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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I am Corey J.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Mahler.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Wo.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So the question that's been raging lately on the uh Lutheran Twitter</v>

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<v Speaker 3>sphere um has been can girls teach?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh it's an interesting question because it's it's not a Lutheran question,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it's one that's been</v>

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<v Speaker 3>really facing the whole church for how far back you go, centuries.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Um, but certainly in the last fifty years, can girls teach has</v>

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<v Speaker 3>been in the forefront of what's happening in our Christian churches.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And And the reason we're going to talk about it today is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that in part that's not actually the right form of the question.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The right form of the question is may girls teach.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh but before we can answer that, we have to answer a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>few predicate questions to define our terms.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Uh the first is what is a girl, what is a woman?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Where did they come from?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What are they for?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And then once we understand that we can add address the question,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>what is teaching?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So uh Corey, what is a girl?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a girl is defined in part you could define a girl</v>

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<v Speaker 2>as in contrast to a man.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And what a girl is, is a helpmeat.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Woman is made for man, not man for woman, as scripture very</v>

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<v Speaker 2>clearly states.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so woman is made</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in Genesis one.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We have of course we have the uh more elaborate detail later</v>

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<v Speaker 2>on in Genesis, but we have in Genesis one twenty seven.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So God created man in his own image, in the image of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God he created them, male and female, he created them, and of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>course we'll get to some of the the grammar and such there</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit later, but</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the whole purpose of a girl is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to help her husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Before she has a husband, it's to help her family.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But that is the purpose of a girl.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is not to be an equal or a competitor to man,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>which is Which is sort of what we've allowed girls to become</v>

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<v Speaker 2>today. So we have in Genesis 127, so God created man in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>his own image.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In the image of God he created him.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Male and female, he created them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now the question of course arises here is woman is the female</v>

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<v Speaker 2>made in the image of God?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And we have other places in scripture that will shed light on</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this, because man is the glory of God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man is made in the image of God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Woman is the glory of man.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a difference there.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Is woman ultimately made in the image of God?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in a transitive sense, because she's the image and glory of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>man who is the image and glory of God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And we have that here, in Genesis one twenty seven, because if</v>

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<v Speaker 2>you actually look at</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis one twenty seven, what is said there?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God created man in his own image, and that is, of course,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>masculine, singular, man.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In the image of God, he created him, and again, masculine, singular,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and then and the ESV actually does a good job here because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>there's a semicolon after him, and then male and female he created</v>

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<v Speaker 2>them. Related matter, not the exact same thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There is a distinction even here, in the very beginning, between man</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and woman and the creation of man and woman.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So what is woman made to do?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She is made to be a helpmeet, she is made to help</v>

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<v Speaker 2>her husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And there's actually some useful language from Luther here in his actually</v>

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<v Speaker 2>volume one in the American edition, because the first eight volumes are</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Luther's commentary on Genesis.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So for Luther's commentary here for Genesis 127, I'll skip the uh</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the first couple paragraphs here.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They're just about similitude and image and comment on the sentences.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But male and female he created them.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a quote from Luther.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>In order not to give the impression that he was excluding the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>woman, from all the glory of the future life, Moses includes each</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the two sexes, for the woman appears to be a somewhat</v>

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<v Speaker 2>different being from the man, having different members and a much weaker</v>

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<v Speaker 2>nature. Although Eve was a most extraordinary creature, similar to Adam so</v>

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<v Speaker 2>far as the image of God is concerned, that is, in justice,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>wisdom, and happiness, she was nevertheless a woman.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For as the sun is more excellent than the moon, although the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>moon too is a very excellent body, so the woman, although she</v>

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<v Speaker 2>was a most beautiful work of God, nevertheless was not the equal</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the male in glory and prestige.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so Luther properly recognizes that even in the garden, before the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>fall, in the state of perfection, woman is Woman is not equal</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to man.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Men and women are different.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The girl was made for the man, not vice versa.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I think you mentioned early the the transitive property.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure there are people listening who think that we are</v>

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<v Speaker 3>denying that women are made in the image of God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not the point, but it's a it's a subtle distinction</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that relies on the sort of reason that really isn't taught anymore</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that people don't understand, don't think in those terms.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So when you say similar to and you say transitive property, what</v>

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<v Speaker 3>do you actually saying?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What is the A to B and B to C doing in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this this scenario?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The point that we are attempting to make is that if you</v>

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<v Speaker 2>say that two things are entirely equal, of course, well, that gets</v>

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<v Speaker 2>into the laws of logic then because two things that can't be</v>

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<v Speaker 2>distinguished are, of course, the same thing.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But</v>

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<v Speaker 2>if man is made in the image of God, to be made</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in the image of God</v>

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<v Speaker 2>means something.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It does not mean to be equal to God, it does not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>mean to be identical to God, because of course it cannot mean</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that, because we are finite, God is infinite.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so if we are created in the image of God, we</v>

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<v Speaker 2>are a lesser creature than God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Woman is made in the image of man.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Woman is a lesser creature than man, still made in the image</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of God, still partakes of if she is Christian, salvation and the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>eternal life, the the good version of the eternal life, you do</v>

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<v Speaker 2>get the other one if you're not a Christian, but she is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a lesser creature, but still made in the image of God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There's that difference there, and it's important to note that difference.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>What is an what is an image?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You know, in the in the internet age we just think of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>JPEGs and frankly that's about as far as pecu people can take</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it. But when th theologians talk about image, what does that mean?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we could actually</v>

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<v Speaker 2>go to the the Greek here so we can uh perhaps address</v>

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<v Speaker 2>some potential pastoral detractors because what does it actually say in the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Greek? Icona.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's an icon or an idol.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man is meant to image or to represent God in creation, so</v>

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<v Speaker 2>man is the pinnacle of creation.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man is at the top of the hierarchy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man represents God to creation, and that is what man is supposed</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And we still have this to some degree today.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is to some degree lost and corrupted because of the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>fall, but if you have a dog, particularly if you select it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>well and have a good breed, your dog is going to look</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to you after a fashion as if you were God, because your</v>

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<v Speaker 2>dog looks to you for everything good in his life.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>He looks to you for food, for shelter, for warmth, for care,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>affection. Your dog looks to you as the representative of God in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>creation. So your dog is not necessarily looking exactly through you to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>God, but after a fashion, that is what's happening.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that is how woman properly interfaces and interacts with God because</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the wife is not the head, the husband is the head, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>so the body interacts with the head, the head interacts with God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's how things are supposed to work.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There's a natural hierarchy there.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There's um a footnote reference that is also relevant from the same</v>

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<v Speaker 2>work in Luther.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It references Luther's later comments on marriage, and it's important to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to bring this up as well, because I'm sure we'll discuss marriage</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a little more shortly, but what appears in the Latin text, Luther</v>

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<v Speaker 2>was reading the Vulgate, as likened to himself is in Hebrew, which</v>

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<v Speaker 2>should be about him.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>With this expression, the text also makes a difference between the human</v>

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<v Speaker 2>female and the females of all the remaining animals, which are not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>always about their mates.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The woman was so created that she should everywhere and always be</v>

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<v Speaker 2>about her husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Thus imperial law also calls the life of married people an inseparable</v>

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<v Speaker 2>relationship. The female of the brutes has a desire for the male</v>

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<v Speaker 2>only once in a whole year.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But after she has become pregnant she returns to her home and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>takes care of herself.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For her young born another time she has no concern, and she</v>

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<v Speaker 2>does not always live with her mate.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But among men, the nature of marriage is different.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There the wife so binds herself to a man that she will</v>

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<v Speaker 2>be about him and will live together with him as one flesh.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so there is this difference between man and Man and the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Wild Creatures.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now, perhaps the wild creatures were a somewhat different before the fall,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>but his point about woman is very important to note.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>What does it say in Scripture about the wife?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She is to obey her husband in everything as she would obey</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is an exceptionally high bar.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so woman is supposed to be about her husband, which makes</v>

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<v Speaker 2>perfect sense if you understand headship.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because the head is in charge.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The body is supposed to follow the head.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Your foot isn't supposed to tell you no, I don't feel like</v>

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<v Speaker 2>going for a walk today.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's not how things are supposed to work.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We were talking about this privately recently that until the last really</v>

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<v Speaker 3>two generations maybe.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever a married woman was referenced by a third party, it was</v>

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<v Speaker 3>as Mrs.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Robert Price.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It was never by her first name.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Sure she didn't have her own distinct identity apart from her husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's one of the things that feminism has sought in great</v>

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<v Speaker 3>earnestness for a hundred years to cast down, to ensure that every</v>

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<v Speaker 3>woman can be defined entirely apart from any man, whether it's her</v>

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<v Speaker 3>father or her husband or the absence of a husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The essence of feminism is ultimately that girls are first party members</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of everything and therefore must be granted all of the same privileges</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and ultimately the same authority that men have because we're all the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>same.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And Christians hear those things that did not originate within Christianity.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They hear them and they try to find in scripture where they</v>

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<v Speaker 3>can justify them.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so you end up people making an argument about the Imago</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Dei that, well, yes, women were made in the image of God</v>

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<v Speaker 3>too, so of course they can do all these things.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why we're discussing this right up front is that the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>headship that predates the fall, the headship that is the very essence</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of the created order, is not set of it is it's damaged</v>

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<v Speaker 3>by the fall, it is harmed in its unity by the fall,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>but is not set aside, and it's not set aside in redemption</v>

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<v Speaker 3>either. When we are sanctified by Christ, when we are a new</v>

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<v Speaker 3>creation as brothers in Christ, in scripture refers to girls as brothers</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in Christ as well for the sake of inheritance, which is something</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we may not get to today, but if you read the passages</v>

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<v Speaker 3>where Paul deals with inheritance, he refers to everyone as a son</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of God, whether they're male or female, because inheritance had to belong</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to the man.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And so these</v>

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<v Speaker 3>categories and these terms are not they're not cultural things that we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>have just sort of read about recently online and decided that we</v>

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<v Speaker 3>need to fight over about the Bible.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This is how scripture talks about what God has done in creation</v>

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<v Speaker 3>since the beginning.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And these attacks coming from outside the church are fundamental attacks on</v>

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<v Speaker 3>creation itself.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I think as Lutherans, we're not good at defending attacks against</v>

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<v Speaker 3>creation because Lutheranism was defined when the attack was against sanctification and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>justification. And we we're not fighting the Pope anymore.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're fighting we're fighting people who deny the first three books of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that that's part of this this fight as well.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Satan doesn't sleep and he's realized that he can attack us</v>

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<v Speaker 2>at something that is tangential and yet still very much connected to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the fight that we had centuries ago.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And when it comes to the the issue of the use of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>either the masculine or the feminine pronouns and such, there are those</v>

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<v Speaker 2>who will try to argue that well, the masculine encompasses the feminine</v>

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<v Speaker 2>grammatically, and one, there's some irony there because these will be the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>same people who like to say she and he'll even go so</v>

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<v Speaker 2>far as to list both and list the feminine first, just completely</v>

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<v Speaker 2>throwing grammar aside, but they are correct that the masculine can encompass</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the feminine because as we've discussed previously, you know, in Latin, if</v>

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<v Speaker 2>there's a group of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand women and one man, you use the masculine, because that's</v>

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<v Speaker 2>just how it works.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how it works in most languages typically.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>However, scripture does have places where it says he or she effectively,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>because a man or woman.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so Scripture is very clear when men and women are being</v>

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<v Speaker 2>addressed separately or when they are being addressed collectively, and so most</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of the scripture is in fact written with a male audience in</v>

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<v Speaker 2>mind, it is written toward men, and that is of course only</v>

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<v Speaker 2>right, as we even recognize, of course, in the small catechism, as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the household should teach should teach his household.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny you mentioned the the fact that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we we look at those language features as quirks, as that's just</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the sexist misogynistic past, when in reality those ancient languages reflected headship,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they reflected created order.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>they reflected a basic fundamental understanding of what we're trying to establish</v>

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<v Speaker 3>with this episode, which is that the presence of a man in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>a community, even if it's a one to many relationship with one</v>

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<v Speaker 3>man and lots of women, the man is in charge, period, by</v>

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<v Speaker 3>default. There cannot be an exception if you want to be godly.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And we're up against a lot of people, including a lot of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>pastors, who just don't buy that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There are pastors who are very proud about the fact that they</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that they have girls teaching at synotical conferences teaching theology to pastors.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And they think it's the best thing ever.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They're so delighted to be uh so progressive and so forward looking</v>

