's increasingly what the Christian life is gonna be like.</v>

03:38:44.000 --> 03:38:47.040
<v Speaker 3>If however there are other people who share some of your concerns</v>

03:38:47.040 --> 03:38:50.960
<v Speaker 3>about some of these things, Then perhaps as a congregation you would</v>

03:38:50.960 --> 03:38:53.120
<v Speaker 3>decide that this is the appropriate measure to take.</v>

03:38:53.120 --> 03:38:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying anyone should do it.</v>

03:38:55.360 --> 03:38:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Personally, I would like to see it happen, but congregations like, no</v>

03:38:58.880 --> 03:38:59.920
<v Speaker 3>way, I think that's wild.</v>

03:38:59.920 --> 03:39:01.200
<v Speaker 3>I think that's inappropriate.</v>

03:39:01.200 --> 03:39:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay. I don't think you're going to hell.</v>

03:39:03.600 --> 03:39:07.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't I think that there are reasons that someone could articulate</v>

03:39:07.280 --> 03:39:11.840
<v Speaker 3>that would outweigh their misunderstanding of the situation.</v>

03:39:11.840 --> 03:39:14.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't think if someone believes everything that we've just laid out,</v>

03:39:14.880 --> 03:39:20.720
<v Speaker 3>that believes we're telling the truth about these verifiable, provable, witnessed facts.</v>

03:39:20.720 --> 03:39:24.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't think you could continue you could continue funding synod, but</v>

03:39:24.160 --> 03:39:25.600
<v Speaker 3>if you disagree, that's fine.</v>

03:39:25.600 --> 03:39:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't that's between you and God and your conscience.</v>

03:39:28.880 --> 03:39:32.240
<v Speaker 3>This is one way that we can say, you know what, there's</v>

03:39:32.160 --> 03:39:35.200
<v Speaker 3>a lot more people upset about this than just two jerks with</v>

03:39:35.200 --> 03:39:38.480
<v Speaker 3>a microphone and a few jerks on Twitter.</v>

03:39:38.800 --> 03:39:43.600
<v Speaker 3>The fate of the Christian Church in North America hinges on whether</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Christians can be faithful in the sort in the face of these</v>

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<v Speaker 3>sorts of attacks.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily our personal situation, but in general, as this plays out</v>

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<v Speaker 3>over and over in multiple denominations, there's no question that there's an</v>

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<v Speaker 3>animating intelligence behind the attacks.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And as Corey said, there's also an animating intelligence on this side.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>God speaks to us through scripture.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the fact that Stone Choir is mostly a Bible study podcast,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that's why Synod is angry.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're pointing the parts of Scripture that they condemn.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're pointing to the parts of Scripture that have been forgotten for</v>

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<v Speaker 3>so long that when Matt Harrison condemns them in public, no one</v>

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<v Speaker 3>even recognized it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The things that he said that condemns God didn't raise any questions</v>

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<v Speaker 3>from people.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They thought, oh wow, Nazis, all right, that's scary, that's really bad.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody thought, hey, this guy just blasphemed God almighty.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's the degree of ignorance that exists in the Missouri Senate.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I want to see fixed.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And it's gonna happen only when we cut these men off and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we drive them out.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They do not belong in the church.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They were a threat to souls.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They are a threat to lives.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're a threat to everything that Satan is a threat to, because</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they are acting on behalf of their Lord.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Their Lord is Satan, and he will rule in hell with eternity</v>

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<v Speaker 3>with them.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We are going to do what God says.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We are slaves to Christ and we'll continue to obey him.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And the angrier people get at that, frankly at this point, that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>just tells me we're over target.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Even if at some point in the past I might have wondered</v>

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<v Speaker 3>somebody's mad maybe we should do something differently now when people become</v>

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<v Speaker 3>furious and set up a new blog and a new Twitter account</v>

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<v Speaker 3>just to attack us means we nailed it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It means that we threw that the rock into the pack of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>dogs, and the one that comes out yelping is the one we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>were aiming for.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We don't need to see where the arrow is going, where the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>stone is going, because God is guiding it to its target.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This has been a four-hour episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>God bless you if you made all the way through.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure even the truck drivers are tired at this point, but</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we won't be doing another episode like this.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This was just a one-time thing to lay out the entire timeline</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of what happened.</v>