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<v Speaker 3>um in in in such celebrators of the quote unquote gospel, when</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in reality what they're doing is A abdicating their own offices on</v>

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<v Speaker 3>the spot and B defiling and mocking God's created order.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And they're doing it in in a very public way and they're</v>

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<v Speaker 3>doing it unrepentantly.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I I pray that people will begin to take this issue</v>

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<v Speaker 3>more seriously because it's not it's not a small linguistic matter, and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>it's not about publishing books.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's about whether we submit to God.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And if we as all Christians submit to God, then all girls</v>

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<v Speaker 3>will submit to men in all cases.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There's not a case where a girl cannot submit to a man.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There's a question of order, there's a question of hierarchy, and not</v>

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<v Speaker 3>every girl automatically submits to every man, but the fact remains a</v>

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<v Speaker 3>man A man will always be in the lead and on top</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the superior position.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And as you mentioned, men are superior.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's something that just sets the egalitarian mind on edge today.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because the idea that superior and inferior must necessarily reflect the value</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of those involved and it's simply not the case.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If you have a general and you have a colonel, the general</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is his superior.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That's literally what it's called.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't necessarily mean he's a better soldier.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>He might be, he should be, but it means that he is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the superior position, and his authority must be obeyed because of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>his position.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And what God has revealed in scripture is that man is superior</v>

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<v Speaker 3>by virtue of the position that he holds in creation over all</v>

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<v Speaker 3>of it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And you mentioned earlier that that man was over all of creation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that's why all of creation fell.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>when Jesus died in redeemed creation, he didn't just pay for our</v>

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<v Speaker 3>personal sins, he paid for the disobedient tree that he cursed that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>didn't produce fruit, and he paid for the wind that he had</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to rebuke because it was blowing and trying to kill them.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>All of creation fell.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And while we wouldn't care categorize the d disobedience of creation as</v>

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<v Speaker 3>sin per se.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It is the result of the fall.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's the result of everything that was under Adam's dominion having lost</v>

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<v Speaker 3>that proper order.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And you will see, as you mentioned, there's there's a reflection of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>this thing where sometimes that order is still properly established where your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>dog should obey you and your dog should naturally obey you, but</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you must assert your superiority.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And in dog training, one of the worst really the worst mistake</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you can make is letting your dog run wild.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>If your dog is in charge, if your dog is calling the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>shots, he will think, well, there's a hierarchy and you're not on</v>

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<v Speaker 3>top, so I must be.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And as soon as your dog realizes that, he's gonna run wild</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and you will never get him back under control.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that reality does not only apply to animals, it applies to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>people too.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Where there is an order and it is usurped, there's no way</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to get it properly restored without a lot of pain because everyone</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is like, Well, hey, I was getting away with it.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Why should I stop now?</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 2>we're at the tail end of a century or so of exactly</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that people just running entirely wild and doing as they please.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And as you mentioned, egalitarianism, we have these priors, these presuppositions that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we inherited from the enlightenment, and they go completely unexamined.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so this this presupposition, this egalitarian prior, this belief that all</v>

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<v Speaker 2>men are created equal, is just false.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It is objectively demonstrably false and we all know it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because we have all been in a situation where someone was either</v>

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<v Speaker 2>significantly better or significantly worse at something than we were at the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>time. And so there are those who are significantly better at task</v>

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<v Speaker 2>A, those who are significantly better at task B.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>They're not equal with respect to those tasks at which they are</v>

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<v Speaker 2>better or worse.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And the same thing is true of human attributes.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There are those who are more intelligent, there are more those who</v>

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<v Speaker 2>are more attractive, there are all sorts of differences.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man to man is not equal.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Man to woman is certainly not equal.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so these fundamentally flawed priors that we have imported from the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>secular world from</v>

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<v Speaker 2>objectively, aggressively godless world are just corrupting the church</v>

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<v Speaker 2>because they go unexamined, and even pastors have bought into them, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we see that, like you mentioned, when they have women stand up</v>

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<v Speaker 2>and speak at even worse teach, but just speaking at a pastor's</v>

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<v Speaker 2>conference. That is that enlightenment coming back to bite us because, well,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>we're truly progressive and we are including women and you're not being</v>

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<v Speaker 2>inclusive. You're not being progressive.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And we can discuss whether progressive is even a good thing, but</v>

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<v Speaker 2>it's not, is the short version.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>What you are doing is undermining what God built.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are undermining his order.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are being faithless if you are a pastor to your office.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And actually, I I almost skipped over something that is worth mentioning</v>

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<v Speaker 2>with regard to Genesis 127 because we miss it in the English.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of those cases where it actually, surprisingly, Hebrew</v>

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<v Speaker 2>helps a little bit.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's even more blatant what is being said in Genesis 127</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hebrew.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because we have of course anthropon in the Greek, but what word</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is that translating from the Hebrew Adam?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The word for man is Adam.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So you have he made the man Adam in his image.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's there's no missing what is being said there.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Adam is the one who is made in the truest, strictest, and</v>

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<v Speaker 2>highest sense in the image of God.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And specifically Adam, because all of us who followed after him are</v>

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<v Speaker 2>fallen until of course we get to the new Adam.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. You had mentioned or referred back to talking about the pastors</v>

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<v Speaker 3>conferences and and girls teaching pastors.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Um you think it's time to move on to defining what teaching</v>

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<v Speaker 3>is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>uh first I just want to go over the fall.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Because I want to point out something vitally important about women</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in the fall.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so of course in the in the fall, God's cursing of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>creation, you have first the serpent, who is essentially just dismissed.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>there's no discussion here that the serpent is just cursed.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because of course it's Satan, but to the woman he said, I</v>

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<v Speaker 2>will surely multiply your pain in childbearing, in pain you shall bring</v>

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<v Speaker 2>forth children, your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall</v>

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<v Speaker 2>rule over you, but of course, as has been mentioned a number</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of times by a number of commentators, that your desire shall be</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for your husband is actually better rendered into the English as your</v>

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<v Speaker 2>desire shall be against your husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Your desire shall be contrary to your husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so how is woman cursed?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Woman is cursed in the same not the same exact way, but</v>

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<v Speaker 2>in the same sense as man is cursed.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Sh man is cursed with regard to the soil, of course.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because the curse falls on the core of the duties, what that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>person is.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so man is cursed with regard to his work, because work</v>

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<v Speaker 2>isn't supposed to be labor and toil.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Work was something God made for us to do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the things we are supposed to do.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But it was not suffering before the fall.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so woman is cursed in two ways.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Really one way, two aspects of it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She is recursed with regard to womanhood, motherhood, and of course being</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a wife, all tied together.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She is cursed in regard to being a mother by having childhood</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Childbearing be painful, it is now a process that will come at</v>

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<v Speaker 2>a cost.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That was not the case before the fall.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so that strikes at the core of what woman is supposed</v>

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<v Speaker 2>to be, which is wife and mother.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And so the desire Desire against your husband strikes at that other</v>

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<v Speaker 2>aspect, the central aspect of being a wife, because first wife, then</v>

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<v Speaker 2>mother. And so woman after the fall desires to rule.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She desires to usurp the office that rightly belongs to her husband.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>She desires to become head.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the case even for women who are attempting to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>live as they ought and to behave as they ought, those women</v>

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<v Speaker 2>will struggle against that sinful nature in themselves and will try to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>suppress the desire to usurp the office of their husbands, to actually</v>

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<v Speaker 2>submit to their husbands as they are commanded to do, and as</v>

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<v Speaker 2>they would have been able to do without effort prior to the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>fall. But today, of course, it requires effort on the part of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>both the woman and the man.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And man is head, of course, has the higher duty.</v>

00:26:25.520 --> 00:26:30.000
<v Speaker 2>He has to keep the women in his life under control.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That is part of what it means to be the head, that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>is part of what it means to be a man.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 3>as you mentioned there, I just want to reiterate this because it's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>so important.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Man's work was cursed, his work is the ground, woman's work is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>cursed, her work is childbearing and obviously child rearing, raising children.</v>

00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Her work isn't cursed in the field because she shouldn't properly be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in the field.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The man should be providing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>There's that too.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Um it's just</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that's what it there's two types of working the field that man</v>

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<v Speaker 2>does. Woman is a field.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>in uh to get back to what i said about feminism it</v>

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<v Speaker 3>exists to upend all of this all of it first wave second</v>

00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:24.320
<v Speaker 3>wave there's there's no version of the pro female machinations in the</v>

00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:28.480
<v Speaker 3>secular or religious realm, they can be sanctified.</v>

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 3>You cannot take scripture and take nineteenth and twentieth century vault values</v>

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<v Speaker 3>and somehow legitimize them.</v>

00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.920
<v Speaker 3>And that's something we'll get into in a little bit, but there's</v>

00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.440
<v Speaker 3>the genealogy of these ideas that we need to take seriously because</v>

00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:46.960
<v Speaker 3>people want to just grab whatever from the world, which is something</v>

00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.760
<v Speaker 3>that we were actually accused of tonight by one of the pastors</v>

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<v Speaker 3>on Twitter of just sort of borrowing cultural things and importing them</v>

00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:55.280
<v Speaker 3>into Christianity.</v>

00:27:55.280 --> 00:27:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Nothing to be further from the truth.</v>

00:27:57.040 --> 00:27:59.120
<v Speaker 3>All we're doing is pointing to Scripture.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're having to point to Scripture about the issue of girls teaching</v>

00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 3>and girls writing books and doing this other work that rightly belongs</v>

00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:13.040
<v Speaker 3>to men exclusively, because as you said, even well meaning, well intentioned,</v>

00:28:13.040 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 3>otherwise faithful Christian men and women have been so secularized that they</v>

00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.400
<v Speaker 3>don't know they're being secular.</v>

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.240
<v Speaker 3>They don't know that they're being worldly when they white night for</v>

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 3>girls who are doing things that they shouldn't be doing.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And when a man speaks up and says, hey, that's not your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>job there's a dogpile against the man who's pointing to scripture in</v>

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<v Speaker 3>defense of a girl who is usurping her father, her sa her</v>

00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.600
<v Speaker 3>husband, and God himself.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 2>it it just comes back to we live at the tail end</v>

00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>of generations of faithlessness, and that is a very hard thing to</v>

00:28:51.280 --> 00:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>undo. Because you have these presuppositions and these priors and Indoctrination, it's</v>

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<v Speaker 2>not even right to call it education, over a course of decades,</v>

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>almost a century, generations, where they have just wholesale adopted the secular</v>

00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>culture. And that comes out everywhere.</v>

00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Just look at the you could look at the timeline and see</v>

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<v Speaker 2>what happens.</v>

00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, we have the 19th Amendment.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Now women are able to exercise political power, which of course is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>an exercise of headship, and we can discuss whether it's right for</v>

00:29:24.800 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 2>all men to exercise that even, of course it's not, but it</v>

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely wrong for women to exercise it.</v>

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>And what does the church do in response?</v>

00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Well now women can vote in our congregations.</v>

00:29:35.760 --> 00:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>It follows the culture, it doesn't follow scripture, it doesn't listen, because</v>

00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>we know what the church is.</v>

00:29:43.520 --> 00:29:45.600
<v Speaker 2>The church is a harlot.</v>

00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>The church rebels against Christ in the same way Eve rebels against</v>

00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Adam, in the same way woman rebels against man.</v>

00:29:54.320 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>And Christ has to bring the church back to himself.</v>

00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Man has to bring woman back to himself.</v>

00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>It is that constant fight against that fallen nature until things are</v>

00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.040
<v Speaker 2>perfected in the new creation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. And I I think one of the problems that we struggle</v>

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<v Speaker 3>with is that so many pastors and others want to define these</v>

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 3>battles in terms of the quote unquote culture war as though there's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>somehow this political sphere that exists sort of in the in the</v>

00:30:26.080 --> 00:30:31.360
<v Speaker 3>periphery or in the distance, and people are importing political things into</v>

00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.560
<v Speaker 3>the church and into the Christian life.</v>

00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 3>And it's sometimes it's causing harm and sometimes it's doing good.</v>

00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.240
<v Speaker 3>And what happens is when</v>

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<v Speaker 3>everyone has a tendency to think, well, I'm a Christian and I'm</v>

00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 3>not sorry for anything I'm doing right now.</v>

00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Therefore everything I'm doing right now and everything I believe must be</v>

00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Christian, 'cause I'm a Christian and I believe the Bible.</v>

00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:59.120
<v Speaker 3>So it's not possible for me to be disobeying God in an</v>

00:30:59.120 --> 00:31:02.560
<v Speaker 3>idolatrous and wicked way 'cause I love God.</v>

00:31:02.560 --> 00:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>And that is the exact opposite of what Christians should be thinking.</v>

00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:08.720
<v Speaker 3>And frankly, it's what we're accused of.</v>

00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 3>We're accused of ignoring what scripture says and doing what we want.</v>

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.520
<v Speaker 3>And I personally find that laughable because if I were to invent</v>

00:31:17.520 --> 00:31:20.720
<v Speaker 3>a religion, it would absolutely not be Christianity.</v>

00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.280
<v Speaker 3>If I wanted to make up my own rules, there would be</v>

00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:25.520
<v Speaker 3>a lot more of some things and a lot less of others.</v>

00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:27.360
<v Speaker 3>It would not look like what we do.</v>

00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:29.200
<v Speaker 3>This is not self-serving.</v>

00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.960
<v Speaker 3>When I open scripture to any page, I see myself and my</v>

00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.360
<v Speaker 3>own personal sins condemned.</v>

00:31:35.360 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 3>And so it's no surprise to me when I examine my priors</v>

00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 3>after decades of believing, for example, things like libertarianism were forced We're</v>

00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.520
<v Speaker 3>fine. I never examine those priors.</v>

00:31:47.520 --> 00:31:49.200
<v Speaker 3>They were sold to me by Christians.</v>

00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:49.840
<v Speaker 3>There were Christians.</v>

00:31:49.840 --> 00:31:51.040
<v Speaker 3>You said, oh yeah, this is great.</v>

00:31:51.040 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 3>This is fine.</v>

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 3>it's political.</v>

00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 3>It's totally consistent with God's Word.</v>

00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.760
<v Speaker 3>It's in this separate sphere, so have fun.</v>

00:31:57.760 --> 00:31:59.440
<v Speaker 3>It's better than communism.</v>

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Like, well, I don't like communism, so libertarianism must be fine.</v>

00:32:03.040 --> 00:32:07.360
<v Speaker 3>And it it and so when when when we when we escape</v>

00:32:07.360 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 3>from examining our priors rigorously As they relate to scripture, you can</v>

00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:13.280
<v Speaker 3>justify anything.</v>

00:32:13.280 --> 00:32:16.240
<v Speaker 3>And the problem is that what we're facing now is that</v>

00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.960
<v Speaker 3>proof texting is a terrible thing.</v>

00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.760
<v Speaker 3>And it's something that's easy to do and it's hard to get</v>

00:32:23.760 --> 00:32:28.560
<v Speaker 3>away from, but it's why I mentioned the genealogy of ideas earlier,</v>

00:32:28.560 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 3>and also we we both talked about the timeline of these things.</v>

00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>There's a timeline of what women have done in the church, what</v>

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 3>women have done in the home, what women have done in the</v>

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:47.280
<v Speaker 3>workplace. In every century where Christianity exists, you will see roles of</v>

00:32:47.280 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 3>a certain nature.</v>

00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Like I said at the outset, misses Robert Price was married to</v>

00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:56.800
<v Speaker 3>mister Robert Price, or doctor Robert Price.</v>

00:32:56.800 --> 00:33:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Her identity was as her husband's wife, first and foremost, to him,</v>

00:33:03.120 --> 00:33:07.120
<v Speaker 3>he didn't call her misses Robert Price, because she belonged to him.</v>

00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:09.280
<v Speaker 3>He called her in a much more personal way.</v>

00:33:09.280 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>But strangers or those who were not intimately familiar as they were</v>

00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.800
<v Speaker 3>should not do that.</v>

00:33:14.800 --> 00:33:15.440
<v Speaker 3>And that was</v>

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.320
<v Speaker 3>the norm until</v>

00:33:19.600 --> 00:33:21.600
<v Speaker 3>our grandparents, basically.</v>

00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 3>And what's happening everywhere, not this is this isn't a Lutheran problem,</v>

00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.120
<v Speaker 3>this is a societal problem.</v>

00:33:27.120 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's the reason that the quote unquote based and trad crowd</v>

00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 3>constantly gets dragged by these pastors is that we're skipping right over</v>

00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.560
<v Speaker 3>all the crap that they've been selling us and their grandparents have</v>

00:33:38.560 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 3>been selling us and we're looking back to prior centuries And I</v>

00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:49.840
<v Speaker 3>think that Lutherans are particularly vulnerable to rejecting appeals to history because</v>

00:33:49.840 --> 00:33:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Rome did it to us.</v>

00:33:51.280 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 3>When Luther popped up and's like, hey, I'm reading the Bible and</v>

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm not finding this stuff you're teaching, I think we're doing it</v>

00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.520
<v Speaker 3>wrong. Their argument was well we've been doing this for forever.</v>

00:34:01.520 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 3>The church has always believed this and so you're wrong.</v>

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:08.240
<v Speaker 3>And he said, But scripture says otherwise and then as others mentioned,</v>

00:34:08.240 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 3>he and you know, he and the other Lutherans basically invented epis</v>

00:34:11.120 --> 00:34:15.680
<v Speaker 3>patristrics to demonstrate that no, actually many in the church did believe</v>

00:34:15.680 --> 00:34:19.760
<v Speaker 3>what we believe in the sixteenth century and today, and it was</v>

00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 3>in fact Rome who had departed from tradition.</v>

00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:30.160
<v Speaker 3>So tradition appeals are not per se invalid, but they are</v>

00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 3>They can either be good or bad.</v>

00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.080
<v Speaker 3>They always need to be examined in terms of their priors.</v>

00:34:36.080 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 3>And the priors in Latin and Greek and these other languages were</v>

00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.520
<v Speaker 3>that women had headship under men.</v>

00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 3>the woman was the body, the man was the head.</v>

00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.080
<v Speaker 3>And so that's reflected even in the most basic linguistic elements.</v>

00:34:50.080 --> 00:34:54.720
<v Speaker 3>It's reflected in in job roles of which the woman existed in</v>

00:34:54.720 --> 00:34:57.600
<v Speaker 3>the home, to be a help meet to her husband in his</v>

00:34:57.600 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 3>household for his his vocation, whatever it was, she was to act</v>

00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 3>in service to that in everything that she did.</v>

00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Um a woman is given by the father to the To the</v>

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 3>husband to be married.</v>

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:18.720
<v Speaker 3>And that is a transfer of title that no one wants to</v>

00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 3>deal with today.</v>

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 3>But even the even the forms of the of the ceremony and</v>

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.680
<v Speaker 3>the ways that we describe things, at least until very recently, reflected</v>

00:35:27.680 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 3>the past that the fact that the headship went from the father</v>

00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 3>to the husband.</v>

00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 3>And that is godly and that is proper.</v>

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.760
<v Speaker 3>And wherever you have girls acting in a way that is contrary</v>

00:35:38.720 --> 00:35:43.600
<v Speaker 3>to the dominion of either a husband or a father, whatever they</v>

00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:47.360
<v Speaker 3>do after that is inherently illegitimate because they're in a rebellion.</v>

00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 3>They're an open rebellion by virtue of their life.</v>

00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 3>And that's also the norm today.</v>

00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, we see pastors worrying about, well, where do I send</v>

00:35:56.160 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 3>my girl to college?</v>

00:35:57.520 --> 00:36:01.440
<v Speaker 3>And we beg them, please, please don't, don't send them to college.</v>

00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Your daughter will become a whore in college, even if she goes</v>

00:36:04.080 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 3>to a Lutheran college.</v>

00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 3>And everyone's like, oh no, well, you know, the Christian colleges are</v>

00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.680
<v Speaker 3>fine. It's the other it's the it's those pagans.</v>

00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Like, no, it isn't.</v>

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.960
<v Speaker 3>It is rebellion for her to leave your household without being sent</v>

00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 3>to a man's house to be his husband.</v>

00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 3>And because we've spent so many decades and now centuries in engaging</v>

00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 3>in some of these activities that we think that since we're Christian</v>

00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 3>it must be fine when in fact we're Christian, we've been told</v>

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.440
<v Speaker 3>better when the world hasn't, and not only we disobeying God, but</v>

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.000
<v Speaker 3>we are setting the worst example for others.</v>

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.680
<v Speaker 3>And so when the based and trad crowd looks at what our</v>

00:36:39.680 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 3>own churches are teaching today and they see it's inconsistent with scripture</v>

00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.120
<v Speaker 3>and with the history of the Christian church, they just look elsewhere</v>

00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.480
<v Speaker 3>because we don't look Christian to them and they're not wrong.</v>

00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely true.</v>

00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:59.120
<v Speaker 2>And we have this serious problem where we actually have pagans who</v>

00:36:59.120 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 2>are being more faithful</v>

00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>in some ways than Christians.</v>

00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Of course they're wrong when it comes to the core theological questions.</v>

00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>They're wrong, obviously, on justification and soteriology.</v>

00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:14.640
<v Speaker 2>They don't understand those things.</v>

00:37:14.640 --> 00:37:18.240
<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to ontology, when it comes to creation, when</v>

00:37:18.240 --> 00:37:21.040
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the nature of God, there are a lot of</v>

00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>pagans who understand it a lot better than most Christians, including many</v>

00:37:27.040 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>pastors. And that is not</v>

00:37:30.560 --> 00:37:32.080
<v Speaker 2>what we need to have happening.</v>

00:37:32.080 --> 00:37:35.600
<v Speaker 2>We cannot permit that because as you mentioned, what does that do.</v>

00:37:35.600 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>It drives all the young men out of the church, and if</v>

00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.240
<v Speaker 2>you drive all the young men out of the church, you have</v>

00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>killed the church.</v>

00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>The church cannot exist with just women.</v>

00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 2>That's not a church.</v>

00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.640
<v Speaker 2>The church has to have men.</v>

00:37:48.640 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Not least of all because only men can be pastors, but also</v>

00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.680
<v Speaker 2>because men as head have to be the ones in charge, have</v>

00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 2>to be the ones who are teaching.</v>

00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:58.720
<v Speaker 2>And some men</v>

00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>are simply resorting to permitting women to do these things because those</v>

00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>men are lazy, they are derelict in their duty.</v>

00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to have to do the things they are supposed</v>

00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>to do, so they figure, well, women are good enough at it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Or even if you find a woman who is better at it,</v>

00:38:14.080 --> 00:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>it is still the man's duty to do the task if it</v>

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<v Speaker 2>falls within the things assigned to man.</v>

00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>But those men don't want to do it, because it's so much</v>

00:38:22.080 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 2>easier if you just let women do it, and you don't have</v>

00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>to fight with them then.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>But Woman is naturally rebellious.</v>

00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.320
<v Speaker 2>You are going to have to train a woman.</v>

00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:31.680
<v Speaker 2>You're going to have to train a wife.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You are going to have to deal with this constant desire she</v>

00:38:34.720 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 2>has because she is a fallen creature, and the curse that she</v>

00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:41.520
<v Speaker 2>has is rebellion against rightful authority, you have to deal with that,</v>

00:38:41.520 --> 00:38:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and most men, today at least, don't want to have to deal</v>

00:38:44.640 --> 00:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>with it.</v>

00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>And you don't have to deal with it if you just let</v>

00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>her do whatever she wants.</v>

00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>But if you let her do whatever she wants, she will tear</v>

00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>down everything.</v>

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.040
<v Speaker 2>She will tear down society and the church, and we see that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>happening.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And she will do that even when she is well meaning, because</v>

00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:02.320
<v Speaker 3>the very act itself is usurpation.</v>

00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.480
<v Speaker 3>It has nothing to do with good intentions.</v>

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.120
<v Speaker 3>It has nothing to do with how well she knows the catechism</v>

00:39:07.120 --> 00:39:08.240
<v Speaker 3>or loves Jesus.</v>

00:39:08.240 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 3>If she's doing these things, she is acting in an evil way,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>per se, and that must be stopped per se.</v>

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And

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<v Speaker 2>that is one thing that so many pastors and others do not</v>

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<v Speaker 2>understand, or at least refuse to accept.</v>

00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 2>You can do something</v>

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<v Speaker 2>that for all appearances is a great thing, it is a good</v>