03:41:46.960 --> 03:41:50.320
<v Speaker 3>This is our permanent record of everything that not everything.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Portions of what we bore witness to.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Everything that we can prove.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So again, if you're in synod, if you're one of these flying</v>

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<v Speaker 3>monkeys, if you think that we've said everything that we know, everything</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that we could prove, well I I hope you don't behave in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>a manner that assumes that because it's not the case.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're saying what's necessary to lay out for layman how to fight</v>

03:42:11.440 --> 03:42:13.840
<v Speaker 3>the evil in their church, to know that there's evil there and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that something needs to be done.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's up to everyone else what you do.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Please pray.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Pray for us.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Pray for Harrison.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Pray for these evil men.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>These men are evil and they still need our prayers.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I I didn't understand the passages in scripture about hardening hearts until</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this began.</v>

03:42:31.200 --> 03:42:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I understand it now, as I've watched it in real time.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But even then all we can do is pray for God to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>deal with our enemies justly and fairly and mercifully, because that's what</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we would hope for ourselves</v>

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I

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<v Speaker 2>am going to add just a little bit of emphasis or nuance,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>which I usually don't necessarily do, but in this case I will,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to the comments about whether or not you should withhold your tithes.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that you should.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that you are morally bound to do so if</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you believe the things we have just said in this episode.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you believe the things that we have said in this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>episode, then you know for a fact that your tithes, if they</v>

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<v Speaker 2>go to synod, if they go to the district, they are going</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to be used to push evil.</v>

03:43:20.880 --> 03:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>They are going to be used to fund the salaries of evil</v>

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<v Speaker 2>men. They are going to promote evil.</v>

03:43:25.920 --> 03:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>They are going to tear down the Synod, in fact.</v>

03:43:28.480 --> 03:43:30.400
<v Speaker 2>They are going to harm the Church.</v>

03:43:30.400 --> 03:43:35.360
<v Speaker 2>And so you are conscience bound to withhold that tithe from men</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you know will use it for evil.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now as was mentioned, we aren't saying it's us versus Synod, that's</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not the point here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The point is to use your tithes to advance the mission of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the church, to serve your neighbor, to serve your congregation, to do</v>

03:43:52.080 --> 03:43:55.760
<v Speaker 2>all these things that are supposed to be done with your tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because as a Lutheran, when you hear about a tithe, you of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>course should be thinking about Luther's comment that God doesn't need your</v>

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<v Speaker 2>good works.</v>

03:44:05.040 --> 03:44:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Because God also doesn't need your money.</v>

03:44:07.200 --> 03:44:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Your money is worth nothing to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There is no amount of gold you could amass that would mean</v>

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<v Speaker 2>anything to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God didn't have them decorate the temple with gold everywhere inside because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>gold is valuable to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Your neighbor needs your good works.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Your neighbor needs what can be bought with your tithe.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so if it were just us versus synod, we would tell</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you, well, whatever you would have given to Synod, write that check</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to us.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And we're not telling you that.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We're telling you give that money to your local congregation, or do</v>

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<v Speaker 2>any of the things that you would like Synod to be doing</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that Synod is not doing and do them yourself.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You can pass out a small catechism, you can buy a case</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of them and pass them out.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You can probably find them fairly cheap if they're used, and they're</v>

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to be lightly used, which is a problem to discuss</v>

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<v Speaker 2>another day.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But we're not telling you just withhold your money.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We're telling you ensure that it is directed where it will do</v>

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<v Speaker 2>good, where it will do what God intends for it to do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We'll end this episode with a short reading from scripture just reading</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the words of Christ from Luke twelve.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>will not be known.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the light, and whatever you have whispered in private rooms shall be</v>

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<v Speaker 2>proclaimed on the house tops.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>body, and after that have nothing more they can do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But I will warn you whom to fear fear him who, after</v>

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<v Speaker 2>he has killed, has authority to cast into hell.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I tell you, fear him.</v>