00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:38.240
<v Speaker 2>thing, but because of who you are, because of the actor, because</v>

00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>of the nature, the status of the actor, the act itself is</v>

00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>evil. And pastors should understand that, as should every Christian, particularly Lutherans,</v>

00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 2>because our doctrine on this is exactly correct, is perfectly sound.</v>

00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>If you do good works, and you are not a Christian, they</v>

00:39:57.520 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>are sin.</v>

00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 2>If you go out and feed the homeless, you provide them with</v>

00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>shelter, you clothe them, you visit people in prison, you do all</v>

00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 2>of these wonderful things, but you aren't a Christian.</v>

00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>They're filthy rags, it's sin.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>None of it is good.</v>

00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 2>If you are a Christian, the sin that taints those things is</v>

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<v Speaker 2>removed, is not counted against you because you are in Christ.</v>

00:40:21.600 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Again, headship, and because you are in Christ, your good works are</v>

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.560
<v Speaker 2>good. And so it is the status of the individual that matters,</v>

00:40:30.560 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and so woman cannot exercise headship, no matter how well she may</v>

00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>do it, you can have someone who is extremely good at the</v>

00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>task and is still prohibited from engaging in that task.</v>

00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>And we just look at it because we at least in the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>U.S. we're largely coming at it with this capitalist mindset of well,</v>

00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>we should just pick the person who is best at the job,</v>

00:40:55.120 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and that person should do it.</v>

00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's just not how it works, because there are certain people</v>

00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>who should or should not do the job.</v>

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:05.680
<v Speaker 2>And so, for instance, you should not have female soldiers.</v>

00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Is there possibly a woman who is a better soldier than a</v>

00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>particular man?</v>

00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that could happen.</v>

00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Not often, most women are terrible soldiers compared to men, but you</v>

00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.120
<v Speaker 2>could conceivably find one who is better.</v>

00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>But it would still be sin for her to be a soldier,</v>

00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 2>it would still be sin to permit it, because that is a</v>

00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.400
<v Speaker 2>task that is restricted to men.</v>

00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Women should not be engaged in it.</v>

00:41:31.040 --> 00:41:35.200
<v Speaker 2>And so we have to understand ontology, the nature of things, and</v>

00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:36.560
<v Speaker 2>of course duty.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. So let's talk about teaching.</v>

00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 3>that's why we're here today.</v>

00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:44.240
<v Speaker 3>Um</v>

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<v Speaker 3>teaching is</v>

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:53.200
<v Speaker 3>it gets to the heart of the Lutheran conception of vocation.</v>

00:41:53.520 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Lutherans have this correct doctrine that of a vocation, uh the the</v>

00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.760
<v Speaker 3>root their word is the same as vocal, uh means a calling,</v>

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.160
<v Speaker 3>uh in this case a calling from God.</v>

00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:10.160
<v Speaker 3>It means that God both created you and then called you to</v>

00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 3>a purpose.</v>

00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.440
<v Speaker 3>So there are vocations like father and husband.</v>

00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Uh being a pastor is a vocation, being a mother is a</v>

00:42:18.240 --> 00:42:24.240
<v Speaker 3>vocation. When God calls you into a vocation, there are certain duties</v>

00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 3>that go along with it, and you are to fulfill those duties</v>

00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 3>not because it's the job, but because it is your duty to</v>

00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.080
<v Speaker 3>God. You have been entrusted with the care of whatever that duty</v>

00:42:38.080 --> 00:42:41.360
<v Speaker 3>is, and it is obedience to God for a man or a</v>

00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:48.000
<v Speaker 3>woman to faithfully execute those duties and in his or her vocation.</v>

00:42:48.160 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 3>So</v>

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<v Speaker 3>as we mentioned at the in the part about Genesis, there are</v>

00:42:53.200 --> 00:42:58.240
<v Speaker 3>vocations that rightly strictly can only belong to men.</v>

00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:04.320
<v Speaker 3>That would That which is work, that which is outside the household,</v>

00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:11.120
<v Speaker 3>you will find that those both in scripture and elsewhere rightly belong</v>

00:43:11.120 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 3>to men.</v>

00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:15.520
<v Speaker 3>And a girl will not be called to them by God.</v>

00:43:15.520 --> 00:43:19.360
<v Speaker 3>She may be thrust into them by evil circumstance, or she may</v>

00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.520
<v Speaker 3>be usurping in her actions, but if she ends up wearing one</v>

00:43:23.520 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 3>of those hats, it's because</v>

00:43:25.600 --> 00:43:28.160
<v Speaker 3>she and others have disobeyed God.</v>

00:43:28.160 --> 00:43:31.440
<v Speaker 3>And so the question that that arose on Twitter in the last</v>

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 3>few weeks and and elsewhere is, is it teaching to write a</v>

00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.680
<v Speaker 3>book? Is it teaching for a girl to write a book?</v>

00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Is it pastoral teaching for a girl to write a theological book?</v>

00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.960
<v Speaker 3>So the first thing we need to talk about is</v>

00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Whether teaching is inherently done with authority.</v>

00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 3>And this is where the Lutheran doctrine of vocation completely falls apart.</v>

00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say some things here that'll probably make a lot of</v>

00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Lutherans very angry because they'll be uncomfor comfortable with the idea that</v>

00:44:03.120 --> 00:44:06.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe the way we talk about things can lead to error.</v>

00:44:06.560 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 3>But that's exactly what's out going on here.</v>

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 3>And you've we've seen it left and right from especially pastors discussing</v>

00:44:14.080 --> 00:44:19.040
<v Speaker 3>the intersection of the passage in First Timothy two and first Corinthians</v>

00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:25.600
<v Speaker 3>fourteen regarding the proper role of women in the church.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I have uh the first Timothy two section pulled up here so</v>

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<v Speaker 2>may as well read it so at least we remind people of</v>

00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:34.080
<v Speaker 2>what it says.</v>

00:44:34.080 --> 00:44:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully most of our audience will be familiar with it, but nevertheless.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting</v>

00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>holy hands without anger or quarrelling, likewise also that women should adorn</v>

00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 2>themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self control, not with braided</v>

00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>hair and gold or pearls or costly things costly attire, but with</v>

00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:59.120
<v Speaker 2>what is proper for women who profess godliness with good works.</v>

00:44:59.120 --> 00:45:03.600
<v Speaker 2>That a woman learn quietly in all submissiveness, I do not permit</v>

00:45:03.600 --> 00:45:07.280
<v Speaker 2>a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, rather</v>

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>she is to remain quiet for Adam was formed first, then Eve,</v>

00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became</v>

00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.600
<v Speaker 2>a transgressor, yet she will be saved through childbearing, if they continue</v>

00:45:19.600 --> 00:45:20.080
<v Speaker 2>in faith</v>

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<v Speaker 2>There</v>

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's just I was going to point out there are a</v>

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things in there that need to be addressed because there</v>

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>are so many places that modern Christians and unfortunately many pastors go</v>

00:45:34.080 --> 00:45:35.040
<v Speaker 2>off the rails.</v>

00:45:35.040 --> 00:45:38.160
<v Speaker 2>One in particular I'll address before we move on to the next</v>

00:45:38.160 --> 00:45:39.440
<v Speaker 2>part of this.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Nowhere in there does it say this is restricted to the church.</v>

00:45:45.520 --> 00:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Nothing in there says it's restricted to the church.</v>

00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.920
<v Speaker 2>In fact, what does it say?</v>

00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 2>I desire then that in every place it doesn't say in every</v>

00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.240
<v Speaker 2>church, just in the church, in houses of worship, in every Christian</v>

00:45:58.240 --> 00:46:00.080
<v Speaker 2>home. No, it says every place.</v>

00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.360
<v Speaker 2>These are instructions for life, and the appeal is to the order</v>

00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.240
<v Speaker 2>of creation, to the nature of men and women.</v>

00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 2>It is not simply a set of rules for how we conduct</v>

00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:13.440
<v Speaker 2>things in the church.</v>

00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:18.240
<v Speaker 2>This is a statement about the reality of the world in which</v>

00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:22.720
<v Speaker 2>we live, the reality of man and woman, and just how things</v>

00:46:22.720 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 2>should be conducted</v>

00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 2>If we are to be Christians in our lives and not just</v>

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<v Speaker 2>for an hour on Sunday.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. if you were to</v>

00:46:34.720 --> 00:46:40.480
<v Speaker 3>look at that list of things that God commands through Paul's writing,</v>

00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 3>and limit it to one hour during the divine service on Sunday,</v>

00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 3>you would create hell on earth.</v>

00:46:47.200 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 3>if we're going to be given a world where all these things</v>

00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:55.520
<v Speaker 3>are permissible for everyone, except when they're in church, you have destroyed</v>

00:46:55.520 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 3>civilization. And frankly, we're not far from it.</v>

00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.640
<v Speaker 3>When you when you go through that list of things, as you</v>

00:47:00.640 --> 00:47:01.920
<v Speaker 3>said, they're all happening.</v>

00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:03.600
<v Speaker 3>They're happening outside of church.</v>

00:47:03.600 --> 00:47:07.200
<v Speaker 3>And then of course they're being brought into church because when Christians</v>

00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:11.520
<v Speaker 3>fail to listen to God, when Christian Christians are ashamed of what</v>

00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:16.080
<v Speaker 3>God has said and they backpedal and they circumscribe and they narrow</v>

00:47:16.080 --> 00:47:20.640
<v Speaker 3>down God's law until it's there's so little of it left that</v>

00:47:20.640 --> 00:47:23.680
<v Speaker 3>pretty much anyone can buy into it.</v>

00:47:23.680 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Satan is one.</v>

00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.080
<v Speaker 3>And that is what we are battling today.</v>

00:47:28.080 --> 00:47:32.960
<v Speaker 3>And the reason that I said that the Lutheran doctrine of vocation</v>

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.040
<v Speaker 3>falls apart is for that very reason.</v>

00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Is it because Timothy Timothy is a pastoral epistle, and around that</v>

00:47:40.560 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Paul is describing things within the church, Christians read that and say,</v>

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 3>well, this can only apply to the church because I don't want</v>

00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 3>to deal with the implications of it not applying to the church.</v>

00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 3>If it if it applies to the grocery store, if it applies</v>

00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.320
<v Speaker 3>to the school, if it applies to the government, then we're in</v>

00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.240
<v Speaker 3>trouble. I'm in trouble because I am participating in sin and I</v>

00:48:04.240 --> 00:48:06.080
<v Speaker 3>know that I am free from sin.</v>

00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.920
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of where we are, and it's it's simply false.</v>

00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Um it's interesting to note that uh grammatically</v>

00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.560
<v Speaker 3>the Holy Spirit says, Lit a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness,</v>

00:48:20.560 --> 00:48:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I I do not a woman permit a woman to teach or</v>

00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:25.520
<v Speaker 3>to exercise authority.</v>

00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:30.720
<v Speaker 3>So teaching is separate from exercising authority because there are kinds of</v>

00:48:30.720 --> 00:48:35.600
<v Speaker 3>exercising authority that are not teaching, but it is also connected in</v>

00:48:35.600 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Speaker 3>the same sentence because teaching is a form of the exercise of</v>

00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.200
<v Speaker 3>authority. And that's been one of the roots of the argument online</v>

00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 3>that I want to address now.</v>

00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:46.720
<v Speaker 3>When a Lutheran thinks</v>

00:48:47.600 --> 00:48:51.600
<v Speaker 3>about authority, we think about it in terms of vocation.</v>

00:48:51.600 --> 00:48:55.120
<v Speaker 3>So we think father, we think husband, we think teacher in a</v>

00:48:55.120 --> 00:49:01.040
<v Speaker 3>classroom, or a pastor over his flock, or a prince over his</v>

00:49:01.040 --> 00:49:06.880
<v Speaker 3>dominion. And those are all vocations where God has called a particular</v>

00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 3>person, a particular man, to a place, has given him a domain,</v>

00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:17.280
<v Speaker 3>has given him people under his care and rebellion against that authority</v>

00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 3>is sin all by itself.</v>

00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 3>If you disobey your father and he is not doing something that</v>

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:30.080
<v Speaker 3>is if assuming that he is not directly contravening God, your disobedience</v>

00:49:30.080 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 3>to your father is disobedience to God because of his authority as</v>

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:36.160
<v Speaker 3>your father.</v>

00:49:36.160 --> 00:49:41.520
<v Speaker 3>So when Lutherans think about vocation, they think that well, all authority</v>

00:49:41.520 --> 00:49:44.720
<v Speaker 3>stems from and flows from vocation.</v>

00:49:44.720 --> 00:49:48.640
<v Speaker 3>And that's simply not true because there are two kinds of authority.</v>

00:49:48.640 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 3>And this is something that we all understand naturally and I'll give</v>

00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.040
<v Speaker 3>you the example of this very podcast.</v>

00:49:55.040 --> 00:49:59.200
<v Speaker 3>As Cory and I are speaking to you, we are teaching.</v>

00:49:59.200 --> 00:50:01.760
<v Speaker 3>We are exercising authority.</v>

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 3>How so?</v>

00:50:03.120 --> 00:50:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Cause I have the microphone and you have the speakers.</v>

00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:11.440
<v Speaker 3>I am actively speaking and you are passively listening.</v>

00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.240
<v Speaker 3>I am giving and you are receiving.</v>

00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:20.080
<v Speaker 3>That is inherently authority per se just by virtually virtue of the</v>

00:50:20.080 --> 00:50:21.760
<v Speaker 3>structure of the thing.</v>

00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Now, that is not to suggest that if you disagree with me,</v>

00:50:26.160 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Speaker 3>you're you're sinning, you're transgressing against God, because this is the type</v>

00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:36.160
<v Speaker 3>of authority where although it is inherent in the act, it does</v>

00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:41.120
<v Speaker 3>not compel submission except through the veracity of its claims.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>So if I sit here and talk and I cite Scripture and</v>

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 3>you agree with what I say about Scripture, you're doing that because</v>

00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 3>the Holy Spirit, acting in you, hears the voice of God in</v>

00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.720
<v Speaker 3>the way I'm framing something Thing.</v>

00:50:56.720 --> 00:51:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Not that I'm a prophet, not that I'm speaking as God, but</v>

00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:04.720
<v Speaker 3>that I'm saying what God says and God within you hears it</v>

00:51:04.720 --> 00:51:06.720
<v Speaker 3>and says, Yes, I believe that.</v>

00:51:06.720 --> 00:51:08.240
<v Speaker 3>That's between you and God.</v>

00:51:08.240 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 3>If you agree with that, you're not submitting to me.</v>

00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.240
<v Speaker 3>You're submitting to God.</v>

00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 3>And if you disagree with it, if I'm wrong, then you're just</v>

00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.880
<v Speaker 3>disagreeing with me.</v>

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 3>If I'm right, you're disagreeing with me and God, but your only</v>

00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.080
<v Speaker 3>sin would be against God because the authority of my speech does</v>

00:51:24.080 --> 00:51:29.520
<v Speaker 3>not extend to condemnation of someone who doesn't like it.</v>

00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:32.240
<v Speaker 3>Um there and there are lots of examples of this in the</v>

00:51:32.240 --> 00:51:36.080
<v Speaker 3>world. You know, if you go to a lecture, the whoever the</v>

00:51:36.080 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 3>lecturer is is standing.</v>

00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.520
<v Speaker 3>He's typically standing behind a podium.</v>

00:51:41.520 --> 00:51:42.720
<v Speaker 3>It's raised.</v>

00:51:42.720 --> 00:51:43.600
<v Speaker 3>You are seated.</v>

00:51:43.600 --> 00:51:45.120
<v Speaker 3>You are lower than him.</v>

00:51:45.120 --> 00:51:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Every physical element of the process of teaching</v>

00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Reinforces the authority of the speaker and the submission of the listener.</v>

00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Now, in the case of teaching, there are also actually two different</v>

00:51:59.680 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 3>kinds of teaching.</v>

00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.360
<v Speaker 3>I had mentioned that teacher is a vocation.</v>

00:52:03.520 --> 00:52:08.560
<v Speaker 3>It is a vocation in the realm where a student goes to</v>

00:52:08.560 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 3>a classroom, the teacher takes attendance.</v>

00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:16.560
<v Speaker 3>In that case, the student has been assigned to that teacher by</v>

00:52:16.560 --> 00:52:18.960
<v Speaker 3>the school system, by the parents, whatever.</v>

00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:23.920
<v Speaker 3>There is a one-to-many relationship of the teacher to the students, but</v>

00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:29.760
<v Speaker 3>there is a relationship of authority and accountability because the teacher has</v>

00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.880
<v Speaker 3>a responsibility for the performance of the students.</v>

00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.720
<v Speaker 3>And that is unlike a lecture.</v>

00:52:34.720 --> 00:52:36.160
<v Speaker 3>That is unlike a podcast.</v>

00:52:36.160 --> 00:52:39.680
<v Speaker 3>And that is unlike a book, where there is also a one-to-many</v>

00:52:39.680 --> 00:52:44.080
<v Speaker 3>relationship, but the many are typically anonymous.</v>

00:52:44.080 --> 00:52:49.680
<v Speaker 3>The many there's no accountability from the one to God to make</v>

00:52:49.680 --> 00:52:53.280
<v Speaker 3>sure that the many hew to whatever has been said.</v>

00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 3>So the authority is very limited, but nevertheless it is authority.</v>

00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 3>For a man to stand up and pronounce something is is done</v>

00:53:04.240 --> 00:53:06.480
<v Speaker 3>as an act of authority.</v>

00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Now it may be usurpation depending on vocation.</v>

00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:11.760
<v Speaker 3>There may be cases where, you know, for example, in the middle</v>

00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:16.480
<v Speaker 3>of a church service where the pastor is speaking and he's preaching,</v>

00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:18.880
<v Speaker 3>if some man stands up in the middle of the service the</v>

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.360
<v Speaker 3>service and starts arguing with him.</v>

00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:26.560
<v Speaker 3>He's the the man is acting with authority, but it's evil.</v>

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 3>It's a bad type of of usurpation because you're usurping that which</v>

00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.160
<v Speaker 3>the pastor is rightly doing, even if the pastor's wrong.</v>

00:53:36.160 --> 00:53:39.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean there'd be there are very limited circumstances where it would</v>

00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:41.120
<v Speaker 3>ever be permissible to do that.</v>

00:53:41.120 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't say that it should never be done, but it should</v>

00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.160
<v Speaker 3>be so stroke store so extraordinary that you should probably never hear</v>

00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:46.240
<v Speaker 3>about</v>

00:53:47.120 --> 00:53:48.240
it.

00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:49.200
<v Speaker 2>One would hope.</v>

00:53:49.200 --> 00:53:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Basically it would have to be outright heresy.</v>

00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And you know that that does occur, but you know, God</v>

00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.000
<v Speaker 3>dwelling it won't happen in our churches at least for at least</v>

00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.040
<v Speaker 3>for a while.</v>

00:53:59.120 --> 00:54:02.480
<v Speaker 3>So the the reason for for pointing out that there are two</v>

00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 3>different kinds of authority in teaching is to get to the heart</v>

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.800
<v Speaker 3>of what has been discussed online about girls writing books and girls</v>

00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.600
<v Speaker 3>writing theology books, because that's exactly what's happening in the Missouri Synod</v>

00:54:15.600 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 3>today and has been going on for quite some time.</v>

00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Concordia Publishing House CPH is an arm of the Missouri Synod.</v>

00:54:23.680 --> 00:54:28.240
<v Speaker 3>It is a wholly captive business that belongs to the corporation of</v>

00:54:28.240 --> 00:54:29.520
<v Speaker 3>the LCMS.</v>

00:54:29.520 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 3>It's a business entity.</v>

00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:35.680
<v Speaker 3>And this is a game that gets played whenever these questions come</v>

00:54:35.680 --> 00:54:41.520
<v Speaker 3>up. On one hand, everything that CPH publishes must go through doctrinal</v>

00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 3>review. Because CPH is the church for the purposes of publishing things</v>

00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:50.080
<v Speaker 3>that should be sound doctrine.</v>

00:54:50.080 --> 00:54:55.200
<v Speaker 3>But when men stand up and say, hey, but we have girls</v>

00:54:55.200 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 3>teaching, suddenly the church says, hey, you know, it's just a publishing,</v>

00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.480
<v Speaker 3>like it's like print on demand.</v>

00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, they they can say what they say and it's not</v>

00:55:03.040 --> 00:55:06.080
<v Speaker 3>the church saying it and you just need to settle down and</v>

00:55:06.080 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 3>quit hating women.</v>

00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Um which is not what anyone has said at any point.</v>

00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 3>What has been said is that there again there's several tiers of</v>

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.160
<v Speaker 3>this question.</v>

00:55:18.160 --> 00:55:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Is the publishing house that belongs to a church church teaching?</v>

00:55:23.520 --> 00:55:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Now the Missouri Senate plays lots of games I don't even want</v>

00:55:27.040 --> 00:55:29.920
<v Speaker 3>to get into because I just find them disgusting, but the answer</v>

00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.880
<v Speaker 3>is yes or no, depending on how you want to interpret it.</v>

00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:34.480
<v Speaker 3>It's all weaseling.</v>

00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.760
<v Speaker 3>The more basic question, which is what we want to talk about,</v>

00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.080
<v Speaker 3>is whether publishing a book, period, is teaching.</v>

00:55:42.080 --> 00:55:48.080
<v Speaker 3>And again, first Timothy says that teaching is exercising of authority.</v>

00:55:48.080 --> 00:55:50.400
<v Speaker 3>And that is the point that I'm trying to make.</v>

00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.480
<v Speaker 3>And when the when the pastors say, well, no, it can't be</v>

00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.760
<v Speaker 3>not all teaching can be with authority because it doesn't touch on</v>

00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.200
<v Speaker 3>the pastoral office.</v>

00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:02.160
<v Speaker 3>The point that we're trying to make is it doesn't matter because</v>

00:56:02.160 --> 00:56:06.720
<v Speaker 3>that section of first Timothy is not about the pastoral office.</v>

00:56:06.720 --> 00:56:11.120
<v Speaker 3>It is not about what pastors do in the pulpit versus what</v>

00:56:11.120 --> 00:56:15.120
<v Speaker 3>the laity are permitted to do, whether male or female.</v>

00:56:15.120 --> 00:56:19.280
<v Speaker 3>The question is much more fundamental, and this is where Lutherans have</v>

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:20.880
<v Speaker 3>gotten, we just become retarded.</v>

00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.120
<v Speaker 3>We don't understand these ontological questions of what is the root of</v>

00:56:25.120 --> 00:56:29.200
<v Speaker 3>the authority to do this, and thank God for telling us right</v>

00:56:29.200 --> 00:56:35.200
<v Speaker 3>in the text that the order of creation is the revealed nature</v>

00:56:35.200 --> 00:56:37.600
<v Speaker 3>of the difference.</v>

00:56:37.600 --> 00:56:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Eve was deceived.</v>

00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Now that's that's profound if you're talking about girls publishing theological books.</v>

00:56:43.600 --> 00:56:46.720
<v Speaker 3>God said it wasn't Adam who was tricked by Satan, it was</v>

00:56:46.720 --> 00:56:48.480
<v Speaker 3>the girl who was tricked by Satan.</v>

00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:51.440
<v Speaker 3>And that is the reason why girls can't teach.</v>

00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.160
<v Speaker 3>And for pastors to stand up and say, well that just means</v>

00:56:54.160 --> 00:56:57.280
<v Speaker 3>in church, or that just means, you know, maybe not theological books</v>

00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.800
<v Speaker 3>or certain kinds of theological books, but maybe not the really hardcore</v>

00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 3>ones. It's nonsense.</v>

00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.040
<v Speaker 3>If a girl is teaching and she is the one who was</v>

00:57:05.040 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 3>deceived by Satan, she is usurping the created order by opening her</v>

00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.560
<v Speaker 3>mouth. And this is where the egalitarian thing really just causes everyone</v>

00:57:14.560 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 3>to have a meltdown.</v>

00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.720
<v Speaker 3>The bottom line is very simple.</v>

00:57:18.720 --> 00:57:23.600
<v Speaker 3>If you are a girl, your will should be expressed through your</v>

00:57:23.600 --> 00:57:25.200
<v Speaker 3>father or through your husband.</v>

00:57:25.200 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 3>You should not have a public will expressed in any other way.</v>

00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:30.720
<v Speaker 3>That isn't headship.</v>

00:57:30.720 --> 00:57:33.200
<v Speaker 3>As Corey talked about, you know, the foot doesn't decide where to</v>

00:57:33.200 --> 00:57:34.720
<v Speaker 3>go, the foot doesn't talk.</v>

00:57:34.720 --> 00:57:36.320
<v Speaker 3>The mouth is on the head.</v>

00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:37.840
<v Speaker 3>The head speaks.</v>

00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 3>And that's the reason that it's Mrs.</v>

00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Roger. Robert Price and not whatever her name was.</v>

00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:44.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't even have to know her name.</v>

00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 3>I know she was Mrs.</v>

00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Robert Price.</v>

00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.240
<v Speaker 3>She was his wife.</v>

00:57:48.240 --> 00:57:51.040
<v Speaker 3>There's not a permissible circumstance under which</v>

00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 3>a woman has her views v expressed in public.</v>

00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 3>And that was the root of the nineteenth Amendment.</v>

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:01.200
<v Speaker 3>It's the root of all of this.</v>

00:58:01.200 --> 00:58:04.480
<v Speaker 3>It's the root of the feminist attack on the created order for</v>

00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.600
<v Speaker 3>the last hundred and however many years is to say, you know</v>

00:58:07.600 --> 00:58:10.240
<v Speaker 3>what? Girls, you know, it's girl power.</v>

00:58:10.240 --> 00:58:11.600
<v Speaker 3>Girls are gonna express themselves.</v>

00:58:11.600 --> 00:58:13.200
<v Speaker 3>They're going to make their mark.</v>

00:58:13.200 --> 00:58:17.200
<v Speaker 3>They're going to do those things which they are capable of doing.</v>

00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:20.640
<v Speaker 3>And that's another part of the argument is that as as Corey</v>

00:58:20.640 --> 00:58:24.240
<v Speaker 3>mentioned, you know, you said that it's not about whether or not</v>

00:58:24.240 --> 00:58:25.280
<v Speaker 3>they are good at it.</v>

00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:27.680
<v Speaker 3>And honestly, I think one of the reasons that a lot of</v>

00:58:27.680 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 3>these pastors are so willing to embrace all these girls doing stuff</v>

00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.560
<v Speaker 3>in their churches, is that inside they know that they should never</v>

00:58:36.560 --> 00:58:37.680
<v Speaker 3>have been ordained.</v>

00:58:37.680 --> 00:58:39.600
<v Speaker 3>I think they know that they're not competent.</v>

00:58:39.600 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 3>And when they see the teaching abilities of some of the girls</v>

00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:48.160
<v Speaker 3>in their in their They're under their care, under their superior rule,</v>

00:58:48.160 --> 00:58:51.520
<v Speaker 3>they're ashamed because they can't do as well as the girls under</v>

00:58:51.520 --> 00:58:55.200
<v Speaker 3>them. And rather than trying to be by their pastors, or maybe</v>

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:57.520
<v Speaker 3>stepping down and saying, you know what, I'm not fit for this</v>

00:58:57.520 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 3>office. Instead, they choose to usurp God's order by elevating girls to</v>

00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 3>do the job that God has tasked them with doing.</v>

00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.680
<v Speaker 2>There's that, and there is also they know that if they That</v>

00:59:09.680 --> 00:59:12.720
<v Speaker 2>if they promote women, or at least they believe that if they</v>

00:59:12.720 --> 00:59:17.120
<v Speaker 2>promote women, and today's society it's true, that that will insulate them</v>

00:59:17.120 --> 00:59:20.640
<v Speaker 2>from criticism from others because look at how progressive I'm being, and</v>

00:59:20.640 --> 00:59:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I am including women, and I'm doing all these things that the</v>

00:59:23.680 --> 00:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>culture the culture loves, which that should set off alarm bells for</v>

00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 2>any Christian, but they do that because then they're insulated from being</v>

00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.240
<v Speaker 2>criticized by other men.</v>

00:59:34.240 --> 00:59:39.040
<v Speaker 2>And if they were instead selecting competent men in their congregations, which</v>

00:59:39.120 --> 00:59:42.080
<v Speaker 2>unless they've absolutely failed as a pastor, they should have those in</v>

00:59:42.080 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Speaker 2>their churches, because they don't necessarily want to select the men because</v>

00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:51.040
<v Speaker 2>that's competition, which is not how a man would actually see it.</v>

00:59:51.040 --> 00:59:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, competition is healthy and it's a good thing, but ultimately I'm</v>

00:59:54.240 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 2>not trying to destroy you if I'm teaching and I'm better at</v>

00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.680
<v Speaker 2>teaching a particular subject.</v>

00:59:59.680 --> 01:00:03.120
<v Speaker 2>It's simply a recognition that God has given me certain abilities, God</v>

01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:06.320
<v Speaker 2>has given you certain abilities, and they should be used to serve</v>

01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the church.</v>

01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:13.920
<v Speaker 2>And we tr well, we don't, but modern Christians try to weasel</v>

01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:14.240
<v Speaker 2>around</v>

01:00:15.120 --> 01:00:17.840
<v Speaker 2>everything in Scripture.</v>

01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Lutherans do this with some things.</v>

01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Thankfully we do not do it when it comes to justification, when</v>

01:00:24.080 --> 01:00:27.200
<v Speaker 2>it comes to sanctification, when it comes to these core issues</v>

01:00:28.160 --> 01:00:33.120
<v Speaker 2>that we got absolutely right five hundred years ago, and we have</v>

01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:37.120
<v Speaker 2>held correctly for five hundred years, which thanks be to God that</v>

01:00:37.120 --> 01:00:38.400
<v Speaker 2>we have those.</v>

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.560
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't excuse us when it comes to all these other</v>

01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:46.880
<v Speaker 2>issues, that if we don't get them wrong, we certainly don't get</v>

01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.160
<v Speaker 2>them right, and the CTCR and those who have crafted some of</v>

01:00:50.160 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the documents made in the sixties definitely got them wrong.</v>

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.880
<v Speaker 2>And so we have the injunctions in First Timothy that relate to</v>

01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:02.320
<v Speaker 2>creation, that relate to things how they are supposed to be in</v>

01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.760
<v Speaker 2>a Christian society, what Christians should attempt to create wherever they live.</v>

01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Well we also have first Corinthians, which addresses the church explicitly, so</v>

01:01:13.120 --> 01:01:17.200
<v Speaker 2>we have society generally and the church explicitly.</v>

01:01:17.200 --> 01:01:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Well what does First Corinthians say to women?</v>

01:01:20.240 --> 01:01:23.440
<v Speaker 2>As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep</v>

01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.040
<v Speaker 2>silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but</v>

01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:30.080
<v Speaker 2>should be in submission as the law also says.</v>

01:01:30.080 --> 01:01:33.440
<v Speaker 2>If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their</v>

01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.960
<v Speaker 2>husbands at home, for it is shameful for a woman to speak</v>

01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.200
<v Speaker 2>in church.</v>

01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:42.880
<v Speaker 2>This could not possibly be more clear.</v>

01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 2>It says that women are s to be silent in the churches.</v>

01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 2>It does not say that women are supposed to speak only if</v>

01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the pastor permits it or the pastor wants to have women lectors</v>

01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:56.640
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that.</v>

01:01:56.640 --> 01:02:00.160
<v Speaker 2>No, women are to be silent in the church.</v>

01:02:00.160 --> 01:02:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Women should not be heard in the church.</v>

01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And yes, that applies to the Bible study as well as to</v>

01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the service.</v>

01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.920
<v Speaker 2>As much as we'd like to think that, oh well, it's just</v>

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 2>no, don't weasel out of it by saying it's just the service.</v>

01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Where does it say just during the liturgy?</v>

01:02:16.240 --> 01:02:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Where does it say just during the service of the sacrament?</v>

01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Where does it say just during the service of the Word?</v>

01:02:20.640 --> 01:02:23.840
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't say that anywhere, because it says women are to be</v>

01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.000
<v Speaker 2>silent in the churches, period.</v>

01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 2>No exceptions.</v>

01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.240
<v Speaker 2>And now, of course, you'll have those who try to wiggle out</v>

01:02:30.240 --> 01:02:34.400
<v Speaker 2>of it by saying, Well a woman's not speaking if she writes</v>

01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:34.800
<v Speaker 2>a book.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she is.</v>

01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.760
<v Speaker 2>If I write something, and someone else reads it, I'm speaking in</v>

01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:40.720
<v Speaker 2>his head.</v>

01:02:40.720 --> 01:02:42.080
<v Speaker 2>That's what that is.</v>

01:02:42.080 --> 01:02:44.560
<v Speaker 2>So if I write a book and it is then used by</v>

01:02:44.560 --> 01:02:49.520
<v Speaker 2>a pastor to teach his sheep, I am teaching his sheep.</v>

01:02:49.520 --> 01:02:53.120
<v Speaker 2>I am exercising authority, and so if a woman writes a book</v>

01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and the pastor uses that in church, that woman is exercising authority</v>

01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 2>over those sheep and that pastor is facilitating it.</v>

01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.040
<v Speaker 2>So he is now participating in her sin, and making it worse,</v>

01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:08.320
<v Speaker 2>because of his office, and what he should be doing, and he</v>

01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 2>as a rightful head is going to be held to a higher</v>

01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.640
<v Speaker 2>standard. And pastors should tremble at the fact that yes, you have</v>

01:03:14.640 --> 01:03:16.640
<v Speaker 2>opted for this for the stricter judgment.</v>

01:03:16.640 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Maybe worry about that a little more.</v>

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And

01:03:20.560 --> 01:03:24.960
<v Speaker 3>that's a vital point is that this podcast is us speaking with</v>

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:28.640
<v Speaker 3>authority. We may be completely wrong, that doesn't mean we're not speaking</v>

01:03:28.640 --> 01:03:32.720
<v Speaker 3>authority aut Authoritatively, it means that we're sinning if we're in error</v>

01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.080
<v Speaker 3>because we're saying things that are lies.</v>

01:03:36.080 --> 01:03:40.000
<v Speaker 3>The example you gave of these pastors who say that they're excited</v>

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.520
<v Speaker 3>to take these books published by girls and teach them in their</v>

01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 3>congregations</v>

01:03:46.080 --> 01:03:50.080
<v Speaker 3>takes the other kind of authority and directly applies it.</v>

01:03:50.080 --> 01:03:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Because the crucial difference between you and I and a pastor is</v>

01:03:54.640 --> 01:03:56.320
<v Speaker 3>that we don't have a caller.</v>

01:03:56.320 --> 01:04:00.000
<v Speaker 3>When we speak, we do not bind consciences.</v>

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:01.360
<v Speaker 3>And we see this every day.</v>

01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Whenever we've said anything online for years, we get dogpiled by people</v>

01:04:05.520 --> 01:04:08.800
<v Speaker 3>who'd never give us the best construction We're told that we're not</v>

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:09.600
<v Speaker 3>brothers in Christ.</v>

01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:10.640
<v Speaker 3>We're told that we're evil.</v>

01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:16.080
<v Speaker 3>We're told every malign thing possible has been said about us directly</v>

01:04:16.640 --> 01:04:19.120
<v Speaker 3>for citing scripture.</v>

01:04:19.120 --> 01:04:21.520
<v Speaker 3>And frankly, that's okay.</v>

01:04:21.520 --> 01:04:25.920
<v Speaker 3>The point is that when I speak, when you speak, we don't</v>

01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.480
<v Speaker 3>bind anyone's conscience unless the Holy Spirit binds their conscience.</v>

01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Because although speaking has authority inherent to itself, it is the it</v>

01:04:35.520 --> 01:04:39.200
<v Speaker 3>that ends the moment that the person is done listening or reading,</v>

01:04:39.200 --> 01:04:42.320
<v Speaker 3>because they go and process it and they decide am I going</v>

01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:43.600
<v Speaker 3>to believe this or not?</v>

01:04:43.600 --> 01:04:45.600
<v Speaker 3>That's not the case when a pastor speaks.</v>

01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's not the case when a pastor sanctifies teaching that's usurping</v>

01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:53.600
<v Speaker 3>the order of creation by a girl doing it.</v>

01:04:53.600 --> 01:04:57.200
<v Speaker 3>When he does it, a pastor binds consciences.</v>

01:04:57.200 --> 01:05:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Anything a pastor says, whether he's wearing his collar or not, says</v>

01:05:00.720 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Speaker 3>this is what God says.</v>

01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.040
<v Speaker 3>It's implicit.</v>

01:05:03.040 --> 01:05:06.640
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of these guys are afraid of that because they</v>

01:05:06.640 --> 01:05:08.800
<v Speaker 3>know that the strict for judgment awaits.</v>

01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.440
<v Speaker 3>And so they just think, well, either, you know, it's on Twitter,</v>

01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.520
<v Speaker 3>so it's not really a big deal, or I'm not gonna say</v>

01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 3>what I think because I don't want to get in trouble or</v>

01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.480
<v Speaker 3>cause a cause a kerfuffle.</v>

01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:24.320
<v Speaker 3>When these pastors sanctify usurpation of God's order, they are sinning.</v>

01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:26.400
<v Speaker 3>They're sinning against their flock.</v>

01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.080
<v Speaker 3>They are sinning against God.</v>

01:05:28.080 --> 01:05:31.440
<v Speaker 3>They are acting in an idolatrous way in an evil way.</v>

01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Um I think as we're getting to the end of our time</v>

01:05:34.560 --> 01:05:37.680
<v Speaker 3>in this first episode, I want to point out that part of</v>

01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the reason that we chose the name Stone Choir is from the</v>

01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:47.120
<v Speaker 3>verse where Jesus describes how this very stones would cry out when</v>

01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:51.840
<v Speaker 3>the Pharisees implored him to silence his followers and The Pharisees were</v>

01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:56.880
<v Speaker 3>tired of Jesus' followers praising him and giving adoration to his word.</v>

01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:01.200
<v Speaker 3>And Jesus, understanding the vocation of a follower better than any man</v>

01:06:01.200 --> 01:06:04.560
<v Speaker 3>could, under also understands creation itself.</v>

01:06:04.560 --> 01:06:08.640
<v Speaker 3>And Jesus told the Pharisees, if I tell my people to stop</v>

01:06:08.640 --> 01:06:13.040
<v Speaker 3>confessing me and to stop praising me, it will be creation itself.</v>

01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:16.000
<v Speaker 3>It will be a stone whose vocation is to just sit there</v>

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:20.480
<v Speaker 3>silently and be a stone and do nothing, they would literally cry</v>

01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.720
<v Speaker 3>out, and that wasn't figurative, that wasn't metaphor any more than Balam's</v>

01:06:24.720 --> 01:06:27.840
<v Speaker 3>donkey speaking to warn him was true.</v>

01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:32.320
<v Speaker 3>The stones would literally cry out if every man went silent.</v>

01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 3>So the reason that we chose that name for this podcast is</v>

01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:37.840
<v Speaker 3>that you and I are laymen.</v>

01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:42.560
<v Speaker 3>We have no vocation to speak apart from that vocation of Christian</v>

01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Christian of Christian man uh of Christian man who has been given</v>

01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the aptitude and the discernment to read these things and to understand</v>

01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:55.120
<v Speaker 3>them and to explain them in a way that is accessible to</v>

01:06:55.120 --> 01:06:59.600
<v Speaker 3>any m many people and for all the pastors who accuse us</v>

01:06:59.600 --> 01:07:03.760
<v Speaker 3>of being cowards and being trolls and ogres and all sorts of</v>

01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:07.680
<v Speaker 3>other nonsense, the bottom line is this what we are saying is</v>

01:07:07.680 --> 01:07:09.440
<v Speaker 3>what scripture is saying.</v>

01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.320
<v Speaker 3>And I will tell Hans and all the other guys that the</v>

01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:16.560
<v Speaker 3>reason that that conversation started a few weeks ago was downstream from</v>

01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:18.880
<v Speaker 3>conversations that you and I have had.</v>

01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.960
<v Speaker 3>And our churches are full filled with men who agree with you</v>

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 3>and agree with me, Corey.</v>

01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 3>And we're not usurping.</v>

01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.000
<v Speaker 3>In our own congregations, we don't pick fights.</v>

01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.680
<v Speaker 3>We don't cause trouble.</v>

01:07:31.680 --> 01:07:34.000
<v Speaker 3>What we do is we step forward.</v>

01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:37.920
<v Speaker 3>So that in all these cases where we see girls usurping, whether</v>

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:42.800
<v Speaker 3>they deliberately usurp or not, when they're acting as ushers and lectors</v>

01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.800
<v Speaker 3>and all these other things, the men who agree with us, rather</v>

01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.440
<v Speaker 3>than arguing with those girls, they're stepping forward in the church.</v>

01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.960
<v Speaker 3>We are doing those things that men have advocated.</v>

01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.920
<v Speaker 3>And that's fundamentally the root of all of this.</v>

01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:02.400
<v Speaker 3>From start to finish, the only reason that a girl would ever</v>

01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.320
<v Speaker 3>write a book or try to be an elder or a lector</v>

01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:10.000
<v Speaker 3>or any of the other things that goes on is if a</v>

01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.160
<v Speaker 3>man has failed to do so.</v>

01:08:12.160 --> 01:08:16.720
<v Speaker 3>And by our publishing house, publishing all these books by girls, what</v>

01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.320
<v Speaker 3>the LCMS is saying is that there are no pastors to say</v>

01:08:20.320 --> 01:08:21.040
<v Speaker 3>these things.</v>

01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:22.640
<v Speaker 3>There are no pastors to teach.</v>

01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.960
<v Speaker 3>We need girls to teach our theology now.</v>

01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.320
<v Speaker 3>We need girls to teach anything because there are no men to</v>

01:08:28.320 --> 01:08:29.200
<v Speaker 3>do it.</v>

01:08:29.200 --> 01:08:31.440
<v Speaker 3>And that's simply not the case.</v>

01:08:31.440 --> 01:08:37.280
<v Speaker 3>This God has blessed Lutheranism and has blessed Christianity outside Lutheranism with</v>

01:08:37.280 --> 01:08:41.360
<v Speaker 3>faithful Christians who hear his word and obey it, even in the</v>

01:08:41.360 --> 01:08:44.880
<v Speaker 3>face of the most vicious and murderous slander.</v>

01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.720
<v Speaker 3>And we are speaking out, we started this podcast and we will</v>

01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:51.760
<v Speaker 3>continue to speak as long as pastors are unfaithful.</v>

01:08:52.080 --> 01:08:54.640
<v Speaker 3>As long as we are the only voices who are saying these</v>

01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.400
<v Speaker 3>things that need to be said, we will be here saying them.</v>

01:08:58.400 --> 01:09:02.560
<v Speaker 3>It was hilarious that earlier this evening Hans Feeney posted that thread</v>

01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.760
<v Speaker 3>to where he basically said, Yeah, for fifty years, all these problems</v>

01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:08.240
<v Speaker 3>have been going on in the church and no one said anything</v>

01:09:08.240 --> 01:09:11.040
<v Speaker 3>until these anonymous cowards started this fight.</v>

01:09:11.040 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 3>But they have a good point.</v>

01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Well that's exactly that's exactly why a lot of guys are anonymous.</v>

01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.520
<v Speaker 3>And that's why Corey and I are never going to pursue the</v>

01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:21.280
<v Speaker 3>pastoral office.</v>

01:09:21.280 --> 01:09:24.400
<v Speaker 3>Despite the fact that virtually every pastor both of us have ever</v>

01:09:24.400 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 3>talked to has in our first conversation with them, I've had pastors</v>

01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:31.680
<v Speaker 3>interrupt me after fifteen minutes saying, You should go to seminary.</v>

01:09:32.400 --> 01:09:34.800
<v Speaker 3>That's the kind of men that we are in person.</v>

01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.160
<v Speaker 3>And all these guys that think that we're stupid or we're evil</v>

01:09:38.320 --> 01:09:41.680
<v Speaker 3>or we're up to no good, not only are they being uncharitable</v>

01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.320
<v Speaker 3>and slanderous, but they're also just wrong.</v>

01:09:44.320 --> 01:09:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Um we will re remain laymen because laymen do not have a</v>

01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.000
<v Speaker 3>vocation to a congregation.</v>

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.440
<v Speaker 3>I I think one of the the greatest strengths and greatest weaknesses</v>

01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:59.760
<v Speaker 3>of the Missouri Synod is our congregational polity means that every pastor</v>

01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.200
<v Speaker 3>can just be head down with his own sheep and pretending these</v>

01:10:03.200 --> 01:10:05.200
<v Speaker 3>other things are not happening.</v>

01:10:05.200 --> 01:10:07.440
<v Speaker 3>But that's not the way the world works.</v>

01:10:08.160 --> 01:10:10.960
<v Speaker 3>especially when you have the internet and you have publishing houses and</v>

01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.920
<v Speaker 3>you have catalogs where error in any one place will rapidly propagate</v>

01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.440
<v Speaker 3>everywhere. And for every pastor that wants to pretend this stuff is</v>

01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:23.040
<v Speaker 3>not happening, his congregation is full of people who are lapping it</v>

01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:25.600
<v Speaker 3>up a hundred and sixty seven hours a week.</v>

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.120
<v Speaker 3>And that one hour a week that he's preaching faithfully isn't gonna</v>

01:10:29.120 --> 01:10:32.320
<v Speaker 3>cut it when Satan is catechizing them for the other hundred and</v>

01:10:32.320 --> 01:10:33.760
<v Speaker 3>sixty seven hours.</v>

01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.240
<v Speaker 3>So as much as we can do anything, we are going to</v>

01:10:36.240 --> 01:10:40.000
<v Speaker 3>speak faithfully and may God help us to reach those who are</v>

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.600
<v Speaker 3>willing to listen.</v>

01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:43.920
I

01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:48.240
<v Speaker 2>want to add a little bit of emphasis to the point that</v>

01:10:48.240 --> 01:10:53.360
<v Speaker 2>we both made about what is actually happening when a pastor or</v>

01:10:53.360 --> 01:10:58.480
<v Speaker 2>another teacher in the church uses materials written by a woman?</v>

01:10:58.480 --> 01:11:04.480
<v Speaker 2>And of course, that is the pastor permitting that woman to exercise</v>

01:11:04.480 --> 01:11:07.280
<v Speaker 2>authority through him.</v>

01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:08.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's worse than that.</v>

01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.120
<v Speaker 2>And the reason it's worse than that is because</v>

01:11:12.080 --> 01:11:14.000
<v Speaker 2>what is a pastor actually doing?</v>

01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.080
<v Speaker 2>What is a pastor supposed to be doing?</v>

01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:21.040
<v Speaker 2>A pastor speaks in the stead of Christ.</v>

01:11:21.040 --> 01:11:25.200
<v Speaker 2>When a pastor is up there speaking, he is speaking with the</v>

01:11:25.200 --> 01:11:26.320
<v Speaker 2>voice of God.</v>

01:11:26.320 --> 01:11:29.440
<v Speaker 2>At the very least, he is supposed to be speaking with the</v>

01:11:29.440 --> 01:11:30.160
<v Speaker 2>voice of God.</v>

01:11:30.160 --> 01:11:33.840
<v Speaker 2>So if a pastor is up there teaching and he is using</v>

01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:39.600
<v Speaker 2>materials produced by a girl, he is saying that a girl can</v>

01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:41.520
<v Speaker 2>speak with the voice of God.</v>

01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:44.240
<v Speaker 2>And that is simply not true.</v>

01:11:44.240 --> 01:11:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Men speak for God.</v>

01:11:46.240 --> 01:11:48.960
<v Speaker 2>God chose men to speak for him.</v>

01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.200
<v Speaker 2>God made men to speak for him.</v>

01:11:51.200 --> 01:11:53.840
<v Speaker 2>He did not make girls to do that.</v>

01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, in public, of course.</v>

01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.480
<v Speaker 2>A woman can teach her children at home.</v>

01:11:58.480 --> 01:12:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. She should do that.</v>

01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:02.320
<v Speaker 2>That is one of her duties.</v>

01:12:02.320 --> 01:12:03.360
<v Speaker 2>We recognize that.</v>

01:12:03.360 --> 01:12:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Because that is her sphere.</v>

01:12:06.160 --> 01:12:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And a mother can rightly exercise a sort of headship over her</v>

01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:14.880
<v Speaker 2>children, just as children can exercise a sort of headship over their</v>

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:19.040
<v Speaker 2>pets. There are different levels to the hierarchy, but when it comes</v>

01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:23.040
<v Speaker 2>to speaking in public, a woman cannot speak with the voice of</v>

01:12:23.040 --> 01:12:24.320
<v Speaker 2>God in public in that way.</v>

01:12:24.320 --> 01:12:26.720
<v Speaker 2>That is something that is restricted to men.</v>

01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:31.440
<v Speaker 2>And so the pastor is misrepresenting God ultimately is what he is</v>

01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:35.920
<v Speaker 2>doing. And that is a grievous sin, and that should absolutely terrify</v>

01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:40.720
<v Speaker 2>these men when they stand up and defend the indefensible.</v>

01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.760
<v Speaker 2>And I just have to say it is funny that they always</v>

01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:49.040
<v Speaker 2>go after the anonymity thing as if I've ever been anonymous.</v>

01:12:49.040 --> 01:12:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're they're just subtle with your name</v>

01:12:51.360 --> 01:12:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and face</v>

01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:54.720
<v Speaker 2>everywhere. I am very subtle about it, yes.</v>

01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:58.160
<v Speaker 2>They're just absolute hypocrites and and they know it.</v>

01:12:58.160 --> 01:13:00.560
<v Speaker 2>They're just insufferable hypocrites.</v>

01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.560
<v Speaker 3>To preemptively address one of the criticisms of the last point you</v>

01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:09.280
<v Speaker 3>m the argument has been made against the position that that has</v>

01:13:09.280 --> 01:13:13.120
<v Speaker 3>been advanced against disc against girls publishing books.</v>

01:13:13.120 --> 01:13:15.280
<v Speaker 3>Well what about the grocery store?</v>

01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.640
<v Speaker 3>the distinction in teaching is public.</v>

01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.200
<v Speaker 3>It is the one to many relationship.</v>

01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Every Christian, male or female, has a duty at all times.</v>

01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Young or old.</v>

01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:29.520
<v Speaker 3>You're five-year-old, whether it's a boy or a girl, has a duty</v>

01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.640
<v Speaker 3>to share his or her faith in Christ with anyone who will</v>

01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:35.360
<v Speaker 3>listen. But those are one-to-one relationships.</v>

01:13:35.360 --> 01:13:36.480
<v Speaker 3>They're interpersonal.</v>

01:13:36.480 --> 01:13:39.920
<v Speaker 3>If you're in the grocery store and you're a mother and you</v>

01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.520
<v Speaker 3>have an opportunity to share the gospel, you are commanded to do</v>

01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:44.560
<v Speaker 3>that by God.</v>

01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.640
<v Speaker 3>We are not speaking against that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because although that is a public place for legal purposes, that is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>not public preaching or teaching.</v>

01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:57.280
<v Speaker 3>When a woman shares her faith in Christ, she's sharing what she</v>

01:13:57.280 --> 01:14:03.280
<v Speaker 3>knows, hopefully faithfully, but that conversation should always end with let me</v>

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<v Speaker 3>introduce you to my pastor.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the part that's missing from this.</v>

01:14:08.480 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 3>and that's and that is where we too I like you and</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I between us have probably put I I know I personally put</v>

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<v Speaker 3>at least a hundred souls in Lutheran churches.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not taking credit like I did that.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that I have represented myself as a Lutheran online has</v>

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<v Speaker 3>caused well over a hundred men, women and children to join Lutheran</v>

01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:31.200
<v Speaker 3>congregations. And not once have I ever said, join the church of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>woe. What I have said is let me help you find a</v>

01:14:34.480 --> 01:14:39.680
<v Speaker 3>faithful pastor under whose care you and supervision you will be, and</v>

01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.960
<v Speaker 3>then go and be the last be the best layman that you</v>

01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:47.920
<v Speaker 3>can be in that congregation, where you will, you know, hopefully someday</v>

01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:50.880
<v Speaker 3>serve as an elder, where you can volunteer, where you can set</v>

01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:54.320
<v Speaker 3>a good example, where you can learn to catechize your own family</v>

01:14:54.320 --> 01:14:58.320
<v Speaker 3>faithfully So we are not usurpers of the church.</v>

01:14:58.320 --> 01:15:02.800
<v Speaker 3>We are attempting to enable the church in a way that is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>being battled by the very men who are sworn to God not</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to do so.</v>

01:15:08.240 --> 01:15:10.800
<v Speaker 3>And I I pray that we can once again be on the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>same side because</v>

01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:16.320
<v Speaker 3>we ultimately want everyone to hear the gospel.</v>

01:15:16.320 --> 01:15:20.080
<v Speaker 3>And as I mentioned earlier, a lot of the men that that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Corey and I have reached Reach through the work that we have</v>

01:15:23.120 --> 01:15:27.280
<v Speaker 3>done have been men, some of them were baptized, Israel's only there</v>

01:15:27.280 --> 01:15:30.960
<v Speaker 3>are several who've been baptized and catechized just in the last year</v>

01:15:31.280 --> 01:15:34.640
<v Speaker 3>because of me posting the very things that pastors say I'm going</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to go to hell for.</v>

01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:39.200
<v Speaker 3>And And now these men are attending every Sunday.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>They are excited uh about watching the Fort Wayne daily stream of</v>

01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:48.080
<v Speaker 3>services. They're reading their Bibles voraciously.</v>

01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:51.280
<v Speaker 3>They are working with their pastors.</v>

01:15:51.280 --> 01:15:55.680
<v Speaker 3>If that is the fruit of an evil tree, then I don't</v>

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<v Speaker 3>know what a good tree is supposed to bo look like.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it it's just ultimately we actually intend all of</v>

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<v Speaker 2>this for the good.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And</v>

01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:10.880
<v Speaker 2>there are those who those there are those who believe that we</v>

01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:14.720
<v Speaker 2>don't. And if they're going to believe that, then they can go</v>

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and believe that.</v>

01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:20.240
<v Speaker 2>But nothing we have said, nothing we have posted, nothing we've written,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>would give any indication that we desire anything other than what we</v>

01:16:24.160 --> 01:16:25.440
<v Speaker 2>have stated.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We want to get men back into the churches.</v>

01:16:30.240 --> 01:16:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And men are not going to come back into the churches as</v>

01:16:33.360 --> 01:16:39.200
<v Speaker 2>long as they are just hearing a watered-down 20-year-old version of what</v>

01:16:39.200 --> 01:16:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the culture tells them every day echoed from the pulpits.</v>

01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Because if we have pastors like that, why on earth would I</v>

01:16:47.120 --> 01:16:48.320
<v Speaker 2>go to church?</v>

01:16:48.320 --> 01:16:51.360
<v Speaker 2>It makes so much more sense to wake up late and go</v>

01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:54.640
<v Speaker 2>have brunch instead of going to a church where I'm just going</v>

01:16:54.640 --> 01:17:00.240
<v Speaker 2>to hear the same nonsense the culture tells me every single day.</v>

01:17:00.240 --> 01:17:04.640
<v Speaker 2>So instead, we want pastors to be faithful and actually teach what</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity is not this watered down culturally sensitive version of Christianity</v>

01:17:13.280 --> 01:17:17.920
<v Speaker 2>that is not.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>As this podcast goes along, I hope that um I hope that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>we'll reach the right people.</v>

01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.400
<v Speaker 3>And as we do this, we're gonna name names.</v>

01:17:26.400 --> 01:17:29.360
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna go after people by name for what they've said in</v>

01:17:29.360 --> 01:17:32.640
<v Speaker 3>public. And it is never done with malicious intent.</v>

01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:36.560
<v Speaker 3>It is not with the intent of destruction.</v>

01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:40.160
<v Speaker 3>It is done with the attempt of the intent of calling to</v>

01:17:40.160 --> 01:17:44.000
<v Speaker 3>repentance. Because as long as these errors persist</v>

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<v Speaker 3>men will be chased away.</v>

01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.680
<v Speaker 3>And one of the things that we have seen repeatedly is that</v>

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<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of pastors that think it's hilarious for the</v>

01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:56.160
<v Speaker 3>type of men who have come into their very own churches because</v>

01:17:56.160 --> 01:17:59.120
<v Speaker 3>of the things that we have said over the past few years,</v>

01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:00.960
<v Speaker 3>pastors want those guys to go to hell.</v>

01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.840
<v Speaker 3>They don't want them in their pulp in their in their pews.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I the</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you could not find a more different spirit dichotomy than what we</v>

01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:14.560
<v Speaker 3>see with the response to men who've hold opinions that are contrary</v>

01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.160
<v Speaker 3>to the world and in some cases as they are learning about</v>

01:18:18.160 --> 01:18:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Christianity are contrary to Christianity.</v>

01:18:21.280 --> 01:18:22.320
<v Speaker 3>they're ignorant.</v>

01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:26.400
<v Speaker 3>they've been raised outside the church by an evil world.</v>

01:18:26.400 --> 01:18:29.840
<v Speaker 3>We are trying to connect them with pastors who will be faithful</v>

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<v Speaker 3>to the teachings of God.</v>

01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:35.120
<v Speaker 3>And it's astonishing and depressing to me how difficult that is.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>But But the reason that we are speaking again it's not it's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>not to condemn just for the sake of condemnation.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It is because I want there to still be Lutheran churches in</v>

01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:48.880
<v Speaker 3>twenty years for us and for all of these people who are</v>

01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:49.840
<v Speaker 3>trying to come to God</v>

01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.760
<v Speaker 3>to find and to find faithful preaching.</v>

01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:57.120
<v Speaker 3>And on the project on the trajectory that we're on today, that's</v>

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be the case.</v>

01:18:58.240 --> 01:19:01.200
<v Speaker 3>There will not be a Christian church in 20 years.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And I know the pastors think that's not the case because of</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you know the gates of hell not prevailing and all that stuff.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's true.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Christianity will always be preserved, but God also promised there would be</v>

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<v Speaker 3>a remnant and God promised there would be a great apostasy, and</v>

01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.480
<v Speaker 3>God promised that many of those who cry out, Lord, Lord, do</v>

01:19:20.480 --> 01:19:24.000
<v Speaker 3>we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons?</v>

01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.840
<v Speaker 3>God will say to them, You workers of lawlessness, I never knew</v>

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<v Speaker 3>you We don't want that to happen to the pastors who hate</v>

01:19:31.200 --> 01:19:34.320
<v Speaker 3>us. We want them to repent and we want the people who</v>

01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:37.920
<v Speaker 3>want to come to our churches to find churches that are faithful</v>

01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.480
<v Speaker 3>to God so that we can all meet in heaven and not</v>

01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:44.080
<v Speaker 3>have any of these problems and we can live the perfect lives</v>

01:19:44.080 --> 01:19:46.880
<v Speaker 3>that God created us to live in the first place.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can sum up in large part, in addition to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>the stones crying out, we can sum up the purpose of this</v>

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<v Speaker 2>podcast with Ezekiel thirty three.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the</v>

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<v Speaker 2>house of Israel.</v>

01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them</v>

01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:12.000
<v Speaker 2>warning from me.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If I say to the wicked, O wicked one, you shall surely</v>

01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.480
<v Speaker 2>die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn</v>

01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:19.280
<v Speaker 2>from his way.</v>

01:20:19.280 --> 01:20:23.200
<v Speaker 2>That wicked person shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I</v>

01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:25.040
<v Speaker 2>will require at your hand.</v>

01:20:25.200 --> 01:20:28.160
<v Speaker 2>But if you warn the wicked to turn away from his way,</v>

01:20:28.160 --> 01:20:31.360
<v Speaker 2>and he does not turn from his way, that person shall die</v>

01:20:31.360 --> 01:20:35.600
<v Speaker 2>in his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what it comes down to.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have a choice.</v>

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:45.280
<v Speaker 2>If Christ's disciples, his followers, had been silent, the stones would have</v>

01:20:45.280 --> 01:20:47.440
<v Speaker 2>cried out, the stones would not have had a choice.</v>

01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:50.000
<v Speaker 2>The stones would have to have cried out.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been their duty to cry out.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's our duty to address these things, because as was stated</v>

01:20:56.400 --> 01:20:59.760
<v Speaker 2>previously, God has given us the ability to see them and the</v>

01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:01.120
<v Speaker 2>ability to address them.</v>

01:21:01.120 --> 01:21:03.200
<v Speaker 2>And so we do not have a choice.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't a a project because it's necessarily enjoyable or fun.</v>

01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:12.000
<v Speaker 2>This is something that has to be done.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Because there is a duty to do it, and because the consequences</v>

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<v Speaker 2>of not doing it are unthinkable.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Amen.</v>